Back in the interview chair, Gray takes you to the Arizona scene for an interview with _Zaphod_, owner and creator of Phoenix42 Creations ( https://www.instagram.com/phoenix42creations/ ).

They talk about “being a rope guy”, Taoist philosophy, creating consent with partners, how to create a more inclusive community, and more.

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