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and drink Happy Dad. Thank

1:13

you. So we got Don Lemon here. Now, we're going

1:15

to say a lot of respect for coming on because

1:17

I think people like to frame us

1:19

as like a right wing conservative podcast too.

1:21

But, I mean we're down to have anybody

1:24

from any side on and just have a

1:26

conversation too. I feel that way as well.

1:29

But no, yeah, shout out to you and respect

1:31

for you for coming on. But you don't even

1:33

consider yourself like... I don't care what your politics

1:35

are. As long as you're nice guys, I'm fine

1:38

with it. Totally fine. So

1:41

what's your day to day like now? Like

1:43

now that you're kind of like your like

1:45

your own boss, your content and your format is

1:47

a lot different than when you're with CNN. What's

1:51

it like now? It's a lot longer because

1:53

I'm the boss. So I have to do the business,

1:55

I have to keep the lights on and I have

1:57

to do the editorial and that's not as easy. as

2:00

people might think Before

2:03

I was just I just had to focus on the

2:05

editorial I have to focus on advertisers I didn't have

2:08

to focus on a budget and have to focus on

2:10

making payroll and have to focus on What

2:12

other podcasts I'm gonna go on like this.

2:14

Everything was just sort of arranged for me

2:17

So my days are long, you know, I went

2:19

to a business dinner last night. I got home at close

2:22

to midnight I did a

2:24

little research about your show. I woke

2:26

up at 8 And

2:29

started doing interviews. I had to had Boston Yusef on

2:31

this morning. I had a did a panel on on

2:34

the Trump trial and college

2:37

protests and then I did another Show

2:39

just talking about the week and then I'm gonna

2:41

do another live show These are all taped and

2:43

I'll do another live show at five o'clock Which

2:46

is just me talking to the audience you like it

2:48

really a show you like it more now or do

2:50

you like I? Do like it

2:52

because I get to talk to people

2:54

and I actually get to hear Directly

2:56

from the audience and before where I

2:58

was just sort of, you know pontificating

3:00

It was just a one-way conversation.

3:03

And so, you know, you read, you know Twitter

3:05

comments But you know, that's like everybody has it

3:07

so the arranged stuff like everything was just kind

3:09

of arranged for you Yeah, but I was just

3:11

you know, I would You

3:14

know, they'd have an editorial call in the morning.

3:16

We do was happening happening in the news and

3:18

then we would Decide on

3:20

guests and what we were gonna cover Yeah, and I would

3:22

say I like this this and this and then there was

3:24

a host of producers that just went off and did It

3:26

and then they handed me a packet and then I studied

3:28

it I'm just curious like how much stuff do you do

3:30

you think you ever like? had to

3:32

report on or did report on that you didn't

3:35

necessarily like fully Agree or side

3:37

with or like was like this is what I think

3:39

is right And you kind of just had to say

3:41

because you were part of like a network that was

3:43

sort of what I was then never Had to say

3:45

anything that I didn't believe in but as a reporter

3:47

as a journalist Like I said, I just had Basam

3:49

on and you know, he started like I

3:52

would ask him questions and he I think

3:55

sometimes the Interviewee thinks

3:57

that that is my stance

4:00

things that I believe that just because I'm asking

4:02

a question. So he

4:04

was, he's very pro-Palestinian. And so

4:07

I was asking questions

4:09

that someone who supported Jewish

4:12

people or Israel would ask to counter

4:14

him. And so he thinks that that's

4:16

my belief, but it's not. I'm simply

4:18

just playing devil's advocate to get

4:20

him to respond to something that, you know, I'm

4:23

going to say, well, you know, someone who is

4:25

supporting the Jewish side of this

4:27

may say this. And then, you know, so,

4:29

but you know, you

4:31

have to ask questions and it's not

4:33

really about your beliefs. It's just about

4:35

getting answers from people and trying to

4:38

inform the viewer or the listener or whomever. But

4:40

I never had to say, I was

4:42

never told to say anything when I

4:44

worked for CNN. So they don't, they don't have certain

4:46

like things that they want you to say. Well, I

4:49

mean, they said, don't say fuck. I mean, that kind

4:51

of thing. But okay. No, they never said, you mean

4:53

like, like the COVID stuff, it was

4:55

a popular thing for everyone to say, this is such

4:57

a bad thing. And then now it was kind of

4:59

people seem to be backtracking on that now. What do

5:01

you mean? The Vax thing and like how the efficacy

5:03

of it at the time and how Ivermectin wasn't something

5:06

that people should be taking and now Como's out talking

5:08

about like, oh, it's actually a good thing. And it

5:10

was a good thing, but we were told it wasn't.

5:12

You know what I'm saying? He was

5:14

just on PPD's podcast talking about that. Yeah, I don't and

5:17

you and him were really kind of like pro

5:19

anti, like, take them, take the thing, do

5:21

it. Well, I

5:24

was pro or anti, you

5:26

know, this whole argument about vaccines is a

5:28

little weird to me, because

5:30

I think people are Monday morning quarterbacking

5:32

the idea of vaccines. And they

5:36

mean my Monday morning. Because when

5:38

remember, this was a virus

5:40

that we hadn't seen before. It was a world

5:42

with was a once in a lifetime pandemic. And

5:45

people didn't know. And I

5:47

think what I think we have to give the

5:49

people who are in charge, including the Trump

5:51

administration, the little grace, because no one

5:53

knew how to deal with this. And

5:55

I think that our health officials and

5:57

our Politicians were doing

5:59

it. Doing what they thought

6:01

was best to save. The.

6:04

Most amount of people to keep people safe

6:06

and the keep them healthy. Do they make

6:08

mistakes along the way to Absolutely. but. That's.

6:10

Life. And so you know, I think

6:13

I will. I thought that people should

6:15

be doing. What

6:17

would? instead of being selfish for

6:19

themselves? They. Should have. They should

6:21

be doing a we should have been

6:23

doing what was best for our fellow

6:25

man. I have on a relative who

6:27

has a compromised immune system. So

6:29

whether I believe in wearing a mask or not

6:31

around that person, I'm going to wear a mask.

6:33

I'm not going to be selfish. The masks are

6:36

stupid. I'm not gonna do it because I am

6:38

not selfish and I you know I love that

6:40

person. I don't know if the first you know

6:42

I'm I'm standing next to the grocery store or

6:44

I'm in the post office. I don't know if

6:46

they have a compromised immune system. I have someone

6:48

who's on my staff is still wears a mask

6:51

and someone came into why the fuck is she

6:53

wearing a mask and I had to tell that

6:55

person she has lupus. And

6:57

so it it's she. Got.

6:59

Anything a cold or anything, it's gonna

7:02

affect her in a detriment away. So

7:04

I think the people who are questioning

7:06

the use of masks even in the

7:08

moment we're being a bit selfish. And

7:11

even vaccines vaccines are not new. I

7:13

mean I grew up. Having

7:15

to get all kinds of vaccines in all

7:17

kinds of shots. because I live in a

7:19

country where we. Were

7:21

we have to? Associate

7:24

with a lot of people. In. It's

7:26

really about keeping the most amount of people safe.

7:29

And. Not just ourselves, yeah, but went to

7:31

some of those accused you're speaking to or

7:33

they've had longer durations, have recreated like immigrated

7:35

for a longer time, been like they're called

7:38

vaccine came out. it was like a if

7:40

you're now. Take. It. And

7:42

an ad to give like more and more

7:44

shots And more more shots to keep advocacy.

7:46

I get a flu shot every year. Yeah,

7:49

right, You might let investors are mandated, right?

7:51

arm know it's not mandated put a flu shot is

7:53

not part of a pandemic if we had a flu

7:55

pandemic than i'm sure they would mandate flu shots i

7:58

guess the question goes back to like I

8:00

listened to the Como speak and listen to like a

8:02

lot of what people are talking about now saying that

8:05

like they knew that there was other methods that people

8:07

could have done like Ivermectin was one of them that

8:09

I don't think they knew that Ivermectin Ivermectin was not

8:11

a COVID was not meant for

8:13

COVID has not been tested for COVID. And so people

8:15

pushing back on Ivermectin, and I think it was the

8:17

right thing to do because there

8:19

was no medical evidence that I that Ivermectin

8:23

was could help save

8:25

people from getting COVID or prevent them

8:27

from getting COVID or had any effect

8:29

on the COVID-19 vaccine. So what

8:32

our health officials what I believe in medicine, I believe

8:34

in science, and I believe that my government is looking

8:36

out for me and trying to do the best for

8:38

me. And if my government is telling me a

8:41

vaccine that was actually that

8:44

Donald Trump helped to, you

8:46

know, to facilitate, and

8:49

Donald Trump was not a candidate that I

8:51

really, you know, respected, even even with him

8:53

I thought that my I believe

8:55

that my government is looking out for me. And

8:58

so if scientists if doctors, if

9:00

virologists are telling me that this

9:02

vaccine is safe, and that

9:05

there is and that Ivermectin has no

9:07

effect on the COVID vaccine, then I'm

9:09

gonna believe on the COVID vaccine or

9:11

the COVID virus vaccine on

9:13

the vaccine, on COVID. And then I'm not

9:15

gonna I'm gonna believe in the science

9:17

and I'm gonna believe in the doctors, which is fine. But

9:20

shouldn't other people have the right to like not take the

9:22

vaccine and not like for something in

9:24

the body that they don't know. American you have the

9:26

right to do that. But it But it seemed at

9:28

the time like media was really like shaming people up.

9:30

Like if you didn't get a vaccine, like it's your

9:32

fault. Yeah, I don't think well, I

9:34

don't know if the media was shaming people. I think

9:36

that I think what they I think what I think

9:38

people were saying was, I think

9:41

people were being selfish about that. You

9:43

don't get the vaccine and don't get the vaccine, but don't

9:45

expect to be able to do and

9:47

go places where people got the vaccine and

9:49

like make a living right. Everybody's

9:52

working from home. No, no, people weren't at work.

9:54

I mean, you couldn't go to school. You get the vaccine.

9:56

No, I didn't get it. I didn't get it. No, I

9:58

got the vaccine. But if I if someone in my office

10:00

didn't want to get the vaccine, then I would tell them to

10:02

work from home. Did you get a vaccine card too? Yeah. I

10:05

paid $2,000 for a fake one. That's just, I

10:08

got the scam. No, but seriously, I

10:10

thought, it's fine. If you don't want to

10:12

get the vaccine, then that's fine. If I

10:14

didn't get the vaccine as a kid growing up, I

10:16

couldn't go to school. But from your perspective, like all

10:18

like this shit aside, couldn't you have seen that the

10:21

whole sort of like legacy media was like,

10:23

you need this? And to a lot of

10:25

people was like, okay, is this

10:27

just about protecting and helping people? Or

10:30

is this about big pharma and big business and money? I

10:32

believe that's conspiracy theory. And I know the big

10:34

pharma and I get all of that, but they're

10:36

all so related there. But

10:38

they were making so much money on that too, right?

10:40

Fine. But we were in the middle

10:43

of something that nobody knew about. Something

10:45

that was new that was killing people. I remember

10:47

when I worked for NBC and we did

10:49

the SARS vaccine. I mean, the

10:51

SARS pandemic and

10:54

no one knew. We were leaving

10:56

equipment at people's homes because we were

10:58

afraid of being infected. No

11:01

one knew. And so I

11:03

think people were trying to do what

11:05

was best for their fellow man, the

11:08

best for the American public. And that's

11:11

my honest belief. I don't think the

11:13

media was trying to push. I think

11:15

the media was putting out what the

11:17

government and what our officials were telling

11:19

us what was good to do. There

11:21

was a point where we were wiping

11:23

mail and leaving it so that the germs would go away.

11:25

We would take our clothes off. And when we got into

11:27

the house and throwing in the washing machine and

11:29

jumping in the shower, nobody knew. So

11:32

like, give us, cut it some slack. Like,

11:34

nobody's, I don't think everybody's out to get

11:37

everybody. Anyways, I'll- I just think

11:39

there was a lot of evidence too that like, it

11:41

wasn't really affecting young people. And those like, you know, if

11:43

you did your own research, like for me, when I looked

11:45

into it, I was like, I don't know

11:47

if I'm at risk as much. Like, I

11:49

don't think I need to get the vaccine. And

11:52

that's why I chose not to get it. I didn't want to

11:54

get a shot when I was a child because I was a-

11:56

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12:09

whitewash restrictions apply. This is amy.

12:11

Poehler, my new movie Disney and Pixar as

12:14

Inside Out Here is coming to theaters June

12:16

fourteenth and it's made me feel. Joy

12:18

and sadness. And anger Heavily

12:20

sinister. I think a little fear.

12:24

Really? I'm assuming these

12:26

new mm since I anxiety, embarrassment

12:28

and me and on we. Is

12:31

what to call the boredom. Okay that

12:33

long as we're finity to feel everything.

12:35

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12:37

out she's. Only in theaters to fourteen.

12:40

Get tickets Now for the meters. But.

12:42

My parents told me I needed to get shot in order

12:45

to go to school. But. Those and could be like

12:47

good for you to. Earbud. Bad thing I

12:49

think that backers producing a public license. Good

12:51

for people who is especially Astra Zeneca. I

12:53

think police came and it was like yo

12:55

were taken soft the market because it's so

12:57

zoc she's so me Problems related to this.

13:00

This. Problems related to the drink that you have.

13:02

I'm sure that you know some people may be

13:04

allergic to that but relevant but in a time

13:07

where like you couldn't were be going to go

13:09

to school you couldn't I own a gym and

13:11

I couldn't at my gym open him and a

13:13

gym and in that sir and situation where as

13:15

is so me other benefits and health benefits are

13:18

actually likes combating the things that also the vaccine

13:20

were trying to help with this you could do

13:22

naturally that Well now saying oh this is actually

13:24

really beneficial in people. Should have been able to

13:26

do this all time. It. Is

13:28

is kind of like a weird. We're just gonna

13:30

say our government cares about a so much that

13:33

like we're going out dismiss all of this sort

13:35

of stuff that is really also beneficial to us

13:37

and disco. Take this thing as a for profit

13:39

business. it seems a little this January one sorry

13:41

the your business and operate a mean that that

13:43

idiot I did I stayed open or okay I

13:45

brought out there were people who lost their businesses

13:47

that hundred percent a whole different thing. I'm not.

13:49

I'm not advocating for anybody to lose. yeah business.

13:52

But. We have to remember guys,

13:54

is not just about here in America.

13:56

Yeah, higher world and. Was. shut

13:59

down there's actually place that weren't shut down. It had

14:01

like a had a very good outcome

14:03

with COVID. Yes, but for the most part, the

14:05

entire world was shut down. We did not go

14:07

to work for 14 months. I

14:10

drove two hours to work in

14:12

two hours back. Yeah, because I was the only

14:14

one coming into work into the building. I

14:17

had to go in, you know, from Long Island

14:19

into the building. That was a sacrifice that I

14:21

made. Everybody has to make sacrifices at some point.

14:24

And it's unfortunate that, you know, there are

14:26

consequences to that. It's awful. Did I want

14:28

to not see my family and my mother

14:30

for for two years? No, but

14:33

I also did not want my mother traveling

14:35

on a plane or me going and because

14:38

I have to work and be around people

14:40

and, you know, affect her

14:42

health possibly. She's an 80 year old woman.

14:44

So I was looking out for

14:47

my fellow citizen, and

14:49

I could have lost my job. People could have,

14:51

you know, maybe people weren't going to watch the

14:54

news anymore. People were upset about, you know, us

14:56

talking about the vaccine. There are consequences for everything.

14:58

But I just think it's and I respect how

15:00

you guys feel about the vaccine. But you're asking

15:02

me my opinion. I think

15:04

people are, you know, looking hindsight

15:06

is 2020. We did not know. I

15:09

think a lot of I think a lot of people

15:11

did know just like you couldn't you if you said

15:13

the other people thought they know, but everybody is not

15:15

doctors and everybody's not a scientist and everybody's not a

15:17

virologist. And so listen to the

15:20

scientists and the doctors and the virologists

15:22

and maybe the science changes over time

15:24

or what they your knowledge of the

15:26

vaccine or your knowledge of the disease

15:28

or the virus changes over time. Yeah, it

15:30

evolves as you learn more. And

15:33

so I just don't think it's fair to talk shit

15:35

about people who were trying to help people. I just

15:37

don't I don't agree with that. I think what was

15:39

weird though about the whole situation is like, even if

15:42

you did have your own opinion on it, too, like

15:44

even on social media, like your posts would get deleted.

15:46

And that's

15:49

what made the whole COVID situation feel fishy.

15:51

And it felt like a form of

15:53

control. Well, I think was that posts

15:55

were getting deleted, or that and that

15:57

was like information thing. Yeah, people are spreading

16:00

misinformation and lies. I define misinformation. I think

16:02

people look, I believe in freedom of speech.

16:04

But I think if people are actively spreading

16:06

misinformation, it's going to hurt people. And if

16:08

it's going to put their lives or safety

16:10

and their health at risk, then

16:13

I think there should it should be corrected. I

16:15

mean, it's just so impossible to define misinformation at

16:17

such an early stage of a virus to like

16:20

who decides what's misinformation based on internet post

16:22

or somebody's

16:24

health. But it's

16:26

gonna why were gyms closed now? Jim's

16:29

like the Mecca of like working on your house. Well,

16:33

Jim is like the Mecca people

16:35

like that's the people and

16:38

pushing out and it spread it was

16:40

airborne. Right? I was proven wrong

16:42

too. Yeah, it wasn't actually. That's

16:44

what they thought. But that's what they thought. You're

16:46

you're proving my point. You're saying that was proven

16:48

wrong. But in that moment, and that's by the

16:50

same doctors that we were listening to, but we

16:52

didn't know that there was a lot of there

16:54

was a lot of virologists and doctors. The doctors

16:56

didn't know what nobody knew before

16:58

nobody knew about cars before there were cars. But there

17:00

were a lot of things pretty fair though. It's fair,

17:03

but there were a lot of virologists and doctors who

17:05

were actually opposite of what

17:07

mainstream was touting. That's all shut

17:09

down. That's all true. But

17:11

still, so if you have 10 doctors saying, Yo, this

17:13

is a great thing. You have 10 docs saying this

17:15

is a terrible thing, then like, why are we only

17:18

choosing to like push the narrative? It's a great thing.

17:20

And you need to do it because you do you

17:22

go where the majority of the science is pushing you

17:24

to go. That's what you

17:26

do. I just I

17:28

don't I honestly guys I don't get it. Yeah,

17:31

I don't get it. Which part? I don't get

17:33

it because I do you think that I liked

17:35

wearing a mask? Do you think that I like

17:37

not seeing my family? Do you think that I

17:39

like being cooped up in my house? Nobody liked

17:41

it. But I need to just

17:43

say like, everybody was wrong. And, and

17:45

our government was doing this and the media is doing

17:48

that. I just think it's like, it's

17:50

internet brain. Yeah, it's like, I think a lot of

17:52

people just thought it was a form of control, though.

17:54

Yeah. And I guess that's where that's our only disagreement

17:56

is like, like you said, you trust the government. And

17:59

you think they're looking out for And a lot of people

18:01

think the exact opposite. I don't think the government is

18:03

always looking out for me. But I think when we're

18:05

in the middle of a situation where there is a

18:07

worldwide pandemic where lives are on the line, I think

18:09

the government is going to look out for us. I

18:11

think they weren't looking out for me. That sounds like

18:13

when the most money could be made. In

18:16

my opinion. I don't believe in that. I

18:19

don't believe that this was about money. Drug companies

18:21

want to make money, but I don't think that telling

18:24

people to wear masks and get a vaccine. Isn't it so

18:26

easy though, if those people are just lobbying the government, saying

18:28

like, yo, make everyone take the vaccine. It's

18:32

like an easy money trail, honestly. I think that's massive.

18:35

That's like a two step money trail. I

18:38

think there's, I just don't agree with you on that

18:40

whole thing. I'm sorry. I know. That's

18:43

fine. That's fine. You can keep questioning me.

18:46

No, I don't mind it. I'm not upset. Yeah,

18:48

I just don't agree with you. So let's switch

18:50

a little bit. Especially for someone like me. Like

18:52

I'm a minority. I'm like gay man. Like I

18:54

shouldn't trust the government. Like, you know,

18:56

people aren't necessarily looking out for me. There was a

18:58

time when I, people thought I, the

19:00

government thought I couldn't get married. So,

19:02

you know, I have enough confidence

19:04

though, in the American system, especially

19:08

to, you know, and again, in

19:10

the middle of something that no one

19:12

had ever heard of, that

19:14

I have enough confidence that my government is leading me in

19:16

the right direction. If my government wants to make money, then

19:18

they're not going to want to kill me because I'm not

19:21

going to be able to spend money. So

19:23

I guess that's just like Don's philosophy is he's like, he

19:25

trusts the government and a lot of people just don't. Yeah.

19:28

Which makes sense. Well, because then they get the

19:30

conversation about like the, all the other ancillary damage

19:33

that happened because of just like, forgoing people's jobs

19:35

and like all the other stuff that came with

19:37

like, okay, if I'm going to not take the

19:39

vaccine, because I'm, I'm more siding with this other

19:42

scientists or this other virologist on like, what

19:44

is actually working to prevent COVID or to

19:46

make my symptoms better. I'm thinking about this

19:49

more natural remedy or, or

19:51

herd immunity. And so this just like, I'm

19:53

going to take this thing because blindly my government tells me to

19:56

do it. And what's that, what they know at the time, I

19:58

guess the question goes to be like, well, what. about

20:00

all the other lives that like it really detrimentally

20:02

affected that we're just saying this is not as

20:04

important because we're so focused on these other lives

20:06

that are, you know, like where like

20:08

that was my my biggest beef when like personally

20:10

was like, okay, we're gonna shut down a gym,

20:12

we're gonna shut down these businesses. But like Costco down

20:15

the streets open, all these other places are open and

20:17

it's okay. And this place is not

20:19

okay. And you can't go here or do this or do

20:21

that. And like other people's like, kids

20:23

in school, for example, like, they're not going to

20:25

school, we're fucking up the education thing even more.

20:28

It's like all these other things are gonna have

20:30

all this trickle down effect and damage that we're

20:32

just saying, fuck all that. Let's just focus on

20:34

this right now. And it's like, our

20:37

focus, where the point was on just

20:39

the vaccine, take the vaccine, and this is the

20:41

only way and everything else is like smoke and

20:43

mirrors or conspiracy, for better words, it

20:45

just seemed like it doesn't it

20:47

that doesn't feel right. Because then we go

20:49

none of this matters. Only this matters. Do

20:52

this because we set it. And then you have everyone

20:54

parodying the same shit. Yeah, I

20:56

think we're working on the same thing. They're like, no

20:58

one knew how to handle the situation. I get it.

21:00

But but at the same time, you're right. You're gonna

21:02

get this same response every time. There was it was social

21:05

distancing. It was masks. It was hand

21:07

sanitizer. I remember it all affected. It was

21:09

all of that stuff. So it wasn't just

21:11

like focusing on a vaccine. Yeah. Yeah,

21:14

it was focusing on controls, what was focusing on and

21:16

it wasn't it wasn't allowing people to go, oh, I

21:18

can say I believe this you have to have control

21:20

of our society. What do you think the cops are?

21:23

That's about control. What do you think laws are? That's

21:25

about control? What do you think the speed limit

21:27

is? It's about control. What do you think like

21:29

having insurance for your car is? That's about control.

21:31

I'm having a driver's license. That's about control. Like

21:33

you have to have levels

21:35

of levers for

21:37

control in your society or you

21:39

have a society that

21:41

is chaos. Yeah, it's chaos.

21:44

Right. But but where are we

21:46

deciding like what life is mattering more? How

21:49

do we just how do we determine that? Well, for

21:51

me, the lives that mattered more during

21:54

COVID were the lives that were

21:56

compromised in the people who had who had

21:59

the better chance of getting sick

22:01

like frontline workers and healthcare workers

22:03

and I didn't

22:05

know you know babies we didn't know whatever or

22:07

people who have compromised immune systems so I'm a

22:10

healthy person you're a healthy person right okay I'm

22:12

healthy but I don't

22:14

want to make somebody else unhealthy because if

22:16

I got the vaccine if I got the

22:18

virus then I you know I'll probably live

22:20

and survive but I don't know if my 80

22:22

year old mother's going to survive so I'm going

22:24

to wear a mask I'm going

22:27

to social distance I'm going to get

22:29

a vaccine or a shot that can

22:31

help prevent the spread of it or

22:33

help me from getting it and

22:35

so that's what I did and I think

22:37

that people should respect that and

22:39

just like I respect you're right if you didn't want to

22:42

do that you don't want to get a vaccine then don't

22:44

get a vaccine but I think that

22:46

you have to have control or there's

22:50

chaos as he said yeah yeah

22:52

I think people weren't saying that at the time but um

22:55

yeah no I just think like I said I think a

22:57

lot of people just don't trust the government like you know

22:59

you think that there's no level above the government or you

23:02

don't think that like I just come here that I'll always

23:04

trust the government but I'm to sit in that situation where

23:07

there is a worldwide pandemic and that we didn't

23:09

know what in general was going on I trust

23:11

that my government was looking out for me I

23:14

would hope that my government in general though you

23:16

don't think there's like another layer above the government

23:18

that's like big pharma and the military industrial compacts

23:20

that play like a huge role in the way

23:22

things are done yeah well I mean you're talking

23:25

about making money right yeah yeah that's

23:27

what Americans that's what we're about capitalism

23:29

you're talking about capitalism yeah

23:32

we live in a capitalistic society everybody's going

23:34

to make money I mean you have the

23:36

spot by using the government they want to

23:38

force they're selling that they have that to

23:40

make money you're on you have a podcast

23:42

right but that's that's using the government to

23:44

force people to do something in order

23:46

for a company to make money government forces you to

23:48

do things in every single day of your life you've

23:50

got a utility bill you have to pay your taxes

23:53

you have to get a driver's license but don't like

23:55

to get insurance but what I

23:57

don't think it makes sense I think it makes sense I

23:59

don't think it makes sense. You know, I

24:01

do think it makes sense. But I'm just playing

24:03

you because no, but I don't believe that I

24:05

should have why should I have to go every

24:08

four or six or eight years and pay for

24:10

a driver's license and whatever, just give the government

24:12

my money or whatever it is, why should I

24:14

have to pay taxes on you

24:16

know, if I don't want to pay taxes, because I want

24:18

my money and I want to be selfish, and I don't

24:20

want to help out. So I can say the same thing

24:22

about a lot of data to that. Well,

24:25

sure, but we still pay them. Yeah. And we

24:27

get jailed if we don't, there

24:29

are consequences. Yeah. Yeah,

24:31

I think I think that there was one thing

24:33

about COVID to me, it showed how powerful the

24:35

media was, though. You thought the media was powerful?

24:37

Yeah, for sure. I'd

24:40

like to hear about that. Well, how do you get

24:43

I thought we were that powerful. I really didn't. I

24:45

mean, just not even just traditional media, but social media,

24:47

too. I mean, I think that, for

24:49

me, what it showed is whatever the

24:52

government, or, you know, same thing, they were

24:54

deleting stuff off social media, whatever

24:56

was on our phones at that time, we we

24:58

were believing. Yeah, that was the thing like we

25:00

just defacto. That was the most powerful the media.

25:03

Yeah, I agree with that. Because we obviously, you

25:05

obviously didn't believe the media. But I'm

25:07

saying a lot of people did look what happened. Like, we

25:09

look at our phones and we say stay inside, don't go outside,

25:12

lock yourself in your door, or lock

25:14

yourself in your house, everyone does it. And then the second

25:16

you look at your phone, and everyone says, Okay, you can

25:18

take the masks off. Everyone takes the mask off. It's

25:21

just I mean, whether it

25:23

was true or not, even if it was

25:25

true, it did show me how powerful like

25:27

social media and media was because because like,

25:29

for example, obviously, like you were able to

25:31

get on CNN or whatever and talk about

25:33

whatever you were supposed to talk about or

25:35

whatever you wanted to talk about, in a

25:37

sense, but from our perspective, I've been doing

25:39

content for like 14 years now. And you

25:42

literally couldn't say something that was opposite of

25:44

what was being said over here. Whereas

25:46

and over here as in what you were talking

25:48

about, say, what do you mean on social media?

25:50

Social media, like you couldn't say you'll get your

25:52

account deleted, you couldn't say like the vaccine is

25:54

like don't take the vaccine, you had to say

25:57

what they were saying. Otherwise, you were getting penalized

25:59

you were getting hidden, you were getting deleted,

26:01

you couldn't speak opposite of what was being

26:03

spoken on legacy and main. If you even

26:05

put the word COVID, it will

26:07

take down. Look, I didn't work in social media.

26:09

But I do know that there was

26:12

an effort and I think there was, it was

26:15

the right thing to do is to try

26:17

to limit the spread of

26:19

misinformation. And again,

26:23

this was an unusual time

26:26

in the entire world. And

26:28

so we don't live in that time

26:30

now. And things have eased up, you

26:33

can say whatever, pretty much whatever

26:35

you want to say on social media within, you

26:38

know, within reason. So, you know,

26:40

I just think that we're taking this really

26:42

fucking unusual time that

26:45

happens. It will never happen probably in

26:48

either of our number of our lifetime. I

26:51

think it's important to talk about. Yes, it is important

26:53

to talk about. But I just think that when

26:55

you when you think about it, you have to

26:57

think, I don't know, we nobody knew.

26:59

And it's but

27:02

it is normal to be upset.

27:04

It is normal for you to have

27:06

resentment about it. It is normal to for people

27:08

to have questions about it.

27:10

It's normal for people to feel like, you know

27:12

what, my kid lost out on education and is

27:15

having, you know, trouble relating to

27:17

other people because we kept them home and and maybe

27:19

we shouldn't have but the thing is maybe we shouldn't

27:21

have but we didn't know. Yeah,

27:25

okay. I hate it. I hate that

27:27

we didn't know like some people knew and they

27:29

were silent. But he's trying to

27:31

get a fighter. Over

27:36

talking about fucking COVID bro. Like, okay,

27:38

I feel like this is how

27:40

I feel. It's over. Yeah,

27:42

it's what's done. What's next? Yeah, it's hard.

27:44

Like, that's true. It's just hard to just

27:46

I can accept it because I've accepted you

27:48

should put on the pass. You've opened a

27:50

new gym since then. It's yes, but it's

27:53

not about that. It's about like the people

27:55

like their whole lives are ruined that you can't just

27:57

go hey, it's over. Sorry, it's different now. Yeah, but

27:59

people people's lives are ruined for smoking hot. People's

28:01

lives are ruined for selling weed. And now it's

28:04

legal and people are making millions of dollars. Yeah,

28:06

but what you're talking about smoking by selling weed

28:08

verse like you have to take this vaccine or

28:10

you can't go to school you have to take

28:12

this vaccine or you can't work and all I'm

28:14

telling you is that Yeah, that

28:16

happened. That's reality.

28:19

We cannot go back. But that's not the

28:21

same as saying someone's we should move on.

28:24

That's like, no, I'm not saying that I'm

28:26

saying there are people who are we want

28:28

to go to prison. Yeah, no, I think

28:30

there are people who are sitting in prison

28:32

now, right for smoking marijuana or selling marijuana,

28:34

right? And now everyone thanks. Smoking marijuana. Yeah.

28:36

And making gazillions of dollars

28:38

selling it legally and there are people who

28:41

are sitting in prison. I thought the same

28:43

thing that's it's fucked up. Kamala Harris is

28:45

a big weed, weed jailer. That's it.

28:47

I know whatever. Since you said it. Yeah.

28:49

But there are a lot of people who

28:51

are wait, why? No, Kamala Harris is a

28:53

former she's a former prosecutor and you're saying

28:55

that she's went after a lot of people

28:58

from marijuana. Yeah, marijuana. Fuck out of here.

29:00

That's fucking crazy, bro. What

29:02

do you think? What do you think about that? Since you

29:05

brought weed up? I would hang up. I'm trying to help

29:07

you out. Bullshit. Do I smoke weed? I know I used

29:09

to I have nothing else. I don't I would smoke weed.

29:11

I used to smoke weed. I used to do edibles. Yeah,

29:13

I just don't like the way it makes me feel I

29:15

get anxious. I would rather I get anxious. I go inside

29:17

of my head too much. I can't really remember shit and get

29:20

older. My memory is already going. And

29:22

I would prefer to do mushrooms. Yeah.

29:24

Well, here we go. There we go. You guys. Now

29:26

we're now we're homies

29:30

now. What do you think about all the you

29:33

said you did podcast before this everything going

29:35

on at Columbia UCLA campus is kind of

29:38

getting taken over? Doesn't

29:40

seem very broad questions. Well, I mean, it doesn't

29:42

seem like really a pro like people want to

29:44

say you've the right with the first amendments and

29:47

a protest but it's like an encampment. They're kind

29:49

of literally camping on college campuses

29:51

closing down buildings like

29:53

getting a little out of hand, taking

29:56

down the American flag, raising

29:58

the Palestinian flag like it just seen like there's

30:00

no order there. Well,

30:04

that's fucked up. Again, that's a broad question

30:06

because as you know, do you know, you

30:08

guys know who Bassem Yousaf is, right? No.

30:11

He is Palestinian. He's Palestinian, I forget

30:13

what he is, but he's Arab and

30:16

he is very

30:18

pro-Palestinian. He has family

30:20

members in Gaza and he's a

30:23

comedian and became

30:25

very outspoken after this started happening at this

30:27

like interview with Piers Morgan that went by

30:30

blah, blah, blah, blah. So if

30:32

you listen to him, you hear a certain perspective

30:34

and then as I was, I told you, I

30:36

was at this work dinner last night and I

30:38

was sat next to a rabbi and if you

30:40

listen to the rabbi, it's completely different perspective. So

30:42

I think it was like people

30:45

talking over each other. And

30:47

so my advice to

30:50

the rabbi asked me my advice last night. My

30:52

advice to the rabbi was that you

30:55

can't tell people

30:57

they're stupid, that they

30:59

don't know their history, especially kids

31:01

who are going to higher institutions of learning

31:03

so that they can learn how to critically

31:06

think and they are testing the

31:08

bounds of first amendment and their freedom of

31:10

expression. You can't tell them they're stupid because

31:12

then you're never

31:14

going to get anywhere with them. Yeah. Do you still

31:16

think they're protected by the first amendment? Well,

31:18

no, that's another question. And

31:20

so for the

31:22

other side, a similar

31:25

thing, like you can't

31:27

tell people, you know,

31:29

it's a genocide and so whatever, those

31:31

are trigger words. I just think

31:33

they're talking over each other and this is a conflict

31:36

that neither of us are going to solve

31:38

and it's been happening for centuries and it's

31:40

not going to happen over the next few

31:43

weeks or the next few months. Now, the

31:45

whole first amendment thing, I

31:49

believe that this has gone beyond the first

31:51

amendment. Yeah. The first amendment is actually for

31:53

governments and for public

31:56

institutions. These are public institutions and

31:58

they have to, or these are private institutions, most of

32:01

them, and they don't have to abide by that,

32:03

by the First Amendment. They can

32:05

abide by the spirit of the First Amendment if

32:08

they want to, but also they have the right

32:10

to be able to make sure that their university

32:13

and their business is operating, that kids

32:15

are in class, that

32:18

they're doing what they're supposed to be doing

32:20

as educators and people who are tasked with

32:22

making sure that people on these campuses are

32:24

safe. Should people be able to protest? Absolutely.

32:27

It's the bedrock of our

32:30

constitution in America that we are able to

32:32

have our freedom of expression. Does it mean

32:34

that you have to agree with someone?

32:36

That's what the First Amendment is for. It's for

32:38

speech that you disagree with. So

32:42

I don't like the violence. I don't like

32:44

the anti-Semitism. I don't like any

32:47

sort of bigotry or racism. Take it down

32:49

the flag, I think, is just disrespectful.

32:53

Yeah, yes, it is. Especially when you live in America. It

32:55

is, but here's the thing, we have the right to burn

32:57

our flag. We have a right to criticize our country. Does

32:59

it mean that I agree? Burning the flag? Yeah, I hate

33:01

that. Well, you have the right to do it. Yeah, the

33:03

right, but like you said, that's- Yeah, it doesn't mean that

33:06

you should do it. Yeah. Listen,

33:08

and I am not agreeing that it's okay for people

33:10

to do it, but you have the right to do

33:12

it. Well, that's fucked

33:14

up. Yeah, I agree. We've had Dana White

33:16

on a few times and he's talked about

33:18

how people are so afraid now to be

33:20

proud to be an American. Yes, but

33:23

I don't think performative

33:25

patriotism is

33:29

being proud of being an American. I just think it's

33:31

performative patriotism. Being

33:33

a patriot actually means

33:36

knowing and understanding that people have the right to

33:39

do things that we don't like in America. But

33:41

burning the flag is such a lack of respect for

33:44

the country that you live in. I agree. And I

33:47

feel like they don't appreciate enough that they live in

33:49

a country like America. But people have the right to

33:51

do it. Of course. And

33:53

if we're going to believe in our- I think it's crazy.

33:56

In democracy, then we have to allow people to be able

33:58

to do that. Do you think

34:00

about it personally burning the flag? I should, I

34:02

just said I don't agree with it. I'll hook it. Yeah,

34:05

it's just crazy. I don't

34:08

know, I saw Columbia, I think, canceled their graduation and stuff.

34:10

Just gotten completely out of hand. Am I not? That's

34:15

fine. Got you. It's a full-time podcast. We're a little, we're a little

34:17

on the down. Find his little moments in there. Yeah, he likes to

34:19

get his camera time. Yeah, I think it. It comes in for one

34:21

mic fix. I have a question for you in regards to like, going

34:24

from mainstream to

34:27

social media, holy, right? Cause you went to

34:29

do some stuff with Elon Musk on X.

34:31

Digital media, not like. Yeah, digital. Yeah. And

34:34

did you expect to have more

34:37

sort of like, I

34:39

don't know whether it'd be like viewers or engagement or

34:41

less, like when you left, did you have like a

34:43

higher expectation or, cause like, for example,

34:45

like Tucker, I don't know the relationship, I

34:48

don't know details, but like he left sort

34:50

of legacy and like massively blew up on

34:53

social media, Twitter, X, all this. Like his numbers

34:55

are insane. So no,

34:57

you're smiling. Because

34:59

we don't know if those numbers are real, but okay.

35:02

And but go on. I'm touching shade here by the way.

35:04

No, I'm not trying to touch that. I

35:07

don't shade people. I just talk. Do you think

35:09

Tucker's bonding views? Do I think what? You think

35:11

body bonding view? No, no, no, no, no. I'm

35:13

just saying that people have, people are

35:16

in control of their own algorithms and

35:19

they can, are you kidding me? People

35:21

are, you mean like buying? Well, I mean, I think

35:23

that Tucker could be getting pushed harder on that. That's

35:25

I think what he's going through. Yeah, but Tucker's big

35:28

though. But that's no secret. So the whole, the entire

35:30

reason that I was going there is because I wanted

35:32

to do this, what we're doing now.

35:34

And they were going to amplify

35:37

my presence on the platform.

35:41

So you can amplify who you want and you can suppress

35:43

who you want. I'm not saying that they're doing that, but

35:46

when I said, you don't know if those numbers are real,

35:48

you don't know what they're doing with their algorithm. And

35:51

for them saying, John,

35:53

we want you to come on the platform. We're

35:55

gonna amplify your thing. We're

35:58

gonna give you this. Am I gonna do this? do

36:00

that. So I don't know. And I listen,

36:02

I don't, I know Tucker,

36:04

I have nothing against Tucker, we've spoken

36:07

a couple times. So I'm

36:09

not saying anything shady about Tucker, I'm,

36:11

you know, more power to him. Yeah, Tucker

36:13

also has a much more concentrated

36:16

and a bigger audience than I do.

36:18

There are only so many places in

36:20

mainstream media where conservatives

36:23

can go and they feel like they're at home.

36:26

It is why is that? I

36:28

don't know. I don't know why that

36:30

is. But I

36:32

know that in the spaces that I

36:34

am now, it's much more conservative than

36:36

mainstream media. It's interesting. That's interesting to

36:38

me that concept interesting. Yeah, I think

36:41

conservatives felt like they didn't have a

36:43

home in legacy media. So they sort

36:45

of built a new they they they

36:47

they were the pioneers in

36:49

streaming and online and

36:51

podcasting. It's interesting though, because

36:54

it's like, it's just the audience then it's like

36:56

that's what the people are wanting. You

36:58

see what I'm saying? Because I don't think it's

37:00

just like, I don't, I don't think it's enough

37:02

to be bodying like 30 million views on what

37:04

he didn't say. Yeah, well, I think this you

37:06

said, well, I'm not gonna interview with Putin after

37:09

he got fired from Fox. Like he's he kind

37:11

of exploded once he got fired. Well,

37:13

yes, but I mean, Tucker was had, I

37:16

think was way more powerful in his

37:18

on Fox News. I think Fox News

37:20

is an engine for conservatism,

37:23

right? So I think he had, listen,

37:26

this is gonna sound like I'm shading talking. I'm

37:28

not. I think he had much more relevance over

37:30

the culture, much more influence, I should put that

37:33

say, over the culture at Fox News, than he

37:35

does now on streaming. It doesn't mean that you

37:37

know, he doesn't have, you know,

37:39

a lot of eyes on him. But

37:41

an interview with

37:43

Putin on Fox News would

37:46

have had much more of an impact than it

37:48

had on Twitter. I just I guess when I

37:50

look at it, it's like, it almost feels like

37:53

I don't know the sort of I guess in

37:55

this conversation, the right side of things were just

37:58

maybe more kind

38:00

of hidden. I guess I'm

38:02

not thinking about it. Yeah, I thought

38:05

Putin was just but I think he didn't say he'd never be bigger.

38:07

I would have had a bigger impact. Listen, there is legacy

38:13

media shrinking cable news is shrinking. We

38:15

know that. But there's still a cache

38:17

about television that streaming

38:19

does not have yet. And

38:22

you can say a million things on streaming. I could

38:24

say, you know, same shit that I would say on

38:26

streaming that I would say on CNN that that would

38:28

blow up, you can see it on streaming and people

38:31

don't pay attention to it. Every

38:34

content provider, every youtuber will tell you the

38:36

same thing. Cenk Uygur will tell you the

38:38

same thing. David Pakman will tell you everybody

38:40

will tell you the same thing that it's

38:43

just television still has

38:45

this sort of outsized influence in

38:47

the culture. Yeah. And and many

38:50

people don't realize that it's diminishing.

38:52

How did the whole x thing come about?

38:54

Like, did you

38:56

mean you reached out to them? Or they know

38:58

he tweeted, I want you to come on the

39:00

platform several times. You regret how the interview went?

39:02

No, I live with I have

39:04

very few I have no regrets, I should say. No,

39:07

I don't regret what? Can we go over what

39:09

you wanted from x? This

39:12

is what I wanted. Wait, can I read this tweet?

39:14

You can tell if it's if it's if it's fake

39:16

or not. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not saying it's accurate.

39:18

But a free Cybertruck. Yeah,

39:21

a hefty 5 million advance, 8 million

39:24

salary equity and x control over

39:26

news content policy changes, private

39:29

jet to Vegas luxury accommodations,

39:32

and the company to cover day drinking and massages,

39:34

which last two I agree with for sure. Drinking.

39:38

Let me they not want to cover drinking

39:40

and massages. Let me just say this. So

39:42

January, we were

39:44

in dry January. Okay, so there's

39:46

no such changes everything. There's no drinking. Yeah,

39:48

so I wasn't drinking. Okay, so I'll just

39:50

say to you that I may

39:52

end up in litigation with them. So I

39:55

don't really worry about it. But I will

39:57

just say to you don't believe everything you

39:59

read. And you would

40:01

have to think, oh, what if the government's? Why would?

40:04

It wasn't a dry massage January.

40:06

Listen, sorry. I would say don't

40:08

believe everything you read. And

40:14

you'd have to wonder why would someone leak that? Yeah.

40:17

Oh, nice. Damn. Why would

40:19

somebody like that? You

40:22

know, the most viral clip from that whole

40:24

interview is, is the ketamine question. Yeah.

40:27

What was the angle there? I wanted

40:29

to know why he used ketamine. I didn't ask him

40:31

about anything that he hadn't talked about publicly before. Yeah.

40:34

Because even he reacted in a way like,

40:36

wow, that's really personal to ask about someone's

40:38

like prescription. If he hadn't talked about it,

40:41

I wouldn't have asked about it. He is

40:43

number one. The main reason I

40:45

asked is because he talked about SSRIs

40:47

and people should be looking at other

40:49

things for depression and mental health than

40:52

traditional, as you say, big pharma.

40:55

And I agree with that. So I asked him

40:57

about it. The other thing is that he has

41:00

a lot of government

41:02

contracts and clearances.

41:06

And if he were that that was going

41:08

to possibly affect those. So

41:10

he's a very consequential person to the world.

41:13

So I think that that question was very much in

41:15

line. And when he said to me, I

41:19

talked publicly about doing ketamine. Yes.

41:22

Yeah. Yeah. So

41:25

when when he said, listen, I said

41:27

that because I think I'm paraphrasing, I

41:29

want to take the stigma off of

41:32

depression. And I believe that people and I said,

41:34

great, I suffer from depression. I

41:37

take an antidepressant and I

41:39

have had guided medical therapy. I agree with you.

41:42

But he just it was two people talking

41:44

past each other. He didn't he didn't hear

41:46

me. And so I don't know why he

41:48

became upset. Were you surprised about the backlash

41:50

you kind of got from that? And

41:54

no, I was surprised that

41:56

people were surprised that I

41:59

was going to ask. ask him pretty simple

42:01

basic questions. And, but

42:03

I was also surprised that the response,

42:05

most of the response has

42:07

been around capitalism. You

42:12

had the opportunity for someone to make you really

42:14

rich and you did that. And it's like, no,

42:16

I'm not, I'm fine. I

42:19

have money, but

42:21

I am, nobody

42:23

buys me. I'm a journalist. You hired

42:25

me, not, you didn't hire me. He wasn't my

42:27

boss. We had a content deal,

42:30

a partnership because

42:32

of the work that I have done, the work that

42:34

you have seen. You asked me to join

42:37

this platform. And so I

42:39

want people to know about you and know about

42:41

me and the people in my world are

42:44

wondering why you feel this way about

42:46

this, why you put this out there.

42:48

And then, our second conversations

42:50

could have been bros drinking beer, but our

42:52

first conversation could not be that. And

42:54

so I was simply asking him about his

42:57

own public statement. And

42:59

he said, you know, you could have started with the drinking beer

43:01

first. Warm up a little bit. Maybe you crack a cold one

43:03

first before you bust up. Can't go straight to the K hole.

43:06

No, I said, you're drinking beer conversation. You

43:08

usually have a drink with someone before you do ketamine with

43:10

someone, right? No. At least that's what I've done. No.

43:13

Yeah, no. No. No, I've

43:15

never done ketamine recreationally to. Me neither.

43:17

Yeah, only once in Colombia. Yeah.

43:20

Really? Coo-see. Oh,

43:23

yeah. One time. Yeah. So

43:26

do I answer your question? I don't know if you were right. What is

43:28

it? Do you have like a- You asked

43:30

me if I regretted it. Yeah. No, I didn't regret that.

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44:21

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44:23

on Ssr. I know I didn't say actively

44:25

take my father said I would. I would

44:28

much rather do mushrooms and to do so

44:30

you safe answer them in I am

44:32

not sure. And

44:34

herself into the thing that I'm taking is and

44:37

Ssr as is an antidepressant. but it's something different.

44:39

That. See weren't surprise, I don't like your comment

44:41

section when you upload it. It was just like

44:43

it's a lotta hate Like some of the comments.

44:46

Know. I got a lotta love to. Can.

44:48

I read but I never. I don't have the i don't really.

44:50

But let me just say this. Opinions.

44:53

Are like ass holes. Everybody has one

44:55

and I never let that affect the

44:58

work that I do near. I was

45:00

surprised that people were i'm. Ah

45:03

that the biggest response from the

45:05

you on sort of sick offense

45:07

or are. Lovers was

45:09

just just set up. While.

45:12

You had the gall to ask the richest man

45:14

in the world this and you had the gall

45:16

to someone yeah, pick you out of money as

45:18

that doesn't mean anything to me. I what I'm

45:21

doing is what I think is right. And

45:23

trying to get truth from someone in try

45:25

to get people to. Know

45:27

who he is, know who I am, and

45:30

to understand that people who have different worldviews

45:32

can actually sit down and have a conversation.

45:34

That was it. As fact that

45:36

this one comments like Don Lemon reminds me

45:38

of my girlfriend when she's in a bad

45:40

mood. and as China sept find something totally

45:42

irrational to get mad or. Very

45:45

funny. Have you ever find similar note that

45:47

cameo it was actually I was funny. I

45:49

would. I don't mind. I don't mind criticism

45:51

but I've I don't get the you look

45:54

alike that one girlfriend. That's just how to

45:56

get something on you. Are.

45:58

you me for the interview yeah yeah Oh,

46:00

okay. That's funny. But see, I don't have a girlfriend.

46:02

I have a husband. True. So

46:05

I don't have to deal with that. Maybe

46:07

it's just because I actually sometimes though, like trying to get in

46:09

thought of you. Do I what? Does he ever nag you to

46:11

get information out of you? No,

46:14

he didn't nag me to get information. But I mean,

46:16

you know, the sometimes like, shut up, you know? No,

46:20

I don't have to do that. I mean, maybe that's why I'm

46:22

gay. I don't have to deal with that. Oh, shit. We don't.

46:24

I mean, it's just like, you know, you're hanging out with your

46:26

bro, but you know, you're married. Being

46:29

gay is a kind of like that. So yeah, you

46:31

thought about that. Except for the gay sex. Except

46:33

for that part. I don't know. He's a little

46:35

questionable. And not

46:37

sometimes. It's okay, bro. In

46:40

the cave hole, maybe. So

46:43

why is there ever any mending the relationship

46:46

with Elon? Yeah, yeah, who knows, maybe. I

46:48

mean, I would, I would talk to sit

46:50

down and talk. I have nothing against Elon.

46:52

I wasn't trying to get Elon. That's

46:54

like you asking me these questions. I'm

46:57

not going to get up and run away and

46:59

get mad and say, you can't, how dare you

47:01

to air that podcast. I did not sign a

47:03

release. I agreed to come here and do it.

47:05

So yeah, why don't we get mad at you?

47:07

We all respect that. Yeah. So I just think

47:09

it's being like a baby. Because

47:12

if I'm

47:14

asking you about shit that you talked about. Yeah, I

47:16

think he just, I think

47:18

he should have maybe kissed his ass a little

47:20

bit and got the bag personally. Well, that's the

47:22

thing. That's I'm surprised at that response. And I've

47:24

actually heard some people who claim to

47:26

be journalists. You could have been whipping in a

47:28

cyber truck. Yeah, I can. I

47:31

can find a cyber. First of all, I don't

47:33

want a cyber truck. Why not? But did

47:35

you ask for one or not? Anyways, I

47:37

was I answered that. I don't want a

47:39

cyber truck. Why not? Because I'm not interested

47:41

in the cyber truck. Damn. What are you

47:43

whipping right now? What are the massages? What

47:46

am I whipping right now? A you

47:48

got a poor taker. No, don't be don't be

47:51

modest. He definitely did. You're nice at the crib.

47:53

100%. Do you want to tell you what realistically?

47:55

Yeah. And what and what do I have? And

47:57

then you'll understand why I don't that was not

47:59

an interesting. of mine. I have

48:01

a 1966 Lincoln

48:04

Continental with Suicide Doors. I have a 1973 Mercedes Benz 220 gas, not diesel.

48:06

I have a 1987 Ford, what do you call it? Country Squire

48:19

with panel sides. What else do I have? You

48:21

see pretty into cars. I like old cars. Oh,

48:23

and I have a 1969 Silver Shadow Rolls. And

48:35

then I just sold last summer

48:37

an 87 Defender. Damn.

48:42

Nice. You're gonna take some cars.

48:44

Damn. What have you bought for

48:46

your man's anything? Well, he

48:48

gets to drive them. Oh, he gets to drive them? Yeah.

48:51

I mean, you know. Yeah. I

48:53

buy shift my good life. But

48:55

I'm going to get rid of a lot

48:58

of those cars. I just want like two

49:00

cars. And maybe I'll get an electric car.

49:02

Maybe I'll get an electric car. But

49:04

not a Tesla. I

49:07

have nothing against Tesla. I've actually rented

49:09

Teslas before and they're nice cars to

49:11

drive. They drive themselves. Yeah. So again,

49:14

I know people think that I

49:16

had this person. I was going to go into business

49:18

with Elon Musk. Obviously, I did not have anything

49:20

against him. And I wasn't like out like trying

49:23

to needle him for things. I just think that,

49:25

you know, he got a bit flustered about not

49:27

being able to answer some of the questions. And

49:29

he took it off personally on me. And you

49:31

know, it's like, you know, I'm

49:33

going to cancel your contract, or I'm going to take

49:36

my marbles and go home. Fine. That's just, you know,

49:38

we can do it. Yeah. But do

49:41

you have a crazy concept? If you think about

49:43

it, like he owns the platform. Yeah. Right. And

49:45

he's like, you would never want to put

49:47

out a podcast where you don't like the way you

49:49

look on your own platform. I

49:51

think that he would have gotten much more respect

49:53

and much more credit if he just had

49:56

taken it And said, you know,

49:58

this is what I want this platform to. The I

50:00

truly do believe in free speech and even if

50:02

it's uncomfortable and even if someone puts me in

50:04

a position where I feel uncomfortable, this is what

50:06

I want this platform to be. I truly believe

50:08

I agree a he but I think F S

50:10

but saved it was me and your now the

50:13

on. I'm giving you the opportunity and and I

50:15

cells. Shaded. Like that I'd be

50:17

like what the fuck do with like putting

50:19

yourself in his shoes. Yeah, I. Know

50:22

now know because people come on let

50:24

him uncomfortable conversations people challenge me when

50:26

I was at cnn the tells me

50:28

that was you know you're in my

50:30

house yes funds can tells me and

50:32

but now on my swimming so the

50:34

dominant showtime challenging them with of people

50:37

tell me all the time like at

50:39

you know awesome challenge me today Touchdown

50:41

Do. You see ourselves, We but people

50:43

do know my own platform and I don't

50:45

get mad and like run his eight. I'm

50:47

not gonna get off my show their okay

50:49

so let's. All over the

50:51

internet the you get like people like

50:53

to say emphasize any like you did

50:56

Mehta Nikki Haley comments he seen on

50:58

a granny thing I was what was

51:00

for you trying to. Make

51:02

assumptions is like what did you mean exactly when

51:04

he said well that I prefer women around them

51:07

sort of did actually see the whole thing. I

51:09

know someone I fear of allowing a was you

51:11

said exactly So what I was with I'll tell

51:13

you what I was trying to do and that

51:15

was take up for older people. Could. I

51:18

thought she was being a just and I

51:20

thought that she was doing to older people

51:22

with society is done to women for years,

51:24

right and discriminating discrimination. I also thought much

51:26

you were saying that people should have to

51:28

take a test or in order to be

51:30

able to run for office or to boat

51:32

that it was like a poll tax. In

51:34

which we outlawed rights and so I

51:36

missing according to society or acquitted that

51:38

a woman is out of her prime

51:40

at a certain age with a man

51:42

as well. So I wasn't say and

51:44

the and I'm loving it is his

51:46

home. You're not a no, not at

51:48

all And I said I don't necessarily

51:50

believe that the no one picks up

51:52

on them and again it was me

51:54

being analytical and not saying something that

51:56

I personally believe but I think that

51:58

I'm. You. know it touched a

52:01

nerve for women because women are

52:03

discriminated against in our society. So

52:07

that's what that's how

52:09

I thought about it. But the thing the thing

52:11

about is that I know her you know, I

52:13

don't know her well, she could have

52:15

called me and said hey Don, what were you trying

52:18

to say, but she immediately. Oh,

52:20

she raised talk. No, I wouldn't talk,

52:22

but I've spoken her before I interviewed

52:24

her before and I've run into her

52:26

socially before. But

52:28

and she immediately like went and raised and raised money

52:30

off of it. And I just thought it was cheap.

52:32

It was just very hypocritical of her. If

52:35

I if I knew someone and they said

52:37

something that I thought was, you

52:39

know, that I would

52:42

like looked left at them like, wait, what the fuck are

52:44

you talking about? I would call them up and say, What

52:46

did you mean by that before I went out and started

52:48

slamming them? Yeah. You hate that you

52:51

have that kind of reputation? For what?

52:53

Like being misogynist? Um,

52:55

I don't know if I had that reputation, but

52:57

I'm definitely not a misogynist. Yeah. The

53:01

exact opposite, actually. I read something too, which I

53:03

think we agree that I don't think there should

53:05

be when we talk about the NBA and WNBA.

53:08

Like, obviously, yeah, man, I agree,

53:10

think should get paid more. I

53:12

think women should also make more.

53:14

Right. But that's recently changing because

53:16

Caitlin Clark's an absolute beast. What

53:19

do you think about so the head coach of

53:21

South Carolina for the women's

53:23

team said that she thinks that men like

53:25

trans should be able to play? This

53:29

is a trans conversation now. We've gotten into Yeah,

53:31

I just want to do I just want to

53:34

hear your thoughts on that because it's a wild.

53:36

She said that trans like trans women should be

53:38

allowed to play and it just it actually pisses

53:40

me off because women just had

53:42

the most successful year ever they absolutely crushed

53:45

it. And now she goes

53:47

and makes a comment like that, which we

53:49

had Michael Porter Jr. on recently and he said, dude, any guy

53:51

could go in there and I'd have 75 a game like

53:54

well, people might think that you're being misogynist

53:56

by saying that no, I'm not I'm saying men

54:00

and women to transition into a small part

54:02

of the population. And I'm surprised by the

54:04

sort of, but it only takes one trans

54:06

woman to get in there and fuck it

54:08

up. Right. So I'm surprised

54:11

by the interest in this. Do

54:13

I think it's personally do I think it's, um,

54:17

do I think that, how

54:20

do I come on? You got it. I want

54:22

to make sure that I say the right thing.

54:24

Because the only thing that that I do regret

54:26

about the conversation that you, the whole Nikki Haley

54:28

thing is that I'm a journalist and I should

54:30

be more precise in my language. That's it. Not

54:32

about anything I said or feeling or being a

54:34

misogynist because I'm not. Those two long, do you

54:36

think biological men should be able to play in

54:38

women's sports? I think that it

54:40

should be studied. And, but I

54:42

do think that what

54:45

do you physically men is not

54:47

fair. Physically men are stronger and

54:50

faster than women. And

54:52

so I have questions about

54:54

it myself, me personally, it's

54:58

not for me to decide, but I think

55:00

there is an inherent advantage when

55:02

someone who plays in a,

55:04

a women's sport and perhaps

55:07

they are stronger. Do you think it's kind of,

55:09

I think it's stupid that you even have to

55:11

explain yourself like in that careful

55:13

of words on a subject like that. The

55:15

question that he asked me before, I'm like

55:17

defending you. Like I'm saying, don't you think

55:19

it's crazy that we even have to talk

55:21

about that? Like how can we debate that biological

55:23

men are playing in women's sports? Yeah. And I

55:25

know it's a small, you

55:27

promised me, I have a book that's coming out. The real

55:30

question, why do you have to read? I talk about a

55:32

lot of these things and you're going to be really surprised

55:34

when they come in. I actually feel about them. When's it

55:36

coming? September. Okay. And you have a title?

55:38

Huh? It's called, um, I once was lost

55:40

my search for God in America, where I

55:42

talk about the, I talk about trans

55:45

women and, and, and trans

55:47

men in sports. I talk about all of those

55:49

things and you're, you might be surprised about my

55:51

actual feelings on it. I do think that people

55:53

have questions about it as a member of the

55:55

LGBTQ community. I have questions about trans issues, not

55:58

just trans people in sports. What's

56:02

the difference between Q and the G? Questioning,

56:05

I think it's called questioning.

56:08

And then what's with the... You guys

56:10

just questioned him. When do

56:12

the math equations, like when is the plus and minus?

56:15

There's a plus. I don't know. I guess... I

56:18

think what they're trying to do is

56:20

be inclusive to all communities. I

56:23

always wondered, why do they group gay people and trans

56:25

people? I feel like it's totally... I

56:28

think it's for people who are... Does

56:30

that bother you? I think

56:32

gay people are better spokesmen for the trans people. Because

56:34

the trans people, they're not that good at defending their

56:36

own issues. And it takes a

56:38

gay person to come in and really defend them logically.

56:42

Well, I think trans people

56:44

are probably the most vulnerable

56:46

among... That's what I mean. And the

56:48

gay people always have to come and stick up for them. Going

56:51

up, what he's saying is I actually have

56:53

heard from gay people that they're like, I

56:55

want to be grouped together because we're... It's

56:58

two totally separate issues. It's an

57:00

issue among the gay community. And

57:03

it's an issue among the trans communities. Some

57:06

trans people believe that a lot of gay

57:08

men are transphobic. I

57:11

don't know that to

57:13

be true. I don't have any scientific or non-scientific

57:16

knowledge on that. But that is a

57:18

discussion among people who are in

57:20

the gay and LGBT

57:23

community. I was always wondering that because

57:25

I think it's just two separate things.

57:28

I think the intention is good. The

57:30

intention is to look out for people

57:32

who have issues who are underserved in

57:34

society, who are ostracized.

57:36

And I think it's trying to create

57:38

an umbrella for all. We're

57:40

discriminated against. So we want to bring people

57:42

in and try to protect them. I think

57:44

the intention is good. But

57:47

I do think sometimes you need to reassess things to... Do

57:50

you think you can protect everyone? Sure,

57:52

I think you can protect everyone. In

57:56

what way? How do you mean that? It just

57:58

seems like... We're

58:00

always in this sort of battle of like protect

58:02

this person protect that person don't protect this

58:04

person more protect that person more It's like

58:06

I feel like no one's safe. Well, I

58:08

mean the you know, the lgbtq plus that's

58:10

not a government Right, right, but the government

58:12

our government specifically now is very much sides

58:14

and does everything it can to sort of

58:16

protect Well, I think you

58:19

should protect people who uh who? People

58:22

commit hate crimes against yeah, I think

58:24

that there should be protected pieces

58:27

of people in our society, I mean there

58:29

are people who you know, um Discriminated

58:34

against african-americans or people who discriminate

58:36

against women and people discriminate against, you

58:39

know, muslim people They're anti-semite in the world

58:41

and I think that people should be protected

58:43

There are certain groups that need protecting. I

58:46

think the main thing people have with the trans issue

58:48

is that they're teaching at schools Yeah,

58:51

and the sports thing's crazy. Well, the sports thing's

58:54

an absolutely fucking insane Teaching

58:56

in schools, but I think they are I think there's

58:58

a teacher that you never heard of the furries No,

59:01

wait, what are the they're telling kids that they

59:03

could be like furries and like if the kids

59:05

want to be raccoons They're like

59:07

giving them litter boxes and stuff Oh,

59:10

I I don't know about that thing. It's going on

59:12

search it up in seattle But I

59:14

mean you should do a second on it I was told that

59:16

I could be superman growing up and so I wore a superman

59:18

costume and I ran around the house and Thinking I could fly

59:20

and true You're never able to fly

59:23

no and I you know jumped off the roof with

59:25

the garbage cans. Did you guys ever do that? Doesn't

59:29

work but they do teach they're teaching kids that

59:31

they could be whatever gender they want I don't

59:33

have knowledge of enough knowledge to speak

59:35

on that with You didn't see the

59:37

whole thing going on in florida with what descent what's

59:40

going on in florida? DeSantis just passed the whole

59:42

don't say gay thing or yeah But it was

59:44

also the teaching of gender fluidity like the books

59:47

and all this stuff in school at the young

59:49

age Why? Look, i'm

59:51

not a parent and again, I don't have enough

59:53

knowledge of that to speak on it with any

59:55

sort of clarity Um, but

59:57

I don't think there's anything wrong with you

1:00:00

know, kids having knowledge. I

1:00:03

don't I think that you know, my

1:00:05

parents protected me from things that I knew about before

1:00:07

they knew that I knew about them. And

1:00:10

so I would rather telling them they could be

1:00:12

whatever they want. I would rather at a young

1:00:14

age. Well, yeah, we rather have that come from

1:00:17

each of them. We all had very similar things

1:00:19

to our parents did similar things. My

1:00:22

parents told me I could be whatever I wanted when I

1:00:24

grew up. But your parents telling you is different than like

1:00:26

a teacher in a school. My teacher told me I could

1:00:28

be whatever I wanted when I had career wise, not gender

1:00:30

wise, you said just in life. Yeah,

1:00:33

I mean, we did not have gender discussions. But I

1:00:35

mean, you think you know, what should be happening at

1:00:38

such a young age? I mean, well, I don't know,

1:00:40

I'm not an educator. And so you'd have to ask

1:00:42

someone who is an educator or someone who not asking

1:00:44

your opinion, do you think that kids should be taught

1:00:46

that at such a young age, given that there's there's

1:00:48

so well, no one can teach you to be trans,

1:00:51

of course, but no one can teach you to be

1:00:53

gay, you are or no one can teach you to

1:00:55

be straight, you just are right. But like,

1:00:57

at a young age for children, right, and in a sense,

1:00:59

where if we're saying like, this is acceptable, everyone wants to

1:01:01

kind of be accepting people to have a community. Right,

1:01:04

right. So at a young age, if you're a kid, and

1:01:06

there's a group of kids, we're all like, Oh, I'm this

1:01:08

or I can be this or they're learning who they are

1:01:11

in the moment, like in real time. Like,

1:01:13

you're the most susceptible when you're young. So

1:01:15

it's like, if you're given this information, your

1:01:17

thoughts naturally go, Oh, that could be me just like

1:01:20

you saw Superman, you're like, Oh, I could be Superman. So now

1:01:22

you're seeing this sort of like, the

1:01:24

book saying this and that and all these things where it's

1:01:26

like, it's fine to be these things. But at this age,

1:01:28

should we be showing that where it's like, yes,

1:01:30

those things are fine to be. But what

1:01:33

if you're, you're accepted, like you're susceptible to saying, Okay,

1:01:35

this is this is who I am now, because I

1:01:37

see these, these books. And it's this

1:01:39

is, I'm just thinking this is who I

1:01:41

am, even though I'm not really that yet. Look, it would

1:01:43

depend on the age. But I gotta tell you this, it's

1:01:45

like, I don't believe that, you know,

1:01:47

I don't believe as a whole that

1:01:49

kids are being indoctrinated to any certain

1:01:51

thing. I went to Catholic school my

1:01:54

entire life. They

1:01:56

taught us that being gay was an abomination. I ended

1:01:59

up being gay. So So it's not like they were

1:02:01

trying to force me to be gay. I ended up being

1:02:03

the opposite thing of what they wanted me to be. So

1:02:06

I don't think that just by having

1:02:08

awareness of something that it indoctrinates you

1:02:10

and it causes you to be that.

1:02:13

That's fair. That's a response to that. It's a fair

1:02:16

answer. But I will, going back to what

1:02:18

you said, this is not really on topic, but I don't think

1:02:20

teachers do that enough, like telling kids they can

1:02:22

be whatever they want to be. I think

1:02:24

it actually school fucking fucks

1:02:26

you in the head and makes you think you can't do that, maybe

1:02:29

that's just too personal. That's not

1:02:31

really personal. You

1:02:33

took him to a dark place. Yeah, fuck all. A few of my

1:02:35

teachers will say that. I

1:02:40

understand. We can move on. You're

1:02:42

so funny. So do you

1:02:45

like the social media life? Do you like the internet? Yeah,

1:02:47

I do, I love it because I can say whatever I want. I

1:02:50

like being able to build an

1:02:53

audience. I like creating a community and building a

1:02:55

community. I like that there are no rules. Wait,

1:02:57

but it's crazy when you say you can say

1:02:59

whatever you want. So before you couldn't say whatever

1:03:01

you want. Because earlier we were talking about, you

1:03:04

could, but you- Yes, I could say whatever

1:03:06

I want. And I did, but what I,

1:03:08

the difference is, is that when

1:03:11

you, I'm responsible for myself now.

1:03:14

Okay. So I feel like I have

1:03:16

more of a freedom to say whatever I want, because

1:03:18

if something happens, if someone, you know, gets mad at

1:03:20

me, if an advertiser wants to pull something, it's me.

1:03:23

When I worked in traditional media, I

1:03:25

represented an entire company. I represented a

1:03:28

brand. I represented 4,500 other people who

1:03:30

worked for that company. And so it

1:03:33

wasn't just me. So again,

1:03:35

I was looking out for

1:03:38

my fellow people. And so

1:03:40

I didn't want to say anything that would cause them to harm.

1:03:42

Also, I had to remember that we had

1:03:45

people who were in very dangerous parts of

1:03:48

the world. And I did not

1:03:50

want to cause them harm and put

1:03:52

their lives in danger. How

1:03:54

was that environment working? You

1:03:56

said like 4,500 other people. Like it seems

1:03:58

like it'd be pretty toxic. working for a

1:04:00

media network like that? No,

1:04:03

it was toxic. I

1:04:05

thought it was a great experience. So you enjoyed it?

1:04:08

Yeah. Which would you choose? Like, what

1:04:10

do you prefer now? I prefer

1:04:12

what I'm doing now. Yeah, it's way better on the

1:04:14

side. Ask me in a

1:04:16

year or two when, you know, when I've

1:04:19

grown my platform to millions of people when I've,

1:04:21

when I've fine tuned it and perfected it. Now

1:04:23

it's just all experiment. I'm just trying things. And

1:04:26

if it works, I do it. If it doesn't

1:04:28

work, then I don't do it. And if it

1:04:30

doesn't work, I don't go, Oh my god, that

1:04:32

didn't work. And get enough clicks enough use. It

1:04:35

doesn't really matter. Because that's how that's

1:04:37

how you learn. Yeah, you learned though.

1:04:40

Yeah, quit farming. Yeah, I

1:04:42

can't have been question was a quick arm. Good. He

1:04:44

got one. What was your take

1:04:46

on the whole daily wire letting go of Candace Owens?

1:04:50

That was crazy, I think. So here's the thing, like,

1:04:53

I, I will watch

1:04:56

people who

1:04:59

I don't necessarily agree with them politically

1:05:01

and their worldview, if they're good performers,

1:05:03

right? Yeah. Like, I think and if

1:05:06

they're passionate, like, I hardly agree with

1:05:08

anything that Ben Shapiro says, but

1:05:11

he is passionate about what he does. And he's

1:05:13

a great performer. And he's really smart. But I

1:05:15

don't agree with whatever, whatever, that lot of what

1:05:18

he says. Same thing about Elon, I didn't agree

1:05:20

with, you know, most of what Elon puts out

1:05:22

on on Twitter. But

1:05:25

you know, I think he's consequential to the

1:05:27

world. So I don't just

1:05:30

watch people who I agree with. Like

1:05:32

I used to I know it's gonna sound weird. I used to

1:05:34

love watching Bill O'Rally because I thought he was a great performer.

1:05:36

I used to love watching Megan

1:05:38

Kelly because I thought she's a great performer.

1:05:41

I don't agree with hardly anything that they

1:05:43

they say. Do you think talk about performer?

1:05:45

I think, um, we

1:05:48

had Tucker on here. He's pretty good at

1:05:50

performing. He's great. He said if he could

1:05:52

get there with any news person, like any

1:05:54

journalist, it would be you. Yeah, I know.

1:05:57

So so I think Tucker is a very

1:05:59

bright person. The very smart person I'm holding

1:06:01

him he said the opposite of will you for

1:06:03

a I guess because we done I know I

1:06:05

could see I'm just wanting a where I don't

1:06:08

believe that I'm aware but you can I I

1:06:10

I am not easily offended or not easily trigger

1:06:12

that way so you know not gonna go. Does

1:06:14

talking about me I target to talk about mean

1:06:16

I would laugh about it as you can be

1:06:19

done them on those this laugh about it. I

1:06:21

didn't think it was personal. Arm.

1:06:23

Anyway, a lot of suppose and he says

1:06:25

i think is reprehensible, but I it's is

1:06:27

he a good performer? I think he's a

1:06:29

decent performer I'm but I think he's also

1:06:31

very smart. And I also think

1:06:33

he knows his audience. We bonded with him

1:06:36

of zillions the ever pack bombs like. Since.

1:06:39

No. No set up like got a

1:06:41

production. Oh

1:06:43

you don't know? I've got lucky with

1:06:45

Adam Louisiana. I've had some max you

1:06:47

is it like saw the I may

1:06:50

add and are not and that nicotine

1:06:52

salted madhouse so are? Would I think

1:06:54

about it? I think that what I'm.

1:06:58

Ben. Is. Roy

1:07:02

smarts and his figured out his

1:07:04

way. What he's doing and digital media.

1:07:06

But I think Candace is a bigger star. And

1:07:09

I think Kansas.is going to be

1:07:11

okay and she may end up

1:07:13

on a bigger platform. It's probably

1:07:15

is probably. A. Good thing for her

1:07:17

that she's no longer on that platform. I'm

1:07:19

because it's you'll have to figure it out

1:07:21

for herself and I think in in figuring

1:07:24

it out for herself. She's. Going to

1:07:26

become. Bigger. I don't.

1:07:29

Again, I don't agree with hardly anything

1:07:31

she says every once in awhile ago. Candice?

1:07:33

Wow. hit the nail on the head. Like

1:07:35

sometimes she says shit that's really on point.

1:07:38

Most. Of the time she says stuff and

1:07:40

I'm like, what's your masters female? I don't

1:07:42

know either. Edit it as you'd have to

1:07:44

have to think about it. Neither did have

1:07:46

to give me specific examples. I don't. Know

1:07:49

a dozen me ousted on have a conversation with

1:07:51

her of a sudden have a conversation with soccer.

1:07:54

And. Not a free of them have a house

1:07:56

is why we could have ended but I'm not

1:07:59

gonna. I'm not going to talk I don't want

1:08:01

to go two spaces. I told you I spoke

1:08:03

to you wouldn't be as a that where someone

1:08:05

is is people just can attack me just to

1:08:07

attack me. Words personal like as seen some podcast

1:08:09

Is this attack me on personal things? These aren't

1:08:11

true. I'm not going to do that. It's not

1:08:13

worth my time. Yeah. I'm. It's

1:08:15

suddenly voted for the here. For my

1:08:17

voting for the cynical yeah we are what as this

1:08:20

is something that could not do. And when I worked

1:08:22

at Cnn who am I going to go for? Joe

1:08:24

Biden. Why? Because I

1:08:26

think he's doing a a nice think he's

1:08:28

doing busy doing guitar for the country. I

1:08:31

think that he and love what he's done

1:08:33

for prescription drugs for people a lotta that

1:08:35

he is improving the economy Allah that we

1:08:37

have even earlier have any fantasy as if

1:08:39

this economy is better than the to better

1:08:42

than that Trump economy and know that's tough

1:08:44

to hear but it's a truth is an

1:08:46

inflation a mile gas prices to the roof

1:08:48

the pretty economy so good Mean look at

1:08:50

the economy that he inherited from Donald Trump

1:08:53

stands have inherited block it out during covered

1:08:55

well. Okay, but still. That.

1:08:57

Know reality is reality. We have a down

1:08:59

and up at her like that thousand crowns

1:09:01

you have a higher than on a month

1:09:03

and a lie that hey I thought you

1:09:05

were it. Okay Councilman, here's an economy that

1:09:08

was on fire right? and then. Did.

1:09:10

Not do well for go know how

1:09:12

the code was a big part of

1:09:14

a battle? That's reality and so he.

1:09:17

For. Has already as outside energetic

1:09:19

and a covert economy which was

1:09:21

terrible by your own admission. Forty

1:09:23

years and stand up. But. It doesn't

1:09:25

matter. We had a chat matter snow is it doesn't

1:09:28

matter. Let me tell you why Because we were media

1:09:30

from and they think is weeks we the president was

1:09:32

in a wheelchair. While. He should get

1:09:34

know we we have think we have had their

1:09:36

and leaders in other countries who are the are

1:09:38

not don't have the physical this is a something

1:09:40

in affairs for what they want to mouth I

1:09:43

you're getting let me answer Excited by the guy

1:09:45

the. Yeah, I think

1:09:47

that so I think that you are at the again.

1:09:49

I think you're being ages which was what I was

1:09:51

trying to defend. All people from the whole Nikki Haley

1:09:53

comments. I think there's a big ages. I think that

1:09:56

Joe Biden is a fine present. He's doing great things

1:09:58

for the country. I really do is he. No

1:10:00

or is a perfect on immigration.

1:10:02

You can improve. Yes. Ah, Buzzy

1:10:05

Afghanistan Pull out. You know, not

1:10:07

good, Your last? Yeah. horrible. But

1:10:09

every president has good and bad

1:10:11

moments and so I seek in

1:10:13

this moment. Now I would rather

1:10:15

a president who believes in democracy

1:10:18

and in the constitution rather than

1:10:20

someone who says when I get

1:10:22

an author's i'm gonna you know

1:10:24

I'm I'm going to go after

1:10:26

my. Political. Enemies. Arm.

1:10:29

I feel I would prefer.

1:10:32

Veto. A president who did not.

1:10:35

In. And insurrection. I

1:10:37

would prefer a President who did not

1:10:39

have eighty Four charges against him and.

1:10:42

Nino who didn't have cases and who

1:10:44

didn't Enough of that are the biases

1:10:46

I need is among people discover them

1:10:48

up like the hunter biden that asked.

1:10:50

Hundred Biden is. Not.

1:10:55

The present husband has no influence on

1:10:57

culture at all. He's

1:11:00

that blown to the white of he has

1:11:02

not had elements of happening to the einer

1:11:04

heretic look Hunter under Biden is an issue.

1:11:06

right? He's obviously a troubled person on a

1:11:08

party with and don't get me wrong, but

1:11:11

he is. It's but he has no influence

1:11:13

and cultures, no influence on government. He's that,

1:11:15

You know it's It's interesting for the news

1:11:17

media and for the right wing to you

1:11:19

know talk about it's interesting palace intrigue, but

1:11:21

it means nothing. I just think we can

1:11:24

ever became president I can't speak for yeah

1:11:26

that's what we can and can't But here's

1:11:28

the thing. You could find instances of Donald

1:11:30

Trump not being a by here can now

1:11:32

he them great speaker. Either way I can.

1:11:34

I tell you one thing the I thought

1:11:36

of arsenic but he didn't speak of I

1:11:39

are not in person I know but he

1:11:41

has his moments. I know him personally. I

1:11:43

know Joe Biden personally as I I. I

1:11:46

prefer someone is gonna put good people around him

1:11:48

and smart enough to do that's the Manzullo. Good

1:11:50

job he is off arthritis in a spine to

1:11:52

is a little trouble walking. okay. Still

1:11:55

give your eyes right it's in the brain a

1:11:57

thing to some for his as thing I don't

1:11:59

agree that what. power of social media, right?

1:12:01

You're the only things you ever seen on Joe

1:12:03

Biden only things him falling off

1:12:05

the bike, falling up the stairs and losing his thoughts.

1:12:08

So to the guy, but

1:12:10

what I'm saying is social media is so powerful. History.

1:12:14

Go back in history and look at Gerald

1:12:16

Ford, SNL would do comedy sketches on Gerald

1:12:18

Ford, falling over and tripping because

1:12:20

he tripped a lot. He fell down. This is not

1:12:23

the first time that this has happened. That's no but

1:12:25

doesn't make it right. Yeah, but

1:12:27

it doesn't work. Would you rather someone who falls down

1:12:29

or someone who is going to blow up the country?

1:12:32

How's Trump going to blow up the country? How

1:12:34

is he gonna blow up? No, I don't mean literally.

1:12:36

Yeah. Okay, but you know what I mean. Someone who

1:12:39

said who tries to overturn elections. Come on, guys. I

1:12:42

think Democrats tonight when Trump won to

1:12:44

I'm not a Democrat. So I'm

1:12:46

saying I'm saying you are but I'm saying they did that they did the

1:12:48

same thing. Did what when Trump beat

1:12:50

Clinton, they tried to say it was rigged.

1:12:52

Hillary Clinton still says it when Trump beat

1:12:54

Clinton. Hillary Clinton conceded

1:12:57

and she felt she still says

1:12:59

to this day that there was something like

1:13:02

with it, but she didn't try to overturn the election.

1:13:05

She didn't say the election was stolen. Yeah,

1:13:08

I don't know about the rig situation. But I

1:13:10

personally think Trump as a leader and what's

1:13:12

going on in the world right now. I feel

1:13:14

like he's better to handle world leaders than

1:13:16

Biden. And no other world leader

1:13:18

respects Biden. Like I think Brad is going to bring

1:13:21

us into world into war. That's complete. You're

1:13:23

wrong on that. Why? I think every world

1:13:25

leader respects Biden. Biden is

1:13:27

Biden is a diplomat.

1:13:29

Biden has been around. And he

1:13:32

knows diplomacy and foreign policy like

1:13:34

nobody's business. The only person who's

1:13:36

probably better on foreign policy than

1:13:38

him or equal is Hillary Clinton.

1:13:40

But they're just such warmongers. You

1:13:43

don't think Republicans

1:13:45

are warm? Republicans historically have been

1:13:47

but not Trump. Really?

1:13:50

Yeah, like old Republicans like

1:13:52

Bush era and all that. Yeah, and

1:13:54

yeah, I'm saying Trump. I'm not saying

1:13:57

Republicans. Yeah. I

1:14:00

think – I mean Trump was a peaceful president, was

1:14:02

he not? Like he didn't start any

1:14:04

wars? Yeah.

1:14:08

I'm being serious. Yeah, I'm being serious.

1:14:11

Well, yeah, but who – what

1:14:13

wars have we

1:14:15

started? I mean, we're funding Ukraine. Okay.

1:14:18

We're trying to help. We're trying

1:14:20

to help. I mean, we pretty much – like we're behind that

1:14:22

war. We're just not on that ground. We're trying to help a

1:14:24

country that was attacked. I mean – I

1:14:27

mean, but so – But that is starting a war. So

1:14:30

can you imagine what would happen in

1:14:32

the region if Ukraine's

1:14:34

allies would allow them just to be

1:14:36

taken down? Do you understand the

1:14:39

instability that that would cause the world? It's

1:14:42

the reason that people – it's the reason we have

1:14:44

the foreign policy that we do with Israel, is

1:14:46

because imagine Israel not being there. Do you know

1:14:48

the – Uh-huh. – the instability

1:14:50

it would cause in that region? Uh-huh. It's

1:14:53

not just about funding a war. Now, I have

1:14:55

questions about where my money is going, but I

1:14:57

understand why that money is going there. There's

1:14:59

a reason. Do you think historically we've always been

1:15:02

on the right side of these things? Historically

1:15:05

what? Do you think historically we've always been on the

1:15:07

right side of things? We've always been on the right

1:15:09

side of the meeting in America? Yeah. No. Look at

1:15:11

Vietnam. No. Yeah. Look at, you

1:15:13

know, Iraq. No. No

1:15:16

weapons of mass destruction. You don't think

1:15:19

these are the similar kind of things that we're getting ourselves

1:15:21

involved in, so it's just like the industrial fucking arms and

1:15:23

money and all the stuff that comes along with it. We're

1:15:25

not sending troops to Ukraine or – Oh,

1:15:27

they're buying weapons. We're selling weapons. It's a massive thing.

1:15:29

I mean, it's a money thing. That's why

1:15:31

when I talk about all these things, even the COVID, it just seems

1:15:33

like it's about money. And

1:15:37

it's like, are we doing the right thing? Are we being

1:15:39

involved? We're being in the capitalist society. For sure. Yeah, but

1:15:41

like at the expense of just life,

1:15:43

right? Yeah. But I mean,

1:15:46

if you allowed Ukraine

1:15:49

and Israel to go away, you would

1:15:51

have a much different feeling. I

1:15:54

can't believe that Joe Biden didn't save Ukraine

1:15:57

and Israel because now look at what we're in. There's

1:16:00

a whole World War III going on in the Middle

1:16:02

East, and then Russia is taking over the rest of

1:16:04

the world, and they're gonna, you'd have a whole different

1:16:06

feeling about it. I guess it just feels weird sometimes

1:16:09

when it's like, like we're

1:16:11

constantly doing things outside of our country when our country

1:16:14

seems to be needing help in a lot of ways

1:16:16

as well. And I know a lot of people feel

1:16:18

that way, where it's like, why are we constantly getting

1:16:20

involved in other things? We're getting involved in other things,

1:16:22

because we're, and I agree with you, but we

1:16:25

need to take care of a lot of things at home. I agree

1:16:27

with you with that. But we

1:16:29

are the richest country in the world, and we are

1:16:31

the biggest democracy. So people hold us to

1:16:33

a higher standard, and we hold ourselves to a higher

1:16:35

standard. Should we be doing

1:16:38

more for people at home? Sure, probably. But

1:16:41

can we afford to help other people? Yeah, and

1:16:43

should we help other people in other countries, especially

1:16:46

democracies? Yes. Yeah.

1:16:48

It just doesn't seem like Biden can physically

1:16:50

compete with other world leaders. What

1:16:53

do you want to do? Like if they had to walk? What do you want

1:16:55

to do, like, you want to get in a ring? Speak properly? Yeah, if they

1:16:57

had to walk, it's like- Speak. The

1:16:59

falling we could deal with. Okay, you can't

1:17:01

even read off a teleprompter. He's feeble for

1:17:04

sure, right? Okay, fine.

1:17:06

He reads like the periods on the teleprompter and stuff.

1:17:08

I want you to go and look, I want you

1:17:10

to watch a Trump teleprompter.

1:17:13

I've watched a lot of Trump speeches. He's

1:17:15

not good. He's amazing. He doesn't read well. You

1:17:17

went to one in person, though. Yeah. Yeah,

1:17:20

he is a good,

1:17:22

he's funny, and he

1:17:24

stands in front of a crowd when he's on, and he

1:17:26

does the same. But he can't read a teleprompter. He's not

1:17:29

good at reading teleprompter. I know

1:17:31

you've seen the Biden-Sniffing Girls. Trump

1:17:33

is good at stream of consciousness.

1:17:36

You know, look, I'm doing this for you

1:17:38

because if they do this to me, they

1:17:40

can do it to you, and I'm the

1:17:42

only thing between you and saving the world.

1:17:45

He's good at that. He's just talking about it. And

1:17:47

the reason he's good at it is

1:17:49

because he doesn't have to rely on facts. And

1:17:53

he is not the president anymore, right?

1:17:55

So people aren't looking to him to,

1:17:58

you know, he could say, It's a

1:18:00

something that. But. As we could start

1:18:02

a war two, you have to be

1:18:04

careful with your words isn't as it

1:18:06

in order to do that maybe Spiegel

1:18:09

or slowly. He also has a think

1:18:11

he speaks. Get biden or not it's

1:18:13

mostly notice biden is by the has

1:18:15

I'm He's always spoken with the. Guy

1:18:18

would against in that. I

1:18:21

just see he doesn't I can't remember you

1:18:23

for the by the tail and say that

1:18:26

if of analysis I have happened my so

1:18:28

much an email us I learned I in

1:18:30

your enemies secret get the have abided his

1:18:32

always had trouble speaking. Biden. Is

1:18:34

always said things you know his stutter.

1:18:36

That's word I'm looking for. He started

1:18:39

he does. He has a brain other

1:18:41

are going up every time. He taught

1:18:43

himself to speak. Without.

1:18:45

Stuttering, That is an issue

1:18:47

that is a sassy as a starter. he's always

1:18:50

had this honest that again. It's it.

1:18:52

looks like uses thought a lot of yeah I

1:18:54

did. You won't like it really is you are

1:18:56

losers Renaissance Yeah last year last I don't want

1:18:58

a while but his brain to shut down you

1:19:00

could see it shutting down. I think

1:19:02

you watch too many you tube know I just see

1:19:04

all the time. Feeding I was saying is still I

1:19:07

mean there's the only way of and so on. Throwing

1:19:09

the latter, get away with it once in awhile but

1:19:11

do but I think you're He was a lot of.

1:19:14

Far right Wing: I don't know accident. I don't

1:19:16

watch criticism as episode of Meat and you're looking

1:19:18

at clips of him and people who are highlighting

1:19:20

it's it's the same thing that people they to

1:19:22

happen. So what is really people? Did you ever

1:19:24

watch me on Cnn? Yeah.

1:19:27

You did okay but most people who

1:19:29

had were critical of me who are

1:19:31

have never once me they've only watch

1:19:33

talker talking about me or Hannity and

1:19:35

clips i was taken out a contest

1:19:37

or some out of context or snippets

1:19:39

or things that on social media with.

1:19:42

No. Idea what I actually said or

1:19:44

did on the network? So.

1:19:47

I. Feel like you doing that a little

1:19:49

bit with Biden? You are welcome to

1:19:51

your opinion about him, but I don't

1:19:53

think that he is. I'm. In.

1:19:55

cognitive decline in that he's you

1:19:57

know gonna you know just

1:20:00

keel over at any moment. I just don't believe that.

1:20:02

I mean, anybody can die at any moment. Anybody can

1:20:04

have a heart attack, but so can

1:20:06

Trump. So can, you know,

1:20:08

RFK. So, you

1:20:11

know, true. Would you be pretty upset

1:20:13

if Trump won? No,

1:20:15

I would not be upset. I would be concerned. I

1:20:19

would hope that because he pushed our

1:20:21

the levers of democracy. He pushed the

1:20:23

limits of our democracy. And,

1:20:26

you know, I think the first time was

1:20:28

a little bit scary. We survived it. I

1:20:31

think we will probably we would survive another.

1:20:33

I believe that we would survive

1:20:35

another Trump presidency. But I would be a bit

1:20:37

nervous about what he would do in office, considering

1:20:39

what he's actually going to be. Look at what

1:20:42

Project 2025 have you studied Project 2025, where what

1:20:44

he says he wants to get rid of the

1:20:48

Department of Justice, the FBI and all

1:20:50

kinds of things they want to make.

1:20:52

They want to make porn illegal, all

1:20:56

kinds of crazy things. He wants to be able to use

1:20:59

the National Guard

1:21:02

to, you know, solve

1:21:06

things between American citizens. It's a

1:21:08

little nutty. Making porn illegal

1:21:10

would be wild. We might

1:21:12

need to do that. That might be the only solution.

1:21:16

We got to talk Trump. Yeah, we might have to have a chat. Yeah.

1:21:18

Why take that away from us? I

1:21:21

mean, I don't know. I've messed my head up. Folks who

1:21:23

are behind him. I'm not sure how much he has to

1:21:25

do with it. But you need to be an addict. I'm

1:21:27

reformed. Do you think for

1:21:30

more? You don't watch it. Yeah, no, at

1:21:32

all. Do you think it's a net positive

1:21:34

for society pornography? Like I have not been.

1:21:36

I have no opinion on pornography.

1:21:38

Well, you just said that he was going to get rid

1:21:40

of it. And it's like, like, it was as if it was

1:21:42

a bad thing. I'm just saying that was that's one of

1:21:44

the things he knows that our audience is going to be pissed

1:21:46

at. Right. He knows how to sway the right wing voters.

1:21:48

Yeah. So again, that's like, I mean,

1:21:50

look, we did who was on the

1:21:52

stand yesterday, a porn star.

1:21:55

Yeah. You're talking about the trial stuff

1:21:58

with Trump. Yeah. So Daniel, so you know, Part

1:22:00

of the cancer but I have no. I.

1:22:03

Have no opinion on porn. Have

1:22:05

you and trumpeter went super head to head.

1:22:08

Ah yeah, I've interviewed him. Number

1:22:10

of times but usually you know is the craziest

1:22:12

I was that it had been. It wasn't me

1:22:14

to go back and look at our interviews are

1:22:17

they were tossed. I think

1:22:19

he took much tougher questions and you on.

1:22:21

And he still came back for interviews

1:22:23

but once he became you know the

1:22:26

nominee and he actually you know we

1:22:28

had to really questioned him on facts

1:22:30

and things that he said he would

1:22:32

come back on the network. What's the

1:22:34

craziest thing he ever said you he

1:22:36

said ah on my show. My

1:22:40

sassy about Megyn Kelly that she had

1:22:42

blood coming out of her wherever I

1:22:45

have ah in then as a legendary

1:22:47

one yeah that was on myself. And

1:22:49

then he said about. People.

1:22:51

Coming across the border raping people and I

1:22:53

said you know and as an act, whatever

1:22:55

it was I refuted and I gave him

1:22:57

the things He goes, who's doing the raping?

1:22:59

Dawn somebody doing the raping and so we

1:23:01

were like oh. I'm

1:23:04

what else did he say? He said i'm

1:23:06

the least racist person you ever wanna meet.

1:23:09

When I am I assume point blank was a

1:23:11

racist. Wells. Lot

1:23:14

of stuff I just. The thing is is that

1:23:17

you can ask Alice from anything. yeah he's He's more

1:23:19

of an open book as all and how you asking.

1:23:22

The. Always do a compliment him in in asking the

1:23:24

question for a but an. A

1:23:27

of the percent but hasn't gained a

1:23:29

huge amount of support from app that

1:23:31

are black population recently know, I mean,

1:23:33

I think he. Jane. I

1:23:35

think his support him. I think it's among. Black.

1:23:38

Man as he to support has gone

1:23:40

up but not among black women now

1:23:43

ghetto in general. And speaking in

1:23:45

generalities. but who knows how much just

1:23:47

because someone says they like him. Doesn't

1:23:49

mean that they're actually gonna vote for him. Chef.

1:23:52

As or tude of yeah things. What's your take

1:23:54

on that.the border situation and his take on. It.

1:23:57

Depends on what aspect you're asking like is

1:23:59

an employee to add the border? Of course

1:24:02

there were two bread and I think that

1:24:04

you know we're in a place now where

1:24:06

we really need to. We need immigration reform.

1:24:09

And I'm. The

1:24:11

this our system can't handle the number

1:24:13

of people who are coming across the

1:24:16

border so we we gotta figure that

1:24:18

out. I don't know what the answer

1:24:20

is. I. Don't think the answer is

1:24:22

like a physical wall. I. Think it's

1:24:24

you know that has to do with legislation.

1:24:27

And I'm Maybe it's more

1:24:29

manpower, but I'm. Them. Cameo:

1:24:32

With her crazy. After

1:24:34

so much as people come in and well as

1:24:36

he sang him nor Dr. Phil was talking about

1:24:39

he spoke to a border agent who just their

1:24:41

toll. they just can't do certain things even though

1:24:43

they should be I can like kids are just

1:24:45

come in through and my the news sex have

1:24:47

remember that the end of a doctor Phil thought

1:24:50

i think it's uneasy said something like they write

1:24:52

a number on the kids yeah like they knowingly

1:24:54

or they're sending them to places where like they

1:24:56

know they're going to be such traffic and like

1:24:59

they're not allowed to. Technically. Stop

1:25:01

it. I. Know

1:25:03

how much you know about the situation or no

1:25:05

I don't really know about that says you're up

1:25:07

against not my thing other see their city for

1:25:09

to not be sex traffic I just for me

1:25:12

I'm my heart goes out to the kids because

1:25:14

there are people who bring their kids across the

1:25:16

board and go back as they want to have

1:25:18

a better life and I feel for anyone who

1:25:21

they're like it so fucked up over here. Go.

1:25:23

To America. The land of milk

1:25:25

and honey and have a good life Like my heart goes

1:25:27

out to the kids for that. Now. Even seen

1:25:30

of than internet recently. Young. People

1:25:32

apart, he caught a predator live on stream.

1:25:35

Or we. Suffer. Wow, what the

1:25:37

fuck did that was? I heard something

1:25:39

about that. Yeah, well since he thought

1:25:41

movies I'm a yeah, I was there.

1:25:43

Obviously I'm my boys viral right now.

1:25:46

John Brown Sanford Allen has a is

1:25:48

a streamer who liked sets up the

1:25:50

sort of like. i'm

1:25:52

not chris hansen type video but it's

1:25:54

were like your they're sort of i

1:25:56

guess baiting people who are sex offenders

1:25:58

who are i guess not registered yet,

1:26:00

but there are people who have been like contacting

1:26:02

interacting with like underage kids are thinking that they

1:26:05

are. And we just were randomly

1:26:07

in LA somewhere

1:26:09

downtown. And it's just

1:26:11

so happened to be some guy who was, I guess, screenwriter,

1:26:14

he works on like multiple big movies, something big Hollywood

1:26:16

guy. And I just I don't know, I didn't know

1:26:18

anything of it, except for like, you see the text

1:26:20

interaction with the person that they believe to be like

1:26:23

of a certain age 15, in this case, girl, and

1:26:25

then you just kind of pull up and you're like,

1:26:27

what are you doing? Essentially, and you're trying to like,

1:26:29

call the police, but the police kind of like, oh,

1:26:31

we're I can't do

1:26:33

more. I remember seeing something online, like similar

1:26:36

to that. But I like, it

1:26:38

was it was a thing that said, this

1:26:40

guy caught this kid, caught this

1:26:42

man, Chris Hanson style or something. But it was

1:26:44

on social media, like something that I was flipping

1:26:46

through. Yeah, that was you. Yeah, yeah. Apparently, everyone's

1:26:49

fucking tired. And that was so viral. It's like,

1:26:51

isn't it kind of a wild concept? Like they're

1:26:53

live streaming it. This is what creators are doing

1:26:55

now. It's a good thing. But the

1:26:58

new era, there are some good things. Welcome

1:27:00

to the digital world. Right? Yeah, you're on

1:27:02

this side now. If you

1:27:04

want to jump in the next stream, we could probably set

1:27:06

that up. Yeah. Wait, what are you

1:27:08

streaming? Catching the predators. Wait,

1:27:11

you guys have a catching the predator stream. Well, I

1:27:15

did Vitaliy. He was a special guy. I was one of

1:27:17

our friends who does this. Oh, you want to

1:27:19

come do it. I was like, Yeah, I'll come do it. I'll show up.

1:27:21

And that's what happened. We just ran.

1:27:23

It wasn't like we simply found the person and the person

1:27:25

just so happened to be someone who was, you

1:27:27

know, I guess, yeah, hook

1:27:30

me up. I'll do it. Yeah, that'd be cool. Italian

1:27:32

diamond. Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll tell you,

1:27:34

I'll me for that one straight up. That'd

1:27:36

be crazy. You guys wouldn't be afraid to

1:27:38

be with me. There are a lot of

1:27:40

people talking about the hate online. There are

1:27:42

a lot of people in these spaces who

1:27:44

don't like me. I think I

1:27:46

think people would really appreciate

1:27:49

and respect it if you get it. Why

1:27:51

do you think people don't like you? Because

1:27:53

they don't know me. And they have an

1:27:56

idea about me that is based on

1:27:58

what my critics say about me. And they, you

1:28:00

know, they saw the Elon interview and,

1:28:03

and yeah, the Elon one was just

1:28:05

because of the way he, he reacted.

1:28:07

They think like I'm some, you

1:28:09

know, ogre or mean person.

1:28:11

I'm not. Yeah, it's

1:28:13

not I'm not even like I said, I'm not a

1:28:15

Democrat. I'm not a Republican either. So what are your

1:28:17

actual thoughts on Elon as like a person? As

1:28:20

I said, I think he's very consequential to

1:28:22

the world. Super important really good things for

1:28:24

the world. But I don't think that he

1:28:26

is beyond

1:28:29

account. He should be held accountable for certain. What

1:28:31

do you think he's doing? Everyone has to answer

1:28:33

to someone or to something. What do you think

1:28:35

he's doing wrong with X? Or just in general

1:28:37

speaking, I thought that I got off of Twitter

1:28:39

because I thought it had become toxic. I think

1:28:42

that pre Elon post Elon pre

1:28:44

Elon, I got off because yeah, I

1:28:46

got on before him. Right. And then

1:28:49

I had someone do it for me

1:28:51

because I just couldn't anymore. It becomes

1:28:53

so toxic. And then once

1:28:55

he did it, it just has become like

1:28:57

a cesspool for far right conspiracy theories and

1:29:00

racism and misogyny and it's

1:29:03

just, I can't, but

1:29:06

you know, I

1:29:08

thought that he truly wanted me to

1:29:10

do what he said

1:29:13

on the platform, but

1:29:15

it turned out not to be so. So

1:29:17

it is what it is. Apparently, he's happy

1:29:20

with the platform being a

1:29:22

far right place. That's, you

1:29:25

know, what do you think he should do better with

1:29:27

it? I think he should, I think he should moderate

1:29:29

the platform. Every, every platform that moderates

1:29:31

does well, does better. And I don't know

1:29:33

how long he's got, he has a lot

1:29:35

of money. So I'm sure he

1:29:37

could probably fund it for a while. Because I think he

1:29:40

said it not to make money, right? He wants to make

1:29:42

it. But also he owes. Look, and

1:29:44

I don't know the particulars of the financials. So don't,

1:29:46

you know, take this with a grain of salt. But

1:29:49

at a certain point, creditors are going

1:29:51

to come calling about their investment into

1:29:54

Twitter or X. And so something's, something's

1:29:56

going to have to happen with that

1:29:58

platform. And I think

1:30:00

that it would be better and he'd

1:30:02

have more people and more advertisers because

1:30:06

I think it would be a real shame for the platform

1:30:08

just to go away, right? Or just

1:30:11

to become, which is what it's becoming, which

1:30:13

is sort of a niche platform for the

1:30:15

right. I think it would be better if

1:30:17

he moderated the platform and that doesn't mean, you know, violating

1:30:19

people's right to free speech,

1:30:23

which honestly, it doesn't apply to Twitter

1:30:25

because it's not a government institution. But

1:30:28

do you think that it's because, it seems

1:30:30

like it's become this sort of right wing

1:30:32

thing because every other platform is so

1:30:34

highly moderated. Like that's why we're

1:30:37

having this conversation about it. It's like, if

1:30:39

we just moderate it, like all the other ones have been

1:30:41

moderated, then it's just like before we told you about the

1:30:43

COVID error thing, we couldn't talk about anything if

1:30:46

it wasn't in line with what everyone thought. But

1:30:48

I think that those other platforms are

1:30:50

doing well. I mean, Yeah,

1:30:52

but financially doing well and the difference of

1:30:54

like, financially doing well and free speech. And

1:30:56

free speech. Because Meta is moderating conspiracy theorists

1:31:03

and people who are there just to offend

1:31:05

people and people who have, as I call

1:31:07

internet brain or social media brain,

1:31:09

where they think everything is a fight and

1:31:12

everyone has to own someone. I'm gonna

1:31:14

own the libs, I'm gonna own this

1:31:17

conservative, I'm gonna talk shit about trans

1:31:19

people. That's

1:31:22

not like, it doesn't have to

1:31:24

be that, that's internet brain. For sure. And so

1:31:26

I think Twitter always has that. Twitter's

1:31:29

always had that. So again, I told you

1:31:31

it was a topic before, but at least

1:31:33

they had advertisers. At least

1:31:35

that it was financially, they were

1:31:37

doing okay, not great. But

1:31:41

other platforms are actually

1:31:44

thriving financially for a reason,

1:31:46

because they have moderation. But I think Twitter's

1:31:49

kind of slowly becoming that platform that like

1:31:51

even us, we're creators and like X slowly,

1:31:53

day by day, is becoming actually more enticing

1:31:56

for us and our audience because they

1:31:58

don't moderate stuff. And it's kind

1:32:00

of like were more time a covert. It's

1:32:03

like who decides what you can and can't

1:32:05

Yes, I I think it should only talking

1:32:07

about extremes. Right. But I think

1:32:09

if someone puts something you know offensive

1:32:11

like depicting you know, Jews as like

1:32:13

big knows what it's like. Why does

1:32:15

it need to be there? Why?

1:32:18

Does that to six? Freedom of Speech. That is

1:32:20

a poor excuse. For as

1:32:23

just like, where do you draw the line then

1:32:25

right I think. well he said rather line A

1:32:27

laugh at laws. What's legal at at the I

1:32:29

think that that's a cop out. I. Think

1:32:31

you draw the line because you can.

1:32:33

Where do you draw can entice people

1:32:35

to become. I'm

1:32:38

shooters. Mass.

1:32:40

Shooters from. By.

1:32:42

Being indoctrinated through social media, they admit

1:32:45

that in their own manifestoes. So

1:32:47

I think I think that deep you know

1:32:49

you can put together a group of people

1:32:51

are there could be a group of people

1:32:53

at X who sit down and actually decide

1:32:55

that. and I think that you can do

1:32:57

that within reason. I don't either. You going

1:32:59

to have the Wild Wild West? Will you

1:33:01

not can have any? You know, No restrictions.

1:33:04

Or. You gonna moderated and in if

1:33:06

you're if you are. If

1:33:09

you're going to have moderation and you

1:33:11

have to abide by your own content

1:33:13

rules, I think they're moderate based on

1:33:15

law though know is used to go

1:33:17

and read the content rules on. On.

1:33:20

Twitter as and if you don't, if you

1:33:22

can't don't know if where to find them,

1:33:24

go on to a post that you don't

1:33:26

necessarily like in tried to. Bomb.

1:33:29

Report it and then they'll give you all

1:33:31

the reasons for what should not be on

1:33:33

Twitter and that's making fun of a protected

1:33:35

group love of of of law hate speech.

1:33:38

It'll tell you all of that and that's

1:33:40

their own rules. So if you're not going

1:33:42

abide by those rules, why do you have

1:33:44

them? Don't. Pretend to

1:33:46

have them when you're not gonna buy buy them.

1:33:48

To say it's this is the Wild Wild West

1:33:51

and we are going to. Or put

1:33:53

everything up there except for stuff that's illegal so

1:33:55

you and have a problem with it at that.

1:33:57

I. I still am I really it would be

1:33:59

traced. Would like it, but at least it would

1:34:01

be transparent. It wouldn't be hypocritical. I like other

1:34:04

making it you can kind of say whatever you

1:34:06

want. I'm in a month breeding hate speech and

1:34:08

stuff like that but from our point of view

1:34:10

to it's like you can kind of. Put.

1:34:12

out there and you can say some stuff that you

1:34:15

can't say another platform I like another I doing it

1:34:17

I like him as well being able to say whatever

1:34:19

you want but I don't wanna oh I get ago

1:34:21

guys that it over five o'clock so I'm sorry I

1:34:23

forgot the authorities are com and do lot of respect

1:34:25

for come into the we the okay I where we.

1:34:28

Are these? You guys are challenging but I

1:34:30

might it? Yeah, do I have no real

1:34:32

I'm not afraid of some conversations yet will

1:34:34

thank you and now we're facing a now

1:34:36

my size or any money at Nasa success

1:34:38

except the thank you got out. Of make a

1:34:40

month.