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3:15

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3:17

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3:19

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subject today as Reginald Kimbrell, a

10:06

black man and serial killer in

10:08

North Texas. His actions span several

10:10

years and included both sexual assaults

10:12

and murders. Alright, so we are

10:14

going to begin with our Levin

10:16

Might section of the case or

10:18

we say rest in Power To

10:20

those who lost their lives in

10:22

this case and Levin might to

10:24

the communities. And the loved

10:27

ones who lost someone? The.

10:29

Victims are: Molly Jane Matheson, a twenty

10:32

two year old woman from Fort Worth,

10:34

Texas. Megan. Get from was

10:36

thirty six years old and she

10:38

was hiking at the time in

10:40

Plano, Texas. Melissa. Winton is

10:42

a survivor in this case. Katie.

10:45

Coats is a survivor and

10:47

two other unnamed Mim and

10:50

also. Survived attacks by

10:52

today's perpetrator. And again

10:54

Love and light. Everyone impacted by these

10:56

true crime can bro is currently in

10:58

prison but the does not bring the

11:00

murder victims back and B S A

11:02

survivors you know, scars both visible and

11:04

invisible. Remain as they continue to live

11:06

their lives. Yeah, that keel and. So.

11:09

Now let's get into the

11:12

says he says. Best

11:14

up on tax. Which okay, I

11:16

will affect. So the setting is North

11:18

Texas. from two thousand and twelve to

11:20

two thousand and fourteen. North. Texas

11:22

has a rich and diverse history

11:24

of indigenous peoples who inhabited the

11:27

region long before European contact. The.

11:29

First people to inhabit the America

11:32

has arrived in present day Texas

11:34

around ten thousand bc. He whoa

11:36

yeah, how far away that from

11:39

dinosaur times? Just getting. Up

11:42

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11:45

anyway, when I have never is

11:47

I think that a source. Okay,

11:49

so by fifteen hundred bc a

11:51

distinct culture a group had developed

11:53

which included the Coddle, Apache, Comanche,

11:55

and Qiao. What tried. The. Cattle

11:57

people lived in East Texas and

12:00

the surrounding area. Their territory included

12:02

parts of Oklahoma, Arkansas in Louisiana.

12:04

Cattle and people's established to interpret

12:07

communities in the northeastern part of

12:09

Texas. They. Were known for

12:11

their distinct societal class structures

12:13

and ceremonial mound complexes. Other

12:16

groups like the colloquial to can.

12:18

Wear. Hunter gatherers in South

12:20

Texas. With a more egalitarian

12:23

society, it's tribe left a

12:25

lasting impact on Texas culture.

12:27

Had Dolans excelled in

12:29

pottery and agriculture. The

12:32

Comanche ruled the planes with their. Horsemanship:

12:35

These trades shared land knowledge, allowing

12:37

them to flourish in. Different

12:39

circumstances, People. Of African descent,

12:41

both enslaved and free played

12:43

a significant. Role in the settlement

12:46

of Spanish Texas. Interracial marriage

12:48

was legal and common during this

12:50

period, and the population was diverse

12:52

and allowed to be diverse. There

12:54

was a chance the. The.

12:57

Amy Segregate that we saw

12:59

ah later and. Later on

13:01

their cell be enslaved population was

13:03

afforded some rights under Spanish rule

13:05

including the right to purchase their

13:07

freedom ah to protest against abuse

13:09

or a p new masters if

13:11

they were being treated unfairly. Other

13:13

black people occupied the lower end

13:16

of the casters. The racial

13:18

categorization system of Spanish Texas. Some

13:20

black and mixed race people were

13:22

able to ascend the classification system

13:24

by gaining wealth and prestige through

13:26

labor and Knesset say that that

13:28

has happened throughout history that. Despite

13:31

cas and a person that there are

13:33

people who do make it out. but

13:35

it doesn't change the fact that there

13:37

are a large number who are mean.

13:39

Continue Yeah, and it's it's rare. Yes,

13:42

So. After Mexico gained independence

13:44

from Spain and Eighteen Twenty

13:46

One, the Mexican government adopted

13:49

policies to gradually outlaw enslavement

13:51

in the newly established country.

13:53

However, Anglo settlers actively work.

13:55

To preserve the institution of Chattel

13:58

slavery in Texas. leading to

14:00

an increase. In the and slave population.

14:03

American and Flavor is began migrating

14:05

to the Mexican province of Texas

14:07

where they established a society like

14:09

those developing at the same time

14:12

in Mississippi and Alabama. Tensions.

14:14

Quickly rose between these Anglo settlers

14:16

and My. Government of Mexico. Which.

14:19

You know it was a Mexican province

14:21

and. Yeah so low. Get the

14:23

ah fuck out that I'm a

14:25

part of me wonders and and

14:27

don't accept me on this but.

14:30

Eighteen Twenty One is. I

14:32

wonder if the rumblings of the end of

14:34

slavery. Were on the way and I

14:36

start though as point. There had been

14:38

a lot to ban the importation

14:41

of enslaved. Africa, right? So they're earning

14:43

further and further west to get away.

14:45

Yeah, They're heading away and. There

14:48

is more effort to literally

14:50

breed human beings, said. Settlers.

14:53

In the region eventually rebelled from Mexico

14:56

and Eighteen Thirty Six and established the

14:58

Republic of Texas. By. This time,

15:00

over five thousand inflate people of

15:02

African descent lived in Texas. From.

15:05

Eighteen Thirty Six And Eighteen Forty Five.

15:07

And Slavers From The American South. Poured.

15:09

Into this new nation between

15:12

the borders of the United

15:14

States and Mexico. After Texas

15:16

Independence, black lives were saved

15:18

by legal constraints, enslavement, and

15:20

violence. Free. Black people struggled

15:22

with new laws banning them from

15:24

living in the state. What the

15:26

other majority of black Texans remained

15:28

in slaved. Texas' enslaved population

15:30

grew rapidly. There were thirty thousand

15:32

and slave people in Texas by

15:34

eighteen, forty five. By. Eighteen fifties,

15:37

there were fifty Eight thousand. Last

15:39

ten years later, in eighteen sixty,

15:41

the number had increased to about

15:43

one hundred and eighty three. Oh

15:45

My. God. that at the set

15:47

us and Gostin yeah, disgusting and

15:49

horrifying Near June teens commemorating the

15:51

emancipation of Enslaved people has it's

15:54

roots in Texas. On June

15:56

Nineteenth, Eighteen Sixty Five at the end

15:58

of the Civil War. And over to. The

16:00

years after President Lincoln issue

16:02

the Emancipation Proclamation, General Gordon

16:04

Granger landed in Galveston and

16:06

declared that enslavement was ended.

16:09

However, many black people in

16:11

Texas remained and slave for

16:13

months and in rare cases

16:15

years. When their owners refused

16:18

to release them, many newly

16:20

emancipated formerly enslaved people of

16:22

African descent celebrated their freedom from

16:24

American chattel slavery at the

16:26

holiday known as June T. The

16:28

Student T. T P.

16:32

Celebrate. With me, it's my favorite

16:34

holiday now. The June eighteenth Commemoration has

16:36

been a Texas Day holiday since Nineteen

16:39

Eighty and was recognized as a Federal

16:41

Holidays and Twenty Twenty One by Joe

16:43

Bahrain. Yeah, yeah, that was a really

16:46

cool they it was there are you

16:48

go work that day but it was

16:50

a close up up up up up

16:53

up. After

16:55

reconstruction which failed seven years

16:57

after emancipation due to state

16:59

sanctioned white balance. White.

17:01

Texans utilized even more violence, intimidation,

17:04

and legal means to limit black

17:06

suffrage and passed a poll tax

17:09

and ninety know to to restrict

17:11

the political participation of poor people

17:13

of all races. Texas was me

17:16

only place to do this. To.is

17:18

the only when we're talking about in that

17:20

episode. Yeah, so. Laws requiring segregation

17:23

of railroad cars, waiting

17:25

rooms, rest rooms, restaurant,

17:27

entertainment establishments, and residential

17:29

neighborhoods also restricted black

17:31

mobility and advancement. During

17:33

the late nineteenth and twentieth

17:35

centuries, the Ku Klux Klan

17:38

and acted violence and terror

17:40

on black Texans and lynching

17:42

became an increasingly prevalent form

17:44

of racial intimidation. Between.

17:46

Eighteen Eighty Five. In Nineteen Forty

17:48

Two, there were four hundred and

17:50

sixty eight documented systems of lynching

17:52

in Texas. the vast majority of

17:54

whom or black. That's. Four

17:57

Hundred and sixty. Eight documented

17:59

murders, It likely no

18:01

one answered for wow. Talk

18:04

about a true crime. Yeah, so

18:06

while Black Texans fought against discrimination

18:08

and repression, They. Also organized

18:10

in their neighborhoods, participated in more

18:13

effort of the First and Second

18:15

World wars and influence the larger

18:18

state of Texas with valuable cultural,

18:20

political and economic contributions. That's right,

18:22

be unsafe. His country. That.

18:27

Some events the end of

18:29

as Acid or Harriet period.

18:32

Today. Texas has the largest black

18:34

population in the United States, with

18:36

about four point two million black

18:38

Americans. But. Despite progress,

18:41

racism persists affecting Black

18:43

Texans daily lives and

18:46

opportunities. Now. Some

18:48

have wondered if remaining in the state

18:50

makes sense for them. Others are determined

18:52

to stay and advocate for a more

18:54

equal and just government. Texas seems

18:56

to be on a mission to

18:58

in my this is my observations

19:00

to diminish that humanity and power

19:02

of anybody who's traditionally been marginalia

19:05

might see I see Texas. Yeah,

19:08

And Texas was founded by white

19:10

men who were determined to expand

19:12

slavery westward. And today the

19:15

success that legislature is. Go

19:17

mostly white and male. In

19:19

recent years, Texas' republican

19:21

controlled state government. Has.

19:24

Limited how America's history of

19:26

racism is taught in public

19:28

schools, Restricted voting options heavily

19:30

used by people of color

19:32

and protected the Geo Peace

19:34

grip on power with new

19:36

political map said diminish the

19:38

power of voters of color.

19:40

Texas is home to count.

19:42

I'm fifty two organizations designated

19:44

as hate group. including.

19:46

The White Nationalist Patriot Front, and

19:48

several chapters of The Proud Boys.

19:51

Texas also played a big role

19:53

in the January Six Insurrection or

19:56

if you watch Fox News January

19:58

Six Spring Break party. According

20:00

to the Department of Justice, more

20:02

than sixty Texans were among the

20:04

whole facing. Federal charges.

20:06

Wow. Area and action

20:08

with the Capital Riots. Slash

20:11

Breach. Wow. Yeah,

20:13

that's a lot. Fuck, that is

20:15

a lot considering how many states

20:17

we have them send. It is

20:19

now. But. Black communities

20:22

in Texas persistently work towards chains

20:24

advocating for equity, education and representation

20:27

for black people and any one

20:29

marginalized And I should say this

20:31

quarter corner okay, equality is everybody

20:34

gets the same thing right and

20:36

equity is everybody gets with the

20:38

need. To throughout the right. That's

20:41

enough. yet. Despite. Being subjected

20:43

to racism and oppression in

20:45

the form of enslavement, segregation,

20:48

and violence, Black Texans have

20:50

created culture and community and

20:52

have improved the state of

20:55

Texas with valuable cultural and

20:57

historical contributions. And say, don't

20:59

get any as isn't for

21:02

the com mani All wow

21:04

man, yeah. But. Let's

21:06

get into the story of

21:08

Reginald Kimbrough and his early

21:11

life of As. Well.

21:13

Goose Eggs we couldn't find

21:15

anything about it. Can't brothers

21:17

early life including his birthday,

21:19

but. Sort. Of based on his

21:22

aides noted in various year than articles.

21:24

And stuff like that, he must have

21:26

been born around Ninety Ninety Three. Somewhere

21:28

around there. Yet somewhere out there, nan

21:30

it's been reported that in Nineteen Ninety

21:33

Four, So. When he was a

21:35

baby, his. Father. Eugene Reginald

21:37

Hambro. And that K E M B

21:39

our own? I don't know. Why their names

21:41

are spelled differently but they are

21:44

okay. He was convicted of voluntary

21:46

manslaughter in Dallas County. He was

21:48

originally charged with murder. He pleaded

21:50

guilty and was sentenced to ten

21:52

years in prison. We could not

21:54

find any details about what happened.

21:56

So the last name's spelling saying

21:58

that? Yeah, I I'm just speculating.

22:00

He are okay, but even my

22:02

own father's name is spelled. Wrong. And

22:05

his birth certificate? His black man born in the

22:07

fifties? Yeah. Beyond say is. Part.

22:09

Of her story is that her one

22:11

of her relatives name's was misspelled. In

22:14

the forties or fifties on a birth

22:16

certificate and that powers that be would

22:18

not let them change it young and

22:20

so make Maybe that's by to be

22:22

say we keep her father Ah So

22:25

has convictions in Dallas County for burglary,

22:27

T W I took position and being

22:29

a felon unlawfully possessing A. So.

22:31

We know that at least on

22:34

his father's side. And it

22:36

would appear that he did not

22:38

have the best paternal role model,

22:40

right? right? Kimbrell lived in

22:42

Plano, Texas and after he graduated from

22:44

high school, he joined the Navy. So

22:47

there you go on your serial killer

22:49

bingo Yeah, Is there It is a

22:51

military? There is Fox and when he

22:53

was discharged he ended up. In Arkansas.

22:56

On his Facebook page, Kimbrell claimed to

22:58

be a marketing student at the University

23:01

of Arkansas Beginning and Twenty Six Team.

23:04

The. University, however, said it didn't have

23:06

any record of him being a student

23:08

there. He has been

23:10

described as popular, gregarious, and charming.

23:12

One girlfriend described him as quote

23:14

unquote the life of a party

23:16

and I don't think he had

23:19

any problems finding girlfriends. yeah, I

23:21

don't think so either here. So

23:23

let's get into the timeline. In.

23:25

Twenty Twelve Melissa Winton was eighteen years

23:27

old and had just started her senior

23:29

year of high school. On Friday night,

23:31

seen a friend, went to the mall

23:33

and walk into. A surf shop where Kimbrell

23:36

was fourteen. He. Was nineteen at

23:38

the time and Melissa Kimbrell flirt and

23:40

a little bit and I ended up

23:42

exchanging telephone numbers that night. Kimber attack

23:44

said Melissa an invited her to his

23:47

house. He told her to come in

23:49

through his bedroom window because his parents were

23:51

asleep. Member. Those days oh

23:53

my gosh. Remember the days where

23:55

you are like a teenager aisles

23:57

away from your a home day?

24:02

Oh my God. Yes yeah I

24:04

remember those days since I buy

24:06

well this stuff when read teenagers.

24:09

Yeah yet when your guns and

24:11

you'll free and sas yeah it's

24:13

it's of the million people do.

24:16

yeah it is. Yeah so Melissa

24:18

once his house and they toss

24:20

and then when Timber made a

24:22

few moves she said no. And.

24:25

That is when he told her that

24:27

he could get oral sex for two

24:29

hundred dollars to think of. Nowhere. Got

24:32

a million solicited are pretty sure Melissa

24:34

didn't even ask? Yeah, and so Melissa

24:36

was caught very off guard and immediately

24:39

wanted to leave. Kimber walked her

24:41

to her car, acting, you know, apologetic, oh,

24:43

I'm so sorry, And then Melissa went to

24:45

give him a hug. And the

24:47

next thing she knew, she was on

24:50

the ground. Yikes! So. Her

24:52

pants were pulled down and Timber was on top

24:54

of her with his hands around. Her throat.

24:57

She became light headed as Kimbrough violently

24:59

raped her. He would tell her to

25:01

shut up and he put his hand

25:03

over her face to muffle her. He.

25:05

Told her quote you're lucky to still be.

25:07

Here Unquote. Terrifying. Young

25:10

so Melissa remembered thinking.

25:12

Quote: I'm never gonna see my family again

25:14

And never gonna see sunlight. Like. This

25:16

is it. Unquote. Kimbrell. Forced

25:18

her back into her car and they

25:20

drove for hours. Finally, Heed

25:23

and out of the car and she went home and

25:25

ran straight to her parents' room to tell. Them

25:27

the she had been raped. Ah one. and

25:29

I mean that night. Parents were a site

25:31

mayor. Yeah, yeah. And. I wonder

25:34

if he was contemplating killing

25:36

her at that time? Who

25:38

driving around. I wondered how

25:40

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Melissa's parents took her to the Ers

28:46

were a nurse did a rape kit

28:48

and then they went to the police.

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Melissa told her story multiple times to

28:53

Detective John Hoffman Bad quickly realized that

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he didn't believe her. At one

28:58

point he even asked if she kind of enjoyed

29:00

it. Yeah. This was

29:02

a Dateline episode. Yeah, I

29:04

saw the interview and was

29:06

like horrifying mouth agape like.

29:08

Was. Yeah, so please. Then

29:11

spoke with Kimbrough. And he claimed

29:13

that the sex with Melissa was consensual.

29:15

That. Melissa was just angry that she couldn't

29:17

spend the night at his house. Kimbrell.

29:20

Consented to a polygraph which he

29:22

passed and Detective Hoffman decided that

29:24

there was no case. Plano Police

29:26

later said that they didn't file

29:28

any charges against him burrow at

29:30

the time because Melissa said she

29:32

didn't want to pursue a case.

29:34

But according to Melissa, she was

29:36

not. Believed And so she just kind

29:38

of gave up. Yeah, And you can't

29:41

blame her for doing that. Yeah I

29:43

mean I know with said this before

29:45

but some the essay advocates call the

29:47

police interview like the second attack or

29:50

at an additional attack yeah after the

29:52

initial one because of what they put

29:54

you through. And as how poor

29:57

they can make more of them. Yeah,

29:59

yeah. In January twenty fourteen,

30:01

a woman in Allen, Texas survived

30:03

the similar rape, strangulation, an attempted

30:05

murder. The. Night of the attack, the

30:07

victim and Kimbrough were attending a party at a

30:10

home and Allen. They. Had not

30:12

previously met. A. Friend later found

30:14

her covered and leaves and debris outside

30:16

a wrought. Iron fence obscured by a

30:18

line of hedges. She had been

30:20

sexually assaulted. She. Also had strangulation

30:23

marks around her neck, a busted

30:25

blood vessel in her left eye,

30:27

a head wound, A cut lip

30:29

and chester britain. so she was really

30:31

fucked up and I think Kimbrell may

30:33

have thought. She was dead. Oh

30:36

yeah, these injuries seem to indicate

30:38

a violent attack. Yes, The detective

30:40

in the Allen case, Kevan Miller,

30:43

also did not believe the victim.

30:45

More. Of this and were young year twenty

30:48

fourteen self yeah she later said quote he

30:50

tried to intimidate me and hope that my

30:52

story was false and that. I would

30:54

be scared enough to admit that. He. Told

30:57

me that thirty percent of the girls

30:59

that sit across. From me in this

31:01

room or lying on quo my god.

31:03

This detectives sit. A.be detective. You

31:05

know these kinds of crimes know.

31:07

So a rape victim filed a

31:10

complaint against him in March of

31:12

twenty seventeen. And we don't know if

31:14

it's the same woman and the complaint is against

31:16

a detective. Is our I guess I

31:19

guess they detective? Yeah yeah, so yeah.

31:21

this guy sounds awful. Oh yeah

31:23

I'm all know that the yeah in the

31:25

city saying about this case and many like

31:27

it that we cover is. This happens

31:29

yeah, more than we like. And to

31:31

says what. Ten years ago in a

31:34

night out long ago the and Galley

31:36

and one of the better than I

31:38

believe that we knew better than a

31:40

we did hear when police questioned Kimbrough

31:42

he denied having anything to do with

31:44

the attack according to police documents. He.

31:47

Said his Dna would not be found

31:49

on the victim. And. Provided

31:51

a dna sample. To. Investigators.

31:54

It took years for the Dna

31:56

results. the come back years years

31:58

into Harrys. Fourteen. Can

32:00

I drive a pack a bit? Africa?

32:02

This. Guy, they're not. So in

32:04

the meantime, Kimbrough is free, the

32:07

do and everyone, and well, now.

32:09

So. In March, Twenty Fourteen, a young

32:11

woman named Td Coats who just turned

32:14

twenty years old went to Spring Break

32:16

at South Padre Island. It's a barrier

32:18

island on the Texas Gulf Coast known

32:21

for it's nice beaches, white sand, clearwater,

32:23

all that stuff. Yeah, and that normally

32:25

peaceful, quiet and for three weeks in

32:27

March, thousands of college kids more me

32:30

Island during Spring Break. Katie met Kimbrell

32:32

at South Padre Island during that Twenty

32:34

Fourteen Spring Break. She. Said he

32:36

was very popular and seemed like a nice guy.

32:39

And. One night she an some friends went

32:41

out to a club and afterwards that all

32:43

went down to a hot tub and Camera

32:46

was there. At some point she was ready

32:48

to leave and Kimbrell offered to walk Katie

32:50

back to her room. On the

32:52

way they kissed but she needed to

32:54

use the restroom so Kimbrell locked her

32:56

to the hotel ladies room. When Katie

32:59

went into the restroom and turned around

33:01

to set the cellar door she saw

33:03

Kimbrough coming towards her. She did not

33:05

invite him in and when Katie looked

33:07

into his eyes see panicked see new

33:10

by his look when she saw him

33:12

coming into the stall that she was

33:14

in trouble. And. Can you

33:16

imagine like. You're expecting this

33:18

guy to protect you. Yeah, and he's

33:20

the guy who attacks you. Yeah, or

33:23

at least you don't expect an attack

33:25

right? Yeah, you're having fun. You're doing

33:27

young people saying zero re enjoying spring

33:29

break like this should be a fun

33:32

time. And there's no to indicate to

33:34

most of us in this a kind

33:36

of environment that something bad is going

33:38

to happen. Yeah and I to sell

33:41

for their and all of the victims

33:43

in this case. So he set the

33:45

door and he locked it. then. Started

33:47

to strangle katie kid. He was

33:50

terrified. So she just did whatever he wanted

33:52

her to do. Kimbrell. Raped her, Kid.

33:54

He says all that she could do was

33:56

try to survive. After about fifteen minutes Katie

33:58

that away and ran. Kimberly.

34:01

Just strolled out. About.

34:03

Thirty seconds later Katie found a hotel

34:05

worker who walked her to her room

34:07

one of friends as there and ask

34:09

what was wrong. Another. One noticed

34:12

bruises on her neck. Her. Friends

34:14

insisted that Katie should go to the hospital

34:16

and she didn't want to, but she summoned

34:18

the will power and the courage to report

34:20

her read. At the hospital,

34:22

a nurse and a sexual assault

34:25

exam backed up her story. Soon

34:27

she was answering detectives questions at

34:29

the South Padre Island Police Department.

34:31

And. Kimbrough was arrested. The story

34:34

he told was the same as

34:36

what he told police about Melissa's

34:38

rape. He said it was just

34:40

consensual sex, but in this case,

34:42

police didn't believe his story and

34:45

found Katie credible. However, the district

34:47

attorney apparently did not. Later.

34:49

A prosecutor said that this case was

34:51

dropped. In October, Twenty Fourteen. Because

34:53

officials were waiting for Dna results,

34:56

Which. Didn't come for years. Yeah,

34:58

I don't understand why they take

35:00

so long. Yeah well there was

35:02

a backlog at That's right, that's

35:05

right and out. Olivia from as

35:07

the you yeah see Mr donated

35:09

bunch of money or or or

35:11

raised a bunch of funds to

35:14

try to help with this backlog.

35:16

Mariska Hargitay I party he yard

35:18

okay suddenly an any a bit

35:21

you know now that we're talking

35:23

S S S S. Molly.

35:25

Matheson graduated from Fort Worth Timber

35:27

Create High School. In Twenty Twelve,

35:29

she attended the University of Arkansas

35:31

studying to be a social worker

35:33

and hopes one day to work

35:35

with trebled use. An. As

35:37

an aside, the University of Arkansas as

35:40

in Sam Fill, Arkansas. And is

35:42

around a five hour drive from the Dallas

35:44

Fort Worth area which I didn't know I

35:46

didn't know that was so close. And

35:48

I was talking to family member

35:51

who lives in Fayetteville. I have

35:53

family in sample Iowa. They told

35:55

me that a lot of Texans

35:58

attend. The University of Arkansas. Because

36:00

haven't agreements with Texas? Yeah,

36:03

and Texans can pay in

36:05

state tuition to go there.

36:07

Oh, that's cool. Okay Eric

36:09

or another snake you for

36:11

that Arkansas cornerback? Go Arkansas

36:13

Corner. Ssssss.

36:16

Somalia has been described as

36:18

hilarious, quirky, silly, devoted, kind,

36:20

accepting, compassionate, an authentic. Molly

36:22

met Kimbrough through Tinder the

36:25

App for Dating in Dating

36:27

when she was attending the

36:29

University of Arkansas. They dated

36:31

for a while, but broke

36:33

up. After their breakup, Kimbrell

36:35

started dating Molly's former college roommate,

36:37

Megan Louis. In the spring

36:39

twenty fifteen semester, Molly was feeling

36:41

overwhelmed and see withdrew from school

36:43

to take a break. She.

36:45

Moved into a garage apartment near

36:48

Texas Christian University and she started

36:50

taking classes at Terence County College

36:52

on April ninth. Twenty seventeen. Molly

36:55

initiated a text conversation with Kimbrell

36:57

and he came over to her

36:59

apartment. That. Day Megan the with spoke

37:01

with Kimbrell on the phone. They. Had broken

37:04

up but we're still friends. Kimbo told Megan

37:06

that he was at his sister's house working

37:08

on her car and he said he was

37:10

going to have to let her go because

37:12

get a run to a friend's house. On.

37:14

April Tenth, Two thousand and seventeen. Molly's

37:17

mother, Tracy, went looking for her after

37:19

she didn't show up for work. Tracy

37:21

found her daughter's body in the bathroom

37:23

of her apartment. There. Was no

37:25

sign of. Forced entry. I

37:28

feel for them and they're

37:30

finding her our toggle yeah

37:32

I sounds my mom when

37:35

side new. oh no. And

37:37

I mean that was bad By as

37:39

can't imagine finding a child the yeah

37:41

I don't even want to talk about

37:44

it not going Okay okay. Well

37:47

ah, Molly had been sexually

37:49

assaulted. And strangled. Investigators found

37:51

a bench seat and clothing in

37:54

the washing machine, including a pair

37:56

of men's underwear. Police. Believe that

37:58

the killer tried to cover his tracks by getting

38:00

rid of the evidence in the. Washing machine

38:02

but he forgot his underwear. We're. Looking.

38:06

At Molly's phone, they saw that she had

38:08

been texting someone, but they didn't know who.

38:10

Molly. Had known Kimbrough for a long

38:12

time and yet his number wasn't in her

38:15

phone under his name. it was just a

38:17

random number. Oh, Police later surmise that

38:19

they must have had some sort. Of falling

38:21

out at some point and she

38:23

deleted him from her contacts. Okay,

38:26

the. Following. Day On April eleventh,

38:28

Megan Louis called Kimbrell to tell him

38:30

that Molly was ted. Kimbrell.

38:32

Acted surprised saying that he just seen

38:35

her. She. Urged him to go to

38:37

the police as they would find evidence of him being

38:39

at the apartment. On. April fourteenth:

38:41

Two Thousand and Seventeen. Police.

38:43

Question Kimbrough: He denied having anything

38:46

to do with Molly's murder. He.

38:48

Confirmed that he had met Molly when

38:50

they were both living in Arkansas. Said

38:52

they had been in a dating relationship

38:54

at that time, but she eventually move

38:56

back home to the Dallas Fort Worth

38:58

area. They. Have lost touch since

39:00

around twenty fifteen, but they had recently

39:02

reconnected again. Kimbrell told police that on

39:05

the night of the murder, Molly texted

39:07

him and invited him over to hang

39:09

out, so he came over at about

39:11

ten thirty. He. Said they smoke

39:14

some weed, watch netflix and chatted.

39:16

He. Claimed that they started making now, but she

39:18

shut him down, saying that she didn't feel

39:20

right about it. And he left before.

39:22

One. Thirty in the morning. But.

39:24

Police had already checked security cameras

39:27

in the area and they knew

39:29

that he laughed. At two am,

39:31

police began to ask Kimbrough specific

39:33

questions about the timeframe he was

39:35

with my. Camera. Became upset

39:37

and said that he wanted to end the

39:39

interview. Police took his cell and a dna

39:41

sample but they didn't have enough to hold

39:43

him so he left. According to

39:45

police, he left angry. Police. Ran

39:48

a criminal history on Kimbrough and learned

39:50

that he had been arrested for a

39:52

sexual assault in Plano in two thousand

39:55

and Twelve and in South Padre Island

39:57

in twenty fourteen. Partners. Police.

40:00

Plano Police and asked if they

40:02

would hold him on the Melissa

40:04

Winton case and they said no.

40:07

Okay, Another see yeah by those

40:09

police departments. Yeah! so there were

40:11

two other men that molly new,

40:14

a current boyfriend and a man

40:16

who seem. To be pursuing her.

40:18

The police were able to clear them

40:20

both and they focused on Kimbrough. Police.

40:23

Were able to get an electricity usage

40:25

report for Molly's house for April ninth

40:27

and tenth when I believe she was

40:29

murdered. It. Revealed that from midnight

40:31

to about one thirty Am, electricity

40:33

usage was pretty normal, but at

40:35

one forty five am, it took

40:37

a big jump. I love

40:39

this kind of our investigative like

40:42

real investigating. You know I as

40:44

love looking at these little details.

40:46

yeah sitting the puzzle pieces together?

40:48

Yeah this is this is what

40:51

real detective work is in my

40:53

mind this is the at how

40:55

cases get solved and I just

40:57

I love to see it. Yeah,

41:00

so they ran the washing machine

41:02

to see what that would do

41:04

to the electricity and basically replicated

41:06

exactly what they saw in the

41:09

usage. Report: So Kimbrough was there when

41:11

the washing machine was started because they

41:13

knew from the surveillance video that he'd

41:15

left at two am. But.

41:18

They didn't have a toxicology your

41:20

dna results yet they did not

41:22

have enough to make a case

41:24

yet. In the meantime, just

41:26

four days after Molly's murder and

41:28

the same day that camera was

41:31

questioned on Friday, April fourteenth, two

41:33

thousand and seventeen, Megan Get from

41:35

thirty six went for her usual

41:38

after work hike at the Arbor

41:40

Hills Nature Preserve in Plano. Megan.

41:43

That was a young woman who

41:45

enjoyed yoga and she loved her

41:47

cats at work. She really enjoyed

41:49

helping people solve problems using her

41:51

computer skills. She enjoyed playing games

41:53

with a group of friends who

41:56

had been meeting for over fifteen

41:58

years to play games. I. Love

42:00

this. I love that. Yeah and

42:02

she love to travel and her

42:04

last big adventure to Chris You

42:06

India Company by her grandparents And

42:08

she does sound like an incredible

42:10

of and yeah she sounds like

42:12

a woman after my own Her:

42:14

yeah that's why he feels like

42:16

this is insufficient. It. Says Smith

42:19

Suffolk as as. As

42:21

she walked the trails, she texted

42:24

her mom diane. Her. Family did

42:26

not hear from her again but nobody

42:28

thought anything was wrong until Sunday. When

42:30

Megan didn't show up to your brother Jeff's

42:33

birthday party. Than. On Monday she didn't

42:35

show up for work. That's when your brother

42:37

went to her apartment to check on her.

42:39

The. Lights were on, there was a pile

42:41

of probably clean laundry waiting to be folded,

42:44

and it just looks like she stepped out

42:46

for a minute and hadn't made it back

42:48

yet. Her brother thought was, she's just busy.

42:51

The. Next morning, just woke up at five

42:53

am and drove back to his sister's apartment

42:55

and found it to be in the exact

42:57

same state as how he sounded the night

43:00

before. Her. Wallet and keys were on

43:02

the kids encounter. Her laptop was there

43:04

and they found her car parked outside

43:06

of her building. Make and family

43:08

decided that they needed to call. The Police.

43:11

On Police looked at surveillance video from

43:13

Friday night. He saw her walking towards

43:15

the nature preserve at about seven pm.

43:17

Everything looks fine but Megan have never

43:19

seen again. The. Next morning, police

43:22

learned that on April fifteenth, the

43:24

body of an unidentified woman was

43:26

found in Lake Re. Hubbard, which

43:28

is over twenty miles away. It

43:31

was Megan. Investigators were able

43:33

to determine that Megan had

43:35

been murdered. Son. Alex get

43:37

into the investigation and the arrest.

43:40

As. Luck would have it, it turned

43:42

out that police had done a curfew check

43:44

out the nature preserve the night that Megan

43:47

went missing. They. Spoke to some

43:49

teenagers who told them about a man

43:51

who was acting suspicious. The. Said the

43:53

man was kinda circling around them in his

43:55

car, a blue Buick Park Avenue. And.

43:58

He then got out and approach. Them asking

44:00

if they had seen a phone. He.

44:02

Said he was at the park earlier in the day

44:04

and had lost it. He. Was described

44:06

as a black male in his

44:08

early twenty's Officers weren't too concerned

44:10

about a man looking for a

44:12

last phone, but on their way

44:14

out, they drove by a blue

44:16

Buick Park Avenue. They. Decided to

44:19

run the tags which came back to

44:21

an older black male that didn't match

44:23

the description of the suspicious person that

44:25

was reported in the park. However, it

44:28

did match the owner's son, Reginald Kimbrough.

44:30

They made note of it and went

44:32

on their way. Going. Back over

44:34

the information the officers collected on

44:36

that Friday night, investigator soon learned

44:38

that Kimbrough was also a person

44:40

of interest in Molly's murder in

44:42

Fort Worth. With the news of

44:44

another murder detected in Fort Worth

44:46

realize that they had waited too

44:48

long, they went ahead and issued

44:50

a warrant for the murder of

44:52

Molly. Kimber was taken into custody.

44:55

By the play know Swat team as he

44:57

left his father's home. And. Brought back

44:59

to Fort Worth. Authorities went

45:01

public about an arrest due to

45:03

some tension that the crime had

45:06

caused around Texas Christian. University if

45:08

you remember. Molly lived over by

45:10

Texas Christian University and people were kind

45:12

of freaking out. By

45:15

at. Fort Worth Police refused to

45:17

release Timbers identity so as

45:19

to quote preserve the integrity

45:21

of the ongoing investigation. Unquote.

45:23

Okay, I mean they had

45:25

somebody in custody so. I.

45:28

You know this is one of those

45:30

were the okay let the let the

45:32

authorities do do what they gotta do.

45:34

I mean they're necessarily doing more than

45:37

most had done. I'm sorry for other

45:39

on we as it is and my

45:41

another one's sit flat. On April Twenty

45:44

eight, Fort Worth Police announced that twenty

45:46

three year old Reginald Kimbrell had been

45:48

arrested in relation Tamales murder. Kimbrell was

45:50

connected to Molly's murder through Dna, cell

45:53

phone records, electricity usage, And surveillance

45:55

cameras. They. Actually found cameras dna

45:57

on the underwear in the washing machine.

46:00

And in the shower. or they

46:02

found Molly's body. They're getting so

46:04

good at detecting zero mass. Yeah

46:07

they are. Ah man. Side of

46:09

love and like a. Less.

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48:12

When. The toxicology came back. it showed

48:14

that Molly have the date rape. Ch

48:17

be in her system.

48:19

Oh wow. Yeah, okay on

48:21

that thing we'd seen in the other

48:24

ones yet. I think he had been

48:26

using it in some of them. Yeah,

48:28

Oh he's. So.

48:30

Please connected Kimbrough to Meghan murder

48:32

using Dna. And the witnesses put him

48:34

in the parking lot of the Nature. Preserve at

48:36

the time of her disappearance. Dna.

48:39

Evidence showed Megan's body had been in

48:41

the trunk of cameras Buick. And

48:43

that he had sexually assaulted her.

48:45

Dna also linked Kimbrough to the

48:48

sexual assault as Melissa Winton in

48:50

Plano in Twenty Twelve of Katie

48:52

Codes and South Padre and Twenty

48:55

Fourteen the unnamed Women in Allen

48:57

and Twenty Fourteen. And while he

49:00

was being investigated for murder, a

49:02

fourth victim and Mckinney came forward.

49:05

More than a month before Molly and

49:07

Make and were killed. Our police

49:10

receive the Dna results from the rape.

49:12

Kit in their twenty fourteen case. The.

49:14

Dna match Kimbrough, who was already

49:17

the primary. Suspect. but nothing

49:19

was done by that jurisdiction.

49:21

Yeah, and. This was a

49:23

month before the murder as an

49:25

ad in Oh My God. Wow.

49:28

Talk about a fuck up.

49:30

Yeah, that's a big set

49:33

up. Fisher, all for women.

49:35

The survivors were prepared to

49:37

testify against Kimbrough at trial.

49:39

Or it's a let's get into the trial

49:42

Salween, Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay,

49:44

so the trial of Reginald Can Burrow was

49:46

over before it ever started. Because he

49:48

agreed to plead guilty to the Twenty

49:50

Seventeen murders of Molly Matheson and Make

49:52

and Get Trump as well as for

49:55

sexual assaults from Twenty Twelve and Twenty.

49:57

Four team those of Melissa Winton, Katie

49:59

Coats. The unnamed woman and Allen

50:01

and The And A Move and Mckinney

50:03

in addition to entering guilty pleas camera

50:06

waived all appeals. Kimbrough, who is twenty

50:08

eight at the time, was sentenced to

50:10

life in prison without the possibility of.

50:13

Parole so. Is. Gone Forever.

50:15

Good. Yes, I don't

50:17

see any problem with yeah

50:19

that Satiric County District Attorney's

50:22

Office Prosecutor Alaina Bangs said

50:24

quote residents Kimbrell is a

50:26

serial rapist and a serial

50:28

killer. He used his personality

50:30

and charm to attract women or

50:32

drug them when that did not

50:34

work. He talked his way

50:36

out of case after case until

50:38

his violence culminated in the deaths of

50:41

Molly Masks and and Meghan Get from

50:43

Unquote. So. Now let's get

50:45

into where are they now? Tell

50:48

Spent Kimbrell, as we said, was

50:50

sentenced to life in prison without

50:52

parole. And he is currently

50:54

serving his time at the Elysee

50:57

on it, a Texas Department of

50:59

Criminal Justice prison located twelve miles

51:01

north of Huntsville. The survivors of

51:03

sexual assault and trauma found solace.

51:06

In support group. Mental. Health

51:08

professionals offered counselling to those who

51:10

were affected by the crimes. Also,

51:12

community leaders organized town hall meetings

51:15

to address. Concerns. Awareness

51:17

campaigns focused on self defense,

51:19

safety precautions, and reporting procedures.

51:21

Memorials were held to honor

51:23

the victims Molly Matheson and

51:25

Megan Get From. These. Gatherings

51:28

allowed people to express grief,

51:30

share memories, and find comfort

51:32

in each other's presence. The

51:34

tragedy prompted discussions about safety

51:36

measures. Residents advocated for

51:38

better lighting, increased police patrols,

51:41

and improve security and public

51:43

spaces. Kimberly crimes also

51:45

lead to changes in to

51:47

state laws related to both

51:49

sexual assault survivors and data

51:51

used to track potential serial

51:53

rapists and murderers. which these

51:56

are good things I just.

51:58

Wish they had things in after. Lapin.

52:00

And. Other thing is a comment about

52:02

and yeah yeah. Molly. Jane's

52:05

Law named after Molly Jane

52:07

Matheson and spearheaded by her

52:09

parents non profit organization Project

52:11

Beloved. Became. Law in the

52:14

State of Texas On September first, Twenty

52:16

nineteen. Molly. James states that

52:18

when law enforcement in Texas

52:20

investigates a case of sexual

52:23

assault, They have to use

52:25

Vi Cap or the Violent Criminal

52:27

Apprehension Program to input. Information about

52:29

the reported a fender and the

52:31

details of the offense. Oh. That's

52:33

that's really interesting. That seems like an

52:35

improvement. It. Seems like they said

52:37

have been doing that bird I'm a

52:40

man and a lot. Yeah, yeah. Okay

52:42

so Molly's father, David Matheson said quote.

52:44

It. Doesn't change anything. Doesn't take away the

52:46

hurt. But. We're glad this day

52:49

is here. Tomorrow. The sun is going

52:51

to come up and we're going to be thinking

52:53

about Molly and will think about these. Girls

52:55

Unquote: So. That's it

52:57

for the details of the case. Now we're. Going

52:59

to talk about our thoughts: What do you think about this

53:01

case? Bath. Well. It's it's.

53:03

really. Sad of good

53:06

fats. Am I was thinking

53:08

about this offender? And it seems

53:10

like in my opinion, yeah, he's

53:13

more like Ted Bundy than a

53:15

lot of. A serial killers that we

53:17

cover. I. Can see that because

53:19

of the charm. Yeah, he's described

53:22

as gregarious and charming, and that

53:24

he seemed like a nice guy.

53:26

In other words, a wolf in

53:28

sheep's clothing vs. Cena. What Ted

53:30

Bundy was. He wasn't

53:33

as strategic as Bundy, but

53:35

he was somewhat calculating paint.

53:37

He did take advantage of

53:39

situations where I don't. Other.

53:41

Funny. May have to. I mean later I

53:43

was gonna say later on in his career. Say

53:49

that or later on he started to lose

53:51

control And he started it isn't. Doing

53:53

sloppy. but yeah, getting real sloppy. but

53:55

at the beginning. He was super

53:58

calculating the so can. Burrow

54:00

is able to talk his way

54:02

out of some of his crimes

54:04

I great see on rapes near

54:06

and also there was said to

54:08

a polygraph test that he took

54:11

and he passed random that indicates

54:13

to me that he might be

54:15

a psychopath. Whoa! Whoa. Whoa.

54:17

Psychopaths are often able to pass

54:19

polygraphs com don't sit on get

54:22

nervous likely them. Wow

54:24

Oh my gosh see.

54:30

You always come with these oh

54:32

do you true crime like a

54:34

way that a read it somewhere

54:36

and I am alone away cause

54:38

I was like I was really

54:40

scratching my head like like how

54:42

can do without number one They're

54:44

not accurate and that's why they're

54:46

not allowed and courts as evidence

54:48

so like you can take a

54:50

polygraph. And sale it even

54:52

though you're innocent lives in

54:54

right has it even though

54:56

you're here till guilty. Yeah

54:58

so yeah, I read somewhere

55:00

that psychopaths can often pass

55:03

them easily. They just don't

55:05

get nervous when a polygraph

55:07

is doing is testing gear.

55:09

Reactions Yeah yeah. Thank.

55:12

You Ben, I'm of uranium. And everything

55:14

i'm up your brain brain but

55:17

terms yeah of his cases really?

55:19

Frustrating. Yeah, If the

55:21

police hadn't been such a good

55:23

ole boys club. Yeah. and twenty

55:26

twelve. And Twenty fourteen? Yeah, Yeah,

55:28

yeah. he might have been caught

55:30

after Melissa went into attack. Yeah,

55:32

it disgusts me and makes me

55:35

so angry. Didn't have. A cops

55:37

behave towards her and the alum victim.

55:39

Of a them like they were

55:41

like it was their fighters. yeah

55:43

they are had done something wrong

55:45

Yeah. Are they were lying? Know

55:47

they return or get this guy

55:50

or something. Yeah, Terrible? Yeah, absolutely.

55:52

I agree with you. I

55:54

wish we knew more about his early life. Yeah,

55:56

it does. I know I say that he you

55:59

know his the card. They found him in.

56:01

Was. Registered to his dad says

56:03

that Yemen and like incarcerated the

56:05

entire time of his childhood to

56:07

read did eventually come home certain

56:09

was in and liars Yeah he's

56:11

so young. Years when he was

56:13

a they started when he was

56:15

a baby from yeah he may

56:17

have been in his life when

56:19

he was like ten eleven. Yeah

56:22

are you know he may have

56:24

been in and out of his

56:26

life? May be. but you know

56:28

growing up around people who are

56:30

institutionalized and a half. Quite put

56:32

my finger on what that might do.

56:34

But. It's gonna fuck yeah. I

56:37

don't know if he has a

56:39

wonderful thing. Now I'm in what

56:41

I will Say effect on and

56:43

so I just had that thoughts.

56:45

And. He said, didn't you know

56:47

be charming in them I found it interesting

56:50

because he didn't come. Off as scary or

56:52

as like a didn't. Come off as

56:54

a didn't give danger predator vibe.

56:56

he and his crimes clearly escalated

56:58

from as a young on to

57:00

murder and then initial one melissa

57:03

yes came about essentially after see

57:05

rejected him right? yes that I

57:07

do not consent to this essentially

57:09

and and I see no thank

57:11

you yes the and and set

57:13

him off. And. Once he

57:16

was set off on what he was

57:18

capable of doing, one other person was

57:20

just like horror. anything? Yeah, you know

57:22

we've talked about how rate that like.

57:25

It. Tends to be a crime about

57:27

power, right? It's not really right. Sex?

57:29

It's about power. And. I'm

57:31

curious what inside of him made

57:33

him feel like he needed to

57:36

have dominion over another person's body

57:38

and eventually love their life. Yeah

57:40

I mean when he killed me

57:42

again to the was after he

57:44

had been questioned by the police

57:47

and it pissed them off and

57:49

then he went unfilled her the

57:51

same day? Yeah yeah I'm yes.

57:53

Thank you See. Puts it all together.

57:55

A forty five? That silly. As over

57:58

a rambling like this. The

58:00

best idea? What about? Very

58:02

well as a thank you.

58:04

That's what I was thinking

58:06

young and it's been so

58:09

interesting to me how we

58:11

come on this show for

58:13

every week. And. The

58:15

failures of the criminal legal system

58:17

are just so massive. Yeah, Years

58:20

was also. Use

58:22

Yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, you know it's

58:25

this weird because sometimes some with

58:27

no evidence against them can get

58:29

detained or jailed or incarcerated for

58:31

way less. Yeah, we've covered so

58:34

many other cases where men have

58:36

been convicted and wrong for hims

58:38

this in Iraq and they didn't

58:41

do it. And

58:43

Dna so definitive and identifying and

58:45

ruling out? That's what it's great

58:47

for. Yeah, and I just wish

58:49

that were more was done to

58:51

utilize it as an investigative. Tool

58:53

of the Earth system Hussein more

58:55

police bodies, more police guns are

58:57

doing. Know do a Dna near

59:00

says oh yeah, six if

59:02

I had. To keep communities safer

59:04

I think. and I also think

59:06

that he'll the sex crime investigators

59:08

they. Really really sucked

59:10

up here. I am

59:13

terrible and. Cel. I don't

59:15

believe I'm the only person seeking this,

59:17

but they have blood on their hands.

59:19

Yeah, don't you think they get an

59:21

anti and for sure for their jobs

59:24

at the very gently? Minus ah enough

59:26

minus minus cents for gas as and

59:28

you're just imagine if they had. Done.

59:31

For worries them the with yeah done

59:33

the works arm and the women who

59:35

came forward initially to report. And.

59:37

Who were Not believed? I am so sorry

59:39

that that happened to you. To

59:42

go through the assault and then look for help

59:44

and just simply. Not get it, it's

59:46

horrible. Yeah, this is horrible. So.

59:49

Less. So you think about this case Now

59:51

we're gonna talk about. Oh

59:53

how not. To give so. If.

59:58

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a true crime because they want to know what

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they can do. To be safer. This.

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it's just learning from other people's experiences.

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So this case made me think a

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lot about sexual assault and what to

1:00:25

do when that happens. I.

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Think that at least personally,

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so it happens more frequently than

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it should. An arms that should

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you. Well yes, he does it

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again. It never happened. But when

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savvy. In order to

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engage. In the systems that are supposed to

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