This has been Framework, where we dig into the research, planning and building that goes into bringing products to market. We've had a great run but we both decided it was time to tell different stories. Huge thanks to everyone to who joined us over the last couple of years, and thanks to you for listening.

The show owes a lot to The Spec Network for helping us make the show the best it could be. If you want to revisit Framework in the future, the show will stay live at framework.is. See you round!