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Four Finger Discount Dude! Welcome

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to Four Finger Discount. It is the

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Season 18 finale of the

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show. I'm very excited to get into this.

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We're going to be talking about our top

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five episodes. But for now, I'm Danda. And

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I am Guy. Yes, it's top five time.

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We have wrapped up the entire

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season. Eight full seasons you've done. No, you started. Yes,

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so eight full seasons you've done on the show now.

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That's correct. You've reviewed eight seasons

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of The Simpsons. Can you believe it? I

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cannot believe it. I

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can. I can. I can't. Yeah,

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and look, I think we were pleasantly surprised a lot

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of the time. I've got here in

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my notes Season 18, a mixed bag

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that had some absolute stinkers. Some really

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disappointing episodes. But also a lot of

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my favorite post-golden era episodes were

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in this season as well. And there were some that

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I completely forgotten about and maybe never even seen that.

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Really, to me by surprise, and I really enjoyed as

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well. So we're going to be getting to our top

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five. But there were certainly signs of

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burnout in this season, I thought, with many episodes

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seemingly running out of steam by the end of

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the episode, as well as just dragging ones out

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with filler. Yes, episodes that felt cobbled together out

1:20

of bits and pieces that lying around the writers'

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room, certainly. Say the line, Guy. Bunch

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of stuff happening. Bunch of stuff happening. Just

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a bunch of stuff that happened. Yay! Yeah!

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When you say say the line, Guy's like, no,

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I've got maybe five go-tos. What

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would be your go-to set of lines? Take

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something existing and put a clock in it. Yep. The future

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is now, old man. Future is now, old man. Something

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to do with sawny. Yep. The

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one we just said. And

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I don't know, I

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think... Zach's sitting there saying, but I mean. T-t-t-t-t-t-t-t-t...

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I'm thinking about what happened the other day. I

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love to use the phrase too great taste. It tastes

2:05

great together. But I can't use that anymore because I

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can't brock myself. Yes, of

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course. But anyway, so what we're gonna do today is

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we're gonna run through our top 10 episodes. You're gonna

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pick your five. I'm gonna pick my five. But before

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we do that, you're gonna try and guess my five

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and I'm gonna try and guess your five. So

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you say what you think my five are gonna be. I won't

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look at you. I'll look at my screen and I will say

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the same to you. I don't want you to, I wanna try

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and give it away. Are

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you gonna turn your headphones off or something? Oh,

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listen, I'll just be straight faced. Oh, I

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won't give anything away. Oh, you're gonna poker

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face me. Yes, yeah. Ooh. That

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came out all wrong. My

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list of Dando's top five. Number

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one, the boys are bummer. No, no. Just

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gonna show them my list. Oh, no. Okay,

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Dando's top five. The Ho

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Ho couple. Spring filled up. 24

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minutes. Yokel chords. And

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Treehouse of Horror. Treehouse of Horror is out.

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Do we not count that? It's like a default one

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we put to the side. Not

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that it's non-canon but because there's other non-canon ones in here

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but it's just, it's its own thing.

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Okay, let's put in boys are bummer then.

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I might take one out of my, well, I

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put a bit of crossover because I like to think

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that you and me have similar tastes. Although, history

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has often proven that wrong. Hmm.

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Let's say the MOOC, the chef, the

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wife and her homo. Okay. Now

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I think your top five, that one is you just said the MOOC,

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the chef and the wife and the homo. I

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thought with your love of jazz, you throw

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in jazzy in the pussycats. You

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can't always say what you want. Are

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we enjoying that one? I also thought

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you'd like Yokel chords. And

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I was tossing up, I couldn't quite pick one

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more. And I've thrown

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in homorrhazi. All

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right, so hit me with your number five. Now

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again, I have failed to put numbers

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on these. So, but. I'll

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start from the top and in

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my top five is Mo and Alisa. You got...

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I was thinking about that because I know you

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like Mo but I went back and looked at

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my notes and I remember they we

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weren't completely sold on the story by the end so

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I thought that might have sort of taken it out

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of your top five but yeah what was it that

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got Mo and Alisa over the line for you? Two

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words... Shaboo!

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Fransan! As

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a lip-ro yes I've tended to do that in the bud. I

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think because I am a writer and a

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bookworm I tend to like anything that had sort of

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a literary

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bent. I like the way that it's skewered the

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pretensions of that whole I don't

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know circle or

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community or whatever. And

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I like the relationship between Lisa and Mo. I

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like it when you take elements that don't necessarily

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belong together and try

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to create something

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new. Try to you know add a dash

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of new flavor and I thought it worked pretty well I don't

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think so yeah I think that's the main

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reason that I was happy with it. I

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was being facetious when I said the whole

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Shaboon friends but I do find that extremely

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funny. What else did I

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enjoy in it? I mean yeah any Mo

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episode is pretty good. I mean I liked his poetry

5:16

and I liked how I

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don't think Mo's especially an especially deep character

5:21

or anything like that. I don't think they've

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written him all that deeply but I do

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like the ways that

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they explore his self-loathing

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and I don't know

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general malcontent attitude. I

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think the odd we get and with

5:37

today's society and just sort of the

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idea of social media and how can we really plan

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your mental health. I think mental health being a much more

5:44

of a hot topic these days we can relate

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to Mo a lot more because he seems like he is going

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through a lot of the mental health issues

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that a lot of us tend to go through from time

5:53

to time. I would say so absolutely. What else did the

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kid just laugh at how angry and silly he was he

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just seemed like an old grump and Yoda you get. become

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an old grump and you're like, you know what,

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Mo's, he's on point sometimes. Oh yeah. He certainly

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has these moments where he's not on point, but

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you know. Okay, so

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my number five, I've gone with ice cream of

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Margie with the light blue hair. I was wondering

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about this one. It was, it

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had a little asterisk on it, I was like, this could

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be one that Dandelikes, but why do you like it? Well,

6:20

it's just, it's always been one of those episodes where I

6:22

can buy, I like when Homer's good at something. That's

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right. And I'm a big thing of that. And when you

6:26

can actually believe that he would be successful at this. And

6:30

it's one of those jobs I've always pondered

6:32

about going how they left, how had he not been the ice

6:34

cream man up to this point? And seeing 19 is one of

6:36

those stories. I

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know I tend to get annoyed when they don't explain

6:40

that he's not working at the power plant, but this

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one actually gave an explanation at the start. And

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yeah, it's not all that far fetched at Homer would be successful

6:47

as an ice cream man. The only reason I put it at

6:49

number five was that it had

6:51

to cram in the Homer and

6:54

Marge relationship and peril story at the end, which didn't

6:56

need to really be there. I think that would be

6:58

the reason why I left it off. I

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think it's something that we've talked about a fair bit in

7:03

that in the best

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episodes of this instance, or in the

7:07

best seasons of this instance, you've seen

7:09

that Homer and Marge's relationship, they can

7:11

get frustrated with one another, particularly Marge

7:13

getting frustrated with Homer. But

7:15

in these later seasons, it kind of reached a

7:17

stage where it's like, why are you with him?

7:19

Yeah. I mean, and the thing is in this

7:21

episode, I don't think it was justified her anger

7:23

because I think she wanted him

7:25

to get home in time or show or something. He

7:27

was driving home really, really fast and he crashed into

7:30

all the sculptures in the popsicle sticks. He

7:32

was genuinely trying. It was an accident. It

7:35

wasn't him going, I'm not gonna get

7:37

there on time. He was trying to beat up Marge and made

7:39

a mistake. And she got really, really angry. And I thought of

7:41

all the things I'm on Homer's side

7:43

here. So I think that's why I pushed it

7:45

to number five, but just the overall story of

7:47

Homer being the ice cream man and then Marge

7:49

turned that into an occupation for herself building the

7:51

popsicle stand. I thought it was a really fun

7:53

episode. And it had a very early 2000s nostalgia

7:55

kick of the Ali G

7:58

show, hit my ride and all. and

8:00

get your freak on playing and things like that. Yeah. Now

8:04

I think we're probably going to share

8:06

this next one. I mean, I said it's one

8:08

of yours, but I'd certainly liked it very much.

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And that's Yokel Cause. I've got number three. Okay,

8:12

cool. What did you enjoy? I've

8:14

got here, you know those episodes

8:16

where you're expecting absolutely, not shit, but you're going to

8:18

be going, oh, it's going to be a clearness episode.

8:20

I'm not going to look forward to this, right? And

8:23

it just blew me away. I just remember thinking, how

8:26

have I never, how have I got no recollection of

8:29

this episode? I don't think I even remember saying it,

8:31

but how is no one talking about this? I thought

8:33

this was so great. I love that they didn't focus

8:35

on the stick aspect of it. It wasn't clear to

8:38

the hill, but clear this was like the, speaking of

8:40

quite on set, this actually sort

8:42

of hits a little bit harder now. Just sort of the,

8:45

I guess in quite on set, the parents were not happy

8:47

most of the time with what was going on here, but

8:49

clear this is just that manager taking advantage of his kids,

8:51

pushing them into the spotlight, everyone making money off them. And

8:53

they're just like, we're not really happy with this, but we're

8:55

going to do it anyway, I guess. We should

8:57

clarify, unless Denner actually recorded all this and

9:00

eventually in the episode. We spoke quite on

9:02

set recently on a podcast. Yes, and we

9:04

also spoke for a fair bit of it

9:06

before we hit record on today's podcast, at

9:08

which point I said I was hashtag team

9:11

Snyder. And I

9:14

said no such thing. Yeah,

9:17

but we have

9:19

been talking about that a bit. And yeah, it does certainly relate

9:22

to this. And that while

9:24

Cleetus wasn't sidelined, he was not front and

9:26

center for this. And he was

9:29

included. He was included. So this

9:32

is what would happen if Cleetus got money. He

9:35

would blow it all. Yeah, and I like that they brought

9:37

Brandine back at the end because it was a

9:39

sign of a good episode where I hadn't actually

9:42

thought throughout it, where's Brandine in all of this?

9:45

And she goes over in the army, I believe. Yeah,

9:47

she was deployed. Yeah, she snaps Cleetus out of it.

9:50

And then we get the B-plot of Dark Stanley, which

9:52

was so great. I really loved that part going to

9:54

therapy. But just making up the idea of a legend,

9:56

a school legend, like the Bloody Mary, Candyman, that kind

9:58

of thing. being scared by

10:00

he gets sent to therapy and we get Meg

10:02

Ryan as Dr. Swanson. That's one

10:04

of the reasons why it was included

10:07

in my top five because yes, Team Ryan

10:09

for life as an 80s

10:11

and 90s boy, well 80s boy, 90s man. She

10:17

made you a man. She certainly did. Yeah,

10:20

that whole therapy B-plot

10:22

was really, really entertaining. I thought

10:24

Meg Ryan did a wonderful job. As

10:28

we've said in the past, you get certain

10:30

actors on and you're very aware that it's

10:32

so and so guest star where you

10:35

can get some actors on and say, I'm treating this like

10:37

a performance, I'm treating this like a character and

10:39

play it that way. That was the case with Meg Ryan.

10:43

Not until the end credits or at least until

10:45

the final scene that she was in. Who is

10:47

this? They're doing a really good job or I'm

10:49

really enjoying their work. Meg Ryan. Meg Ryan. I

10:52

love when you don't know who it is like you're saying. That's

10:54

the sign of a good role when they're not

10:56

trying to ... when it's

10:58

their voice but it's a slight twang in their voice and

11:00

they're creating this character. Yeah, when did this happen recently? It

11:03

might not have been on The Simpsons but it might have

11:05

been on a King of the Hill or something. There

11:07

was ... Jim Cummings with Pops. No,

11:10

it was that man got a thousand voices.

11:14

I think it was the Clay ... what's it

11:16

now? Clay Scepterberg or whatever? But it was Green

11:18

Day. Oh, of course. That's the band. Yeah, and

11:20

it wasn't even Billy Joe Armstrong as the lead

11:22

one. No, it was Trey Cool. Yeah, they're very

11:24

good stuff. Yeah, I remember going to the end

11:26

of that and going, oh, Green Day. Yeah,

11:29

so, yeah, of course, it was both in ours. Yeah,

11:31

of my number three but we got the fun twist

11:33

at the end of that one as well where she

11:35

ended up going to therapy because she was replacing her

11:37

son who was killed by Dark Stanley. Yeah,

11:41

I mean, a great ... What

11:43

was the music from too as well?

11:45

It was like ... it was taken

11:47

from something. It was sampled. Oh, I

11:49

don't know. I don't know.

11:51

I don't think it was that but the way you

11:54

just did it because, oh, talk about unified theory.

11:57

Yeah. I was on Twitter just earlier and there's

11:59

... an account

12:01

that I'm enjoying following called Music Brown Low, where

12:05

they look at the Australian music charts of

12:07

each particular year and it's like, okay, give it to you,

12:09

three, two, one's on these. And

12:11

they did 1999, I was looking through the list

12:13

going on. What was that number? Was it just

12:15

Australian songs or the ARIA charts? It was the

12:17

ARIA chart, so you had local and international artists,

12:19

but one song that was in there

12:21

that I'd completely forgotten about, I hated it then

12:23

and now I hate it even more now because

12:26

it's stuck in my head again. It's a song

12:28

called Two Times, do you know? No. It's by

12:30

a woman named Ann Lee. It's a club song,

12:32

but it's... And

12:34

they had that in the brown low? Yeah, yeah. Well,

12:36

I mean, the list is all the songs and it's like

12:38

you pick out... Oh. What are your three, two,

12:40

ones? But it's got this... Two

12:43

times. Yeah, that song, yeah. Yeah.

12:48

I fucking hate it. I fucking

12:51

hate it. And you just did

12:53

this... I'm like, no.

12:56

I hadn't thought about this in two decades and then

12:58

I heard it again this morning and now Dan does

13:00

doing it. What's going on? I'm

13:02

just trying to find here on the Wiki page about the music.

13:06

The music was... Let's have a look at the

13:08

cultural room. The music and the number that played

13:10

during Dark Family. Oh, it's the music from 12

13:12

Monkeys. Yeah, 12 Monkeys. I knew it, yeah. And

13:14

it was from something, yeah. It's not Two Times

13:16

by Ann Lee. So

13:19

my number four, so that was your number four, right? Yes.

13:22

Yeah, okay. And my number four, I have

13:24

gone with... I have

13:26

moved the chef, the wife and her home. Oh,

13:28

you really did? Yes. I... Yes, you got that one right.

13:30

Yeah, so I... And we've got Yoko Kord's right as well.

13:32

Yes, Yoko Kord's for me. See, you're on fire so far.

13:34

I'm doing all right. I

13:36

thought this was a really fun guest

13:38

star-heavy episode, but it wasn't the guest

13:40

stars as themselves. It was them playing

13:43

Godfather-esque characters and Sopranos-esque characters because they

13:45

had essentially the cast of Sopranos on

13:47

there, except for the main man himself,

13:49

of course. No, Mr Gandolfini,

13:51

unfortunately. No. But you do have Michael

13:53

Emperioli and Joey Dance. And Joey, yeah,

13:55

yeah. Joe Montanio was never in the

13:58

Sopranos. He did not play like a guest part. Don't

14:00

believe so? No. I

14:03

think they will check that right now. Joe Montanier's Sopranos,

14:05

have a look. Sopranos. You feel like we

14:07

would have been a fan sort of like, okay, you come on our

14:09

show and then Joe will go on your show, wouldn't it? Yeah. Wasn't

14:11

the Sopranos. Joe Montanier was in

14:13

the Sopranos. I was just watching Sopranos

14:16

like seven times and in

14:18

a Mercedes commercial featured in season 3%8, I

14:20

thought I heard a familiar voice. Yes, it was David Rossi himself. I

14:22

do get it to verify. The first result was a clip of them.

14:25

He played David Rossi in Criminal Minds.

14:29

Oh, sorry. I thought David Rossi must have been

14:31

another actor. I've never watched Criminal Minds. So David

14:33

Rossi, so Joe Montanier was the

14:35

voice of the guy in that commercial. Oh, okay.

14:38

I really loved the way they worked the Sopranos

14:40

story into this. Because the Sopranos was one of

14:42

the biggest shows, even the biggest show on TV

14:44

at the time. Oh, yeah. It was

14:46

coming close to the finale. I

14:48

just think having them on was a huge get. And the way they used

14:50

them, you discussed earlier how sometimes they

14:53

get guest stars on it. Like, hey, look, it's

14:55

Prime Minister Tony Blair. They have to actually tell

14:57

you who it is and then just make this

14:59

really obnoxious cameo, where

15:01

they're just sort of saying one line and then they go

15:03

and have no bearing on the story. It's just, hey, this

15:05

person's on the show, so we can use them in the

15:07

trailer for the episode on the commercials to sort of give

15:09

people the watch. But I thought this one here really felt

15:11

organic and they felt like they belonged in the Simpsons universe.

15:14

It was a great combination of paying

15:16

tribute to not just the Sopranos, but

15:19

basically the whole mob scene. Gangster movie

15:21

genre. Yeah, right down to the closing

15:23

scene, which is this beautiful, I'm actually

15:25

a godfather. But also,

15:28

yeah, all the stuff about... I'm

15:31

sorry, is he... What's the kid's

15:33

name? Michael. Michael, yeah. Wanting to sort of

15:35

go his own way. Well, I

15:37

mean, that whole thing is very much a godfather

15:39

tribute as well, because Michael Corleone doesn't

15:41

necessarily want to be part of the family business until he

15:44

has to join the family business and finds that he's a natural

15:46

at it. But the whole thing about,

15:48

you know, I want to be a chef and all this

15:50

kind of stuff. It's a good story about... getting

15:53

close to home at all about, you know,

15:55

you may be different from your old man.

15:58

Yeah. You don't want to walk a different path. or

16:00

just don't have it in you to walk the

16:02

same path as you as your old man did or your

16:04

parents did. Add

16:06

a whole new layer to Fat Tony's character I thought.

16:09

It really did yeah, a good episode.

16:11

I liked it a lot. I'm glad it was on both

16:13

our lists. And Homer and Bart taking over seemed

16:15

to be obvious and unrealistic but I also really

16:18

enjoyed the scenes when they were running the show.

16:20

Well they're definitely father and son aren't they

16:22

in terms of if you

16:24

let them indulge

16:26

their worst instincts. They're going to do that but

16:28

they're actually kind of good at it as well.

16:30

They're a good team when they're doing stuff that's

16:33

not necessarily good for anybody else. It reminds me

16:35

of you know getting the grease or

16:37

the kind of the beer baron that kind of

16:40

thing. But was that the one

16:42

where it goes which is the episode where they

16:44

I know that was the the grease one was like we're

16:47

in the racket business too. Yeah. Speaking

16:51

of our share to our man Tom

16:53

Lipitori he recently had a scare

16:55

on the field did you see that he collapsed.

16:57

Oh did he? You got a really hard bump then

17:01

about five minutes later he just sort of in

17:03

the middle of the field and just collapsed to

17:05

the ground. Oh good goal and one of the

17:07

opposition players was like are you okay? So I

17:09

helped him up again and he apparently he's done

17:11

all these tests or like two straight days of

17:13

tests no concussion issues at all but he just

17:15

collapsed. So hope you're doing well Tom. Libber hope

17:17

you're doing all right mate. He was our guest

17:20

star on our revisit of the the

17:22

grease episode. Talking about grease yes. Yes. All

17:25

right if you haven't checked that episode make sure you do so funny man.

17:27

All right I'm going to go you give me enough one of yours so

17:29

you have to move the chef as well did you? I did indeed so

17:32

let's cut that one out instead we'll go with 24

17:35

minutes. Okay I've got that as my

17:37

number one. Yeah this is just top

17:39

five for me since Golden Era. It's

17:41

the best format bending episode we've had

17:43

since trilogy of era with um

17:45

lingo and that and all that kind of stuff which

17:47

is a play on is it run all around? Yeah

17:49

yeah yeah yeah I'm I'm

17:51

a huge fan of the format bending episodes not

17:54

huge on the trilogy ones where it's like three

17:56

short stories they can be very hit and miss.

17:58

I like the ones where it's an entire episode

18:00

sort of taking a new format. This again one

18:02

of the biggest shows at the time 24 I

18:05

thought they just absolutely nailed the aspect of being

18:07

a parody. It was just so spot on. Again

18:10

they hit just that sweet spot of

18:12

like this is very very faithful to

18:15

24, very faithful to its look,

18:17

its feel, its tone but

18:20

it's still unmistakably Simpsons. Well of course

18:22

it's the Simpsons but it

18:24

can be occasionally difficult to oh you

18:27

know we really enjoy show A. We

18:29

want to pay tribute to it and

18:32

sorry to try to have one of my overused

18:34

catch rates but some great taste don't taste great

18:36

together. This was a situation where it actually did.

18:38

I mean you could tell that either

18:41

they really really really done their research on

18:43

24 or they were just huge fans of

18:45

the show and wanted to do what

18:48

Jess Wright and merge it into

18:51

the Springfield world. Fox will like cross

18:53

over yes please. Billionaire Tired

18:56

is up there going I like the

18:58

idea. Go ahead with it. Yeah

19:01

but it's just funny well written so on point

19:03

the transitions the split screens the countdown clock everything

19:05

the way the commercial breaks it all it felt

19:08

like a 24 episode. Well yeah because yeah

19:10

on 24 episode you to the

19:12

best of my recollection was often oh I don't know if

19:15

I can trust this guy oh wait a minute a betrayal

19:17

yeah all this kind of stuff and they said yeah heel

19:19

turn by Mountain Prince. Even though no but it was like

19:21

it was a heel turn but there's a reason why there's

19:23

always a reason why yeah I mean if it's a character

19:26

that you really like it's either going

19:28

to be oh you've let me down the garden path all this

19:30

time or it's like they're going to have a reason oh they

19:32

do have a reason oh I'm invested in making sure this all

19:34

works out. They're giving himself the wedgie at the end. And having

19:36

the you know the

19:41

bullies of the villains and all that kind of stuff.

19:43

It really did. Yeah it was spot on

19:47

and plus having Jack and Chloe in the episode

19:49

as well but not as the main characters that

19:51

are there. No. And the brief cameo. That's where

19:53

a cameo worked. I think this might

19:56

have been one of the episodes where they truly realized you know

19:58

what 18 seasons in. It's

20:00

gonna be hard to come up with original ideas. Maybe we can

20:02

start doing more and more of these and they're doing more and

20:04

more of these in like Season 34. I think they did about

20:06

six or seven of them and most of them are really really

20:08

good All right I think those episodes like this that made them

20:10

realize You know what we can just sort of take a step

20:13

back and not have to think of an original idea And

20:15

just sort of have fun with this now We're

20:17

at the point where we don't need to have

20:20

a story set in Springfield We still have plenty

20:22

of those but occasionally throw one of these ones

20:24

out there because they're fun It reminded me this

20:26

one reminds me of 22 short films about Springfield.

20:28

Very much so Yeah, and like I said, it's

20:30

great when you've got guest stars who come to play

20:32

as well keep a subtle in his family a fan

20:34

Or maybe just hanging around the Fox a lot Come

20:37

on in keep well here because he's doubling up.

20:40

He did GI annoyed grunt which an episode I

20:42

remember we did not like I believe so When

20:46

I was looking through this I'm going That's

20:48

where homo sort of the army

20:50

invade Springfield. That's ridiculous. Yeah, it becomes Civil

20:53

War Yes,

20:57

all right. Well, do you have any more that you haven't

20:59

discussed I've got one more with my number two You

21:03

did mention jazz in the pussycat yes that is on

21:05

my head I knew you love a jazz. I really

21:07

enjoyed this one. I did indeed great guest our cameo

21:09

from watch drops as well That's right. Yeah, well, this

21:12

is the one with the new

21:14

new which you think the tribute of

21:16

the video You think this is the episode that has the white stripes

21:18

in it, but they're only in it for about 30 seconds and Of

21:22

course, you know Fox Bing Fox in the Simpsons being the

21:24

sims is like tune in for the white stress That's what

21:26

it was. They were hot shit at the time. Yeah Still

21:30

out to some degree. Yes. What did you like the most

21:32

about this one? No, so this is what Bart joins

21:34

the jazz band and Lisa. I believe what was her

21:36

side story here Well because

21:39

Bart turns out to be a bit of a natural a

21:41

jazz or embraced by the jazz community Yeah, which is what

21:43

Lisa's want her all her life. She has to find something

21:45

new That's right. Oh she has to find some way to

21:49

Animals adopting animals. She goes

21:51

to the the shelter. I

21:53

think she was initially gonna get one and Gets

21:57

addicted to saving them. Yeah I

22:00

think just the whole... It's

22:03

a nice sort of button-litter story by the end where

22:05

he realises you're the one with the talent. Yes. Yeah,

22:08

I mean, what's the name of the

22:10

ice hockey one? Lisa. Oh,

22:12

Lisa and I. Lisa and I. Yeah, you mean

22:14

the old one. Yeah, yeah, Lisa and I. Yeah,

22:17

I tend to enjoy episodes like that where... Sentimental.

22:19

I mean, you ever since. I'm

22:21

sure there are times when you're like, I can't

22:23

stand this fucking person. And other times it's like, you

22:27

rescue them from a weird pervert at the pub. We

22:29

should revisit Lisa on Ice. I don't think you and I

22:31

have done it as a guy on Springfield. I have to

22:33

check it out. We may have, but... I

22:35

love that one because that episode perfectly demonstrates

22:38

that, sorry, where

22:41

odds with your sister, but then there's the flashback where

22:43

he remembers all the things, and they remember all the

22:45

things like the herding her leg and putting the bandaid

22:47

on, and the ice cream, and it's just

22:49

like, oh fuck. Yeah. We

22:52

hate each other, but it's like we've always been there for each other as well. Absolutely. Yeah,

22:55

I love Lisa on Ice, one of my favourite episodes of all time. If

22:57

we haven't revisited it, we will do it again. We'll just

23:00

do it again. We'll just do it again. Again and again

23:02

and again and again and again and again. I

23:06

think that's certainly one of the reasons why I enjoy

23:08

Jazzy and the Pussycat. I mean, it's not quite Lisa

23:10

on Ice level, but when you've got a good storyline

23:14

or, you know, just an idea that resonates

23:16

and makes sense no matter what context you put it in,

23:19

yeah, you use it again. I had as mine of a

23:21

two. I've gone

23:23

with an episode that gave me the most golden era vibes more

23:26

than any episode I can remember in recent

23:28

history, and it was Homerazzi. I

23:31

remember watching this and just being blown away by how

23:33

much I thought, if you told

23:35

me this was season eight, I'd buy into it. I

23:37

just really, really loved the idea of Homerazzi as the

23:39

paparazzi. It's again a job that

23:41

you can really believe that he would be successful

23:43

at. And I thought he just, he

23:46

wasn't a douchebag, but when he was a

23:48

douchebag, he was just being a paparazzi, and

23:50

that's what they are. Yeah, he's in a

23:52

douchey line of work. So it

23:55

was funny to see him being a douchebag because it's

23:57

almost like they were taking the Mickey out of... Paparazzo

24:00

is the singular, right? Yes. Taking the

24:02

fun out of the paparazzo. Or

24:05

paparazzi. How do you

24:07

say? Making fun of the paparazzi. Making

24:09

fun of the paparazzo. Basically because he was

24:11

making fun of the paparazzi, you were able to laugh at him

24:13

being a douchebag where normally you would go, oh god he's such

24:16

a wanker. Oh this is more jerk ass

24:18

homo behaviour. But it fit this role. It

24:20

really really did. And I just thought, yeah,

24:23

this would have been an episode you could have crammed a

24:25

lot of guest celebrity cameos into, but they didn't. Springfield

24:29

universe. Yeah, it wasn't we're grabbing

24:31

the celebrities from the real

24:33

world. No, these are the Springfield celebrities. Yeah,

24:35

and at the end when they're all in

24:37

their little nightclub, yeah,

24:41

it's not like the human stem cells leave the

24:43

plate. Compromising photos

24:45

of Sideshow

24:48

Mel eating the American flag. Yes. Oh

24:53

Paris Jackson making out with Mel. That's right. And

24:55

I don't know, snorting the actions of Secretariat and

24:57

Merck when we can't Brockman. I've

25:01

that bondage for doing roleplay. He

25:05

could have believed this would have been a story

25:07

they may have tackled after Princess Diana's death. It

25:09

may have been too close to it. Yeah, too

25:11

hard. Well, it's a bit of an evergreen topic.

25:13

How just yeah, crappy paparazzi.

25:16

Oh, in general. Yeah, and same time. Yeah,

25:18

we're all complicit. It'd be like, Oh,

25:21

check out those photos. I

25:23

think at that time to team Z was really starting

25:25

to take off and it was becoming paparazzi was becoming

25:27

a thing. Oh, yeah. It always been there, but the

25:29

introduction of social media, the internet and team Z becoming

25:31

a real established

25:34

brand of they represent they'll like the WWE

25:36

of paparazzi. Very much so. It's amazing how

25:38

you can sort of look

25:41

upon old things with the sounds. Like you look at the very early days

25:43

of paparazzi you'll say that

25:46

even up to the even up to anything in

25:49

the 21st century, you

25:52

can look at anything in the 20th century like the paparazzi

25:54

there. It's like, oh, you know, it's gross, but

25:56

it's also kind of a come over here. I'll take it.

25:58

Let me take a picture. It's Robin Williams and John

26:01

Vellucia hanging out in a nightclub. Well yeah,

26:03

as opposed to... You look

26:05

at it now, I don't know if

26:07

TMZ is solely this. People just wanting

26:09

to walk down the street. Yeah, or

26:11

you know... Go after dinner. Just hanging

26:13

out at airports and like someone says... Seth

26:16

Rogen, who has it feel to be back in... Yo,

26:18

you just landed at LAX, how you feeling? Just got

26:20

off a plane, fuck off. I mean... And

26:23

I think when... And they don't have anything to publicise either?

26:25

No. I like that it's sort of

26:27

come around where I think we now as a society are

26:29

now... Accepting that... Leave

26:31

these people alone, we get that they... You know,

26:33

they're celebrities and they should expect some sort of

26:35

form of attention. But they're just fucking at the

26:38

airport like you said. Leave them alone. I think

26:40

we've turned on TMZ now. I think so. For

26:42

a while we... I never enjoyed TMZ but it was sort

26:44

of seen as like... Oh, what have they

26:46

got for us this week? Now it's like fuck off

26:48

TMZ. Give them a break. Yeah. A

26:51

lot of people now with the wrestling community... It's

26:53

people who bother them at the airports to get

26:55

them to sign things. And they hold up like

26:57

10 pitches to sign. Sign, sign. You're not a

26:59

fan. You're clearly going to go... No, you're a

27:02

flipper. Yeah. And now wrestlers have created

27:04

this thing where they don't sign things at airports anymore. And

27:06

the people are saying, oh, those pricks... What?

27:09

You know, it's part of the job. It's like, well, that's not part of the job. No.

27:13

At all. Fuck those people. But

27:16

yeah, so that is the top five. So I've gone with

27:18

my top five running through. They're all out of order because

27:20

of... You said them as well. Because

27:23

I was lazy and I didn't put numbers. But I've

27:25

gone with my number five was ice cream of margarine

27:27

with the light blue hair. My number four, the MOOC,

27:29

the chef, the wife and her Homer. Number

27:32

three, Yoko cords, number two, Homerazzi.

27:35

And number one being 24 minutes. So

27:37

what were your five? You had to put them in

27:39

an order. What would be your number one, do you

27:41

think? I think my number one would probably be 24 minutes.

27:45

There's an element of it still fresh in our minds, I think,

27:47

but also it was just a great episode. That's

27:50

true. Yeah, it really was. In order, I would

27:52

go 24 minutes, Yoko cords, Mo

27:54

and Elise. No, sorry. 24

27:57

minutes, Yoko cords, MOOC, chef, wife,

27:59

Homer. Mona Lisa, Jazzy and the Pussycats. So I

28:01

got how many of yours? I got MOOC? Did

28:04

you have MOOC in yours? I did, yep. Jazzy and the

28:06

Pussycats? You didn't have

28:09

your Kent always, I'm surprised you didn't have your Kent. Yeah. I

28:12

don't know, maybe it was just a bit too close and I think like, oh

28:15

am I choosing this because it was the last one we

28:17

talked about and it's fresh in my mind. I did like

28:19

a lot of it, that's true. I thought you may have

28:21

had Stop on My Dog Will Shoot. Yeah, I think there

28:23

were good parts of it and there were also parts that

28:25

were like, yeah, I don't know about this. Well, I don't

28:27

think it was bad, it just felt like, was this one

28:29

of those ones felt like assembled out of various things as

28:31

well. Some parts of it did, yeah. Yeah. What

28:33

was the episode where it's like, you're taking this long to get

28:35

to the, that might have been the Kent. Oh, you

28:37

Kent? Yeah, yeah. Have the episode.

28:39

Have the episode. Have the episode.

28:41

All right, so I got three and you got

28:43

how many? I think I got three as well. You

28:45

guessed, Jekyll Cords and

28:48

24 Minutes. Yeah, and also, well I

28:50

was gonna give, you gave me the MOOC as well, didn't

28:52

you? Yeah. I think I

28:54

put in Springfield Up. Yeah, I hated that episode.

28:56

Oh, okay. I hated, I hated, I hated you.

28:58

I was considering putting it in for you. It

29:00

was just one of those ones where, the Declan

29:02

characters doesn't do it for me. That's probably the

29:04

reason why I didn't have it. I think I

29:06

like the rest of this. And

29:09

I think I put in the Ho Ho Couple because I know

29:11

you like it. I thought about it. You're like a Homer and

29:13

Lisa episode. Yeah, I really thought about it because I love the

29:15

idea of being a parent now when you read the book and

29:17

you go, that's a little bit too much. I'm gonna change it

29:19

just to make it a bit happier. There's nothing wrong with a

29:21

little white lie. The

29:23

worst episode ever. Now

29:26

I've gone with a new segment here. Oh, we

29:28

may have already done it, but what was your

29:30

biggest disappointment for this season? I'm gonna throw mine

29:32

out first, right? I've gone with Kill Gill Volumes

29:34

1 and 2. We went

29:36

into that with such high expectations of, this

29:38

is gonna be great for Gill episode and

29:40

it left us disliking Gill. And I don't

29:42

think that would have been the intention. Very

29:44

much the case, yeah. No, I'm inclined to

29:47

say that was probably the biggest disappointment, absolutely.

29:49

I mean, there were episodes that were worse.

29:51

Well, the Boys of Bummer and Romeo

29:54

and Juliet were two absolute

29:56

stinkers in my opinion. Romeo and Juliet, Juliet

29:58

was disappointing in the sense that. There

30:00

is a story there but my god did you

30:03

not execute it properly. Oh absolutely. And the Boys

30:05

of Bummer was just so... A

30:07

bummer? That's a downer. Yeah it was just so negative

30:09

all the time but Killgill I went into that expecting

30:11

so much more and it gave me nothing. I

30:14

don't know if this was a disappointment or such but I

30:16

think an episode that really just let me down or left

30:18

me feeling a bit near and was probably Marge Gamer. Really

30:21

okay. I didn't... My Marge

30:23

Gamer... But you didn't live through the whole RPG.

30:25

That's right. Yeah. I had

30:28

friends who were really in that scene and

30:30

so I can sort of relate to it in that sense.

30:33

I never played them all that much but I had friends who were

30:35

big on World of Warcraft and that kind of thing so I could

30:38

sort of understand that and I didn't mind it but... Anything

30:40

else that didn't really sort of tickle your fancy? I

30:43

mean you did Revenge as a dish best served

30:45

three times without me is that right? Yeah that's

30:47

why I didn't pick it. Because we didn't do

30:49

it together. We should go back and do it.

30:52

Yeah we should. Because there was two stories in

30:54

there that I remember really enjoying. And they both

30:56

felt almost like trias of horror ones where there

30:58

was... They were...

31:00

I think it was like Superhero, like Bartman was

31:02

one of them. And then sort of Millhouse gets

31:04

his device where he can beat up bullies or

31:06

something. And it was pretty fun. Okay. Well we

31:08

should do that at some stage. Yes. I

31:11

think it was one of those ones I mentioned earlier that the three

31:14

story episodes that I don't really enjoy. This one was more

31:16

of a hit than a miss if I remember correctly. But

31:19

Kill Girls Volume 1 and 2 just remember thinking I

31:21

don't want to dislike Gil but it's hard not to

31:23

now. Yeah. And at the end when

31:25

he actually becomes a success and then Marge comes in

31:27

and ruins it for him. I was

31:29

like, no one comes out on top here. Who are we cheering

31:32

for? Yeah. Everyone's a

31:34

bad person in this. Bad behaviour all around.

31:36

Yeah alright. Well I think it's also now

31:38

time since we're at the end of our

31:40

top ten that we do the wildcard draw

31:43

for season 18. Now we need to

31:46

make an adjustment do we? We do. Yeah

31:48

now who was it? I found the messages after

31:50

you messaged me because I went to a separate

31:52

folder. This is our man Jared Hornby. Hello there

31:54

Jared. He slid into my

31:57

DMs. But

31:59

not in the... fun way because he pointed out

32:01

a mistake that we had possibly made. Jared,

32:05

I hope you know my man, I'm going to read

32:07

this verbatim. Hi mate, I sent a message through to

32:09

Dando, but I don't think it's gone to his inbox,

32:11

but gone to message requests. I think I had the

32:13

Brock Bottom new name first for the last F. I

32:15

know it doesn't mean too much, but it does in

32:17

my heart. Haven't been in the running for a long time.

32:20

That's on you Jared. Can you name Philip J. Hawkins?

32:22

Oh my God. Step one, change name to Philip J. Hawkins. Step three,

32:24

so you can't do it. Step

32:27

one, change name to Philip

32:29

J. Hawkins. Step three, success. No, my step

32:31

two. But

32:34

I then forwarded

32:36

this to Dando, who then found it as well. So

32:39

I've thrown him into the wildcard drawer. We have him in it. The

32:41

upshot is Jared, you're in the wildcard drawer. Who

32:43

knows? Something could happen

32:45

that's just magical. I've added all these

32:48

names here into the randomizer. You give

32:50

me the three second countdown. Click. Click.

32:53

Click. Click. Three,

32:57

two, one. Click

33:00

again to stop it. Tell me when

33:02

to stop. Stop. All right. All

33:04

right. How many times have I heard that in my life? The

33:12

winner of the wildcard drawer for season 18

33:15

is Philip J. Hawkins.

33:20

Let's redraw. Hamish

33:23

Wilson? Hamo. Hamo.

33:26

Hamish Wilson. So he was on three points. He must have

33:28

got a three pointer. I'm assuming at

33:30

some point maybe a two or maybe three finger. The

33:35

possibilities are limitless by which I mean there

33:37

are three points. Congratulations

33:42

Hamish. What did Hamish get? We'll work that

33:44

out. But get

33:46

in touch with us. Send us an

33:48

email actually, simpsonsmailbag.com and we will get

33:50

in touch with you as to what

33:52

your price shall be. But that is

33:54

the end of season 18. We did

33:56

it. Holy moly, we made

33:58

it. Yeah. We were a little worried going

34:00

in. We were very worried. We

34:03

had a lot of people telling us, you're gonna hate this one, it's

34:05

gonna be a slog, this is when they made the movie, there's a

34:07

lot of shit episodes. There was only

34:09

one or two episodes where I went, ah, God,

34:11

this is death. I know, yeah. But

34:13

even that though, I thought overall, it was fine, not

34:16

that, I think there were five standouts

34:18

for me, but I definitely could've thrown a couple others

34:20

in there potentially, but the five episodes

34:22

that I picked are five great episodes. Yeah, there

34:24

was some really, really strong go-to-woe episodes, and there

34:26

was a lot of stuff in episodes that was

34:28

like, really good. I mean, I

34:30

think we said on more than

34:32

one occasion, that's golden era stuff,

34:35

well that's vintage Simpsons. If this was

34:37

in seasons, what

34:39

is it, six to nine, but we'd go three to

34:41

nine. That belongs, that absolutely

34:43

fits. Yeah, the story of this season I

34:46

think is, they were burned out, and there's

34:48

a lot of good ideas, and

34:50

rather than sort of focus on these ideas and

34:52

make them a four-foot episode, they might just throw

34:54

shit at the wall. Let's patch these together, and

34:58

it'll be Simpson's brand flavor. You know what's gonna make

35:00

us some auto money? The Simpsons movie. Oh yeah. Let's

35:03

blow energy into that. But season 19 is coming up,

35:06

and I took a screenshot actually on

35:08

Disney Plus of season 19, the first

35:10

four episodes, and each screenshot has either

35:13

a homo or a march with clearly

35:15

a guest star of a new catch-and-trying,

35:18

I'm like, oh no. This

35:20

is gonna be one of those eras, but

35:24

low expectations. If

35:26

you keep your expectations rock bottom, or Brock bottom,

35:30

then you'll never be disappointed. I'm gonna be chucking

35:32

up a poll in the Patreon group for you

35:34

guys to decide, before we get into season 19,

35:36

a classic episode for us to review. Ah,

35:38

you're starting to start. Actually, I'm not gonna do a

35:40

poll. Let's just fucking pick one. Let's just

35:43

pick one. Surprise people. Least our

35:45

nose. Let's make sure we haven't done it

35:47

first. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

35:49

Stink. I

35:53

got a sort of funny meme the other day, I'm not gonna say on the air,

35:55

but I'll tell you off the air. That must be

35:57

a really funny meme. and

36:03

The polls though check out if you are

36:05

a supporter of our some patreon vote for

36:07

the next movie for the movie guys Oh,

36:09

yeah, where we picked our teen teen comedy.

36:11

Yes and decide which film we review for

36:13

the month of April Last month

36:15

we did a money ball indeed I'm

36:18

not trying to sway any votes. I would never

36:20

work anyway because guys the king of the big

36:22

bed zero But

36:24

one of my choices was risky business Putting

36:27

on my film nerd hat here. It's just

36:29

been added to physical media Label

36:32

the criterion collection. Yeah, so we the gold

36:34

standard thereof It's like you're gonna get

36:36

you know the original theatrical cut and the directors cut

36:39

Criteria collection they sort of like competitors with umbrella. Is

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that what they are? Well,

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nothing nothing competes with umbrella. Yes, there is shout

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out to umbrella a friend of the pod Stop

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striking me Tetching

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me you weirdo Criterion

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sort of more it tends to be sort of

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art house stuff but occasionally

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they'll throw in a An

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important film that is nonetheless good commercial.

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I used to always hear criterion commentaries

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And I'm showing face on his papers the commentaries

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on movies. Oh, no, they've got sort of name

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brand stuff So, you know dogs like me who

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go, you know, it's really good It's

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sort of All right, well

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that is our review of season 18 Have

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you guys enjoyed thinking sticking around for all those episodes?

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We sort of it's rather a bit longer this time

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We could be revisited some classics and we have some

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guests on it with a hell of a good time

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The season 19 begins in a couple of weeks. So

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for now, Mr. Davis any final words for those incredible

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listeners out there See you in season 19