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Up next, this investigation
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is off to a shaky start.
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This is a whole different type
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of autopsy because of the
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condition of his body.
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A lot of valuable time and
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clues have been lost. As time
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goes on, you can lose DNA evidence,
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you can lose witnesses. Detectives fear
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a killer won't be caught until
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his own words seal his fate. But
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which kill skin
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cells? In twenty six years,
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I've never had the killer's voice
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basically, igniting what he did right
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there on audio.
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founded
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in sixteen forty warwick
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Rhode Island is one of the oldest cities
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in America, a place long defined
1:07
by its proximity to the Atlantic
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Ocean.
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We have so much coastline that
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water life is inherent
1:15
to everybody who lives here. I know so many
1:17
people that have a boat. So obviously
1:19
in the summer that's when people are out
1:21
on their boats and their parked at marinas,
1:24
dengue, all sorts of, you know, apparatus
1:27
related to the boats
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Countless boats and lives
1:31
have been lost to the sea over the decades.
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Many falling victim to volatile weather
1:37
From the West Bay Mobile News Room, I would astute
1:39
moves to West Warwick, where we're getting a
1:41
great look of the storm that we've
1:43
never seen before. On August fourth
1:46
two thousand fifteen, a weather
1:48
phenomenon known as a macroburst devastated
1:51
the area. This was an unusual
1:54
event. My guess is they
1:56
were in the range of ninety
1:58
to a hundred and twenty mile an hour wins.
2:00
The only way that I can think of describing
2:03
it sort of a mini tornado. A
2:06
storm with this kind of power wreaked havoc
2:09
on many boats along the coast it
2:11
was chaotic. The microburst had
2:13
everything out of sorts. It wasn't uncommon
2:15
for boats to be pulled off their mooring
2:17
or taken off their anchor. So
2:19
when in the aftermath of the storm,
2:22
the local Harbour Master saw a
2:24
twenty six foot sailboat called the
2:26
star Capella floating off
2:28
the shore. He didn't think much of it.
2:30
The boat was dragging anchor.
2:32
Of course, he called out before he
2:34
boarded the boat. Nobody answered.
2:37
So he took the boat,
2:39
put it onto one of the city moorings.
2:42
Before he did that, he checked the
2:44
boat,
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looked in, saw a lot of
2:47
debris, cushions, no
2:50
signs of anybody in
2:53
the boat. The harbormaster towed
2:55
the boat to a mooring for safe keeping.
2:58
No one claimed it. When
3:00
he came back eleven days later, he
3:02
noticed unusual There
3:04
was a very foul odor coming from
3:06
the boat, so he boarded it.
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Let's see if he can find out where that smell
3:11
was coming from.
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The smell was coming from a badly
3:14
decomposed human body, covered
3:17
up with a jumble of material from inside
3:19
the boat, The body wasn't found
3:21
during the initial search because the
3:24
harbormaster hadn't expected to
3:26
find anyone on board. And
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also because the body was covered
3:30
with debris. We could not
3:32
tell if the body was a male or female,
3:36
age, race, prior
3:39
two weeks to that point had been in the
3:41
mid eighties to lower nineties.
3:44
So the weather and the conditions
3:47
did not help in our investigation.
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The body was so decomposed. Detectives
3:54
couldn't even tell how or when
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the victim died. Was the death
3:58
something that was completely
3:59
accidental or
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was this the result of some other acts
4:04
possibly even a homicide. The
4:06
medical examiner was presented
4:08
with a body nearly devoid of identifying
4:11
features our number one challenge
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in
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this case, because I don't know who this is.
4:16
After we undressed the body, we could tell
4:18
it had male features and that's basically
4:20
all we can say, we don't know the age. We
4:22
don't know the race.
4:23
And obviously, fingerprints
4:26
are no longer there. They had decomposed
4:28
way that melted away. A full autopsy
4:31
showed the victim at broken ribs.
4:34
Despite the decomposition, bruising
4:36
was deep in the victim's skull.
4:38
But these findings didn't necessarily
4:41
indicate foul play. After
4:43
all, the macroburst storm
4:45
was unusually powerful.
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Could it have been that the boat
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was knocked around so much? that
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the person could have slipped and fallen, hit
4:54
their head, and then things landed on them.
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Was he murdered and then covered
4:59
up? or was it just an
5:01
accident in really bad weather?
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A key finding put the accident
5:06
theory to rest, the victim's high
5:08
oi bone. A floating bone located
5:10
in the neck was broken.
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That would not have happened accidentally. It
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was
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a true fracture
5:16
This one little bone will tell me that there
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was significant pressure applied to the
5:20
neck, and he was basically strangled.
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Doctors and detectives now
5:25
knew their victim had been murdered. The
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problem was days had passed
5:29
and they still had no idea who
5:31
he was.
5:39
It can be a surprise to some folks that I
5:41
live in a small town, like a really
5:43
small town. People wonder, don't
5:45
you miss having postmates or
5:47
a ramen's spot just around the corner.
5:49
This is town sizing,
5:51
a podcast from HGTV, all
5:53
about small town living, and I'm
5:55
your host, Ann Helen Peterson.
5:57
On downsizing, we aim to get to the
5:59
bottom of one question.
6:01
What exactly is the mystique
6:04
in
6:04
allure of the American and small town. Listen
6:06
to town sizing from HGTV wherever
6:08
you get your podcasts.
6:18
About the only thing detectives knew about
6:21
their murder victim was that he was a
6:23
male and not young. They
6:25
combed area missing persons records
6:27
and found no one who fit this
6:29
admittedly broad description. Even
6:32
worse, A lot of time had passed
6:34
since the murder, a significant setback
6:36
for any investigation. They
6:38
knew they had already been at least
6:40
ten days removed from when this
6:43
murder may have occurred. So
6:45
they they knew the clock was taken
6:48
So
6:48
there was a lot of catch up to do in order
6:50
to find out some of these things to figure out exactly
6:52
what it is that happened. The boat belonged
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to a seventy year old man named
6:56
for Nando Silva. Police
6:58
contacted his brother who hadn't heard
7:00
from him for days, but was
7:02
able to provide valuable information. We
7:05
were able to actually pinpoint a
7:07
date and a time that his boat
7:09
was docked at a mariner. We began our investigation
7:12
at that location. Now the
7:14
detectives knew where the boat was docked
7:16
before the macro burst storm. They
7:18
had a starting point. They questioned
7:20
the man who worked security at that
7:22
Marina, He was able to
7:24
confirm that the boat
7:26
in question was entered several
7:28
times by two young males. at
7:31
very odd hours being very early
7:33
in the morning. And
7:35
he stated that he questioned him on
7:38
about three different occasions. These
7:40
two men, the security man, didn't
7:42
know them, said they were helping a man
7:44
who identified himself as
7:46
Freddie installed a new engine.
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they came back repeatedly in the days
7:51
before the macroverse storm to
7:53
continue their work. They came back
7:55
with what appeared to be a new
7:57
motor, but they weren't too mechanically
7:59
savvy and were unable to get the boat started.
8:02
Detectives needed to identify these
8:04
two men. But
8:06
first, they had to see if the
8:08
dead man in the morgue was Fernando
8:10
Silva. Many people recognized
8:13
the name. They knew a navy veteran,
8:15
nicknamed Captain Freddie, who
8:17
was a regular on the docks.
8:19
Freddie, why are you headed?
8:21
Captain Freddie was sort of
8:24
a maritime Vagabond, I
8:27
would say. He had no
8:29
experience with boats. fell
8:31
in love with boats and wasn't really sure
8:33
what what to do with them.
8:35
Other than to be on them,
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he lived on his
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boat.
8:40
Freddie chronicled his feelings in a book
8:42
he was writing called The
8:44
Blessing voyage. he was such a
8:46
character that even local filmmakers got
8:48
him to tell his story. I bought
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it because it was actually bigger.
8:53
than the car. The car
8:55
was forming the park, but I just
8:57
abandoned it
8:57
-- Yeah. -- in the parking lot, and
9:00
I walked those way back to the bowl and that was
9:02
the end of that. Dental
9:05
records were found and matched
9:07
dental x rays from the victim,
9:09
a DNA comparison with a known relative
9:12
confirmed his identity. It was
9:14
mister
9:14
Fernando Silva, sometimes
9:16
called captain Freddy to his
9:18
friends at Marina. We have a
9:20
definite forensic method for
9:22
identifying him. Now
9:24
that police knew who captain Freddie
9:27
was, They backtracked him in the days
9:29
leading to the macroverse storm that
9:31
sent his boat out to sea.
9:33
Four nights before that storm, Captain
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Freddie won several hundred dollars
9:38
playing Kino, a legal computer
9:40
gambling game found all over the region.
9:43
He was known as being very lucky.
9:46
And in the establishment that
9:48
he frequented, they all knew him as playing
9:50
that. very often. Shortly
9:52
before the storm, captain Freddie hit it
9:54
big playing keynote, and he
9:56
let a lot of people know it. He didn't have
9:58
very much money. So
9:59
when he's bucket in his mind,
10:02
he hit the jackpot. This was
10:04
a big big win
10:06
for him. And he
10:09
was excited about it. But when
10:11
captain Freddie was found dead, that
10:13
money was gone. It wasn't in
10:15
his boat or with his
10:17
body. The captain didn't have
10:19
much, but it appeared what literally
10:21
had may have led to his
10:23
murder. A couple
10:24
people saw that he won and
10:27
also family, their knowledge of
10:29
him winning that money might have
10:31
led to the
10:32
crime.
10:36
It can
10:41
be a surprise to some folks that I live
10:43
in a small town, like a really
10:45
small town. People wonder,
10:47
don't you miss having Postmates or
10:50
a ramen spot just around corner.
10:52
This is town sizing, a
10:54
podcast from HGTV, all
10:56
about small town living, and I'm
10:58
your host Ann Helen Peterson. On
11:00
downsizing,
11:00
we aim to get to the bottom
11:02
of one question.
11:04
What exactly is the mystique in
11:06
a
11:06
lure of the American and small town. Listen to
11:08
town sizing from HGTV wherever
11:10
you get your podcasts.
11:20
After
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captain Freddie Silva's boat was
11:22
found at sea during a severe a
11:25
storm, it was towed back to a local
11:27
marina. Detectives traced
11:29
the boat back to where it was originally
11:31
docked, and discovered that two
11:33
unknown men had spent a lot of time on the
11:35
captain's boat in the days
11:37
after he went missing. In a
11:39
crucial break for investigators, These
11:41
men were recorded by surveillance
11:44
cameras. I was going through
11:46
basically two weeks of video, twenty four hours
11:48
a day, seven days a week, which was
11:50
about twenty thousand video files.
11:52
You really have to look at everything because we
11:54
don't know what happened, how what happened, and not
11:56
necessarily these two were necessarily the ones
11:58
involved. People at the Marina
12:00
told detectives that one of these
12:02
men might be Troy Gunderway,
12:04
a local man, a petty
12:06
criminal, almost instantly
12:08
recognizable because of the
12:10
large eye tattooed on his
12:12
skull. Troy Gundaway
12:14
was a resident of Warwick,
12:16
who been in and out of prison. He
12:19
had worked odds and end jobs
12:21
when he wasn't. incarcerated.
12:26
A
12:26
further investigation learned that Troy
12:29
Gondoy had known Fernando
12:31
Silva prior to the murder. and that
12:33
he in fact had assisted
12:35
Fernando in attempting to get a
12:37
motor for that boat on a previous date.
12:41
Detectives
12:41
asked Troy Gunderway about the
12:43
other man who was seen working with him
12:45
on captain Freddie's boat. Mister
12:47
Gunderway said that he used the that
12:49
he called Big Red and his
12:52
believes his real name was Rich.
12:54
After a little digging, detectives
12:56
came up with the name Richard Baribold.
12:59
Richard Baribold had
13:01
had several runs with the
13:03
police. He had served
13:05
approximately a quarter of his
13:07
life behind bars. Most
13:09
of it was drug related,
13:11
alcohol related, and domestic abuse
13:13
related. A further background check
13:15
showed Baribold had a suspended
13:17
driver's license, and he
13:19
was driving a pickup truck that
13:21
might or might not be the one in
13:23
this surveillance video shot near
13:25
the merino with a captain doctor's
13:27
boat. On the night that we
13:29
believe captain Freddie was
13:31
killed, A maroon pickup
13:33
truck with the same sticker pattern is found
13:35
on mister bareboat pickup truck,
13:38
left the mariner at pretty much the
13:40
time that we thought the incident
13:42
had occurred. Now that
13:44
detectives knew who barrel bolt was,
13:46
they simply waited until they got
13:48
behind the wheel and pulled him
13:50
over. At
13:51
which point he was arrested for operating
13:53
on a suspended license and operating a
13:55
motor vehicle without registration. In
13:57
one of Barable's pockets, they
13:59
found a
13:59
knife with a blade over three
14:02
inches in itself, a
14:04
violation of state law. Even worse
14:06
for Baribold, the knife
14:08
appeared to have blood on it. I
14:10
asked mister Baribold if there would
14:12
be any reason for blood to be on
14:14
the knife. he said the only
14:16
reasons would be his own
14:18
blood, which he might have cut himself, or
14:20
the blood of fish when he has gone fishing.
14:22
The knife was sent out for
14:25
testing. Baribold admitted to
14:27
police that he saw Freddie the knife he
14:29
died, but said Troy
14:31
Gunderway had murdered the captain, not
14:33
him. The only workaround to at
14:35
this point is you had told
14:37
us this I was in. He he, you
14:39
know, he he hit all the I don't know why the he was
14:41
on it, and I tried to get him to stop it.
14:43
because he wanted me to
14:44
Yep. you wanna, like the only
14:47
described the CBS franchise stories at this point
14:49
pretty much
14:50
is fucking restless. I'm assuming.
14:52
turning
14:53
right now, Sam. I'm just telling you that's
14:55
only discrepancy at this point. Who was
14:57
the aggressive? Him at
14:59
this point But what
15:01
Baribold didn't know was that
15:03
investigators had a surprise piece
15:05
of evidence, his own
15:08
voice. trying to get information
15:10
on how to cover up a
15:12
murder. So in the search
15:14
warrant, when they
15:16
searched with Google
15:18
through a voice search on the phone. It
15:20
actually records your
15:22
voice in your exact
15:24
words. where would War
15:26
Harbor Master take
15:28
a towboat?
15:31
It
15:34
can
15:36
be a surprise to some folks that I
15:38
live in a small town, like a really
15:40
small town. People wonder,
15:42
don't you miss having Postmates
15:44
or a
15:45
ramen spot just around the corner? This
15:47
is town sizing. A
15:49
podcast from HGTV all about
15:51
small town living. And I'm your
15:53
host, Anne Helen Peterson. On
15:55
downsizing, we aim to get to
15:57
the bottom of one question. What
15:59
exactly
15:59
is the mystique and allure
16:01
of the American small town? Listen to
16:03
town sizing from HGTV wherever you
16:06
get your podcasts.
16:15
Troy Underway told police he and
16:18
Richard Baribold knew captain
16:20
Freddie was flushed with cash
16:22
after his wins at Kino, and
16:24
their plan was to steal that
16:26
money. Should they decided that due to his
16:28
age and the fact that he was on a boat
16:30
and there probably wouldn't be anybody else around.
16:32
They thought he'd be an easy target Rob.
16:35
Baribolt and Guntherway pointed
16:37
fingers at each other as captain
16:39
Freddie's killer. Detectives thought
16:41
both men were involved, but
16:43
they needed evidence to prove it, so
16:45
they confiscated and examined
16:47
both men's cellphones. Typically,
16:49
when we get a phone, We go
16:51
through an extraction process where we hook the phone
16:53
up to a forensic computer, and we
16:56
extract the information from the hard drive of
16:58
that phone. that's gonna include something
17:01
simple as user settings to things
17:03
like location history, telephone calls,
17:05
chats, apps that you've used, there's a myriad of
17:07
information that you can get from that.
17:09
In fact, a lot of information vital
17:11
to any murder investigation.
17:14
where the suspect was, what time
17:16
he was there, who he was
17:19
talking to, can be gleaned
17:21
from a forensic examination of a
17:23
cell phone. And by arable's bone was
17:25
a potential gold mine of
17:27
evidence. We were able to
17:29
determine the location
17:31
of the cell phone prior
17:34
to the murder, the night of the murder, during the murder,
17:37
and after the murder. And therefore, we
17:39
can link the cell phone location with mister
17:41
Baribald. The examination showed
17:44
both suspect's phones were on captain
17:46
Freddie's boat early on the morning of
17:48
August first. Just hours
17:50
after the captain, one big Plankino.
17:53
And those phones were also at the
17:55
boat many times in the days that
17:57
followed. But some questions remained.
17:59
who's holding the
17:59
phone, who's making the
18:01
call, a lot of that stuff, you know,
18:03
you could come up with a defense, you could come
18:05
up with an skews for an hour by. A combination
18:07
of evidence solved that problem. The
18:10
locations provided by both
18:12
suspects' phones matched up
18:14
to the second. with
18:16
surveillance images of two
18:18
previously unknown men
18:20
getting on and off captain Freddie's
18:22
boat. Over the course of four days, I saw
18:24
them come and go from the boat a
18:26
minimum of ten times. Even
18:29
though Richard Baribold maintained his
18:31
innocence, the most damning clue
18:33
against him came straight from his
18:35
own mouth. through a voice search he did on his
18:37
Google search engine. Between
18:39
August first and August fourth, we were able to
18:41
find from Google several audio
18:43
recordings and mister Barab voice.
18:45
Does bleach kill
18:48
everything including skin
18:50
cells? That
18:52
was very telling due to the fact
18:54
that we found a gallon full
18:56
of bleach where mister Silver
18:58
was located. The evidence was
19:00
overwhelmed There were
19:02
many questions which
19:06
he was asking good
19:08
Google to see if
19:10
the answers would be right there for
19:12
him. Fulton Motor Mechanic and
19:14
Ward what I point. By now,
19:17
the results from the forensic examination
19:19
of Barable's knife had come in
19:21
and confirmed what investigators
19:24
already suspected. The blood was
19:26
kept in Freddie's. There's really no other
19:28
reason for his blood to be on that knife
19:30
except that he was there at the
19:32
time when mister
19:34
Silver was murdered. Prosecutors
19:36
believe Gunderway and Baribold new
19:38
captain Freddie had won a couple hundred dollars
19:41
playing keynote. They snuck onto
19:43
the captain's boat expecting to overpower
19:45
him and steal his money.
19:47
On board, Baribold held captain Freddie
19:49
of knife point. drawing the blood
19:51
that remained on the weapon even weeks
19:54
after the attack. When Freddie fought
19:56
back, he was beaten, strangled,
19:58
and left for dead. the next four
19:59
days, Baribold and Gunderway tried to
20:02
clean up the scene, doing
20:04
Google searches on Baribold's
20:06
phone to see how could
20:08
best do the job. At every
20:10
moment in the attempted cover up,
20:12
their phones and surveillance
20:15
video documented their
20:17
locations. In an attempt to
20:19
hide the evidence, they drove
20:21
captain Freddie's boat out to sea and
20:23
abandoned it,
20:24
hoping this floating crime scene would
20:26
never be found. But
20:29
the macro burst storm, just
20:31
day after the murder
20:33
did something they hadn't counted on.
20:35
It caused the boat to float
20:37
back towards the shoreline, where
20:39
it was later found by the harbormaster. Ultimately,
20:42
captain Freddie's decomposing body exposed
20:44
the crime and tied
20:47
Baribold and gunned away to
20:49
his boat. his corpse and
20:51
to his murder. But it
20:53
was Baribold's own voice
20:55
looking for information on how
20:57
to conceal the crime that
21:00
sealed his fate. What
21:02
town in Rhode Island have garbage
21:04
days, garbage pick up on
21:07
Friday a Google search has a
21:09
date, a timestamp, and a
21:11
GPS coordinate location of that
21:13
exact search. There was no denying.
21:15
It was his voice, asking
21:18
that question at that specific time
21:20
in that specific location.
21:25
In two thousand seventeen,
21:27
Troy Underway plead guilty to
21:29
second degree murder and got fifty five
21:31
years in prison. Richard
21:34
Big Red Baribold, who
21:36
elected despite the evidence against
21:38
him to go to trial,
21:40
got life plus ten years. all
21:42
for a murder that came down to just
21:44
a few hundred dollars. Captain
21:47
Freddie had
21:47
a large and loving family
21:50
and they're very supportive of him and
21:53
and everything that he did. It
21:55
was very emotional. Those wounds are
21:57
very much real and very much
22:00
still fresh. and the have to
22:02
hear, the evidence, and what happened that
22:04
night, and how these people just went on with their
22:06
regular lives and didn't really
22:08
give a much thought after they got rid
22:10
of the boat, it's
22:12
tough. It's
22:13
always good to catch the
22:16
bad guy. But in this particular case,
22:18
that satisfaction is is
22:20
multiplied when you can go to the family and say, hey,
22:22
listen, you know, unfortunate
22:24
circumstances, but we're able to find the person responsible and
22:26
they're gonna pay for what they did.
22:28
The electronic evidence that
22:30
we're able to get definitely
22:33
sealed the deal with
22:35
the jury's eyes. A
22:38
lot of jury's want
22:40
the CSI fingerprints,
22:42
they want that undeniable
22:45
evidence. And just so
22:47
happened, we were able to get
22:49
that. I'm
22:51
a former
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dougie from CNN five
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Things, and I'm
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