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0:05

Up next, this investigation

0:08

is off to a shaky start.

0:09

This is a whole different type

0:11

of autopsy because of the

0:14

condition of his body.

0:15

A lot of valuable time and

0:17

clues have been lost. As time

0:19

goes on, you can lose DNA evidence,

0:21

you can lose witnesses. Detectives fear

0:24

a killer won't be caught until

0:26

his own words seal his fate. But

0:28

which kill skin

0:30

cells? In twenty six years,

0:32

I've never had the killer's voice

0:35

basically, igniting what he did right

0:37

there on audio.

0:57

founded

1:00

in sixteen forty warwick

1:02

Rhode Island is one of the oldest cities

1:05

in America, a place long defined

1:07

by its proximity to the Atlantic

1:09

Ocean.

1:10

We have so much coastline that

1:12

water life is inherent

1:15

to everybody who lives here. I know so many

1:17

people that have a boat. So obviously

1:19

in the summer that's when people are out

1:21

on their boats and their parked at marinas,

1:24

dengue, all sorts of, you know, apparatus

1:27

related to the boats

1:29

Countless boats and lives

1:31

have been lost to the sea over the decades.

1:34

Many falling victim to volatile weather

1:37

From the West Bay Mobile News Room, I would astute

1:39

moves to West Warwick, where we're getting a

1:41

great look of the storm that we've

1:43

never seen before. On August fourth

1:46

two thousand fifteen, a weather

1:48

phenomenon known as a macroburst devastated

1:51

the area. This was an unusual

1:54

event. My guess is they

1:56

were in the range of ninety

1:58

to a hundred and twenty mile an hour wins.

2:00

The only way that I can think of describing

2:03

it sort of a mini tornado. A

2:06

storm with this kind of power wreaked havoc

2:09

on many boats along the coast it

2:11

was chaotic. The microburst had

2:13

everything out of sorts. It wasn't uncommon

2:15

for boats to be pulled off their mooring

2:17

or taken off their anchor. So

2:19

when in the aftermath of the storm,

2:22

the local Harbour Master saw a

2:24

twenty six foot sailboat called the

2:26

star Capella floating off

2:28

the shore. He didn't think much of it.

2:30

The boat was dragging anchor.

2:32

Of course, he called out before he

2:34

boarded the boat. Nobody answered.

2:37

So he took the boat,

2:39

put it onto one of the city moorings.

2:42

Before he did that, he checked the

2:44

boat,

2:45

looked in, saw a lot of

2:47

debris, cushions, no

2:50

signs of anybody in

2:53

the boat. The harbormaster towed

2:55

the boat to a mooring for safe keeping.

2:58

No one claimed it. When

3:00

he came back eleven days later, he

3:02

noticed unusual There

3:04

was a very foul odor coming from

3:06

the boat, so he boarded it.

3:09

Let's see if he can find out where that smell

3:11

was coming from.

3:12

The smell was coming from a badly

3:14

decomposed human body, covered

3:17

up with a jumble of material from inside

3:19

the boat, The body wasn't found

3:21

during the initial search because the

3:24

harbormaster hadn't expected to

3:26

find anyone on board. And

3:28

also because the body was covered

3:30

with debris. We could not

3:32

tell if the body was a male or female,

3:36

age, race, prior

3:39

two weeks to that point had been in the

3:41

mid eighties to lower nineties.

3:44

So the weather and the conditions

3:47

did not help in our investigation.

3:51

The body was so decomposed. Detectives

3:54

couldn't even tell how or when

3:56

the victim died. Was the death

3:58

something that was completely

3:59

accidental or

4:02

was this the result of some other acts

4:04

possibly even a homicide. The

4:06

medical examiner was presented

4:08

with a body nearly devoid of identifying

4:11

features our number one challenge

4:13

in

4:13

this case, because I don't know who this is.

4:16

After we undressed the body, we could tell

4:18

it had male features and that's basically

4:20

all we can say, we don't know the age. We

4:22

don't know the race.

4:23

And obviously, fingerprints

4:26

are no longer there. They had decomposed

4:28

way that melted away. A full autopsy

4:31

showed the victim at broken ribs.

4:34

Despite the decomposition, bruising

4:36

was deep in the victim's skull.

4:38

But these findings didn't necessarily

4:41

indicate foul play. After

4:43

all, the macroburst storm

4:45

was unusually powerful.

4:47

Could it have been that the boat

4:49

was knocked around so much? that

4:52

the person could have slipped and fallen, hit

4:54

their head, and then things landed on them.

4:57

Was he murdered and then covered

4:59

up? or was it just an

5:01

accident in really bad weather?

5:03

A key finding put the accident

5:06

theory to rest, the victim's high

5:08

oi bone. A floating bone located

5:10

in the neck was broken.

5:12

That would not have happened accidentally. It

5:14

was

5:14

a true fracture

5:16

This one little bone will tell me that there

5:18

was significant pressure applied to the

5:20

neck, and he was basically strangled.

5:22

Doctors and detectives now

5:25

knew their victim had been murdered. The

5:27

problem was days had passed

5:29

and they still had no idea who

5:31

he was.

5:39

It can be a surprise to some folks that I

5:41

live in a small town, like a really

5:43

small town. People wonder, don't

5:45

you miss having postmates or

5:47

a ramen's spot just around the corner.

5:49

This is town sizing,

5:51

a podcast from HGTV, all

5:53

about small town living, and I'm

5:55

your host, Ann Helen Peterson.

5:57

On downsizing, we aim to get to the

5:59

bottom of one question.

6:01

What exactly is the mystique

6:04

in

6:04

allure of the American and small town. Listen

6:06

to town sizing from HGTV wherever

6:08

you get your podcasts.

6:18

About the only thing detectives knew about

6:21

their murder victim was that he was a

6:23

male and not young. They

6:25

combed area missing persons records

6:27

and found no one who fit this

6:29

admittedly broad description. Even

6:32

worse, A lot of time had passed

6:34

since the murder, a significant setback

6:36

for any investigation. They

6:38

knew they had already been at least

6:40

ten days removed from when this

6:43

murder may have occurred. So

6:45

they they knew the clock was taken

6:48

So

6:48

there was a lot of catch up to do in order

6:50

to find out some of these things to figure out exactly

6:52

what it is that happened. The boat belonged

6:54

to a seventy year old man named

6:56

for Nando Silva. Police

6:58

contacted his brother who hadn't heard

7:00

from him for days, but was

7:02

able to provide valuable information. We

7:05

were able to actually pinpoint a

7:07

date and a time that his boat

7:09

was docked at a mariner. We began our investigation

7:12

at that location. Now the

7:14

detectives knew where the boat was docked

7:16

before the macro burst storm. They

7:18

had a starting point. They questioned

7:20

the man who worked security at that

7:22

Marina, He was able to

7:24

confirm that the boat

7:26

in question was entered several

7:28

times by two young males. at

7:31

very odd hours being very early

7:33

in the morning. And

7:35

he stated that he questioned him on

7:38

about three different occasions. These

7:40

two men, the security man, didn't

7:42

know them, said they were helping a man

7:44

who identified himself as

7:46

Freddie installed a new engine.

7:49

they came back repeatedly in the days

7:51

before the macroverse storm to

7:53

continue their work. They came back

7:55

with what appeared to be a new

7:57

motor, but they weren't too mechanically

7:59

savvy and were unable to get the boat started.

8:02

Detectives needed to identify these

8:04

two men. But

8:06

first, they had to see if the

8:08

dead man in the morgue was Fernando

8:10

Silva. Many people recognized

8:13

the name. They knew a navy veteran,

8:15

nicknamed Captain Freddie, who

8:17

was a regular on the docks.

8:19

Freddie, why are you headed?

8:21

Captain Freddie was sort of

8:24

a maritime Vagabond, I

8:27

would say. He had no

8:29

experience with boats. fell

8:31

in love with boats and wasn't really sure

8:33

what what to do with them.

8:35

Other than to be on them,

8:37

he lived on his

8:39

boat.

8:40

Freddie chronicled his feelings in a book

8:42

he was writing called The

8:44

Blessing voyage. he was such a

8:46

character that even local filmmakers got

8:48

him to tell his story. I bought

8:50

it because it was actually bigger.

8:53

than the car. The car

8:55

was forming the park, but I just

8:57

abandoned it

8:57

-- Yeah. -- in the parking lot, and

9:00

I walked those way back to the bowl and that was

9:02

the end of that. Dental

9:05

records were found and matched

9:07

dental x rays from the victim,

9:09

a DNA comparison with a known relative

9:12

confirmed his identity. It was

9:14

mister

9:14

Fernando Silva, sometimes

9:16

called captain Freddy to his

9:18

friends at Marina. We have a

9:20

definite forensic method for

9:22

identifying him. Now

9:24

that police knew who captain Freddie

9:27

was, They backtracked him in the days

9:29

leading to the macroverse storm that

9:31

sent his boat out to sea.

9:33

Four nights before that storm, Captain

9:36

Freddie won several hundred dollars

9:38

playing Kino, a legal computer

9:40

gambling game found all over the region.

9:43

He was known as being very lucky.

9:46

And in the establishment that

9:48

he frequented, they all knew him as playing

9:50

that. very often. Shortly

9:52

before the storm, captain Freddie hit it

9:54

big playing keynote, and he

9:56

let a lot of people know it. He didn't have

9:58

very much money. So

9:59

when he's bucket in his mind,

10:02

he hit the jackpot. This was

10:04

a big big win

10:06

for him. And he

10:09

was excited about it. But when

10:11

captain Freddie was found dead, that

10:13

money was gone. It wasn't in

10:15

his boat or with his

10:17

body. The captain didn't have

10:19

much, but it appeared what literally

10:21

had may have led to his

10:23

murder. A couple

10:24

people saw that he won and

10:27

also family, their knowledge of

10:29

him winning that money might have

10:31

led to the

10:32

crime.

10:36

It can

10:41

be a surprise to some folks that I live

10:43

in a small town, like a really

10:45

small town. People wonder,

10:47

don't you miss having Postmates or

10:50

a ramen spot just around corner.

10:52

This is town sizing, a

10:54

podcast from HGTV, all

10:56

about small town living, and I'm

10:58

your host Ann Helen Peterson. On

11:00

downsizing,

11:00

we aim to get to the bottom

11:02

of one question.

11:04

What exactly is the mystique in

11:06

a

11:06

lure of the American and small town. Listen to

11:08

town sizing from HGTV wherever

11:10

you get your podcasts.

11:20

After

11:20

captain Freddie Silva's boat was

11:22

found at sea during a severe a

11:25

storm, it was towed back to a local

11:27

marina. Detectives traced

11:29

the boat back to where it was originally

11:31

docked, and discovered that two

11:33

unknown men had spent a lot of time on the

11:35

captain's boat in the days

11:37

after he went missing. In a

11:39

crucial break for investigators, These

11:41

men were recorded by surveillance

11:44

cameras. I was going through

11:46

basically two weeks of video, twenty four hours

11:48

a day, seven days a week, which was

11:50

about twenty thousand video files.

11:52

You really have to look at everything because we

11:54

don't know what happened, how what happened, and not

11:56

necessarily these two were necessarily the ones

11:58

involved. People at the Marina

12:00

told detectives that one of these

12:02

men might be Troy Gunderway,

12:04

a local man, a petty

12:06

criminal, almost instantly

12:08

recognizable because of the

12:10

large eye tattooed on his

12:12

skull. Troy Gundaway

12:14

was a resident of Warwick,

12:16

who been in and out of prison. He

12:19

had worked odds and end jobs

12:21

when he wasn't. incarcerated.

12:26

A

12:26

further investigation learned that Troy

12:29

Gondoy had known Fernando

12:31

Silva prior to the murder. and that

12:33

he in fact had assisted

12:35

Fernando in attempting to get a

12:37

motor for that boat on a previous date.

12:41

Detectives

12:41

asked Troy Gunderway about the

12:43

other man who was seen working with him

12:45

on captain Freddie's boat. Mister

12:47

Gunderway said that he used the that

12:49

he called Big Red and his

12:52

believes his real name was Rich.

12:54

After a little digging, detectives

12:56

came up with the name Richard Baribold.

12:59

Richard Baribold had

13:01

had several runs with the

13:03

police. He had served

13:05

approximately a quarter of his

13:07

life behind bars. Most

13:09

of it was drug related,

13:11

alcohol related, and domestic abuse

13:13

related. A further background check

13:15

showed Baribold had a suspended

13:17

driver's license, and he

13:19

was driving a pickup truck that

13:21

might or might not be the one in

13:23

this surveillance video shot near

13:25

the merino with a captain doctor's

13:27

boat. On the night that we

13:29

believe captain Freddie was

13:31

killed, A maroon pickup

13:33

truck with the same sticker pattern is found

13:35

on mister bareboat pickup truck,

13:38

left the mariner at pretty much the

13:40

time that we thought the incident

13:42

had occurred. Now that

13:44

detectives knew who barrel bolt was,

13:46

they simply waited until they got

13:48

behind the wheel and pulled him

13:50

over. At

13:51

which point he was arrested for operating

13:53

on a suspended license and operating a

13:55

motor vehicle without registration. In

13:57

one of Barable's pockets, they

13:59

found a

13:59

knife with a blade over three

14:02

inches in itself, a

14:04

violation of state law. Even worse

14:06

for Baribold, the knife

14:08

appeared to have blood on it. I

14:10

asked mister Baribold if there would

14:12

be any reason for blood to be on

14:14

the knife. he said the only

14:16

reasons would be his own

14:18

blood, which he might have cut himself, or

14:20

the blood of fish when he has gone fishing.

14:22

The knife was sent out for

14:25

testing. Baribold admitted to

14:27

police that he saw Freddie the knife he

14:29

died, but said Troy

14:31

Gunderway had murdered the captain, not

14:33

him. The only workaround to at

14:35

this point is you had told

14:37

us this I was in. He he, you

14:39

know, he he hit all the I don't know why the he was

14:41

on it, and I tried to get him to stop it.

14:43

because he wanted me to

14:44

Yep. you wanna, like the only

14:47

described the CBS franchise stories at this point

14:49

pretty much

14:50

is fucking restless. I'm assuming.

14:52

turning

14:53

right now, Sam. I'm just telling you that's

14:55

only discrepancy at this point. Who was

14:57

the aggressive? Him at

14:59

this point But what

15:01

Baribold didn't know was that

15:03

investigators had a surprise piece

15:05

of evidence, his own

15:08

voice. trying to get information

15:10

on how to cover up a

15:12

murder. So in the search

15:14

warrant, when they

15:16

searched with Google

15:18

through a voice search on the phone. It

15:20

actually records your

15:22

voice in your exact

15:24

words. where would War

15:26

Harbor Master take

15:28

a towboat?

15:31

It

15:34

can

15:36

be a surprise to some folks that I

15:38

live in a small town, like a really

15:40

small town. People wonder,

15:42

don't you miss having Postmates

15:44

or a

15:45

ramen spot just around the corner? This

15:47

is town sizing. A

15:49

podcast from HGTV all about

15:51

small town living. And I'm your

15:53

host, Anne Helen Peterson. On

15:55

downsizing, we aim to get to

15:57

the bottom of one question. What

15:59

exactly

15:59

is the mystique and allure

16:01

of the American small town? Listen to

16:03

town sizing from HGTV wherever you

16:06

get your podcasts.

16:15

Troy Underway told police he and

16:18

Richard Baribold knew captain

16:20

Freddie was flushed with cash

16:22

after his wins at Kino, and

16:24

their plan was to steal that

16:26

money. Should they decided that due to his

16:28

age and the fact that he was on a boat

16:30

and there probably wouldn't be anybody else around.

16:32

They thought he'd be an easy target Rob.

16:35

Baribolt and Guntherway pointed

16:37

fingers at each other as captain

16:39

Freddie's killer. Detectives thought

16:41

both men were involved, but

16:43

they needed evidence to prove it, so

16:45

they confiscated and examined

16:47

both men's cellphones. Typically,

16:49

when we get a phone, We go

16:51

through an extraction process where we hook the phone

16:53

up to a forensic computer, and we

16:56

extract the information from the hard drive of

16:58

that phone. that's gonna include something

17:01

simple as user settings to things

17:03

like location history, telephone calls,

17:05

chats, apps that you've used, there's a myriad of

17:07

information that you can get from that.

17:09

In fact, a lot of information vital

17:11

to any murder investigation.

17:14

where the suspect was, what time

17:16

he was there, who he was

17:19

talking to, can be gleaned

17:21

from a forensic examination of a

17:23

cell phone. And by arable's bone was

17:25

a potential gold mine of

17:27

evidence. We were able to

17:29

determine the location

17:31

of the cell phone prior

17:34

to the murder, the night of the murder, during the murder,

17:37

and after the murder. And therefore, we

17:39

can link the cell phone location with mister

17:41

Baribald. The examination showed

17:44

both suspect's phones were on captain

17:46

Freddie's boat early on the morning of

17:48

August first. Just hours

17:50

after the captain, one big Plankino.

17:53

And those phones were also at the

17:55

boat many times in the days that

17:57

followed. But some questions remained.

17:59

who's holding the

17:59

phone, who's making the

18:01

call, a lot of that stuff, you know,

18:03

you could come up with a defense, you could come

18:05

up with an skews for an hour by. A combination

18:07

of evidence solved that problem. The

18:10

locations provided by both

18:12

suspects' phones matched up

18:14

to the second. with

18:16

surveillance images of two

18:18

previously unknown men

18:20

getting on and off captain Freddie's

18:22

boat. Over the course of four days, I saw

18:24

them come and go from the boat a

18:26

minimum of ten times. Even

18:29

though Richard Baribold maintained his

18:31

innocence, the most damning clue

18:33

against him came straight from his

18:35

own mouth. through a voice search he did on his

18:37

Google search engine. Between

18:39

August first and August fourth, we were able to

18:41

find from Google several audio

18:43

recordings and mister Barab voice.

18:45

Does bleach kill

18:48

everything including skin

18:50

cells? That

18:52

was very telling due to the fact

18:54

that we found a gallon full

18:56

of bleach where mister Silver

18:58

was located. The evidence was

19:00

overwhelmed There were

19:02

many questions which

19:06

he was asking good

19:08

Google to see if

19:10

the answers would be right there for

19:12

him. Fulton Motor Mechanic and

19:14

Ward what I point. By now,

19:17

the results from the forensic examination

19:19

of Barable's knife had come in

19:21

and confirmed what investigators

19:24

already suspected. The blood was

19:26

kept in Freddie's. There's really no other

19:28

reason for his blood to be on that knife

19:30

except that he was there at the

19:32

time when mister

19:34

Silver was murdered. Prosecutors

19:36

believe Gunderway and Baribold new

19:38

captain Freddie had won a couple hundred dollars

19:41

playing keynote. They snuck onto

19:43

the captain's boat expecting to overpower

19:45

him and steal his money.

19:47

On board, Baribold held captain Freddie

19:49

of knife point. drawing the blood

19:51

that remained on the weapon even weeks

19:54

after the attack. When Freddie fought

19:56

back, he was beaten, strangled,

19:58

and left for dead. the next four

19:59

days, Baribold and Gunderway tried to

20:02

clean up the scene, doing

20:04

Google searches on Baribold's

20:06

phone to see how could

20:08

best do the job. At every

20:10

moment in the attempted cover up,

20:12

their phones and surveillance

20:15

video documented their

20:17

locations. In an attempt to

20:19

hide the evidence, they drove

20:21

captain Freddie's boat out to sea and

20:23

abandoned it,

20:24

hoping this floating crime scene would

20:26

never be found. But

20:29

the macro burst storm, just

20:31

day after the murder

20:33

did something they hadn't counted on.

20:35

It caused the boat to float

20:37

back towards the shoreline, where

20:39

it was later found by the harbormaster. Ultimately,

20:42

captain Freddie's decomposing body exposed

20:44

the crime and tied

20:47

Baribold and gunned away to

20:49

his boat. his corpse and

20:51

to his murder. But it

20:53

was Baribold's own voice

20:55

looking for information on how

20:57

to conceal the crime that

21:00

sealed his fate. What

21:02

town in Rhode Island have garbage

21:04

days, garbage pick up on

21:07

Friday a Google search has a

21:09

date, a timestamp, and a

21:11

GPS coordinate location of that

21:13

exact search. There was no denying.

21:15

It was his voice, asking

21:18

that question at that specific time

21:20

in that specific location.

21:25

In two thousand seventeen,

21:27

Troy Underway plead guilty to

21:29

second degree murder and got fifty five

21:31

years in prison. Richard

21:34

Big Red Baribold, who

21:36

elected despite the evidence against

21:38

him to go to trial,

21:40

got life plus ten years. all

21:42

for a murder that came down to just

21:44

a few hundred dollars. Captain

21:47

Freddie had

21:47

a large and loving family

21:50

and they're very supportive of him and

21:53

and everything that he did. It

21:55

was very emotional. Those wounds are

21:57

very much real and very much

22:00

still fresh. and the have to

22:02

hear, the evidence, and what happened that

22:04

night, and how these people just went on with their

22:06

regular lives and didn't really

22:08

give a much thought after they got rid

22:10

of the boat, it's

22:12

tough. It's

22:13

always good to catch the

22:16

bad guy. But in this particular case,

22:18

that satisfaction is is

22:20

multiplied when you can go to the family and say, hey,

22:22

listen, you know, unfortunate

22:24

circumstances, but we're able to find the person responsible and

22:26

they're gonna pay for what they did.

22:28

The electronic evidence that

22:30

we're able to get definitely

22:33

sealed the deal with

22:35

the jury's eyes. A

22:38

lot of jury's want

22:40

the CSI fingerprints,

22:42

they want that undeniable

22:45

evidence. And just so

22:47

happened, we were able to get

22:49

that. I'm

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a former

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