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is Football Social Daily, your award winning

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Premier League Podcast, and the season is

2:15

almost at an end. We are only

2:17

two games away for some, one game

2:19

away for others, are finding

2:21

out the fate of season 2023-2024. The title

2:23

race continues, it rumbles on to the

2:27

final day, but there's still plenty

2:29

to be decided right throughout the Premier

2:31

League table, except probably at the bottom.

2:34

Luton are still able to survive, but

2:36

they need a massive goal difference

2:38

swing. Burnley and Sheffield United are

2:40

back in the Championship next season. Welcome

2:43

to the Podcast, my name's Niall, joined

2:45

as always by Marley Anderson and Joel

2:47

Tudor, and we are back. We are

2:49

back for Football Social Daily after a

2:51

short exodus to different corners

2:53

of the planet. Joel's been in Portugal,

2:55

I've been in America, but how

2:58

are you doing Marley? Holding the fort down for the

3:00

last few days? Yeah,

3:02

keeping the fort intact and

3:04

going. Having to

3:06

upload the podcast last week by

3:08

myself, which was funny after... What

3:10

a chore that was. That must have been

3:12

terribly painful. It was painful

3:14

after the voicemail was too sent with

3:17

the 10 hour time difference or whatever it was.

3:20

You mean the ones that didn't make the cut? The

3:22

ones that didn't make the cut, yeah. They will see the

3:24

light of day at some point. Maybe we need to, if

3:27

we ever made a Patreon or something like that, maybe

3:29

that's the sort of place where those

3:32

voice notes will be stored. Can we

3:34

just take a moment to appreciate

3:37

that Barry White has joined us on the

3:39

podcast today? I've got many, many episodes of

3:41

Barry White in me since I've gone away

3:43

during this podcast era. Honestly, the last two

3:45

days, I was protecting my voice

3:47

like I was winning 1,090th minute of

3:50

the Champions League final. I was being so quiet with

3:52

everyone because I was like, guys, I need my voice

3:54

next week or it's just not going to work. Also,

3:57

it was quite funny how it went because I

3:59

was in... Barcelona and Lagos not the Nigeria Lagos

4:01

the Portugal Lagos and when everyone was like Oh,

4:04

he's from Manchester City support Manchester United is the

4:06

first time where I didn't want to say anything

4:09

It's usually I'm like yeah, that's my club that the

4:11

biggest club and now I was just like yeah It's

4:13

quite a bad time to support United at the moment

4:15

and the old Manchester City is the biggest Biggest

4:18

club there aren't me and I just wanted to walk away So

4:21

it wasn't a nice trip when it came to the football

4:23

side and I'm glad I was out of the loop as

4:25

well to be Yeah, and you came

4:27

back to the eighth wonder of the world, which is

4:29

the old Trafford waterfall Let's

4:36

start by talking about the Premier League

4:38

title race as there is still maybe

4:40

a couple of twists and turns Left

4:44

between now and the end of the season. There

4:46

are only two games left for some sides one

4:48

game left for others Manchester

4:50

City beat Fulham for nil they

4:52

regained top spot with that result

4:54

before Arsenal traveled to Old Trafford

4:56

yesterday and got a Kind

4:59

of scratchy one nil win But Arsenal's record

5:01

at Old Trafford Marley has been pretty poor

5:04

over the last few years and Michael Arteta

5:06

said that Actually, this is one of

5:08

the only games of the season one of the

5:10

only places that Arsenal have played at where he

5:12

didn't Care too much about the performance. It was

5:14

more about the results. So with that victory Old

5:16

Trafford Arsenal then regained top

5:18

spot So this is how the Premier League

5:20

looks heading into this midweek round of fixtures

5:23

before the final day next Sunday Arsenal played

5:25

37 86 points Manchester City played 36

5:30

on 85 points and that one

5:32

game in handover Arsenal comes against

5:34

Tottenham on Tuesday but

5:36

the exciting thing is Aston

5:39

Villa play Liverpool tonight Monday

5:42

night if Aston Villa

5:44

beat Liverpool, they're in the Champions

5:46

League if Liverpool beat

5:48

Aston Villa Tottenham that opens

5:51

the door for them if they

5:53

can beat Manchester City To take

5:55

it to the final day and potentially clinch

5:57

fourth. So even though it looks like it's

5:59

just between Arsenal and Manchester City, there's a

6:01

little bit more to this than probably initially

6:03

meets the eye. We said this title race

6:06

would go down to the final day and

6:08

it looks like that's going to be the

6:10

case yet again. Yeah, there's lots

6:12

of little caveats and

6:14

reasons that teams

6:17

want to win or want X team to

6:19

win and stuff like that. And I

6:21

think even Newcastle can

6:23

catch Tottenham if certain results

6:26

go their way but I think it means Sheffield

6:28

are going to win the game of football so

6:30

that's probably long gone and

6:32

away with the fairies. But yeah,

6:35

there's loads of stuff, little narratives

6:37

going on that makes it

6:39

exciting really because this

6:42

title race has probably been the best one we've had in

6:46

probably, I don't know, probably

6:48

since Spurs

6:51

stops. Sorry, Chelsea stops

6:53

Spurs with how they had winning it

6:55

for Leicester and stuff like that maybe.

6:58

Maybe even the 2012

7:01

Aguero moment, not really had

7:03

too much drama really. We had

7:06

a few of those close run title races in

7:08

recent years. You go back a couple of seasons

7:10

ago and it was Think City against Villa and

7:12

Gundogan scored a couple of goals to turn it

7:14

around on the final day. I can't

7:16

believe that was two seasons ago, it feels like two

7:18

weeks ago to be honest with you. That's how quick

7:20

things go in this league. And then

7:23

of course there was the City and Liverpool 97

7:25

and 98 points respectively and then the ones

7:28

you've mentioned. So it's become more common I

7:30

suppose, Marley, in recent times for title races

7:32

to go down to the very final game.

7:34

Yeah, and you know, the long way it

7:36

continued for the neutral, it's nice to see

7:39

that. I think City have

7:41

been so dominant in the last few

7:43

years. It's been a little bit like

7:45

a procession almost. When they

7:47

got over the line that first time, we've

7:49

got Adeola in the second season, you

7:52

know, they've pretty much dominated since and even

7:55

though they had to rely on

7:57

a couple of goals from Gundogan on the last season.

8:00

Sorry, on the last day of the

8:02

season before last, it was

8:04

more of a shock rather

8:07

than a challenge

8:10

sort of awaiting them. It was almost like,

8:12

oh my God, they're going to

8:15

mess this up rather than this is a big

8:17

game where City could lose points. Whereas

8:20

like tonight, you've

8:23

got Villa and Liverpool and that leads on

8:25

to City against Spurs. They're looking just maybe

8:27

with their bad record at Spurs after a

8:29

big challenge but if they overcome that then it's

8:31

down to the last day but you don't

8:33

expect City to lose on a last day.

8:37

So yeah, it's been a good one.

8:40

Obviously Liverpool fell at the final hurdle

8:42

type of sort of

8:44

the last run in type thing but

8:48

yeah, the two of them have

8:50

put on a classic really and

8:52

I think Arsenal have, you know, there's

8:54

been a lot of points in the season where Arsenal

8:56

look like they could genuinely go and win it and

9:00

even now if you look on sort of

9:02

social media, they're now looking back at the

9:04

Newcastle game. Remember when Joe Willock kept the

9:06

ball in the corner and they

9:08

couldn't find a reason to rule it out

9:10

and they're saying, oh my God, if we'd

9:12

have got those two points, we'd

9:15

have been winning the league now but it

9:17

doesn't look like that much. Yeah, you can

9:20

only deal with what you've got in front of

9:22

you and for Arsenal, it's just

9:24

that final game of the season on

9:26

Sunday against Everton at the Emirates and

9:28

you'd expect them to win that. Of

9:30

course, they're on this winning streak but

9:32

so are Manchester City and I

9:34

think that in a strange way, we can

9:37

go back nine months or even eight months

9:39

now to the first 10 games of the

9:41

season where Tottenham under Anj Poster

9:43

Koglu made this flying start. They were unbeaten

9:45

top of the table. I think they went

9:47

10 games without defeat. They were leading the

9:49

way and people were saying Tottenham are going

9:52

to be in the title race this year. Obviously, that

9:54

hasn't proved to be the case. They're down in fifth

9:57

at the moment. They've lost four of their last

9:59

five Premier. League games really struggled

10:01

in recent times, yet

10:04

they still might have a huge influence

10:06

in who raises the trophy this season,

10:09

because of that game on Tuesday night

10:11

against Manchester City. Now

10:14

I think what might be riding on it

10:16

depends on how Aston Villa do this evening

10:18

against Liverpool as I said, because Tottenham fans

10:20

won't want to beat Manchester City to gift

10:22

Arsenal the Premier League title, but

10:25

if they draw with Manchester City that also

10:27

gives Arsenal a leg up, because they have

10:29

a superior goal difference to Man

10:31

City. It's all teed

10:33

up so nicely for favours to be done by

10:35

people who don't want to be doing favours, and

10:37

what I mean by that is one half of

10:40

North London giving a boost to the other. Yeah,

10:42

and then Tottenham have to play Crystal Brazil on

10:44

the final day and that's going to be a

10:46

difficult task. I mean, I've seen them be so

10:48

good in this season or a final few games

10:50

in my life. When we were talking

10:52

about the title race last month when we were

10:54

all kind of making predictions of how it would

10:57

end up working out, that Tottenham game that City

10:59

have to play is just such, it's

11:01

going to be a pivotal moment in the season because as

11:03

we all know, they've not got the greatest record

11:06

at their stadium, and I don't

11:08

really buy into historical factors because I

11:10

still think Manchester City could do a

11:12

job there considering Spurs' record

11:14

at the moment, but I think that is

11:16

a defining moment in the season and I

11:19

still think Arsenal win the league. I actually

11:21

don't think Manchester City will wipe

11:23

the floor within the way in which people expect

11:25

them to, and obviously now that Arsenal have got

11:28

the superior goal difference, I actually have a feeling

11:30

it might go down to goal difference. There's only

11:32

three in it at the moment, but

11:34

let's say Manchester City draw tomorrow night at

11:36

Spurs and the goal difference is still three.

11:39

It might be a case that both teams are

11:41

chasing huge score lines on the final day at

11:43

home just to make sure that they win the

11:45

title, and I actually think that's the way it's

11:47

going to go, but like we

11:49

say, Spurs are still something to play for,

11:51

but again, it all depends on when Aston

11:54

Villa play Liverpool tonight. If Aston Villa get

11:56

a good result against Liverpool, then it pretty

11:58

much knocks the wind out of Spurs' then

12:00

it spurs might in treating the

12:02

game like he's already into preseason getting ready

12:04

for that Australia Trip, you

12:06

know shortly after the season finishes, which is of

12:08

course the biggest game of the season So it

12:11

is a defining moment that it massive moment

12:13

for both teams Do you feel a little

12:16

bit sorry for Arsenal? Manchester

12:18

City are in pole position because

12:20

they've got the game in hand if they win that

12:22

they go above Arsenal and then Arsenal

12:24

as we said a kind of hoping

12:26

for a favour from West Ham Who

12:28

have announced that David Moyes is leaving the club, which

12:30

we'll talk about in a second I've

12:33

seen a lot of people say what more can

12:35

our Teta and Arsenal do but this

12:37

hasn't been the most Electric city side we've seen

12:39

we always know that they'll go on a run

12:42

But they have had moments where they've taken

12:44

their foot off the gas or let a result

12:47

slip So even though this is a

12:49

really good Arsenal team who have actually now won more

12:51

Premier League games This season than

12:53

in any other previous Premier League season in

12:55

their history including the season where they were

12:57

invincible But they're probably

12:59

gonna fall up short. So there any

13:02

sympathies there for Arsenal? It's

13:04

a tough one to take to be honest,

13:06

but I think we're just seeing this is This

13:09

is a level now. We've got to get to to

13:11

win a Premier League You've got

13:13

to get to like 90 points basically. This

13:16

is Manchester City era, isn't it? We lived

13:18

through the Manchester United era. Yeah through the

13:20

Chelsea era, even though that was short-lived We

13:22

lived through the Arsenal era when they were

13:24

on beat, you know, they were invincible under

13:26

Wenger This is the Manchester City era. No

13:28

doubt about it under Pep Guardiola. Yeah

13:32

You know, I think that the

13:35

level has just gone to something You

13:42

get into you know, you have to you have to

13:44

win 90 90

13:47

points in a season and that's just an Insane

13:50

amount if you look back through the years, you

13:52

know, let's do on the league on 81

13:56

If you translate that to this season Liverpool

13:58

are on 78 with two games to go and

14:01

they're third in the league and out the race so

14:04

you know that's the the jump we've had

14:06

you know Chelsea won it with 93 the

14:08

season after that and then

14:11

it was the city's hundred point season so

14:13

that kind of kicked off the this sort

14:15

of new era and but

14:17

usually you know 80 points could get

14:19

you second at least or in the

14:21

race at least but

14:24

now it's you know if you if you're getting

14:26

under 90 you're not in the race and

14:29

which is insane really you know if you look at

14:31

Arsenal's invincibles to do in was it 26

14:33

games and drew 12 you know 26

14:38

games and now they've won so

14:40

far this season they've already won

14:43

you know what is it

14:45

27 is it yeah 27 yeah

14:48

so that win against United

14:50

means it's the most games they've ever won in

14:52

a season yeah that's staggering I

14:55

mean you can look at

14:57

it and feel sympathy but

15:00

in reality it's it's the

15:03

culmination of the Premier League being what

15:05

it is you know paying the players

15:07

so much therefore increasing the quality of

15:09

the players probably stretching the quality of

15:11

the league there's a massive that

15:13

I think there's a bigger gap now between

15:15

you know the top half and the bottom

15:18

half compared to what there was seven eight

15:20

years ago and that's this

15:22

is this is the culmination of it you know you

15:24

need 90 plus points to even be in with a

15:26

shout in that of winning the Premier League in

15:28

the in the last four or five games

15:31

of the season so it's

15:33

just what it is what it is so Arsenal

15:36

may well consider themselves unlucky not to

15:38

be Premier League champions but it's not

15:40

done yet Aston Villa versus Liverpool tonight

15:42

if Villa win then they are secure

15:44

in that fourth Champions League spot if

15:46

they don't win then Tottenham that

15:48

leaves the door ever so slightly ajar for

15:51

them when they take on the current Premier

15:53

League champions on Tuesday night in the Premier

15:55

League which then will give us a different

15:57

picture perhaps heading into Sunday's final round of

16:00

Premier League fixtures. Well that's the top

16:02

end of the table next we're going

16:04

to talk about the bottom end as

16:07

joining Sheffield United in relegation confirmed Burnley,

16:09

Luton town not quite officially given

16:11

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16:14

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we go through our predictions. We take a

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stab at who we think will finish where

17:40

in the 20 respective places in the Premier

17:42

League table and sometimes we get it right

17:44

more often than not we don't because

17:47

we're not Nostradamus otherwise we'd be very

17:49

very rich men. However it

17:51

doesn't often happen that all three

17:53

promoted teams from the championship end

17:56

up relegated back to the second tier at the end

17:58

of the season in fact Joel... I can't remember

18:00

the last time that that happened. Even

18:03

though Luton aren't confirmed as relegated, their big

18:05

defeat to West Ham at the weekend means

18:08

that it's pretty much all said and done

18:10

that they will be going down. After a

18:12

valiant effort, you have to say they need

18:14

a 12 goal swing in the final couple

18:17

of games to be able to stay up

18:19

this season. It's not going to happen. Burnley

18:21

meanwhile have been condemned back to the Championship

18:24

League that they absolutely dominated last season under

18:26

company but they couldn't replicate that form whatsoever

18:28

in the Premier League this time around.

18:30

So Sheffield United, Burnley and more

18:32

likely than not Luton will be

18:35

down from the Premier League this

18:37

season. As I said, the three

18:39

teams that have come up are going

18:41

to be the three teams that go down. Is

18:43

that a surprise to you? Statistically it's

18:45

not really that common. Yes

18:48

and no. I mean when you look at the

18:50

way the Premier League is going at the moment, the teams

18:52

that are coming up, they probably have even more of a

18:54

challenge than they ever have which is

18:56

trying to maintain not only the quality

18:59

but also maintain all the financial

19:01

aspects because they're up against teams that have

19:03

been in the Premier League for what, three

19:05

or four years prior to them coming up

19:07

which means they've been accumulating all of the

19:09

revenues, they've been getting bigger players, bigger salaries

19:12

and then for the likes of Luton who come up

19:14

with having to renovate the

19:16

stadium just to meet the Premier League

19:18

requirements and barely having what,

19:20

20, 30 million to spend in the

19:22

transfer window. I think it's

19:24

a valiant effort and like I've mentioned in the

19:27

previous podcast a few months ago sometimes

19:30

going up the first time is

19:32

almost like the first crack of

19:34

the whip which ultimately leads to you going back

19:36

to the championship but allows you to regain more

19:39

strength for the next time you try and go

19:41

up. I mean you look at the

19:43

likes of the so-called yo-yo teams that come up

19:45

and down from the Premier League, it actually is

19:47

a pretty wise way,

19:50

I'm not saying they do it on purpose, I mean

19:52

it's almost the best way to strengthen your team and

19:54

your club up in terms of finances because I think

19:56

now more than ever finances are playing

19:58

such a role in the league. league and even

20:00

though Luton had a really good effort, again,

20:04

maybe if they had just a little bit more financial

20:06

power and a little bit more behind the club, they

20:08

might have gained an extra six

20:10

points. But then you look at the size like Brentford,

20:12

who I kind of look at them in a similar

20:15

light. They didn't have a crazy

20:17

huge budget, but they've just got an amazing

20:19

manager and a really well-run club. So they

20:21

can go both ways, but I'm not surprised

20:23

with all of them going down, to be

20:25

honest, because when you look at their sides

20:27

and the transfers that they made, even Burnley,

20:29

with the amount of transfer money that they

20:31

spent in the summer, I just don't think the

20:33

quality was there. I don't really know what the

20:35

recruitment strategy was. And then Sheffield were just an

20:39

absolute embarrassment, in my opinion. So yeah, it's the

20:41

same. Yeah. So were Burnley, to be fair. And

20:43

I know they picked up a couple of points

20:45

towards the end of the season, but Burnley have

20:47

sunk the place out as well this season. Not

20:50

as badly as Sheffield, mind you, but still. Both

20:53

teams have been really poor and actually who

20:55

predicted it would be Luton, that would

20:57

be the pick of the bunch from the

20:59

three teams. Do you think that the Finnish

21:01

team would stay up? I

21:04

said they'd stay up. And listen,

21:07

it was always going to be tough for them.

21:09

But I did think that people were underestimating them.

21:11

People were giving them fewer points than what Derby

21:13

got that time. And just think

21:15

that it was a little bit disrespectful

21:17

to them actually because they are a small club

21:19

and they've well outperformed the other two, Marley. Yeah.

21:22

Well, I think I said that on the start of the

21:24

season. I think I said that Derby's points

21:28

telly would be in trouble. And I've

21:30

realised how bad Derby's points

21:32

were until you

21:35

know, Luton get to like October and they're two

21:37

points away from matching it or something like that.

21:39

It was in trouble just by Sheffield United

21:41

and not by Luton. True that. And I

21:43

think the one thing I've learned from this

21:46

season is how much

21:49

an underdog mentality can spur

21:52

you on in a season because Luton,

21:54

Luton have obviously, I mean, on the

21:57

size of club and infrastructure club, Luton should never be

21:59

a Premier League team. They're always punching away above

22:01

their weight and that's no disrespect

22:03

to them But you

22:05

know ultimately they are a small championship

22:07

side really so to get into the

22:10

Premier League You know in like

22:13

Joel said they did it they did it right Just

22:16

have a go like have you know put

22:18

everything into every game and if you're not

22:20

good enough You're not good enough, but also

22:22

you don't bankrupt yourself going down

22:24

You go down with parachute parents and you come

22:26

back a little bit stronger the next time If

22:29

that happens next season, you know, they'll come up in a

22:32

in a better way The only players they're gonna lose is

22:34

probably Ross Barkley who is only there on

22:37

a short-term contract anyway Look

22:39

on girl probably go back to Arsenal on them

22:42

on a loan You

22:44

know after his load ends and stuff like that and that's

22:46

about it really So

22:49

yeah, but the one thing they've then got a

22:52

Protect against and I kind of hope we see this

22:54

in a couple of years time is

22:58

doing what Sheffield United have done and

23:00

coming back and remembering how hard it

23:02

is and losing

23:07

Discipline and losing motivation You

23:10

know by Christmas basically because Sheffield

23:12

United like we said You know They've come up

23:15

and it's kind of a similar squad to the one that

23:17

went down two years ago and look at

23:19

them now They're considered 101 goals this season

23:21

and it's long gone. So you mentioned the

23:23

parachute payments there for Luton Do

23:26

you think we'll see any of these three teams

23:28

bounce back in the next few seasons because if

23:30

you look at the championship table This year Joel

23:32

less the city have come straight back up But

23:35

we knew that with the size of the club

23:37

Leeds and Southampton the other two teams to be

23:39

relegated are in the playoffs So

23:42

they didn't make automatic promotion that was

23:44

clinched by Ipswich Town who have had

23:46

a remarkable rise from League one And

23:49

up through the championship now to become a Premier

23:51

League side So there's only one spot left up

23:53

for grabs to get promoted to the Premier League

23:55

at the end of this season Do

23:57

you see any of these sides? Burnley,

24:00

Sheffield United or Luton making

24:02

an immediate return to the Premier League or at

24:05

least within a couple of years. Yeah, I wouldn't

24:07

be surprised to see Burnley go straight back up

24:10

and that's purely because of the investment that they've

24:12

already put into the team this season. Although

24:14

it wasn't good enough for the Premier League, it was more

24:16

than good enough for when they came up from the Championship.

24:18

I think it was one of the highest points total as

24:20

they got into the company. And then I

24:23

think if the company ends up staying on, I do

24:25

think they will bounce back but it'll be

24:27

a massive learning curve for them this summer

24:29

transfer window. I think they were just very

24:32

almost speculative. They were almost playing

24:34

bets with the transfers. They were

24:37

going for really non-proven players that

24:39

were going to Denmark for these

24:42

guys who

24:44

played a few games in the Danish League

24:47

and then in the Swiss League. Are these

24:49

guys going to actually perform for you? That

24:51

can work. That can work in a Premier

24:53

League team. We've seen that with Brentford who

24:56

have these sorts of players but also Brentford

24:58

have got players like Ben

25:00

Mee who has played a

25:02

ton of Premier League matches. More

25:06

often than not, if you're going to buy 10

25:08

players for what, 10, 15 million each, about

25:10

20% of them are going to be really good.

25:13

The other 80% will probably get

25:15

binned off the next season. You look at

25:17

Nottingham Forest when they bought over 20 players.

25:21

I could probably name on one hand the amount

25:23

of players that came good during that summer spree.

25:26

The rest of them will probably get shipped off for 50% of the price.

25:29

I get they're trying to blow out the squad and

25:31

improve the quality. If you

25:33

look at seasons gone by, the things I've done well

25:36

like you mentioned with Brentford, they signed

25:38

a lot of Danish players. The reason why

25:40

is because Thomas Frank knows that market very well. It

25:42

probably was a wise choice to go into that market

25:45

because a lot of them have performed really well. I

25:48

mean it even bought Christine Erickson that time when

25:50

it was a free transfer, when no one else

25:53

wanted to take a punt on him. That's, I

25:55

would say, very good business. Whereas you look at

25:57

Burnley, signing James Trafford for what, 20 million? can't

26:00

play any professional experience at this level. These

26:02

are the types of transfers where I'm thinking

26:04

could be a bit more wiser with the

26:07

money and a bit more business-like rather than

26:09

kind of we need to just

26:11

spend, let's spend, let's blow the squad out and then

26:13

hopefully it'll see us over the line because sometimes it

26:15

just doesn't work like that and it takes a long

26:17

time for these players to gel and they may not

26:19

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the Premier League? We will wait and see

27:15

in due course. But we do know who

27:17

will be leaving the Premier League and that

27:20

is David Moyes. It has been announced

27:22

that he will be departing West Ham

27:25

United after a number of years and

27:27

some decent Premier League finishes plus a

27:30

couple of finals including that Europa

27:32

Conference League trophy last season. So

27:34

the Skybet fan view data is

27:36

in. The survey results are here

27:38

boys and the question put to

27:40

the public this week, are West

27:43

Ham right to part ways

27:45

with David Moyes? I'll

27:47

read you the results now because we are looking

27:50

very Brexit. It's 48% say

27:52

yes, 52% say no. So

27:55

actually it's a win for a win for

27:57

a remain

28:00

this time. We've not got Mexit.

28:03

Moisekit. That

28:05

was the real resort nail, mate. Let's not get into

28:08

that, Joel. Let's not get into that. But

28:10

yeah, 52.48 in favour of David

28:13

Moyce staying at West Ham. So

28:15

the general consensus from those surveyed,

28:17

Joel, is that it's the wrong

28:19

decision, only marginally, but it just

28:21

shows how split people are on

28:23

this, because David Moyce is considered

28:26

quite unfashionable. But in terms of

28:28

the bare bones, which is

28:30

results in this game, we always talk about

28:32

football being a results business, where's the cliche

28:34

bell? He gets results for West

28:36

Ham. He gets juice out of that squad of

28:38

players. But the Hammers have decided it's time to

28:40

move on and go in a different direction. Yeah,

28:43

I'm feeling like the sentiment from those

28:45

results has to be from almost neutral

28:47

fans, because I think if you

28:49

ask the majority of West Ham fans, they'd

28:52

be pretty happy with this outcome, which is

28:54

it doesn't always have to mean

28:56

a sacking to get rid

28:58

of a manager. Why can't it be that

29:00

more cases are like this, where

29:03

it's an amicable departure between a manager and

29:05

a club? They agree that it's the right

29:07

time to depart. I don't think

29:09

Moyce leaves West Ham with people giving

29:11

him grief and thinking, oh, you're

29:14

such a failure, because they've had

29:16

really good times under David Moyce.

29:18

Two European experiences, they won the

29:20

conference league. They had a really

29:22

good couple of seasons in the

29:24

last two years, especially the one

29:26

which was Declan Rice's penultimate season.

29:29

And I think he just bought really good times for West Ham.

29:31

I'm actually really happy for David Moyce, just as

29:33

a manager, because after

29:35

Man United, I mean, his

29:38

stock was so low. And then

29:40

we saw that with the fact that he went

29:42

to Real Socio Dad, and it was even poorer

29:44

there. And he's really happy to develop his

29:47

reputation again. And I think he's done that

29:49

so well at West Ham. He's built a

29:51

really strong and just almost like a,

29:53

it's a little bit more fancy than the

29:55

Everton side, but it's just a very well

29:58

drilled and difficult West Ham side, which. It's

30:00

been what they wanted but for where West Ham want

30:02

to go to and I've always maintained

30:05

this they have got too much of a

30:07

talented squad for David Moyes to manage it.

30:09

He's not got the capabilities to do it.

30:11

When you got the like the Luca Picato

30:13

and Mohamed Kudas and Jara Bowen like these

30:15

are plays they need to be taken to

30:17

the next level now and David

30:19

Moyes has done all that he can so I

30:21

don't even see this decision as a failure. It's

30:24

just the right thing to do. Sometimes

30:26

you need to move to the next phase and not everyone

30:28

is meant to move to that next phase with you. So

30:31

that's why I think it's exactly the

30:33

right time. End of his contract, no

30:35

messing around with compensation and sacking early

30:37

on in the season. Now they can

30:39

plan ahead which we think

30:41

is Julian Lopategi and then move forward. So

30:43

I think perfect timing from West Ham. Yeah,

30:46

do you think it's better, Marley, for Moyes

30:48

to walk off with

30:50

that positivity around him because it was

30:52

his final game at the London Stadium

30:54

at the weekend. They beat Luton. A

30:57

home-grown youngster scored the final goal.

30:59

It was scorching sunshine. Everyone

31:01

was in good spirits and of course he was

31:04

the man to guide West Ham to their

31:06

first trophy in 43 years with that Europa

31:08

Conference league. Whereas when you think

31:11

to someone like Brendan Rodgers and how he's

31:13

received by Leicester City fans because it ended

31:15

quite sour and there are a lot of

31:17

Leicester fans that still like Brendan Rodgers. Of

31:20

course he won them the FA Cup, he got them fifth

31:22

place twice in the Premier League but

31:24

ultimately he played a big part in their relegation

31:26

from the top flight last season. It

31:29

doesn't feel as warm as it could do towards

31:31

Brendan Rodgers. So there's an example of where it

31:33

could possibly go wrong. So do you think it's

31:35

actually a good time for him to walk away

31:38

like Joel says with that positivity around him and

31:40

the memories attached to David Moyes will make him

31:43

more of a legend in time than

31:45

perhaps he would have been if

31:47

he had stayed on. Yeah, I

31:49

agree. I think pretty much everything Joel

31:51

said was about right there. I

31:56

think time will sort

31:59

of... reflect

32:01

quite nicely on Moyes because

32:03

ultimately, Moyes' time

32:06

at West Ham will be remembered

32:08

for winning the Europer Conference League

32:10

and giving West Ham that dual

32:15

of something to be remembered by. And no one

32:17

can ever take that away from him and that's

32:19

another huge feather

32:22

in his cap type thing. He

32:24

had everything in the Champions League in his time

32:26

there. It didn't go well at Man United. It

32:28

didn't go well at Sociedad, but he came back

32:30

and regrouped. I just think Moyes

32:33

is one of the managers who can stabilise a club

32:36

very, very well. And

32:38

when that club is stable, with

32:42

the money and stuff that's floating on in the

32:44

Premier League now, I think then it's

32:47

time to upgrade your manager and say thank you,

32:49

but we're going to go in a different

32:51

direction. I don't think Lucas Paqueta can

32:53

work in a David

32:56

Moyes team to the level of what his

32:58

ability can be because Paqueta can, realistically,

33:01

he can probably walk into any

33:03

team in the country. He's that

33:06

talented. So when you're at West Ham, I

33:08

think you need to put in a manager who can get

33:10

the best out of their attacking players. And I

33:13

think they've got enough to really

33:15

kick on and be sixth, seventh in the

33:17

league. And Kudas Paqueta, Bowen,

33:19

you've got a supporting

33:22

three there who

33:24

are as good as you

33:27

need really to compete in

33:29

the higher parts of the Premier League. I think

33:31

they just need a striker, but as long as

33:33

Moyes gets to

33:35

pick the team, Antonio's going to be in it, Soutre's

33:37

going to be in it, Suphile's going to be in it.

33:40

And that's kind of his

33:42

solid go-to guys, the seven out of ten guys.

33:46

And that can ultimately only get you so far. So

33:48

I think they've done the right thing by saying thank

33:51

you, but we're going to go in a different direction rather than,

33:53

you know, hanging on to

33:56

the next season and then when the, you

33:58

know, fourteenth after twenty games, like oh

34:00

why did we keep this guy and you

34:02

know it always comes back to that quote of

34:04

like you either die a hero or live long

34:07

enough to see yourself become the villain. I

34:09

think that's Moyza West Ham. You don't want to

34:11

overstay your welcome and have the

34:14

negativity take over and

34:16

just leave with your head health high. Say

34:18

I won you a trophy. What other manager

34:20

can do that in West Ham who's still

34:23

active and around like you

34:25

can never take that away from Moyza and from

34:28

you can never say that he's done a bad job at West

34:30

Ham but the longer it went on

34:32

you sort of you sour

34:34

that um you sour that

34:36

sort of feel it around him um so

34:38

by leaving I think it's the right choice.

34:40

So David Moyes will depart the London Stadium

34:42

at the end of the season the results

34:45

of the Skybet fan view survey suggest

34:47

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34:49

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34:51

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