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2:25

it's great to be back and it's

2:27

lovely to see George De Bell, Nick

2:29

Friends and Steve Harmerson peering

2:31

out from their various studies around

2:33

the world or around the country

2:36

rather ahead of the county season.

2:38

We are just about to press

2:40

go and we've got a couple

2:42

of months before it all gets

2:44

taken over somewhat by

2:46

England and the T20 World Cup and then

2:48

the test series against Sri Lanka and the

2:50

West Indies. But for now throughout April and

2:53

May it is all about County Cricket. We

2:55

haven't spoken for a few months on the

2:57

show but there's

2:59

been some big stories and I think the

3:01

biggest of them all with my Surrey hat

3:03

firmly on, should actually be a white helmet

3:05

isn't it? Alex Stewart

3:07

leaving Surrey at the

3:09

end of the year. He's been at the county

3:11

since 1981 I think as

3:14

a player, as a coach, director of cricket and his

3:16

dad of course, his name adorns

3:19

that what the pavilion. So

3:21

yes, sad times and

3:25

the question really, we'll start with you George if

3:27

that's okay, is who on

3:29

earth is going to replace the

3:31

gaffer? Yeah,

3:33

with huge huge boots to fill. Thank

3:36

you for having me by the way, nice to see you all.

3:39

Huge boots to fill. I was sad

3:41

that he was going partly because of

3:44

the reasons you know we know his wife

3:46

Lyn is not brilliantly healthy and the main

3:49

thing is I'm sure everyone hopes

3:51

that that works out well and hope that

3:53

he's got the space in

3:56

his life to come back and have another role in English

3:58

cricket. I really hope he's director of cricket for and

4:00

the ECB one day and I'm

4:02

sure he maybe wouldn't have to travel quite as much

4:05

as previous ones have done but in

4:07

terms of yeah who takes over in a

4:09

few months look they want I think someone

4:11

with a Surrey background one

4:13

way or another and I've whittled

4:16

a list down to four-ish

4:18

you could well I'll

4:20

just give you that little moody possibility

4:23

Vikram Solanke favorite

4:28

Ebony, Rainford Brent and

4:31

Ashley Giles all of them have one

4:34

way or another a bit of a sorry

4:36

pedigree to be honest with you I

4:38

think they're all really good and I'm

4:40

not at all sure they'd all be interested they've

4:42

all got you know other things going on but

4:45

as the best people will but

4:47

whoever it is will inherit

4:50

a fantastic club which

4:52

is delivering in every way and it's just

4:54

worth saying that when he took over 2013 I

4:57

think wasn't it sorry

4:59

was a bit of a basket case you know

5:01

not delivering on the pitch turbulent

5:04

terribly sad times off the pitch you

5:06

know Alex Stewart's turned it around produced

5:10

well that club produced a huge amount

5:12

of players anyone

5:14

who cares for English cricket should

5:17

be grateful for it he's done a fantastic

5:19

job yeah

5:22

well said I mean the four names you mentioned

5:25

look I think Vikram

5:27

Solanke is the name that I think we've all heard

5:30

mentioned in dispatch is

5:32

the most in regard to taking over but

5:34

then we've we've also heard that maybe his

5:37

IPL commitments maybe

5:40

maybe maybe mean it's a year or two too early

5:42

but we shall see at the end of this year

5:44

because it will be three years in and we'll

5:47

see how the Gujarat Titans I think get

5:50

on with things Tom Moody I know the

5:53

relationship to Alex Stewart and Gareth Batty

5:55

was an incredibly strong one and speaking

5:58

with some of the players the day

6:00

they found out that Alex Stewart decided

6:02

to move on at the end of the

6:04

year. I don't know. I

6:07

mean, you might be able to tell me I

6:09

knew harmi. I found it unusual to hear players

6:11

speak so warmly about a guy

6:13

at the top of the tree. I'm not sure

6:15

if that's normal in cricket, in county cricket, for

6:18

the players to have such a relationship

6:22

with the director at their club. Maybe it is. But

6:25

one of the things that came from the conversation was

6:27

that, Alex, and we all know

6:29

how much he loves the county,

6:31

but he's more than capable of giving

6:35

criticism and also praise an equal measure. And I

6:37

think all of us in whatever field of work

6:39

you work in, that is a

6:41

great boss to have. Someone who will tell you the

6:43

good and the bad in equal measure, and also someone

6:45

who's been there and done it. And

6:48

that's someone that is asking you to do

6:50

what he himself or herself has done in

6:52

the past. So he's going to be missed

6:54

for sure. And

6:58

that relationship with Bats, a guy that obviously I

7:00

know very well, harmi does as well, I

7:04

think that's going to be an interesting one. Now,

7:06

I know for sure that when

7:08

we've spoken to Bats before

7:10

this, he did

7:12

a section on the show doing one

7:14

of the lunch breaks, his five favourite cricket coaches.

7:17

And one of the ones he mentioned, apart

7:19

from Alex, was Tom Moody. So

7:22

who knows? Would there have been with

7:24

a team-mates pack at Worcestershire in

7:26

the early 40s? Would that be right?

7:28

I think there were. I think Tom's coaching Worcestershire

7:30

wasn't he when Bats was playing? Yeah, sorry, not

7:33

team. I

7:36

think the other thing, Jon, that he really touched on with the

7:38

relationship and the respect and the reference that

7:42

the chair's got there. I mean, Ollie Pope

7:44

mentioned it and I think have seen the

7:46

photo on social media in the last few days.

7:48

There are a lot of players there who can

7:51

trace their entire careers back to

7:54

Stuart. I think in Pope's case, it was winning

7:56

the, what was it, joint, you were winning the Surrey

7:59

Under-8s Player of the Year. presented to him by by

8:01

Alec, I spoke down to the damn oral last

8:03

week and he said it was Alex Gert who gave him

8:06

the opportunity to come and play for Surrey

8:08

on the UK passport movies live from one

8:11

side the world to the other and I

8:14

suspect that would be the case for anyone who's

8:16

joined the club in the last 10-11 years or

8:19

in Pope's case guys who come

8:21

up through the system with that Tom Lawes and Gus

8:23

Atkinson in this current squad and you

8:26

know Roy Burns, Tom Sibley or

8:29

Guyce who came before and are rather still

8:31

involved because of Matt Dunne, Emma

8:34

Verde or Ladsby who have moved

8:36

on since. What's

8:38

clear is that even when Dan Lawrence spoke

8:40

at Surrey's media days that the student was

8:42

a huge pull for him

8:44

it's got sort of like Bergson, Van Palsy

8:47

vibes in a way that you join, you

8:49

get pulled in by the

8:52

sort of you know by the iconic name

8:54

and then suddenly you've only got a year with them

8:56

but I mean I think obviously why

8:58

more widely there's certainly that Bergson

9:00

vibe with with Stuart I mean you know

9:02

when he leaves in that final day he'll leave

9:05

through his own gate and

9:08

as he said to me in the last chain and this has

9:11

come to be in his life but also his father's

9:13

life and he

9:15

is sorry to such an extent you do sort

9:18

of fear in a way that whoever does

9:20

go into place because as George says

9:22

a fantastic job is a massive job and it's not just I

9:24

think what he's done so

9:27

well is I think it's very

9:29

easy to forget that the DOC job

9:31

isn't just an extension of

9:33

our coach he is the

9:35

guy peeping you know

9:38

sorry of a lot of wealth, a lot of resources but as

9:40

Stuart's been very keen to say a lot of things

9:42

that come from the conference events business as

9:46

much more so than the

9:48

cricket itself and the

9:51

complications of coaching aside are so many moving parts

9:53

guys that bounce between franchises

9:55

and international duty and all that stuff and being

9:57

organised enough as much as anything to The

10:00

together a score to is. It.

10:02

As competitive, as strong as easily around. To.

10:05

Jelly think it must have the people. Give.

10:07

Him credit give sorry credit for. Another.

10:09

Couple wealth the resource to do it. but. There's

10:12

always. It. Was goes up when someone's getting

10:14

away. But. They only paid for the Ashes

10:17

last summer. There's always someone coming it.

10:19

Sits. On mates was. I

10:21

think. Signed up five six weeks before.

10:24

Guess. He started his know you. Did

10:27

as know if any sort of unity she's my

10:29

have enough period. And so a

10:31

surprise now naughty pull out that it is.

10:33

Yeah, because. Stats her really have

10:35

to decide. But. Even that bahati deal

10:37

was. Was. One with it is when

10:39

he will come to mind. knowing the probably

10:42

Santorum. Ah if you

10:44

else restock playing. Time.

10:46

Possibly I will Jack as well.

10:49

Said I'm. Already part is a

10:51

message help some take up as exciting. And

10:53

Steers is. At. Jamie I've

10:55

written think that's the guys that they've been looking

10:58

at. I think they need love. Too

11:00

many states has can walk away. enabler kids.

11:02

Amy I did some klutz. I say the

11:04

last couple are like a homemade unesco very

11:06

well. Another guy that very well as to

11:08

why Coffee. And Asia is

11:10

also moving on. was moved on and

11:12

on change Yorkshire. A story that George

11:14

has been across the the last couple

11:16

of years college grads. his back. From.

11:19

Your perspective you got links to the

11:22

county a historically A you know some

11:24

the people involved of the see that

11:26

coffee as well as your thoughts about

11:29

those changes. As l a very

11:31

strong on the pitch in division save with

11:33

something and stalls and be playing some to

11:35

the first couple of months. But.

11:37

What kind of county? Is. Your kids

11:39

in a be. Moving. Forward.

11:42

And allies quite difficult as to surmise

11:44

that in one in one sentence. Okay,

11:46

but Sam. In. The

11:48

optics. An. Emphasis added

11:50

that perception is Kay really isn't as is

11:52

it is. It's the same Yorkshire that we

11:55

seen as a couple of years. Not

11:57

only you'll be the same Yorkshire by think the

12:00

in the world a watching. An alley.

12:02

Get the question you asked in the thing

12:04

that's for six months. Twelve months, eighteen months

12:06

down the line. I think that's where. The

12:10

How West is becoming grabs of got no

12:12

doubt Congress is done great things for English

12:14

cricket for grassroots forget and fall for Cricket

12:16

Yorkshire and for he cbs to com get

12:19

be head round and then it was inevitable

12:21

that used to and but personal com that

12:23

we had round the fact that. What?

12:26

He was associated with Id the racism

12:28

still have that came out. He was.

12:30

The. Effectively town in charge how

12:33

he come back from that

12:35

looks. He. Has combat Nothing

12:37

you have to look at. Where Yorkshire.

12:39

Now. I'm gonna go. We talked. Yourself.

12:42

Tell you about the the So I'm. The.

12:44

Pool of players sorry produce every single.

12:47

Single. The air, and beyond that. The.

12:51

Right that the riches that the king yacht

12:53

call upon from the size of the county

12:55

to bring players in to produce place to

12:57

go and play for England. Yorkshire.

13:00

On bass the for England English Cricket I

13:02

think your has huge and didn't think they

13:04

could let english cricket of let you have

13:06

to go I'm I'm not surprised aren't desktop

13:08

or tried to leave because the think. What?

13:11

He went into him what he was

13:13

a thing brought in for. Was.

13:15

To get back on an even keel. button on

13:18

even for and try and get yorkshire move and

13:20

in a direction. Which. Was

13:22

to go and forward progressive and I think is

13:24

don't know I think it's to know. More.

13:27

Than anybody else because I'm not sure. I'm not

13:29

sure the job he was going into who. I'm

13:31

not sure all the people were telling him the

13:34

whole truth nothing but the truth as it was

13:36

going on. but once you is in he was

13:38

in both feet and I think he did. It's

13:40

a very very good job brother. Once the new

13:42

regime came in think that was the hands down

13:44

and got. Ah, I'm in where

13:47

it'll be on the field. Will. Be

13:49

strong. You're. Gonna Bruton broke for

13:51

the majority of the the first. Half

13:53

of the championship seasons in second division

13:55

yeah, you'd be a muslim and tie

13:57

against Sussex in the middle of May.

14:00

If all parties a planet. I didn't

14:02

see. Was I wrong, Percent against broken the

14:04

Other and Brooklyn Root root cause some very

14:07

very tough little around Is George Hill not

14:09

reversed? Especially Finn be a top of the

14:11

order. I think he is an exciting talent

14:13

so I think all in all Yorkshire will

14:15

be a force on the field of the

14:17

give. Our last week in these very very

14:19

positive of our preparations of God's. Blessing

14:22

the initial question of well, what club

14:24

Yorkshire ah. I'm not sure we

14:27

can answer that yet. I think we have

14:29

to look further down the line. And.

14:31

Because I think and I still think if any ah

14:34

the eyes of the world should be looking at Yorkshire.

14:36

Because. of of of what's happened. Joints

14:40

and other as you any thoughts

14:42

on all that but let's flip

14:44

it on a move it on

14:46

his. wow that's a big is

14:48

Counties is directly in the English

14:50

cricket sorry in Yorkshire. Little whether

14:52

the challenges that. Seems to

14:54

be that. Where. They find themselves and

14:57

the cel mai seasons the sensing. I

15:00

was shader. I think what is

15:02

happening. Now is actually

15:04

unique. I don't think they've had

15:06

this. Extend to flooding

15:08

previously that have seven. Full.

15:11

Floods this off

15:13

season. One out

15:15

of the the weekend. Or

15:18

does he does happen before us, income

15:20

of the thirty was what's that had

15:22

since nineteen hundred nineteen have been this

15:24

century. I think. Even

15:27

which puts the most ardent club it did.

15:29

I would accept that as a problem that

15:31

when he the kids climate change your. The.

15:34

Water companies or bad bloody lot? I

15:36

don't know, but there is a problem

15:38

enough. I really. Respect.

15:40

Actually, the way the Ashley Giles has confronted

15:43

the issue, you know there was a danger.

15:45

When someone like him gets a job like

15:47

that that they might use it. As

15:50

a step on the career ladder back

15:52

to isolate what we might see traditionally

15:54

as a bigger job but actually rather

15:56

like Alec Stewart and I would have

15:58

said about Darren Gough. He

16:01

respects what those go to put

16:03

it the job. sometimes it works,

16:05

sometimes it doesn't. Bashi Charles instead

16:07

of just going with the flow

16:09

of excuse the pun. Has

16:12

said to the members as as trusted the

16:14

members to be intelligent really and said. We've.

16:16

Got a problem? We've. Got a a

16:19

really significant existential problem with

16:21

that exaggerated. And we

16:23

need to talk about what we get, a job at

16:25

it and I sit out on. I applaud that. Because.

16:29

It. Would be easy to serve his time

16:31

there to get paid. may be moved

16:33

to I don't I'm sorry no or Warrick,

16:35

Cheryl or some other job that might come

16:38

back. It is it his career so. He.

16:41

Hasn't done that. I really admire him.

16:43

Pay for taking that on. Now what

16:45

do you do? Because you have a

16:47

ground that is one an. Iconic

16:50

for want to the better word. Answer:

16:53

Not worth very much. And.

16:56

Is this can. Oh, it's not a

16:58

flood played for god's sake, you coward.

17:00

Build on most of it. I'm what

17:02

you can build on. They're all sorts

17:04

of limitations. A

17:06

long term. If I

17:08

were a betting salah which know I

17:10

would be same I wonder about parkway

17:12

was was chef Parkway which is now

17:14

area near a new station. The basis

17:16

basically are at area of list of

17:19

a they built the station that they

17:21

get a bill ten thousand homes in

17:23

the next twenty years or something. I

17:26

wonder whether it could be part of that.

17:28

Whether the council will be a Cb was

17:30

to ship, could have some sort of joint

17:33

effort that's that's not been talked about. Other

17:35

a plan right now. And.

17:37

I also wonder I know this will be

17:39

deeply unpopular with the members of both teams?

17:42

A. But. Was

17:45

to share and Worcestershire border one another and

17:47

they're both looking for new homes. I

17:51

don't is is a possibility. Maybe maybe that's

17:53

too radical. bait make it is the I'd

17:55

I'd I just think. let's

17:58

have the conversations because if we don't

18:00

have the conversations now, we can even

18:02

get to a stage where Worcesters is

18:04

obsolete. We're that close. Make

18:06

no bones about it. If they get another flood in the

18:08

next couple of weeks, they're

18:11

not playing their T20s at home. And

18:13

if they can't play their T20s at home, I

18:15

think it might be game over. And that's not

18:17

an exaggeration. That's directly

18:19

from the club. They can't play

18:21

at home right now till

18:24

May the 24th. That's almost

18:26

two months of the season. Yeah, not quite, but

18:28

almost. You

18:30

know, they're not a wealthy club. We

18:33

know how difficult it is for Leicestershire

18:35

and Derbyshire and North Anderson Worcestershire to

18:37

survive anyway. When you throw in the

18:39

fact that they are basically Atlantis, it

18:41

becomes almost impossible. So

18:43

I really applaud Ashley Charles for having

18:45

the honesty to have that

18:48

conversation with his members.

18:50

It sounds like they

18:52

have had a pretty mature response to it as

18:54

well. And let's see where we

18:56

go from there. Just one other. Cricket

18:59

turned administrator from a former age. I wonder,

19:02

could Chris Silverwood be involved

19:04

with Yorkshire going forward? I

19:08

think he'd be. I don't know.

19:10

I think he prefers the track suited role. But if they're looking

19:12

for a director of cricket with Yorkshire

19:15

and his blood, successful record

19:17

as a coach, won the championship twice

19:19

to mere ethics. I

19:21

don't know. I don't think they do a

19:23

lot better. Just a thought. I was at

19:26

the Oval on what day?

19:28

Tuesday. And Richard Gaughan, the CEO of

19:30

the ECB, was doing a roundtable discussion

19:32

with the journalists. He

19:34

spoke to TalkSport. One of the questions he

19:36

was asked was by Lawrence Booth of Daily

19:39

Mail, the Wizard Almanac editor. He

19:43

said, in five years' time, does he expect to see 18

19:45

counties? And

19:48

Richard Gaughan's answer was, yes,

19:50

he expects to see, in five years' time, at least

19:52

18 counties. And

19:55

I thought that at least response

19:57

was quite interesting. It wasn't really picked up upon.

20:00

Posted another county. That.

20:02

Last year seem to be really struggling

20:04

as and we played division to the

20:06

Euro Lords today. As neck.

20:09

And as also discussions about maybe

20:11

the Mc say would you be

20:13

absorbed by George and mock Nicholas's

20:15

as gonna be here in a

20:17

high polluting position. Up

20:19

for the foreseeable. I mean, could

20:21

you to see nineteen counting? Or

20:23

could it be eighteen counties closer?

20:25

Superstition. Merge. Who knows but

20:27

Ten Navy and are you positive for

20:30

the for the season ahead? From a

20:32

Middlesex perspective well aware, all the county,

20:34

they would also apply that to Strike

20:36

last year. And I'm. Depressed

20:39

my presence is possible to living with. They

20:41

are. They're onto a special much

20:43

to push participate mean that. It

20:46

was since very tough on my

20:48

spending. that's. To. A.cabs

20:50

weren't was growing plants,

20:53

John. Simpson Sixty Six subsequent

20:55

of lawsuits contrast appropriate

20:57

Elon owners two months

21:00

retired. When. I was the coaching staff.

21:02

And. I think was meant to be able to.

21:05

Make a really good domestic signings. In

21:08

place, deploys and top sure you'd. Feel.

21:10

Spices that's a huge estate.

21:12

Extremely impressive. Man.

21:16

Am very good player and. Do

21:18

I think of a pic of a lotta certainly

21:20

not Starbucks. I'm. Said.

21:23

Llamas be cool for him. Lot of a truism if

21:25

I did. Everything is wells and. Spy.

21:27

That was probably was built used to be quite. An

21:30

rejoice run across the time a day when will they

21:32

were too much on said. I'm divorced

21:34

one hundred Brooks is coming from. Marchers.

21:37

Was Middlesex was very. Teams.

21:40

Get one chance or being a few others

21:42

to him and. Rich. Johnson's

21:44

be fun for while. Months

21:46

Daniels Brooks copies go was. So.

21:49

Close to you want to school? Just as a

21:51

teenager took nationals an hour. Or

21:53

long since rounders of his injuries. And.

21:57

but the actual perspective seized by the dance

21:59

they were quite open with it and so

22:02

they couldn't, yeah,

22:04

they couldn't bring overseas pay based on current

22:07

finances and the cost as well as opposed to

22:09

overseas players in London is one thing and then

22:11

on top of that as well, the cost

22:13

of blind guys in and out

22:15

as short-term

22:18

overseas players, I don't think

22:20

it should be overestimated, particularly

22:23

when overseas signers go

22:25

wrong and you might pay for

22:27

a flight that never happens for example. Certainly

22:30

it's happened the last couple of years, a few counties, middle

22:32

sense, a few problems with visa as well

22:34

the last couple of years with the

22:36

giant, yeah, I've arrived late for a stint last year

22:39

and it wasn't even

22:41

before that, Majeeb

22:43

or Amal, I think, Mr. Dattm we

22:59

don't know yet, there will be a runaway leader as there was last year

23:02

but what there certainly is a lot of

23:04

other counties, it's a proper leadership overseas

23:06

players, when that's Pajara

23:08

and Sussex, Shama Sood at

23:11

Yorkshire, Pete Anskid the whole year at Leicester,

23:13

at a very poor time, middle sense, but actually went well

23:15

at Leicester last year,

23:17

Kerry Nye at British or Sherryne

23:19

time at North Ants, Chris

23:23

Tremaine at North Ants went very well last year, I forget

23:26

some people, but the gist

23:29

is there is a real value to them and

23:31

I think you expected the course of season, you're

23:33

overseas player to win you a couple of games. Middle

23:36

sense I think overseas players deploy essentially, in

23:38

that he's a domestic player but

23:42

he is essentially the gun they've signed,

23:44

across all formats he'd be a top band player in the hundreds, he

23:47

has spent all this winter at the PSL, the ILT20 as well

23:49

I think, really

23:53

basically the ILT20 as an overseas player, as a South

23:55

African league baller South African player I think, yeah

23:58

very good player, they need a lot for that. from him, he's

24:00

going to vice captain across both formats,

24:03

or formats rather. But I don't know,

24:05

I mean, they're broadly optimistic, but because

24:07

they did get pro'd out of this division two years ago

24:10

with essentially the same squad, so

24:14

if they're bad at the score, the runs they didn't score last year, they'll

24:16

be right up there. If they don't, they won't,

24:18

but I don't think that's any

24:21

great insight. Well, it is, it

24:24

is good. Sorry, just that last guy, I don't

24:26

know if the first day was useful. No,

24:29

it was, and it's good to see that

24:31

your man crush for Ali Orr from

24:33

last year, it seems to have been changed. Taken him

24:35

all the way to division one. Well,

24:38

yeah, it has. He's been able to get involved with

24:40

these. Yeah, exactly. I suppose Ali and last three,

24:42

and Ali Orr's running, I'm not sure we'll get to actually a

24:45

bit, I mean, if we talk. Well, we can

24:47

talk Hampshire now. I mean, let's not talk Hampshire now,

24:49

because one of the things

24:52

I wanted to speak about more than any

24:54

other was Durham. And we've

24:56

got the perfect person who can speak about

24:58

Durham. But, you know, if you're writing off

25:00

any, anybody other than Yorkshire to win division

25:02

two, or me, that is. Durham

25:07

seems to be the name on most people's

25:09

lips in terms of challenging Surrey, which unless

25:11

your new man thought who thinks Essex and

25:13

we'll find out what George and Nick think

25:15

about that as well. But

25:18

give us the reasons why Durham can win the

25:20

championship this year and give us the reasons why

25:22

Durham cannot win the championship this year. I

25:26

think the reasons why they can win the championship

25:28

this year is they've just been given a massive

25:30

bonus and potential of Ben Stokes playing a couple

25:32

of games. But I think that

25:35

in itself, not

25:37

only does it lift the two, three,

25:39

four, whatever games you play, but you

25:41

can be in a changing room practicing

25:43

and training for the first

25:45

seven, probably five or seven games. That

25:48

gives you a lift because your standards are going to be

25:50

set ridiculously high. You

25:54

look at the poll and attack. If

25:56

everybody's fit and everybody's allowed to play, England...

26:00

A total monthly one of the a

26:02

bulldozer potential bulldozer for me cause analysis

26:04

for further down the line for England.

26:06

Everything they want to win and be

26:08

the best team in the world's. Gonna

26:11

start to combos, he tumbled fast

26:13

bowler talkspace slow. And

26:15

for me, Prime. Cause is

26:17

the first now. On.

26:19

The team sheet come. When. Is it

26:22

the tenth of July? In

26:24

at Laws against the West Indies. A

26:26

Cinema Rights. And. Evil Fast. And.

26:30

That for me is one of the reasons

26:32

why he will. He will be part of

26:34

it touches One lead Mickey take it was

26:36

in the country. Must yet start. Bolden is

26:38

part of. This. Bone Attack I

26:40

don't see my would feature in too much but

26:43

of he does. Not.

26:45

Dead as fast bowlers there and

26:47

only mention stops at. I. Think

26:50

through about the best partisan when it comes

26:52

to spend Bolland department. Ah,

26:54

signs of a document button and

26:56

forth. Without. At

26:58

least. I think the national

27:00

dreams over book. Listening.

27:02

To be easy to see them you

27:05

that I talking that he still has

27:07

aspirations if truly are of took it

27:09

falls over and. Doesn't.

27:11

Doesn't make was a test matches that as he

27:14

gets about noted runs he can be indifferent. And

27:17

then David betting I'm just getting hundred

27:19

on international duty. wins in Sat in

27:21

New Zealand. That's a t

27:23

the I go spots to say that

27:25

I saw. I saw played

27:28

in part of in two thousand and nine

27:30

part of one of the best first class

27:32

teams. In. The

27:34

in him about was in a modern

27:36

generation we are both active billions funky

27:38

arms. We. I'd But as

27:40

like Benkenstein even need some Chanderpaul Stoneman,

27:43

it was just coming into the game.

27:45

Yeah, So in Stokes who came in

27:47

as a seventeen year old thousand as

27:50

without, was a very, very good side.

27:52

I. Think a thing if this team.

27:55

Gets. A chance to play of more often than

27:57

not in the first seven games. And I think

27:59

that's what. He the term

28:01

a chance to win the championship. Live

28:04

there. fixtures full quite nicely. The player

28:06

hampshire twice in the early part. With.

28:08

Sorry as don't play with don't

28:11

plus sorry. In. The first seven

28:13

games. I.

28:15

Think evidence, everything fits nicely and

28:18

and one young bitmap that's didn't

28:20

mention and he's miserable Upcoming book

28:22

coming Indoors or Robinson. D.

28:25

V Rt Robinson we could keep me in May

28:27

and but as called a made it easy all

28:29

of of robinson not the only ones as long

28:31

as you have a to an English cricket. And

28:34

I think so that into the mix as in terms of

28:36

got. What? It takes to everything

28:38

that might stop them is. I

28:41

mean it's not stop. Been up here for about

28:44

six months and it doesn't look like stuff and

28:46

ban any time soon and this starts as give

28:48

a season at home to Hampshire. Ah,

28:52

I'm not certain Hampshire's volatile enjoy Bolland just

28:54

to stay on the first week of the

28:56

season. I'm just not sure the might a

28:58

matter of time into finish again. So that

29:00

for me is why don't can win the

29:02

league What What will stop them. Will.

29:05

Be international courts. A

29:08

cat or that thing down into the lake. And

29:11

was compelling to build a fake embedding

29:13

up with absolutely capella of get up

29:15

and agility and and bespoke suit. We're

29:17

sort of a as far as I'm

29:20

it's selection but it it is not

29:22

what is available. For. Selection.

29:25

You've. Got. Costs.

29:28

Costs would. Poland.

29:31

And you won't leave one out. As a leading us

29:33

to believe you're living up and rate as well. You.

29:37

Just need been coming to equation as he

29:39

and this and bedroom and is perfect for

29:41

these conditions says. he didn't on

29:43

come around the country will say was. Death.

29:46

And rape has been rental cars than me

29:48

I to to put it on the as

29:50

good. As. Well as the we're

29:52

Who's Doesn't Who did really well for

29:54

Durham last year as well. so did

29:56

So does your Klaus Me I used

29:58

not not young, but. Clark. And

30:01

the engine and and I didn't catch it was think is

30:04

gonna be a real challenge. I'm in.

30:06

The. Awesome! Elite

30:09

absolutely about the Lz obviously feel

30:11

a that belief. That

30:13

labeling it. Illegal. She later

30:15

that because we've been you know he's not

30:17

a concert and then you possibly leave out

30:19

some. Of the month. Would

30:22

is a bit special and he doesn't have

30:24

anything to prove. And I'm not. So them

30:26

Pit bull elk, them. How you make a point

30:28

about Apple's top rated anywhere? By the way, I can

30:30

We just I just want to jumpstart. This is Dan.

30:33

I'm I'm sure we'll. Get. This

30:35

and previous week. Is

30:38

suitably won't be smoking a broadly we

30:40

do not. That's essentially the reason when.

30:43

For some reason sorry been so successful at last be

30:45

used. You can. It. Got

30:47

really good so cancer the seems to have

30:49

to. Pick your

30:51

com for every game. Then.

30:55

That's a woman's to diseases net. You can if

30:57

you can. If you could look

30:59

out your seems for six months to point they can still.

31:02

Did you will need com mid September

31:04

then. Then you go half

31:06

a chance at. Which. I

31:08

guess is. Generally. Which I

31:10

just wanted. which which will don't have them. Sorry.

31:13

Op Amp trap locked out Eastern album in.

31:16

An. Yeah

31:18

when I guess we'd better has while you're still been

31:21

about a season rain. And pull

31:23

my maybe the Westin well as well after. It

31:26

ago today. Yeah, there's no need to. Plug.

31:28

My way to broaden cause. With.

31:30

Not with A.c Forecasters say where.

31:33

You. Might really need them. Supposed.

31:35

Could suffer game which leaves you could buy around.

31:38

With. Could be dry which can be flat. Avenue

31:40

for we do want to get the quakes on it. Which.

31:43

Turns his, was there a way. That.

31:46

You get, I'm not going to read, not. reflective it's

31:49

to that's about the world i spoke to

31:51

chase and hold us it i suggested elders

31:53

come to england to be alive for work

31:55

at his skills for the cook a our

31:57

a pool all the rest of if i

31:59

did instrument,

32:04

the shortest straight boundaries, surely in

32:07

the game. Tough

32:09

old gig. Anyway, good for

32:11

him. I mean, but, you know, he must really want

32:13

to play for West Indies again. He could be lying

32:15

on the beach in Barbados, couldn't he? Right

32:18

now, could be because he's got a busy old year.

32:21

And instead he has, you

32:23

know, taken the tough option and

32:25

good for him. I just, I'm always a

32:28

bit uncomfortable and I know you're right, Nick,

32:31

that there has to be a

32:33

balance between bowling workloads and rest

32:36

and rotation. I'm

32:38

always just a bit reluctant to start the season

32:40

by saying, you know, flogging past borders and all

32:42

the rest of it, because seeing

32:44

bowling is hard. And we do need to pick

32:46

up their, they need to pick up their bowling loads.

32:52

They need to be able to get through back to

32:54

back test tours because that's the way test tours are

32:57

now without any warm up games. They

32:59

do, but it's flogging them in advance, really the

33:01

best way of doing that. I'd have thought that

33:03

you want to hear about who these guys are, who

33:06

you think can bowl at that

33:08

pace. Except what Brydon Cask isn't

33:10

there yet, is he? Harvey's right.

33:12

He's one of those, like

33:15

John Turner and Josh Harnish

33:17

and even Zach Chandler. You

33:19

know, all these people who

33:22

are really talented and have the raw attributes, but

33:25

Brydon Cask isn't there yet. He's not the

33:27

finished article yet.

33:29

He's quick and promising and

33:32

strong and looks like there's masses to work

33:34

with. He's definitely exciting, but actually he's going

33:36

to have to bowl a fair bit to

33:39

fine tune, you know, pots actually, probably just

33:41

about is there. He looks like

33:43

he, and he only do that by

33:45

playing. So the balance has to be

33:47

right. And actually, John Turner's an interesting

33:49

one because does John Turner, and

33:52

honestly, I think I mentioned him last year in

33:54

this podcast, didn't I? John Turner

33:56

and Josh Hall are interesting because I

33:58

saw them bowl one or two balls. For more

34:00

the real fake we don't give

34:03

a very often. And. That's

34:05

to coming through together right now

34:07

young. I. Mean I wanted

34:09

to put a perspective. I saw that the first

34:11

will associate brought the school are surrounded Katich. Quite.

34:14

Special homie ah to be hobby

34:16

that yet because subsidies really obvious

34:19

the roar attributes. Pace.

34:22

Ah, A national Everything. But it's not

34:24

nothing. And. There are these

34:26

guys out there, but we do need them to play

34:28

a bit as well and it is hard, I many

34:30

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34:33

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37:20

The Robinson. A. He himself

37:22

said his make or break this year and.

37:24

So. We are kind of old and green. It's he

37:27

seeing a therapist. Thinks. It might be

37:29

mental thinks is bit unfortunate. A current.

37:31

Current Get that? And everything he

37:33

got he got injury try to get training.

37:36

Essentially on the field was believe that

37:38

only bomb us I will let such

37:40

as he also said no by. He.

37:42

Said. You. Can't

37:45

keep. Gate. Injured. Ah

37:48

place where game seven I was a

37:50

two game whatever it was, ah and

37:52

whole and always been very stolen that

37:54

exact point or another. or Vincent De

37:56

in his autobiography reduce. He. Is a

37:59

special talent. I. Think there's quite a

38:01

lot of good in there. I

38:04

really hope it works out there. But

38:06

or or we don't criticize Wallace who

38:08

have injuries and a yellow never criticized

38:10

a Ricky Elk for example, Are you

38:12

you know these guys guys who's that

38:14

career the sort of robbed from them.

38:17

Just. To the point where states they buy tickets. And.

38:21

Maybe he is just unfortunate.

38:23

But. He gives this impression. I

38:27

dunno David gower ask with the at

38:29

the equivalent that he's a very casual

38:31

but. It has the skills

38:33

he's got. He's obviously thought about

38:35

it's a lot. I was very impressed with

38:37

the B S like he relished been asked.

38:40

Tricky. Questions, He embraced it.

38:42

He was honest. And.

38:45

Weren't of excuses A lethal. He spoke to me. It's

38:47

all. There was no trying to say. He was hard

38:49

done by. Ah, I'm. I'm.

38:52

Reluctant to buy festival I post a pot partly just

38:54

because of that. Know much about it. I'm not by

38:56

edge to the side of the well. Good

38:59

luck to him. None of my business

39:01

really. Ah, But.

39:04

A fairly that he is. He has a special talent. And

39:07

he could without a lot of pies

39:09

to be the homies. Beer a force

39:11

in Australia had a bad eat I

39:13

won't many like that. I. Mean to

39:15

her. Other I. Profoundly. Agree with will

39:17

harm he said. A england have to

39:20

take the tough choices in the next few

39:22

months or perhaps do the equivalent to us

39:24

took of actually tells it was chef. You

39:27

know a thing that go to the assets

39:29

which I doubt this in their account later.

39:32

I. Think they're in trouble? Now. Yes, I.

39:34

Had was a great thing that you got. I've

39:36

had to sit still wanting to play and still

39:38

a brilliant baldo. No merit he probably using that

39:40

attack leader. Not necessarily about marriage is

39:43

also about building a team to the future and

39:45

everything else that they got. Difficult decisions that you

39:47

can have one bolo at that. He

39:50

of an attack. The. Are putting on

39:52

an errand hype in Ottawa? Motherlode good. I

39:54

hope it can be different last time. So

39:56

I'm. Now. is the time to

39:59

look at nice other options

40:01

and that will be difficult.

40:03

It's going to take some break. My

40:06

thing about Olly, which I've been consistent

40:08

with, just briefly, because I've

40:11

gone into far too much about him. For

40:13

me now, I've talked to GB about actions

40:15

now. He's walked off in three massive test

40:17

matches for his captain

40:19

and I don't think he can do that again. If

40:23

I was sitting in front of him, I'd be telling him, you've

40:25

just seen Stuart Broad leave the international

40:28

arena. You're 30 years old. You

40:30

have got possibly four or five years being

40:33

that role. The tall bowler, leading

40:37

the attack, being the planet

40:39

mind villain if you want. You

40:41

can have Red Bull cricket,

40:43

10, 15 test matches a year.

40:46

I want an 84 mile an

40:48

hour and taking wickets at 22 because

40:51

you've got the talent. Have you

40:53

got the discipline to

40:58

put yourself in a position every single day

41:00

to set the standard that Stuart Broad did? That's

41:03

something I would be

41:06

concerned about. But talent, no

41:08

question whatsoever. This kid is really, really talented.

41:11

We can't bow at 28 mile an hour

41:14

from over four to however many

41:16

he bowls in a deer

41:18

spell or a test match because

41:22

that's just not good enough. But I

41:25

think he's a world leader. He

41:27

can't walk off the same test matches being big

41:29

test matches the way he has done now and

41:31

expect people to go, oh,

41:33

we feel sorry for you, Ollie, because you're letting

41:35

your team down, you're letting your captain down. I

41:38

think he gets it, Hami. I

41:41

think he gets it. I think I really

41:43

hope there's a happy ending to that story. But... But

41:47

we've been through it. I

41:49

wore a T-shirt. I understood. I

41:51

looked in that mirror a couple of

41:53

times. I was 23, 24. Can

41:57

He do it at 30? I Really, really hope. Because

42:00

like a said effects you approach quests

42:02

for the next four years and really

42:05

driving when the attack forward. Your

42:07

art you want? Robinson.

42:10

Actually, walk with Stokes. But.

42:12

When outs Australia. Actually,

42:14

what I reckon England could win with that.

42:17

Now. But she has a spinner. I think that's

42:19

an attack. Sport. As much as

42:22

with that a South African thing that give us

42:24

a really to give. Well.

42:26

They do this goes rugs, butcher yet

42:28

at guys they rattler running outside and

42:30

and I just say I love this

42:33

alfalfa there are so excited to be

42:35

back I'm just I'm loving it that

42:37

Sam. Before we finish can

42:39

you just oh give me as selling

42:42

enjoyed the next and homie. Just a

42:44

things are looking forward to seeing. In

42:46

the next day next few months as a

42:49

supply I was is a gram with it's

42:51

a match up whether it's a team and

42:53

whatever What is it that say is that.

42:55

What? Is it that you're missing for to the head in

42:58

this county season? To.

43:00

Who you are to go made a

43:02

Isis doesn't everyone in England have some

43:05

extent seasonal affective disorder. always figure be

43:07

weird if we didn't ah I don't

43:09

to the stars Summer is a joy

43:11

lots of different ways are at a

43:13

bow. Have never lost the thrill of

43:15

guys were county ground gonna be paid

43:18

was Kelly cricket cricket in general it's

43:20

a thrill the day isn't I will

43:22

stop. I

43:24

don't know what's gonna happen. I.

43:26

Do feel that there's a lot of

43:28

talent. Young talent, untapped talented. The English

43:31

game. And

43:33

other loved sits flourish. It feels as

43:36

it should at this time, the years

43:38

as the days in front of us.

43:40

You know with all the. Possibility.

43:43

For adventure been. I.

43:45

don't know what's gonna happen but that college

43:48

glorious about it so i don't know particular

43:50

what i'm looking forward to a me or

43:52

other sites of of those young boat as

43:54

i know john cena just how will be

43:56

really great to watch in action on the

43:58

road said as well But you know, I'm

44:00

looking at the fixture list and each one of the games

44:02

I'm going to, I don't know, I can't wait. A

44:05

bit of a geek I guess. What

44:08

about you Nick? I think some

44:10

of the thoughts are also said in the way, I mean I spoke

44:13

to Peter Moors yesterday and he said um

44:16

I don't know something made a lot

44:18

of sense, maybe it's a whimsical and stuff but it's

44:20

also the great deal that every season is that

44:22

you come into the season knowing that at the end

44:24

of the season you'll be talking about someone

44:27

you've never thought you'd be talking about. If you

44:29

think two years ago Ben Compton

44:31

was sort of like the story of the summer, the story of the counter

44:33

summer in a way. I mean basically joined

44:35

Kent from Knots 2's, you

44:38

know last season James Roo scored 500s out of

44:40

nowhere as a 19

44:42

year old kid. I don't know, I

44:44

quite like that. I mean I, you know, was

44:47

like anti-cricut, well it's not a,

44:50

you know, so I've got guest key tabs and a lot of guys

44:53

coming through and it's quite cool

44:56

not really knowing what's going

44:58

to happen with them and who's going to, you know,

45:00

someone you might have really high hopes for might, you

45:03

know, get injured in week

45:06

two and not be seen until September and likewise

45:08

someone who you might never really have heard of or thought about

45:10

before might score a thousand runs. Of

45:13

course, the great thing, I don't know, I think what's interesting now with the

45:15

way that England looked particularly is you

45:17

don't have to take 60 wickets or score, what's

45:19

for 1200 runs. You could have

45:22

a very good couple of weeks and get clocked

45:24

very quickly, score a very

45:27

good hundred against the right player and then

45:29

suddenly you could be able to win the tour and

45:32

I think that is quite exciting. I

45:36

don't, you know, I threw all the usual names at you, it's one

45:38

of the years, fantastic to watch. I

45:40

love him to have a proper breakthrough year.

45:42

Ajit Singh Dale, I think is a really interesting

45:44

goal though, he's got a really unusual action, he

45:47

is quick. He spent

45:49

a lot of his winter net bowling at the Afghanistan Test

45:52

Team and I think

45:54

like, I know you didn't go in the end but he was teed

45:57

up to do some work with an IPL team as a net bowler as well

45:59

I think. There are interesting

46:01

stories and guys who will be

46:03

loads better for for the winter

46:06

That's on the Lions camp and the Lions tour be

46:08

interesting to watch as a young squad

46:10

as well So like to see who's really coming

46:12

from there John's out of the engine at

46:14

the moment which is a shame and sort of internally in

46:17

time because somebody saw a couple winter isn't it but you and

46:20

Josh I was well, yeah a lot culture. I just coming on to a

46:22

lot of people's radar the first

46:24

time probably with with that rocky interview for

46:26

a couple of weeks ago, so and And

46:29

yeah, that's the exciting If

46:31

I give you a name it would be someone who would you know,

46:33

you might have his 20 and not be seen past August

46:36

But there'll be some to be someone out there is not

46:39

on anyone's radar And that right now who you I

46:42

suspect will be all over it come August and September time Apart

46:45

from Durham lifting the trophy army,

46:48

what are you looking forward to the most? Looking

46:50

forward to it stop raining first and foremost because

46:52

I think once that rain goes away get some

46:55

decent pitches That first division

46:57

the county championship, especially the first seven games

46:59

I think there's some this

47:01

some humdinger again some really good quality

47:03

players playing that hard hard clicking against

47:06

each other There's some quick

47:08

bowlers around now, which I think I'm

47:10

looking forward to seeing see and

47:12

go see how the How

47:14

they go and pull up throughout the sort

47:17

of this short period of a lot of games a

47:19

lot of days played But

47:22

as much as you know, Nick George has

47:24

mentioned some some younger players we've

47:27

got some some really good senior players

47:29

playing cricket in this first

47:31

seven games and You

47:34

know one especially I'll just go with one

47:36

example, especially you've got Joe root possibly playing

47:39

five games for Yorkshire You know

47:41

five different venues and opposition young player

47:43

is opposition to play not even played

47:45

in the game We'll

47:47

be able to go up to Joe at lunchtime and in the

47:49

lunchroom and have a chat with him Talk

47:51

to him guys got 11 and a half

47:54

thousand test match runs. He is one of the nicest

47:56

guys in the world You'll give you

47:58

time as much as you want. Ben

48:00

Stokes do not England captain rounds

48:02

as well. So all this me

48:04

how that comes with. Your.

48:07

County. Cricket. The. First seven games

48:09

I think is probably about the most exciting

48:11

county cricket star the seasons. I think a

48:13

lot of people have been waiting for a

48:15

long long time to does a lot. Big

48:17

names plant. And if

48:19

you've got young for as type it into that.

48:22

I. Think it's so valuable for the

48:24

lights. Rocky Brendon Mccullum Matthew Mark Going

48:26

forward. Because. Players will lead

48:29

such So much more Education! Speaking.

48:32

To grip was. Watching

48:34

Great Place on Earth from middle of made

48:36

on the office. Imagine starting to feel watching

48:38

Joe Root back for analysis? You gonna? You're

48:40

gonna be going to get me and everyone

48:43

around quite a bit. Were you gonna learn

48:45

how the law. But. As

48:47

temperament about would have met some

48:49

some next greatness. And that

48:51

for me, is what I'm looking for during the first

48:53

seven games account some. Every. Time he

48:55

talks he makes me excited and I. X

48:59

right Let's not get it and

49:01

look at least twelve gotta let.

49:04

Us know it's not read as good as

49:06

like. I can spot talent. Is.

49:08

Is that his wife signed him

49:10

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49:12

That guy's sense unless it's are.

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