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in the fire brains. Welcome

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to a very special edition of Firebrand.

0:57

We are broadcasting now from the Spotify

0:59

studios in Los Angeles, California. As you

1:02

know, this is a time when Congress

1:04

is out of Washington, D.C. We're moving

1:06

around the country. Some are doing investigative

1:08

work. Some are doing communications work and

1:11

political work. We're incredibly grateful that the

1:13

Spotify team has invited us here to

1:15

this sound stage. They actually make them

1:18

available to all of their creators to

1:20

be able to come in. We're very

1:22

proud that Firebrand is hosted on

1:24

Spotify in addition to the other

1:26

platforms that we're able to use.

1:28

We're grateful for all of our

1:31

Spotify listeners and certainly grateful for

1:33

this tremendous opportunity. So the goal

1:35

for this discussion is not going

1:37

to be to review breaking news

1:39

or news of the day, but

1:41

to have an in-depth discussion with

1:43

Tony Bobolinsky. You know Tony Bobolinsky

1:45

as the most credible narrator of

1:47

this entire experience of the Biden

1:49

investigations. When the Chinese Communist

1:51

Party wanted to have influence around the

1:54

world and in the United States,

1:56

Tony Bobolinsky was there among the

1:58

Bidens and other Biden associates. associates,

2:00

as he believed a business deal

2:02

was being created to deploy capital

2:04

within the United States. But

2:06

what Mr. Bobolinsky thought was a business

2:09

deal started to look more and more

2:11

like a bribe to him. Now

2:13

we've gone over a lot of the facts.

2:16

We've gone over a lot of

2:18

the documents, text messages that have

2:20

really corroborated Mr. Bobolinsky. And you

2:22

may have seen folks in the

2:24

media or even Democrats on the

2:26

House Judiciary Committee attack this man.

2:29

But what they never attacked, what

2:31

they never challenged was any fact

2:33

he laid out, any meeting he

2:35

had, any place he was, any

2:37

document that he provided. Instead,

2:41

there was a critique of his goals, a

2:43

critique of his motives, a critique of his person.

2:46

And that is something that as we

2:48

saw in the House Judiciary Committee, as

2:50

America saw, Mr. Bobolinsky was well, well

2:52

adapted to handle and handled

2:55

them. Indeed, he did. We

2:57

keep hearing from certain corners that our democracy is

2:59

at risk and democracy is on the ballot in

3:01

24. Yet the same

3:03

people preaching this mantra know better. They

3:06

continue to lie directly to the

3:08

American people without hesitation and remorse.

3:12

Rep. Dan Goldman and Jamie Raskin,

3:14

both lawyers and Mr.

3:16

Goldman, a former prosecutor with the SDNY

3:18

from New York, will continue to lie

3:20

today in this hearing and then go

3:22

straight to the media to tell more

3:25

lies. My biggest appeal to everyone in

3:27

this room is I wish you would

3:29

spend the time focusing on the fact

3:31

that the Chinese Communist Party infiltrated the

3:33

White House of the United States of

3:35

America through the Biden family. I don't

3:37

say that lightly. It's not a joke.

3:39

I was willing to die for this

3:41

country, as was my father and both

3:43

my grandfathers and my brother. It's the

3:45

serious, serious stuff. We

3:47

should be asking how that happened. Take

3:49

the Biden name and the Biden family

3:51

completely out of it. How did the

3:53

Chinese Communist Party infiltrate the White House

3:55

of the United States of America? Let's

3:57

start there, focus on those facts. what

4:00

they did, how they did it,

4:02

why they used money, why they

4:04

used private enterprises instead of military

4:06

stuff and other stuff. That is

4:08

huge for national security. But

4:11

I don't want this discussion to

4:13

just be about what we're learning

4:15

from the Bidens and the documents

4:17

that relate to their business activities

4:19

and their activities with China. My

4:22

hope is that this discussion will teach us

4:24

a little bit more about how the power

4:26

centers in the world work. I

4:29

am concerned that increasingly the

4:31

institutions that we have often

4:33

admired and looked to as

4:35

Americans, institutions like the United

4:37

Nations, like our judicial system,

4:39

are increasingly being compromised by

4:41

China through bribes. And

4:43

this is not some conspiracy theory I

4:45

have. It's not just a viewpoint from

4:48

Mr. Bobolinsky. As we're going to prove

4:50

to you, this has been the position

4:52

of the United States government in very

4:55

specific and in very

4:57

meaningful criminal litigation in the Southern

4:59

District of New York. Now you'll

5:01

hear from Mr. Bobolinsky about a

5:03

company called CEFC. And

5:05

CEFC was really the investment wing

5:07

of China's energy business and a

5:10

big part of their One Belt,

5:12

One Road initiative. CEFC

5:16

has one of their major executives,

5:18

major players, put on trial in

5:20

New York for corruption. Corruption

5:22

that involved countries in Africa,

5:25

banks in New York, people

5:27

in our own government. And

5:30

in those circumstances, I think we

5:32

can learn a lot about how

5:34

bribes, how global institutions are driving

5:36

the decisions that affect the

5:39

lives of people here and all around

5:41

the world. So with that, I welcome

5:43

Tony Bobolinsky. Tony, you have

5:45

been through an experience that not a lot

5:48

of people have. Testifying before Congress, having

5:50

your story scrutinized by every

5:53

opposition research entity, every media

5:55

entity, every congressman. And

5:58

without question, every... person I've talked to

6:01

in town halls around my district, around the

6:03

country, they say you were credible, that you

6:05

stood on the facts and that no one

6:07

really challenged you on those facts. But

6:09

just talk a little bit about like as a human being

6:11

who didn't have a lot of

6:13

notoriety before all of this, going through

6:16

this process, what's your reflection on

6:18

it as we sit here today in the Spotify

6:20

studios in Los Angeles? Yeah, good morning, Matt. And

6:22

obviously I'd like to thank Spotify as well for

6:24

hosting us and Joel and Matt, you and your

6:27

team for having me down here. So

6:31

stating that I had no notoriety before all

6:33

this is probably an understatement because I had

6:36

spent the prior 10 plus

6:38

years working for one of the wealthiest families in the

6:40

world. And through my

6:43

time doing that, most people actually didn't know

6:45

what I did for a living because I

6:47

didn't really talk about it. I didn't have

6:49

any social media accounts. I didn't have a,

6:51

you know, profiles. We didn't have a website.

6:53

The family was a very low key, very,

6:55

very wealthy family. And we invested all over

6:57

the world and I could care

7:00

less if anybody knew my name. So

7:02

I was the, you know, the stark

7:05

contrast of this environment we live in

7:07

today where, you know, people are building

7:09

huge social media following. So it's,

7:13

it has been an education

7:16

of just how the media works. If

7:18

you had asked me, I actually lived in a

7:20

place for almost 15 years that didn't have a

7:22

TV in it. Um, if I wanted entertainment, I'd

7:25

go to the movie theater and during, you know,

7:27

I was working 80 to a hundred hour weeks

7:29

and I had four Bloomberg's on my desk. So

7:31

if I needed information on any company I was

7:34

invested in, I could get it instantly and, and

7:36

stuff like that. And so if

7:38

you had asked me six years ago, if

7:40

the media, um, lied,

7:43

misrepresented, told half stories,

7:45

I would have said, no, that's, that

7:47

doesn't happen. Um, there's laws that protect that

7:50

from happening and hold them accountable and stuff

7:52

like that. I was ignorant on the subject.

7:54

Um, you know, our companies that we're invested

7:56

in had comms people and I really didn't

7:58

get involved at that. level if I sat

8:01

on a board and stuff like that. So

8:03

to say that this was just a crazy,

8:05

rude awakening of what I've gone through the

8:07

last five years, it's been astonishing. And most

8:09

people will never go through that. Most

8:11

people will not go from being

8:13

a consumer of information to being

8:16

kind of the subject of that

8:18

entire ecosystem. Now you talk about

8:20

commspeople in our operation, our

8:22

communications director is Joel Valdez. He is the

8:24

executive director of Firebrand. Joel is

8:27

joining us to help us today, also

8:29

to give the everyman perspective. But

8:32

it's certainly something to

8:35

go from a world in which

8:38

you're judged by these high-intensity

8:41

economic decisions to being peppered

8:43

with five-minute rounds of questions.

8:47

Before we get into any of the specifics

8:49

here, if you were to meet someone and

8:51

they were about to reveal information

8:54

about a powerful person that disrupted

8:56

the power dynamics and shifted the

8:58

tectonic plates of politics in our

9:00

country, what advice would

9:02

you give them about being the

9:04

subject of media scrutiny, having a

9:06

story to tell, and then emerging

9:09

as a critical congressional witness? It's

9:12

funny because actually the parallel in

9:14

the investing business, I spent my

9:16

whole career post the Navy in

9:18

the investment business and you'd

9:20

always talk to early stage and venture

9:22

companies and tell them to fine-tune their

9:25

elevator pitch, their 60-second elevator pitch. This

9:28

story about the Biden corruption and

9:30

the involvement of

9:32

China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania,

9:35

and the list continues on to try

9:37

to package that in two-minute

9:39

or five-minute sound bites as nearly

9:42

impossible. To prepare for

9:44

congressional testimony, it was just an interesting

9:46

dynamic because I'm fighting to get the

9:48

facts out to the American people. I

9:52

had this interchange with AOC where she was

9:54

looking for a sound bite or something short

9:56

and quick and sweet. This is not a

9:58

short, quick and sweet. Sweet story. I believe

10:01

the fact that he was sitting with me while

10:03

I was putting together a beat. Us President

10:05

committed a crime. Isn't your

10:08

testimony today? Yes, And

10:10

What crime? Do. You have

10:12

you written? How. Much time do I have to go

10:14

through it is. Simple You name the

10:16

crime, did you watch him spill

10:19

something or corruption statues Rico and

10:21

can what? Let's see what they

10:23

a lot is the crime sir.

10:26

You. With specific issue is that the you

10:28

keep up you ask me the answer the

10:30

question I answered the question Know go. You're

10:32

obviously not familiar with drugs. Instead of

10:34

me sir x you are say

10:37

excuse me Sir Rico is not

10:39

a crime, It is a category.

10:42

What about China? Gory of crimes

10:44

that your then charge. You have

10:46

scars on long one hundred. You

10:48

have charges. Sir. Please

10:50

The name that statute that Riga

10:52

was. well it's funny in this

10:54

committee room. Everyone's not here. There's over right.

10:56

Click my lawyers the right the last one.

10:58

I really like time. you guys are they

11:00

find the sir. I regret my time. I

11:03

don't have a picture of Joe

11:05

Biden picking up a duffel bag

11:07

of twenty million dollars of cash.

11:09

This is a very complicated involving

11:11

the most powerful countries in the

11:13

world and how they operate to

11:15

infiltrate powerful. Business. Powerful

11:18

political people in the United States,

11:20

and I'm simply fighting to get

11:22

the facts out to the American

11:24

people. That's all I ever wanted

11:26

to do. And that sort of

11:28

plays into your question about his,

11:30

you know, rude awakening And twenty

11:32

twenty. I simply wanted to. Deliver.

11:35

The facts to Congressional on Parties Senators

11:37

and let them go. Take these facts

11:39

and educate the American people. But unfortunately

11:41

that wasn't done as efficiently as it

11:43

could be. So here I sit with

11:45

you today, still fighting to get the

11:47

facts out to the American people. For.

11:51

A lot of folks I think it's

11:53

It's not familiar to think about. Kind.

11:56

Of who you are in the world and in

11:58

the grand scheme of the economy because. People

12:00

don't know attorney bible and ski in their

12:02

life. so. If. If you

12:04

were to drawn an archetype for you,

12:06

you know you're not like you're not

12:08

Bobby Axelrod right? Because you don't run

12:11

a hedge fund but at the same

12:13

time a lot of the people who

12:15

are are running family funds or making

12:17

big investment decisions kind of seek you

12:19

out as someone to hunt deals. mind

12:22

deal. So like who is a Tony

12:24

bubble in seats the archetype that people

12:26

could associate with. I struggled with this.

12:28

Yeah, it's interesting because I had numerous

12:30

offers to my career to young become

12:33

a Bobby. Axelrod to launch my own

12:35

hedge fund private equity fund. I chose

12:37

not to. I chose to work for

12:39

specific family, which is an interesting dynamic

12:42

because you're you're intertwined yeah, with their

12:44

children, with their grandchildren, all the personal

12:46

aspects of their family business. Oh, trust

12:48

is even at a much much higher

12:50

level than it would be if I

12:53

went to war for a Goldman Sachs

12:55

or ran my own hedge fund. Amen

12:57

when I say try familiar to you

12:59

and working with a family. An.

13:02

Inner inner. Twining.

13:04

A family dynamic which I would cure

13:06

for your every family dynamic is as

13:08

controversy is. With business.

13:12

Were you able to draw on that at

13:14

all? as you kind of saw the Bidens

13:16

interacting? And as you were there having a

13:18

meeting with Joe Biden he's telling you to

13:20

take care of his son lived there Must

13:22

have been some sort of are. Merging

13:25

of kind of family and business that you

13:27

were able to identify and see based on

13:29

your back. Again I'm sure the binds picked

13:31

up on it because I had spent my

13:33

time working for one the wealthiest the is

13:36

the world's that had multiple generations involved in

13:38

the business. so I would be training large

13:40

amounts of start on a daily basis and

13:42

the grandchildren would walk in my office and

13:44

ask hey how you doing, what are you

13:46

doing can we say and your step in

13:48

to learn what I was doing or talk

13:51

about it And so I developed a relationship

13:53

and just a mutual trust of the dynamics.

13:55

Between your the grandchild and

13:57

the patriarch and they're different

13:59

prospect. There's on live in the and

14:01

the kids as well because they all have

14:03

their own families, their own interests, their own

14:06

wealth. Each one of these families were you

14:08

hugely wealthy and their own right. And then

14:10

and aggregates you don't want the most powerful

14:12

wealthy families in the world. So it was.

14:14

I'm going with a powerful family that that

14:17

is producing a lot of cash with investments

14:19

everybody wants to get their big wet and

14:21

sometimes that challenging and how it's presented and

14:23

talked about in disgust. And it seemed as

14:25

though. In. This china deal where

14:27

they would bring in you and decreed

14:30

the vieira veneer of a business arrangement.

14:32

But really it was. it was the

14:34

facilitation of of payment to family members

14:36

of it seemed as though. You.

14:38

Might have been drawn into that because

14:40

they knew. You were familiar with

14:43

the interplay. A family business? Yeah, no

14:45

question. I'm in. James Gil Your who

14:47

was the individual former British military British

14:49

Intelligence and didn't really talk much about

14:51

what he did outside of sort of

14:54

relationships and sauce I'm I'd known him

14:56

for approximate ten years from gills I

14:58

was doing around the world. And just

15:00

to give your listeners a snapshots, I'm

15:03

not just talking about China. I've been

15:05

to mainland China ten plus times. I'd

15:07

a business there that employed hundreds of

15:09

people that work for me. It

15:12

was in a business very similar to

15:14

Groupon so as a daily deal kind

15:16

of business at restaurants and spas and

15:18

of right thing and I'm all over

15:21

that Asian region Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore,

15:23

Malaysia, South Korea. So I spent a

15:25

lotta time there in two thousand and

15:27

ten, Two Thousand and Eleven and two

15:30

Thousand and twelve And I personally was

15:32

highly, highly concerned and skeptical. About

15:34

China. And so when James Kill your initially

15:36

brought this up to me in two thousand

15:39

and fifteen. I. Was encouraging

15:41

him to. You know. I'm.

15:44

Be. intense on your due diligence don't believe

15:46

anything till this it's signed a the money's

15:48

in the bank ask a lot of questions

15:50

out of a out of a position of

15:52

concern so this wasn't you know this this

15:55

deal with the bidens wasn't the first time

15:57

you are familiar with how the chinese do

15:59

business Correct. You had

16:01

done other deals in China with

16:03

China with Chinese interests or assets,

16:05

deals in the tens of millions.

16:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you were, okay, so you

16:10

got that. Had you also ever

16:12

done business in Africa? I've

16:14

been to Africa. I've looked at a couple

16:16

of deals there. I personally have not deployed

16:18

any capital in Africa. I'm interested with

16:21

China working on modern day

16:23

colonialism in Africa. It's

16:26

an interesting interplay. So getting

16:29

back to kind of how America got to

16:31

know you, this testimony against the Bidens, one

16:34

thing that struck me is that you're the

16:36

one guy who emerges out of Biden world

16:38

who's not a criminal, telling the truth about

16:41

them. I mean, you've got Devin Archer, who

16:43

was indicted. I guess he's

16:46

subject to his trial. You

16:48

got the Bulger family, Whitey

16:51

Bulger son, I guess. I

16:54

mean, I don't know that he's a criminal,

16:56

but the Bulger name certainly evokes a sensible

16:58

kind of business they're at least tied

17:00

to. Then you got

17:04

Galatas sitting in a prison

17:06

cell, and you're the one guy who emerges out of it. You've

17:09

never been accused of a crime, to my knowledge. I have not. Never

17:11

been arrested. I have not. Never

17:13

gone to prison. And so you're a business guy that comes

17:16

out of this, and you become the central narrator. The

17:19

way they chose to attack you was interesting. They

17:22

didn't really go after any of the claims you

17:24

made, because it was all documented. Instead,

17:27

they went after your goals. They started

17:29

by saying you were some sort of

17:31

political operative. Mr. Bobolinsky

17:33

made his hazy allegations against

17:35

the Bidens public for the

17:37

first time at a press

17:39

conference choreographed by the Trump

17:42

for President campaign, which provided him a

17:44

venue, a gaggle of journalists, and even

17:46

a dress shirt that they went out

17:48

and bought for him to wear

17:51

to the event. Hours later, Mr. Bobolinsky

17:53

joined the second 2020 presidential

17:55

debate as Donald Trump's

17:58

personal guest, where he was seated

18:00

with Kid Rock and Mark Meadows. Address

18:03

that directly. Yeah, it's interesting because

18:06

the American people pray. Hopefully they're

18:08

not tired because I bleed red,

18:10

white, and blue first, then blue

18:12

and white for Penn State second.

18:15

But I don't say

18:17

this lightly. I grew up the grandson

18:20

of a 37-year Army

18:23

intelligence officer that spoke, I

18:26

think, eight languages. So effectively he

18:28

was a military spy. My

18:30

mom, my aunt was born in Cuba.

18:32

That family had to be extracted from

18:34

Cuba back in the day. My father

18:36

spent his whole career as a naval

18:38

officer traveling the world as I did

18:40

as a kid. My brother, a 28-year

18:42

Navy flight officer who

18:44

served in combat. My other grandfather

18:47

served in the Air Force and

18:49

I was lucky enough to be

18:51

invited, I think they picked 25 instructors

18:53

a year, to go teach at

18:55

nuclear power school, probably the most

18:57

elite academic intense environment founded by

19:00

Admiral Rickover. And I

19:02

only reiterate that each

19:04

time did the American people to sort of set a

19:06

tone of, I am not political.

19:09

I was willing to dive for this country

19:11

and fight for this country, as was every

19:13

immediate male in my family. We

19:16

love this country. I've been simply trying to

19:18

get the facts out to the American people

19:20

and you bring up a good point. They don't

19:22

attack the facts. I've yet to see Hunter

19:25

Biden or Abby Lowell come out and

19:27

say, hey that text, you know, they're

19:29

causing concerns it's a screenshot of a

19:31

blackberry. That text has been doctored. They

19:34

never say that because every document, every

19:36

email, every text I produced is factual,

19:38

has metadata. Unfortunately, forensic people couldn't pull

19:40

it off the blackberry so I had

19:42

to take pictures of it. Well it's

19:45

not even, it's not even challenged. That's

19:47

what's so ridiculous about the criticisms of

19:49

you showing screenshots from a blackberry. There's

19:51

not a single person who says that

19:54

these messages were not sent and received.

19:56

Right. Not one. They Just they

19:58

just want to nitpick at the. Yeah,

20:00

at the origin, but they don't. They don't

20:03

in any way challenge the contents. And.

20:05

The content is then. Reinforced

20:07

with the actual meetings that occurred, mates and

20:09

and your own testimony about those experiences. But

20:11

but I want I want to draw finer

20:13

point in the question that it would you

20:16

say your goals are to get. Get

20:18

the information out when. One thing I

20:20

noticed is that during the congressional testimony.

20:23

People. Try debates you into saying that

20:25

you believed Joe Biden should be impeached.

20:28

Do you saying Chairman Calmer has

20:30

proven that Joe Biden has committed

20:32

a high crime and misdemeanor. I.

20:35

Believe with all the evidence is gathered. Yes,

20:37

he's proven that Joe Biden is committed i

20:40

crimes and misdemeanors. Okay, and so I soon

20:42

you believe Joe Biden should be impeached. Well.

20:45

That's up to you guys. Are you

20:47

said luck? That's not for me, That's for

20:49

the Congress to decide on land the facts

20:52

out. But when this is all over Tony

20:54

What what? What do you want to have

20:56

happened like choosing to buy this blog and

20:58

jailed you believe Joe Biden to be impeached?

21:01

Do believe that this you just flavor our

21:03

understanding of the broader corruption problems we have.

21:05

shouldn't we to Legislation I've had I've had

21:08

your republicans and Democrats even say you know

21:10

watching all this stuff. if it's not a

21:12

crime maybe it should be at and it

21:14

you want to see like a Bobby Alinsky

21:17

build come out of this. What's your when

21:19

this is all over. What makes it worth

21:21

it to you that you put your name

21:24

on the line, You've put your credibility on

21:26

the line and and really you know now

21:28

you go from being. A finance

21:30

guy in a deal guy to being seen

21:32

as the guy bringing down the bidens. Or.

21:36

There's a lot in that question so

21:38

how they're gonna have kids. So a

21:40

I look forward to sort of off

21:42

into the sunset and going back to

21:44

my private life is I'm enjoying my

21:46

family willing to fight for this country

21:48

Ill at however I'm asked to on,

21:50

but I look forward to that and

21:52

people such as yourself. Who

21:55

are you know driving change in and

21:57

make waves in Congress or there's a

21:59

couple different. Is it is. I've

22:01

always been shocked. I

22:04

think we discuss this in the hearing

22:06

in the spring of two thousand and

22:08

seventeen. When I started to take meetings

22:10

and and get up to speed on

22:12

this and had lawyer setting up the

22:14

business I was shocked. Would be an

22:17

understatement that the binds were even. Able

22:20

to be anywhere near these discussions.

22:22

Remember. I held a queue security clearance which

22:25

is granted by the Deo he and than an

22:27

essay and I to fill a form out every

22:29

year under oath that I had receive gifts are

22:31

out of I could be wrong on the dollar

22:34

man as he was somewhere between fifty nine hundred

22:36

dollars. No immediate member of my family had receive

22:38

gifts or was interacting sort of like F B

22:40

I agents have to do every year. And

22:43

so with that purview seen what these guys

22:45

were doing in the spring of two thousand

22:47

seventeenth I asked my lawyers as i just

22:49

doesn't make sense or like you know I

22:51

have a great reputation as spent time all

22:54

of the what I were for one the

22:56

most private but wealth is famous in the

22:58

world I can't be. On. The have

23:00

zero interest in stepping out the box and

23:02

so they looked into it from my vantage

23:04

point and under a C P A and

23:06

dotted lines across seas. That. Doesn't

23:08

mean they looked at it from the

23:10

binds vantage point, what they were able

23:12

to do as a political family and

23:15

their relationships and all that stuff and

23:17

so I believe there needs to be.

23:19

I'm a legislation to require if it's

23:21

not already in place because I'm not

23:23

an expert on it's for the President's

23:25

family and the vice President's family because

23:28

of my lawyers are frustrated when the

23:30

asking this question I it early has

23:32

it's a criminal law firm and a

23:34

lawyer do a bunch of work not

23:36

for me I don't need. it but

23:38

what the vice president and their

23:40

immediate family members are allowed to do

23:43

under the current legislation know sort

23:45

of shocking to me that's why many

23:47

lcs me the question i could

23:49

quickly talk about rico and conspiracy and

23:51

stuff like that's because i've spent

23:53

a large amount of my own personal

23:56

funds having noise dig into that

23:58

to understand it because currently My

24:00

understanding is the vice president the president live under sort of

24:02

a slightly different umbrella than

24:05

if you're an FBI agent or a Naval

24:07

officer or a member of Congress or a

24:09

member of Congress and I don't understand how

24:11

I as a lieutenant With a Q security

24:14

clearance had to disclose every year if I

24:16

even had a lunch with a foreign national

24:18

Yet the vice president the president United States

24:21

Possibly can have their immediate family members

24:23

their son their brothers flying

24:25

all over the world meeting with you know effectively

24:31

Foreign nationals with close close so that would be

24:33

a goal of yours. So I mean you laid

24:35

out a nation Yeah, the Biden

24:37

family is gonna also write

24:39

off into the sunset can't tell you exactly

24:41

when but the threat of China to

24:44

the United States of America is More

24:46

real and has been real for

24:48

decades and if your listeners

24:50

want to read a great book There's a book

24:53

out there called spies and lies That

24:55

walks through the MSS the Ministry of

24:57

State Security Which is the Intel agencies

25:00

for the Chinese Communist Party and they

25:02

give a PhD Dissertation

25:05

on how little might

25:07

be as simple as a cab driver in New

25:09

York gathering information of what they see to

25:12

you know the highest kind of operations

25:14

of Information exchange and stuff like that. So I

25:16

believe there's well, let me tell you there Let

25:18

me step you there because I think this is

25:21

this is getting somewhere really good If

25:24

if because of your testimony and what you've

25:26

illuminated We end

25:28

up with stronger Anti-corruption laws.

25:30

Let's just make that a basket and Katie Porter

25:32

laid out some great ideas. I thought she did

25:34

a great job Oh, yeah hearing we should

25:37

have a policy discussion about how

25:39

to stop government officials from using

25:41

their positions to get money or

25:44

favors Now that is a real

25:46

hearing one that nearly every American

25:48

regardless of party wants us to

25:51

hold We could start

25:53

by talking about how senior executive

25:55

branch officials can leave public service

25:58

Wait Just one year. I'm

26:00

legally become lobbyists for

26:03

big corporations, scoring their

26:05

new employers profitable government

26:07

contracts and favorable regulations.

26:09

They can even be

26:11

paid. By. The big

26:13

corporations. During. that sort

26:15

of when you while we're waiting

26:17

to become lobbyists as a down

26:19

payment for their future ability to

26:22

peddle influence. That's. Wrong. For.

26:25

The Panel of Witnesses. By. Show

26:27

of Hands as them as Americans

26:29

would are witnesses Support extending this

26:32

one year waiting period to at

26:34

least two years. Know.

26:38

I would have a so do it

26:41

All Republicans. Democrats even

26:43

convicted criminals. everybody.

26:45

Supports. That. We should

26:47

do more to stop influence peddling. And.

26:50

Then, it also resulted in the

26:52

American people becoming more resilient against

26:55

this thread of Chinese bribery and

26:57

Chinese aggression and malign influence. But.

27:00

It never resulted in an impeachment

27:02

of Joe Biden, nor a prosecution

27:04

or criminal if just resulted in

27:07

legislation and then stronger American resilience

27:09

against China. Will. Will Will

27:11

All of it have been worth it

27:14

to a thousand percent of thousand presents

27:16

I said. I bleed red, white and

27:18

blue. I don't say that lightly. We

27:21

have to protect our country or people

27:23

are intellectual property. All these people in

27:25

this country working sixty sixty hour weeks

27:28

to produce things that are being stolen

27:30

by the Chinese Communist Party. We need

27:32

to protect him and wake up to

27:35

how they are in full training or

27:37

countries and notice they are using capital

27:39

to do it. Obvious see one

27:41

the largest economies in the world

27:44

back and forces the United States

27:46

they deploy People are like all

27:48

the binds. Millions of dollars that

27:50

the Chinese Communist Party deploys, pride,

27:52

Tens of billions of not hundreds

27:54

of billions of dollars around the

27:56

world in full training. Africa, South

27:58

America, Europe, Eastern Europe

28:00

and stuff like that and we need

28:02

to wake up. So if thats addressed

28:05

legislation, I think the American people are

28:07

going to hold a bind family accountable.

28:09

I don't need to do that, but

28:11

what's interesting about that is there's there's

28:13

no resentment. In you

28:16

toward the binds. It's toward China. Crap. It's

28:18

It's toward the people offering the bribes considerably

28:20

more than it is the people taking them.

28:23

And I think they have been on who's

28:25

unfairly treated. In end, the truth is Joe

28:27

Biden. And Hunter Biden and

28:29

the buying family came out. In. Twenty

28:32

Twenty. Or. Twenty nineteen when I

28:34

started seeing. you know, I'm a President

28:36

Trump, didn't you know? impeach for a

28:38

phone call on all that stuff? Really

28:40

don't want to weigh in on that.

28:43

But. I understood the corruption in

28:45

Ukraine of in Ukraine numerous times have

28:47

seen business transacted there and and since

28:49

I'm an interesting stuff to say the

28:52

least. If. They had just simply

28:54

come out with told the truth. Yes,

28:57

I've met with my son's business partners.

28:59

Maybe I crossed the line I didn't

29:01

understand, I was crossing it or I

29:03

did cross. It's out the and stuff

29:05

like that they told American people the

29:08

truth and twenty twenty I would simply

29:10

getting this information to the property people,

29:12

senators, congressmen, the deal jets and I

29:14

would have people would never heard my

29:16

name nor would they have needed to.

29:18

But when they were willing to lie

29:20

about all these facts that are insane

29:22

me Well documented not only by mean

29:24

by numerous business partners across large spans

29:26

of times. By. Own Department of Justice

29:28

and if somebody really wants exhaustive something

29:31

can sit down across connect all these

29:33

different data points and seats, Will that

29:35

text messages valid Because it stopped about

29:37

three different times and other communications and

29:39

so on? My i don't have animosity

29:42

towards the binds and yes they defrauded

29:44

me. Yes they stepped out the box.

29:46

This is about our country. we have

29:48

to protect ourselves against the Chinese com

29:51

is podium with the a woman to

29:53

do to become the global power. Ah

29:55

in supersede the United States of America.

29:57

You really become a China hawk. You've got.

30:00

From some but I didn't shine hog since

30:02

I left there in two thousand and twelve

30:04

hour based on the stuff I saw go

30:06

on there. I mean I would always where

30:08

there's different views on his own You? there's

30:10

there's like the in the Steve Bannon view

30:12

that China's trying to dominate all of us.

30:14

We asked they're they're engaged in irregular warfare

30:16

against us, we have to go full throttle

30:18

against them and the and and kind of

30:20

on the other and the continuum there's the

30:22

you on Musk view that to people of

30:25

China are wonderful, that he's bullish on China's

30:27

opportunities. and really if we draw China closer

30:29

to us than. They. Will be more like us.

30:32

I. Bought myself far closer

30:34

to the Steve Bannon ah, perspective

30:36

than the you on perspective because

30:39

as we've drawn China closer to

30:41

us, we've just become more like

30:43

them. We'll just see differentiate this.

30:46

Yes, there is a material difference

30:48

between the Chinese Communist Party in

30:50

the leadership and the Chinese people.

30:52

I had hundreds of Chinese people

30:55

working for me in mainland China,

30:57

Hong Kong and they were wonderful,

30:59

smart, hard working, caring people. But.

31:02

They were different than the Power

31:04

Center of the Chinese Communist Party.

31:07

Daves themselves complained about the Chinese

31:09

Communist Party in the power Centers

31:11

and that Ccp uses their power

31:14

of leverage over Chinese nationals on

31:16

our own soil and around the

31:19

world to gather information and stuff

31:21

like that. So, Elon Musk. What?

31:24

An amazing entrepreneur increases my guys.

31:26

I think he is differentiating between

31:28

effect of the the Chinese people

31:30

in the Chinese Communist Party, but

31:32

unfortunately the Chinese Communist Party gets

31:34

said Chinese people to do things

31:36

many of them probably don't wanna

31:38

do. but the power they hold

31:40

over their family, their jobs, their

31:42

livelihood is something that we're not

31:44

familiar with in this country. China's.

31:48

A colonial power right there. A modern

31:50

colonial power. They want to extract resources

31:52

from other places for their benefit. Another

31:54

going to get into this trial that

31:56

I'm I'm dying to get into. but

31:58

but I really enjoy the top. Analysis

32:00

of of what's going on in the world. I

32:02

think it educates people great deal and I think

32:04

a lot of American say okay will. China.

32:07

Seeks this bipolarity. You're right now.

32:09

arguably we live in a unipolar

32:11

world. China seeks bipolarity. And ah,

32:14

the oh, they. They.

32:17

Are going to try to crowd out

32:19

us influence in the world with the

32:21

One Belt One Road Initiative. Get people

32:23

more tied into their economic system, smelter

32:25

systems. Whatever. I see it differently. I

32:28

actually don't believe China's simply trying to

32:30

crowd out the United States. I think

32:32

they are trying to include the United

32:34

States in the Belt One Road Initiative

32:37

as a subservience power. That It's not

32:39

just they want deals elsewhere to feed

32:41

China's, they actually want deals in the

32:43

United States hundred percent seeding China and

32:46

and I. Think that's a misconception with

32:48

a lot of people, but you are

32:50

a frontline witness to China's efforts. Forget

32:52

the bags for a moment, China's efforts

32:55

to try to get deals inside the

32:57

United States. not for our benefit, but

32:59

for their benefit. And in does that's

33:02

just kind of shape how you think

33:04

about him. A: what would you add?

33:06

The just a regular person's understanding of

33:08

what China's real goals or what the

33:11

American people need to understand that. The

33:13

Chinese Communist Party, the Mss, the rental

33:15

agencies and stuff. Like that are

33:18

using capital. To. Infiltrate

33:20

our countries where a capitalistic

33:22

country. We. Feel sounded on

33:24

Free enterprise and trust and ability go out

33:26

make your dreams true and they're feeding into

33:28

that by using large amounts of capital. So

33:31

it's important that the here to resolve this

33:33

discussion and twenty twenty about ten million dollars

33:35

for sign on to ten million dollars was

33:37

insignificant That ten million dollars was to get

33:39

off the space other one hunter wanted to

33:42

take it all out and put in as

33:44

pigment day one which of pie the reason

33:46

why we went back and forth but. It's.

33:49

Directors and Sherman you were talking

33:51

about the point billions to potentially

33:54

tens of billions of Us dollars

33:56

in the United States in on

33:58

infrastructure projects, finance. Institutions I'm

34:00

if your readers are familiar, there's

34:03

a very successful investment bank called

34:05

Molson Company ten most The founder

34:07

that business is a multibillion dollar

34:09

enterprise. I sat down with him.

34:12

At. The roof top of the Peninsula Hotel And

34:14

Twenty twenty. In

34:16

a very serious discussion talking about

34:18

buying. Molson. Company A multibillion

34:21

dollar enterprise can most would have taken the time

34:23

to sit down with me if he didn't think

34:25

it was real. Fight. And

34:28

we were having those discussions because Csc

34:30

was looking at the pool. Large amounts

34:32

of money on her own shoes or

34:34

yes, it is scaled Really important here.

34:36

The ten million at that is like

34:38

a little sprinkle fun area that is

34:40

not the Bloody Miller equal. It's like

34:42

a new a dry and yeah drops

34:44

but but but do this orient the

34:46

listeners right now. What? Is

34:48

Cfc. Who. Is chairman you.

34:51

Who. Is directors egg in who is

34:53

Patrick? How only those for Cfc Zang

34:55

He holocaust So C S C at

34:58

It's Peak was a top five private

35:00

enterprise in mainland China, arm in the

35:02

energy business, but also in the financial

35:05

institution business and a variety of other

35:07

texts military stuff that they were doing.

35:09

but the primary core of it was

35:12

energy business around the world. And at

35:14

It's Peak as he was doing in

35:16

the forties, forty plus billion dollars of

35:18

revenue or on an annual basis, Germany

35:21

was. The chairman of that company and if

35:23

you look him up you'll notice that he's

35:25

a very stealth individual. People say it's does

35:28

not much known about him. Where did he

35:30

come from Worded Csc come from all the

35:32

sender on the global stage and you have

35:34

this Forbes forty under forty individual flying around

35:36

on an Airbus three hundred I believe and

35:39

when he touched down in a city he

35:41

would roll with an entourage Lake. City.

35:43

Twenty people deep of executive. So

35:46

Germany was executive or the chairman

35:48

of it who in march of

35:50

two thousand and eighteen disappeared. Hasn't.

35:53

Been seen since. People. Speculate whether

35:55

is dead or in a mud hole in mainland

35:57

China. so that's part of our story later. So

35:59

that's. Their money. Then. You have

36:01

Director Zang! There was a debate whether

36:03

is the number two and number three.

36:05

I believe based on my interaction and

36:07

knowledge that he was the senior most Chinese

36:10

Communist Party member. At Csc. I.

36:12

Was told he was sort of put in place

36:15

to keep an eye on chairman he a couple

36:17

of different times by people I would trust. And

36:20

he was the one flying around the

36:22

world striking deals on. There's a famous

36:25

picture of him with Put Them in

36:27

Budapest, Hungary in August Two Thousand and

36:29

Seventeen when they were in the middle

36:31

of the Rosneft deal. He's individual I

36:34

interacted with extensively up until the end

36:36

of July Two Thousand and Seventeen when

36:38

the biden stepped in and decided they

36:40

wanted to young take all the money

36:43

directly themselves. But Director saying interesting enough

36:45

was able to leave the United States

36:47

was never named in that trial that

36:49

we're. Going to talk about in the

36:51

Sd and why is named by witnesses

36:53

but he was never charged and is

36:55

visas were revoked in the summer of

36:57

two thousand and seventeen. So he's a

37:00

high level executive. He was the you

37:02

know, on the ground deal guy doing

37:04

business in your Africa, South America, all

37:06

over the world. And

37:08

then Patrick. Though I never met,

37:10

I've actually never heard of Patrick

37:12

Low until she was indicted. In.

37:15

November of twenty seventeen and this

37:17

House of Cards built by the

37:19

Chinese Communist Party called Cfc came

37:21

crumbling down on between Patrick Pose

37:24

indictments and chairman you disappearing and

37:26

or mud hole or jail in

37:28

college so very early may have

37:30

been laid cyber but early March

37:33

two thousand and eighteen so.yahoo that

37:35

tigers are very helpful Carsick! So

37:37

Cfc, this is the big Chinese

37:39

energy business investment conglomerates that is

37:41

gonna plowing the cash in theory.

37:44

Yes you. Ought to oneida this

37:46

business entity the one where we'd originally

37:48

contemplated I present for the head Idina

37:50

in our I you've done that extensively

37:53

on it at all on a lot

37:55

of things, but but just for for

37:57

those, Catch enough. Yeah, we get Oneida.

38:00

That up see of sees going to

38:02

plow the money and zang. Gets.

38:04

That shakedown text message cry from Hunter Biden

38:06

will throw that on the screen. say and

38:08

I'm sitting here with my father. You know

38:10

the start making the payments and then Patrick

38:13

House and when you haven't met but we're

38:15

gonna learn about him. How

38:17

is one of these executives whose

38:19

job it is to consummate the

38:21

bride? Or to make. The

38:24

government's official compromised and do

38:26

what's necessary and he ends

38:28

up running a foundation that

38:31

is funded entirely by Cfc.

38:33

Cracked. And this is not

38:35

unusual. By the way to Shell has

38:37

a foundation that they run. Exxon has

38:40

a foundation they run. Any foundations largely

38:42

exists to build good and to achieve

38:44

the goals of the company. But.

38:47

Here with China. Based on everything

38:49

we've been discussing leading up to

38:51

this point, you have described a

38:53

China that is trying to get

38:55

senior government officials, former government officials,

38:57

upcoming government officials compromised. And so

39:00

there is this trial that occurs

39:02

that you just referenced in New

39:04

York where Patrick Co. is accused

39:06

by the United States government of

39:08

facilitating these bribes And I wanna

39:10

read the opening statement in this

39:12

trial. So Dead. Too Much like

39:14

just to do you want peace.

39:16

I could. You just is a lot

39:19

for the American people. Listen you. I'd

39:21

encourage you to look at the What

39:23

Sap messages that matches referenced on July

39:26

Thirtieth, Two Thousand and Seventeen In July

39:28

Thirty first, Two Thousand and Seventeen. But

39:30

even more important, look at the one

39:33

on July Twenty Fifth, Two Thousand and

39:35

Seventeen It's a group discussions Aldo Night

39:37

A Holdings It was myself James Gill

39:40

your Rob Walker Hunter by New Gym

39:42

Biden And in that message Hunter says

39:44

I haven't spoken to either of. Them

39:47

meaning he hasn't spoken to director

39:49

saying or chairman me because he

39:51

was yielding to me to focus

39:53

on getting the ten million dollars

39:55

of capital into sign off holdings.

39:58

the capitalized the business. That's

40:00

July twenty Fifth where he says I hadn't spoken

40:02

any of them. Then. Five days. Later

40:05

on July thirtieth, he invokes his

40:07

father sitting next to him because

40:09

he knows he's broke. He

40:11

has all these payments due for his

40:14

alimony a variety of things on the

40:16

first of August and see and at

40:18

that time remember I didn't know he

40:20

was a drug addict or had these

40:22

issues. I'd no idea is to the

40:25

extent of the problems that he was

40:27

personally dealing with. ah and stuff like

40:29

that. But on the thirtieth he says

40:31

why I'm you Fulfilled the commitment. That.

40:34

Commit mean he's talking about his

40:36

Sino Hawk holdings. Day

40:38

then on the thirty first. All

40:40

the sudden his tone changes after

40:43

he had a discussion with Director

40:45

Zang. And. Arm

40:47

and Zao who was the interpreter for

40:49

Director Sang and of a sudden he's

40:51

now reshaping yet. Where. The

40:54

commitment to sign or holding isn't what

40:56

he's focused on. He's focusing on reshaping

40:58

the partnership to remove Oneida and put

41:00

his law firm a wasp go in.

41:02

As a fifty percent owner. Why was

41:05

he able to do that? It plays

41:07

into your focus. Matt: He was able

41:09

to do that because all Csc cared

41:11

about. Was. The Biden Family. In the

41:13

Biden name I was irrelevance. I was in

41:15

significance. I'd look Director saying in the face

41:18

numerous times. The first time I met him,

41:20

I told him listen, I believe you're going

41:22

to lie, cheat, steal, And he

41:24

laughed and said listen, we're very westernized.

41:26

We say we're going to do something,

41:28

we will do it nice and will.

41:30

That's not been my my arm track

41:33

record in my interaction being in China

41:35

and all that stuff. And so they

41:37

knew they had fully executed operating agreement

41:39

since I How holdings and they knew

41:41

they had liability to circumvent those agreements.

41:43

but they were willing to do that

41:45

at the end of July two thousand

41:47

seventeenth because all they wanted was the

41:49

buying family and the power in the

41:51

access information and why at that moment.

41:54

In time. Because. This is important to

41:56

this to the the trial you're gonna talk

41:58

about because it's it plays into. The acted

42:00

they meet they had me chase them for

42:02

two months. For this money we're getting to

42:04

it. We're getting to it, We're getting to

42:06

of while the send. Did. It

42:09

slow within ten days. While.

42:11

Hunter invokes his father. But more importantly,

42:14

the Chinese needed something. See.

42:16

I see was under the impression

42:18

there were sealed indictments. Of.

42:20

Didn't know who they thought. Possibly Patrick?

42:22

Whoa. possibly the chairman, possibly Director Sang

42:25

at the end of July. two thousand

42:27

and seventeen and they needed information and

42:29

access. and so they were wounded. Do

42:31

whatever the binds ask them to do.

42:34

I. Was in significant change Skill You was

42:37

insignificant. Rob walkers and that's what happens

42:39

and those what's that messages spell it

42:41

out in intimate details and are cross.

42:43

Could you can cross check on with

42:45

of right of information and so my

42:47

hat's off to I'm he owns Shapley

42:49

and Ziegler for it's be emboldened, proud

42:51

and fighting for the truth of the

42:54

American people coming out producing that information.

42:56

So sorry I just know it's very

42:58

helpful. Will get area import all that

43:00

on the screen and all that is

43:02

concepts because the fundamental essence of the

43:04

Biden defense. Here. Is. That this

43:06

wasn't a bribe with Cf seats. This

43:08

was legitimate business and they cast you

43:11

as just kind of a disgruntled business

43:13

guy who didn't get the right part

43:15

of the deal that you wanted when

43:17

reality. You were the

43:20

one being duped to be brought in

43:22

to look like this was legitimate business

43:24

because you're a legitimate businessman. But then

43:26

up the been around the legitimate business

43:28

and it's entity Oneida Holdings there were

43:30

getting the payments. It's it's so correct

43:32

or you describe it's the only reason

43:35

they were able to go around you.

43:37

The legitimate businessman is because this wasn't

43:39

legitimate business. So if the if the

43:41

core tenet of the by defenses this

43:43

is all legitimate business. That's what you

43:45

made the point at the hearings. People

43:47

need to know the truth. about c

43:49

e f c and what they're doing and

43:51

so what i'm and how come no deal

43:54

was ever done how come with sign on

43:56

there wasn't a deal done i don't mean

43:58

the ten million dollars i mean actual

44:00

transaction where we invested hundreds of millions or

44:02

billions of dollars. I had a detailed deal

44:04

where we were going to invest $300 to

44:06

$500 million in Romania. It

44:09

didn't happen. Biden's claimed they

44:11

worked for two years to present all these deals.

44:13

How come none of the deals happened? You're

44:16

going to get to it because you're going

44:18

to focus on this trial. And that's the

44:20

same way they operated in Chad and Uganda

44:22

because they needed things. So they came with

44:24

their capital. They claimed they were going to

44:26

do things. When they got what they needed,

44:28

they sort of then just rode

44:31

off and moved on to the next

44:33

thing. And what they needed at the

44:35

end of July 2017 is they needed

44:37

intel and details about those sealed indictments

44:39

of CFC executives and what it meant

44:41

to their companies. So key on that.

44:43

And we also want to put up

44:46

on the screen here the Devin Archer

44:48

messages with Hunter Biden, where he's saying,

44:50

well, gee, Hunter, we're, in

44:52

essence, we're telling the Chinese we

44:54

can protect them from indictments. And

44:56

here I am, Devin Archer, getting

44:58

indicted. It sort of limits

45:01

our ability to be able to sell that protection.

45:04

But here is the opening statement in

45:07

the government's allegations against CEFC.

45:10

This is a case about greed and corruption, about

45:13

more than $2 million in bribes,

45:16

cash hidden in gift boxes,

45:18

international wire transfers, and

45:20

promises of future riches. Profits

45:23

offered and paid by the defendant, that

45:25

man, Patrick Ho, offered and paid to

45:27

the leaders of two African nations, all

45:30

done in an effort to corruptly obtain

45:32

business for a multi-billion dollar Chinese oil

45:34

company. During this trial, you will hear

45:37

about two bribery schemes that were global,

45:39

but each began right here in New York. The

45:42

first scheme involved the Republic of Chad,

45:44

a country in Africa. The defendant and

45:46

his business associates offered $2 million in

45:48

cash to the top public official in

45:50

Chad, the president. They

45:53

concealed the cash in gift boxes,

45:55

and they offered this bribe in an effort

45:58

to obtain valuable oil rights. The

46:00

second scheme was similar but involved the Republic

46:02

of Uganda, another country in Africa. The

46:05

defendant and his associates sought to bribe

46:07

two of the top officials in Uganda,

46:10

the president and the foreign minister. The

46:12

defendant schemes to pay them millions of

46:14

dollars in cash and wire transfers, along

46:17

with offering them a cut of future

46:19

profits. Again, all in an

46:21

effort to obtain business for the Chinese

46:23

oil company. How was the

46:25

defendant able to get access to such high-ranking

46:27

officials? In both of these schemes, he took

46:29

advantage of the fact that he ran a

46:31

nonprofit organization, which was fully funded by

46:34

the oil company. This position gave

46:36

him access to some of the most

46:38

powerful leaders around the globe, including at

46:41

the United Nations right here in

46:43

Manhattan. He also held meetings here in New

46:45

York and he wired money through banks

46:47

here in New York. But

46:49

you'll learn that while the defendant led

46:52

a nonprofit, what drove him to Chad

46:54

and Uganda was money, business.

46:56

You see, the oil company already had

46:58

operations in Asia and Europe, but they

47:00

were looking to expand into the African

47:02

market. But the defendant and his associates

47:04

didn't want to take time to win

47:06

business the right way, in a competitive

47:08

role. After all, someone else might

47:10

get that deal. So they

47:12

cheated. They decided to offer bribes

47:15

to gain an unfair advantage, and

47:17

the defendant used his nonprofit organization

47:20

to make it look like those

47:22

bribes were something else, something

47:24

legitimate. But as the evidence

47:27

will show, those payments weren't charitable

47:29

donations. They weren't political contributions. They

47:31

were bribes, money offered to the

47:33

top officials in Chad and Uganda

47:35

in exchange for business. What

47:38

the defendant did wasn't just wrong. It

47:41

wasn't business as usual. It was

47:43

corrupt and it was criminal, and that is why we

47:45

are here today. Ladies and gentlemen, this opening statement is

47:48

the government's opportunity to give you an overview of the

47:50

evidence we're going to show you in this case. First,

47:53

I'm going to talk about what the evidence

47:55

is going to show. Second, I'm going to

47:58

talk about the different types of evidence that

48:00

you're going to see in this case. Third,

48:02

I'll give you a brief overview of the

48:04

charges. So what will the evidence show? You'll

48:06

learn that the defendant is a citizen of

48:08

China, and during this scheme, he was working

48:11

on behalf of a multi-billion dollar Chinese company

48:13

called CEFC China Energy, or just CEFC for

48:15

short. The company is headquartered

48:17

in Shanghai, China, with operations and offices

48:19

around the world. It's a massive company

48:21

engaged in primarily the oil business and

48:23

banking, as well as many other things.

48:26

Now, while the defendant worked on behalf

48:28

of this massive company, he did so

48:30

carefully, indirectly. You'll learn that the defendant

48:32

wasn't at least on paper an employee

48:34

of the oil company. Instead, he was

48:36

the secretary general of a not-profit organization,

48:39

or NGO, that the oil company funded.

48:41

In fact, a nonprofit NGO also went

48:43

by the same abbreviation as the energy

48:45

company CEFC. Running

48:47

an NGO allowed the defendant

48:49

to pass himself off as a humanitarian,

48:51

a man solely interested in promoting causes

48:54

like sustainable development, energy security, and clean

48:56

water. In those positions

48:58

at the NGO existed, the defendant

49:00

gained access to powerful leaders across

49:02

the globe, and that access was

49:04

brokered in many cases right here

49:06

in Manhattan. His NGO participated

49:09

in official United Nations events. It

49:11

looked impressive. But behind

49:13

closed doors, the defendant was focused

49:15

on business. Business for CEFC, the

49:17

multi-billion dollar oil company that funded

49:20

his NGO. He used his

49:22

NGO to gain access to world leaders who

49:24

could benefit the oil company's business, and he

49:26

used the cover of the NGO to

49:29

pay bribes, where it felt necessary

49:31

to get the job done. Bribes

49:34

for business, this for that.

49:37

You'll see he carried out the same plan in

49:39

both Chad and Uganda. The defendant wanted to break

49:41

into the African market, so he threw money at

49:43

top leaders in both countries and

49:46

Uganda. The scheme resulted in business

49:48

being directed to the defendant and

49:50

CEFC. In Chad, however, the scheme

49:52

backfired. The president rejected the

49:54

bribe and was furious about it. But as you'll

49:56

learn, The law makes it a

49:58

crime to offer. Or a bride

50:01

whether or not before an official accepts

50:03

it, and whether or not the bribe

50:05

successfully leads to any business or profits.

50:08

And. You'll see overwhelming evidence that the

50:10

defendant did exactly that he schemes and

50:13

conspired to corrupt officials decision making in

50:15

Chat and Uganda. He offered millions of

50:17

dollars in bribes and he did so

50:20

in an effort to gain business. Now.

50:23

I'd like to talk about the scheme in

50:25

greater detail. The scheme began in the fall

50:27

twenty fourteen when the defendant is businesses you

50:30

saw oil projects in Chat at the time

50:32

Cfc at operations in Asia and Europe but

50:34

had not yet established themselves in Africa. To

50:36

change this to defend it wanted to go

50:39

straight to the top to engage directly with

50:41

the President of Chat, but the defended didn't

50:43

know the President so he sought out someone

50:45

who did. A man named.

50:48

She's. Geico, Geico,

50:51

Was a former foreign minister in Senegal.

50:53

A country in West Africa. Geico,

50:56

Was connected summers powerful officials in Africa, including

50:58

the present of chats. The senate paid guide

51:00

oh to introduce him to the president. You'll.

51:03

Learn the defendant first met with Guy though

51:05

right here in Manhattan steps from United Nations

51:07

falling as being the defendant reported back to

51:09

his boss, the chairman of the multi billion

51:11

dollar oil companies that she had set in

51:14

motion. A plants receive special attention and support

51:16

from the present of Chat. A

51:18

couple of weeks later, november twenty fourteenth, the

51:20

defendant flew to chat with other representatives from

51:23

the Cfc oil Company on was Geico. They

51:25

met with the President and the president was

51:27

receptive. He presented the defendant

51:30

and Cfc with an opportunity to

51:32

access to obtain extremely valuable oil

51:34

fields. But the first meeting. They.

51:36

Didn't go into details like how much

51:39

Cfc would pay to achieve those rights.

51:41

All. The defendant new is it the President

51:44

would make the final decision on whether or

51:46

not Cfc. Would. Sell those rights and

51:48

at what price? That. A

51:50

senate was eager to seal the

51:52

deal. So through Geico, He.

51:54

Represented. That. they would set up

51:56

a second meeting and chat almost immediately on the heels

51:58

of the first meeting Guido thought this

52:01

was a bad idea. It was too soon. CFC

52:03

had not done the work yet to figure out

52:05

the price it would offer for the oil, but

52:08

the defendant insisted on the second meeting right away.

52:10

Why? The defendant wanted the second meeting so badly

52:12

they wanted to get in front of the president

52:14

in person before any negotiation on the price had

52:17

taken place because the plan was

52:19

to bribe the president to throw money at

52:21

him to make sure the negotiation went the

52:23

way the defendant wanted it to go. You

52:26

see during the second meeting with the president

52:28

of Chad, the defendant and his associate presented

52:30

the president with several gift

52:32

boxes, but they didn't just

52:35

contain gifts. Hidden inside

52:37

was two million dollars in

52:39

cash. Money for

52:41

an oil deal, this for

52:43

that. You'll learn

52:45

however the defendant had their corrupt plan backfire.

52:47

The president of Chad saw this as a

52:50

blatant attempt to bribe him. He was furious.

52:52

He confronted the defendant and the other oil

52:54

company representatives. He demanded to know

52:57

why they had tried to bribe him and pay him off. After

53:00

the president spoke to first person to respond to

53:02

the defendant, replied and said, no

53:05

denial. Instead they said

53:07

the president was mistaken or misunderstood.

53:09

The defendant was simply, the defendant

53:11

was impressed by the president's reaction.

53:15

The defendant and his associates then spoke quickly

53:17

and privately. They came up with a

53:19

solution. They convinced the president to keep

53:21

the money and they would

53:24

wire him a letter saying that the two million

53:26

dollars in cash was really just a charitable donation

53:28

and they did just that. You'll learn that after

53:30

leaving Chad, the defendant did a draft short letter

53:32

to the president saying the oil company wished to

53:35

make the two million dollar donation for

53:37

which the president would use something

53:39

at his personal disposal. But

53:41

along with that letter, the defendant worked on a

53:44

second document that was included in the letter, an

53:46

agreement between the oil company and the government of

53:48

Chad that said the Chadian government would support the

53:50

oil company in obtaining the oil rights in Chad.

53:53

Because Call it a donation or not,

53:55

the defendant was focused on business. If

53:58

he could get the business. By

54:00

labeling secret cash in a box as

54:02

a donation. That was just fine. Let's

54:06

talk about how the defense second

54:08

bribery scheme worked. This involves Uganda.

54:10

He played much the same game. Just.

54:13

Was different players. This.

54:15

Time He didn't offer just one bride.

54:18

He. Offered multiple bribes to to high level

54:20

officials in Uganda. the Foreign minister in the

54:22

President still hundred and twenty fourteen and twenty

54:24

fifteen to defend using his status as the

54:26

head of a nonprofit and jokes. Met multiple

54:29

times in New York with the former Foreign

54:31

Minister of Uganda at the time. the for

54:33

Mr was serving. A. One year

54:35

term as one of the highest ranking officials

54:38

at the United Nations, the President of the

54:40

General Assembly, and during these private meetings they

54:42

discussed ways to connect the defendant and his

54:44

associates with the oil companies to the President

54:46

of Uganda. As. It happened to present

54:48

have you got it was the for Ministers brother in law.

54:51

And the foreign minister promised that could

54:53

easily bring the two sides together To

54:55

the descended developed a relationship with the

54:57

foreign minister. And. Public that said

54:59

it appeared with him at you and

55:01

events gave speeches, talked about losses, humanitarian

55:03

goals, but in private the defendant was

55:05

focused on how the Foreign minister could

55:07

open doors for Cf seats to pursue

55:09

all sorts of business in Uganda. And

55:11

late twenty fifteen the foreign ministers term

55:14

as United Nations ended he returned was

55:16

powerful position in Uganda. And.

55:18

At that point all the groundwork had been laid. The

55:21

for Mr was right out. The defendant

55:23

and the does that send it was

55:25

more than willing to pay up the

55:27

for miss or reached out to the

55:30

senate. He requested a contribution or donations

55:32

for a so called foundation the foreign

55:34

minister wanted to launch and he provided

55:36

the account information for international wire transfer.

55:38

The defendant eagerly responded that he was

55:40

ready to renew their commitment and agreement.

55:43

But. You'll see that this talk about of

55:45

the nation was all winks and nods. The

55:47

defendant didn't ask anything about what the foundation

55:49

or would do, They didn't talk about that.

55:51

As far as the to fit it was

55:54

concerned all that mattered. Was. At

55:56

the foreign minister wanted to get paid but

55:58

before he paid up. The defend

56:00

it made crystal clear that he wanted

56:02

something In exchange the defendant demanded an

56:04

invitation to the inauguration. The president of

56:06

Uganda who had just been reelected an

56:08

email after email to defend it demanded

56:10

meetings with the president and other top

56:13

you gotta and officials insisted that before

56:15

traveling to Uganda the foreign minister provide

56:17

him with a list of specific projects

56:19

that C E F C could participate

56:21

in and when he got the invitation

56:23

to the inauguration and received assurances that

56:25

he would get access is needed he

56:27

got and officials who had steer business.

56:29

the Cfc. The defendant was ready to

56:31

pay up. He wired half a million dollars the

56:34

counter The foreign minister. But. Crop

56:36

scheme didn't stop with the for Mr

56:38

to defend it. Also scheme to bribe

56:40

the President of Uganda, the foreign ministers

56:42

brother in law. The. Defended suggested to

56:44

his boss the Chairman's the oil company. That

56:47

the money be provided in cash. As.

56:50

A suppose donation to the President's reelection

56:52

campaigns. Of course, the President just been

56:54

reelected dismayed. No sense. But. It

56:56

didn't matter to the defendant business mattered.

56:59

So. Is about to board the Plane de

57:01

Cada. The defend told the foreign minister that

57:03

he needed special assistance with customs in Uganda.

57:06

Because. They were bringing some quote very

57:08

nice gifts for your president. What?

57:11

Did the defendant and Cfc wanted exchange

57:13

for the money? As I said, it

57:15

was simple business business for Ctf seats.

57:17

After wired half a million dollars and

57:19

landing in Uganda with those very gives,

57:21

the defended and his associates met with

57:23

the President, the Ford minister and other

57:25

you gotta officials. They got the inside

57:27

track on a variety of profitable business

57:29

opportunities. The defendant reported back to his

57:31

boss had C E F c that

57:33

the visit and the discussions were successful.

57:35

That the President was likely to be

57:37

a highly supportive of cooperating with See

57:39

of seats and fields. Like energy infrastructure

57:41

fight as agriculture and tourism. The president

57:43

even agree to carve out a large

57:46

piece near of land your leg victoria

57:48

for the oil companies to develop a

57:50

high end tourist resort. Shortly.

57:52

After the trip to Uganda that it's in

57:54

a got back in touch with the For

57:56

mister he said that Cfc had decided that

57:58

their first priority. Would be. Require you

58:00

got it Bank But event a promise

58:02

to Foreign minister the present to be

58:04

partners an adventure so that C E

58:06

F C profited, those officials would be

58:08

able to line their pockets to. And.

58:11

Sure enough, a few months later the for

58:13

Mr. Learned of you Gotta Bags that was

58:15

looking to be acquired. And. Who

58:17

did he bring this opportunity to

58:19

the descendants and Cfc? This.

58:22

For that. That. Is a

58:24

summary. Of what happened. This.

58:27

Is the partial opening statement of

58:29

not. Republicans. In

58:31

Congress. But. The actual United

58:33

States Government. So we're supposed to believe

58:36

that that Cf seats which by the

58:38

way, Patrick Cote gets convicted on six

58:40

of seven counts, get sentenced to three

58:42

years in prison based on those allegations

58:44

and those charges. Joel Valdez executive producer

58:47

Firebrand, your take on the government's opening

58:49

statement. I can't wait to watch the

58:51

Netflix series on this if they even

58:53

come forward with this, but that was

58:55

insane it. usually. you know some of

58:58

these. I'm. Silly. That if

59:00

elected democrats in Congress wants you to believe that

59:02

this is you know all the this hunters. just

59:04

such a great business man. but. These. Deals

59:06

that he's doing with these people seem to

59:08

just be clearly corrupt. And. I

59:11

think they laid it out for you on

59:13

the skin will and what's interesting is the

59:15

pattern recognition. If you heard me going through

59:17

that you can actually start to think about

59:19

who plays what role here. And so as

59:21

this trial goes on, attorney and and you're

59:23

the one who was pounding the table on

59:25

this in the congressional testimony we learn of

59:28

the Serbian Die. The Serbian guy tell us

59:30

about his would just real comfort or his

59:32

jaw hits is. So you just did a

59:34

phenomenal job reading what our own Department of

59:36

Justice. Opened. A seven

59:38

day I think that each day

59:40

was you know that finalizing was

59:42

a jury trial in the S

59:45

D N Y and notice because

59:47

other love you didn't have used

59:49

the prosecutors. Why didn't they named

59:51

Chairman Me? Why didn't they named

59:53

Director Zang And why were they

59:55

so shy about naming Csc and

59:57

the indictments and their trial. Patrick.

1:00:00

How was working At behest of all

1:00:02

of them Director same of the plane

1:00:05

that left Hong Kong to fly with

1:00:07

the two million dollars a gift that

1:00:09

of boxes. Director.

1:00:11

Zang was the C or C of see

1:00:13

Official net, the same director saying that one

1:00:16

Hunter Biden was shaking down on July thirtieth,

1:00:18

two thousand and seventeen demanding that they flynn

1:00:20

ten million dollars and then ultimately on the

1:00:23

Thirty first as a bind families. So there's

1:00:25

a saying. Walks. Like a duck

1:00:27

talks like a duck. It's. Probably.

1:00:30

A.get this is clacking a lot like a

1:00:32

bra and the evolution of you. Look at

1:00:34

the fact pattern with the bidens. It's.

1:00:37

Exactly the same sacked pattern as Uganda

1:00:39

in Chad and those are just with

1:00:41

the Sd. A wide talked about. See.

1:00:43

A was doing this all over the world.

1:00:45

Yeah well this is just where they a

1:00:48

sufficient enter A Sticks Your next is as

1:00:50

a New York backyards as a New York

1:00:52

Meetings But what's interesting is the you've gotta

1:00:54

look at the common threads you're into our

1:00:56

listeners. This will repeated. Again, In

1:00:58

some other Chinese enterprise. certain to repeat. But

1:01:00

first you have what what has to look

1:01:02

like a legitimate seeing them and so that's

1:01:04

where hose there to see all this is

1:01:06

just our international sustainable development work and clean

1:01:09

water. But don't you see you words a

1:01:11

legitimate thing. they need somebody to be out

1:01:13

there to make the bride payment. It's really

1:01:15

going on under the table look legitimate soon

1:01:17

a lot of ways. how does this for

1:01:19

the company but he couldn't have whole run

1:01:22

around anywhere in the attic the kind of

1:01:24

knew he was in trouble for this Africa

1:01:26

stuff. so they go get. Him a Bob

1:01:28

Alinsky to say Okay, we got something to make

1:01:30

this look legitimate and that's when the real dirty

1:01:32

stuff starts. So there's a psycho hear that that

1:01:35

I was able to track. First.

1:01:38

Cfc. Needs the connectors. Then.

1:01:40

They need the introductions. Than. They

1:01:43

need the bribes then they need to deal.

1:01:45

So in this trial we we get introduced

1:01:47

to the first can and and by the

1:01:49

way Hunter right. Connect. Gilly are

1:01:51

connector right Then they get to the

1:01:53

infant the or that the government people

1:01:55

the bidens than the bribes than than

1:01:57

the payoff. Jeremy.

1:02:00

Who's Jeremic? So what your make

1:02:02

is a Serbian national who was

1:02:04

the a President of the General

1:02:06

Assembly The Un General Assembly I

1:02:08

believe he was there. Two.

1:02:10

Thousand and Twelve you serve in a

1:02:12

one year capacity and that's where he

1:02:14

met Patrick Cove To that relationships and

1:02:17

they developed and then when he lasts,

1:02:19

when full Germek left or he was

1:02:21

actually a paid adviser to see a

1:02:23

seat for multiple years, he was good.

1:02:25

I think only of those, I wait

1:02:27

a second, a major make might have

1:02:29

gotten paid millions of dollars across his

1:02:31

total cost of the so rude. Jeremic

1:02:33

is the President of the Un General

1:02:35

Assembly, and in that role you got

1:02:37

a lot of relationships with all the

1:02:39

foreign ministers. The. Key powerful players on

1:02:41

all over the world and he rolls

1:02:43

out of that job and he actually

1:02:45

weaves the job because his government's in

1:02:48

Serbia gets thrown out of power so

1:02:50

you can't be the representative of your

1:02:52

government would your government gets Sarah power?

1:02:54

He loses that and what what immediately

1:02:56

happens. Powerful, Man powerful position,

1:02:58

right out of power. The Chinese see

1:03:00

the opportunity. They scoop him up. He

1:03:02

starts getting hundreds of thousands, maybe millions

1:03:04

of dollars from China immediately as a

1:03:06

connector upon that role. And then who

1:03:09

does what what Cfc saying at this

1:03:11

time? Patrick? Oh since we gotta get

1:03:13

these African deals and chat in Uganda

1:03:15

so they go to the zoo or

1:03:17

Jeremic and they say well you're a

1:03:19

Serbian guys We have this position as

1:03:21

the President of Un General Assembly to

1:03:23

who can you connect us with in

1:03:26

Africa. And. That's where we meet.

1:03:28

Gaudio. Am I saying that right?

1:03:30

Yeah, I think it's gaudio in the interesting

1:03:32

thing here in which is powerful for the

1:03:34

American people is yet to understand the way.

1:03:37

Intel. Or sort of operations

1:03:39

work. Because Book Germek was witness number

1:03:41

one for the United States government A

1:03:43

D O J, they didn't accuse him

1:03:45

of any wrongdoing he showed up in,

1:03:47

was happy to testify. It's I seen.

1:03:50

At his peak, he might have been getting

1:03:52

paid a million dollars years under a Csc

1:03:54

contract. I'd have to go back and check

1:03:56

that, but notice that because ever was like, well,

1:03:58

why wouldn't Patrick hold know. what

1:04:00

Chairman Yee's agenda was. Well Chairman Yee

1:04:03

didn't tell Patrick Hoe probably all of

1:04:05

his agenda, nor did Director Zang, nor

1:04:07

so Vook Jeremy was simply a connector

1:04:10

and obviously leaving the you know president of the

1:04:12

UN General Assembly he knew the leaders of all

1:04:14

the countries around the world and could get to

1:04:16

any of them and so they

1:04:18

were happy CFC they were happy to

1:04:20

engage him and pay him large sums

1:04:22

of money to just simply make introductions

1:04:24

and then Vook would you know leave

1:04:26

the room and go on with his

1:04:28

other stuff. I think a lot of

1:04:31

people don't know that that that is

1:04:33

a cottage industry that exists people that

1:04:35

get paid millions of dollars just to

1:04:37

make these connections. So Vook Jeremy creates

1:04:39

this meeting with Gadio. Gadio is the

1:04:41

former foreign minister of Senegal oh

1:04:43

and by the way former president

1:04:45

of the UN General Assembly how

1:04:47

interesting how that works right and

1:04:50

then how does Gadio then become an asset

1:04:53

essentially of the Chinese in this deal.

1:04:55

Well so he had

1:04:57

the relationship originally with the

1:05:00

president of Chad not just a

1:05:02

relationship but close friendship apparently and

1:05:04

so Vook engaged them to set

1:05:06

up that meeting originally with Patrick

1:05:08

Hoe. My understanding is the original

1:05:10

meetings were in New York around

1:05:12

the UN stuff and then ultimately

1:05:14

they did on-site meetings in Chad where

1:05:17

you know those gift boxes were exchanged

1:05:19

and stuff like that but it's just

1:05:21

a serial of leveraging powerful

1:05:23

political people using capital to do that

1:05:25

getting in the room with the bright

1:05:27

people and then you know CFC remember CFC

1:05:29

in the first meeting wouldn't tell you

1:05:31

their agenda because if they actually told

1:05:33

you their true agenda you would get

1:05:35

up and walk out of the room right.

1:05:39

Vook Jeremy cuz simply oh I can get you a

1:05:41

meeting with him you're paying. So he

1:05:43

sets him up he helps the government

1:05:45

but he's getting a meeting with another

1:05:47

guy getting a meeting this Gadio guy.

1:05:50

So he's an African from Senegal I

1:05:52

think he knew Jeremy they'd both gone

1:05:54

to Harvard together and so Gadio shows

1:05:56

up and says okay I will I

1:05:58

will connect CEFC. with people

1:06:00

in government. Doesn't it

1:06:03

doesn't Gaddio essentially play the role of the

1:06:05

Biden president in the country? Yeah, but isn't

1:06:07

he the archetype? Yeah, and

1:06:09

what we haven't talked about is

1:06:11

Vuk Jermak had a very, very

1:06:13

close relationship with Hunter Biden and

1:06:15

the Biden family. And that's actually

1:06:18

talked about in the fall of

1:06:20

2015 when CFC started making their

1:06:22

approach to the Biden family, which

1:06:24

started in October 2015. So Vuk

1:06:26

Jermak's not only involved in that,

1:06:28

but also a very close relationship.

1:06:30

Going back to those WhatsApp messages,

1:06:32

your listeners can go and see

1:06:34

that on July 31st, in

1:06:37

between shaking down Director Zhang for

1:06:39

the money, and then a phone call,

1:06:41

Vuk Jermak reaches out to Hunter Biden

1:06:43

and Hunter responds saying, Hey, I'm on

1:06:45

with the director, I'll call you after.

1:06:48

So all these people are intertwined.

1:06:50

And I believe under national security,

1:06:52

there's something much bigger out there

1:06:54

that we haven't been fully educated

1:06:56

on on what was going on.

1:06:58

And you can see it. Why

1:07:00

didn't the SDNY name CFC Chairman

1:07:02

Ian Director Zhang? Why was Charles

1:07:05

McGonagall, the head of counter intelligence

1:07:07

of the FBI, a 25 career

1:07:09

veteran of the FBI, was right in the middle

1:07:11

of all of this in July of 2017 and

1:07:14

2018. So I believe there's

1:07:16

a lot more that our

1:07:18

intel agencies and the Department of Justice know

1:07:21

about all these parts, as well as the

1:07:23

Biden family's involvement that the American people haven't

1:07:25

quite yet been educated on. The

1:07:27

UN doesn't come out smelling like

1:07:30

a rose on this, do they? And when

1:07:32

it looks like someone from one of these

1:07:34

third world countries gets a major position of

1:07:36

power, which is kind of the last thing

1:07:38

that happens before you get some major consultant

1:07:40

contract from the Chinese. And as

1:07:42

Gadio describes it, he says, well, you know,

1:07:44

I said, I'd get them with the president

1:07:46

of Chad, I show up, I don't know

1:07:48

that this $2 million in cash in a

1:07:50

box is going to be presented. It gets

1:07:53

presented. Gadio says, I should have

1:07:55

known better. I should have walked away. I

1:07:57

knew it was a bribe. I stayed involved In

1:07:59

The Conspiracy. C He gets a non

1:08:01

prosecution agreements in order to testify against

1:08:03

Patch or Co. who's who's the target

1:08:05

here. But but what it's important for

1:08:08

people to see is when the Chinese

1:08:10

are trying to do one of these

1:08:12

corrupt deals. They. They

1:08:14

absolutely have to have the

1:08:16

folks to have to really

1:08:19

lubricate that bribe and in

1:08:21

in this trial. You. See

1:08:23

exactly what Hunter Biden was doing

1:08:25

in the United States reflected in

1:08:27

the conduct of people who are

1:08:29

getting charged with crimes. Correct, correct

1:08:31

and go back And looked. It

1:08:33

wasn't just Book Jeremic, it was

1:08:35

the subsequent to Presidents of the

1:08:38

you know General Assembly after vulgar

1:08:40

Make it was John Ash. Who.

1:08:42

Was also charged and a Chinese national

1:08:44

went to jail for corruption and stuff

1:08:47

like that. Then when John Ash last

1:08:49

there was an individual named Sam to

1:08:51

Tessa which had to do as the

1:08:53

you done to stars armed so they

1:08:56

just three consecutive. I don't know if

1:08:58

they did pre or post that but

1:09:00

it's publicly well documented. Three Presidents of

1:09:02

the Un General Assembly were intertwined with

1:09:05

Css business around the world and acting

1:09:07

as connectors are being on the receiving

1:09:09

end of millions of dollars of from

1:09:11

Cfc. So. Chinese Communist Party. It is

1:09:14

laid bare what the true business model

1:09:16

of Cfcs threatened and and by extension

1:09:18

China really, that the true business model

1:09:21

is to get these deals by not

1:09:23

playing fair and so And that marionette

1:09:25

that's not you saying it. Has

1:09:27

taught me. So it's it's not

1:09:29

the Republican Party or Chairman Comber

1:09:32

German Jordan that is the Department

1:09:34

of Justice and the Prosecutors in

1:09:36

the Sdn. Why? Some. Would

1:09:38

say that sought the toughest, the most

1:09:40

renowned you know district in the whole

1:09:42

country. I'd love to see them interviewed

1:09:45

on Csc and weighing in in front

1:09:47

of Congress. And to some I'd say

1:09:49

okay it's one thing if it's Africa

1:09:51

exotic place, maybe you gotta pay bribes

1:09:53

as but we actually saw this reflected

1:09:56

in North America as well with Pemex

1:09:58

and Mexico. That. Comes out. The

1:10:00

trial as well as we see

1:10:02

in the transcripts some of the

1:10:04

very players involved in these bribes

1:10:06

and Africa are are wadden up

1:10:08

with people around Biden world or

1:10:10

with people around Cfc world. They

1:10:12

wanted to acquire Pemex which is

1:10:14

the major Mexican a producer of

1:10:16

petrol. What does that tell us

1:10:18

about Cfc will that their tentacles

1:10:21

were everywhere. Remember in Romania that

1:10:23

I was heavily involved in Csc

1:10:25

was willing are looking at the

1:10:27

point three to five hundred million

1:10:29

dollars of capital. Into buying

1:10:31

down the majority ownership of Gabriel

1:10:33

Popovich in his company in Romania

1:10:35

to help pretend see with would

1:10:38

he was doing with in Pemex.

1:10:40

there was discussions book Jeremic I

1:10:42

believe. Went to Harvard with the

1:10:44

Ceo of Pemex. And. The

1:10:46

Vote: Germek set up a meeting we're not

1:10:49

only see a C was part of the

1:10:51

discussions but Burris Ma. The. Ukrainian energy

1:10:53

company that advices become world famous that

1:10:55

Hunter and Devon said on the board

1:10:57

on was sitting at the table as

1:11:00

well. So these chemicals this one belt

1:11:02

one road as see a C had

1:11:04

all over the world at your extensive

1:11:06

negotiating tables data and I want to

1:11:09

for a moment zero in on Chad

1:11:11

and how it played out in this

1:11:13

trial and or there's there's a part

1:11:15

of the of the testimony of gotta

1:11:18

go with are talking about why Chad

1:11:20

mattered and and how the business. Business

1:11:23

works So so here's the government's question

1:11:25

and what Vuk Jeremic say to you.

1:11:28

With respect to the defendant in here they're talking

1:11:30

about as Chad and the question as to Geico.

1:11:32

He. Told me about one of his friends

1:11:34

in China who's doing a lot of work

1:11:36

with the United Nations, the United Nations Economic

1:11:39

and Social Organizations. He also told me that

1:11:41

it works with an oil company called Cf

1:11:43

Seat. China. Energy. Fund

1:11:45

Company. He said you should

1:11:47

meet him because he's a good friend of

1:11:50

ours. Number one, Number two, you know very

1:11:52

powerful company in China. They're interested in oil

1:11:54

and Africa and he himself is interested in

1:11:56

helping to be introduced. To. Chat

1:11:58

the Central Africa. We can republic whole

1:12:01

chat. Okay and did Mr.

1:12:03

German say anything to you with respect

1:12:05

to with the defendant or companies interests

1:12:07

were in Chad? I think the main

1:12:09

introduction had to be made First and

1:12:11

later we discuss the fact that Cfc

1:12:13

could also provide a Chad. You know.

1:12:16

With. Other areas of interest

1:12:18

such as infrastructure. Banking.

1:12:20

System. Military. Equipment.

1:12:23

And. Other things like that. So I wanted a

1:12:25

point to this in the trial because if you're

1:12:28

watching all this and the full, some of it

1:12:30

is. Which. Billionaires and what

1:12:32

part of the world's are gonna read

1:12:34

some extra benefit. It goes a lot

1:12:37

cheaper than that because once these bribes

1:12:39

are made and once the hook to

1:12:41

the Chinese com his party or in

1:12:43

these countries it's not just the energy,

1:12:45

it's the financial systems. it is the

1:12:48

military system and all the sudden this

1:12:50

becomes a pretty pretty broad reaching will.

1:12:52

A key point in that is Remember

1:12:54

and of the prosecutors outline this in

1:12:57

there was the state owned. Chinese.

1:12:59

Energy company that had been penalised

1:13:02

with a one point two billion

1:13:04

dollars penalty by the government of

1:13:06

Chad it was existing When see

1:13:08

a see all the Sudden has

1:13:11

an interest in Chad and their

1:13:13

energy. Case. That was

1:13:15

done before see A was going to

1:13:17

be the masthead. That yes. Then all

1:13:19

of a sudden. Vote

1:13:22

makes an introduction, Gaudio makes an

1:13:24

introduction with the President's and then

1:13:26

weirdly enough that one point two

1:13:28

billion dollar penalty becomes a four

1:13:30

hundred million dollar penalty and then

1:13:33

some equity ownership of that they

1:13:35

structured while they were doing this.

1:13:37

I believe if you read between

1:13:39

the lines and you axes could

1:13:41

interview more people see a season

1:13:43

Gender in going in the Chad

1:13:46

was the actually helps the Chinese

1:13:48

state owned energy company either removed

1:13:50

that penalty. or get it reduced like i

1:13:52

said it went from one point two billion four

1:13:54

hundred million and then a slice of equity in

1:13:57

it's and then all of a sudden see a

1:13:59

c wasn't really that

1:14:01

interested in doing a lot of deals.

1:14:03

They never did a deal in Chad, but

1:14:06

when they reached out, they were hot

1:14:08

and heavy. They brought $2 million. Now,

1:14:11

remember, Patrick Cole was not on the

1:14:13

private jet that flew to Chad, is

1:14:15

my understanding. It was Director Zang with

1:14:17

those two million, those gift boxes with

1:14:19

$2 million of cash. The

1:14:21

same Director Zang that I met

1:14:24

face-to-face with around the world, that

1:14:26

the Hunter Biden family shook down

1:14:28

at the end of July 2017,

1:14:30

and that ultimately sent that $5-plus

1:14:32

million to Hudson

1:14:34

West 3 and then funded

1:14:36

a Wasco Holdings-Hunters company. There's

1:14:39

a lot more here than even we know, and we

1:14:41

spent a lot of time looking at all these facts

1:14:43

and diving into it. I love

1:14:45

how the SDNY is making a better case

1:14:47

to defund the United Nations than most Republicans

1:14:49

in Congress. They are

1:14:52

showing the UN as really

1:14:55

an influence-pedaling operation that allows the Chinese to

1:14:57

go and engage in capture right here in

1:14:59

our country. In a lot of ways, we

1:15:01

ought to be utilizing that jurisdiction more if

1:15:04

those things are happening in New York. Well,

1:15:06

no question. People are like, well,

1:15:09

that American in the middle of

1:15:12

Nebraska, listening to the Firebrand podcast is going to

1:15:14

be like, Tony Boblinski was a military man. He's

1:15:16

proud of all of his military. What was he

1:15:18

even doing in business with CFC? If

1:15:20

I read, if the government had

1:15:22

come to me and given me one paragraph of

1:15:24

their opening statement in that, I would have ran

1:15:26

as fast as I could out the door, and

1:15:28

I would have told James Gillier, you guys are

1:15:30

out of your mind. You want nothing to do

1:15:32

with this company, and the Bidens at that time,

1:15:34

you guys are clearly out of your mind. You

1:15:36

shouldn't be anywhere near this, and you should be

1:15:38

running. Okay, well, let me push back. I didn't

1:15:40

know any of this information at that time. I

1:15:42

wish I had. The crazy thing is the SDNY

1:15:45

started issuing FISA warrants, so they

1:15:48

were listening to recorded conversations, email

1:15:50

exchanges, real time, all the way

1:15:52

back to 2014 and 15 with

1:15:55

Patrick Oh.

1:15:58

So they had to have known, or are... FBI

1:16:00

or CIA, the DOJ had to know

1:16:02

every aspect of what I was

1:16:04

doing with CFC, what the Biden's

1:16:06

were doing. And those are questions

1:16:08

that we have yet to see

1:16:11

answered on why this wasn't forestalled

1:16:14

or somebody didn't step in, right? Why didn't

1:16:16

I get a knock on my door one

1:16:18

day and say, hey, listen, we don't go

1:16:20

and do a lot of detail. We understand

1:16:22

that you're working on this deal. You should

1:16:24

just stop taking calls, stop responding to emails

1:16:26

and stay as far away from this as

1:16:28

possible. Yeah, it's the

1:16:30

case of Sam Katusa, who

1:16:33

gets a lot of

1:16:35

attention from the FBI reviewing emails,

1:16:37

phone calls, and that

1:16:39

emerges in this allegation of a

1:16:41

big bribery. Sam Katusa was the

1:16:44

president of the United General Assembly.

1:16:46

Two people after, the guy between

1:16:48

them was John Ash, who they

1:16:51

also were monitoring, who they

1:16:53

also charged, and they sent another

1:16:55

Chinese national to jail for corruption

1:16:57

that was associated with Patrick Dell. Do

1:16:59

you think there's a single president of the UN General

1:17:02

Assembly from a third world country who doesn't at least

1:17:04

have some bribery outreach from CEFC or the Chinese? I

1:17:06

don't know. It seems crazy

1:17:08

to me. It just all seems crazy.

1:17:10

Well, and this is an ongoing concern.

1:17:12

I mean, let's, so we've now kind

1:17:14

of, we've gone over the CEFC business

1:17:16

model. Get the connectors, get the decision,

1:17:18

the government decision makers, get the bribes,

1:17:21

get the deals. And you've pointed out

1:17:23

it doesn't always emerge in a

1:17:25

deal, but as our own government stated,

1:17:28

if you offer the bribe, even if

1:17:30

the deal doesn't emerge on the back

1:17:32

end, you are guilty of violating these

1:17:35

laws. And unfortunately,

1:17:37

we don't view foreign corrupt practices the

1:17:39

way we view domestic corrupt practices. We're

1:17:41

harder on what you can do to

1:17:43

bribe foreigners than on what foreigners can

1:17:45

do to bribe people in

1:17:48

the United States. But we've been over that

1:17:50

business model. We've been over how these various

1:17:52

connectors are

1:17:54

playing the role of the Bidens abroad,

1:17:56

but then the Bidens get brought in to sort

1:17:59

of do that in the United States. States. And

1:18:01

now I think a listener would be left

1:18:03

sort of wondering, so where do we go

1:18:05

from here? I mean, is CEFC still

1:18:08

on the march in their

1:18:10

bribery and colonialism and

1:18:12

are worried, even forget about

1:18:14

the Bidens, that there are other

1:18:16

US policymakers and decision makers who

1:18:18

are going to be confronted with

1:18:20

these corrupt opportunities? Well, crazy

1:18:24

enough, when Patrick Coe was, you know,

1:18:26

indicted, arrested, and thrown in jail in

1:18:28

November 2017, and

1:18:31

then shortly after that, we could spend

1:18:33

a whole other show talking about what

1:18:35

Hunter and Jim Biden did to, you

1:18:37

know, alter documents in Hudson West 3,

1:18:39

remove Chairman E so they could continue.

1:18:41

Imagine this, Patrick Coe gets indicted.

1:18:45

Hunter Biden in a recording

1:18:47

talks about his belief that Patrick Coe is

1:18:49

the spy chief of China. And

1:18:51

are the Bidens running as fast as they can

1:18:53

out the door? No, they're running

1:18:56

in the door. Hunter

1:18:58

Biden wants to represent Patrick Coe so he

1:19:00

can get a million dollars simply for finding

1:19:02

a lawyer. Apparently, Patrick Coe now

1:19:04

potentially might sue Hunter Biden for that

1:19:07

million dollars because it was never returned.

1:19:09

I saw that in a press release.

1:19:11

And then Chairman E is detained in

1:19:13

mainland China. Are the Bidens running out of

1:19:15

the room? No, they're digging in. They're

1:19:17

altering Hudson West 3's operating agreement

1:19:19

so they can keep paying themselves

1:19:22

millions of dollars, and they have

1:19:24

no authority or approval from Chairman

1:19:26

E, the partner of CFC, to

1:19:28

do it. It is crazy, but

1:19:31

CFC collapsed, was taken over by

1:19:33

who? The Chinese government. And

1:19:36

I'm sure there's a next version

1:19:38

of CFC out there. I've stayed

1:19:40

away from it. I'm happy to

1:19:42

be done with it, but I'm

1:19:44

sure there's small versions of CFC

1:19:46

and large versions that are using

1:19:48

capital around the world. They call

1:19:51

it loan to own, one belt,

1:19:53

one road in seaports, military installations,

1:19:55

buying up farmland, all kinds

1:19:57

of stuff that the Chinese Communist Party is doing

1:19:59

right now. Now as you and

1:20:01

I sit here for this amazing podcast

1:20:03

and they're doing it at At At

1:20:06

at every level. Whether it's send and

1:20:08

Sang saying to Chase after Eric Small,

1:20:10

well when he was on the City

1:20:12

government in the city of Dublin, California,

1:20:15

or whether it's offering these massive connector

1:20:17

consulting contracts to people in the Un

1:20:19

to go and do their bidding, it's

1:20:21

everywhere. All along. That straight is an

1:20:24

important point. One of the things that

1:20:26

the I'm To democrats want to argue

1:20:28

is well Joe Biden announced. In

1:20:30

October twenty sitting that he wasn't

1:20:33

running for president, why would see

1:20:35

a seat care about it? The

1:20:37

Chinese or Hundred Years seekers. And

1:20:40

in that announcement Joe implied that.

1:20:42

Stay. Tuned something could be coming

1:20:44

on that running in this election but

1:20:47

potentially could run and further elections. Csc

1:20:49

approach the by in family in the

1:20:51

beginning of October and then the. Young.

1:20:54

Increased it started doing deals. While Jos in

1:20:56

the White House's all these communications that have

1:20:59

been made public by Chairman Com or Chairman

1:21:01

Jordan and Soaks they are long term sinkers.

1:21:03

They could plant seeds as small as a

1:21:06

you know taxi driver or a Yahoo Bird

1:21:08

drivers, some business men or women that are

1:21:10

simply just gathering intel. We want to

1:21:12

know you're you're driving a new Bern D

1:21:14

seats. We just want to know every when

1:21:17

you pick up and and and the Chinese

1:21:19

national might just have to cooperate because the

1:21:21

Chinese Com his party of power over

1:21:23

them based. On their family being in mainland

1:21:25

sense of like that. So yes we have

1:21:27

to wait up. To not

1:21:29

make it you know I'm the boogie man

1:21:32

in the corner. The Sig knowledge of what

1:21:34

they are willing to do, how they are

1:21:36

doing it and how we as a country

1:21:38

lock arms and protect ourselves from that and

1:21:41

not fault. Brady is a capitalistic side of

1:21:43

it or as a different tools they're using

1:21:45

infiltrate us and set rules and stuff like

1:21:47

that and hold them accountable. and it was

1:21:49

part of hundred by the defense in his

1:21:52

deposition. Would get that that part on the

1:21:54

screen where says we'll my Dad Now you

1:21:56

know we were out of power, Dad was

1:21:58

out of office, So what if we

1:22:00

wanted to do a business with China? If

1:22:03

you're just looking at CEFC and the

1:22:05

Bidens, you might think, well, maybe that

1:22:07

looks more like legitimate business. But then

1:22:09

if you look at the fact that

1:22:11

they went and hired Gadio after

1:22:14

he had just left, all

1:22:16

of them, look, all of them, what they

1:22:18

do is they wait till you're just out, they get your hooks

1:22:20

in you, but you see with a number of these other people,

1:22:23

there is a revolving door in government. They're

1:22:25

willing to buy people off on their way

1:22:27

out with the prospect and the hope that

1:22:29

when those people get back in, they'll be

1:22:32

compromised. Yeah, looks like a duck, walks like

1:22:34

a duck, quacks like a duck. I'm willing

1:22:36

to bet it's a duck. You

1:22:39

have to be disappointed that when you voluntarily

1:22:42

provided all this information that you've

1:22:44

given Congress to the FBI, that

1:22:46

it didn't seem to be treated

1:22:49

with the same seriousness of

1:22:51

the Patrick Ho prosecution that we've

1:22:54

been going through. Do

1:22:56

you think that's just because it was

1:22:58

Hunter Biden playing the role of

1:23:01

the bribe solicitor and the bribe

1:23:03

facilitator as opposed to some random

1:23:05

Chinese national or some lower notoriety

1:23:08

person? As

1:23:10

I said, there is much

1:23:12

more here than the American people, even

1:23:14

you as a congressman are aware of.

1:23:17

Charles McGonigal, the head of

1:23:19

counter intelligence with a specialty

1:23:21

in Russia, was based

1:23:23

in New York City from 2016 through 2018. In

1:23:28

his indictment, they name a person

1:23:31

B. That person B

1:23:33

is Dorian Duka, an Albanian

1:23:35

national that also had

1:23:38

close ties to James Gilear and Hunter

1:23:40

Biden. So much so, there's an email

1:23:42

off the infamous laptop where Hunter Biden

1:23:45

says, his first name was Dorian, that

1:23:47

if Tony doesn't want to pay, I

1:23:49

never met Dorian, I never interacted with

1:23:51

Dorian, but James Gilear is talking in

1:23:54

this email exchange that I'm not on

1:23:56

how valuable Dorian Duka was in their

1:23:58

initial introduction. Hims was C

1:24:00

F C. Hunter.

1:24:03

Who wasn't willing to give anybody a

1:24:05

penny was saying if Tony isn't okay

1:24:07

with that all paid during to get

1:24:09

out of my own salary think about

1:24:12

the power. That statement that doing yoga

1:24:14

is person be. In. One of

1:24:16

trolls Mcgonigal to indictments and

1:24:18

during duper was being paid

1:24:20

by Csc. So are the

1:24:22

American people. Supposed. To

1:24:24

believe that the head of Counterintelligence.

1:24:27

In the summer of Two Thousand and

1:24:30

Seventeen wasn't fully aware of everything the

1:24:32

Pine family was doing, everything the Cfc

1:24:34

was doing. And oh, for reminder era

1:24:36

in the process of buying and nine

1:24:39

billion dollar fourteen percent stake and Rosneft,

1:24:41

the Russian owned put and controlled Us

1:24:43

sanctions, energy companies All that was going

1:24:46

on in the summer of Two Thousand

1:24:48

and Seventeen. By the way, shortly after

1:24:50

Joe Biden walked into a private dining

1:24:52

room at the Four Seasons. In

1:24:55

Washington, Dc to shake Germany's

1:24:57

hand Director Sayings Hand and

1:24:59

an entourage for fifteen to

1:25:02

twenty minutes According to Rob

1:25:04

Walkers sworn testimony, that Hunter.

1:25:06

Couldn't remember when he was under oath.

1:25:08

All of that going on and to

1:25:11

South Thousand and Seventeen. Csc was an

1:25:13

extension of the Chinese Communist Party deploying

1:25:15

billions and tens of billions of dollars

1:25:17

run the world's to represent the capitalistic

1:25:20

arm of getting their meet the hawks

1:25:22

in different countries and we need to

1:25:24

wake up in this country to protect

1:25:26

ourselves and protect his American people. And

1:25:29

I appreciate everything you're doing, focused on

1:25:31

that and getting your spears and other

1:25:33

people to focus on that point. What

1:25:35

I really enjoyed. About this discussion is

1:25:38

that the focus is an exclusively

1:25:40

on one administration, one family, one

1:25:42

president. This is really about a

1:25:44

global scheme to hurt America to

1:25:46

hurt our interest driven by the

1:25:48

Chinese and and really you've played

1:25:50

a key part in in giving

1:25:52

us visibility into that scheme through

1:25:54

the most a high profile alleged

1:25:56

bribes that you could possibly imagine

1:25:58

a to the for. who are now

1:26:01

behind the Resolute Desk in

1:26:03

the Oval Office. Final question, Tony,

1:26:06

with all you've exposed and talked about,

1:26:08

do you fear retaliation? Is that something

1:26:11

that you went into this knowing would

1:26:13

be potentially a part of your life

1:26:15

going forward? In 2020, as I told

1:26:17

you, I was a very private,

1:26:22

no social media, low-key.

1:26:24

I could hear

1:26:26

my two grandfathers and my father saying,

1:26:29

you can't sit on the sideline, you know too

1:26:31

much, you have to come forward and tell the

1:26:33

American people the truth. I didn't know how to

1:26:36

do it. I didn't know the right people to

1:26:38

talk to. This was all out of water, out

1:26:40

of element for me. I was willing to do

1:26:42

it then. We live in the greatest country in

1:26:44

the world based on truth, based on the freedom

1:26:46

that our people have fought

1:26:49

and died for before us. I was happy

1:26:51

to do it. I didn't think much about

1:26:53

retaliation. I expected it. I've been warned of

1:26:55

it as recently

1:26:57

as, you know, in our congressional hearing where

1:27:00

Lev Parnas is threatening me, sitting next to

1:27:02

me, warning, they're coming for you. I think

1:27:05

it's laughable that the

1:27:07

Democrats are asking Lev Parnas to

1:27:10

weigh in on my credibility, a

1:27:12

convicted felon that served jail time.

1:27:14

I have an impeccable record. Now

1:27:17

he warned me earlier in this hearing that they're coming

1:27:19

for me. I look forward to that. I look forward

1:27:21

to that, Mr. Parnas. Keep lying. You'll

1:27:24

be there soon. Well, and is that

1:27:26

a threat, Mr. Parnas? No, it's just the truth. No,

1:27:28

did you say they were coming for me? No, I

1:27:30

said if you keep lying, you will end up in

1:27:33

prison. I'm not lying. You're the one who was lying.

1:27:35

You're the one who went to prison for lying. Well,

1:27:37

let him come. The truth will win out and our

1:27:39

country is worth fighting for and I'm more than happy

1:27:41

to do it. A Truth

1:27:43

Teller, an international businessman and a patriot, Tony

1:27:46

Boblinski. Thanks for being here. Thank you very

1:27:48

much.