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now unless you can see the dust. In
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early twenty twenty Lunar cousins was rubbing
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putting g be headed for the Olympics.
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The Olympics which didn't happen because of
1:39
the pandemic. I love wearing the stretch
1:42
of river like wearing through London. It's
1:44
like one of the most beautiful places
1:46
in London. It's so nice. Fish like
1:48
really early in the morning you know,
1:51
started rubbing at university. should be down
1:53
by the river. by five thirty in
1:55
the morning to get a training session
1:58
and before lectures and she cried She
2:00
started training 30 hours a week. I've
2:05
just started my international career. You know, I've been
2:07
in the team for a year. Getting
2:10
research for the Olympics was
2:12
my first selection for a
2:14
senior competition. I just
2:16
really loved growing. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed the
2:18
lifestyle. I could have seen myself
2:20
doing it for many more years, and so there's
2:22
a grief for the life not lived.
2:25
And also, I worked very hard. I put in
2:27
a lot of hours. I invested a lot of
2:29
hours. But
2:31
by the time the Olympics in Tokyo were
2:33
rescheduled for 2021, Una
2:36
was too ill to take part. She'd
2:38
contracted Covid at the very start of the pandemic,
2:41
and like millions of others, her symptoms
2:43
never really went away. This
2:46
word fatigue is a bad word for what
2:48
it feels like. It's nothing like tiredness. It's
2:50
like a deep sickness. Exertion
2:53
makes these symptoms worse. You wake up in
2:55
the morning, like have a wave of nausea,
2:58
and you think, okay, what am I going to
3:00
be able to do today? Unlike
3:03
most people, though, Una had access to
3:05
private healthcare through her running team. She
3:08
saw some very good doctors, but they
3:10
couldn't offer her much. She
3:13
took vitamins and did breathing exercises. Mostly,
3:16
though, all she could do was rest. We'll
3:19
hear more from Una later, because what
3:21
happened to her next is what this
3:24
programme is all about. I'm
3:26
Rachel Shreya, the BBC's health and
3:29
disinformation reporter. And
3:31
in this episode of File on 4, I'll
3:33
be investigating how a lack of knowledge
3:36
around long Covid is opening
3:38
up a space where unproven
3:40
treatments can flourish. There
3:48
are some 2 million people like Una
3:50
with long Covid in the UK, and
3:53
most of them, around 1.5 million, have
3:56
symptoms that interfere with day-to-day activities.
4:00
fatigue, breathlessness, heart palpitations
4:02
and severe dizziness are just
4:04
some of the conditions people
4:06
experience. Currently, there's no
4:08
test for long covid. But
4:10
according to one of the UK's
4:13
leading long covid researchers, Professor Danny
4:15
Altman, the medical community is learning
4:17
fast. We've learnt as
4:20
much about long covid in the last three or
4:22
four years, probably as we've learnt about
4:24
lupus or arthritis in the last hundred years. This
4:26
is a very damaging virus that can get into
4:28
many parts of the body in a
4:30
way that you can see on things like an MRI and do
4:33
direct damage. This is a real thing,
4:35
disease with a real mechanism, with real things
4:37
that we can measure. Researchers
4:39
have found pockets of virus hiding
4:42
in people's bodies. They can see
4:44
damage to some people's hearts or
4:46
lungs in scans. They can see
4:48
changes in people's blood when they
4:50
do specialist tests, tests that are
4:52
generally not available at your GP.
4:55
It could be years before we know for sure
4:57
how best to treat long covid. In
5:00
the meantime, doctors can only try
5:02
to alleviate the symptoms, but research
5:05
is underway. If we think
5:07
that some people have reservoirs of
5:09
virus, let's do trials on antivirals.
5:12
If we think they have
5:14
blood clotting problems and microclots,
5:16
let's try them on anticoagulation
5:18
therapeutics. We haven't agreed the
5:21
guidelines, what drugs to give them, how to
5:23
make them better. So I suppose
5:25
I'd sort of summarize the kind of clinical
5:27
situation for people with long covid as a
5:30
sort of state of ongoing despair where the
5:32
lucky ones have bumped into
5:35
a good doctor who sees somebody
5:37
with breathlessness or respiratory problems or cardiac
5:40
problems or brain fog and use their
5:42
knowledge of basic medicine to try and
5:44
do something useful, which is absolutely better
5:46
than nothing, but not where we should
5:49
be at this stage. There are hundreds
5:51
of thousands of dissatisfied, desperate
5:53
patients who never get to meet
5:56
any doctor. So our long
5:58
covid clinic covers. in this country and
6:00
in other countries has
6:02
become very uneven and
6:04
postcode lottery. The
6:08
UK government says it has invested
6:10
over £300 million to care for
6:12
people with long Covid and
6:14
more than £50 million into long
6:16
Covid research. NHS England
6:19
also told us it had invested
6:21
significantly, setting up a network of
6:23
90 specialist post-Covid
6:25
services. There was an
6:27
initial crunch of money to look at it
6:29
and that led to funding
6:31
for the first two or three or even
6:33
four years of work and that
6:36
was very successful. After that, all funding
6:38
bodies that I'm aware of absolutely
6:40
lost interest in it, pulled
6:43
down the shutters. Filon
6:46
4 contacted all of the NHS
6:48
trusts that run long Covid clinics
6:50
in England, submitting Freedom of Information
6:52
requests, asking for details about the
6:55
services they provide. 58
6:57
trusts, about two-thirds of them,
6:59
responded. The replies painted
7:02
a picture of patchy services with more
7:04
than a third of long Covid clinics
7:06
not being run by a doctor and
7:08
only one in ten, even having one
7:11
full-time doctor on staff. What's
7:13
even more concerning is that only one
7:15
in five trusts could confirm their long
7:18
Covid clinics will still be running beyond
7:20
next year. Do
7:22
you tell us the main symptoms of that
7:25
that are bothering you, David? What are
7:27
the main things that you're struggling with
7:29
at the minute? I
7:31
get very tired easily and
7:34
I get headache-y and I
7:36
get angry. Dr
7:38
Benita Kane worked with long Covid
7:40
patients within the NHS in Manchester.
7:44
She left the service after feeling she
7:46
couldn't treat people as she'd like. And
7:48
before you had Covid, what sort of
7:50
things did you like doing? I used
7:52
to do football and scouts, but
7:54
I had to quit that. Now she runs
7:57
a private clinic in Liverpool where she
7:59
sees patients. from all over
8:01
the country. This patient, we'll call
8:03
him David, is 12 years old. He and
8:07
his family have travelled more than a hundred miles
8:09
to see Dr. Kane. Sometimes
8:11
people have been ill for three
8:13
or four years and not had a proper
8:16
physical examination. You know a comment that
8:18
I hear from a lot of patients
8:20
is when they come
8:22
to this clinic it's the first time they've really
8:24
been listened to and validated
8:27
and somebody's taking the symptoms seriously
8:31
because there's a lot of patients whose
8:33
symptoms are minimized or they're told that it's
8:35
all in their head and that
8:37
is actually quite traumatizing for people. David's
8:40
mum was quite hopeful at first.
8:42
She saw a helpful local GP
8:45
and she says I'm going to put you
8:47
in for a referral with the local long
8:49
COVID clinic so you think oh great there's
8:51
all these special long COVID clinics and you
8:53
don't realise until you get to them they
8:56
can't really offer you anything because they haven't
8:58
got much funding so with
9:00
our long COVID clinic they'd only speak to
9:02
us over the phone they wouldn't even see us
9:05
which is bizarre because you'd think well someone
9:07
needs to examine him and look at it.
9:09
They spoke to me over the phone about him
9:11
and then they said actually all
9:13
we can offer is just rest in time.
9:16
That was about a year ago and then we never haven't
9:20
been in touch since hence here we are.
9:24
This struggle to get help is
9:26
leaving some very unwell people desperate
9:28
and willing to try anything to
9:31
get better. There are treatments
9:33
to wash your blood, high-pressure
9:35
oxygen chambers normally used by
9:37
deep-sea divers, a rainbow
9:39
of supplements or with
9:41
varying degrees of evidence and
9:44
perhaps most strongly dividing opinion, programs
9:47
that claim to retrain long COVID
9:49
patients brains to stop their symptoms.
9:52
Using a range of brain training
9:54
exercises including visualisation, meditation and changing
9:56
your language you can set your
9:59
brain in a new direction. This
10:01
is Dr Phil Parker, an osteopath
10:04
who previously practiced energy healing. He
10:06
founded something called the Lightning Process
10:08
25 years ago and he says it's helped more
10:14
than 75,000 people.
10:17
It now operates in at least 17 countries
10:19
with a network of coaches, including
10:21
at least 14 in the
10:24
UK. He's not a
10:26
medical doctor but he has a PhD in
10:28
the psychology of health. Over the
10:30
last few years the Lightning Process has helped
10:32
hundreds of people with long Covid to change
10:34
their health and recover. So what is the
10:37
Lightning Process? In fact, it's
10:39
currently being piloted by one NHS
10:41
health centre in Scotland. The
10:44
Centre for Integrative Care
10:46
in Glasgow offers both
10:48
conventional and alternative therapies
10:50
including homeopathy. NHS
10:52
Greater Glasgow and Clyde said the
10:55
Lightning Process was being assessed until
10:57
this autumn and
10:59
a report would follow.
11:02
The Lightning Process makes a
11:04
seductive promise that it
11:06
can help people recover from illness by
11:08
rewiring the brain using techniques
11:11
to influence physical changes in the
11:13
body. There's no shortage of people
11:15
who champion the Lightning Process, many
11:18
of them sharing their positive experiences
11:20
online. The staff comes in
11:22
with long Covid and
11:25
it just took three days and the Lightning
11:27
Process to reach entity
11:29
totally. It was like
11:32
taking 40 players in a
11:34
perfect three-step-up and so
11:36
they're really worth taking the
11:38
Lightning Process. I'm 100% recovered and I've got my
11:40
knife back at Pride. I am
11:42
about seven weeks on from doing the course. I
11:44
literally feel like a different person to who I
11:47
was back when I was ill. But
11:49
the programme has plenty of detractors
11:51
too. I don't have a problem
11:53
with people focusing on mind-body. I
11:56
think that's a good thing. I
11:58
do have a problem with people. claiming
12:00
that it can kill people
12:02
without sufficient evidence and
12:05
as a catch-all. There is
12:07
a place for psychological support
12:09
as part of a holistic
12:12
treatment plan which includes medication.
12:15
This idea that you can just fix
12:17
yourself by doing a three-day program that
12:20
people are paying for, I'd raise serious
12:22
concerns about that. So
12:27
what should we make of it all? Is
12:29
the lightning process the answer at least for
12:31
some people or does it
12:33
at best deliver false promises or
12:36
more worryingly does it cause people
12:38
to blame themselves for their illness,
12:40
encourage them to push through and
12:42
ignore their symptoms and potentially even
12:44
make them worse? Yeah
12:47
I just I wanted to get a
12:49
bit more information really. I came across
12:51
the lightning process and I called every
12:54
lightning process coach currently working in the
12:56
UK, 14 of them. Some
12:59
of the stuff I have I guess quite
13:01
like physical like my feet
13:03
will go blue. I just
13:06
wanted to chat through to find
13:08
out a bit more about how
13:10
it works. What's the sort of
13:12
typical result you do you find? I
13:15
gave a medical history based on interviews
13:17
with several real sufferers. They
13:19
also came up with a list of
13:21
long COVID symptoms with long COVID researcher
13:24
Professor Danny Altman. I've had a couple
13:26
of seizures and embossal pains and post-exertional
13:28
malaise they call it. I wanted
13:31
to find out a bit more about whether
13:33
this is I guess appropriate
13:35
for those symptoms. Some of the coaches
13:38
were cautious. A couple of
13:40
them even advised me the treatment was
13:42
not proven or officially recommended but
13:45
the majority made much stronger claims about
13:47
what was causing the long COVID symptoms
13:49
I described to them and
13:51
told me the lightning process could
13:53
make me better within days. I'd
13:56
gathered enough evidence to take my
13:58
investigation a step further. to
14:00
go undercover and secretly record a
14:03
lightning process training course so I
14:05
could really understand what they were
14:08
teaching people. I paid the coach £1,250
14:11
to take part in a
14:14
three-day course over Zoom. Hi,
14:17
I can hear you. All
14:21
clear you're in? Yes, all gay. And
14:25
that's how I found myself. In
14:28
my kitchen, standing on a piece
14:30
of A3 paper in my
14:32
socks. Excellent, we're going to try one
14:34
now. Each of these lines
14:36
is designed to change your brain. This
14:39
coach doesn't know she's being recorded. She
14:41
doesn't say her own things, whatever is
14:44
affected, but these are really, really useful.
14:46
I follow a script I'm taught and
14:48
walk around that piece of paper, which
14:51
is marked with symbols. They're
14:54
labelled stop, present, choice
14:56
and coach. This
14:59
is the basis of the lightning process.
15:02
When you start the process, you start
15:04
in the present, move
15:07
to the stop and do the stop gesture. Then
15:10
move to the next choice. First, I was
15:12
shown a lightning process training video of Dr
15:14
Parker doing the process, and I
15:16
followed along. The
15:18
idea is, every time you experience a
15:21
symptom or a negative
15:23
thought about your symptoms, you say
15:25
the word stop. Then
15:28
move to the choice. You
15:30
make a choice out loud to choose
15:32
the life you love instead of the
15:34
symptoms which they call the pit. Do
15:38
I want that or do I want this? And
15:40
move to the coach. And
15:43
then you coach yourself. Well
15:45
done. You are on track. You
15:48
are a powerful genius. If
15:50
you can do that, you can do
15:52
anything. I will you
15:54
every step of the way. want
16:00
to be strong, to have
16:02
energy, to feel comfortable in your
16:04
body. And then you visualise
16:07
the time you felt that way. So
16:10
it's changing that natural habit of
16:12
brain that helps sometimes. Every
16:15
single part of it is designed
16:17
to change a human brain.
16:19
You know, scientific improvement. And
16:22
a metaphor in nature is very
16:24
powerful, but a metaphor of the you
16:26
that you want to get back to is very
16:29
powerful. I want to be
16:31
full of vitality. How are
16:33
you going to do that? How
16:37
about science? To the beach in
16:40
space. So be there
16:42
now, let beach inspire
16:44
your friends. Feel the heat
16:46
and the heat of the sun
16:49
energising all yourselves. Recharging
16:52
you like a long-lasting
16:54
battery. Dr Camilla Nord
16:56
is a neuroscientist at the
16:58
University of Cambridge. She
17:00
studies the influence of the brain on
17:02
the body and vice versa. She's
17:05
helping me to evaluate some of the
17:07
claims made by my Lightning Process coach.
17:10
Some of that, I would say, is pretty
17:12
standard. Things you might get in
17:14
psychological therapy, relaxation techniques,
17:17
for example. And that can be
17:19
a helpful process
17:21
for many people, irrespective
17:23
of the cause of their symptoms. The
17:26
weird part about it is that it's giving
17:28
people this kind of agency over their symptoms
17:30
that I don't really think people have.
17:33
Dr Parker told us a belief that
17:35
long Covid is all in the mind
17:37
is not part of the Lightning Process.
17:40
Instead, he said it focuses on
17:43
changing your brain to, quote, facilitate
17:46
beneficial physiological changes in
17:48
your body. But
17:51
a core part of the teaching
17:53
is that you can stop or
17:55
improve your symptoms by changing how
17:57
you think and talk about them.
18:00
the virus, you got ill, but
18:02
your body did not get where it
18:04
looked stuck in running the neurological halfway
18:06
on fatigue, brain fog,
18:09
because actually your body now, this
18:11
time scale should now be being
18:13
well. Your thoughts about your symptoms,
18:16
your worry about whether it's ever going to go,
18:18
that's what keeps the neurology going and alive.
18:21
And that will keep the symptoms going. Exactly.
18:25
Being in those kind of
18:27
thoughts is what's maintaining your
18:29
symptoms. That's a big leap.
18:31
But then there's another leap
18:34
between if it's maintained by
18:36
your neurology, then you
18:38
can change it. Even in
18:40
patients whose
18:42
symptoms are largely or
18:45
even entirely generated by some
18:47
kind of cognitive process, that
18:50
doesn't mean that they can just decide to
18:52
change them. That would be great. I wish
18:54
they were the case. But I
18:56
would suggest that it is probably false
18:59
hope and also that it could lead
19:02
patients not to seek other
19:04
types of treatment. Not only did
19:06
my coach say my thoughts were
19:09
maintaining my symptoms, she also told
19:11
me quite explicitly that there was
19:13
nothing physically wrong with my body.
19:15
That's despite having no apparent medical
19:18
qualifications or requesting access to any
19:20
test results. They ask for their
19:22
real symptoms, but they're not
19:24
caused by a physical thing anymore.
19:26
Because it's your brain seeking them
19:28
going, not the virus. It's
19:31
a wild claim that there's nothing wrong with your
19:33
body. I would find that
19:35
an impossible claim to believe.
19:37
They're right that the brain
19:39
can create symptoms of
19:42
physical ill health. But I think
19:44
it's a wild claim to say
19:46
there's nothing wrong with your body.
19:48
And it's just in every case,
19:51
something that you can actively change. I
19:54
think it's a really damaging
19:56
assertion. It will absolutely be
19:58
wrong about some. patients.
20:00
But while Dr. Nord describes
20:02
the lightning process as veering
20:04
into pseudoscience, she doesn't think
20:06
we should throw the baby
20:08
out with the bath water.
20:11
We shouldn't dismiss the possibility,
20:13
I think the likely possibility,
20:15
that for many patients the
20:17
brain, cognition, wider nervous system
20:19
plays an important role in
20:21
their experience of symptoms. We
20:23
know this to be the
20:25
case across medicine. When
20:27
your body is under stress, whether emotional
20:29
or physical, it goes into a state
20:31
called fight or flight. Stress
20:34
can have very profound
20:36
physical consequences on
20:38
gastrointestinal symptoms, on immunological function,
20:41
on systems all over the
20:43
body. So maybe it's one
20:46
piece of the puzzle. So
20:50
she thinks there is a place for
20:52
therapies that help to calm down your
20:54
body and those that help
20:56
you to respond differently to your
20:59
symptoms. It could even
21:01
explain some long COVID symptoms
21:03
in some patients. One
21:05
of the most scientifically shaky claims
21:08
we found lightning process coaches make
21:10
is that using negative words can
21:12
trigger symptoms and
21:14
using positive language teaches the
21:17
brains to experience positive sensations.
21:20
At one point my coach seemed
21:22
to be saying these positive and
21:24
negative experiences and the words to
21:26
go with them were literally housed
21:28
in two different sides of the
21:30
brain. Let's get into the
21:32
other side. The sparky Disney side. It's
21:35
coming up with a vocabulary for the
21:37
sparkly side because all
21:39
of our vocabularies feel about the other stuff. So
21:41
it's coming up with words around body
21:44
comfort, around energy, around
21:46
clear head. So we're thinking
21:49
on purpose in the lightning process and
21:52
we're thinking of the opposite thoughts to how
21:54
we've been thinking of what's going to stop. I'm
21:57
afraid now we've strayed very, very far.
22:00
from neuroscience, what I would
22:02
call neurobollocks. So it's a
22:05
kind of abuse of neuroscientific
22:08
terms in order to give
22:11
quite simple psychological
22:13
techniques a kind
22:15
of sheen of science about them.
22:18
Oona, the elite rower we heard from at
22:20
the start of the programme, missed out on
22:22
the Olympics because of long COVID. After
22:25
giving a TV interview about her
22:27
condition, she was contacted by a lightning
22:30
process coach and offered a free place
22:32
on the programme. I think
22:34
they were hoping that I would have a
22:36
positive experience and use my classic
22:38
platform to kind of advertise it to
22:41
this new patient cohort that was appearing as a
22:44
result of the pandemic. Instead,
22:46
she told me she wants to
22:48
help expose them for what she considers
22:50
to be misleading claims about the process.
22:53
The way that they demonstrate that this is
22:56
what's happening is by pointing out
22:58
how bad your mental health is. And I
23:00
objected to that because by the
23:02
time I spoke to them, I had
23:04
done a lot of work on my mental health and I'd
23:06
recognised how important it was. And I came to like a
23:08
place of acceptance around what was
23:10
happening to me. And so the
23:13
whole kind of premise of the course quickly fell
23:15
apart. She gave up on the lightning
23:17
process after two days. After
23:19
the first day, she complained and was
23:21
sent more stories of people who had
23:23
recovered using the course. This
23:25
stuff makes me really angry because it's exploiting the fact
23:28
that a lot of people with chronic
23:30
illness do have bad mental
23:32
health justifiably. And it's
23:34
easy to exploit patients because a lot of them will say,
23:37
yeah, I do have bad mental health. So maybe it is my
23:39
fault that I have these symptoms. At
23:41
the end of the first day of
23:43
the course, I was told to do
23:45
the lightning process ritual you heard earlier
23:47
and then do a physical activity. Una
23:50
ignored this instruction when she did the course.
23:52
You quickly learn as an athlete that when you
23:54
get sick, you stop and you have to rest
23:57
to recover. And pushing through is just
23:59
a really good. way to make yourself more
24:01
ill basically. And so if people follow that
24:03
advice they definitely can do
24:05
themselves harm and make themselves more ill. And
24:08
then I also think you
24:10
know the gaslighting and the kind of
24:12
blaming patients for their
24:14
symptoms and saying that it's their
24:17
negative thought pattern that is stopping
24:20
them from getting better, I
24:22
think that's a dreadful thing to say
24:24
to patients and it makes people feel
24:26
a little guilt and shame and yeah
24:28
I think it has a lot of
24:30
potential for harm. Long COVID
24:32
doctors and researchers caution that increasing
24:35
activity without medical assessment and supervision
24:37
has the potential to worsen symptoms
24:40
for some patients and even prolong
24:42
their illness. The recommended way of
24:44
managing it is called pacing, basically
24:47
a way of breaking up activities
24:49
with rest to conserve energy. We
24:51
don't do pacing in our cases, you
24:54
never get well with pacing. Instead
24:56
of pacing so we always do the
24:58
same, we do the lightening
25:00
process and then do something,
25:02
a little bit stretching that
25:05
you wouldn't have maybe done before. Dr
25:07
Parker told us the lightening process does
25:09
not encourage people to push through symptoms
25:12
and to be fair my coach specifically
25:14
told me not to do this while
25:16
also confusingly telling me not to pacemase
25:18
things. But it does
25:21
teach that its ritual will give
25:23
you a boost of energy which
25:25
will allow you to safely increase
25:27
your activity without clashing or becoming
25:29
more unwell. Dr Benita
25:31
Kane is dubious about it. There
25:34
are decades of evidence in ME
25:36
to show that there is pathological
25:39
reasons why there
25:41
is energy limitation, that there is
25:44
an underlying problem
25:46
in the energy making factory of
25:48
the body. ME is
25:50
a condition also known as chronic fatigue
25:53
syndrome which has a lot of overlap
25:55
with long covid. Oxygen is not getting
25:57
into cells, some of that might be
25:59
due It might cry. Plus saying
26:01
inflammation. Of the blood vessels some
26:04
of it might be do to
26:06
also me and process is this
26:08
idea that people are just scared
26:11
of exercise and it's all a
26:13
fear based response I would say
26:15
is complete nonsense if you push
26:17
exercise. In a way that
26:20
is no controls. Very very
26:22
carefully managed. you can actually
26:24
make the underlying condition was
26:26
that really worries me. That
26:28
somebody is not medically qualified
26:30
would be asking patience to
26:32
exercise just on the idea
26:34
that they taste that mindset
26:36
of assets. To me, that
26:38
sounds quite dangerous. And
26:42
sat in my gym at the moment
26:44
which isn't a double coverage at the
26:46
bus service my garden. Is
26:49
Kiss.really. Really? Well Scott, Trust
26:51
no way. Loads of really,
26:53
really good kid Savage Eat
26:55
is a science teacher from
26:57
the West Midlands. And
26:59
is all not being used. It's
27:02
a painful reminder actually of the
27:04
person that I used to be
27:06
and that life for I use
27:08
the. Cause she's been struggling
27:11
with Long Cove It for almost
27:13
two years. Old. I'm
27:15
not a professional athlete like Una.
27:17
She was also super fit and
27:19
access before she developed an it
27:21
now had gym houses her wheelchair.
27:24
And. Make sure that take everything
27:26
from upstairs and need because of
27:28
com on the stairs very well
27:31
Fire and he wants and stairs
27:33
rainy day I can't stand in
27:35
the kitchen it is when I
27:37
stand it causes blood pooling some
27:40
my legs at the turn of
27:42
a blue purple color. A must
27:44
see! Get really swollen and the
27:46
pain in my legs just from
27:48
standing is horrific. Sarah thanks to
27:51
spend about fifteen thousand pounds on
27:53
treatments with varying levels. Of evidence
27:55
and safety before trying the lightning
27:58
process. She. Found it often
28:00
I mean.a. rabbit hole of recovery stories on
28:02
you tube. The. Thought that perhaps
28:04
my brain could be driving
28:06
the symptoms was terrifying. It
28:08
may more anxious because he
28:10
can't sit peacefully with anybody
28:12
in the brain said maybe
28:14
was. Like owner and like I
28:17
was when I did. the coast server was
28:19
impoverished to do something she hadn't on for
28:21
long time. After one day of saving the
28:23
process. So. I thought he,
28:26
i'm going to don't sit on
28:28
the spin bike in my garage,
28:30
my gym and. A
28:33
Half this attitude. So.
28:35
I saw on the exercise
28:37
bike and I'm very very
28:39
slowly peddled for about five
28:41
minutes and a whole face
28:43
was twitch him eyelids the
28:45
twitching. When. I for I'd say
28:48
you earn any kind of. Exercise
28:50
or even distant point a low
28:52
level of of activity I see.
28:55
Core. Immediate deafening is the
28:58
symptoms. Despite feeling worse
29:00
when she tried to increase productivity,
29:02
Sarah persisted with the lightning process
29:04
for several months. It didn't work
29:06
me, so I just tried harder.
29:08
You do blame yourself and you
29:11
think you haven't done it right.
29:13
So where does. Makes. You feel
29:15
completely. Even worse that
29:17
he can't do anything to influence
29:19
you will condition positively by know
29:22
she says she felt as if
29:24
she had been trained to ignore
29:26
her symptoms. I said the learning
29:28
process and then about ten days
29:31
later I experience t seizes but
29:33
because I'd recently than the lot
29:35
in process and that spent of
29:38
his time prime him a brain.
29:41
I just completely normalized
29:43
and just ignored lose
29:45
really scary horrible terrifying
29:47
sees is that a
29:49
hard and at didn't
29:51
seek medical. attention savard
29:53
doesn't know what caused has seizures
29:55
it's not clear whether they were
29:57
related to long clay that and
29:59
as certainly no suggestion they were anything
30:01
to do with the lightning process. But
30:04
her experience on the course led her
30:06
to ignore them. I just
30:09
thought that I was part
30:11
of the process so completely
30:13
didn't seek any medical advice whereas
30:16
I should have. Lightning
30:19
process founder Dr Phil Parker said
30:22
it was always disappointing when people
30:24
didn't find benefit in a treatment
30:26
but that this was a possibility
30:28
with all treatments. I
30:30
put a series of questions to him about
30:33
my findings. In an email
30:35
he told me he was too busy
30:37
lecturing to speak to me but he
30:39
did send a written response saying that
30:42
blames, ignoring symptoms and not seeking medical
30:44
help were at odds with the central
30:46
concepts of the lightning process. He
30:49
also told me he believes long covid
30:51
is physical and that the lightning process
30:53
is not about changing mindset. Instead
30:56
he said it is about using
30:58
the brain to influence positive physiological
31:01
changes in the body. I
31:05
also asked him about specific claims made
31:07
to me by lightning process coaches but
31:10
in his email he told me
31:12
our questions were informed solely by
31:15
rumours and misinformation circulated by what
31:17
he called anti-recovery activists. He
31:20
referred us to what he described as
31:22
peer reviewed evidence which supported the efficacy
31:24
of the process. I knew
31:27
that I was essentially well within
31:29
the first two hours of doing
31:31
the lightning process. Wow that's
31:34
quite extraordinary. Rachel Whitfield is one
31:36
of those people who says the
31:38
lightning process worked for her. After
31:40
a seemingly fairly mild covid infection
31:42
she tried to get back to
31:44
her usually busy life as a
31:46
self-employed single parent but she
31:48
found herself developing strange symptoms,
31:51
brain fog, exhaustion and
31:53
purple toes. She
31:55
tried to find more information from
31:57
support groups online. posted
32:00
was does anyone recover and I remember this
32:02
really clearly I got no response
32:04
nothing. This frightened her. I got told
32:07
if you had long COVID then you
32:09
were exercise intolerant and I think every
32:11
time I then tried to exercise even
32:13
if it was just sitting on a
32:16
bike I would get
32:18
symptoms and so I think I formed a
32:20
conditioned response basically like Pavlov's
32:22
dog. After six months she tried the
32:24
lightning process. When I then sat down
32:26
and I did the lightning process course
32:28
very early on I said of course
32:30
I've got to pace I've got to
32:32
manage my energy I've got to build
32:35
up really slowly and she said Rachel it's
32:37
up to you what you do but
32:39
you have as much energy as anyone
32:41
else they call it the pit where
32:43
you're so full of fear and expectation
32:45
about this thing that you think might
32:48
make you worse that it actually starts
32:50
to become reality and something
32:52
in that just clicked and I
32:54
realized that there were some
32:56
things that didn't add up like I could walk
32:59
in my house but not outside and
33:01
I just suddenly realized that my
33:03
beliefs and my fears and my
33:05
anxiety had just been keeping me
33:07
stuck. She felt better almost immediately.
33:09
I went out and I rode
33:11
my bike for 10 miles and
33:13
then I the next day did
33:16
a 5k run from
33:18
scratch having not done more than walked
33:20
to the end of my street for
33:22
seven months. Not everyone does that.
33:25
Some people do. I'd done
33:27
quite a lot of work before
33:29
that in terms of thinking about how
33:32
the mind and body are actually one
33:34
system. I understood fundamentally the mind and
33:36
the body and the impact of stress
33:38
I'd already worked out that that was a huge factor
33:41
for me. But
33:44
the idea that anxiety about
33:46
exercising is at the root
33:48
of most people's post-viral symptoms
33:50
is an extremely controversial one.
33:53
Not least because of the large and growing
33:55
body of evidence of physical damage in many
33:57
people with long Covid. Part of the
33:59
problem if long COVID is an
34:02
umbrella term which might cover several
34:04
different conditions. That's
34:06
why long COVID specialists say people
34:08
need a thorough assessment and access
34:11
to a range of different treatment
34:13
options from psychological support to medication.
34:18
So here on the left we've just
34:20
come to our outpatient clinic. People will
34:22
have blood tests. This
34:25
long COVID clinic in Leicester
34:27
offers exactly that. Dr
34:29
Rachel Evans is a breathing doctor and
34:31
a researcher who helps to run it.
34:34
It's seen as one of the most
34:36
comprehensive treatment programmes in the UK. Some
34:39
people that are recovering but still
34:41
have got ongoing symptoms, they might
34:44
need more of a light touch
34:46
approach. Other people have
34:49
really severe symptoms in a very
34:51
difficult time and we have a
34:53
much more complex approach. We've got
34:56
a range of diagnostics, all types
34:58
of imaging and physiology
35:00
and blood tests that
35:02
are all available. The
35:04
Leicester clinic can prescribe a
35:07
range of treatments from drugs
35:09
to target symptoms to breathing
35:11
rehabilitation but it's not representative of
35:13
the whole country. 40% of
35:16
trusts responding to my Freedom of
35:18
Information request said they had no
35:20
ability to prescribe medication and almost
35:22
20% said they couldn't order
35:24
tests or scams. Even
35:27
Leicester's gold standard clinic can only
35:29
do so much until further research
35:32
points towards the best course of
35:34
treatment. So I think
35:36
going through the service people
35:39
report that they feel better than
35:41
they did at the start but I
35:43
do want to be cautious with that
35:45
because we're by no means curing
35:48
people with these supportive measures and
35:50
we urgently need to find the
35:52
real treatments of long Covid to
35:54
stop this process in the first
35:57
place. So we urgently need clinical
35:59
trials. to demonstrate
36:01
which medications are going to be helpful. But
36:04
as Covid researcher, Professor Danny Altman
36:06
is all too aware, those clinical
36:09
trials take a fair bit of
36:11
time and money. And
36:14
he says that's pretty much dried
36:16
up. Why would you want to do 60
36:18
or 70 or 80% of the homework and
36:21
then need the funding to get the other 20
36:24
or 30% to the finishing line to actually start
36:26
making people better and getting them into
36:28
the workforce and not be able to find anybody
36:30
who will even discuss it with you because they've
36:32
lost interest. It seems incredibly short-sighted to me, but
36:35
that's the nature of it. Unable
36:42
to find much treatment at home, Sarah
36:44
Dukes has been accepted to take part
36:46
in a Spanish trial of a new
36:49
drug. So I'm here at Bristol Airport
36:51
ready to fly to Madrid for a
36:53
clinical trial. I'm here with my mum,
36:55
who has taken me. I've
36:58
been able to walk or stand for
37:00
long periods of time. I'm in a wheelchair
37:02
feeling really exhausted already, but
37:04
also really excited and really,
37:07
really hopeful. She's hoping it
37:09
might be a turning point in an
37:12
illness that has already stolen two years
37:14
of her life. Research
37:16
is slow by nature. Even
37:19
with the best will in the world, it
37:21
could be years before we have an approved
37:23
test or treatment. But in
37:25
the rush to move on from the COVID
37:27
pandemic, many still suffering
37:29
its after effects feel
37:32
they're being forgotten. I
37:35
do feel hope. I've
37:37
always have felt hope because this
37:39
is a treatable condition for sure.
37:42
The research is out there now. People
37:44
are improving. I
37:47
feel hopeful about the future, but
37:49
I feel really frustrated and sad that
37:51
it's going to take so long. People
37:54
have been suffering for years and we
37:56
need clinical trials more. This
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