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as well. Today, I'm joined once again by my
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colleague Christopher Bedford, senior editor
1:05
here at the federalist. Chris
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WELCOME BACK. GO TO BE HERE. BEFORE
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WE STARTED, CHRIS
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TOLD ME THAT HIS BRAIN IS
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CURRENTLY SITTING IN A CushION
1:14
OF DOMNESS
1:15
It's a soft cushion of dum. A soft cushion
1:17
of dum. And the media research center had their
1:19
annual gaitle last night. I don't actually go to many
1:21
those gaelos anymore, but MRC and
1:24
broad scale is actually worth going to -- Mhmm.
1:26
-- it's fun. And
1:27
he knows how to throw parties a lot of alcohol. And
1:29
because of that, the effects that gin has on
1:31
the brain, even the day after when how the
1:33
alcohols left the system,
1:35
I I'm not at full capacity today.
1:37
Thanks for calling that out. A soft cushion
1:39
of dumb. Actually,
1:40
which is great because Chris also
1:43
was trying to figure out should talk about, and he
1:45
turned to me, and he said, we
1:47
could talk about the media's
1:49
fake week It
1:52
was it's completely fake. You live in a fake.
1:54
You live in a stimuli? It's fake every
1:56
week. But
1:58
the soft cushion of dumb
1:59
is a much better sort of A
2:02
full court press right now to
2:04
absolutely lie. I mean, Like,
2:06
the last couple weeks Go on.
2:09
So
2:10
originally, their plan it is it's funny
2:12
when the released talking points. and
2:14
it always does take a little bit for the media
2:16
to figure out how they're gonna do it and,
2:18
like, catch up on them because, like, they're not they're
2:20
not staff, but they realize what they're supposed
2:22
to do. So a couple months ago, they were Who
2:24
do they want to do it? We're going to run
2:27
the
2:27
midterm. The midterm campaign for
2:29
the
2:29
Democrats is going to be
2:31
not Trump. And
2:33
I'll leave Democrats who are in trouble or in convicts
2:35
for freaking out. Like, that's a really awful plan. He's
2:37
not the president. and
2:38
EMEA and the Democrats were like, ah, hold my
2:40
beer. We'll make it present. And I
2:42
just made it about Donald Trump. And
2:44
then they were panicking. Remember there was a couple of weeks
2:46
from CNN. It was like, of the economy is going to
2:48
hell, people can't buy, baby. For me, like, gas
2:50
is over five dollars a gallon. So
2:52
as in places like California, food
2:55
prices are surging interest rates are
2:57
going up. People aren't looking for
2:59
work. People can't hire. They were starting to
3:01
panic, and the democrats just came
3:03
out with our docking parts for like relax.
3:05
fine. And
3:07
they're like, oh, oh
3:08
my gosh, everything's fine.
3:10
You're right. Everything is fine. So I mean,
3:12
if you were to read Axios and
3:14
sound not always terrible, but often,
3:17
you would you would see the economy is great.
3:19
Biden's got his aviators back. The New York
3:21
Times told us
3:22
He's on a roll. He he's he's
3:25
he's crushing legislation that no one cares
3:27
about, by the way. He's
3:30
is winning in the economy is doing better. Gas
3:32
is only like four dollars a gallon now, which
3:34
is awesome. And it's it's
3:36
complete in total why it's
3:38
it's potemkin villages. It's everything
3:41
is fine. Everything is fine. It's
3:44
funny when they talk about things like the big lie.
3:46
when you say, hey, there's serious problems
3:48
with their election integrity,
3:50
the last round. They call that the big
3:52
lie, but then they turn around and they actually say something
3:54
that's so ridiculous and so large. it's
3:56
difficult to even perceive the
3:58
lie. They say everything
3:59
is fine. Everything is fine. I mean,
4:02
they came out and said the economy was
4:04
doing better, and Biden was on an upsurge
4:06
because and then that day,
4:08
the Dow had one of his biggest drops. Right.
4:10
Biden was giving a he
4:12
was on the screen. has
4:14
on cable news, their stock
4:17
tickers were showing the Dow plunging
4:19
while James Taylor was playing guitar. Well, this was a
4:21
couple weeks ago. I was I was wondering,
4:24
if you work at the White House because I mean, it's not
4:26
like the White House reached out to James Taylor, and we're
4:28
like, can you come and play a sign sign of suicide?
4:31
Like James Taylor called Like,
4:33
almost definitely. Some I don't know.
4:35
I don't know. whole stuff. Or it's like Jeff Taylor
4:37
wants to come and play a song. What? And it's
4:39
like, oh, he wants to play a deal. at the
4:41
inflation reduction act he thinks it's
4:43
really important. I bet the I bet the White House called
4:45
him. Zoom seller is the kind of guy
4:47
who pulls his songs off of Spotify.
4:49
to try and protest the most popular podcast
4:52
host in history. Oh,
4:54
the Instagram podcast is, like, fifteen years
4:56
old. And, like, who
4:59
ran a who who did they run a by when they said
5:01
singing a song about suicide? You know the song,
5:03
Chris, was really odd. Mhmm. His guy,
5:05
you've got a friend in me. That's
5:07
not your campaign song. That's not
5:09
James Taylor. Is there? No. That's
5:11
At least covered it.
5:13
Yeah. That's actually
5:14
No, sir. Yes. I
5:20
think he's done. You've
5:21
got a friend with Carol King. Okay.
5:23
Soft
5:26
question of doubt. Yeah. But it
5:28
is it is soft indeed. for
5:30
me is going along with this. Like, if
5:33
if you
5:35
if you follow their news reports and actually
5:37
believe them,
5:38
then
5:39
you think this entire situation is entirely
5:42
different than this entire country, but it's difficult. to
5:44
lie out of it because people still go to the
5:46
grocery store. People are the people who
5:48
didn't have to budget before or have to budget their
5:50
groceries. People who did have to budget before
5:52
have to cut back and end the way that
5:54
they were living. People have to cancel travel.
5:56
People can't buy a home. I just I just talked for
5:58
a couple this morning that's married
6:00
and expecting.
6:01
And they switched from or last
6:03
night, they switched from we're in the market
6:05
to buy to we're now in the market to rent.
6:07
Yeah. Because of the the raising
6:09
interest rates, it's it's significantly more
6:12
money to
6:12
get in there. So
6:13
people people see it, but they're
6:15
still they're still completely determined to
6:18
just lie about it and say everything's fine,
6:20
and that's So kind of a wild place
6:22
even for a media that claimed that Donald
6:24
Trump was a Soviet agent. I guess,
6:26
what I'm seeing more of is
6:29
not
6:29
so much of them saying everything is
6:31
fine, although I have seen some of that
6:33
mostly just like going along with the Biden administration
6:35
talking point. It's so good for you. Yeah.
6:37
Bloomberg article. And I was gonna
6:39
say that what I have seen is just
6:41
like an odd dearth of coverage
6:44
about inflation. And but, like,
6:46
also, just prices. First
6:48
of all, the housing industry, of course, but also
6:50
just we were staring in our staff
6:52
chat some of the increases in prices for
6:54
things like bread. and milk
6:56
and cheese. It's kind of incredible
6:59
how little coverage of that
7:01
there's been of the fact that there food banks who are
7:03
saying they're completely overwhelmed and can't keep
7:05
up with demand, and things
7:07
continue to go in a bad direction. And
7:09
so I think the media has this like shining
7:11
object in the horserace twenty twenty two
7:13
coverage. That by the way,
7:15
it does it especially over the summer. I
7:17
mean, before the money pours into these races,
7:19
all they're doing is priming
7:21
the, I
7:23
guess, big political discourse,
7:25
the broader political discourse to
7:27
be pro dimming or
7:29
even more than pro dimming anti Republican.
7:32
Republican extremist. Right. To the point
7:34
that we now have teenagers running
7:36
over for and and
7:38
and call it insane. The reason
7:41
they did it to the police was that they're a public and
7:43
extremist. Explain that. So
7:45
Joe Biden goes out, says these guys are
7:47
Republican extremists. They're Magna, Republican
7:49
extremists, and they're a danger to our democracy.
7:51
And then this week, we had a car
7:53
attack or a cable's run over. I
7:55
don't know if he died or not --
7:56
Yes. -- over being, quote, a Republican
7:59
extremist.
7:59
That's what the attackers had when he called
8:02
the police. and he's released
8:04
almost immediately unveil an associated
8:06
press reports on it without ever
8:08
even mentioning the term Republican
8:10
extremist -- Mhmm. -- says it was over a quote,
8:12
political disagreement. Mhmm. When
8:15
Donald Trump said shut up your fake
8:17
news to the blow hards at CNN. Like,
8:20
if if a if a CNN reporter got a traffic
8:22
ticket or that. They were saying Donald Trump to
8:24
this. Someone looked at a CNN
8:26
reporter the wrong way. I was trying
8:28
to imagine if it was a dumb
8:30
shooter reporter of theirs who got fired. looks
8:32
like he's fifty five, but he's actually thirty
8:34
five or Right. Stelter. And
8:36
he wears t shirt, like, I'm an defender
8:38
of democracy.
8:42
Meanwhile, Biden goes out there with
8:44
his red image ray and his marines and
8:46
says, these Republican extremist sort of threat
8:48
democracy and a key person kill
8:50
someone two weeks
8:51
later because,
8:52
quote, they're a public extremist and media
8:54
is allowed to see here. Well, this is what Sarah
8:56
Palin sued the New York Times over. Was
8:58
there, like, years after this
9:00
had already been just proven. Their
9:02
association of the scopes, like
9:04
the targets over a different district
9:06
So Sarah Palin? said the Sarah Palin shot
9:09
got a different Yeah. That series that's her so
9:11
Sarah Palin had incited
9:13
the violence, because of that map. And that's why
9:15
she ended up suing the New York Times,
9:17
but it was, you know, hard to prove that they
9:19
had done it intentionally because they immediately
9:22
issued a correction, which actually think it's
9:24
probably accurate. Like, they're so
9:26
dumb that they didn't even realize that
9:28
this had long ago been disproven.
9:30
Like, they're in these really cozy little ideological
9:32
bubbles. set the case
9:34
in New York
9:35
Times, which is Sullivan for the ridiculous
9:37
media regime that we have in this
9:39
country. You can and then that you read the case in
9:41
New York Times, solve it. They literally I
9:43
don't know if I agree with this. About they lied
9:46
about it. I'm I'm probably a fire chief,
9:48
I think I was. Smear
9:50
him. then got away with it because he was a
9:52
public figure. Like, they they basically proved that
9:54
this was just complete in total garbage. And,
9:57
like, oh, no. You're the New York Times has
9:59
actually allowed to go into
10:01
these local areas and smear
10:03
ruin people's lives if they're, quote, public
10:05
figures. And the reason they're allowed to does
10:07
because the media is a force for good, the
10:09
horsepower accountable. Well, that's that
10:11
that time is long over. You have to approve
10:13
malice. Yeah. Yeah. Which is
10:15
very, very, very, very
10:17
hard. but props to Johnny died.
10:19
Twitter makes it easier. Yeah. because people
10:22
tweet about, like, the reporter's on tweet off, somebody
10:24
that got this awful evil person.
10:26
and that shows my house. But, I mean, you
10:28
should just be able to show especially with the New York
10:30
Times that there's been reckless abandon --
10:32
Mhmm. -- that there's been negligence.
10:34
Mhmm. I mean, you don't have to show malice to give everybody
10:37
a manslaughter. What and
10:39
the whole reason that we cut out this
10:41
segment of society, the the newspapers
10:44
were allowed to do. What no one else is
10:46
allowed to do is
10:47
because
10:48
they served an important civic
10:51
function in protecting a safeguarding first amendment.
10:53
They're actually leading the charge now and
10:55
destroying the first amendment. Yeah. They're empowering people. They
10:57
don't hold power accountable. They hold the
10:59
poor account Well, they hold conservatives.
11:01
They they tug at Christians. They
11:03
land bass priests. They
11:05
I mean, my own priest was almost
11:07
almost passed away from he was so sick
11:09
with COVID that he he was close for a period of
11:11
time. Mhmm. And the Washington Post ran an article
11:13
attacking him as an awful man because he prayed
11:15
his Rosaries play the park up there in twenty
11:17
twenty. That's right, COVID. I mean, this is
11:19
no longer a force for good. The same reason that the
11:21
governor of Tennessee should be looking at Vanderbilt right
11:23
now, which I believe he is -- Yes. -- the
11:25
same. What has has what
11:28
what breaks privileges and
11:30
tax exemptions have the people of
11:32
Tennessee granted to you because
11:34
you
11:34
were a center of learning in our
11:37
state that brought prestige to our state. Well,
11:39
now you're actually an enemy of parents, an enemy
11:41
of Christians, Jews, and Muslims in our
11:43
state. you're a bad thing and you lose all those
11:45
privileges. We should review basically all the
11:47
privileges that we've had into the left. I really like
11:49
this where where you're going with this because what you're
11:51
referring to here is Matt
11:53
Walsh's Twitter thread
11:55
yesterday. That was basically a reported
11:57
out
11:57
version of what he discovered
12:00
with his team is happening at vendor
12:02
built. And where where you're going with
12:04
this, Chris, is this broader
12:06
conversation where you'll have people at
12:08
the disc patch hyperventilating, and I don't
12:10
know if they have yet. I'm just assuming that
12:12
people are investigating the Vanderbilt
12:15
hospital for its gender affirmation
12:17
treatments. I say that in air quotes
12:19
if you're if you're listening. But
12:23
there are privileges that have been carved out
12:25
and revoking those privileges.
12:26
is not anti
12:28
democratic. It's not anti conservative. You
12:30
have idiots like Doug Doosie of Arizona
12:32
saying, well, we believe that government has no role
12:34
in what protecting the citizenry from
12:37
abuse of a powerful corporations, universities,
12:39
and politicians. Doug Ducey said that yesterday.
12:41
He said he said very ridiculous. People on the
12:43
right are starting to act like bullies in
12:45
telling corporations what they can't and can't do.
12:47
And it sounded like he was talking very clearly about
12:49
Ron DeSantis. This is his life in your eye. It
12:51
sounded like he was talking about DeSantis. tower
12:53
garage or a restaurant. and
12:55
you and your restaurant goes under, guess what? You
12:57
lose your house. You might lose your car.
12:59
Your kid might have to leave college. If you're a
13:01
corporation and goes on and go under, the CEO
13:03
drives away in his nice car back to his nice
13:05
house because he's protected because we've given
13:07
different liabilities to corporate entities.
13:09
Why? Because they were good for American business.
13:11
well, are those people actually turning in American businesses,
13:13
small businesses? Doug Ducey, we're coming to say, well, you
13:15
can't have the government block, revoke the privileges.
13:18
These my
13:19
point is Yeah. Yeah. Universities.
13:21
and these medical
13:24
associations and hospitals, these
13:26
newspapers, these
13:28
corporate and corporate entities and financial
13:30
entities, These are not just free market voids.
13:32
The government would have to interfere to
13:35
take
13:35
away. These
13:36
things are systems that are designed
13:38
for those things to flourish that given
13:41
by votes of the US Senate and the
13:43
House and and decisions by the administrative
13:45
state. We've
13:45
given them great privilege because of the
13:47
good things that they brought now
13:49
those privileges, privileges get taken
13:51
away. It's not interference in the free market.
13:53
The interference in the free market is that
13:56
capital is tax different from labor. It's it's the
13:58
subsidies that are given to corporations.
13:59
Yeah. ripped those out. I I actually didn't
14:02
expect to get this excited about anything.
14:04
No. And, you know, again, Chris, this we
14:07
sometimes are sitting around thinking about what we should
14:09
talk about and discover
14:11
it fortunately about fake wake.
14:13
Ten minutes into our conversation. But
14:16
no. Actually, this is important because
14:18
it's it's this like, it's similar to the conversation
14:21
about free trade. People on the right and
14:23
the the sort of libertarian right will
14:25
freak out. And it's,
14:27
like, we don't have free
14:29
trade. You're acting
14:29
like this world like there's no
14:31
such thing. You're going to be giving privileges
14:34
to other people different
14:36
people rather than other people no matter what. And
14:38
I guarantee that you wanna do that.
14:40
And so to act like revoking
14:42
privileges, to revoking
14:44
tariffs in certain cases or imposing them,
14:47
we do not have a perfect we don't live in the
14:49
perfect randy in utopia, whether
14:51
it's trade or whether it's subsidies
14:53
here. Like, we don't that that
14:55
doesn't exist. And so there's going to
14:57
be interference in the market. no
14:59
matter what, we're going to have cronyism.
15:01
No matter what, there's
15:04
nothing wrong with trying as
15:06
best we can to take the cronyism
15:08
away. especially when it's creating a
15:10
non healthy society or an unhealthy
15:12
society in different sectors and
15:14
reallocating resources to places
15:16
that are better. Now, I still believe that
15:18
markets are going to do a
15:20
generally better job than government
15:22
at producing outcomes that help
15:24
us flourish. There's no question about it.
15:26
that doesn't mean that we have to hyperventilate every
15:29
time the government juts in
15:31
because there's
15:31
a lot of The market didn't decide that
15:34
capital should be tax less than like No. The
15:36
government did. But now
15:38
we live in a society where
15:40
labor
15:40
counts less than capital. You only It's
15:42
pretty weird. And the economy Let's just turn on
15:44
his head. Wait. There's this idea. Like, the economy
15:47
exists for the
15:49
purpose of a flourishing people. the flourishing
15:51
people don't exist for the purpose of the
15:53
economy. They're not COGS in
15:55
the economic machine. That's not the
15:57
way to look at people.
15:58
and it's never been a
15:59
healthy way to look at people, but it gets to
16:02
this conversation. I was just having taped a
16:03
podcast with Chris Bolivant from
16:06
the Social Capital campaign right before
16:08
I came over here and started recording with
16:10
Chris. And we were talking
16:12
about some of what he was talking
16:14
about in terms of policies to bolster
16:16
families and to shore up
16:18
social capital, reminded me of something
16:20
Jorm has only said on our podcast about
16:22
how we've privatized virtue.
16:25
And
16:25
that's, I think, an important
16:27
insight because we're going
16:29
to have standards of behavior
16:32
in our government. Right? So, like, our government
16:34
presupposes a somewhat
16:36
liberal national order. Right? Like, we have a
16:38
first amendment. We have all of
16:40
these different ideas about how government be
16:42
organized and what the relationship between people
16:44
and government should
16:45
be. But then, we've just sort
16:47
of allowed the private sector to
16:49
run wild and what their desire writing
16:51
is actually increasingly what this tiny
16:53
little percentage of the population wants, which
16:55
is like ESG. Right? Like, that's
16:58
the virtue. By by privatizing virtue,
17:00
we put the hands the power in the hands
17:02
of this tiny slice of the
17:03
population that controls multinational corporations.
17:05
And they're
17:06
going with ESG and diversity,
17:08
equity, and inclusion. and the market
17:10
actually isn't working. It's not working at all
17:13
ESG. And Charles
17:14
Payne talks a lot about this. The
17:16
the danger that ESG
17:19
poses when
17:19
you suddenly start to take as opposed
17:21
to just your profits, your
17:24
your virtue according to the left wing standards --
17:26
Yes. -- measure the value of your company.
17:29
I mean, already the way that we were measuring
17:31
companies was stupid and self
17:33
destructive, quarterly earnings, etcetera, as
17:35
opposed to long term growth.
17:36
I mean,
17:37
talking to folks
17:39
going
17:40
around this
17:41
country and talking to folks who have been very
17:43
successful. I'm talking, like, a hundred million dollars,
17:46
maybe close to a billion dollars who private company owners.
17:48
They'll physically
17:49
across the board tell you, I never
17:51
would have been able to do this.
17:53
Had I been a publicly traded company? Yeah. Because I would have
17:55
been answerable to quarterly earnings. And I
17:57
took hard years. I made massive investments.
17:59
I did things that were possible to
18:02
fail. III
18:03
worked hard at it and
18:05
and things paid off, but we the public the
18:07
top
18:07
of the trade of the company doesn't really allow that --
18:09
Mhmm. -- nearly as much because of the earning reports. And
18:11
now on top of that, they wanna
18:13
add what what left wing things have you done for
18:15
me to the company's earnings. I
18:17
think
18:17
it's gonna it's gonna
18:18
lay them open for a lot of lawsuits. potentially
18:21
from shareholders who disagree. But
18:23
it's just I say, it's so toxic
18:26
that
18:26
Jamie Dylen -- Yes. Yes. I was
18:28
just gonna say that. a leader in
18:30
this garbage. Yeah. He said, no. This
18:32
is stupid. Yes, you're so constructive. And I
18:34
just wanna be like, can Jamie, do
18:37
you know? what's your company does? And I think he
18:39
does know. And I think that's what makes
18:41
it. So I think he's one of the corporate
18:43
leaders that's tried to be very deaf
18:45
at walking this kite rope between because
18:47
they know that they're accountable to the media.
18:49
Right? And the media is gonna tell the shareholders
18:51
what to think. And the media
18:54
has huge role in conditioning the public and
18:56
conditioning shareholders. First of all, it's lost
18:58
business. Okay. Yeah.
19:00
Because the media primes people to
19:02
say, well, if
19:04
you're not investing in ESG, etcetera,
19:06
etcetera. And what did Jamie Diamond say? I think it
19:08
was to Rashida Tlaib yesterday.
19:10
Is that right? He said something like She
19:12
asked about divesting from American fuel
19:14
and energy sources, you know, so we could
19:16
follow Europe towards a winter or -- Yeah. --
19:18
our babies in our elderly free
19:20
And he said that would be the road to hell for
19:23
America. No kidding. Yeah.
19:25
But it's amazing because always
19:27
operated. That's not always operated for the last
19:29
decade. So Right. But see, they're they're
19:31
willing to when the rubber meets the road,
19:33
when it comes to to fossil
19:35
fuels, they're willing to stand
19:37
up and say whatever. And they are invested in
19:39
different renewable technologies and
19:41
and other things. Like, in general, everybody's
19:44
investing those because they know that there is
19:46
going to be certain shifts. This reminds
19:48
me of I think as Azeroth said, David Azeroth
19:50
who's been on this podcast a number of
19:52
at the
19:52
National Conservatives in Conference in Miami.
19:54
He challenged
19:55
what I thought and
19:57
that the the
19:58
the rue the Wokeness is
19:59
a religion. And I thought we a lot a lot about that the
20:02
federal center saying in that way
20:04
because of its
20:04
ideas of sacraments and sacrifice and
20:07
sin and pendants. he
20:09
said -- It's just -- have martyrs.
20:11
Yep. Wellness doesn't have martyrs. Wellness
20:13
has she told some justice warriors who
20:15
are always with it when you win.
20:17
Mhmm. They're battle to the last man over
20:20
Jerusalem or they're not gonna die in the steps of the
20:22
Vatican. Exactly. They're
20:24
not. So, like, Jamie
20:26
Dodds. They're not willing to sacrifice their
20:28
profits. Yeah. Yeah. At the end, I mean,
20:30
they'll they'll make sacrifices here. They'll donate a
20:32
billion dollars to terrorist
20:34
organizations like Black Lives Matter that make America did that.
20:36
But at the end of the day, they will
20:37
flee when it's no longer helping them.
20:40
And that kind of put
20:41
it that it's basically had to cause me
20:44
to rethink exactly what are we dealing
20:46
with. And
20:46
if we take the path of someone like
20:48
Ron DeSantis as opposed to cowards like
20:50
Doug Doosey and say, well, we're gonna turn up the heat
20:52
make uncomfortable for you to destroy this
20:55
country? How many of them
20:55
will still want to destroy this country? No. But the yeah.
20:58
Exactly. Because they think they're under this
21:00
is about Jamie Dimon. They're under the impression
21:03
that this social leftism or
21:05
cultural leftism is good for their
21:07
bottom lines. more that they realize
21:09
it's not, the less willing they
21:11
will be to continue
21:13
down that road and they you see it with the
21:15
fossil fuels. He said it yesterday. Imagine
21:17
him being pressed by a Republican
21:19
lawmaker to stop doing
21:22
ridiculous gender ideology,
21:24
like having his policies informed by gender
21:27
ideology or RACIAL WONKNESS
21:29
AND HIM SAYING THAT WOULD BE THE ROAD TO
21:31
HELP FOR AMERICA? NO, HE WON'BECAUSE HE STILL
21:33
THINKS THOSE ARE GOOD FOR PROFIT. and
21:35
that's exactly what it comes down to. Texas
21:38
and Arizona and New Mexico and
21:40
Florida and Kentucky and wherever
21:42
else have
21:43
not yet made
21:44
it incredibly difficult for Jamie Dimon
21:46
to push theirself in his company. Yeah. But they
21:48
should. Well, and this gets to the Vanderbilt thing.
21:51
So Matt Walsh is exposing
21:53
what's happening at the the Vanderbilt
21:56
Medical Center Hospital, whatever it
21:58
is, in terms of
21:59
transgender affirmation treatments,
22:02
and he was I saw him tweet this morning,
22:05
actually. He said something to
22:06
the extent of
22:08
Republicans never used to, like,
22:10
actually do anything about this.
22:12
now that's going to change. And I
22:15
wanted to ask you about that, Chris, because
22:17
it
22:17
does seem Matt Walsh has, like, said he's
22:19
already talked to certain politicians in the
22:21
state of Tennessee. about Vanderbilt.
22:25
So do you think this
22:27
is actually a sea change? Or do you
22:29
think it's just people No. I
22:31
think
22:31
it could be. I mean, Bill
22:34
Lee is kind of more he's he's
22:36
been he's been hardcore
22:38
on a number of different things. But
22:40
other things, he's definitely backed the well
22:42
government and shouldn't interfere --
22:44
Mhmm. -- approach that -- Mhmm. -- public use to have
22:46
I mean, I had I've had some heated
22:48
debates
22:49
where some folks were very close to him
22:51
over vaccine mandates, etcetera.
22:53
And how why the states are stepping
22:56
to ban private businesses from
22:58
borrowing people from the marketplace based on
23:00
their medical history. Which is
23:02
also the critical division between, I believe, Lucy and
23:04
DeSantis. I think that's what DeSantis was
23:06
referring to when it came to DeSantis. DeSantis
23:08
did say. DeSantis said you can't ban
23:10
pee. You cannot ban. Yeah. the
23:12
citizens of Florida from partaking in the marketplace
23:15
with that
23:15
unless they get an injection, that is not something that
23:18
we're gonna permit our business to do. And a
23:20
lot of other Republicans said,
23:22
well, if businesses if businesses want to,
23:24
you know, make you get the mark or make you
23:26
want to get the jab, that's their
23:28
right. I think that's garbage. I think DeSantis
23:31
was right. So so that that's just to show you
23:33
that right
23:33
now is something
23:35
that's different. Billy's
23:37
team has said he has I've seen this thing going
23:39
on in Vanderbilt. And their first thought
23:42
is not
23:42
well, this is just a private
23:44
university that could they if they want
23:46
to remove parents from children's medical
23:48
waiting rooms and put in transgender
23:51
groomers to and and separate them from the
23:53
parents. We're not going to allow that. Mhmm. That's
23:55
not allowed a period. if
23:57
they're gonna run this and and
23:59
brag about it,
23:59
the profitability of a clinic
24:02
that castrates children. Mhmm.
24:04
We're not going to
24:04
allow that. So that's that's something
24:07
that's a change. I think I
24:09
think
24:09
maybe DeSantis and other folks who are early
24:12
to do this that
24:14
it turned off some who just hadn't really rethought
24:17
the situation that we're in as a
24:19
country and -- Yes. -- and then thought
24:20
of just had, like, a a
24:23
dogmatic response of
24:25
no government bad as
24:27
opposed to, like, oh, what what what actual purpose
24:29
is gonna serve. Yes. Come around. Yeah. I agree with
24:31
that. I've and I I think probably both of
24:33
us would say that's true of our own
24:35
thought processes. Well,
24:39
so this is
24:42
Chris Bolivand, who I referenced earlier, we
24:44
taped that podcast about Social Capital,
24:46
was saying this in the context of he
24:49
had been talking about family
24:50
policy with people in the corporate world.
24:52
And they had some people had responded by
24:54
saying, this actually takes the heat
24:55
off of us. to do ESG stuff.
24:58
Think about that because it gets to this
25:00
concept of privatizing virtue. Well, not
25:02
really. Right? Like Pay for your abortions and
25:04
we'll give you no leave for We'll
25:06
give you zero leave for for when you have a baby, but we'll pay
25:08
for your abortion. Yes. We Think
25:11
about that. We're gonna do the ESG, but
25:13
we're gonna make fly over the world, be
25:15
right for a family. Because with
25:18
vaccines, they
25:18
are responsive to this tiny slice of the
25:20
population in the American media. They are responsive
25:22
to this tiny slice of the population often at multinational
25:25
corporations that works in the C suite
25:27
level in Manhattan or LA
25:29
or wherever. And
25:31
so there's this it's basically, there's a tyranny
25:33
of elitism that controls all
25:35
of these institutions that serve people
25:37
beyond the elites. if we're prices privatizing
25:40
the virtues, we're increasingly privatizing them
25:42
and putting them in the hands of oligarchs
25:44
essentially that are saying, this is the
25:46
virtue. The virtue is ESG. totally
25:48
top down. It's not consensus, and the market
25:50
has really very little power because
25:53
the media is misinforming absolutely
25:55
everybody and some of these companies
25:58
like tech companies aren't
25:59
monopolies, and so you can't avoid it.
26:02
As a as a person, much smarter than
26:04
myself, one said, the media's
26:06
fake week. Yeah. That
26:08
was you. Oh, man. It's not
26:10
so satisfying. Sometimes I always wonder how did they come up
26:12
with those great ideas No. It's a
26:14
it is a good point though because, you know,
26:16
I think it take the vaccine question
26:19
that you were just saying. Like, if we're
26:21
letting private companies in
26:23
the market, sort out what
26:25
the virtuous position
26:27
on whether people should be able to
26:29
make these decisions for themselves is.
26:31
they're making it in the
26:32
heat of a media atmosphere and
26:35
a, let's say, also, a health
26:37
of the medical industry
26:39
at that a highly subsidized medical industrial
26:42
ad that
26:42
is completely feverish and
26:44
has had to correct themselves a
26:46
million different times. And so
26:49
you might think that the
26:50
market would sort that out because consumers would
26:52
make
26:52
the best decisions for
26:55
themselves. But the
26:55
pressure coming from America's
26:58
elite
26:58
sectors in that is forcing people to
27:00
make decisions that they don't want to make.
27:02
It doesn't work right
27:03
now. Yeah. It doesn't work. talking
27:05
about psychology in last night
27:08
on the federal strat. and
27:09
just the state that that's
27:11
in. Like,
27:12
republicans are finally eating conservatives are starting
27:14
to wake up and connect COVID did a lot
27:16
toward this,
27:17
where we're saying,
27:18
well, we there's a mental health crisis. We need
27:20
to power more psychologists. It's like, you mean
27:22
the people who are over there making money telling boys
27:25
that they're girls? Mhmm. This
27:27
is the folks you wanna empower to experiment on health crisis. Mhmm.
27:29
Waking up to just how
27:32
crooked
27:32
or
27:33
corporate
27:34
Elisa, financial elites, banking
27:37
elites, political elites,
27:39
legal elites, medical elites. Mhmm.
27:42
Venerville University -- Mhmm. -- and see --
27:44
Mhmm. -- is is an is an important
27:46
first step. It's basically the
27:48
the the
27:48
drug addict who's looking at the mirror and
27:51
saying, I'm a drug addict. I've got a problem.
27:53
So Recognition. When we passed the Civil
27:55
Rights Act in nineteen sixty four, and I
27:57
think, you know, there's plenty of debate. The gold
27:59
water side of
27:59
that debate, I think, is Oh, a
28:02
court order said that a bunch of things unintended
28:05
consequences would happen. He was right. And all in
28:07
all of them did. Yeah. It was completely
28:09
pressured.
28:09
and there's a debate that, you know, the
28:11
the left likes to pull the gold water side of that
28:13
argument wildly out of context
28:16
and and treat it as though it's idiotic
28:18
and whatever else. In in
28:20
the sort of context of
28:22
government, role the role of the government, it's a
28:24
different conversation, but The reason the civil rights act of nineteen
28:26
sixty four passes is because we're
28:29
moving towards a society where we
28:31
agree that we're not privatizing
28:33
the virtue of equality. Right?
28:35
We're saying this federal government, these people
28:38
elected in the Republican system of
28:40
government, they represent the people.
28:42
And by and large, they
28:43
decided that we
28:45
should ban racial discrimination
28:47
in the private
28:48
sector. And in the public sector,
28:51
we agree that racism
28:53
should not be allowed in
28:55
in
28:55
our society because
28:58
we agreed on what constituted
29:01
these values. and we agreed that we had consensus
29:04
on what the virtue was, treating
29:06
everybody the same
29:07
regardless of what the
29:09
color of their skin is. Now,
29:11
Actually, Washington, D. C. What's how
29:13
your largest like that? Is it your largest like
29:16
outcomes? Yeah. But but I'm saying the the
29:18
core of that is a consensus agreement on
29:20
a virtue. and the federal government elected by
29:22
people, decided that elected
29:23
by the American people, decided that this
29:25
was a consensus American virtue.
29:28
that discrimination, racial discrimination is wrong.
29:30
We can't do that
29:32
period anymore. We can't even
29:34
interpret that correctly anymore. Here in
29:37
Washington, DC,
29:37
There was a
29:39
racially segregated performance recently where they it
29:42
was literally only
29:45
for black members of the audience that were allowed to
29:47
go in, and
29:47
the media here in DC cheered it as
29:49
though this was
29:51
super progressive instead of being completely
29:54
regressive. I have a feeling that
29:56
I didn't miss anything that I would have
29:58
wanted to listen to. Yeah. The
29:59
point is, like, we just can't we
30:02
we can't even decide we're
30:04
we're basically incapable of having those
30:07
discussions and even coming to those agreements
30:09
anymore because there's consensus on
30:11
on nothing because you have this
30:13
mass confusion between essentially
30:16
people acting as oligarchs because they control
30:18
all the levers of private power
30:20
and but they do. I mean, they
30:22
just simply do. They control all the levers
30:24
of private power in the country, and they
30:26
have they disagree wildly with
30:29
the public. the
30:30
public is catching on. And the public caught on,
30:32
I think it's a couple years ago, twenty sixteen. The public
30:34
started to catch on. Twenty twenty public really started
30:36
to catch on.
30:38
It's not uncommon that the
30:40
political leaders in the United States or the last people to
30:42
catch on, but
30:44
it seems like final happening. So I'm I'm looking forward
30:47
to what happens
30:48
in Tennessee. It's not like it's a state
30:50
university. It's not something you can just defund
30:53
or or take
30:53
over the board or something like that. Although, by
30:55
the way, more governor should look into
30:58
that. There's no reason that the the state
31:00
universities of Texas should be leading a
31:02
left wing revolt against the Texas people and government.
31:04
But I'm
31:05
interested
31:06
to see what solutions come out of this as as
31:08
more and more brains are
31:10
put to these problems.
31:12
and try to think of constructive ways
31:15
and try to reevaluate
31:17
the carve outs and the privileges that we have handed to
31:19
an elite that now hates us. it'll
31:20
be an exciting time.
31:23
Well, universities are a great example
31:25
of nonprivatizing virtue. Right? Saying,
31:27
like, UVI, Thomas Jefferson's vision of
31:29
UVI, like, there is a virtue you in a
31:31
liberal arts education. There's a virtue in
31:33
our young adults going through this
31:35
process. There's a virtue in
31:38
saving books and artifacts and
31:40
teaching and learning. But,
31:42
you know, we have to have a consensus
31:44
on what is sex.
31:46
what is biology and you
31:49
can't function as a
31:51
university if you don't because then the outcome is
31:53
this trickles into your medical treatment
31:55
and it trickles into your psychology school. It
31:57
trickles into everything else. And the public
31:59
of Tennessee doesn't
31:59
want that. The fact that that happened in a
32:02
state like Tennessee
32:02
is extremely telling. I
32:05
mean, I think Eddie was right. What what are the
32:07
chances? Was it CBS and
32:09
ABC have deleted their tweets
32:11
accidentally referring to Babies. Babies is
32:13
babies. Yeah. And the study a study
32:15
just came out that that showed that
32:17
babies could differentiate and show a
32:19
pleasure to us based on taste -- Right. --
32:21
in the room. And I'd like to look at this
32:23
adorable baby. It's like, alright.
32:25
But
32:25
flip two pages, some are saying that's not a
32:27
baby and you can kill it right now. Yep.
32:29
So there's a disconnect here.
32:32
And, you
32:33
know, as as people on the right
32:35
like to say, just wanna follow the science. I just
32:38
wanna follow the science. Follow the science.
32:40
That's a boy. That's a girl. Chris Bedford
32:42
is a man of many tattoos, including
32:44
one that says follow the science. Yeah.
32:46
Yeah. A lot of people don't know that. It's it's
32:48
right on his neck though. The daily caller used to
32:50
have a policy that they would pay for any daily caller
32:52
tattooed employee who wanted ago. I was gonna say they
32:54
would pay to remove any tattoo to
32:56
deploy one together. That makes sense. You know
32:58
what? Oh, I would think
33:00
Tucker would be against tattoos.
33:02
had to lose that policy after after Obama carried a
33:04
drop deficit. Of course. This is
33:07
not in the budget. Alright.
33:10
Christopher Bedford, senior editor at the
33:12
federalist. Thank you as always. Thank you. You've
33:14
been listening to another edition of the Federalist
33:16
Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jucinski Culture Editor
33:18
here at the Federalist we will be back soon with
33:20
more until then be lovers of freedom
33:22
and anxious for the frame.
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