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I want to talk about. what happened

2:01

Friday morning to Scott

2:03

Scheffler, the number

2:05

one ranked player in the world. Scott

2:08

got detained, arrested by police,

2:11

because he didn't comply with the police.

2:13

In my view, let's

2:15

listen to Jeff Darlington of

2:17

ESPN, explain what happened with

2:20

Scott Scheffler. Entering

2:22

Baja Adult Club this morning,

2:25

we witnessed a car pull around

2:27

us that was, Scott Scheffler was in the car,

2:29

to be very clear about the details here. Scott

2:32

Scheffler has been detained by police

2:34

officers placed in the back of

2:37

a police vehicle in handcuffs after

2:39

he tried to pull around what

2:42

he believed to be security, ended

2:45

up being police officers. They told him to

2:47

stop. When he

2:49

didn't stop, the police officer attached

2:51

himself to the vehicle. Scheffler then

2:53

traveled another 10 yards

2:56

before stopping the car. The

2:58

police officer then grabbed at his arm,

3:00

attempting to pull him out of the

3:02

car before Scheffler eventually opened the door,

3:05

at which point the police officer pulled

3:07

Scheffler out of the car, pushed him

3:09

up against the car and immediately placed

3:12

him in handcuffs. Scheffler

3:14

was then walked over to the police

3:17

car, placed in the back in handcuffs,

3:20

very stunned about what was happening, looked

3:23

toward me as he

3:26

was in those handcuffs, and said, please

3:28

help me. He very clearly

3:32

did not know what was happening in

3:34

this situation. It moved very quickly, very

3:37

rapidly, very aggressively. He

3:40

was detained in that police

3:43

vehicle for approximately 20 minutes. The

3:45

police officers at that point did

3:48

not understand that Scott Scheffler was

3:50

a golfer in the tournament, nor

3:52

of course, that he is the number

3:54

one player in the world. Yeah,

3:59

so... Let's be clear here. I don't

4:02

think this would have happened to Tiger Woods because

4:04

I think the police officer would have said, oh,

4:06

that's Tiger Woods. You

4:08

know, Tiger cut it out and

4:10

I just don't think it would have escalated to

4:12

that. But I do

4:15

know I have a consistent philosophy as

4:17

it relates to law enforcement or whatever.

4:19

It's just killing with kindness, killing

4:22

with compliance. You comply,

4:24

you virtually eliminate

4:26

any chance of having a

4:28

problem with police. Scotty

4:30

Sheffler seemed to not comply.

4:33

He's the number one player in the

4:35

world. He's the biggest story in golf.

4:37

He's in a car that identifies himself

4:39

as a golfer. So he made some

4:41

bad assumptions here that the police would

4:43

understand or whoever the security was would

4:45

understand. And he didn't have to comply

4:47

and the police would stop. He

4:50

thinks, again, Scotty Sheffler put out

4:52

a statement, you

4:54

know, putting out his side of the story. I

4:57

want to read that into the record.

4:59

This morning I was proceeding as directed

5:01

by police officers. It was a very

5:03

chaotic situation. Understand we so, considering the

5:05

tragic accident that had occurred earlier. And

5:07

there was a big misunderstanding of what

5:09

I thought I was being asked to

5:11

do. I never intended to disregard any

5:14

of the instructions. I'm hopeful to put

5:16

this aside and focus on golf today.

5:18

Of course, all of us involved in

5:20

the tournament express our

5:22

deepest sympathies to the family of

5:24

the man who passed away in

5:26

the earlier accident this morning. It

5:29

truly puts everything in perspective. So

5:31

I like his reaction here. He's

5:33

he's he's been

5:36

humbled and he's expressing a bit

5:38

of humility. I'm sure he's really,

5:41

really frustrated and probably

5:43

would like to say a

5:45

few other things. But

5:49

he didn't. He composed himself and

5:52

and and said the right

5:54

things. If

5:56

He complied, though, there would be no problems.

5:58

He did go on. Ah

6:00

to play. Ah shortly after

6:03

his arrest and he played really

6:05

well. Ah M is in contents

6:07

and he's the number one goal

6:10

from the world's for a reason.

6:12

He. Wakes up this Saturday yard not

6:15

in in consensus to be the

6:17

leader of the Pg A tour.

6:19

so are the Pt A championship

6:21

so he did not affect his

6:23

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6:25

focus is place. Hats off to

6:27

Scotty Selfless but my take on

6:30

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6:32

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Steve, I've set

12:42

this whole thing up, explained everything

12:44

about what went on with Scotty

12:47

Sheffler, Korean

12:49

Co-Sale. My

12:51

position is, if Scotty Sheffler

12:53

had just complied, he

12:55

would be a free man this morning. Well, he is a free

12:57

man. He's on a golf course. But I'm

13:00

pretty consistent here. Just do what the cops say

13:02

and you've got no problems. If

13:05

you just comply, you can

13:07

keep on driving. If you can

13:10

comply, you can fly. I mean, I

13:12

don't know what to really say. I think it's really interesting

13:14

though. On Twitter,

13:16

the usual suspects are

13:18

now kind of mocking the, well,

13:20

you should have just complied. Well, yeah,

13:22

you're right. So here's the difference between

13:24

us and them. We're consistent with

13:27

that. I think Scotty Sheffler should have

13:29

shown more patience and he had a real sense

13:31

of entitlement. All he

13:33

had to do was wait. Everything would have been fine. But

13:35

a lot of these celebrities and athletes believe as though

13:38

that they are above the law and that they have a

13:40

special treatment. Now,

13:43

maybe they do, but they

13:45

oftentimes don't have a respect for the

13:47

regular working stiff. That is the

13:49

truth. And he blew

13:51

this thing way out of proportion. It's really unfortunate

13:54

it went this way. But

13:56

I do have a question now for those people who

13:59

are on the... This it ended a spot from

14:01

as us. Will. You now hold

14:03

that same standard. To. When

14:05

someone else has a situation people would

14:08

actually long link. Criminal

14:10

rap sheets were committing crimes in

14:12

the process. Seek a we have

14:14

a little bit of Bob New

14:16

wants to discuss. Schaeffler deserves everything

14:18

he got. He. Basically.

14:21

Acted out of pocket. He was

14:23

irrational, impatient, and was not responsible.

14:26

Months. At the same time? Oh,

14:29

He's. Not a criminal, his artwork criminal. I

14:31

look at it wraps lot of think as

14:33

much going on outside of this morning so

14:35

that. Same. Standard. Same.

14:38

Standard. I'm ruined my pillow. Was.

14:40

Playing for some sexual assault.

14:42

The. nearly land of landed him in the because

14:45

of this was for the white house and it

14:47

became a big stories to about his lady was.

14:50

And I remember michael her when

14:52

he saw the media. After he

14:54

was cleared he bought the same

14:56

intensity. Same. Intensity. So

14:58

again when I am saying to

15:00

these people who. In

15:03

my favorite is actually trying to compare this

15:06

to Regatta Taylor. And nothing

15:08

myself. okay you wanna talk about

15:10

in out of pocket? Ah, complete

15:12

misrepresentation of making a comparison. All

15:14

I could say that these individuals

15:16

as. Same. Intensity. Whole.

15:20

For a second. This

15:22

got sessler girls and compared with out

15:24

of there he actually said still didn't

15:26

get through It's also a tweet I'll

15:29

bring it over to be we should

15:31

put it up but he actually tried

15:33

that us involved Riyadh a tail another

15:36

my that there were guns pointed ah

15:38

at the cops at that point of

15:40

you want to talk about up that

15:43

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Go has a user see the replies

15:49

are quite interesting. ah answer even compare.

15:52

those two shows you the level

15:54

of intelligence or dishonesty and are

15:56

both have some of these people

15:59

but again That is our standard,

16:01

Jason. See, we are honorable people. We're serious.

16:03

We have the same standard. Just

16:06

comply. You're right, no matter who you

16:08

are, whether you're a PGA golfer, number

16:10

one in the world, or

16:12

someone committing a crime or as a career

16:15

criminal. Yes. Just comply, please.

16:17

Well, the argument works

16:19

both ways for me in

16:22

terms of just comply. But

16:26

also, this is an example

16:28

of that the police

16:31

don't really care. Black,

16:33

white, whatever. If

16:35

you give them any static or

16:37

any excuse, they will escalate things.

16:40

And so there's this myth that

16:43

the police, oh my God,

16:45

when they see a white person, they just

16:47

roll out the red carpet and they forget

16:49

that they're police and white people can do

16:52

whatever. And this is the number one golfer

16:54

in the world. Super

16:56

wealthy. He's in a car that

16:59

should identify him as a golfer and,

17:01

you know, has a right to do

17:03

there. But he gave the police some

17:05

static and he

17:07

got inconvenienced incredibly. And

17:10

so cops, I like them.

17:12

I respect them. I understand how difficult

17:15

and their jobs are. And

17:17

so I try not to give them

17:19

any static because I know they're frustrated.

17:22

They're confused because I think what really

17:24

happened here, Steven, and I mentioned this

17:26

briefly, but what

17:28

really happened here is because

17:30

of the traffic accident that

17:33

created a fatality, the

17:36

police or more police

17:38

officers who were probably not scheduled

17:40

to be in that area were

17:42

brought into that area by the

17:44

golf course. And so they

17:47

don't know what the protocol is

17:49

for the golfers. They're there because

17:51

there was a traffic fatality, pretends

17:53

a crime on the scene. And

17:55

so they're a bit confused. And

17:58

so Scotty Shephard's thinking. I'm gonna get treated just

18:01

like I always do at a

18:03

golf course if there's some kind of traffic

18:05

jam They're gonna I'm a golfer. I'm Scotty

18:07

Shephard. They're gonna let me through but you

18:09

got some cop perhaps Who wasn't

18:11

scheduled to be there and all he knows he's

18:13

asking a guy hey stop And if

18:16

he stops for 10 seconds offers

18:18

this guy an explanation they

18:20

let him roll through like all the other

18:22

golfers and Trust me all

18:25

the other golfers weren't Tiger Woods and

18:27

Tony fee now It was a bunch

18:29

of white golfers that got

18:31

through this whole process without any

18:33

problems Scotty Shephard

18:35

didn't Scotty Shephard's on my

18:37

team on Virgil's team. He's

18:39

a Christian. He's a believer

18:42

Loved him after he won the

18:44

Masters and celebrated God, but on

18:46

this instant. I gotta say Scotty

18:48

just Inconvenience yourself for

18:50

10 15 seconds. There's no issue

18:52

here, bro. His white privilege card didn't work this

18:55

time Go

18:59

ahead Steve Well, I think Scott Shepler so used

19:01

to playing through that he just thought he could

19:03

just you know Keep it going off the golf

19:05

course But I first of all, I

19:08

have a hard time believing there's not a phone number He could

19:10

call in situations like this where somebody

19:12

could outside say hey listen, let this guy through

19:15

But you know, it's interesting. Um is

19:17

now this our version now

19:20

we can bring this out in situations like this

19:23

There's always the what about far right?

19:26

Well now now Jason, can we say what

19:29

about Shepler? Is

19:31

that our version of what about It

19:35

might be I may throw off the Scotty

19:37

Shepler card from time to time moving forward when

19:39

any of these situations come up I'm

19:41

just This myth

19:43

that somehow the police all just

19:45

hey white people just do whatever

19:47

you want Those maybe

19:50

some of you don't know any white people

19:52

who can tell who can go story for

19:54

story about their bad engagement with police It

19:57

happens, but I know one solution to it

19:59

at any time, just kill them with kindness,

20:02

they will fold. And that's been my

20:04

experience. No matter how much disrespect,

20:06

I just kill them with kindness. And then eventually

20:09

they fold. Jason, there was

20:11

that Harvard professor, I think. Didn't he get

20:13

death threats because he did a study of

20:15

thousands of cases of police interactions? And

20:17

it found out that really was no different. Rolling fryer,

20:20

I think. Yeah, and

20:22

he got rewarded for it with death threats. But it kind

20:24

of reminds me of that situation about two separate worlds that

20:26

exist for white and black Americans. I think there is a

20:28

difference. I

20:30

remember when Saturday Night Live decades ago was still

20:32

funny. They had this one classic skit where Eddie

20:35

Murphy dressed up and was put up in the

20:37

makeup as a white guy. So he said, OK,

20:39

what's it like being a white man in America?

20:41

So he gets on the bus and everyone's nice.

20:43

Soon as a black guy leaves, everyone has a

20:46

party. So the black guy gets on, everyone's quiet

20:48

again. Goes into a store and he tries to

20:50

pay for something. And the guy behind the counter

20:52

says, what are you doing? I'm paid for it. He

20:54

goes, no, no, no, take it. Take it. Take

20:56

it. There are people

20:58

that actually believe that that exists. Yes,

21:02

there are. Steve, I want to

21:05

move on to a topic I think you

21:07

would enjoy. You're in the

21:10

comedy like me. Shannon Sharp

21:13

had on the white comedian Gary Owen,

21:15

I believe, is his

21:17

name. And he's quite popular with

21:20

the community, as you like to say, Steve.

21:25

But Shannon Sharp is taking a lot

21:27

of blowback for this interview. And people are

21:30

coming up with reasons just to attack

21:32

Shannon Sharp time and time again. I

21:34

want to play just an excerpt of one

21:36

of the things Gary Owen said that the

21:39

griot or someone wrote about and how dare

21:41

Shannon Sharp allow this white man to say

21:43

this. Gary Owen, I think,

21:45

was previously married to a black woman, has

21:48

kids with her. I think

21:50

he's remarried another black woman. He

21:53

talks on this about his preference for

21:55

black women play the clip. Were

22:00

you always attracted to black women always it's

22:02

like being gay gay guys know

22:04

they're gay. Why they gay They don't know why they're

22:07

gay. They're just gay right same way always

22:09

like to from birth That

22:14

clip Irritated triggered the

22:16

griot among other things. He said

22:18

that there are there they're Mad

22:22

because the Shannon Sharpe like Gary

22:24

Owen Talk and

22:26

make jokes and analogies that really

22:28

only a black comedian is supposed

22:30

to be allowed to do and

22:33

Shannon Sharpe just continues to find himself

22:35

in the crosshairs and and

22:38

I think it's an example of like They're

22:42

gonna bring this dude down out of sheer

22:44

jealousy And this is we're looking at a

22:46

crab in the barrel example that we talk

22:48

about all the time And I can't believe

22:50

I'm on the other side of it I've

22:53

been the biggest Shannon Sharpe critic in the

22:55

media for his what he did

22:57

on undisputed But I've been celebrating him

22:59

for what he's doing on Club. Shae.

23:01

Shae because I have to admit it's

23:03

good. It's great It's entertaining. He has

23:06

a sense of humor. I like him

23:08

and Ocho Cinco on my cap But

23:10

the community is out to get Shannon

23:12

Sharpe Your thoughts now

23:15

wait a minute. So Gary is

23:18

a comedian of note Who

23:20

likes the sisters? So

23:22

is either a verse NFL first round

23:24

drop choice. It's the white guy

23:28

That dips into the Hershey, okay

23:32

the issue as

23:35

I was thinking about this subject. Um

23:39

You know what this reminds me of Jason the blowback that

23:41

he's getting and I mentioned to you a few days

23:43

ago I think it's really unfair what's happening to sharp

23:46

No matter what position he takes no matter who

23:48

he brings on no matter the tone of the

23:50

interview He's gonna get

23:52

blowback because if you try to please everybody

23:54

you please nobody But what

23:56

is happening to him and club. Shae Shae

23:58

reminds me a lot a lot of a show

24:00

that I'm sure me and you watched hundreds of episodes

24:03

in the late 80s, probably from 88 to about 91 at

24:05

its peak. Arsenio

24:09

Hall. I'm sure you

24:11

must have watched it Jason as much as I did. Arsenio

24:14

Hall, for those of you who are a lot

24:16

younger than us, and I am assuming we do

24:18

have a younger generation here on

24:20

Fearless, he was the antidote

24:22

to the Tonight Show. He was the

24:24

urban young black version of it and

24:26

everybody loved it. It was, all my

24:29

classmates watched it, but

24:31

Arsenio Hall was this

24:33

young, energetic, friendly face

24:35

that everybody loved and he was black. He

24:37

was the dog, the dog's got it. And

24:41

if you look at that audience, it was,

24:43

there was a mixture of people. It transcended

24:45

and it did very good ratings for about

24:47

three, four years. It was the Hot Show.

24:50

He'd bring on NWA. He'd bring

24:52

on Public Enemy. MC Hammer brought

24:54

all of Oakland. They did a set one

24:57

time. I mean, look, MC Hammer

24:59

went broke because of his entourage and it was worth

25:01

it. They did. Let's get it started. It was unbelievable.

25:04

He would bring on acts that

25:06

no one else would. A lot of

25:08

hip hop acts, a lot of R&B used

25:10

to bring on boxers all the time and

25:12

it was a great show and it was

25:14

funny. However, there came a

25:16

point and I think the point was when

25:19

he brought on the Minister Louis

25:21

Farrakhan. And at that point,

25:23

things started to change that it was too

25:25

black for certain parts of America, but other

25:27

parts of America that were black were saying,

25:29

no, no, now you're too mainstream. He couldn't

25:32

win, Jason. So you're either too militant

25:34

or you're too mainstream. And all Arsenio

25:36

wants to do is give us an

25:38

hour of entertainment. And he did that

25:40

very well. And eventually I

25:42

believe the downfall of

25:44

Arsenio Hall and that fine program, it

25:47

wasn't the white audience that had a problem with it. They

25:49

still enjoyed it. It was the other people.

25:54

Totally at Virgil. I know you know

25:56

Gary Owen. Yeah. I like

25:59

his comedy. funny i think

26:01

my i picked up on when we talk about

26:03

the black church he had a black girlfriend with

26:05

the black church in he didn't know he didn't

26:08

know that it was going to be long and

26:10

he talked about it was really really funny got

26:12

the guys hilarious i think the crabs in a

26:14

barrel situation with with uh... shannon sharp and club

26:16

shay shay he's been

26:19

shannon has tried to appeal to the

26:21

black community and now because

26:23

he's such a star everybody

26:25

wakes up now thinking about how they can

26:27

take them out and they're just trying to

26:29

gain attention following as a result and so

26:31

they're claiming to be upset this is this

26:33

is a this is false they they love

26:35

they love own when he's making jokes in

26:37

it but but when they see as an

26:40

opportunity to to elevate their platform now

26:42

they're now the taking shots in shannon shannon's go ahead

26:44

growth excuse me and deal with it it's

26:47

funny i can't and i know people

26:49

watching this but we've got what are

26:51

you doing you know cuz

26:53

i've questions some

26:55

things about shannon sharp the relationship

26:58

with the uh... hairdresser

27:00

or stylist right you know got a lot

27:02

of sugar in his tank and

27:04

and shame on the court yet and his uh...

27:07

judgment of or what

27:09

does that say that you know you're

27:11

traveling around and and again y'all know

27:13

how i am about the alphabet mafia

27:15

and the ritual in hollywood

27:17

of like if you want to be elevated you

27:20

better partner up with the alphabet crew right

27:24

i gotta move all that to the side

27:26

and just evaluate shannon sharp on what i'm

27:28

being on the show and

27:30

what i'm seeing on the show seems

27:33

authentic it's the real

27:35

shannon sharp it's

27:37

i complain the entire time behind the

27:39

scenes just grumbling the friends not to

27:41

anybody in importance when we worked at

27:44

fox force like look at this uh...

27:47

malcolm etch stick he's doing it's

27:49

not authentic this guy

27:51

on club chéché and on my cap

27:54

i think is being very authentic and

27:56

i'm just sorry it's very entertaining and

27:58

i'm sitting here shop like why can't

28:01

we enjoy this? Why can't we support

28:04

what he's doing? There's

28:06

an evolution that is taking place because if you go back, I

28:09

remember when you said that two things, I think it

28:11

was a while back you had on this show and

28:13

you kind of showed some of the shtick that

28:16

Shannon was involved in and Shannon

28:18

Sharpe did and it was real, you know, trying

28:20

to be cool and hip and embracing

28:23

kind of hip-hop culture. The Little Rag,

28:25

The Muntz, The Hennessy, all of that.

28:27

And then when you look at, because

28:29

he's had club ché ché for a while, but

28:31

if you watch where he

28:33

is now, there's an evolution that

28:36

is taking place of his ability

28:38

to properly interview, to come across

28:40

authentic, to still be him and

28:42

engage. It's really interesting to watch.

28:44

If you're a student of kind

28:46

of that evolution, you see it, you

28:48

see the difference and it's marked

28:50

now, it's a marked difference and

28:53

people recognize it. If they want to get to

28:55

that level, the best thing for the GRIO

28:57

or organizations like that to do is to

28:59

say, I hate this or this white

29:02

guy said this or somebody did that and in

29:04

order to elevate their platform, that's all this

29:06

is about. Steve, I'll give you the

29:08

final say and I got one more topic for you. Yeah,

29:10

a couple of things. Number one, Shannon's going to have

29:12

to be an armadillo. He's going to have to have

29:15

very tough skin and realize you're never going to please

29:17

everybody. You can't care. I actually looked at

29:19

that article of the GRIO and that author, I think

29:21

her name is Monique Jones. She seems to be one

29:23

of these people who doesn't realize not

29:25

everyone's going to have the same worldview as her.

29:27

She tries to tell black and white what to

29:29

think and if anyone

29:32

disagrees, then it becomes quote

29:34

unquote problematic. She seems to almost have

29:36

this God complex. Look, the only thing that I

29:38

would criticize Shannon for in the last couple of

29:40

months is having having

29:43

misinsuparable Amanda Seale. That's the only

29:45

thing I can really be critical

29:47

of. But the bottom line is this.

29:49

Here's the issue. You get

29:52

this a lot like who's this guy to say anything

29:54

about this community? I get this a lot because I'm

29:56

Asian and you know, last week or

29:58

so, I remember I was at Coaching. JB's house,

30:00

I was watching the fights, they're playing poker, and I wrote

30:02

a tweet and I said during

30:05

the whole Drake and Kendrick conflict, I

30:07

said, you know, I find rap beef

30:09

nowadays frivolous and silly, okay?

30:12

And they're also very dangerous, didn't put that, and

30:14

some black guy comes out, this conversation ain't for

30:17

you, and I said, yeah, it is for

30:19

anybody, it's pop culture. And he

30:21

said to me, you need to stay out of it,

30:23

and I said, I don't need to, but

30:26

I can stay in it if I want to, I can

30:28

talk about anything I want, and he said, well, what

30:31

if I start talking about Asian issues or K-pop? I

30:34

said, go ahead, I don't follow you, I'll never

30:36

hear it, I wouldn't take it seriously, just like

30:38

you don't have to take me seriously, and all

30:40

I said was, look, you are

30:43

free to unfollow, or I could

30:45

block you, it's fine. See,

30:47

you have to understand one thing, people

30:50

are going to disagree with you.

30:54

More and more, I find myself not blocking

30:56

people on Twitter or social media, I just

30:58

mute them. To me, it's

31:00

great, you get to listen to me and

31:02

I never get to hear you. It's a

31:04

complete advantage for me. But this whole notion

31:06

that somehow you shouldn't talk about

31:08

something, look, anyone that wants to talk

31:10

about the Asian community, go

31:13

ahead. It is your

31:15

first amendment right, it would not bother

31:17

me. Because number one, most likely, I

31:20

wouldn't care, which I don't. And number two, I'm

31:22

never going to listen to you, I don't follow

31:24

you. But Shannon's

31:26

got to be tough here and understand

31:29

that I have a

31:31

brand, I'm going to do me.

31:34

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31:36

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31:39

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33:04

Great point. The final topic

33:07

I want to bring up with you,

33:09

the NFL Accelerator Program. The

33:11

owner's meeting will be here in Nashville,

33:13

Tennessee next week. They started four or

33:16

five years ago with this NFL Accelerator

33:18

Program where they try to

33:20

put black coaches in a room with

33:22

ownership to accelerate their advancement

33:24

to head coaches. It

33:28

made news this year because Brian Flores,

33:30

who's suing the league, is

33:32

now going to participate in

33:34

the NFL Accelerator Program. There's

33:37

a multitude of reasons why I

33:39

think this is a mistake. All

33:42

it's going to do, and this is

33:44

what blows my mind about sports, it's like

33:46

the tradition of sports has been

33:48

about people putting their superficial petty

33:50

differences aside, coming together to work

33:52

together in a meritocracy and

33:55

for one goal. Because

33:58

the NFL has bought into the diversity,

34:00

equity, inclusion. Hey, we got to bend

34:02

over backwards for this certain segment because

34:04

they're complaining that they don't get jobs

34:07

because all these white owners that pay

34:09

the players, predominantly black, millions upon millions

34:11

of dollars, oh, they don't want

34:13

to pay a coach $5 million to be the

34:15

head coach. It's all a joke. I

34:18

just think it just sows

34:20

the seeds of

34:22

division within

34:24

football among the coaching fraternity.

34:27

You can't tell me that white coaches

34:29

aren't sitting around like, where's my accelerator

34:32

program? I want to be a head coach

34:34

too. Why can't we just get

34:36

out here and grind to go get it the way we always

34:38

have? It's, I

34:40

don't like the NFL accelerator program, but it's

34:43

the world they've created. Yeah,

34:46

but Jason, I will say this. I

34:49

would rather see former players of any

34:51

color get these

34:53

opportunities that they are deserved more

34:56

than women getting these highfalutin front

34:58

office jobs who never played the

35:00

game of football. I

35:03

mean, I made this point on Coach J.B. show

35:05

about four or five months ago before it was

35:07

official. I said, you know what? If the Raiders

35:09

are really about diversity and I know they have

35:11

this female president, I believe

35:13

she's black and in the tradition

35:16

of Amy Trask, Mark Davis wanted the virtue signal

35:18

that, right? And I said, okay, if you're all

35:21

about that, you make Antonio Pierce

35:23

your coach. You let him lead men as

35:25

a guy that put in a dozen years

35:27

in the National Football League. You

35:29

know, I will, I'm just gonna tell you, I'm

35:31

not saying that your point is wrong, but

35:34

I would much rather see former black

35:36

players who have put in the time, be

35:38

the leader of men on the sidelines and then

35:41

eventually work their way up to the front office

35:43

like an Ozzy Newsom, than a bunch

35:45

of women that have never played the game. You

35:48

may disagree with that, but that's my feeling.

35:52

You're talking my language. I

35:55

agree with all of that. a

36:00

special ed short bust for coaches. I

36:02

mean, that's what we're talking about. Like, you couldn't make

36:05

it for real, so we're gonna have a program to

36:07

help you to get into the room

36:09

with the right guys. It's just, it's silly, and

36:11

it creates a permanent second-class

36:13

citizenship as it relates to coaching.

36:16

It's really foolish. Steve, final

36:18

thought. I'm gonna let you go.

36:20

Yeah, speaking of the whole issue of black

36:22

coaches, Jason and Virgil, I don't

36:24

know if you know this, you know the whole

36:26

UCLA football staff this year, led by Deshaun Foster,

36:28

former Bruin Great, you know

36:30

the whole staff is black? I

36:33

find that to be fascinating. I actually think

36:35

it's a more interesting story than Deion Sanders.

36:38

Wow, I did not know that, that is interesting.

36:40

Yeah, the whole staff top to bottom is black,

36:43

and I'm thinking, wow, now this is bold. This

36:45

is putting your money where your mouth is, and

36:48

look, Deion's Deon. It's a brand, we don't know

36:50

how long he's gonna be there. Foster

36:52

is a young man out of Tustin, California.

36:55

I remember his career very well during

36:57

the Cade-McNown era, and

37:00

had a nice NFL career, and they're trying something

37:02

bold, because UCLA is a program that

37:05

has great tradition, but they have certain

37:07

limitations based on the budget, what they

37:09

can do, and now they're

37:11

working into a big super conference, and

37:13

look, I like it. Let's see what they can do. I

37:16

believe that if you really care about

37:19

the movement of black coaches, it's

37:22

just 98% of the focus just can't be

37:24

on the guy in Boulder, Colorado. To

37:27

me, you need to show Foster and that

37:29

staff to do great work, and

37:31

then show that, hey, look, this can work, that

37:34

if you get qualified men of any color,

37:36

you could advance this particular movement. I just

37:38

thought I'd throw that out there. Thank

37:42

you, Steve. Great job. That's

37:44

it, and that's all from

37:47

us. I think I hear Tamara playing. That

37:49

means we'll see you next week. I'll

38:31

be free.