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Updated Rankings! Achane a Big Loser? How High for Harrison? (04/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Updated Rankings! Achane a Big Loser? How High for Harrison? (04/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Updated Rankings! Achane a Big Loser? How High for Harrison? (04/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Updated Rankings! Achane a Big Loser? How High for Harrison? (04/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Updated Rankings! Achane a Big Loser? How High for Harrison? (04/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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The NFL Draft in the books Saturday

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show was terrific. Big shout out to Jamie

1:41

Heath and Chris Trepasso for telling us what

1:43

we needed to know about all of the

1:45

day three guys. And now we'll you know,

1:47

we've had some time to digest a little

1:49

bit sleep on it. And now we'll discuss

1:51

Adam Azer with the three guys, Jamie Eisenberg,

1:53

Heath Cummings and Dave Richard is here as

1:55

well. We've got rankings risers and followers. We'll

1:58

tell you about where the rookies are. are

2:00

in the rankings, where

2:02

they're going to be. As Heath and

2:04

Dave will give their rankings risers and

2:06

followers, Jamie will react. We also have

2:09

Ezekiel Elliott signing with the Dallas Cowboys

2:11

and some more news from around the

2:13

NFL. And Heath, who's

2:15

your biggest rankings riser

2:18

from after the NFL Draft?

2:21

You're going to hate me so much. First off, I'd just like

2:23

to say I like Jamie's position better. Can

2:25

I just go to be the guy that's just going

2:27

to react to the other guy's rankings? I think that's

2:29

more fun. I'll

2:32

just be honest, the biggest riser for the weekend was

2:34

Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah,

2:38

I don't buy. I mean, from nowhere to somewhere.

2:40

Right. Like he was outside of my top 50 running

2:43

backs. He's definitely going to be a top 36 running

2:45

back now. He

2:48

might even get close to 30,

2:50

somewhere in that 30 to 36 range. And

2:53

I would guess there's going to be a stretch

2:55

of like six weeks this year where we're starting

2:57

Ezekiel Elliott. Do you

2:59

know where he ranked among running backs in the

3:01

last six games of the season last year? Cop

3:04

eight? Yeah, exactly. He was seventh and

3:06

half PPR, eighth and full PPR. He

3:09

had the most catches among running backs. He

3:11

averaged three yards per carry in that stretch.

3:14

But he had 31 catches in six games.

3:16

That included the game in which Stevenson

3:18

got hurt. All right,

3:20

so Ezekiel Elliott. That was like the worst offense in football too,

3:23

though. Yes, it was. Is

3:26

he obviously, OK, if you had to bet

3:28

right now, who gets the first

3:30

carry of the season for the Cowboys? Is it

3:33

Zeke or is it someone else? Zeke.

3:36

Someone else. Two Zekes and

3:38

a someone else. Plan B

3:42

on YouTube says, in what round are you

3:44

interested in drafting Ezekiel Elliott? No.

3:48

Seven. Seven. OK,

3:51

Dave, you're not biated, it sounds like. He's

3:54

going to share. And he

3:56

could very easily share. All it takes is for

3:59

one running back. who can have some

4:01

explosion in his game to absolutely

4:04

render Ezekiel Elliott into a Passing

4:07

downs back maybe a guy that scores

4:10

Seven times this year maybe

4:13

catches 35 to 45 passes. I'm not saying

4:15

that there isn't a place for him on

4:17

draft day I'm just saying that I

4:20

don't really want to trust him on my

4:22

fantasy team as a regular starter Why

4:25

not? Guys said around seven

4:27

on Zeke Jamie hit he Yeah,

4:31

I mean I think I can name 12 other guys not

4:33

necessarily running backs But other players that I would take in

4:36

round seven. Oh, I'm not saying I'm taking around seven. That's

4:38

why I would start to consider Okay,

4:41

why like Brian Robinson or Ezekiel

4:43

Elliott? the

4:47

And I think Robinson's around seven pick Aaron

4:50

Jones is probably gonna be right around there. We're Mondrae's

4:52

gonna be right around there on the go ahead of

4:54

around him I think remind you of my head

4:56

around seven two. I Don't

4:58

know if they I don't know if they should those guys are

5:00

better than Robinson. They're better than Zeke I

5:03

think there's gonna be some okay Here's one more running back

5:05

and I know I said this is gonna be other running

5:07

back other non running backs that are better Than Zeke where

5:09

he most are or Zeke Difference

5:15

of opinion Adam there's 85 guys in

5:17

Miami now All

5:19

right. So that's the thing. I mean is just Jalen Wright

5:22

Changing it because my thought was He's

5:25

probably no I was in that he could I

5:27

think there's a good chance that right who the

5:29

Dolphins drafted him with a fourth round Or fifth

5:31

round. Sorry, they spent a day to pick on

5:34

them, right was round four No,

5:36

but they spent a day to pick to get him Okay,

5:39

I don't quite know what that means They

5:41

spent a round three pick in

5:44

2025 to draft him in round

5:46

four of 2024 Yeah

5:48

They're looking at someone who's gonna be a playmaker

5:50

for them this year and obviously part of their

5:53

tandem moving forward once Rehimo sir stuck right

5:55

that's the thing like I feel like he's he's not going

5:58

to play until one of the other guys guys

6:00

gets hurt. So, but

6:04

it might be a situation where we're looking

6:06

at a split when most are

6:08

in a HN are healthy. And we're looking

6:10

at a split if most or HN gets

6:13

hurt. Because because right

6:15

just moves into that spot. So the injury

6:17

upside that those guys had when the other

6:19

one got hurt is lessened. I

6:22

already love the idea of drafting most

6:24

shirt and right to

6:26

the same fantasy team. Okay.

6:28

All right, let's move on. Dave, who's your

6:31

biggest rankings riser? I

6:33

got to give it to Zameer White. Looks like

6:35

he's going to survive the off season and be

6:38

the lead running back for the Las Vegas Raiders.

6:40

Did a great job to end last year. This

6:42

is a Raiders team that improved their offensive line.

6:45

They're going to have Brock Bowers to further take

6:48

some safeties out of the box

6:50

against them. And they want to be run heavy

6:52

and they're going to use two tight ends all the time.

6:55

So I think that Zameer White has earned a place

6:58

maybe even as a top 60 pick, if

7:00

not higher, I'd love to hear where Jamie and he

7:02

reranked them, but I've got them right

7:04

on the end of round five, beginning of round

7:06

six. I think I had

7:08

him with a four or five turns. So I

7:10

was, he was my other guy that I was

7:13

going to say at the biggest, does the biggest

7:15

riser. So he's definitely like, we're going to get

7:17

all the dead zone arguments against him. And they

7:19

sometimes those guys do get

7:21

all the work that we're protecting. They're going to, and

7:23

they end up being values because they're pulled down. Um,

7:26

but man, I said

7:28

it last week. I think this team is going to

7:30

run the ball a ton. And I think that Zameer

7:32

white's going to be the lead back. Zameer

7:36

white in the last four games of the season, he

7:38

was on pace for 357 carries and

7:43

almost 1700 yards, also 38

7:45

catches. They drafted Dylan Lauby. I know

7:48

there was some confusion about

7:50

how to pronounce his name. That's how we're going. It's lobby.

7:52

It's a lobby. I, well, I heard it as lobby or

7:54

lobby, but I heard it as well. I would guess there's

7:56

going to be some confusion about how to pronounce his name

7:58

like three months from now. Well, the

8:01

thing is I mean he does figure to

8:03

be if anything a pass catcher. He

8:06

is a fun player He really stood out

8:08

the senior bowl He's

8:10

a lot more of a pass catcher than

8:12

a runner. Yeah, that's all and

8:14

I could see him He's gonna

8:17

be one of about 14

8:19

running backs that were drafted who could be a

8:21

factor on special teams, but he

8:24

could also be their third down back pretty quickly I

8:27

don't see him taking carries away from Zamir

8:29

white I also don't know how many carries

8:31

Alexander Madison will take away from Zamir

8:33

white all the more reason why Zamir

8:35

white has really Catapulted himself into

8:38

the round five conversation Alright,

8:40

by the way FFT dynasty This is a

8:42

big week because we're mostly gonna talk about

8:44

the rookie values and the veteran values in

8:49

2024 you got to listen to FFT

8:51

dynasty if you want some dynasty help

8:53

and figure out who's the who are

8:55

the Gems that maybe they won't contribute

8:57

much this year, but they could have

8:59

big futures ahead of them So listen

9:01

to FFT dynasty Tuesdays and Fridays. You

9:03

can watch it youtube.com/fantasy football today You

9:05

can watch all of our shows FFT

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and five FFT FFT dynasty youtube.com/fantasy football

9:09

today Who is the

9:11

biggest faller in your rankings Dave Richard? Pick

9:15

up Bears receiver And

9:18

I don't know if they're necessarily the

9:20

biggest faller because I'm gonna be pretty

9:22

anti a Chan But

9:24

in fact, I'd like to change my answer Davani

9:29

a Chan, okay. Yeah because

9:31

of the right signing and Jamie's

9:34

right like right is more for the future than for

9:36

now, but I think They

9:38

will learn that right can actually

9:41

work on passing down He was a pretty

9:43

good pass blocker at Tennessee he's

9:45

a good receiver and he's got he's

9:47

got what you need to be a running back

9:49

in Miami and that's track speed and Just

9:52

the decision that they made to move up to

9:54

get him and use future capital to get Jalen

9:56

right man It just I think

9:58

that tells the story about how they feel

10:00

about their running backs in general that

10:02

they wanted to add this guy. And

10:05

so I am extremely nervous. Where were

10:07

we taking H-M before, guys? Like round

10:09

three? Maybe late round two? No,

10:12

I can't do it anymore. Well, that's the thing. I had

10:14

him, I think, at RB 20 before the draft. I'm

10:18

not too my own horn. I didn't think the Dolphins

10:20

were going to draft someone. I just was really scared

10:22

off by the way the Dolphins used him in the

10:24

playoffs at the end of the year last year. And

10:26

it's games that were not blowouts, really. And

10:29

so I'm wondering, did you drop him to

10:31

where you're like where I am? Or did

10:33

you drop him further? Is it RB 20

10:35

range about right? Yeah, it's right around there.

10:38

He might even be a little bit ahead

10:40

of 20 among the running backs in full

10:42

PPR. But I'm still, yeah, not

10:45

excited. I don't want to spend even around four pick on

10:47

him now. The

10:50

counter here, you don't want to spend

10:52

around four pick on Devaun H-M. Wow. The

10:54

counter here is this. This

10:59

was a bad running back class. And this

11:01

guy was drafted in the fourth round. And

11:03

fourth round picks usually don't

11:06

really factor in as rookies.

11:08

I mean, quite frankly, they usually don't

11:10

have very good careers. But

11:12

we have had Remondre Stevenson, Damian

11:14

Pierce in recent seasons, Roshan

11:16

Johnson. Roshan Johnson was a fourth round

11:18

pick last year. And people made a

11:21

big stink about him. And

11:23

it kind of stunk. So he had a

11:25

role. Not going to say he didn't have a

11:27

role, but he never came anywhere near becoming the

11:29

starting running back there, which I know you're not

11:31

projecting for Jaylen Wright. But what I'm saying is

11:34

fourth round running backs, I think the day after

11:36

the NFL draft, you can sort of overrate them.

11:38

They typically- He's a third round running back

11:41

item because they traded a third round pick in 2025. I

11:43

mean, that is a weird trade, by the way. But

11:46

so it is not a bad point by Dave. They gave

11:48

up a third- I think he's being sarcastic, Dave. What's that?

11:50

I think he's being sarcastic. I understand

11:52

that. But I actually think Dave made a good

11:55

point in bringing that up. No, I do too.

11:57

I was being sarcastic, and I think it's a

11:59

good point. But I think the part of

12:01

the reason I bring it up is if you call this a

12:03

third round pick Asian was a third round pick

12:05

last year. Yeah, I know I Fourth

12:07

round picks typically don't do that much. That's it. That's why

12:10

you could look at them They're on the roster, but I

12:12

don't know that exactly this is also

12:14

a team I think this is a guy who'll play

12:16

on special teams. This is also a guy that They're

12:20

they're starting running back even though we

12:22

haven't been drafting it is 31 years old I

12:25

mean, you know this this is not necessarily

12:28

an indication of this year This is an

12:30

indication of more for the future. Okay,

12:32

so it's a panic on a Chan I think is a little

12:34

bit too crazy, but I'm

12:36

more I'm panicking in terms of this year

12:39

Dynasty is a different story, but this

12:41

year not only I think

12:43

it's gonna come down to this no matter the situation

12:47

There's gonna be a split among running backs

12:49

in Miami McDaniel talked about it last

12:51

year We saw it last year Heath

12:53

mentioned months ago that when a Chan

12:55

got work it was mostly

12:57

in blowout situations and it

12:59

was blowout wins more than blowout losses and So

13:02

even if most her goes down Jamie

13:04

if right knows what he's doing He

13:07

will see the field a good amount with

13:09

a Chan and a Chan had

13:11

a hard time staying healthy last year So

13:13

look I get it. He's super efficient and

13:15

he was awesome He did

13:17

it against the worst run defenses in the league. I'm

13:20

just I'm nervous to spend I don't know where you're

13:22

taking him Jamie, but let's just say round four I'm

13:25

worried to spend that type of capital on a

13:27

Chan knowing that he may never get the type

13:29

of workload that we would want Okay,

13:33

he's who's your big I'll

13:35

try David Montgomery over

13:37

Devani. Oh, all right He's

13:39

who's your favorite? Who's your biggest follower?

13:44

Biggest follower is Probably

13:48

I'll go with what Dave said the

13:50

Bears wide receivers I

13:52

think DJ Moore is the one I'd

13:54

already kind of been out on Keenan

13:56

Allen And so

13:59

I'm really out on Keenan Allen now. And

14:01

I think DJ Moore, who was in that,

14:04

like, which wide receivers do we want to

14:06

draft in round two conversation is not in

14:08

that conversation for me anymore. Probably

14:10

more of a round four or round five pick now.

14:12

And I think it is a

14:15

real question mark who the number one wide

14:17

receiver for the Chicago Bears is going to

14:19

be week one. And

14:22

especially like week 10. Ist,

14:27

would you move Devontae

14:29

Smith, T Higgins and Jalen Waddle?

14:32

I always go back to that disappointing trio

14:34

from last year. And I feel

14:36

like we were taking DJ Moore consistently ahead

14:38

of them in mock drafts this

14:41

year, you know, after free agency. But

14:43

now with the addition of Roma Dunze,

14:45

would you move Devontae Smith, T Higgins

14:47

and Jalen Waddle ahead of DJ Moore?

14:53

I would. I wouldn't, but

14:55

it's very close. Two

14:57

of those three. Yes, not Devontae Smith. Not

15:00

Devontae Smith. Okay. All

15:02

right. Those are some risers and followers. We will

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have more for you in a little bit. We

15:07

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17:17

and notes, Tank Del was shot. Thankfully

17:19

not seriously injured. Hopefully a quick recovery

17:21

for him and everyone else involved there.

17:24

Boys signed Ezekiel Elliott. He'll be 29 years

17:26

old in July. And I

17:28

mentioned after the Mondra Stevenson injury, he

17:30

was a top 10 running back. I

17:33

think I said he was seventh and eighth. He was ninth

17:35

and half PPR. He was eighth in full PPR. The

17:38

Jaguars picked up fifth year options on

17:40

Trevor Lawrence and Travis ETN. And

17:43

Lawrence, no surprise there. Jamie, any surprise at all

17:45

in your mind that they picked up the fifth

17:47

year option on Travis ETN? And what do you

17:49

think that says about him? I think it

17:51

says that they're committed to him being their lead guy. And

17:54

we talk about this with NFL Draft Capital.

17:56

Was this more of an indication, the

17:58

running back they selected? on Tank Bigsby and

18:01

Deir Nis Johnson, or was it more of an indication on what

18:03

they feel about ETN? I think they're telling you what they think

18:05

about Travis ETN, that he's still going to be their their

18:08

lead runner. They'll take some work off of him, but I think

18:10

that was always part of the conversation was they want to make

18:12

sure he's healthy toward the end of the season if they're going

18:14

to make a playoff run. And by

18:16

doing that, they'll, you know, alleviate some of

18:18

the work he has during the season. So

18:20

he's still a very solid round two pick

18:22

in my mind. There was a pretty healthy

18:24

debate, I think, in Dynasty between and probably

18:27

still is between ETN and HN. And

18:30

I'm on the ETN side of that and

18:32

feel better about it after this

18:34

weekend. They're both still

18:37

top 10 Dynasty running backside. Am

18:39

I the only one who thinks that

18:41

this Trevor Lawrence contract negotiation could get

18:43

really interesting? Like this

18:46

is the year when Burrow, Herbert, all those

18:48

guys got locked up. I

18:50

wonder if Lawrence's goes more like Lamars did. And we've

18:52

got a little bit of acrimony.

18:55

I wonder if he wants out of there. Like it's

18:58

been such a disaster for him.

19:02

I think he's going to end up

19:04

having just a massive contract. It's

19:06

not like – I think he's going to get paid higher

19:09

than what his performance has been. He's probably

19:11

going to want a Herbert deal, right? I

19:14

want a Herbert deal. No,

19:17

he might get – I think he's going to get it. I think

19:19

he's going to get – I think he probably wants a – I

19:21

don't know about Herbert. – a Watson deal. I mean, they all do.

19:23

But yeah. I think he's going to

19:25

get paid like a star is basically what I'm saying. Yeah, of

19:27

course he is. He hasn't been one. But

19:29

hopefully that will change. All right,

19:32

more news and notes. Falcons

19:35

head coach Raheem Morris said Kirk Cousins does not

19:37

have to look over his shoulder after they drafted

19:39

Michael Penix. The Broncos expect

19:41

Bonex to play right away, according

19:43

to ESPN's Dan Graziano. The

19:45

Vikings are still working on signing Justin

19:47

Jefferson to a new contract. The Eagles

19:49

sign former Jets offensive tackle Micaie Becton.

19:52

The Raiders' GM Tom Telesco said that Michael Mayer is

19:54

an excellent tight end and there is no rule in

19:56

the NFL that you can only play one – Dave,

20:01

do you think that Michael Mayer's presence drags

20:04

down the value and the production of Brock Bowers in

20:06

fantasy? No, not that much. Okay.

20:14

It is a low-key, crowded receiving

20:17

core in Vegas now, and

20:19

that might drag down Bowers, but I still think Bowers will be second on the team in

20:21

targets. Do you have Bowers top 12? Oh,

20:25

yeah. Okay.

20:31

Hey, Tim. I

20:33

think I've got him 12th, but man,

20:36

I don't feel comfortable with it. I

20:38

do think between Adams and

20:40

Joby Myers and Michael Mayer's going to

20:42

play plenty.

20:45

I'm not sure if Bowers will be second. Right. I thought

20:48

that was pretty interesting that, you know, it's going to be

20:50

him or Myers. Right.

20:53

Okay. Broncos

20:55

made, I think, probably a pretty good trade.

20:57

They got defensive end John Franklin Myers from

20:59

the Jets for a sixth-round pick in 2026.

21:04

So he's a good player. The Jets needed to get rid

21:06

of his salary after they acquired his son, Rhettick, from the

21:08

Eagles. And the Steelers intend

21:11

to use first-round pick Troy

21:13

Fatoutanu at offensive tackle. There

21:15

was some thought that maybe he'd play inside,

21:17

but they planned to play him at tackle.

21:20

And they also drafted center Zach Frazier in

21:22

round two. Did they happen

21:24

to say which tackle spot for Fatoutanu?

21:28

Well, no. I didn't see that.

21:30

But they're a rookie from last year. Roger Jones

21:32

was playing right tackle. Was

21:34

he playing left tackle? He was,

21:37

but I think they drafted him with the

21:39

intention of him eventually being their left tackle.

21:41

Okay. I do not know. One thing

21:43

I do know is that Dave and Heath gave me a

21:45

list of risers, and neither of you had Najee Harris on

21:47

there. You could say he was

21:49

a draft winner, right? They drafted two offensive

21:52

linemen. I don't know. But

21:55

no. The offseason's kind of

21:57

gone his way, right? Look at the offensive

21:59

coordinator chain. The

22:01

additions that they made at quarterback and wide

22:03

receiver don't suggest that they want to have

22:05

huge firepower and become a

22:07

dominant passing offense. And they've

22:10

both up the offensive line. What,

22:12

why would it be Najee Harris and Najee Lynn Warren as

22:14

the winner though? Unfortunately, My

22:18

problem is I, I, I don't have

22:20

a strong feeling. I've kind of

22:22

gone back and forth, but they're always within two spots of each

22:24

other in the rankings. And I think

22:26

it's like a 50 50 shot. Warren could be better. It

22:29

feels like Tomlin still wants Najee to be the

22:31

running downs guy, which is the problem for Jalen

22:33

Warren. Okay,

22:36

let's go to Heath's risers then. And

22:39

there's also Cordeiro Patterson there too with Arthur Smith. Oh

22:42

yeah. That, that, that, well yeah, they're losers.

22:46

Over under 15 carries for Cordeiro Patterson this

22:49

year. Over. Over.

22:52

For the season? Yeah, yeah. For my week

22:54

two. He's a special teams guy. Like they,

22:56

they should not use him. Well,

22:59

I mean the Falcons should not have used him last year and they

23:01

did. Uh, 40 carries,

23:03

40 carries for Patterson. Oh,

23:05

scary part is that. I'm curious by

23:07

week two is not that much of

23:09

an exaggeration. All right, let's

23:11

go to Heath's risers here. Patrick Mahomes

23:13

and Kyler Murray are your quarterback risers.

23:16

Is Mahomes number one? Is

23:18

Kyler Murray top

23:20

eight? Mahomes

23:22

is number one. And I

23:24

believe, let me just verify, I believe Kyler

23:26

Murray is QB eight. So you nailed both

23:29

of those Adam. Um,

23:31

listen, I think I'm probably going to

23:33

be more excited about what Xavier Worthy does for

23:35

Mahomes and for the Chiefs than I am about

23:38

drafting Xavier Worthy and redraft this year. But

23:41

I do think that you look, it's if

23:43

Rashi Rice plays 14, 15 games this year, it might

23:48

be the best set of weapons that Patrick Mahomes has

23:50

ever had. I

23:53

just, I like that. Look

23:55

at the top four quarters. Sorry,

23:58

delay on that. What

24:00

are you talking about? I

24:02

was, I was Xing out. He's, uh, might be

24:04

the best weapons his, my home's has ever had.

24:07

But yeah, go ahead, Dave. Yeah, that's right.

24:09

D. Kelsey, Sammy Watkins, I'll take that trio over

24:11

what he has right now. Right. Like,

24:14

that's a spicy meatball. But think about what's happened

24:16

to Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, and

24:18

Lamar Jackson this off-season. And

24:21

then think about what's happened to my home's. I think that's the case

24:23

for my home's to be QB1. Well,

24:26

what happened to Hurts? What happened to Hurts

24:28

and Jackson? He's there. Oh,

24:31

what about Jackson? I don't

24:33

think that's going to hurt Jalen Hurts at all.

24:37

I don't think it's going to hurt him. Make him like a top score back. Um,

24:42

I think the loss of Kelsey and the potential change

24:44

in the touch push that you might

24:47

hurt. I think Barclays presence will hurt a little

24:49

bit because, you know, 15 rushing touchdowns, maybe goes

24:51

down to 12 or 10. You

24:56

know, with also a touch

24:58

push less touchdown or two as

25:01

well. You know, so his passing

25:03

might improve. Yeah,

25:05

my home's one for me. Is

25:08

Allen a slam dunk two for anybody? No.

25:12

No, I have my home's hurt, Talen. I

25:14

don't know how to hurt Jackson, Allen. I don't know how to hurt

25:16

Jalen. I saw Alan there for now, but I'm weighing

25:18

it. He could fall as far as four. By the way,

25:20

just to clarify, they didn't get rid of the touch

25:22

push. I think Jamie is concerned that without Jamie. No,

25:24

no, no. That the touch push will change

25:27

for the Eagles without Kelsey. Yeah, right. So

25:29

I'm saying, okay. And,

25:31

uh, Kyler Murray is eighth. Who'd you

25:33

move him ahead of? He's Jordan

25:37

Love. And I

25:40

think I moved both him and Anthony Richardson

25:42

up because Richardson is nine. So

25:44

I know I moved him just ahead of Richardson too.

25:47

So Love and Richardson. Stroud

25:49

ahead of them? Yes. Okay.

25:53

Zemir White is a riser for you. Dave already mentioned

25:55

that. Ezekiel Elliott is a riser for you. Do you

25:57

have anything else you want to say about Zemir White

25:59

and Ezekiel Elliott? No. No.

26:02

Okay, I'll just

26:05

say this about Samir White, just to

26:07

get a conversation going here, because it

26:09

was mentioned maybe getting him in round four,

26:12

and I talk about this,

26:15

okay, well, we're not sure this running back's

26:17

very good, but he's got

26:19

this great opportunity, probably not going

26:21

to be the past catching running back, right? Like, you

26:23

really need him to have a lot of carries. Samir

26:26

White, for example, let me see,

26:28

104 carries, he had two carries

26:30

that were longer than 16 yards,

26:33

both against terrible run defenses. So

26:35

I do think that he could be one of those players where people are like, well,

26:38

I don't know how good he is, man. I

26:40

get nervous taking a guy like that in the

26:42

fourth round. I think the lesson I learned from

26:44

last year was because, you know, Alexander

26:46

Madison was a player. He's

26:48

innocent. He is, but Rashad White, I mean, I felt

26:50

kind of the same way about Rashad White. I knew

26:53

that he was going to catch more passes, but I

26:55

thought Rashad White stunk wouldn't be a very good fantasy

26:57

back. I didn't want him, but Rashad White was going

26:59

so much later than Alexander Madison in drafts. So

27:02

that's the thing about White. It's like, I don't

27:04

know, you know, I thought right now. Round

27:06

five is probably better. Round five

27:08

would be the earliest for me. But yes, I mean, I'm

27:11

not saying he's Madison in the same vein

27:14

as the same player, but it's the same

27:16

situation. I mean, it's a very small sample size of

27:18

a guy getting an opportunity. And

27:20

will he completely take advantage of

27:23

it? Now, he looked good in

27:25

those four games. You know, he showed he could be a pass catcher when

27:27

they threw him the ball. He showed he could be a

27:29

workhorse type running back. And it doesn't

27:31

seem like things are going to change based

27:34

on what they added, ironically

27:36

enough, Alexander Madison. But

27:38

you know, it's also I wonder

27:41

how we would feel about Zameer White better

27:44

or worse if the quarterback situation

27:46

was different. Right. Because it doesn't feel

27:48

like while they didn't trade Devontae Adams

27:50

and they spend the draft capital on Brock Bowers

27:52

and Jacoby Myers is still there. They've just said,

27:54

you know, crowd receiving court, you know, so there's

27:57

a lot of weapons there that are very attractive

27:59

in the past. But it's still either

28:01

going to be Gardner-Mentschuh or

28:04

Aiden O'Connell. And that's not exactly

28:06

screaming, hey, we want to be a pass happy

28:08

type of team. And I

28:10

do think that one difference

28:12

between White and Madison last year

28:14

is that we thought the Vikings

28:17

were going to throw the ball the most in the

28:19

NFL. And I think most of us think the Raiders

28:21

are going to be more run heavy than the average

28:23

NFL team. Totally. And

28:26

there are a lot more rush attempts per

28:28

game available for the lead back. Yeah, totally.

28:30

All right. Dave's risers are Marvin Harrison. You

28:32

know, honestly, I don't think I was clear

28:34

with you guys about rookie

28:37

rankings. I didn't really ask for those, but hopefully you

28:39

have them sort of handy. At least Heath and Dave.

28:41

I know Jamie's going to publish his rankings soon. But

28:44

Marvin Harrison is one of Dave's risers and Zamir

28:46

White is the other one. So where are we

28:48

ranking Marvin Harrison, Dave Richard? I

28:50

have a hard time keeping him out of around two. And

28:53

so the reason why I said that he was a riser is

28:55

because before the draft, no question

28:58

about a top 15 type of fantasy receiver, no

29:00

doubt about it. A round three

29:02

guy. I think I said like toward the end of

29:04

round three, or maybe I said like right around 30th

29:06

overall for Harrison. Dude,

29:08

I feel like that there are eight

29:11

stud receivers that I've got no questions

29:13

about. Yep. And then after that,

29:15

you can make the case for Harrison,

29:17

Davante, either of

29:19

the Niners wide receivers, Olave,

29:21

Drake, London, maybe Mike

29:24

Evans, but that's a

29:26

tier. That's a group and Harrison is

29:28

squarely in it. And I

29:30

could absolutely see the case where Harrison is at the

29:33

top of it, but it goes back to another theme

29:35

that I'm going to have all season long. Everybody

29:38

has to take a drink every time I say

29:40

you don't want to draft a guy too high to

29:43

too close to a ceiling. And that might be the

29:45

case if we're taking Harrison at like 20th

29:47

overall. So I'm not there yet, but

29:49

I'm struggling keeping him out of late round

29:51

two. He's 22nd

29:54

overall for me. Overall.

29:56

Oh, okay. So I am not struggling. We

29:58

got him there. You've

30:00

got him ahead of the guy who is

30:02

generally the low-key Helen rookies He's

30:05

wide receiver nine. You mentioned there's

30:07

eight stud wide receivers. You've done

30:09

that I assume they were lamb

30:11

Jefferson Chase Tyreke among raw AJ

30:13

Brown Pukanukua and Garrett Wilson held

30:15

it Those are the eight wide

30:17

receivers that I have ahead of

30:19

Harrison And I think that you

30:21

could like there's people you could make an argument

30:23

for in full PPR Maybe you put Michael Pittman

30:26

or if Mike Evans wasn't so old I'd probably

30:28

have Mike Evans ahead of him after what he

30:30

did last year with Baker Mayfield, but I

30:33

There's nobody else that I think is a surefire pick

30:35

over Harrison Why is

30:38

Garrett Wilson? I mean, I would take

30:40

Wilson over him I think but but you know

30:42

why you know, why is that is that an easy

30:44

call to take Garrett Wilson over Marvin Harrison? No,

30:49

okay, it is for me. Yeah, it is why did why

30:51

Jamie? Well, I think first off,

30:53

you know, it's We've

30:56

seen some rookies come in and have big seasons I'll

30:59

take the third year guy over the rookies just having a little

31:01

bit more of established, you know understanding of the league Plus

31:04

his quarterbacks not gonna run around in the pocket

31:06

and leave like Garrett Wilson the guy is who's not

31:09

gonna run at all So I think the

31:11

targets will favor him and the upside will favor him just for

31:13

at least year Okay, and

31:15

Dave is it an easy call Garrett Wilson over over? Marvin

31:19

Harrison for now. Yes. I Got

31:22

an interesting Twix poll up. I just

31:25

published it as Dave was talking which

31:27

wide receiver Are you drafting first? Devontae

31:29

Adams Chris Olave Drake London Marvin

31:32

Harrison? Yeah,

31:34

I mean it's only 50 votes. Let's see Shaffer's

31:37

got 12 votes there on his screen. I got 50

31:39

40. I've got 87 87. All right, what do we

31:41

got? What are the results?

31:43

Harrison at 34% Adams at 25 London at 23 Olave at 18 Yeah,

31:51

maybe the most interesting part of that is Olave being

31:53

dead last but okay We'll we'll come back to that

31:55

in a little bit. Please remind me Shaffer to check

31:57

on that. I always forget to do that How

32:00

about some rankings? Fallers. Heath,

32:02

you have – this is a bigger list here. Well,

32:04

we've talked about the Bears wide receivers. Dave had them

32:07

as Fallers as well. He mentioned them at the top

32:09

of the show. James

32:11

Connor and Chuba Hubbard. Okay.

32:13

Why is James Connor a Faller for you

32:16

and Chuba Hubbard? Obviously, they

32:18

took Jonathan Brooks. But yeah, go ahead. James

32:21

Connor, you think he's got some serious competition here? I

32:24

think he has some serious competition here, yes. I

32:26

was kind of viewing it as James Connor is

32:28

going to be a top five running back for

32:31

11 games, and then he's going to miss a

32:33

third of the season. And now it

32:35

might be that he's not quite a

32:38

full-feature running back. And

32:40

there is at least some risk that James

32:42

Connor at his age just gets outperformed the

32:44

first month of the season and

32:46

isn't the starting running back at some point this

32:48

season. He was a round five, six

32:50

pick for me before this. No

32:53

earlier than round seven now, and I don't even love it

32:55

there. So they drafted

32:57

Trey Benson in the third round, 66th overall.

33:00

So it sounds like an easy call for

33:02

he says it's easy call for everyone to

33:04

take Zamir White right now over James Connor.

33:07

Yes. Yes. Yeah.

33:10

Connor though, man, he's been so damn

33:12

good. And especially with

33:15

Kyler Murray, I mean, that's like

33:17

his guy throws to him, scores

33:19

touchdowns. Yeah. Okay. You

33:22

know me. I like to play devil's

33:24

advocate. Well, and there might be like, there

33:26

might be a, okay. Okay. Okay.

33:29

Okay. Okay. Okay.

33:32

Okay. Okay. He's never

33:34

seen that. No. Rishi

33:37

Rice. We're talking

33:39

about Rishi Rice now. He's one of your followers. This

33:43

isn't just the Xavier Worthy thing. It's also the

33:45

fact that like some of the reporting that came

33:47

out in the last week, I was

33:50

viewing it as Rishi. What rice is going to

33:52

get suspended probably zero to three games. And

33:55

now it sounds like a multi-game suspension is the

33:57

floor. And

33:59

I'm so I now I'm. looking at it more in the

34:01

three to six game range or two to

34:03

four game range. He

34:06

was a borderline top 12 wide receiver for me

34:08

at one point. He is now wide receiver 28

34:11

in round five. What

34:14

have been, there have

34:16

been some pretty obvious speeding

34:19

traffic car wreck

34:22

stuff, right? Between

34:24

rugs and, like they flowers had an issue. No,

34:27

I was taken. Things

34:29

got dropped. So I think – But I'm saying like

34:31

I wonder like if this is just the NFL tired

34:33

of these guys doing this and – So

34:36

stupid. It's

34:39

so stupid and like this is the – you're

34:42

going to pay the price of all the

34:44

stupidity before you and stopping the stupidity after

34:46

you and

34:49

he gets a – it'll probably get reduced

34:51

whatever the suspension may be from – on appeal

34:53

but like he may get something more than we're

34:55

expecting. So Heath, you

34:57

have him ranked 28th you said at wide

34:59

receiver? Yeah. So what if

35:01

I – 28th? Well Heath because

35:04

I think Heath is anticipating a multi-game suspension. So

35:06

let me just ask you what if there were

35:08

no suspension? Where would you have her shoe race

35:10

ranked? I

35:14

think worthy matters too. It's not just

35:17

– Brown matters. It's not just

35:19

suspension. Brown matters

35:21

for sure, yes. Agreed. Even

35:25

before you get to the suspension, he can't

35:27

feel great about Rice replicating what he did

35:29

last year. And now he's

35:31

going to be gone until October? Question

35:34

mark? Like we just replaced – in

35:37

terms of his competition, he was

35:40

trying to beat out MVS and Skymore

35:42

and now he's trying to beat out Marquis Brown

35:44

and Xavier Worthy. That's a

35:46

huge difference in target competition. Yeah,

35:48

except I think he's kind of

35:50

earned some cred now after last

35:52

year where maybe it's not as

35:55

much of a target competition as it would

35:57

have been if he had just been meh

36:00

last year. He was pretty good for them. So

36:03

I actually love the

36:05

idea of buying the dip on Rashi Rice and

36:08

just putting him on my bench for the first month of the

36:10

year. Well, can I ask you a question? You

36:12

said you can't expect the same

36:14

production even without the suspension, but

36:16

did you mean his overall production

36:18

which was 938 yards, 7 touchdowns or

36:22

last 6 games of the year when he was top

36:24

12 per game? Yeah,

36:26

it's more of the last 6.

36:28

I don't think you can get

36:30

back there on a

36:33

per game basis once he's back.

36:35

I think he could still be

36:37

a middle of the low

36:39

end wide receiver 2 once he's

36:42

there. He just won't be as consistent. Might

36:44

not have as many targets. Still could

36:46

score a lot though because that's just healthy falling

36:49

for college. He

36:51

took a little bit of a drop. I had pretty much

36:53

decided after he came back that he was going to be

36:55

tied in 1 and I think he's going to

36:57

be tied in 3 now. What

37:00

else is on Heath? Mark Heath Brown? One

37:03

last thing on that because Mahomes was open about talking

37:05

about last year and Nagy and Reid both talked about

37:07

it. We're not going to have a

37:09

consistent number one. Fantasy football managers are going to get

37:12

mad at us because it's a different guy every week.

37:14

But now they've actually got four guys that they could

37:16

do that with and they're good. I don't know that there's

37:19

a guy that sees 22% of the targets on the team.

37:23

That's why Mahomes can be very consistent and

37:25

at a high number every week. It's also

37:27

and look and I really honestly don't have

37:30

an idea. We talked about this over the

37:32

weekend that they've spent a

37:34

lot of time the last couple

37:37

of seasons drafting receivers. Whether

37:40

it was Hardman or Moore or

37:42

Rice or now Xavier Worthy

37:44

and one guy has been productive. One

37:47

guy is incomplete because he hasn't played yet. Two

37:50

guys were flops. You

37:52

could even say that based on when

37:54

they acquired him they got a young Cadere

37:56

Sony who they couldn't cultivate into something also.

37:59

They gave up a third. They

38:02

gave up a third for Tony, yes. It was worth

38:04

it. No, wait,

38:07

wait. No, no. The

38:10

Giants – yes,

38:13

and the Giants traded that for Darren Waller. I

38:18

just like – is

38:22

Rice the exception? Right.

38:25

That's a good question. And did he

38:27

ever look at that or did he just kind of fall into

38:29

the right situation where, okay, he could play. They really needed

38:31

somebody. And he may fall back

38:33

to the pack a little bit with all these guys there. So,

38:35

you know, Marquis Brown coming in as a veteran, you know, he

38:37

should have a leg up, I think, over all the young players,

38:39

you would hope. Yes. That

38:42

doesn't mean he should be the first receiver drafted for the Chiefs. No.

38:45

But it's still a matter of, like, are we expecting

38:47

too much from Xavier Worthy? Yeah.

38:50

Well, what are you expecting? I

38:52

mean, in regards to, let's say, two

38:55

games suspension for Rice, and, like, he's just

38:57

saying they now have four guys who can, you know, steal

38:59

targets from each other. Do they really? Like,

39:02

is it really still just three? And one of those guys is

39:04

just kind of playing the MVS role, which could be Marquis Brown.

39:09

And then what does that leave Worthy if Marquis Brown

39:11

is in the MVS role? Stealing

39:14

from the other guys, but he could also be a gadget player. You know, I

39:16

mean, we have no idea how they're going to use him. You

39:20

know, the comp is sort of, you want him

39:22

to be Tyree Kill. Like, you know, you want

39:24

just a smaller, faster guy that is more than

39:27

just a speed guy. I think, you know, we

39:29

don't want to, you know, discredit what he did

39:31

at Texas, but that's what

39:33

everybody's going to attach him to that's pro

39:35

Xavier Worthy. He's got a chance to be

39:37

Tyree Kill, you know, the lofty glasses full

39:39

expectation. But could

39:41

he also just be Sky Moore? You know what

39:43

I mean? Like, sure. There's

39:46

that potential. You know, they won a Super Bowl

39:48

with Sky Moore and Cadairius Tony doing really next to nothing

39:50

offensively. They caught a touchdown each in the Super Bowl. That

39:52

was their only catch. I

39:55

could say so much about Rashew Rice. I think

39:57

he's fascinating. First of all, he hit the 900.

40:00

yard threshold as a rookie 938

40:02

yards almost always those guys

40:04

do better they get they get better so

40:06

that's great but he did it in a way

40:08

that sucks I think he had the lowest a

40:10

dot among any wide receiver 80 wide receivers 50

40:12

or more targets he had a 4.8 yard

40:15

a dot it's just you've got to get

40:17

a lot of targets if you're gonna be that kind

40:19

of player on the other hand he's got a role

40:21

he's got a role that worthy is not gonna play

40:23

that Markey Brown's not gonna play he's the short area

40:26

guy on the other hand go ahead and look at

40:28

his game log in the postseason he had

40:30

a hundred and thirty yards in the first game of

40:32

the postseason he had less than 50 yards in the

40:34

other three part of that was just now bad efficiency

40:36

but part of that was Travis Kelsey finally woke up

40:38

and had 355 yards in

40:40

four playoff games so when Kelsey was

40:42

more involved you know it seems it seemed to

40:45

hurt Rishi rice a little bit but

40:47

I think was you know how many touchdowns at Kelsey

40:49

scored scored three touchdowns in the postseason rice

40:52

scored one so I don't know there's a lot there

40:54

I think you can do pros and cons I think

40:56

the biggest pro for me would be this Patrick

40:58

Mahomes was on pace last year for

41:01

about 44 I think 4444 yards and 29 touchdown passes he could throw

41:03

for 5240

41:08

and then you might

41:11

have fewer targets but you're just gonna so much

41:13

more production from Mahomes like Mahomes could

41:15

be so much better and bring everyone up with

41:17

him so there are

41:19

a lot of ways they could go with Rishi rice hopefully

41:22

that a dot gets a little higher because I don't

41:24

think he can be super successful with a five-yard eight-odd

41:26

but it's all their office is gonna evolve again like

41:28

I mean this is the fun part of watching this

41:31

offseason like they they went through this metamorphosis

41:33

last year where they were more

41:35

run-heavy they were not necessarily throwing as much

41:38

and their defense was better I mean they lost a big

41:41

piece on defense was need gone you know so who knows

41:43

how successful to be in stopping people they were just dominant

41:45

last year and stopping people which was awesome from

41:47

a defensive standpoint now it's almost like okay

41:49

here you go Patrick we're giving you some

41:51

operant some some weapons again go be

41:54

the MVP like he's

41:56

got that he's chasing legends right now like

41:59

he's gotten opportunity three feet never happened before

42:01

he's got an opportunity to he's in the

42:03

conversation of chasing Brady already and he's gonna

42:05

start stacking MVPs again Like I mean, it's

42:07

it's well within the possibilities him going for

42:09

five thousand and fifty I'm

42:12

sorry to cut you off. Jane. Does any of

42:14

this excite you about Pacheco? And yeah

42:17

fact that this is a team that did nothing at

42:19

running back other than bring back Clyde I'm

42:22

sure they'll bring back McKinnon to knowing them Okay,

42:25

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42:27

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43:35

what do we got here Marvin Harrison or talked about

43:37

he's around to pick for you Why

43:40

don't we start with the wide receivers and then

43:42

we'll get into the quarterbacks and then the leftovers

43:44

there But wide receivers, where's neighbors? Where's the where

43:46

the rest? They're way

43:48

down neighbors for me

43:51

is gonna be around seven and then

43:53

after that I

43:57

know you're gonna take them higher go ahead Yeah,

44:01

I think it's round five guy for me.

44:03

Yeah, you can have him. Uh, Makaki is

44:05

going to be next for me. And then

44:07

do I have a dunes? A Oh, dunes and

44:09

Coleman, I've gone back and forth on. I feel

44:12

kind of gross having Coleman ahead of

44:14

a dunes. A but there's a target crunch in Chicago.

44:16

We've already talked about that. Brian

44:18

Thomas will be behind them. Then

44:20

we get to the Roman

44:22

Wilson Xavier worthy Troy Franklin

44:25

Malachi Corley group. That's

44:27

what I'm looking at for receivers. Everybody else is kind of

44:29

behind them and I might've missed somebody. So if I did,

44:31

I'll point it out as we roll along. So

44:34

I've got Harrison round

44:36

two. I've got lad

44:39

as my wide receiver two in round

44:41

seven neighbors in round eight.

44:46

Brian Thomas in round nine

44:48

and then

44:51

Rome worthy key on Coleman

44:53

in round 10.

44:56

I would ask you guys who do you have

44:58

ranked ahead of them? I feel like a little

45:01

little bit too much right now. So I just

45:03

I think get to know sort of where you

45:05

guys have them conceptually and we'll do some mock

45:07

draft. We got mock drafts lined up for this

45:09

week, Jamie. Okay, so Makaki

45:11

to all right. I'd certainly see the

45:13

logic there. What about key on

45:15

Coleman? He's I'm sorry. I missed that. He

45:18

was like wide receiver six or seven round

45:21

tennis. Yeah, I mean, is

45:23

it just that? Makaki?

45:25

Okay. Why is it that

45:28

Makaki is so much farther ahead than Coleman when

45:30

they went back to back and they obviously are

45:32

in sort of a similar setup? Yeah,

45:35

I think I like Makaki more

45:37

before the draft. I think

45:39

Makaki is going to do a much better job

45:41

of getting wide open to see targets. And while

45:43

neither one of them have a whole lot of

45:46

target competition, I think key on Coleman has more

45:48

target competition than lad makaki. I

45:50

don't know that really mentioned this When

45:53

we talked about Makaki. If there's this concern

45:55

with him. It's for everyone to know could

45:57

be injuries. He's had some some health issues

45:59

in the past. Yeah, it's

46:01

one of many lean rookies in

46:03

the draft class. I rookie quarterbacks.

46:05

Where do we end up on?

46:08

On. Well, all of the rookie quarterbacks they

46:10

have that. Daniels

46:12

is one for me and

46:14

Redraft I've got Tale of

46:16

Next and Mccarthy behind them.

46:19

The. Wearing your ramblings when you're an adult

46:21

of them out to get really matters.

46:24

Where. When I mean where your first to

46:26

Daniels and. And. Okay,

46:28

really of Daniels of fourteen? Caleb.

46:31

It's sixteen. Obviously

46:33

they can move up. They're both really exciting

46:35

and so taking them out of any quarterback

46:37

that's a veteran that is an exciting. All.

46:40

Sense in the world to do that. And I'm kind

46:42

of excited about Mccarthy, but he's not even in my

46:44

top twenty. I've got

46:46

of the advocates offer me take a look

46:48

at and what I like it. I've got

46:51

Daniel that sixteen. Williams. A

46:53

Twenty Mccarthy at Twenty One And

46:55

I think. They are.

46:57

I go on for holding back on Mccarthy.

47:00

Thank. You Jamie, you know a

47:03

single images Insane. And my

47:05

this is something wrong with me. Because. I. I.

47:07

Just love the setup for Caleb Williams

47:09

and holy Cow. So I

47:12

just that the thing about it as like he

47:14

not our job is to tell people when to

47:16

draft these guys. And. You

47:18

can You can make the argument pro and con about taking

47:21

the voucher for arson and the younger player. second if he

47:23

wanted you know try it makes a you're taking too because

47:25

you need is a to if you if you jack because

47:27

at least that way for enough. but like. We.

47:30

Kind of saw maybe the best of to a last year.

47:33

We. Got cousins going to new situation. I think we

47:35

all agree it's like downgrade. you know because the veterans

47:37

of that the the weapons aren't as proven arm. He's

47:40

also coming off Micheli than Juri. Herbert's.

47:42

Going way way they're not going to start panics.

47:44

I have all three guys over cousin so I

47:46

grew that one can plan. It. Out

47:48

Rodgers is coming back from an

47:50

achilles injury. Ah, Herbert has less

47:52

weapons then either of these two

47:54

guys, in my opinion. You

47:58

know So it like he started as nit pick

48:00

somebody that quarterbacks that they're going to be ranked

48:02

around and it's like you know. To.

48:04

To the to the point about sending us coming

48:06

off a thousand yard rushing season like. This.

48:09

Feels like. Something's. Very similar to

48:11

have the richest and last year we were

48:13

all excited about him as a top floor

48:15

of guy because if is rushing upside and

48:17

Caleb Williams steps into. A

48:21

bottle and ruthless the of the three out

48:23

on his. We're excited about it. The riches

48:25

pumped up. I was really run. On.

48:30

The. The Situations

48:32

Day of Williams. I mean my gosh, That's.

48:35

As good receiving corps is any rookie is

48:37

stepping into like feel legacy this route type

48:39

situation know what though the weapons around in

48:41

which we didn't really expect but sir materialized

48:43

that way and so. I'm gonna sue

48:45

for the up in a take the outside you know

48:47

as Daves. As you know you know a draft players

48:50

at the ceiling at this position you'd kind of do

48:52

you know and so in sit in the case of

48:54

of these guys. He. And

48:56

I guess I'm Europe from rephrase that you don't You're not

48:58

drafting them at their ceiling. In terms

49:00

of their. Costs. Because you're

49:02

not drafting them rounds three, four, five,

49:05

whatever for hims of their wait. For.

49:07

Me: It's. Like. I'd rather take these guys

49:09

as the starter and then try and back filled with

49:12

the think I like you Tommy I come away from

49:14

my draft with. Ah, Kill.

49:16

Blames and Jared Goff. I'm fine with that. You

49:18

know, perfectly fine with that. You know, Jane Daniels

49:20

and and Matthew Stafford. I'm fine with. It. Because.

49:23

I have a guy has got thoughts and upside and have a

49:25

gotta could still be a top of guy. The father was. So.

49:28

How about running backs? Anybody.

49:30

Have a running back in their top twenty four. Rookie running

49:33

back. Where. Did I put Brooks

49:35

East or South Side? I think he's just

49:37

inside for me. I know Twenty Six, that's

49:39

where I am. Twenty Six will be an

49:41

arranged for me and I think that this.

49:44

In training camp. If he is ready to go, none of

49:46

the populist will be inside a top twenty Four million all

49:48

the way to twenty. Could be a top twelve running back

49:50

in the second half of the season. And.

49:53

Add site and where's Broth Bowers and has

49:55

been since your second race? Tight! and where's

49:57

he? He's the one server that. I

50:00

think I got Bowers 212 and

50:03

that was fudging the numbers a little bit but

50:06

just because of kind of the argument Jamie was

50:08

making for some of the

50:10

rookie quarterbacks, the upside, I

50:14

don't have another rookie tied into my top

50:17

24 but Ben Sennett would be second. Theo

50:20

Johnson might go ahead of him if

50:23

Darren Waller retires. That

50:26

wasn't a joke. Yeah. Well,

50:29

what about, do you think he just jumps

50:32

Bellinger? Yeah. I

50:35

kind of do too. Bellinger is more of a blocker

50:37

for that. If anybody in this class could jump Bellinger

50:40

it would be Theo Johnson. Incredible athlete.

50:43

Alright, Dave, you have Bowers and

50:45

Ace. Nice. I do. I'm

50:48

excited about him and the prospect of him being

50:52

utilized in a very, very meaningful

50:55

way for Las Vegas. I can't say like

50:58

super heavy 120 targets or anything like that.

51:00

I think he'll fall short of that but

51:02

I think he's going to get carries. I think

51:04

he's going to get a lot of those short targets. I

51:06

think he's going to be utilized near the goal line. I

51:09

think that he's got all kinds of upside to

51:12

be a unique type of fantasy tight end and so

51:14

if I want to get into that I'm going to

51:17

have to draft him ahead of some other tight ends

51:19

that feel safer. Evan Ingram, TJ

51:21

Hockinson, Jake Ferguson, Dallas Goddard.

51:23

You know some of them were studs for

51:25

us last year and we want to go

51:27

back to them. I feel like Bowers is

51:29

a little bit more fun and I'll take

51:31

the chance on him in late round 7

51:33

if that's what it takes to get a

51:35

talent that could absolutely be a difference maker

51:37

for fantasy. Yeah, the only one I wholeheartedly

51:40

disagree with there is Ingram. I

51:42

think Dave said that he has to take

51:44

Bowers over tight ends that feel safer meaning

51:46

Ingram feels safe. That's fine

51:48

but Ingram is like three or four rounds easily

51:50

ahead of Bowers for me. I think in PPR

51:52

Ingram has a lot more upside than Bowers too. Just

51:57

because I think in this offense Ingram is going to see

51:59

as many targets. The Almost Anybody I mean come up one

52:01

hundred cat season and Brian Thomas not the type of guy

52:03

was gonna. Say. That. I

52:07

have one more game for us to play here at the end. Monuments.

52:10

I want to play adverts. For. The

52:12

the notes him as will do it but

52:15

I will say we have a game tonight.

52:17

Big game tonight. He has very low expectations

52:19

for my first softball game in very many

52:21

years. I buy stock in softball game in

52:24

the last fifteen years. He

52:26

thinks I'm going to strike out in slow pitch softball.

52:29

So I don't think that it straight

52:31

out I don't. For it, it's not

52:34

easy. To hit a slow

52:36

pitch softball when you've not seen

52:38

a slow pitch in fifteen years.

52:40

An ama say ground out to the

52:42

third baseman. Others

52:45

are stop. And.

52:47

You're going to be an idiot. They hit the back of the pitcher.

52:50

By. Mistake on your hardest hit box. I

52:53

think the picture of a okay i'm as a

52:55

one for a series of spss was eyes like

52:57

I don't have undercounting years as it's though

52:59

when you They went on to rethink under a

53:02

throwaway one I the Omega Legit line drive base

53:04

hits in right center field. Is

53:06

this call it or? Or

53:09

meant I think it's this man. I don't know

53:11

a single person on the team. Ah,

53:13

This sort of referred by by of

53:15

for a by a neighbor. Who. Didn't

53:18

wanna play they will I said all play So I'm

53:20

going to meet all these new people tonight and I

53:22

said I do I need to bring a bath. Like

53:24

I said no I have a bad for like. My

53:26

concern is that he's never dealt with someone is scrawny

53:28

and week as me and all of the bats are

53:30

going to be too big. It's like when I go

53:32

any good at the at the have you bought a

53:34

bad for and you're pretty boy. it helps protect it

53:36

should just over that just in case. I

53:39

don't have sleeps are going on your deck. I'm

53:41

going to reimburse. I don't have cleats that go

53:43

by cleats please? I'm going to go by as

53:46

that like that's for your own good Abbott. ago

53:48

by for that he gave you the guy so that

53:50

when nuclease then they know you not really know you

53:52

never put with mercury something like before you go to

53:54

the party gotta run around in your cleats first son

53:56

of on a field i'm going to get rid of

53:59

your i was told people wear shorts or

54:01

sweatpants. Oh yeah don't wear baseball pants. Please

54:03

wear baseball pants. I'm not wearing

54:05

baseball pants. I'm gonna wear eye black though

54:07

and stirrups. Is

54:10

your family gonna go watch you? No, no I'm not

54:12

ready for that. I'm not ready for that. Will

54:15

it be streamed anywhere online? I'm not saying like

54:17

you're not gonna tell us. By the way. I

54:20

did yesterday was my first day coaching

54:22

tee ball. It was really fun. They

54:25

didn't keep score so it was a tie. Everyone

54:27

hit a hard run. But what happened when they

54:29

threw the ball to you? Oh right, yes.

54:31

A kid threw the ball to me, threw it way

54:34

over my head and it rolled onto the other team's

54:37

practice area. And the coach, I think it

54:39

was I would say about 20 yards away,

54:41

the coach throws the ball back to me.

54:43

A pretty good throw and I just dropped

54:45

it. And I was like oh god tomorrow

54:47

it's like Monday night's not gonna go well

54:49

for me. Where are you playing? What

54:52

position? Oh I don't know. Right fielder catcher. They're gonna

54:54

put me in right field. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're the

54:56

new guy on the team with a bunch of strangers.

54:58

You're playing as far away from everybody as possible. I

55:00

want to see if they put you at catcher. Will

55:03

you stay in a catching position? No.

55:06

No chance. I can't. He's gonna be

55:08

ducking and flinching. You know I have bad knees. I

55:10

can't play catcher like that. You can

55:12

stand back there. Yeah, I'll stand. I'll stand. I can't

55:14

crouch. But I would like

55:16

to say on a more positive note, Heath's

55:19

son is unbelievable at

55:22

basketball. He put a highlight clip

55:24

of him on Twitter. I

55:26

couldn't believe it. The kid is amazing. Is

55:28

he gonna be, this is a serious question,

55:30

is he gonna play college basketball? I

55:33

don't know. I will say that everybody's highlight reel looks great.

55:35

Give the kid a break. Everybody looks better on their highlight

55:39

reel than they do in

55:42

real basketball. But no, he's been working really

55:44

hard and playing really well and that's his

55:46

dream. That's amazing. I was blown

55:48

away. He's really good. I've seen a few practices

55:50

and I've seen that same highlight video. He's really

55:53

good. All right, let's get

55:55

on to our next game here. I tried

55:57

a little spin on Buyer Sell, believe it or not. I'm

56:00

going to go with, yeah, I could see it, or no, you're

56:02

weird. All right,

56:05

sixth round pick wide receiver, Malik

56:07

Washington out of Virginia, will be

56:10

the Miami Dolphins third leading receiver.

56:14

Yeah, I could see it, or no, you're weird. Yeah,

56:16

I could see it. This was an easy one.

56:19

You're weird. I'm

56:21

weird. I thought this was a layup. Who's going to be

56:23

their third leading receiver? Jonathan.

56:27

I think his name is Who, and his last name

56:30

is Cares. Well, that's

56:32

I guess the other. He had 110 catches, I think, last year, Malik

56:34

Washington. He

56:36

led the country in catches and no Dolphins receiver

56:38

in the Tyree Kill era in the last two

56:40

years. No third receiver, as it had

56:42

more than 417 yards. They

56:45

really want production from someone else, and it

56:48

could be Malik Washington. Not that it's going

56:50

to say that's going to be fantasy relevant,

56:52

though. All right, fifth round pick running back,

56:54

Audrey Estimé out of Notre Dame, will

56:57

be Denver's goal line back. Yeah,

57:02

I can see it, or no, you're weird. You think I'm

57:04

weird, Jamie? I just like saying that. Yeah,

57:15

I don't want it to be true, but I could see it. I

57:18

think it's possible Estimé could have a role

57:21

as big as the 1B

57:23

running back and a

57:25

role as small as the second kick

57:27

returner. I think he's

57:30

one of like 14 running backs

57:32

that were taken on day three that are meant

57:34

to play on special teams. He ran a 4-7

57:36

something. How could he play on – He

57:39

takes a hill. How could he

57:41

return kicks? I wouldn't put him at kick

57:43

returner. But it's a different type of kick

57:45

return. I think

57:48

that'd be more – It's

57:50

almost going to be like a running play.

57:54

My favorite Estimé stat because he's just enormous.

57:57

He averaged 6.9 yards per carry in the first half. the

58:00

fourth quarter in each of the last two seasons.

58:02

It could really wear you down. All

58:04

right. Yeah, I could see it or no,

58:06

you're weird. Fourth round running

58:08

back, Ray Davis out of Kentucky will be

58:11

Buffalo's goal line running back. You're

58:13

weird. They

58:15

always have a goal running back though. They

58:17

had Latavius, they have Frank Gore. They even were

58:20

using Leonard Fornett there, I think. And it's pretty

58:22

much never James Cook, rarely James Cook. Trepasso

58:25

was really down on Ray Davis. He

58:29

was outstanding at the senior bowl, but as

58:31

a prospect, he's not great

58:33

mainly because he's old. He's going

58:35

to be 25 years old during the upcoming NFL

58:37

season. Chris said on Saturday that he

58:39

wouldn't be surprised if Frank Gore Jr. is better than Ray Davis.

58:42

Okay. Entirely possible. So

58:45

you're not just viewing him as a goal line back. Okay, next

58:47

one. You're going to laugh at me. Be weird.

58:50

But I'll do it. Yeah, this is weird.

58:52

Fourth round pick Braylon Allen out of Wisconsin will

58:54

be the Jets' goal line running back. No,

58:56

come on. I could absolutely

58:58

see that if Breece Hall decides, I

59:00

don't want to play this week. Breece

59:04

Hall scored 41 touchdowns in his last two

59:06

seasons at Iowa State. Dave,

59:09

this one specifically for you. Yeah, I could see

59:11

it or know you're weird. We should

59:13

talk more about Washington's tight end Ben Sennett. Not

59:19

yet. You're weird for saying that. You kind

59:21

of yelled at me for talking so much

59:23

about him on Friday night as the joke.

59:25

Yeah, because it was a waste of time.

59:27

Alright, next up. Lad McConkie will lead all

59:29

rookies in receptions. You're

59:32

weird. Second. He'll

59:35

be second. Here's

59:38

one. He's going to be second. You're a weirdo. There's

59:41

one that got a

59:43

little bit more of a stretch. Denver

59:45

wide receiver Troy Franklin will lead all

59:48

rookies in receptions. Man,

59:50

what kind of juju are you trying to put

59:52

on Marvin Harrison here? I know he's the favorite,

59:54

but Franklin, I mean, it's like a sleepover. Why

59:56

not say Franklin could lead the Broncos in receptions?

59:59

Yeah. Yeah, that's even a fact. You absolutely

1:00:01

see that. I'm

1:00:03

weird. There's so much to like about where

1:00:06

Franklin ended up. And it's

1:00:08

got some to do with him reuniting with

1:00:10

BONIX, but Sean Payton's

1:00:12

track record of utilizing receivers

1:00:15

strictly to their strengths. It's

1:00:17

awesome. He just didn't think Marvin Mims

1:00:19

had very many strengths, I guess. I guess not,

1:00:21

but here comes Troy Franklin, who's going to potentially

1:00:24

get all sorts of opportunities. I don't even know

1:00:26

if Sutton's going to stay on this team. All

1:00:31

right, at least two of Bucky

1:00:33

Irving with Tampa Bay. You

1:00:36

said Bucky, right? I did. Tampa

1:00:38

Bay Bucky's. Tyrone

1:00:41

Tracy with the Giants and Kamani

1:00:43

Vidal with the Chargers. At

1:00:45

least two of those three will lead their team in rushing.

1:00:49

Yeah, I could sit. You're weird. Yeah.

1:00:52

You're weird. This

1:00:54

is from Dave. Dave, 0RB will

1:00:56

be more popular than ever, which is why now is

1:00:58

the time to target two running backs with your first

1:01:00

three picks. You're

1:01:03

weird. Dave is weird. I

1:01:05

do find myself more interested in drafting a running back in

1:01:07

round one than I have been, because...

1:01:10

It will be hero. Yeah. That'd

1:01:13

be hero. Yeah, hero. All

1:01:15

right. CD Lamb should... This is also from

1:01:17

Dave. CD Lamb should be the first pick

1:01:19

in draft, and Dak Prescott should be a

1:01:21

top five fantasy quarterback. You're

1:01:24

weird. Dave's weird. Yeah, Dave's weird. Wait

1:01:27

a minute. Wait a minute. I'm not saying I would do these things. I'm

1:01:30

just trying to make podcasts content. Hey,

1:01:33

believe me. If anybody gets that, it's me. Here's the

1:01:35

podcast question. Hey, listen. The

1:01:37

draft was very, very good to Dak and CD Lamb.

1:01:41

I challenge that. Why? Why?

1:01:45

Because I don't think that

1:01:47

them having arguably the worst running game in

1:01:49

football, or

1:01:51

a bottom five running game, is good for anyone.

1:01:55

They show... And I went back

1:01:57

and looked. I mean, it's not like you

1:01:59

see a huge correlation. between bad running games

1:02:01

and great fantasy quarterbacks. You do see it

1:02:03

sometimes just because of past attempts,

1:02:05

but they've already shown that they could have

1:02:07

a good running game and still be elite.

1:02:10

Or I don't know if I'm going to call Dak

1:02:12

elite, but he was for the last 10 games or

1:02:14

whatever. But I equate this to the Buccaneers a couple

1:02:17

years ago where they had a terrible running game and

1:02:19

Brady threw a ton and he just struggled. I would

1:02:22

equate it to the Chargers

1:02:24

last year where they had a bad running game.

1:02:26

You know what? They just had a bad offense and Herbert

1:02:28

was good, but he wasn't as good as he

1:02:31

can be. I don't buy the concept that bad

1:02:33

running game is good for a quarterback. They

1:02:36

improved their offensive line. Their defense won't be as

1:02:38

good as it was last year. And

1:02:41

in the second half of the season, they put

1:02:43

it all on Dak and Lam. And

1:02:45

they put up a ton of points. I'm

1:02:48

talking to Cowboys, but a ton of points. And

1:02:50

they got to the playoffs and they got crushed in

1:02:52

the playoffs, but at least they got there. Absolutely

1:02:57

see a path where Lam

1:02:59

leads the NFL in targets per game and

1:03:01

Dak Prescott is a top five quarterback at

1:03:04

the end of the year. Alright,

1:03:07

last one from David. Actually set up

1:03:09

perfectly for them because they didn't add

1:03:11

another big time receiver or a running

1:03:13

back. Matt

1:03:15

Weber was hopes that I'm placed in right field. I will

1:03:17

be. And the team he's on had no idea the team

1:03:20

they were playing were all power hitting left teams. J.J.

1:03:24

McCarthy will be the best rookie quarterback in 2024. I

1:03:29

could see it. Thomas wrote this one. You're weird. David's

1:03:32

weird, but yeah, I could see it, Dave. I

1:03:35

could see it too. I just – I'm not

1:03:37

going to draft it that way, and nobody has to draft it

1:03:39

that way. But we talk

1:03:41

about Caleb Williams falling into this amazing spot where

1:03:43

he's got these past – what did J.J. McCarthy

1:03:45

fall into? And you

1:03:48

know what? I think he's a good

1:03:50

quarterback. And he can run. You think

1:03:53

he'll get to 300 rushing yards? He'll run the least of the

1:03:55

top three. I'm aware. But

1:03:57

do you think he'll get to 300 rushing yards? Maybe.

1:04:01

Sure. He'll have like 20 a

1:04:04

game, as long as he starts week one. Yeah.

1:04:07

If he starts week one, he could have

1:04:09

303 on the ground, but

1:04:11

he could also have 4030 through the

1:04:14

air. I have a super flex rookie only

1:04:16

draft starting in about two hours and I have the fifth

1:04:18

pick. And it's, I

1:04:21

mean, my choice is going to be between McCarthy

1:04:23

and neighbors. How

1:04:26

bad do you need a quarterback? You're the Giants. My

1:04:29

starting quarterbacks are Gino Smith and

1:04:31

Matthew Stafford. I'm taking McCarthy if he's there. Congratulations.

1:04:34

Take neighbors, take neighbors. You're making

1:04:37

a mistake. I

1:04:39

don't think I'll have a choice. It's going to be one of the two. Yeah. Take

1:04:42

neighbors. Oh, oh, oh, oh. If neighbors go for,

1:04:44

I'm taking McCarthy, McCarthy goes for, I'm taking neighbors.

1:04:46

Okay. What if someone drafts Kamani Vidal

1:04:48

third overall and all of a sudden you can draft

1:04:50

both, you can draft either one. I'll

1:04:54

trade back one spot. You're such

1:04:56

a jerk. I'm

1:04:58

sorry. I'm with her. You put my doubt

1:05:01

third. Which

1:05:04

wide receiver are you drafting first? 666

1:05:06

votes. Ooh,

1:05:08

spooky. Marvin Harrison is

1:05:10

the winner. 30.6%

1:05:14

followed by Drake London, who Schaefer

1:05:16

voted for at 26.7% followed by Devontae Adams at

1:05:20

22%, 21% is changing

1:05:23

a little bit and Chris Olave just behind Devontae

1:05:25

Adams. It's a pretty close poll, but Marvin Harrison,

1:05:27

678 votes is the leader ahead of Adams Olave.

1:05:31

No reason he might have there at all. Who

1:05:34

would you have voted for? London. Alright

1:05:39

guys, Rachel, thank you very much. We'll talk to you

1:05:41

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don't believe in it. Is

1:06:00

it a good one? No one died. Mm,

1:06:02

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