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by my buddy rich Sermanello. Find

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is the co host of College Football Today. So excited

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to talk to him about college football

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and hopefully getting a little bit closer

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to kick off. But obviously

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we have some things in a way here, Rich, I texted

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you earlier today before we started

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filming and said, you know, I'm

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going through these eggs and flows like everybody

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else. One day, I feel good about it. One day two

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weeks ago, you and I think estimated

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on here that like a ten percent

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chance at the college season was going to get finished.

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Nothing is really materially changed, but I

0:57

somehow feel better than that today.

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Not for all the right reasons. I just think they're

1:01

going to try to do it harder than I thought

1:03

they were going to try doing it, and it

1:06

brings us to our first topic, and that's

1:08

Ross Dellinger of Sports Illustrated

1:10

wrote a pretty in depth article here interviewing

1:13

a variety of different people in terms

1:15

of what they are faced with and the challenges

1:17

what they're faced with. And now, as you can

1:19

see from his tweet up on the screen, a

1:21

new hurdle stands before college football,

1:23

the mandatory fourteen day quarantine

1:26

for positive contacts. A high

1:28

risk contact includes practice

1:30

collisions, doctors say.

1:32

And if that's the case, Rich, it's

1:34

not looking good to finish the season as good as I was

1:36

feeling before the segment. Yeah,

1:39

yeah, I'm with you, Mike. I mean it's a lot of

1:42

yo yo of emotions for me. Um,

1:45

there are times I'm optimistic. You know, watch

1:48

the guys on ESPN a couple of days ago

1:50

and listen to David Pollock, Uh,

1:53

listen to Joey Galloway, Kirk

1:55

curb streets a little more positive than he was

1:57

in the past. But there are a lot of reality

2:00

of these. Ross Dellinger brings up one which

2:02

is vital, which is, you

2:04

know, this is football. I mean, the game is predicated

2:06

on contact. And if you have

2:09

individuals that have been determined

2:11

as being COVID positive,

2:14

how quickly can you move them out

2:16

of the equation, how quickly can they be quarantined?

2:19

And what is the impact on next week's

2:22

opponent. See, that's that's

2:24

the issue that none of us know what's

2:26

going to happen is I don't

2:28

know what the emotion is going to be

2:31

from those coaches, from the administrators,

2:33

from the university. Once it's

2:35

determined that you know, next

2:37

week's opponent is per due, they've had seven

2:40

kids, let's say, who have tested positive.

2:42

What exactly do we do at that point because

2:44

there are no standard protocols

2:47

set by the n c a A for this

2:49

upcoming season. Yeah. So Stephen

2:51

Goodman is a key UH

2:54

person in this article, as interviewed by Ross

2:56

Talinger. He's an associate dean and professor of

2:58

epidemiology Stanford.

3:00

So it's like about as smart as I have. He

3:02

knows medicine really

3:04

well. He studied at some of the most renowned universities

3:07

in America, Johns Hopkins, Washington University,

3:09

Harvard, and n y U. And he talks

3:11

about this notion that a

3:14

high risk contact includes

3:16

collisions in practice. He chuckles when

3:19

hearing this um

3:21

he said, you'd be talking about knocking out a whole

3:23

team quote, it bumps into reality.

3:26

If you're going to be that cautious, and I'm not saying

3:28

you shouldn't be, does that make football

3:31

possible? I think there are good reasons to doubt

3:33

it. So with all of these

3:35

things at play, which

3:38

it seems like they're going to have to

3:40

modify the definitions of contact

3:43

or just hope to get extremely

3:46

lucky the extremely lucky thing that

3:48

isn't going to happen. Realistically,

3:50

You and I both know that. I think

3:52

it's just going to get to a point though, where

3:54

they're going to have to lower the bar for what

3:57

is acceptable for people to be playing

4:00

through everything else. Because if you start

4:02

contact tracing and one guy was in practice,

4:04

he's in an offensive alignment and he's

4:07

had contact with we've talked about it before, thirty

4:10

people in one practice. Maybe

4:12

eliminate contact and practice. That

4:14

might be an option to what

4:16

what do you do, Mike with the opponent

4:19

maybe from forty eight hours

4:21

ago? You know what you know he was he

4:24

was enduring contact with the

4:26

entire defensive line linebackers,

4:29

some dbs from the opposing UH

4:32

team. So do you shut that squad

4:35

down to and you bring up a really cogent

4:37

point, which is I think this is all

4:39

going to come down to what is the appetite

4:41

for risk? That's really what this

4:44

is going to become. Because we know

4:46

there's risk, We're starting to get

4:48

an idea as time passes just

4:50

exactly how risky this is

4:52

for the age category, whether

4:55

you're talking about long term illness or

4:57

possibly fatalities here,

5:00

how badly do you want football? And

5:02

what is your appetite for risk? That's really

5:04

what this is going to come down to. Because we

5:07

could all play the hope game and the fairy

5:10

tales, the reality is there

5:12

are gonna be athletes in the fall, football

5:15

and other sports throughout college campuses

5:18

that come down with this illness. Uh,

5:20

not exactly sure how university is gonna react

5:22

at that point. Yeah. One SEC assistant

5:25

coach described the contact tracing portion of

5:27

the guidelines as quote overwhelming.

5:30

I'd imagine I'd imagine

5:32

it's overwhelming. A Pact twelve team doctor

5:34

calls the issue a massive challenge, and

5:36

West Virginia Athletic director Shane Lyons,

5:39

even while on n C a video news

5:41

conference, post a chilling question

5:43

last week to the audience listening, how can

5:45

we play the game of football and with contact

5:48

tracing, not lose the entire team.

5:51

I think that is really sort of

5:53

what you and I have been aiming at over these

5:55

last few weeks. It's not that I

5:57

think everybody's going to be hospitalized,

6:00

It's not that I think nobody

6:03

should play. It's just using

6:05

some of the logic that is in place

6:07

by A by A guidelines. And

6:10

this goes for the NFL. Also, I

6:12

don't really even know how it's possible.

6:15

You it seems like we have to get extremely

6:17

lucky, by the way welcoming in our

6:19

radio audience. I'll pose

6:21

that question to you because Shane Lyons, whom

6:24

I've met, really smart athletic

6:26

director, sharp athletic director. That's

6:28

the question really that I think everybody has. Yeah,

6:32

there's no question about it. And this

6:34

might take us on to a different tangent.

6:37

But if if you watched Mike Real

6:39

Sports on HBO, one of my favorite

6:42

shows on HBO, Chris Hinton, former

6:44

offensive lineman and his wife an attorney,

6:47

pose the question, who is representing

6:49

these young athletes? They don't have a union

6:52

like professional athletes, and uh,

6:54

they're gonna be a lot of social questions that get

6:56

raised this ball, especially if somebody really

6:58

gets hit hard with this illness. Yeah, absolutely,

7:01

putting them in front of the

7:03

two, in front of on the front lines

7:06

to their detriment. I think is going to be a

7:08

question athletic directors are gonna have to answer, Richard.

7:10

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8:04

times. Earlier this week where uh,

8:07

the n c A was front

8:09

and center in Congress

8:12

to debate a variety of different issues,

8:14

notably the name, image and

8:16

likeness issue that has been a

8:19

big topic within the n c A. States

8:21

like California and Florida have passed

8:23

legislation to allow these players

8:25

to make money off of their name, image,

8:27

and likeness. And it is obviously an extremely

8:30

complicated topic with far reaching

8:33

impact. Rich but I

8:35

tend to side with the players if for no other reason

8:38

that we're in a free market economy

8:40

and to deny them this and

8:43

suggest that they shouldn't be paid

8:45

when the schools are making money off of their

8:48

jerseys and the like is

8:50

silly. It's been silly for a long time. Yeah,

8:54

I couldn't agree more. Um, you know,

8:56

the philosophical question that I

8:58

would pose, Mike, I think

9:00

we're on the same side, but maybe just to the

9:02

audience in general, is where

9:05

in our and I'm a capitalist

9:08

by every stretch of the imagination,

9:10

where in our society do we limit

9:12

someone's ability to make

9:15

money regardless of

9:17

their age? What would be your what

9:19

would be your block? Uh? Is

9:21

it that you're concerned that schools

9:23

like Clemson and Ohio State and USC

9:26

and Alabama will

9:28

build a bigger gap on the smaller

9:30

schools that's happening anyway? You know that

9:32

that's that's Oh yeah,

9:35

I mean the arms race that happened

9:37

a long time ago when it came to facilities

9:40

and your ability to prepare a kid for the NFL.

9:42

That's been going on for a very long period of time,

9:45

and that's moving at warp speed. I

9:48

just can't fundamentally. I

9:50

hate to say this, but it goes against

9:53

my American principles to say that

9:55

I'm going to deny you. Now, I've

9:58

never really been a big fan of of let's

10:00

pay them. I still lean on the

10:02

side of I think there's a lot of payment.

10:05

There's a lot of diviidend in that scholarship

10:07

and many of the benefits that comes with being

10:10

a student athlete or a scholarship student

10:12

athlete. But for the n I L part

10:15

of this equation, if you can go out

10:18

and capitalize and make money

10:20

off of your skills, your name, your image,

10:22

your likeness, I thought all

10:24

along that was the answer for these

10:27

young men and women in college athletics.

10:29

So I have absolutely no problem with it. Yeah,

10:31

so there's a really important thing that I'm going to

10:33

read here, So give me some time to read

10:36

it. But Senator Corey Booker to

10:38

n c A President Mark Emerth. This happened earlier

10:40

this week at the hearing today regarding

10:42

the governing body's refusal for

10:45

the full scale reform, most notably

10:47

on athlete healthcare. It's a long

10:49

statement, and give me some time to read it. Now.

10:52

The n c A is running to us because states have

10:54

tried to put in rules to create more fairness.

10:56

Seems only responsible that we as a body

10:58

should put first and foremost the education and

11:00

health and safety of our students, because you

11:02

all are not enforcing standards

11:04

that give any assurances in interviews with athletes

11:07

themselves that this is happening. I gotta

11:09

pause to let everybody know. Corey Booker

11:11

is from New Jersey. He went to high school

11:14

with the best man at my wedding. He

11:16

was a standout running back, went to Stanford

11:19

and has been wildly successful outside

11:21

of football since. I think he knows

11:24

very well the power of trip

11:26

and everything that it can bring him. But he

11:29

goes on to say, you just made

11:31

a comment that you have spoken to me. This is what Mark

11:33

Emmert said. You have not spoken to me in six

11:35

years since we've last been here. You and I have mutual

11:38

friends. They say very good things about you as a person and as

11:40

a leader. I'm opening an invitation to

11:42

you right now to meet with a group of bipartisan

11:44

senators, so we can start to talk through

11:46

about what your plans to address these

11:48

things that are patently unacceptable and

11:51

put our student athletes in danger.

11:53

In six years, we haven't had an opportunity

11:56

to talk about the serious health challenges facing

11:58

student athletes and the serious colleges to getting

12:00

an education. And you have the n c A since

12:03

last we talked, has made hundreds of millions

12:05

of dollars. I'll stop it there. He goes on

12:07

and he dunks on him at the end. Uh,

12:10

But he can dunk on anybody when he's

12:12

speaking from experience that really

12:14

very few other senators probably have. There's

12:16

been others that have been uh, student athletes.

12:19

But Corey Book are really talking

12:21

a lot of sense here. And Mark Emmert kind of

12:23

talking out of both sides of his mouth and caught doing

12:25

it. Yeah, which is which

12:27

is a very n ci A type

12:30

of move out of Mark Emmert.

12:32

Um. You know again, I'll go back

12:34

to the conversation Mike about who

12:36

has the back of these athletes.

12:39

The parents due to a large

12:41

extent, but I don't think that their

12:43

power or their reach is substantial.

12:45

No one is really representing these

12:47

athletes. And you know, I know crimea River. I

12:49

mean, they have a lot of advantages that that a

12:52

lot of UM athletes are

12:54

a lot of students on campuses don't

12:56

have. But if you have to look at

12:58

the the amount of benefit,

13:01

the financial windfall, we're

13:03

having this discussion about college football quite

13:06

frankly because of what they're

13:08

able to bring to those campuses. I mean, they

13:10

are essential employees

13:13

almost on these campuses, because if we don't

13:15

have football this fall, we know what's

13:17

going to happen to the coffers

13:19

and to the other athletic programs

13:22

on those various campuses. So I

13:25

think it's high time that we we provide

13:27

more support to student athletes, give

13:30

them more leverage, give them a greater voice.

13:32

Gradually, we've been seeing that over the past couple

13:34

of years. I think that's

13:36

gonna go uh at a very

13:38

fast pace over the next twelve months. Yeah,

13:40

and I'll I can't

13:42

finish this entire statement, but I'll say he

13:45

says. I conclude by saying that

13:47

at a time when our nation is going through a racial reckoning,

13:49

the fact that African Americans are dishproportionately

13:51

represented in the sports, that they bring in billions

13:54

of dollars for what acts like a cartel

13:57

and yet can't even afford to have meals when they're hungry

13:59

and Canada, or to have their families see their games. It's

14:01

unacceptable. I think he says it really well. There

14:04

will continue on to part two of this political

14:07

discussion because I think it was

14:09

also this happens on many topics.

14:11

We just happened to be the people talking about

14:13

college football. But senators can't

14:15

be experts at every single topic. But it

14:18

is odd when you're talking about

14:20

something that seems like a basic understanding

14:22

of what's going on. And Lindsay

14:24

Graham in particular was called

14:26

out by many people. He

14:28

says, very few coaches that get paid a

14:31

lot of money. Very

14:33

few coaches get paid a lot of money that lose

14:35

over time. Roger

14:37

Sherman of The Ringer states,

14:40

the flagship university of the state, which

14:42

Linda Graham represents, South Carolina

14:45

Side will must Champ to a twenty eight million dollar

14:47

contract extension in he's

14:50

twenty six and twenty five is their head coach.

14:52

So I think that's a lot of money. Yeah,

14:55

mediocrity actually pays pretty well.

14:58

Though. The first name that came to mind for me he

15:00

was how about Charlie Weiss

15:03

in the comments section of that tweet. He

15:05

was off, he was well represented. Yeah,

15:08

Charlie Weiss, Uh he might. He has

15:10

like sort of like that Bobby Bonia contract,

15:13

um, you know, being paid long after

15:16

he left South Bend. I think he was being

15:18

paid into his tenure at Kansas

15:21

and and mediocrity followed

15:23

Charlie Weiss wherever he was as as

15:25

a head coach. So uh yeah, now

15:28

you you bring up a good point. I mean, Lindsey

15:30

Graham is a senator. I don't expect him to know

15:32

everything, but there are times in life when you'd

15:34

be wise to stay in your lane.

15:36

And Lindsey Graham talking about college

15:39

football, um and

15:41

really denigrating a lot of these athletes and

15:43

suggesting that then being

15:45

able to capitalize on their name, image and

15:47

likeness somehow would be the

15:49

downfall of the sport. Quite

15:52

frankly, I think is ridiculous, uh

15:54

and and misguided. Now

15:57

everybody from Alabama is going to be tipped

15:59

that I'm about to say this, but you could argue

16:02

it is the most relevant state in

16:04

terms of college football in the entire

16:07

Union because South Carolina, even though

16:09

we just sort of took a shot at them.

16:11

Has Clemson in it so really

16:14

important that he should know a little bit more. He

16:16

says, you're going to unleash holy hell on young college

16:18

athletes if you don't find some way to control

16:20

people willing to buy a player to come to a school.

16:24

That's never happened before. Yeah,

16:27

that's that's been happening for generations.

16:30

But but again, you know, the same

16:32

trappings that are going

16:34

to bring an athlete to Clemson

16:36

or to Ohio State or to one of

16:38

the you know, Texas, Oklahoma.

16:41

Uh, that doesn't change. I you

16:44

know, it's going to be the same situation with

16:46

n I L in place. And again I don't

16:49

see the reason why you would

16:51

deny these young student athletes

16:54

an opportunity to financially capitalize.

16:56

I I just fundamentally disagree

16:58

with that. Yeah, you see us to say that

17:00

we cannot have a bidding war for recruits.

17:03

He punctuates it with that,

17:05

And I, as many people

17:07

says that's

17:09

going on social media, horses

17:12

out of the barn on that one for

17:15

a long, long long

17:17

time. But Wilkinson was on

17:19

the sidelines at Oklahoma when the horse

17:22

left the barn on that one. I don't want to get into John

17:24

Wooden to change sports. I want to get into

17:26

John Wooden and how u c l A built their

17:28

powerhouse in the sixties.

17:30

But it's a long story, perhaps for

17:32

another segment or another basketball show

17:34

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17:37

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Game Live. One of the things we have talked

18:07

about in general, George, is

18:09

the idea of maybe a focus on the bullpen

18:11

this year, right, because I'm gonna do some rough math.

18:14

I know you don't love math, George, but roughly

18:16

right, we're talking about starters getting

18:19

what maybe ten, maybe nine, maybe eleven

18:21

starts per year, and we've heard a lot

18:23

of teams say that at least in the first couple of

18:26

times through the rotation, they may only

18:28

go four or five innings. Gets the program every

18:30

single day on Evan t s Y Radio and

18:32

on the Sports Grade Network. Back on the Grid,

18:35

Mike and Rich talking about fun

18:37

topic here, Rich, because you are intimately

18:39

involved in this award and

18:41

it's the Maxwell Award

18:44

watch List. Now, these watch lists obviously

18:46

come out this time of year, they start

18:48

to get whittled down throughout the year.

18:50

But you are Director of College Awards at the Maxwell

18:53

Football Club, So explain a little bit more about

18:55

the Maxwell Award, what exactly

18:57

it is to these college football players, and maybe

18:59

how differ from some of the other accolades out

19:01

there. Yeah, so quickly. I've been

19:03

affiliated with the club now for more than ten

19:06

years, same position, director of College Awards.

19:08

So I'm the guy who spends most

19:10

of the offseason developing watch lists.

19:13

Quite frankly, watch lists are great. We have a lot

19:15

of kids on there. It's a it's

19:17

a fun opportunity to shine a light

19:19

not just on the big stars, the Justin Fields

19:22

and the Trevor Lawrences, but we go deep

19:24

into every conference. You get an opportunity

19:27

to learn about, you know, the Tavin

19:29

Collins from Tulsa, the Jared Patterson

19:31

from Buffalo, the Chris Robison from

19:33

Florida, Atlantic so for those kids and those

19:35

schools, it tends to be somewhat of

19:37

a celebratory effort.

19:40

Just a couple of days ago, on Friday, we

19:42

release the watch list and and I literally

19:44

go through the entire offseason. I do

19:47

other stuff, I spend time with my family, but you

19:49

know, I I go through. I go through

19:51

everything I can, film, stats,

19:54

talking to scouts. It's it's

19:57

a lot of fun for me to call through

19:59

this in formation and and boil

20:01

it down. A couple of weeks ago we had the Banaric watch

20:04

list come out. We have awards

20:06

at the club that go from National High

20:08

School Player of the Year, offensive,

20:11

defensive. We've had the likes of Trevor

20:13

Lawrence uh uh in the House

20:16

over the Jacob Eason a few years back,

20:18

the Georgia slash Washington quarterback

20:21

uh And we also have NFL Player of the Year,

20:23

NFL Coach of the Year, College Coach of the

20:25

Year, Try State Player, and Coach of

20:27

the Year. So a lot of different awards, but the

20:29

one that's most topical right now is the

20:32

Maxwell Award, which is uh the

20:34

the equivalent of the Heisman Trophy. It's the

20:36

best player in college football and so

20:39

UH we're I want to work my way

20:42

backwards through this list because

20:44

there are ninety names, as you stated,

20:46

so there's a lot of different guys we can

20:48

go to. Obviously, I'm going to talk about David

20:50

Bailey. They're running back in Boston College because

20:54

that's what I do. It's fun for me to do it on

20:56

this show. So I'm always going to mention the v

20:58

C guys. But there are four non

21:01

skill position players, non

21:04

offensive skill position players on

21:06

the list, and it's Pine Seul. You

21:08

got Marvin Wilson from from Oregon,

21:10

Marvin Wilson from Florida State, Michael

21:12

Parsons from Penn State, and then Stingley

21:15

from l s U. Now, the likelihood

21:17

of these guys winning this particular award,

21:20

uh probably remains low, but

21:23

as you stated, there there on this list,

21:25

and they are standout guys that

21:27

have at least at the very least

21:30

have a lot of scouts looking their way as

21:32

potential first round picks. Yeah, I'm

21:34

glad you brought that up because you

21:36

know, you know, you talk about how do you what's

21:38

the difference between you know, your

21:40

awards, your club other awards.

21:42

Potentially, we really try to

21:45

go by the letter of the law, who is the most

21:48

outstanding player in college football?

21:50

So I I understand the vast

21:52

majority wind up being quarterbacks.

21:55

Joe Burrow most recently last year, was

21:57

the Maxwell Award winner. Uh

22:00

quarterbacks have reigned supreme over the better part

22:02

of the last twenty years. But it's

22:05

important for me and for the audience

22:07

that first got to look at the list on

22:10

Friday, to point out the

22:12

fact that really, by the

22:14

letter of the law, Pinay Seul probably

22:17

is one of the top five players in college

22:19

football. Willy win the award. It's

22:22

an uphill battle, you know. At some point

22:24

I'm heavily involved with the semifinalists

22:26

list, which which comes out hopefully

22:29

at the end of October, if we have a full college football

22:31

season, and then we turn it

22:33

over to s I D S head

22:36

coaches, members of the media. It's close

22:38

to a thousand voters, so it's completely

22:40

out of my control. Would

22:43

they give the award to an offensive lineman? Will they

22:45

have watched that closely? Probably

22:47

not, But it's still very important

22:50

for me again to let the audience know Panay

22:52

Suil. You mentioned Marvin Wilson, Michael

22:54

Parsons, Derek Stinkley. These are

22:57

truly among the best players

22:59

in college football entering this season. Yeah,

23:01

look, there are a number of QB

23:04

names on here that we're familiar with.

23:06

I you can scour all

23:08

over this list and you see the Ian Books

23:10

of the World and Shane Bushell, and

23:13

obviously the guys are at the top of the list,

23:15

as you said, Fields and

23:18

and others. Keaton Slova's somebody

23:20

that we talked about quite a bit, and

23:22

some other names. You see DeVonta Smith from Alabama

23:25

and Naja Harris from Alabama. So

23:28

there are standout names on here, but you

23:30

also have some other guys that maybe aren't

23:33

the first person you think of, Uh

23:35

what filer you have Khalil Pimpleton

23:38

from Central Michigan. Guys that are

23:41

not the first names that you would necessarily expect

23:43

to be on a list. But as the season progresses,

23:47

people will maybe learn a little bit about

23:49

these guys if they hadn't previously known

23:51

about Khalil Pimpleton from Central Michigan.

23:54

Yeah, and and for me, Mike gets also,

23:57

you know, again we've never never

23:59

had a in or from the mac Uh

24:02

will that change this year? From

24:04

a betting man, probably not. But

24:07

but I think these watch lists and and

24:09

listen, people go fall and they roll their

24:11

eyes and they'll they'll poke fun.

24:13

I get it. Uh, there is a marketing

24:16

tool side of this. It's certainly it

24:19

helps to get the word out for our

24:21

club, but it's also a really

24:23

good primer for fans of

24:25

the NFL or the NFL Draft, because

24:27

there are a lot of kids on this list

24:30

that maybe you haven't paid attention

24:32

to. But if you're a fantasy

24:35

guy, if you're an NFL draft guy,

24:37

if you're a fan of any one

24:39

of the thirty two teams in the NFL, not

24:42

a bad idea to start paying attention

24:45

to these kids, because they're more than just

24:47

stats compilers. They're

24:49

more than just people that I pay

24:51

attention to. NFL scouts are watching

24:53

these guys as well. Yeah, there's a couple

24:55

of guys on this list that you and I both

24:58

I've talked about in the past since said, you know

25:00

what, that guy really could have gone pro. I'm

25:03

not sure why it is that he came back. And

25:05

one of those names that jumps out to me

25:08

is Tayland Wallace from Oklahoma

25:10

State. It was thought that he could have gone pro. He's

25:13

back now at Oklahoma state.

25:15

Anybody else will talk about him for a moment,

25:17

anybody else on that list, and you're like, you know what, we

25:20

really was surprised this guy came back for another year.

25:23

Yeah, there were a couple. We might have talked about it last

25:25

month. There were a couple. And the position

25:28

is really curious to me. Thayland Wallace

25:30

not healthy at the end of last year, missed

25:33

I think the last five or six games with

25:35

an injury. Maybe that was a factor

25:38

for him. Still a surprise. I

25:40

think he could have been potentially a second round

25:42

draft choice in April. But running

25:45

backs in particular, you know, the mindset

25:47

right now is running backs have only so

25:49

many years. You want to, you know, keep

25:52

that tread on the tire for as long as you can,

25:54

or at least until you get to that point where you're being

25:56

paid. So Travis E. T n

25:58

of Clemson and not j Harris

26:00

of Alabama, for me, were two

26:03

big surprises. I thought they'd go the

26:05

Jonathan Taylor route and

26:07

say we've we've had three very

26:09

successful seasons. Again,

26:12

I think both of those kids were day

26:14

one or day to draft choices to

26:16

decide to go back to school. It's a very personal

26:19

decision. Uh, those are powerhouse

26:21

programs. I think in the case of Travis c E

26:23

t n he loves Clemson, he loves

26:25

the college experience. It meant

26:27

something to him to come

26:29

back for the senior for his senior season,

26:32

beyond just his future in the

26:34

NFL. Having said that, though, I

26:36

was shocked when mid January rolled around

26:38

and those kids did not declare for the draft, and

26:41

you got guys like Clyde Edwards Hilaire gets

26:43

drafted at the end of the first round, you had a j.

26:45

Dillon get drafted in the second round. You could

26:47

at least argue, at

26:49

the very least argue that they are on part

26:52

with those players and potentially even

26:54

bigger talents Ettenne and Edwards

26:56

Hilaire. There's a lot of comparisons to be made

26:59

about their verse utility at the very least. Yeah,

27:02

no question. Uh, you know, Travis is an

27:04

outstanding receiver out of the backfield.

27:07

We even saw that from Naja Harris last

27:09

year. There was one play you

27:11

probably saw it, Mike, or you've probably looked

27:14

at it on YouTube, you know,

27:16

where he showed both the power,

27:19

the speed and and the

27:21

overall athleticism, the explosiveness,

27:24

where he just he ran through tacklers

27:26

and then hurdled tacklers and

27:28

the kid is really the total package.

27:30

And and yeah, I don't know what more there

27:33

is for him to gain, but I

27:35

like it. I mean, I'm a college guy, I'm a

27:37

college finger. So you know what

27:39

he wants. We get a chance to see him, hopefully

27:41

for one more season. He wants to spend another

27:43

year in Tuscaloosa. You

27:46

know, maybe it has something to do with education.

27:48

Maybe there's an opportunity to get closer to a degree.

27:50

I think it's all positive as long

27:52

as obviously there's not some kind of

27:54

a serious illness and that that kind of sucks when

27:57

that happens in your senior year. Yeah, of course.

27:59

Uh. A couple of more names here,

28:01

maybe from schools that are a little bit off the

28:03

radar. You

28:06

know. Puca Williams, running back out of Kansas.

28:08

I think I think is a name that when I

28:10

looked down through Kansas is

28:12

not a not a school's

28:14

name that gets on there very often. Obviously,

28:17

less Miles is doing his best to turn

28:19

that around. We see Josh Johnson,

28:21

the running back from Louisiana. Monroe is

28:23

yet another name. Dustin Crumb

28:26

a QB out of Kent State. We talked about another

28:28

uh MAC player earlier. Names

28:31

like that. It's good to see them on the list. It gives

28:33

it look, it gives the schools. As you said, there's a Marcony

28:36

component, but it gives the schools a little bit of

28:38

a shot. And be like, see, I've been telling

28:40

you to their friends. At the very least,

28:42

if you're a fan, you say, see, I've been telling

28:45

you Dustin Crumb is legit,

28:47

or I've been telling you Puca Williams

28:49

is as good a running back as a lot of these other guys

28:52

to be mentioned on the same list.

28:54

I don't want to I don't want to overhype

28:56

it, but there is really a human

28:58

side to this. I to the business for twenty

29:01

years. I've gotten to know a lot of these kids, their

29:03

families, they're high school coaches.

29:06

When they get an opportunity to

29:09

be mentioned in the same breath

29:11

as the kids from the major schools,

29:13

the Clemsons and the Alabama's, and you

29:15

are a Puca Williams from Kansas, or

29:18

you're playing in the Sun Belt like a Josh

29:20

Johnson, it's a big deal. I

29:22

mean, I've seen it personally, I worked

29:25

with the s I d s, the s I

29:27

d s and the universities, and the fan base is Mike.

29:29

They absolutely love it.

29:31

So there's a business side of

29:33

this, but there's a human side for me

29:36

to have an opportunity to shine a light to

29:38

champion these kids who realistically

29:41

Dustin Crumb twenty t D passes

29:44

a couple of picks last year player. Is he gonna win

29:46

our award? No, it's probably

29:48

not gonna happen, but now is his opportunity

29:50

to celebrate. I think it's all positive.

29:53

But I started the whole segment saying, like,

29:55

hey, David Bailey from BC, he made

29:57

it like he's not even as good as A. J. Dillon. I

29:59

watched guys, But it's fun.

30:01

It's fun for me to talk about and I'm gonna

30:04

talk smack to people whose schools maybe don't

30:06

have somebody on there. Richardson

30:09

nor ex side as well. Right, so

30:11

real quick, you can't pick Fields or Lawrence

30:13

or Sewell. Who's the best pro

30:16

pro prospect on this list? Big

30:18

Keaton slovas fan after just one year,

30:20

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Back on the grid, Me

30:48

and Rich talking about it's

30:52

a couple of different topics here. One

30:55

is one. I'll let Rich set it up.

30:57

But you put

30:59

out a sweet last week

31:02

which you got a little bit of. The second one

31:04

you got more heat on on the first, but we'll

31:07

take the We'll take the first one as

31:09

it goes And you said here, if

31:11

the Q starting QB goes down,

31:14

these eight schools are in the best position

31:16

to handle it. I'm just gonna rip them off. Well,

31:19

actually i'll before

31:21

we rip off the schools, explain why you

31:23

threw that tweet out there first. What's your expectation

31:26

for this season? Yeah? So, I mean,

31:28

these are the things I think about before

31:31

I put a tweet out, And I always saying to you during

31:33

the break you probably go through the same thing. I I

31:35

love Twitter, and I love the communication

31:37

with with other fans who are passionate.

31:42

Yeah, it's a love hate relationship.

31:45

It depends like some people who just come at me like

31:47

cursing and stuff like that. It doesn't bother me when

31:49

people do that. I've been cursed at my whole life. It's

31:51

just the ignorance. It's like, I'll

31:53

have a debate about anything, but

31:55

you know, bring something to the table,

31:58

you know, don't just you know, don't just curse

32:00

at me. It's ridiculous. But here, here was the

32:02

impetus of that tweet was I

32:05

think this is this is obviously going to be a unique

32:07

season in college football in the NFL. And

32:10

not only I'm not suggesting that

32:13

you know, they're gonna be qbs that necessarily come

32:15

down with COVID or maybe they

32:17

will, but there's also the issue of

32:19

we've never seen such a fractured

32:22

off season in terms of conditioning.

32:24

Mike. So, you know, these kids spent

32:26

large portions of the off season where they would

32:29

normally be with their strength and conditioning

32:31

coach or on their campus and

32:33

having specific programs to strength

32:36

and weight and flexibility, versatility,

32:38

whatever the case may be. Um, these

32:40

kids were home, you know, so we we don't know

32:42

what their durability is going to look like.

32:44

We don't know what they're conditioning

32:46

is going to look like. So I think now more

32:49

than ever, depth is going to be a big factor.

32:51

So I started thinking maybe it was the weekend

32:53

before last, like, you know, who are

32:55

the cores? Who are the teams that if a quarterback

32:58

goes down, they can key the train

33:00

on the tracks? And so I was sort of the

33:03

uh, the brainchild of that week. Yeah,

33:05

so we got eight schools

33:07

that you ripped off here, what we want to take him?

33:10

One at a time, We'll go with. Yeah,

33:13

George's first. So Georgia obviously has

33:15

some depth here. They just landed a couple of

33:17

guys this offseason, so they're the

33:19

team that will be most prepared if

33:21

somebody were to go down. Uh, So

33:23

explain their depth chart a little bit for everybody out there.

33:26

Yeah, that that would not have been

33:28

the case had it not been for

33:30

um J. T. Daniels being declared

33:33

eligible for this season. He's the USC

33:35

former USC starting quarterback. Um

33:39

spent his whole freshman season as the starter

33:41

for Troy, was the starter at the beginning

33:44

of last year, injured in the opener,

33:46

lost for the season, and then the legend

33:48

of Keith Slovis was born. But J. T. Daniels

33:51

is a legit blue chip quarterback

33:54

who was starting for one of the premier programs

33:56

out west UH and now

33:58

will either be the starter UH

34:01

for for Todd Monkins offense or

34:03

be the backup to Jamie Newman.

34:05

So two high profile transfers.

34:07

Newman comes over from Wake Forest, Daniels

34:10

comes over from USC. So UH

34:13

Kirby smart in a really good

34:15

position, better position than people would have expected,

34:18

considering they unexpectedly lost Jake

34:20

from to the NFL. All else equal,

34:23

Um, I mean, George

34:25

is gonna win so many games. Can

34:28

you see a possibility

34:30

of Daniel's sort of out playing

34:32

getting in there on his own merit outside

34:35

of injury to displace Newman. Yeah,

34:37

my money is on Jamie Newman. I just

34:40

think he's the better all around quarterback.

34:42

I don't think it's a popular opinion. It's

34:45

um. It's funny. People I've spoken

34:47

to UM seemed

34:49

to think, you know, he was the USC starter.

34:51

I think they dismissed the fact that Jamie

34:54

Newman was the starter at Wake Forest. They

34:56

had this mentality of big

34:59

fish, small pawn. Demon Deakins

35:01

who cares small a

35:03

C C campus program out of Winston

35:06

Salem. Big whoopee was good

35:09

uh down there in uh

35:11

in North Carolina. He's legit.

35:13

I think he's a legitimate NFL

35:15

quarterback, great arm talent, UH,

35:18

solid athlete outside of the pocket.

35:21

I think he's gonna be a star for Georgia

35:23

UM J T. Daniels. And maybe

35:25

it's a little bit unfair Mike, but because

35:29

he was a freshman, still young,

35:31

still growing. But you know, Joe Leasy

35:33

and I talked about a lot in two thousand

35:35

and eighteen the progression

35:37

that we had hoped to see throughout

35:39

his freshman season. You know, oftentimes young

35:42

quarterbacks, once we get to

35:44

late October November into the bowl

35:46

game, you're starting to see a kid

35:48

who's playing like a sophomore. I didn't

35:51

see that. I don't think Joe did either from

35:53

J. T. Daniels. And then we only got one

35:55

game out of him last year. So I

35:58

think Jamie Newman is the more advance aunts

36:00

quarterback, and I'm really bullish

36:02

on his future, not just in two thousand

36:04

and twenty, but on Sundays as well. It's like how

36:06

the legend of Sam Donald was born really at

36:09

the end of his freshman years when he proved

36:11

to people like, you know what, this guy might be a star

36:13

remains be seen at the NFL level. So

36:16

keep going through the next few Arkansas

36:19

State comes in. Uh, is that

36:21

Arkansas State? Or apple Aga State? Um? So it's

36:23

Arkansas,

36:26

Arkansas State, Boise State, Miami.

36:28

The next three. Yeah,

36:30

you know, in Arkansas State. And it's

36:32

funny because I I love people come after

36:34

me and they think it's uh, you know, I'm I'm

36:36

looking for tweets or retweets, um

36:39

or likes from from the Red Wolves

36:41

fan base. I don't do that. I

36:43

mean, that's generally my opinion, some times wrong

36:45

and hopefully oftentimes I'm right.

36:48

But Arkansas State, the concept

36:50

of the tweet was the idea was who

36:53

is most likely to not skip a beat

36:55

if they're starting quarterback goes down,

36:57

and in Arkansas State had

36:59

that. Here's the perfect example, Mike. So that's

37:02

exactly what happened to

37:04

Blake Anderson's team last year. Logan

37:07

bonn Or was the starter, uh

37:09

tent t d passes one pick

37:11

through the first month of the season, and

37:14

then he did go down and Lane Hatcher

37:16

transfer from Alabama comes

37:19

over and throws twenty seven touchdown

37:21

passes, so that the two compared uh

37:24

combined for thirty seven touchdown passes

37:26

did not skip a beat. Lane

37:28

Hatcher was spectacular, but Blake Anderson

37:31

has said in the offseason that an injury

37:33

is not enough of a reason for a kid

37:35

to lose his job. So we're gonna go back to probably

37:38

where we were last year, where it's Logan bond Or

37:40

starting, and the kid who threw

37:42

twenty seven touchdown passes and

37:44

was all Sunbelt now is a backup.

37:47

So that's the reason why they're number two. Surprised

37:50

in some ways, you medn't see a transfer out

37:52

of that school, right That has been that has

37:54

been the modus operandi

37:57

for a lot of quarterbacks that felt like they should

37:59

be starting in other areas.

38:01

So let's skip around the list

38:03

a little bit. I mean, it's not surprising to see

38:05

some of the names on here, like Miami they

38:07

have Derrick King there. USC. You just

38:09

mentioned Keaton Slovis. But despite

38:11

losing JT. Daniels, if Keaton Slovis

38:14

goes down, god forbid, USC is still

38:16

in a good spot, right yeah. And

38:18

the reason for that, well, there's a reason for

38:20

everything. I do. It makes it so much easier

38:22

because I get questioned all the time, and

38:24

and you know the reason for that was

38:26

is we saw Matt Think last year. You

38:29

know, because um Jack Sears

38:31

transferred to Boise State, so Boise State

38:34

has better depth. J T. Daniels

38:36

transfers to Georgia, as

38:38

we just mentioned. But Matt Fink is

38:40

still in Los Angeles. And what

38:43

he did last year when Keaton Slopus

38:45

was hurt is he led USC

38:47

to a huge victory

38:50

over Utah in Salt Lake

38:52

City. So we've had an opportunity to

38:54

see him in that chance

38:56

to be the starter, to

38:59

have a big spot light opportunity, and

39:01

he excelled at it. So that was my mindset.

39:03

Matt Think now, realizing

39:05

he doesn't have to compete with Jack Sears, he

39:08

thought about transferring. There was talk he was gonna

39:10

go to Illinois, but J T. Daniels

39:12

left. So I like math

39:15

it perfect veteran quarterback behind

39:17

the young star, perfect backup situation

39:19

for Clayholton. All right. I hesitated

39:22

to talk about Oregon because they're dealing with

39:24

my old QB. But Oregon is

39:26

on this list. Is he The starter

39:28

is brown? The starter is Brown? Not the

39:30

starter. That's one of the questions they'll answer. But

39:33

depth behind him obviously. Yeah, that's

39:35

a great question because you know Oregon is

39:37

here. Because I think it's going to

39:40

be Anthony Brown as as the backup.

39:42

I think Tyler Show is going to take over.

39:44

He's been in that program for the past couple

39:47

of years. Mario Cristo Ball groomed

39:49

him as Justin Herbert's backup

39:51

to eventually take over. It's built a

39:53

lot like Justin Herbert, a

39:56

big athletic kid. We'll see

39:58

what he does with his accuracy, his ability

40:00

to read defenses. I

40:03

see it as Tyler being the

40:05

starter. You bring in Anthony Brown

40:07

from Boston College, perfect

40:09

backup situations, starting experience.

40:13

I don't know your feelings. You know you're closer

40:15

to the BC program, Mike than I am.

40:17

But when he was healthy, there were

40:20

times that he flashed, and there were times

40:22

I was really impressed with his passing ability

40:25

Anthony Brown. That is, so if

40:27

he's pressed into action, if Tyler

40:29

goes down and it's Anthony Brown on

40:31

the field, I think Oregon's in

40:33

a lot better situation than say,

40:36

you know, the Clemson program, whose Ohio State's

40:38

backup you know, Ohio State had two seniors

40:40

last year behind Justin Fields.

40:43

Now they've gotten extremely young. So at least

40:45

Anthony Brown is a known commodity.

40:47

Yeah. I think he dealt with some injuries while

40:49

he was there. I think there are

40:52

times when BC

40:54

quarterbacks are at the mercy of

40:56

what their strengths are in terms

40:58

of team strengths and last couple

41:01

of years. Obviously that's

41:03

a j. Dillon and the offensive lineman. These

41:05

are guys that are getting drafted on award

41:07

watched lists, second round draft

41:09

picks, first round draft picks last year

41:12

with Chris Lynstrom, so they

41:14

you're beholden to what is the strength of

41:16

the team. Um. I've

41:18

never thought BC, frankly

41:21

since Matt Ryan graduated to have much

41:24

of a dynamic offense the Tyler Murphy

41:26

year, notwithstanding when he ran

41:28

for a thousand yards at QB. But

41:31

there's a lot worse positions to be and then

41:33

to have Anthony Brown as your backup

41:36

QB. Look. I for

41:38

the sake of the starter, I hope he doesn't get

41:40

much of a chance, but if he does, I

41:42

hope he makes the most of it. He's not a pro prospect

41:45

by any stretch in my mind. I don't think

41:47

he's accurate enough, but um, good

41:50

for him. And let's wrap it up with b

41:52

y U. I know I skipped overall miss and Boise

41:55

and Miami, so their fans can hate on me, but

41:57

let's wrap it up with b y U because they made the list as

42:00

well. Yeah, Zack Wilson, his

42:02

lack of dourability is a big

42:04

reason why b y U winds up on

42:07

the list. I think I have them at number

42:09

eight. I think I think they were at the bottom of the list,

42:11

but last season bottom not

42:14

so bad. Hundred

42:16

and thirty. Yes, it's actually it's

42:18

actually a pretty good position. But three

42:21

different current b y U quarterbacks

42:24

Mike have started and one games

42:26

as starters. Jar Jarren Hall

42:29

is the more versatile of the quarterbacks.

42:32

Baylor. What last name

42:34

would you expect a b y U quarterback

42:36

to be? Baylor Romney? Yet

42:38

another Romney coming out of b

42:41

y U country. So Baylor Romney

42:43

played really well last year in four

42:45

games, lad b y U

42:47

to an upset win over Boise States.

42:50

So you've got three quarterbacks with starting

42:52

experience behind Zack Wilson. It's

42:54

Zack Wilson's job. Zach Wilson is

42:57

a member of that long Maxwell Award

42:59

watch us. But he's got to understudies

43:02

with experience behind him. Yeah.

43:04

Well, since we two have another minute to go, how

43:07

about out of Boise Miami

43:10

or all miss You picked the school

43:12

and we can expand upon

43:14

that. Well, let's do Miami since the King

43:17

King is getting all the pub who

43:19

would have been playing there dr King and not transferred.

43:22

Yeah, another school that lost

43:25

the transfer. Jarren Williams started some games

43:27

last year, decided to transfer. But Nicozy

43:29

Perry is back. And one of the

43:31

things I was looking for is competence,

43:34

Yes, but I'm looking for experience. Nakozy

43:36

Perry has almost a full season

43:39

of starting experience. The folks

43:41

I talked to at Miami close to that program

43:43

say he's had his best

43:45

off season so far with

43:48

the program, despite the fact that it's been abbreviated.

43:51

So you know, I want to back up at

43:53

this level, who has played, who

43:55

has started, who has faced good competition.

43:57

That's Nakozy Perry. Uh, that's

44:00

the reason why he's here. Quickly. Boise

44:02

State has Jack Sears, the USC quarterback,

44:04

and Chase Cord, who started when Hank

44:07

bock Meyer went down last year, and

44:09

old Miss and Lane Kiffin have two starting

44:11

quarterbacks in uh John Reese Plumley

44:14

and Matt Coral, both of whom started

44:16

numerous games last year. Yeah, so we bounced

44:18

around that list a little bit obviously. As Rich

44:20

said, it's intended to give people a sense

44:23

of what team won't miss a beat

44:25

if the QB goes down this year more

44:27

than any other when you see qbs go

44:29

down for a variety of different reasons, or at least

44:31

have to take a game or two off if

44:33

they test positive for COVID. I think that's an

44:35

interesting tweet to sift through and

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45:18

Full Circle. My friend Rich dear Mannello.

45:21

He is the co host of College

45:23

Football today and he's having

45:25

a little fun with people on Twitter last

45:27

week. And I saw it, and

45:29

there's a lot of people that hated you for it, but

45:32

such as the nature of that type

45:34

of communication, but it was an interesting topic.

45:36

And you said, here, you're a top recruit,

45:39

which current coach would you most want to play for?

45:41

Try not to think trying to think only about the coach and

45:43

not the school he's at right now, because obviously

45:45

these guys can move around. Most

45:47

of these guys are in place, maybe

45:50

not Matt Campbell, but Lincoln

45:53

Riley, David Shaw, Scott Frost, Herm

45:55

Edwards, Matt Campbell, David Cutcliffe,

45:57

Jeff Halfley is conspicuously

45:59

absent from this list, but

46:03

characters might That's right, that's right.

46:05

It's a two eight limit, is pesky,

46:07

but uh so give

46:10

me your thought process. You really got a couple of minutes. But

46:12

why these guys and not saying the other names,

46:15

just pure personality And and that was

46:17

what I wanted to invite, uh, you know, people

46:19

and the people on the Twitter spear to to join

46:22

me. And I got a lot of feedback. The one that was most

46:24

interesting was tons of support

46:26

for p J Fleck. P J Fleck has done a

46:28

remarkable job. This was not about

46:30

whether I think he's a good coach, just

46:33

I know my personality. I don't need

46:35

a lot of motivation. I don't really react

46:37

to rah Ra. During the days when

46:40

I was a young athlete, raw Rod just

46:42

didn't work for me. It was unnecessary.

46:44

So the row of the boat and the PJ. Fleck

46:46

type of personality I think would eventually

46:48

great on my nerves. But that's me. I like more

46:50

of the cerebral coach. That's why

46:53

you see David Shaw, you see

46:55

uh, David Cutcliffe. I

46:57

love the herm edwords model.

47:00

I'm not just going to prepare you to be a football player, but I'm

47:02

gonna prepare you for the rest of your life. So there

47:04

was a lot of thought that went into it,

47:07

uh, and I got a lot of great feedback. But the

47:09

most interesting thing was UH, not

47:11

having p J. Fleck and having Scott

47:13

Frost from his same division really rankled

47:16

a lot of people in Minnesota. Yeah. Look, Scott

47:18

Frost got a lot of cash right, and he was

47:20

a national championship winnings quarterback.

47:22

He coached a team to an undefeated season. Now

47:24

he's back in his home state trying

47:27

to win it all. So good stuff there. I

47:29

think Ryan Day will grow on people

47:32

over time. UH, people

47:34

will start to learn a little bit more about his

47:36

personality. I think he will be interesting.

47:39

I think BC missed a golden opportunity

47:41

uh to hire him when he back when he

47:43

was the coordinator. There so a little fun

47:46

with Rich on this list on

47:48

behalf of Rich Jarmanella, the co host of College

47:50

Football Today, and my producer Brian

47:52

Rokowski. Always well prepared. I

47:55

hope you enjoyed watching this edition of

47:57

Football Full Circle. We'll see again next

47:59

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