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grid. Mike blew At George Kurtz ready

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to get into it. Regarding the NFL,

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So, George, We've had to deal with a lot

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of heavy topics in recent weeks,

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frankly, in recent months, whether

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it's the pandemic, whether it's social

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justice issues, and this week

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was no different. We had a different

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issue arise this week regarding DeShawn

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Jackson of the Philadelphia

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Eagles. As everybody

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I'm sure knows by now, he

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shared some uh

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right, he shared some quotes that

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he related to Adolf Hitler.

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Essentially in support of these quotes, I'm

1:00

not going to read them out loud. I'm not going to post

1:02

them on the screen because they're ignorant

1:04

and offensive and I don't really think

1:06

it's property keep putting

1:08

it out there in any event, um,

1:12

his stupidity might

1:14

be actually outweigh

1:18

his anti Semitism in this case, which

1:20

is hard to do. But the reality is

1:22

this happened, and we've

1:24

received a response which I thought was

1:27

extremely well done by Julian Edelman,

1:30

who has Jewish heritage. He

1:32

even says is in in his Instagram post

1:34

which we have up on the screen, that he's

1:37

really fighting for people

1:39

to come together. He says specifically

1:42

compassion, empathy, and love

1:44

he talks in this video, and I thought he was really eloquent

1:46

with it. I thought he he probably obviously

1:49

wrote this statement prepared thought

1:51

about it. I think that's the wise thing to do

1:54

when you're trying to speak on an issue like this. But

1:56

he's again, compassion, empathy

1:58

and love is what he focused on, and forgiveness

2:01

in this instance. I think some people

2:03

were waiting for a larger response,

2:05

perhaps from the Eagles from the league, but as

2:08

probably the most widely known Jewish

2:11

player in the NFL, Julian

2:13

Edelman responded and I thought he responded very

2:15

well. Oh. I thought he just wanted extremely

2:17

well and what response

2:19

was, will go down to Washington, d C. We'll

2:22

visit the Slavery Museum, and we'll visit the

2:24

Holocaust Museum, you know, we can both learn

2:26

more about about the other.

2:28

You know, that's a very measure response. That makes sense.

2:31

We're we're living in tough times right now. Yeah,

2:34

we we say this over and over again, Mike. Players

2:37

have to think before you hit the

2:39

send button. Al right. Everything. This

2:41

is not the seventies, eighties and nineties for that matter,

2:43

where no one's gonna hear what you say, or very few people.

2:46

Everything is recorded nowadays. As soon as you hit sent,

2:48

it's out there. It's on the public medium,

2:50

public forum forever. All right,

2:52

And I think before you

2:54

talk. I mean, I don't know what the shoan Jackson

2:57

was truly thinking. What was It isn't even

2:59

a real So he's going

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around just wildly picking things

3:03

off the internet and sharing it with people.

3:06

It is obviously blatantly anti semitic,

3:09

which is gross, and it is also

3:11

totally inaccurate. You just don't do

3:13

that. I mean, you can't do I didn't know. You don't know.

3:16

I mean, did you go to school a day graduate

3:19

in college? You can't tell me you don't know. It's

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probably the first to tell you. I don't think I know everything about

3:24

slavery. I doubt it very much, I've got everything

3:26

about the Holocaust. You know, obviously those

3:28

don't don't affect me. I am not Jewish,

3:31

I have no I understand. I understand what happened

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was terrible thing. You don't make light of it,

3:35

you don't talk about it. It just it

3:37

was a strange thing to him that even delve into you

3:40

know, that's just weird. You

3:42

hope he just he meant something but

3:44

said something else. But once again, read

3:46

what you say, and if you

3:48

have any doubt, you don't say it. It's really that simple.

3:51

I like what Edelman took it, you know,

3:53

I think, uh, I think it really equates to

3:55

a wide variety of things. If you don't know something,

3:58

go find out more about it. I think it equateness

4:00

to sort of the name changes that they're

4:02

talking about throughout all sports, right, how

4:04

the Indians, Braves, chief Seminoles, the

4:07

emoton Eskimos, how they're all told

4:09

about these name changes. If I'm an owner,

4:11

you know, I think, listen the Worston football team name. I

4:14

don't need to talk there. I know that's racist, I

4:16

know that needs to be changed. But for the stuff like the Indians,

4:19

uh, chief Seminoles, and go on and on here.

4:21

I'd like to talk to the once again that

4:24

the Indians to find out is that offensive

4:26

to you? Is the Are the Cleveland Indians defensive?

4:28

It is? Why? Because to me it's just it's

4:30

just name a group of people, vikings group

4:33

of people. Is uh, it's defensive?

4:35

Why? And I'd want to hear a logic

4:37

behind it if you could tell me, Okay, I understand

4:39

now, and now the names should be changed? Ye?

4:42

Yeah, actually leads you. I'll

4:45

get back to the main track in a

4:47

moment. But I was on with game

4:49

Rency and Cam Steward on our network

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which I am every week as you are in

4:54

Game Time Decisions, and the

4:56

subject came up the Edmonton

4:58

Eskimos of the fl uh

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and they're on their way to changing their name,

5:03

and we had an open discussion, and frankly, I

5:05

admitted I'm pretty ignorant as to whether

5:08

or not that is an offensive term. I did

5:10

a little bit research. Maybe it's half

5:12

pass internet research, but I

5:14

did a little bit of research, and I understand how

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that phrase can be used

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in a derogatory manner. And I

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think there are some Inuit people

5:23

that are offended by it, and there are some

5:25

that are not, but ultimately if

5:28

it's it gave me the point that

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if you have to really debate whether or not something

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is offensive or racist, you

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probably should just get rid of it or stop using

5:37

it or whatever else. So I

5:39

think that's part of it. But to your point, like you

5:41

really need to educate yourself, it's not

5:44

possible for us to know every single

5:46

thing about every issue or etymology

5:48

of particular names, So you have to

5:50

do some research, talk to somebody, do some of

5:52

your own research, and move on from there.

5:55

But um at

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al Hitler, I thought it was prettily widely

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rebuked any

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of his teachings, his writings, whatever.

6:04

But Sean Jackson had to

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learn this yet again. But it follows up

6:08

again at the end of the week with Julian Edelman.

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He said he spoke uh to Sean

6:13

and I spoke for a while last night. We're making plans

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to use our experiences to educate one another

6:18

and grow together. Stay tuned. I

6:20

think it's a really grown up,

6:22

intelligent response. I think it

6:24

is more helpful in the long run

6:26

to do something like this than to cut

6:29

to Sean Jackson and have him

6:31

out of league. I wouldn't criticize the

6:33

Eagles had they made that response,

6:36

um both. We'll get to why

6:38

that matters in a moment, but I wouldn't necessarily

6:41

Look, if you and I said it on air, or if we

6:43

said it at a corporate job, we

6:45

should be rightly fired. In

6:47

this instance, a high profile figure

6:50

who obviously has

6:52

the added complication of being this talented

6:55

player that they need for their

6:57

success of their team creates complications.

7:00

Know, if I was so valuable to

7:02

sports Grid that I could say something that

7:04

like that on air and just get suspended and

7:06

come back, Uh you know, that

7:09

would mean that would mean I was extremely valuable.

7:11

But I don't really have the liberty of saying something like that.

7:13

I wouldn't in the first place. But uh

7:16

so on the Eagles front, George,

7:18

it is something

7:21

that has obviously happened to their organization

7:23

in the not too distant past. Riley

7:25

Cooper was caught on camera using

7:27

a racial slur. He was not

7:29

cut by the team, he was basically

7:32

given a two days suspension, stayed

7:34

with the team, ultimately signed an extension

7:37

with them, And now de Sean Jackson finds

7:39

himself in similar waters.

7:41

I would not equate the two. I think

7:43

there are differences but nonetheless

7:47

um the Eagles

7:50

with the same response that they had for

7:52

Riley Cooper, keeping the person in

7:54

the organization, using it as a teaching

7:56

moment, and trying to move on. I give Jeff

7:58

Lury credit. I don't that everybody would

8:01

be that tolerant

8:03

to do so. But he's doing

8:06

the same thing that he did a few years ago, even if

8:08

the incidences don't compare well.

8:11

See I'm more. I

8:13

don't think tell Laurie's being tolerant at all, and

8:16

he comes down to the talent level once

8:18

again. All owners care about is how

8:20

you can help the team. They hire criminals

8:22

all the time. Guys have been convicted of this, beating

8:25

people, beating their spouses. We see this all

8:27

the time, and you get second and third chances.

8:29

If you can help the team, you'll be

8:31

forgiven. If you're a lesser player, you're

8:34

done. You know. The short Jason can

8:36

help the Philadelphi Eagles. He can be their

8:38

deep threat. Take that safety blow what top off, you

8:41

know, open up things on underneath

8:43

for you know, whatever it might be. So he

8:45

can help the team. He gets away with it. Raley

8:47

Cooper back then could help the team.

8:49

He gets away with it. You know said

8:51

two days suspension. Are you kidding me? Laurie

8:54

sort of has no choice here, all right.

8:57

If he were to release

8:59

hey, the salary cap implications as well, by the

9:01

way to releasing all Jackson, maybe they

9:03

can get out of it. You know. See if there's a close

9:05

in there, you know, behavior close the right

9:08

to be a court battle, you know, maybe you

9:10

win, maybe you don't, you know that sort

9:12

of thing. So but the bottom line to me is he can still

9:15

help the team if he will, maybe two years

9:17

from now where his legs are gone. He's not fast, can't

9:19

really help he He's a fringe wide receiver. If

9:21

he's the sixth wide receiver on the team,

9:24

he's already on the straight looking for a johns Riley

9:26

Cooper that valuable got

9:28

that five year extension, and he must I mean I never

9:30

thought he was anything. Especially we got a five year extension. They

9:32

must have thought he was valued. He didn't play up to it, nowhere

9:34

near close, but they must have thought. So listen,

9:37

maybe you want to play the other side. Maybe they're

9:39

a very tolerant organization. I

9:42

don't know, but in

9:44

the end, I thought they should have cut

9:46

Cooper, and I think they should cut Jackson. Yeah,

9:48

it should be noted that Jeffrey Lowy is

9:51

Jewish, as is their general manager, Howie

9:53

Roseman. So, um,

9:55

you know they're Look, there's been a bunch of

9:58

this. This cycle that we've

10:00

gone through has happened several times recently,

10:04

right where somebody says

10:06

something, they're rebuked for

10:08

it, they quickly apologize,

10:11

and it moves out of the news cycle. Even

10:14

if the the

10:17

egregious nature of the offenses

10:19

is a different level, it seems

10:22

like it's sort of the same playbook. But

10:24

I'd like to end it on the positive note

10:27

talking about Edelman. You know, Drew Brees

10:29

for what he said, other people for

10:31

what they said. Um, these

10:33

things aren't on equal levels. Drew Brees is

10:35

a political slightly, it's

10:37

not. It's really like a personal stance of

10:39

his. He didn't say anything outright

10:41

offensive. His his tweet,

10:44

his um, his video that surfaced

10:47

was about his personal opinion. People thought it

10:49

was a distraction from what was going

10:51

on. In fact, I thought that I was

10:53

critical of the timing of his statement.

10:56

I'm not really critical of the words

10:59

within it, only because feel it's his personal

11:01

right to have that stance. It's

11:03

he would do he feels that way. Maybe

11:05

I feel a different way, But I wasn't criticizing him

11:07

for the words. There's more the timing of it, and I

11:09

thought his answer was out of place. Again,

11:12

we don't have to relitigate

11:14

that. But again, I think what Edelman

11:16

did here is extremely

11:20

admirable, and I

11:22

hope it does continue to educate

11:25

people. I hope they film this. I hope they make

11:27

a mini documentary out of it, and we

11:29

get a tour of each of those museums

11:31

so that people want to go to those museums and learn

11:33

more about it themselves. That's what I hope

11:35

would happen. In the end. It

11:38

is once again, knowledge is power. You

11:40

don't know, find out about it. If

11:42

you truly don't know what about slavery,

11:44

about that, this country's history, y slavery, all the Holocaust,

11:47

and maybe you should. You should visit these museums

11:49

or go on do a deeper Google search.

11:52

You makes, it's not out there, all right. We all don't

11:54

know everything about everything, all right. I

11:56

mean, I understand there's a you

11:58

know, people are gonna say stupid things that they don't mean. But

12:01

this is why you're the old hermit, I which think think

12:03

before you hit sent, and then don't hit sent pretty much,

12:06

don't do it anyway as if you hit If you put

12:08

it out there, then it's you know, it's yours to hang

12:10

around your neck. You put it out there, and now you've gotta

12:12

live with it, you know. And I think

12:14

a part of the problem with the Shawn Jackson his when he

12:16

made his apology, and you know how I feel about apologies

12:18

in every sense, that's where the pr people

12:20

get above it. But even that he said, well

12:23

it was misunderstood, So you're not apologizing.

12:25

You told me I misunderstood it, right, I

12:27

mean, now you just not even apologize anymore.

12:30

And I did that bother some people as well. It

12:32

wasn't very well done. Yeah,

12:34

so all right. So and on the positive

12:36

note, Julian Edelman and here are going to

12:38

get together and hopefully we'll learn a little

12:40

bit more about their journey and how

12:43

uh Sean can be educated

12:45

and how other people can be educated

12:48

on that. So, I know there's many other tentacles

12:50

to this topic, but it is a sports talk

12:52

show and we're going to try and get onto

12:54

talking some actual football, which we will. We're gonna

12:56

focus on the m C West today in

12:59

subsequent segment, But it's the Broncos next,

13:01

Justin Simmons in the news. We'll

13:03

talk about him and everything else related to their season.

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the good vibes to me, so no

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problem. So, uh, talking

13:53

about the Denver Broncos. That franchise

13:55

tag deadline, George coming up early

13:59

this ear this next week, really

14:01

um on July July,

14:04

I believe that is Wednesday. Yeah, so Wednesday

14:07

afternoon is the deadline to which

14:09

these players now, none of the

14:11

franchise tagged players have signed

14:14

an extension. Many have signed

14:16

tenders, but as you see on

14:18

the screen right here, Broncos safety Justin

14:20

Simmons is via Adam Schefter is

14:23

officially has accepted his franchise

14:25

tender and is expected to sign it this weekend.

14:27

Per sources. It's just a formality now.

14:30

Four franchise players have not signed their tender.

14:32

Joanna King, Gockway, Shack Barrett,

14:34

Chris Jones, and A J. Green. Chris

14:38

Jones and Jan Gockway. I

14:40

believe those are the most it's

14:43

the word I'm looking for, the

14:45

most tenuous, the most acrimonious

14:48

right now between their current teams and got Ways that's

14:50

not even acrimonious, like they're just done with one another.

14:53

Uh, he's moved on. I don't know how that plays

14:55

out for him, but um

14:57

A J. Green Shack Barrett will see on that

15:00

front, perhaps both looking for potential

15:02

long term extensions, although I'm not sure why A J.

15:05

Green wants to do that in any event where

15:07

where he currently plays. But on

15:10

the Justin Simmons side,

15:13

we've talked about it for a while. Of all

15:15

of the players that signed the franchise

15:17

tag, he seemed the most

15:20

likely to get a long term deal done.

15:23

Many of these franchise tags George were

15:25

used, and there's fourteen players on it. Many

15:28

of them were used really because of the funky

15:30

nature of this season right

15:33

now that this all happened right

15:35

about when the pandemic was starting

15:38

to occur. Um,

15:40

you'd have to be pretty

15:44

into pretty accomplished

15:46

prognosticator to realize the

15:48

ripple effects that this pandemic

15:51

was going to have back in the second

15:53

week of March. But it

15:56

was used pretty liberally, I think by

15:58

teams because the cat forget

16:00

all the COVID stuff, the cap

16:03

was sort of unknown, right, we

16:05

are we going to sign this is the c b

16:08

A. The CBA was locked down, But

16:10

are we going to get

16:12

a huge bump? When are we going to renegotiate

16:14

the TV deals? What is the capital like

16:17

next year? And I think teams just

16:19

sort of liberally used the franchise tag this

16:21

year in order to just punt punt

16:24

a year. Oh,

16:26

I think you're right. I think this is a This

16:28

is a weird season. I mean, for

16:31

the reason you've mentioned, by the way, the pandemic obviously screwing

16:33

things up in old sports as far as money is concerned,

16:35

finances and the fact that everyone knows

16:37

these big TV deals are coming, all right,

16:40

so you sort of want to wait to get the biggest slice of

16:42

that pie, all right. So I think, yes, I

16:44

think this is all played into it a lot. Nobody

16:46

knows what's going to happen. I mean, are

16:48

the gonna play a full season? Are they gonna play with fans

16:50

without fans? Is next season affected?

16:53

And we all hope this is the dump by next season,

16:55

but we don't know that either, you know, a

16:58

sort of up in the end. We don't know. So

17:00

this is sort of a mess. And there's only

17:02

it's anybody who's great or the

17:04

the expert at this right now, because no, we've we've

17:07

never done this before the history of sports. We've

17:09

had something like this, the Spanish flu in

17:11

nineteen seventeen. Ye there are a lot of opressional sports

17:13

going on then, so no one knows what they're doing right

17:16

now. Also, in the middle of a World war then we

17:18

still played through it, right at least our issues the

17:21

World War. Uh, this is it's

17:23

a weird timing it really, it truly

17:25

is. I don't know what's gonna happen Wednesday. I think

17:27

you and I were what we put the under under over

17:29

on the franchise players two and a half that

17:32

signed long term deals under

17:35

But it could be three. We were we

17:37

We don't think it'll be any more than three. Three would be

17:39

Wow. They got I think Simmons, Barrett,

17:44

maybe Dak and maybe Dak. Right, that's the only three

17:46

guys I can even remotely consider. Sonny,

17:48

you mentioned Nick Awkway, the

17:51

Jackson they you blew

17:53

that head. You're not getting anywhere near what you want to get for him,

17:55

by the way, it's not gonna happen, so good

17:57

luck. Yeah, they played them, They played

17:59

them selves into a worst draft pick. Now, yeah,

18:02

you should should have just taken the second round pick

18:04

and moved on and then you could have gotten

18:06

You should have gotten rid of them. Now now it's

18:09

buried and he's never gonna show up and

18:11

whatever. So

18:13

so justin Simmons, they're saying, so some

18:15

of the uh from via rotal

18:18

World, they're talking about UH. Two sides

18:21

talking about this long term deal. He's twenty

18:23

six years old. By the way, he is a Boston College

18:25

alum. George and I'm a huge fan of his Uh,

18:27

do you have an overrun that how many times you had? Well,

18:31

if it comes up, it's what I'm gonna

18:33

do a half on that too. By the way, I'll probably take the

18:35

over all. Right, Well, so it's one so far.

18:38

So. Former Boston College great Justin

18:40

Simmons will make eleven point four for

18:42

one million this upcoming season. He's

18:44

Pro Football Focus is number two grade at safety

18:46

with an All Pro nod this past

18:48

season. He's going to garner a four year contract

18:51

worth upwards of fifteen million dollars annually.

18:54

George, we talked about safety is not getting paid.

18:56

But Simmons really good timing

18:59

here. He's ob the said key cog in their defense

19:01

and it is a good defense led by

19:04

Vic Fangio von Miller on the

19:06

field. And the four

19:08

year, fifteen million dollar deal really good money

19:10

for a safety. And he can be a free agent again

19:13

by the time he's thirty. Now, that deal that

19:16

would be a little bit harder to get. There's very few

19:18

guys that get that. You have to be in the Palamalo Earl

19:20

Thomas range in order to keep getting those deals.

19:22

But good deal is gonna get paid.

19:25

I think he's one of the guys that will sign that long term deal.

19:28

What it all comes down to, we say the safeties. I like to

19:30

say safeties don't get paid, the running backs of defense.

19:33

It all depends upon the

19:35

team. Do they value that position. Not

19:37

every team does. The Broncos seem to be

19:39

one of those teams where they do well. They're at

19:41

the very least not against paying it, like

19:43

the Jets seemed to be against paying it with Jamal Adams.

19:45

Right, we think Jamal Adams is great, maybe the best

19:47

safety of the game, but they don't want to pay him, you

19:49

know. So he's like they're they're a team that doesn't believe

19:52

in that. The Broncos do seem to believe in it. And

19:54

listen, they also has played four seasons

19:56

and as an All Pro, like Jamal Adams

19:59

hasn't done that. I think

20:01

he should get an extension from the Jets, and

20:03

he's been aggressive in negotiating

20:06

all of this out in public. Obviously,

20:08

will it work for him, I don't know. I'm

20:10

not gonna be grudge him. I understand why Jets

20:13

fans are irritated by it, but guys

20:15

trying to get paid like it's a negotiating

20:17

tactic. It is. And I think part of

20:19

it is why Jamal I'm just doing what he's doing, is because

20:22

of the position he plays. I think he

20:24

was another position where he knows, oh, you're gonna get paid eventually,

20:26

he'd be fine, he would be taking this text.

20:28

But the fact that he's not. If you're not gonna

20:30

pay me, get rid of me, let me go someone who was gonna pay me that if

20:33

you have no one to let go. He's

20:35

from Dallas. Earl Thomas is from there. I'm

20:37

sure they're talking. I'm sure

20:39

Earl Thomas and Jamal Adams

20:41

have had a conversation and

20:44

he's given him some advice, some friendly advice,

20:47

and he's taking it. I don't know if it will work, but we'll

20:49

see, all right. So let's talking about the Broncos.

20:52

I'm gonna set up their season here.

20:54

Will talk through their schedule a little bit. But odds

20:58

on the Broncos this year to win the A of see

21:00

West plus eleven to

21:02

win the AMC Championship, plus

21:04

three thousand to win the Super Bowl, plus six thousand.

21:07

The wind totals seven and a half. It's minus

21:09

one tent on both sides, So there's no juice and they

21:11

were exactly like that last year.

21:14

So I think the Broncos are just one of those

21:16

teams perenni the perennial perennially

21:19

now excuse me that

21:21

UM people have a tough time getting

21:23

beat on, and they actually ended up

21:26

pushing last year. I think it was seven, and

21:28

they pushed UH to make the

21:30

playoffs plus one eighty and

21:33

no as minus two. I'll say

21:35

one thing about the division as a whole. The

21:38

Chiefs obviously are in this division impacting

21:40

all these odds. But what's really

21:42

interesting as you go through it the

21:44

wind totals for the teams Broncos

21:47

seven and a half, Raiders eight, Chargers

21:50

eight. Excuse me, Raiders seven and a

21:52

half, Chargers eight. So you've

21:54

got all three of the other teams with odds

21:56

that are sort of similar wind totals

21:58

that are not that far off off. And I think

22:00

it says a lot about how people, how the betting

22:03

market feels about this division,

22:05

like they don't really have care about the

22:07

other teams or have done the homework

22:09

to sift through how much better

22:11

the Chargers are than the Broncos are the Raiders,

22:14

because they're all coming in outside

22:17

of first place. I think by

22:19

a wide margin. All right, I think you're right. No, I

22:21

mean, really, does anyone not expect the

22:23

Chiefs to win that division? I mean, anyone

22:26

truly believed the Broncos Raiders are charge

22:28

is gonna beat them out? And not unless Mo Homes

22:30

gets hurt? Right that more say

22:33

one year, content's you're back up, so there

22:35

you go. But that's it. Other

22:37

than that, the Broncos aren't interesting things. I

22:39

think Chiefs are minus three ninety

22:41

to win that division. So yeah, you

22:43

know, no thank I mean it's

22:46

the it's the worst odds in the league

22:48

to win the division. It's there's just no one

22:50

there yet. I think, once again, I think the Broncos are

22:52

building the right way. I do like their

22:55

future assuming Drew

22:57

luck is the man. Yeah

22:59

right, that brings three big

23:01

questions, right it has. I

23:04

mean unless you have a established quarter like it's always gonna

23:06

be one of your big three. He came on, but

23:09

last third of the season played

23:11

pretty well. He looked at listen. He looked encouraging.

23:13

It looks like John Ollie might have finally gotten his man

23:16

right, gotten it right. They have somebody that they better

23:19

be him because it's not Driscot ripping and Riyal Riley

23:21

Neil, so he can once again

23:23

he's the guy. I like the direction they're heading.

23:26

You signed Melvin Gordon was eight million a year. Do

23:28

you have a nice running back corps Gordon lindsay.

23:31

I assume Freeman still sticks with the team

23:33

here, why receiver? Love what you did

23:35

there. You've got Judy. You can see what they're

23:37

trying to do for Lock. Put the weapons

23:39

around him, right, Noah fan at that

23:42

tight end. You've given the man weapons. You've

23:44

got a good running game to keep the pressure off officsive

23:46

line still needs to have some work to be done there,

23:49

but it's not it's not horrendous. Contracted

23:51

Lloyd Cushionberry in the third round this year,

23:54

so they have a new center. They drafted Dalton Reisner

23:56

as a guard. Last year, they drafted Garret

23:58

Bawls. This will be his word season.

24:00

Unfortunately, Garrett Bolls, as a first round

24:02

pick, isn't really living up to be a premium

24:05

left tackle. I don't know that he

24:08

has to get moved to right tackle. I think you're

24:10

just living with the fact that your left tackle isn't a

24:12

dominant one. That's an issue. Once

24:14

against a lot of blind side hits there. But I like what they've done.

24:17

You could see. I wish more teams would do

24:19

that. You have a young quarterback, give him the weapons he needs

24:21

to succeed. Yeah, they signed a

24:23

guard fort four million bucks, Graham Glasgow,

24:26

So I like that. We know a defense, all

24:28

right. They they don't look know, they

24:30

don't look to have the no fly zone right now.

24:33

They have got me with some of those guys. But you

24:36

know, you're okay then you did son a j boy

24:38

who was good at one point, was okay with Jacksonville.

24:41

You know, we'll see. You don't have Chris Harris anymore. You

24:43

still have the Ron Miller. Bradley Chubb

24:45

comes back missed most of the last year because of the injury,

24:48

and Chubb's not as good as Miller, but Miller is getting all

24:50

the attention. So CHU would go one on one. That

24:52

should have a good season. This team,

24:55

like I said, the schedule is not

24:58

the greatest, not the worst, but it's

25:00

it's you playing the the NFC South. That's

25:03

Tampa, Bay, New Orleans and Atlanta. It's

25:05

not start it starts Tennessee,

25:07

Pittsburgh, Tampa. Not great to

25:09

home games, Yeah,

25:12

to home games there, they got to go to New England.

25:15

Um, that's all in the first five

25:17

weeks of this season. You know they'll

25:19

be the underdog in four of their first five

25:22

games. I think that they gotta be Tampa. I'm

25:25

not sorry, they gotta be Tennessee. If

25:28

you lose that game to Tennessee, you

25:30

could be owing three real quick. Yes,

25:32

you know, I don't think you've eating Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh

25:34

and I don't even in Denver. I don't think you eat in Tampa Bay.

25:36

I would be surprised, you know

25:38

the Jets, Okay, but even that that's a Thursday

25:41

night game. We don't know what the

25:43

numbers tell you about Thursday night games in the home team.

25:45

Home team generally wins. So

25:47

that's a problem. To go to New England. I don't know now that

25:49

Cam is gonna be the starter there. I don't like your

25:52

chances there rightther before you get Miami, who's

25:54

not a bad team than Casey. Like I said, I think if

25:56

you lose that Tennessee game. I know it's silly

25:58

to say, but your season may go shoon

26:02

real yeah. So, like

26:04

I I do think the trades for Darrell

26:06

Casey and a j Boyer were really smart.

26:09

I think they got some veteran guys in there to

26:11

help bolster the defense. We'll

26:13

see if Simmons gets that long term deal,

26:16

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26:18

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watching sportscred get

27:02

back on the grid talking about the Las

27:05

Vegas Raiders. I feel like I'm going to

27:07

screw that up left and I did San Diego

27:09

Chargers, Los Angeles Chargers. I don't know

27:11

why, but Vegas, Baby Vegas.

27:13

Maybe that's why it's gonna be a little bit

27:15

easier. But you had a weird story related to the Raiders,

27:17

didn't you. I did. It just came up.

27:21

It's not weird. It's surprised. It's

27:23

weird. It's surprising. It's not there something I ever would

27:26

have expected Randall Cunningham. Yes,

27:28

that Randall Cunningham, ex quarterback of the

27:30

Eagles among other teams, has been hired

27:32

by the Raiders to be the team's chaplain.

27:37

Interesting. So I don't think

27:39

it's weird. I don't think it's a bad thing. It's

27:41

just surprising because I didn't know that

27:43

he served in any kind of religious

27:46

capacity. I know he was a pastor or in

27:49

line to be a chaplain anywhere, and

27:51

certainly not for the Raiders. But good

27:54

for him, I guess. Bring I

27:57

don't know, Maybe he and John Gruden had a

27:59

long time related ship. Maybe I don't. I don't know. I brut

28:02

was his o C where the Eagles.

28:05

Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so

28:07

apparently that that's where the connection is. Hey,

28:10

I said, we don't know what Randalls went up to. Maybe went in the seminary.

28:12

I don't know. You know, good, good for you. He

28:14

would know football players, he would know what they go through.

28:17

So this does sort of make sense, assuming

28:19

he is truly on that religious

28:21

path. So hey, I guess you could work

28:23

out for both parties. So when when were

28:25

they together? What are the years that

28:28

they are together in Philly? Well,

28:31

obviously it's in the nineties somewhere. I'm

28:34

doing the math. He was the o c

28:37

back then. I'm trying to think

28:40

he became a head coach right around

28:44

what would you say, oh, oh, late

28:47

nineties. Oh one, Scrutin

28:49

became the Raiders coach. Then he flipped over

28:51

to then he flipped

28:54

over to the

28:56

Bucks. Yeah, I

28:59

want to do them. Started do this in the middle of the segment.

29:01

But I'm really curious about it. I'm

29:04

looking at Randall Cunningham's career. So

29:06

he's in Philly from eighty five

29:08

to nine. Um, sort

29:11

of retired, then came out of retirement to hook

29:14

up in Minnesota and finished

29:16

it out with a couple of one year stince in Dallas, in Baltimore.

29:19

But um, he became

29:21

the offensive coorded of the Eagles in ninety

29:24

to three ninety

29:27

five. It looks like six onto

29:29

onder Ray Roads got

29:32

it. But he would have been a

29:34

positional coach Prior to

29:37

that. He was with Green

29:39

Bay San Fran That's you're

29:42

right, he's with Mike, He's

29:44

former boss at the stands is

29:46

to be the special offensive It's just that why receivers

29:49

coach with Green Bay got

29:51

it. Well, here's the racing Green Bay. They

29:53

had known each other for twenty five years, so it's

29:56

good enough. They've known each other for twenty five

29:58

years. That's good enough for me. It was a

30:00

little surprising, but good for them. Like you

30:02

said, he knows the players go through and everything

30:05

else. Let's talk about the Raiders specifically

30:09

seasons. So, like I said earlier in

30:12

the hour, the Benning market

30:14

really doesn't know what to do with this division

30:17

if if it's not the Chiefs. Their

30:20

win totals at seven and a half the under

30:22

his minus one fifteen, So there's really

30:24

not a lot of juice either way

30:26

on this one. UM to

30:28

win the a f C West plus twelve hundred,

30:31

to win the af C Championship, plus three thousand

30:33

to win the Super Bowl plus six thousand. Those are the

30:35

same as the Broncos, but they are the longest

30:38

shop to win this division. To make

30:40

the playoffs plus two fifty no

30:42

minus three twenty. They won seven

30:45

games last year. Um, they

30:47

had a couple of funky losses in

30:50

there towards the end of the year,

30:53

including I think a one point loss on

30:55

the last game of the season to Denver,

30:57

which you know they did. They last sixteen

30:59

five team uh and they both

31:02

ended up finishing seven and nine. Denver

31:04

wins the tiebreaker. But in any event, they

31:08

look good. Right, people are like, look at this. The

31:11

Raiders to turn it around, and then it all kind of

31:13

fell apart for them in the middle of the year. Last

31:15

year, they were at one point three

31:17

and two, they got to five, they got to

31:20

six and four. They bid

31:22

that they had a good win against the Colts. They were six

31:24

and four, and then they finished

31:26

it with a one in five down the stretch.

31:29

So they lost to the Jets, Chiefs, Titans,

31:31

Jags, Jaguars, Thus to the Jaguars.

31:34

Then they beat the Chargers and then lost to the

31:36

Broncos. So that was a brutal

31:39

way to end the season. It had people

31:41

thinking like gosh, or they totally

31:43

pointed in the wrong direction. But it was an improvement

31:45

from the previous year. Right, they went from four to seven

31:48

wins. Um, give me your thoughts.

31:51

What do you think they're big questions here? Oh?

31:53

I think we know what the big question is, right,

31:56

who's the quarterback? Is the is the quarterback

31:58

of the future on this roster? I'm

32:01

thinking no, I don't

32:03

give it. I give us soft maybe because

32:05

I actually think they like Mariota enough, but I don't

32:07

think. I don't think it's Car. I

32:10

don't. I agree with you. I don't think it's a Car.

32:12

I actually I would have made a bet that Car

32:14

was not going to start one game in Vegas. I'd

32:17

probably lose that. But I didn't

32:19

think that they wanted anything to do with him. I thought

32:21

they were going to be looking at quarterbacks in the draft

32:24

these last two seasons. But now they've

32:26

gone a different route. They're going to try and be

32:28

act number two for Mariota. Yeah,

32:31

I think Cars gonna very short leash. I

32:33

think he will start the season at the quarterback and it's

32:35

not working. I think they'll go to Mariota. The

32:37

GM has a connection to Mariota. I

32:39

think Car at that point would have failed. In Gruden's

32:42

eyes, would be like, you know what, I got nothing to lose here, Let's

32:44

see it's in. The former top pick can

32:46

be the quarterback he was once projected to be. So

32:49

I think they'll give Mariota a shot. Plus once again,

32:51

I think you want to know what you have in Mariota before

32:54

you decide, Hey, we really I spent big on

32:56

a free agent quarterback. Or we're spending big in the draft

32:58

to go up and get one on that one that falls to us

33:01

next season in the draft. So I think car.

33:03

I would give the over under four

33:06

and a half starts for

33:09

car car Interesting,

33:12

we're assuming sixty, we're assuming sixteen

33:14

games. We've got through the schedule here in a second, we'll

33:17

take it one by one. But um, all

33:21

right, you you threw curve ball at me.

33:23

Yeah, I'm with you. If you had the

33:26

number pretty high for Mariota, would I

33:28

think Mariota is gonna start at least half the games,

33:30

assuming we're playing sixteen games, assuming

33:34

we are. Um, he

33:36

doesn't get injured. Um, I

33:39

like my bed. I like my over under. Yea,

33:42

just just looking at the schedule, this is why I like it. All

33:44

Right, he gets the soft start at Carolina,

33:47

right dead defense, he should be able to do well. Then then

33:50

he has to gauntlet New Orleans,

33:53

New England, Buffalo,

33:56

Kansas City, and

33:58

then there's there's there's the week. It's the perfect

34:01

time to make that change. They're

34:03

praying for two and three. Buddy thrilled

34:06

with two and three, But I think I look at one and four and if

34:09

he's not playing well, you know if he didn't play

34:11

well in those four losses, because they might lose those

34:13

four losses no matter who's that quarterback, right, those

34:15

are four good teams they're gonna play. But

34:17

if he's not playing well, he's put

34:19

that in there. It's there the bye week in

34:21

week six, and then you get Tampa Bay and it's not

34:23

any more fun. But you get Tampa Bay in week seven,

34:26

so maybe it's not four and maybe five and a half should

34:28

be my over under them. Yeah, and

34:30

then the Tampa Cleveland

34:33

at the Chargers Denver, Kansas City's

34:36

weird. They got three divisional games in a row. Then

34:38

at Atlanta at New York, Indie Chargers

34:40

Miami. Yeah, yeah,

34:43

more winnable games there, clearly. But

34:46

um I

34:49

just I just think that these

34:51

guys are treading water until

34:54

they make a decision at QB. I

34:57

think you can. You can. Derek

35:00

is interesting in that you can look at a whole bunch

35:02

of his stats, and if you look at the

35:04

stat lines at the end of his games or even

35:06

at the end of the season, he'd be like, you

35:08

know what, it was not bad. Derek

35:10

Carr completed a lot of passes, got

35:13

a bunch of you know, good touchdown interception ratio.

35:15

You know it's not bad, but the reality

35:18

is for him, he completed

35:20

seventy four percent of his passes last year, twenty

35:23

one touchdowns, eight picks, UM average

35:26

yard per attempt uh

35:29

eight point oh pretty good UM

35:31

quarterback rating over a hundred. So

35:34

you're like, look at that pretty good stat line.

35:36

He didn't have a lot of weapons last year. You know, Wooler

35:39

sort of came out of nowhere, so the same thing that Renfroe, but

35:41

didn't have a lot of great weapons to throw to. You

35:44

know, even more evidence. But what I would say

35:47

is that it's the Alex Smith's

35:49

situation. You're not gonna make

35:51

any mistakes. I'm gonna play it safe.

35:53

We're gonna complete a bunch of passes. We're gonna

35:55

move the ball down the field. Can't win

35:58

doing that anymore. It's just not how it works.

36:02

Like buffaloes, that's right, you need to push

36:04

the ball down the field, and car doesn't do

36:06

it. He doesn't take chances, so he doesn't

36:08

throw picks, but doesn't take chances, and

36:11

he throws no interceptible balls. He

36:13

keeps it safe. He's pretty heady quarterback.

36:16

I think he's the type of guy that could continue

36:18

to be a starter. But I don't think he is

36:21

the type of starter that's going to help you

36:23

overtake the Chiefs push towards

36:25

the Super Bowl. I just don't think he's that guy. I

36:28

think he's in the Andy Dalton mix. I

36:30

would agree. I think you actually have the pertment comparison

36:32

more with Alex Smith mix. Smart

36:35

guy, not gonna turn the not gonna put you in bad situations,

36:38

but it's not gonna win a game for you either. I'd

36:40

rather have Smitty than car Well, I mean, prior,

36:43

prior to right the injury. I would rather have Alexmith and car

36:45

as well. You ever see that documentary

36:47

on Alex Smith's sidebar? You just see that,

36:49

Oh my goodness, highly recommend

36:52

it. But if you're queasy, you cannot

36:54

watch, So continue along with Derek

36:56

Carr. God bless the Alex Smith. Hopefully you

36:58

know you can return if you so used to. Are

37:01

they a car Like I said, I think he's

37:03

on a placeholder to me, right, when you see

37:05

a quarterback who's not gonna win you a game, it's

37:08

not the guy you want. I mean, it's just not the guy

37:10

you want. In this day and today's NFL, where every rule

37:12

is designed for the quarterback, you need someone who's dynamic,

37:14

who can make plays, you know, go out

37:16

there. They said, the fact that he doesn't, and

37:18

maybe saying he's afraid to throw the wall in the secondary

37:21

is not fair. He doesn't do it. He

37:23

just doesn't do it. I keep making safe playing the same

37:25

playing we checked down, Charlie. You know

37:28

it's it's not good. You can't be afraid to

37:30

make those play, those chunk plays. You need those.

37:32

In the NFL relying on you to go eighty

37:34

yards or seventy five yards on every

37:36

drive and not gonna work. You're gonna have paleties

37:38

that back you up. You're gonna have play for their negative plays.

37:41

Not gonna work. You need chunk yardage in today's

37:43

game. Yeah, and um,

37:46

you know, they obviously are in a situation now

37:48

where they've added a lot of players, right They

37:51

turned over this roster that Khalil

37:53

mctrade gave them a whole bunch of new players.

37:56

We've been surprised by some of their picks. But Josh

37:58

Jacobs, the rookie running back before he was well,

38:00

he had a great season regardless of the injury.

38:03

Um he really has added

38:05

an interesting dynamic to the team. Do they

38:08

try to win with a run first off? And there

38:10

were eleven in rush, eleventh in rushing

38:12

attempts last season, thirteenth

38:14

in yards. They had thirteen

38:17

rushing touchdowns. They just really didn't put a

38:19

lot of points on the board last year. Georgie's

38:21

was their major issue. It's what you're

38:23

talking about. No chunk plays, not pushing

38:25

the ball down the field, kicking field goals

38:27

instead of touchdowns, and being

38:30

a run heavy attack. It has to

38:32

be more dynamic. It can't be old

38:34

school three yards in a cloud of dust type

38:37

of running attack. It has to be

38:39

what the Ravens look like, or what the Niners look

38:41

like. A zone blocking scheme, utilizing

38:44

different guys, different formations, all

38:46

this kind of stuff to keep people

38:48

on their toes. The old school

38:50

rushing formation and a conservative

38:52

quarterback maybe get you

38:54

to the playoffs once in a while, but you're not gonna win anything.

38:57

I think. Think you put it perfectly, it might get a

39:00

pops every now and then are a certain kind of year, but you're

39:02

not going anywhere after that. If you want to

39:04

be that team, No listen the

39:06

anical's designs because they want to put the bull in the air,

39:08

put it deep, let's go, let's go some points to be an NBA

39:10

games go forty points. It's how a Chiefs

39:12

play. The Chief's defense is so so they

39:15

want to win two games so

39:17

they can outscore you. And the thing is they're

39:20

being drafted to be more dynamic. Henry

39:22

Ruggs signed, Tyroll Williams,

39:24

Hunter, Renfroze your slot

39:27

guy. You've got Darren Waller there.

39:29

The pieces are being put in. Brian Edwards they

39:31

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out this hour on the Grid. We've

39:55

talked a lot about the a f C West today

39:58

and we're gonna talk about close it out here with the Los

40:00

Angeles Chargers. Obviously gone through a lot this

40:03

offseason, losing long time QB

40:05

Philip Rivers. Uh. They draft

40:07

Justin Herbert in the first round. He's gonna

40:10

team up with to Rod Taylor, We'll

40:12

see who starts there. Who starts this season,

40:14

I think George, given the nature of all of this stuff

40:16

and no O t a s. I think teams are going

40:19

to roll out the veteran qbs there uh

40:21

to start this season unless they see something

40:23

markedly different in camp. I

40:26

think guys like to Rod Taylor will get

40:28

a shot to start, Ryan Fitzpatrick

40:31

even in Miami, to start before

40:33

they make a move to the rookies. Yeah,

40:36

and there's a reason why most of us believed

40:38

that, you know, Joe Burrow might run away with the Rookie

40:40

of the year because he's I think he's the only rookie quarterback

40:43

who is going to start in day one. Yeah, you

40:45

know than that because of what's going on. No

40:47

many cans, pandemic shortened, you know, no

40:49

even I don't think have any preseason games either.

40:52

I know right now we're down to two. I don't think there'll be any by

40:54

the time we get to uh say and do this not

40:57

now much a chance for them. You know, the first thing I looked

40:59

at here, look at the schedule here, They've

41:01

got a sort of a soft opening. If you did, you

41:03

know, if Herbert did show enough Yo

41:06

Representcinnati, I could do much better than

41:08

that. Other than being at home. Even Kansas

41:10

City in week two not the greatest defense. You have to throw

41:13

the ball of Ton Carolina week three. I

41:16

mean, it's it's a soft opening as far

41:18

as a good quarterback matchups there, but

41:20

I still expect it to be tailor because I also

41:22

wanted to this Mike with the Chargers. This

41:24

is not a team that's rebuilding. When

41:27

you look at the roster that's sort of built a win

41:29

now. Could be a good team

41:31

now outside of the quarterback

41:34

position. Agreed.

41:36

I think that they It's

41:39

been a curious team the way they've managed things

41:41

here. Um I

41:44

thought, Look, I would say, now,

41:46

given the options that they could have had Cam

41:49

Newton or the Rod Taylor

41:51

justin Herbert Combo, I

41:53

would take Cam Newton, even with

41:55

the unknowns, because Herbert's is much of

41:57

an unknown as Camas and Cam

42:00

is basically free. I would have

42:02

just taken the flyer on that. Now. I

42:05

can't speak to the impact that Trod Taylor

42:07

had in their locker room, but it

42:11

wasn't Phil Rivers. Phil Rivers there for fifteen

42:13

years. Trod Taylor has been there a

42:15

year two, So

42:19

how much really is he a fabric of the franchise

42:21

of the team. Doesn't mean everybody doesn't like him

42:24

and that he's not a good player, But I'm

42:27

saying they could have unseated him for Cam

42:29

Newton in a second, especially when he was on

42:31

the cheap So um, they've

42:34

got that hanging over them. Let me give you their odds

42:36

as well. Like I said earlier, all

42:38

these odds are about the same for these teams. Their

42:41

wind totals at eight flat minus

42:44

one ten on both sides

42:46

over or under, which means there's basically no action

42:49

on this team right now. But

42:51

it's understandable, right you don't know who's

42:53

starting at quarterback. Technically you're

42:55

gonna kind of hold off to see. Are

42:57

the Raiders of the Broncos gonna be any better? Um,

43:01

if you told me right now what order

43:03

these teams gonna finish in, I'll

43:06

say Chargers are coming in second place.

43:09

But it's not gonna surprise me if it ended

43:11

up like last year, where they're all within one game

43:13

of one another trying to figure it out.

43:15

So, uh, the win totals

43:18

at eight to make the playoffs plus one not

43:21

bad? Uh, Nos min two

43:25

to win the a f C West seven and one, uh

43:27

n C Championship seventeen to one, win

43:30

the Super Bowl thirty two to one. So those odds

43:32

for them are a lot lower than the

43:34

Broncos and the Raiders. But to

43:37

make the playoffs a plus, that's

43:39

probably I

43:42

mean, that's pretty good odds. I'd rather bet that that

43:45

bet them winning nine, right, just because I'm

43:47

getting getting favorable odds there

43:50

I'm getting I would get the under

43:52

on the window. I don't think they were nine. I

43:55

mean for the win nine. You

43:57

look at the schedule, it's not difficult, but you think

44:00

a lot of fifty fifty games, including those two games

44:02

against Vegas, two games against Denver. I

44:04

pretty much expecting to go to and four

44:06

and division will split with those two teams lose both to Kansas

44:09

City. Maybe that game, assuming

44:12

we get this far, which is a big assumption. Uh

44:14

January three at Kansas City, last game of the season,

44:16

means nothing to Casey. Could they could

44:18

have everything wrapped up by them, but with only one home

44:21

field, maybe not. Maybe

44:24

they do gotta play for that. So they play

44:26

Cincinnati, Carolina and Jacksonville, three

44:28

teams that might be in the bottom five of the league.

44:30

That's at least we go

44:32

through real quick Sincinnati, Kantas City, Carolina first

44:34

three gotta go too and one. Then you got Tampa

44:37

New Orleans. That's two and three. I don't think it's gonna be either

44:39

one of those two. Both are on the road. Now it's

44:41

not gonna happen. I'll give you the Jets three and three. I think

44:43

you're losing in Miami, but you'll beat jacksonvill You're

44:46

at four and four. Already said Vegas, you're gonna

44:48

split with that's five and five. Split with six and

44:50

six at Buffalo, Las six and

44:52

seven. Now you got those three games's

44:54

New England Atlanta and how must have missed

44:57

the game? I mean maybe

45:00

you can split New England Atlanta. Yeah,

45:03

and now you at seven and eight in that other game, whatever, whichever

45:05

when I missed, that's eight and mate. That's if you split

45:07

with newing On in Atlanta. And I'm not seeing

45:10

the nine and I'm not gonna I'm gonna take the under here. I think they're

45:12

a solid under. I always think Evinceal're gonna I have

45:14

to go to Joe Burrow. I don't know whether

45:16

when that's going to baby that Herbert Joeyah,

45:19

you wish you had Joe Burrow. You're gonna go with Justin Herbert

45:21

might feel differently if you had. I'm

45:24

gonna take the under here. And I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs.

45:26

I think that's a team they built

45:28

to make the playoffs now. But the corn if

45:31

I can, if I can, just try to accentuate

45:33

the positive. The rest of this team is pretty

45:36

good. They have Williams and Keenan

45:39

Allen uh Austin

45:41

Ekeler obviously is a dynamic

45:43

running back for them. They have Hunter Henry

45:45

is still on the team. The defense

45:48

is loaded with talent. They

45:50

drafted Kenneth Murray. I don't love what they did

45:52

with their draft. It's another issue. They traded

45:54

a bunch of picks. They got a middle linebacker

45:56

and a quarterback that nobody's that a lot

45:58

of people aren't in love with so um.

46:02

But the team on the surface. To improve

46:05

the offensive line, they signed Brian Balaga.

46:07

They traded for Trade Turner. So they made

46:10

some decisions to try to win now. Like

46:12

you're saying, it's win now, and I do

46:14

think when you look at their roster it

46:17

is different from the Raiders and Brocos. I'm

46:19

not gonna say it's a true split on those

46:21

four games just because I think they're

46:23

a better team. I look at it on paper. I

46:25

don't think to Rodd Taylor is going to run them into the

46:27

ground. So what

46:31

I don't like about this whole dynamic

46:33

is going into the season prepared

46:35

to make a switch. I hate

46:37

that. I think if you're a team that is a

46:40

playoff worthy team, you

46:43

just make decision and go. Your rookie

46:45

quarterback is gonna be good enough, or your veteran is going

46:47

to be good enough to last the season. Not

46:50

like having the veteran look over his shoulder

46:52

for the first seven games of the year to see when he

46:54

gets pulled. That's that's damaging.

46:57

I agree with you in the perfect world. I

47:00

completely agree with you in the world, but this all

47:02

season is not that. I just don't think any

47:04

Rickie Cordock is gonna be able to start. Said.

47:06

Borrow has no choice. They get rid of Dalton, so it's

47:08

gonna be Borrow. But all these other

47:10

guys, you know, to Uh, Herbert whatever,

47:12

anybody else, they're not gonna have just not

47:15

the experience, not the reps, you're better of going with the story

47:17

and if you want to make the playoffs. By the way, if

47:20

they stuck with Taylor all season, they

47:22

say, hey, we're gonna red shirt Herbert,

47:24

I would give a better shot because I

47:26

might agree with they They could beat Denver twice,

47:29

so they could beat the Raiders twice and maybe they get

47:31

that break. What kid, that last game verse case

47:33

doesn't mean anything the case say, maybe I would like them

47:35

a little bit more versus Miami in Miami

47:38

in Week seven. Yeah, I would go hardly give

47:40

them a little bit more edge there, But we don't know. When

47:42

today's NFL, you're not making

47:44

a first round draft pic of a quarterback and

47:46

sitting him all season, right, all right?

47:48

So where do they go from here? Then? So you're you

47:51

are of the opinion that the Chiefs win this division

47:53

going away, nobody else makes the playoffs,

47:55

right, I

47:58

mean definitely on the spot, right. We love

48:00

the Chiefs there. I'll give Tennessee

48:03

one wild card, Pittsburgh

48:06

and a wild card. I think New England's a better team too.

48:08

Yeah, I don't think I'm not gonna put anybody else in the playoffs.

48:11

From the a f C West, did any of them go over

48:13

five hundred. I think it charges

48:15

a blow with that schedule. A lot has to go

48:17

right for them. Raiders the same thing.

48:19

I don't like the quartoback situation. Denver's the one interesting

48:22

squad because if things full right for them, if

48:24

Drew Luck is that guy. I have more faith in Drew

48:27

Lock this season than the other quarterbacks

48:29

was talking about in this division outside of my homes,

48:32

but even there a lot. I do not have a

48:34

lot of confidence Drew like. I like, actually

48:36

like him. I think there's a chance there, but I don't

48:38

say it with a lot of confidence. I

48:42

have a car in Mariota and

48:45

more than Tyrod, Taylor and Burrow.

48:47

But I keep seeing Brow and Herbert's first season.

48:49

So that's where I go with that. I did. I think I feel

48:52

better for this season. Next season that will change.

48:54

I'm probably gonna like Herbert more, assuming he uh

48:57

comes out. So I think Dev's got

48:59

a shop. But no, I'm gonna stick

49:01

with no playoffs other than Kansas City from

49:03

this division. Okay, so

49:06

let's look at some other questions that they have. There's

49:08

obviously the key question, when's Herbert come in? We

49:10

have that, um so

49:14

what so what do you feel then,

49:17

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding

49:20

what you feel is the

49:22

weak spot of this team or is it all just

49:24

that you think to Rod, Taylor and Herbert aren't

49:26

going to get it done here. Well, a big partners

49:29

the quarterback, and you're right there. There are no other major

49:31

questions, you know, like, oh my god, you're

49:33

something you're highlighting and red here going this is a problem.

49:35

I do wonder about running back depth can

49:38

equally be the guy. Yeah,

49:40

God was good running back, really good running back.

49:43

Now he's not there to take that pressure off. I don't want to

49:45

legally get run down that sort of will he not

49:47

be the same player later on in the season.

49:50

So I worry about that, and the same

49:52

thing really at wide receiver. You know kenaw

49:54

and Mike Williams. Great starting point, not

49:56

much left after that if either one goes down,

49:59

Ken, what do it hurt? Again? Yeah?

50:02

Justin Jackson interesting backup there.

50:04

We've seen him have okay success

50:07

in very limited spots. They drafted

50:09

Josh Kelly Um. I

50:11

think this team really can do damage

50:14

defensively. Remember they didn't have Derwin James

50:16

last year. They did sign Chris Harris,

50:18

They got Casey Hayward still there. In the

50:20

defensive backfield, they drafted Kenneth Murray.

50:23

He's going to be their tone center at middle

50:25

linebacker. Linebacker was a week spot for

50:27

them. And then that front's got Joey Bosa,

50:29

Melvin Ingram. The problem with this team

50:32

is after this season, a lot of these guys

50:34

are up for getting paid. George, they have to extend

50:36

Bosa. Obviously Ingram,

50:38

you would think they would want to keep him there. Keenan

50:41

Allen injury history.

50:44

Do you move forward with Keenan Allen

50:46

giving him another he's gonna be looking for big

50:49

money. He's not going to see top of

50:51

the market money, but he's gonna be looking for a legitimately

50:54

large contract. Do you do that? Or

50:57

you move forward with Mike Williams and try

50:59

to he's sent around Mike Williams. He'll

51:02

be Allen. You're right, he's gonna

51:04

want big money, and he's

51:07

got the talent to be a big money player.

51:09

But with the injury issues that

51:11

he's had, it becomes difficult to look

51:14

at a thirty year old, twenty nine

51:16

year old wide receiver

51:18

that isn't big with all of these injuries

51:22

and and Pam. I think Keenan would have

51:24

before I answered that question. I would need to know two things which will

51:26

find this season. One, you know, the injury

51:28

history was really more just passed. He's played sixteen

51:31

games the three straight seasons. That's interesting. He

51:33

plays sixteen again this season, I'm gonna forget

51:35

about the injuries. I'm gonna think he's passed that. So

51:37

I need to see that it gets hurt again. Well, then it

51:39

starts all over again. I'll also need to see the chemistrier

51:42

was in him and Herbert. Yeah,

51:44

I need to see that it's it's there. I'm

51:46

probably be more likely to pay him as he's

51:49

not crazy. If he wants a Marie Cooper money, I'm not giving.

51:51

I'm not you too old, You're not gonna get that. You

51:53

know you want to come down and work with me. I

51:56

think I want to pay you. You know, it's so tough to

51:58

rely on drafting a receiver then what

52:00

you're gonna have to I do believe next year is a another

52:03

decent wide receiver drip, but nothing like this year.

52:06

So I sort of lead towards

52:08

paying you because I think you need that. Today's

52:10

game, once again, it's made for the passing

52:13

game. You need that. I'm

52:15

gonna say I'm leading towards now, but

52:17

I need those first two questions answered. That's

52:20

part, probably part of the reason maybe

52:22

why they went the route that they did with the

52:24

rookie QB. When you start looking at the salary

52:26

cap and saying, well, we're gonna keep Alan here,

52:28

we're gonna keep Ingram and Bosa. We can't

52:31

go out and sign a free agent quarterback as the money

52:33

is not going to work. So, uh, you beat

52:35

me on that one, George, I never would have had that. He's got three

52:38

years in a row of sixteen games played. But

52:40

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