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2:08

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2:10

dean of the medical school at USC,

2:12

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2:14

there, Sarah Warren. Eight years

2:16

later, many things have changed, but others have

2:18

not. I'm

2:21

Paul Pringle. This is

2:23

Fallen Angels, episode 10. In

2:26

this final installment of our show, I'll revisit

2:29

some of the people and places we've talked

2:31

about, a kind of episode. George

2:42

Tindall, the former gynecologist at USC's Student

2:45

Health Clinic, was arrested by the LAPD

2:47

in June of 2019. He

2:50

was charged with more than 30 felonies. In

2:54

my last interview with survivors, Lucy Chi and

2:56

Audrey Nassiger, in the summer of 2023,

2:59

Tindall had still not gone to trial. He

3:01

was living at home under house arrest. I

3:04

periodically check in with Lucy and Audrey on

3:06

what's happened since. Well,

3:09

George Tindall has died, and he

3:11

died before the L.A.D.A. even bothered to

3:14

get us closer to trial, and that

3:16

was a huge disappointment because none of

3:18

us got justice. And it

3:20

was quite a delay. We have a story ran

3:23

in May of 2018, and he

3:25

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3:27

in the meantime. He was arrested and charged

3:29

with no trial, and he

3:31

was free. He was out on bail and living his

3:33

life. It's pretty unheard of in the criminal law for

3:35

a case to take five years. Even a murder case

3:37

usually is tried before that. It's very obvious that

3:40

the authorities slow walked to this case.

3:42

Lucy, how did you feel when you heard the news

3:44

of Tindall's death? I was

3:46

getting ready to go to court,

3:48

who were trying to set the first

3:50

court date, and then I

3:53

got a message that they were

3:55

postponing the court date because Tindall had

3:57

died, and that the next court

3:59

date would be to dismiss

4:01

the case and dismiss the

4:03

trial. And I was so devastated. Did

4:06

you speak to each other about this when you heard the

4:08

news? Well, Lucy texted me right away. And it

4:11

wasn't 100% confirmed yet, but we

4:13

started talking immediately

4:15

about what had happened

4:18

and how we were going to go to court and

4:20

tell the court how we felt about this and let

4:22

other survivors know so we could get a group

4:25

together and just let everybody know. The

4:27

district attorney had in their hands

4:29

homemade videotapes that Dr. Tyndall made

4:31

of himself performing sexual acts on

4:33

women in the Philippines and telling

4:35

them during the acts, this

4:38

is what I do to my patients. So

4:42

that's just one of

4:44

many things the police

4:46

recovered from him that are the

4:49

smoking gun evidence. He knew

4:51

what he was doing was wrong, so there

4:53

was no way he wanted a trial. He

4:55

escaped justice by dying. He got to live

4:58

in his home the entire time and spent just a couple

5:00

of days in jail. In some

5:02

ways, he beat this case. As far

5:04

as for him, he beat it. And

5:06

there are no plans to prosecute anyone else,

5:08

as far as you know, in the Tyndall

5:10

matter. Detectives didn't ask any questions

5:12

about anyone else and their complicity

5:14

or any of the people that

5:16

paid him off, any of

5:18

the authorities. And so there will be no further

5:20

investigation as far as I can tell. Audrey

5:23

and I spoke with one of the

5:25

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5:27

DA's office, and they indicated that they

5:29

wanted to do the case differently and

5:32

that their hands were tied. I

5:34

have a profound sense of frustration

5:38

with the criminal justice system where

5:40

I have now worked this month for 30 years. And

5:43

it's just so frustrating to be on the

5:46

victim side of

5:48

horrific crime and to see

5:50

how justice can be completely not

5:52

achieved, not attained, because

5:55

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5:57

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6:00

they would have pushed forward. And.

6:03

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6:05

got the result that they wanted. He

6:07

was old. And. I was

6:09

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6:11

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11:45

he's been busy trying to get it reinstated. Maybe

11:50

a year or two ago I

11:52

was contacted by a California Medical

11:54

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11:56

investigative division that reached out to

11:58

me. That's

12:00

Maryam Jones, Dora Yoder's sister.

12:04

Dora is the young woman in Pullia Fido's

12:06

circle whose baby died. And

12:08

it was a particular detective who asked

12:11

me some questions. She said that Pullia

12:13

Fido was attempting to regain his medical

12:15

license. She wanted to see if there

12:17

was any information I had to prevent

12:20

him from getting his license. That would

12:22

help her case against him. I

12:25

told her to contact Dora's landlord

12:27

and see if he is

12:29

still getting his payments from Pullia Fido. Pullia

12:32

Fido is still paying for all of my

12:35

sister's bills because my sister still lives there.

12:38

And I know that because I

12:40

drive by her house sometimes in check

12:42

to see if she's still there. The

12:44

detective reached out to the landlord of

12:47

my sister's apartment. And yes, he

12:49

is getting his usual rent from

12:51

Pullia Fido every single month. And

12:54

even told her that he sees him

12:56

there on a regular basis physically at

12:58

her house. So

13:00

the medical board denied him his license

13:02

because part of the agreement for him

13:04

to get it back is obviously he

13:06

can't be on drugs. And

13:09

he can't have contact with Dora

13:11

because she's on drugs. And

13:13

so then he didn't get his license

13:15

back. It was denied. The

13:18

medical board of California rejected Pullia

13:20

Fido's petition to reinstate his license

13:22

in January of 2023. The

13:26

ruling was based in part on the findings

13:28

that Pullia Fido had tested positive four times

13:30

for use of meth or heroin in the

13:32

past three years. The judge

13:34

who presided over the medical board hearing

13:37

didn't buy Pullia Fido's claim that the

13:39

test results were false positives or that

13:41

they came from quote environmental exposure. Miriam

13:43

Jones continues to plead with the L.A.

13:46

County Sheriff's Department and the D.A.'s office

13:48

to do something to help her sister

13:50

escape Pullia Fido's influence. As

13:55

for the Warren family, for a while it

13:57

seemed they had broken Pullia Fido's toxic hold

13:59

on Sarah. and the grip of her drug

14:01

addiction. The family moved back

14:03

to Texas and worked hard to rebuild their

14:05

lives. I often spoke to

14:07

Sarah. She remained frustrated that

14:10

Pullia Fido was never prosecuted, but she was

14:12

also trying to move on. Because

14:15

of a restrictive NDA that USC required them to

14:17

sign, Paul and Mary

14:19

Ann Warren believed they can't talk about anything

14:22

related to the Pullia Fido case. But

14:25

they can't speak generally about their family and their

14:27

children and what happened after the return

14:29

to Texas. So,

14:58

the two of them spent a lot of time together. And

15:00

we're out in the movie room. They went out to eat

15:02

a lot. They

15:04

were having a really good time. Some bowling too. They

15:08

bowled. So they liked that. And

15:12

Charles had a girlfriend. And Sarah actually

15:14

liked her. Because she never liked one. And

15:18

she was like, I'm sorry,

15:20

I'm sorry. I'm

15:22

sorry. I'm sorry. Because

15:26

she never liked any of his girlfriends. But she liked

15:28

this one. So that was

15:30

good. But

15:36

in the end, the devastating power of addiction overwhelmed

15:38

the Warren family. On

15:42

February 4, 2023, at the age

15:44

of 27, Sarah

15:46

Warren died at the family home outside

15:49

Houston. The

15:52

cause of death was acute pancreatitis due to

15:55

chronic alcoholism. Then

15:58

on May 26, After

16:00

Sarah's death, Charles passed away.

16:03

His cause of death was also due to

16:05

chronic alcoholism. He was 24. It

16:10

was primarily alcohol. They

16:12

probably smoked a little weed, but

16:16

that was alcohol, and

16:20

they just didn't have a good handle on

16:22

it. And I know again, you two did

16:24

everything you could to try to help

16:26

them get out from

16:28

under that addiction. Absolutely. Rehabs.

16:32

Oh my gosh. And

16:35

you just didn't stick. Somehow

16:45

I think Charles gave up when

16:48

Sarah wasn't around. Yeah, when she,

16:50

yeah. Just,

16:53

I think so too. Just

16:55

kind of gave up. Mm-hmm. Sarah

16:58

and Charles' brave decision to go on

17:01

the record is what finally cost Pugliafido

17:03

his medical license and his association with

17:05

USC. It's why he's no

17:07

longer in a position to hurt people while collecting

17:09

a million dollar salary. Devon

17:12

Kahn, the whistleblower who first brought the

17:14

LA Times to tip from the hotel

17:16

constants, shares what Sarah's loss

17:18

means to him. A

17:21

part of me feels that all

17:23

of the work that I

17:26

did and everything

17:28

that Paul did to dig

17:30

at the truth was wasted

17:32

because ultimately she

17:35

unfortunately passed. The solace

17:37

that I held onto was that I

17:39

saved that gross life. And

17:41

to hear that she passed

17:44

unfortunately, it's just a shame.

17:47

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17:50

drug abuse and the devastation

17:52

that it wreaks on people.

17:54

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17:56

make them do things that... You

18:00

know, they would never, ever normally do.

18:03

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18:05

was in that situation because

18:07

of the drugs. So, yeah,

18:09

it hit me on

18:12

a special level. Don

18:19

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18:21

Sarah briefly, also went on the record

18:23

with the LA Times about what he

18:25

witnessed with Puglia Fido. Dawn

18:28

likes to think of the Sarah he knew, the

18:30

young woman with so much promise. Her

18:33

smile could light up her room. Her

18:36

eyes dazzled like the tide pools in the Guna Beach in

18:38

this sunny day. And

18:41

there was a certain spark about her that it

18:45

couldn't be captivated, you know? I

18:49

miss her. My

18:52

sincerest apologies to Mary

18:54

and her husband. But

18:56

I pray for their souls. Lots

19:03

of great memories, you know? And that's

19:05

where we choose to put our energies

19:07

and not dwell on something

19:10

that's, you know, horrific that's

19:12

happened to our family. Hard. It's

19:14

very hard, but we choose to look at the

19:16

positives because we can't do anything about

19:18

it, you know? And

19:22

you can only cry so much over

19:24

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19:26

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19:29

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19:33

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19:35

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19:38

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19:40

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19:44

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19:46

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19:48

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19:51

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19:53

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20:00

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20:07

was very athletic and

20:09

he loved the skateboard. He would like

20:11

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20:14

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20:16

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20:18

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20:22

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20:25

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20:27

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pressuring the Board of Trustees to force

23:49

Max Nikias out, the USC

23:51

faculty expected the university would make a real

23:53

effort to end the long run of scandals.

23:56

The corrupt culture that had allowed people like

23:59

Pulliofido and Tyndall to do what they did while

24:01

the administration looked the other way. They've

24:05

been disappointed. This is

24:07

a leadership problem. It was not a

24:09

culture among students. It was not

24:11

a culture among faculty. It

24:13

was a culture at the

24:16

top. A culture of

24:18

secrecy, centralization, cover-up. Dr.

24:21

Ariella Gross, formerly a professor at

24:24

USC, has since joined the faculty

24:26

at UCLA. I don't think

24:28

it's a secret how you could

24:31

improve your processes

24:33

to bring more sunshine in, but

24:36

they did not want to do

24:38

that. Let's make the

24:40

way we choose deans and other

24:42

administrators more like the way they

24:44

do it at a public school.

24:46

Let's get more transparency. Let's get

24:48

more faculty governance. Let's get more

24:51

accountability. And those

24:53

things went nowhere. The

24:55

board immediately reneged on

24:58

the promises to release

25:00

the report. Dr. Gross is

25:02

referring to the results of USC's

25:04

internal investigations into the administration's handling

25:07

of Puliofido and Tindall. The

25:09

trustees, led at the time by real estate

25:12

tycoon Rick Caruso, had promised to make the

25:14

findings public. That promise

25:16

has been broken. The lawyers, the

25:18

people that signed off the $200,000 Hush

25:20

Money payment, the names of the people

25:22

that approved that were ever released. They

25:24

clearly knew what was going on. Here's

25:26

Audrey again. She's referring to the Tindall

25:29

severance money. We've got problems with the

25:31

chairman of the board who said he released the

25:33

report, never did. How can you

25:35

improve if you don't show what really happened? The

25:38

trustees decision not to release the reports became

25:40

an issue when Rick Caruso ran for mayor

25:42

of Los Angeles in 2022. Here

25:46

he is at the KNX News mayoral

25:48

debate fielding questions from skeptical voters. The

25:50

reason we didn't release the report, we

25:53

talked to experts, many of them, that

25:55

said releasing any information is just

25:57

going to cause more horrific pain

26:00

to those that have been terribly, terribly

26:02

wounded. So we chose not to do

26:04

it for that reason. I

26:07

have a quick question. But the

26:09

LA Times later learned that Caruso, under

26:11

oath, in a secret deposition for the

26:13

Tyndall civil suit, gave a different

26:15

reason for burying the findings. It

26:17

was not a concern for the victims. It

26:19

was because USC's lawyers told them

26:22

to. It's

26:26

hard to escape the reality that

26:29

there's some very powerful and influential people

26:31

on the board of directors at USC.

26:33

And I'm sure when this came

26:36

to light, the full scope of the

26:38

problem, that there were many discussions with

26:40

people on the board and people high

26:43

up in the administration. I

26:45

think people were afraid of being held to account,

26:47

going to jail, having their reputations be smurched. There's

26:49

lots of reasons that the university

26:51

wouldn't want that information out there. The

26:53

message isn't tell. The message is shut

26:56

up. Cindy

26:58

Gilbert, the nursing supervisor, certainly got

27:00

the message. After

27:03

she reported Tyndall to the rape crisis

27:05

center, the university rescinded the promotion she'd

27:07

been promised. The university's

27:09

HR department accused her of making an

27:11

inappropriate remark to a co-worker. None

27:14

of this struck Cindy as a coincidence. Fearing

27:17

it would never end, she resigned in July of 2017. Dr.

27:21

Jane Jun, who helped lead the faculty effort

27:24

to oust Nakia's, also faced

27:26

blowback after she appeared in a student

27:28

documentary about Tyndall called Breach of Trust.

27:31

I swore in the video. I

27:34

think I said BS or hell or

27:36

damn or something like that. They investigated

27:38

me for a year. And

27:42

they found that I had violated the

27:44

faculty handbook for swearing. To

27:47

which I said, are you fucking kidding

27:49

me? I'm joking. And

27:51

so I got investigated after that came

27:54

out, was obviously absurd. You

27:56

know what? That's retaliation, right? It's

27:58

probably going to happen again. It's worth it.

28:01

It's worth it. Somebody has to say it. The

28:04

whistleblowers at USC may feel that speaking out

28:07

cost them. But at

28:09

the LA Times, our investigative work

28:11

was, eventually, honored and encouraged. In

28:14

April of 2019, the reporting on Tindall

28:16

by Matt Hamilton, Harriet Ryan and me

28:19

won the Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism.

28:23

Everyone in the newsroom was

28:25

gathered around us. It

28:27

was very surreal because, ultimately,

28:29

this is a story about

28:31

sexual assault and sexual abuse.

28:34

And it's very head-spinning to

28:37

be celebrating the revelation of

28:39

that and reporting around that.

28:42

Reporter Matt Hamilton. I

28:45

recognize that it was bigger than us

28:47

as well. It was a validation of

28:49

what the newspaper had done, of what

28:51

a team of people, editors,

28:54

reporters, researchers, copyeditors,

28:56

photographers. It's a validation

28:58

of that collaboration. I was

29:00

able to see our

29:02

work differently and

29:05

the cumulative effect of

29:07

these incremental stories and

29:10

the cumulative effect of just day

29:12

in and day out reporting on the

29:14

university and Dr. Tindall for, by

29:16

that point, years. I felt proud

29:19

and really glad to be with Paul and Harriet

29:21

there. Thinking about

29:23

all the doors we knocked on and

29:25

particular people who could

29:28

have turned us away. Maybe the smart thing was to

29:30

turn us away, but had

29:33

led us into their homes and had told us the

29:35

truth. And they did so at a risk to their

29:37

job. And I guess it's just sort of

29:39

amazed at them. Reporter Harriet

29:42

Ryan. The thing with the

29:44

Tindall case is that the victims were

29:46

the patients, but often

29:48

the patients didn't realize what had happened to

29:51

them, how bad it was, and they didn't

29:53

realize that it happened to hundreds or thousands

29:55

of other people. But the people that

29:57

worked in the clinic had to witness it. They

30:00

knew it every day, several times a day, and they

30:02

were their own kind of victims. So I

30:04

was thinking about those people, and it

30:07

was very emotional. I

30:09

believe that Pulitzer also belongs to our

30:12

colleagues Sarah Parvini and Adam Omarek in

30:14

recognition of their great work on the

30:16

Pugliafido investigation, the story that led us

30:18

to Tyndall. So many more

30:20

pieces of thread were coming loose

30:23

after that initial investigation. Reporter

30:26

Sarah Parvini. Then eventually there's

30:28

the investigation that Paul

30:31

and Matt and Harriet got

30:33

a Pulitzer for, learned that

30:36

investigations beget investigation. In

30:42

July 2022, Macmillan published my book,

30:44

Bad City, Peril and Power in

30:46

the City of Angels. It

30:48

tells the untold stories behind the story

30:51

of Pugliafido and Tyndall, as

30:53

well as what happened at my own newspaper. Seven

30:56

months before it was published, as I got

30:58

close to finishing the manuscript, I

31:01

gave all three former LA Times editors an

31:03

opportunity to respond to my reporting for the

31:05

book. They turned

31:07

me down and instead hired lawyers and threatened

31:09

lawsuits. I had no

31:11

doubt that they hoped to stop publication of Bad

31:13

City, or at minimum, censor

31:16

the portions of the book that were critical of them. I

31:19

found it extraordinary that they would engage in

31:21

what I saw as their own personal

31:23

pursuit of journalistic prior restraint. Two

31:26

words that defined the mortal enemy of the

31:28

First Amendment. Nothing

31:30

those editors or their lawyers have claimed

31:33

has refuted anything in Bad City. The

31:35

same is true for the attacks the editors

31:38

leveled on the book, me and my colleagues

31:40

after publication. Devon Maharaj,

31:42

Mark Dubison and Matt Doig continue

31:44

to deny that they did anything

31:46

wrong in their handling of the

31:48

USC investigation. And

31:51

as for Carmen Pugliafido and Max Nikias, they

31:54

never granted me an interview under any

31:56

circumstances. The

32:05

LA Times newsroom has seen other big changes

32:08

since we first started reporting on Poliofido. In

32:11

February 2018, the billionaire biotech

32:14

entrepreneur Dr. Patrick Sunshon announced

32:16

that he was buying the LA Times from Tronk.

32:20

Patrick and his wife Michelle saved the

32:22

paper from certain deaths as a first-rate

32:24

news organization. Patrick

32:27

Sunshon kind of swoops

32:30

in as this savior for the

32:32

papers. That's Joe Pompeo, media correspondent

32:34

for Vanity Fair. For

32:36

all intents and purposes, it seems like

32:38

what a lot of struggled news organizations

32:40

wish for, which is a very rich

32:43

individual who can kind of come

32:45

in, reset the place,

32:48

and take some bosses because they have

32:50

a lot of money to do that,

32:52

but also has ambition to make this

32:54

a real business. Harriet and

32:57

reporter Adam Almaric felt the same way.

32:59

I feel like it's a little bit of a fairy tale in

33:01

some ways, like forcing out the

33:03

bad management and

33:06

then forming a union and

33:08

then getting a billionaire to

33:10

buy the paper, a billionaire who is

33:12

like a benevolent figure who's invested lots

33:14

and lots of money in us. I

33:16

feel really lucky to work at the LA Times. It's

33:19

day and night. As far as

33:21

the atmosphere of the newsroom, the

33:23

kind of newspaper that we are,

33:25

look, nobody's perfect. No ownership is

33:28

a perfect situation. That's just life,

33:30

right? But

33:33

at least now I have not once felt like

33:36

we're doing something for the wrong reasons or

33:38

we don't have the right mission in

33:41

mind. Dr. Sunshon went on

33:43

a hiring spree, adding about 150

33:45

journalists to the newsroom. But

33:47

since then, the cost of supporting journalism

33:50

has only gotten steeper. All

33:52

across the media industry, we've seen significant

33:54

layoffs and other cuts, including at

33:56

the Times, where annual losses were in the tens

33:58

of millions of dollars. Here's

34:01

Joe Pompeo again. This current

34:04

season of layoffs and contraction of

34:06

industry, I think definitely felt to

34:09

some people like the worst it's

34:11

been since this was happening

34:13

back in 2008 with the crash and

34:16

the recession when things really started

34:18

to nosedive in the media industry.

34:20

And hundreds and hundreds of journalists

34:22

put out of work relatively few

34:25

jobs available and probably more people

34:27

than ever trying to apply for

34:29

those jobs. It does

34:31

feel like a moment where if

34:33

you ever were going to consider finding a more

34:35

lucrative field to be in, this might

34:38

be the thing that pushes you over the edge. Even

34:41

with the layoffs, the Times remains by far

34:43

the largest news operation this side of the

34:45

Potomac and the soon shown family says it

34:47

remains committed to the paper, which has

34:50

won five more Pulitzer's since Tyndall. So

34:52

I find there is still much to be hopeful

34:55

about, especially when it comes to investigative journalism. Often

34:58

those types of big swing

35:00

investigations that end up resulting in

35:02

a 5,000 word expose, that's

35:06

not just something that is holding the

35:09

powerful to account or exposing wrongdoing. It's

35:11

also generally those types of stories which

35:13

are generating the most interest among readers,

35:16

and therefore also tend to be the ones

35:18

that make people want to subscribe to a

35:21

place like the LA Times. So I don't

35:23

think that investigative journalism is necessarily the first

35:25

obvious thing to go even though it is

35:27

kind of one of the more expensive things

35:30

to sustain in a newsroom. Harriet

35:32

shares my view. I'm feeling depressed

35:34

about journalism. But the

35:36

thing about investigative journalism is it's

35:39

supposed to tell people something

35:42

that they don't know and they actually can't

35:44

find online. It can't be

35:46

replaced by AI. That's the whole point of

35:48

investigative journalism. I feel like

35:50

it's very powerful still. And

35:53

maybe it would be like one of

35:55

the last things standing in journalism, investigative

35:57

journalism. In

36:01

so many cases, investigative journalism does

36:03

not happen without brave people like

36:05

the Warrens. The folks who

36:07

often risk everything just to get the truth out.

36:10

Of course, the risk is even greater when they

36:12

speak the truth on the record, in clear public

36:14

view, knowing there could be a terrible

36:16

price to pay. Sarah

36:19

and Charles Warren did that, and their

36:21

courage set in motion a series of

36:23

events that brought down powerful people who

36:26

needed to be brought down. Of

36:29

all the names you've heard in this story, I hope

36:31

theirs are the ones you remember. Again,

36:37

I'm Paul Pringle. Thanks for listening to

36:39

Fallen Angels, the story of California corruption.

36:42

I'm still an investigative reporter for The

36:44

Times, and I hope you continue to

36:47

support local journalism in L.A. and elsewhere.

36:51

The Times is a production of I Heart Podcasts in partnership with Best

36:53

Case Studios. I'm

36:57

Paul Pringle. This show is based on my book, Bad City, Peril and

36:59

Power in the City of Angels. Fallen

37:02

Angels was written by Isabel Evans, Adam

37:04

Pincus, and Brent Katz. Isabel

37:08

Evans is our producer. Brent Katz is co-producer. Associate

37:12

producers are Hannah Leibowitz-Lockard and Anpahoe

37:14

Lock. Executive

37:19

producers are me, Paul

37:21

Pringle, Joe Picarello, and Adam Pincus for Best Case

37:23

Studios. Original music is by James Newberry.

37:27

This episode was edited by Max Michael Miller

37:29

with assistance from Nisha Venkat. Additional

37:33

editing, sound design, and additional music

37:35

is available at the Times. Additional

37:40

editing, sound design, and additional music is

37:42

available at the Times. Harriet

37:44

Ryan, Matt Hamilton, Sarah Parvini, and

37:46

Adam Almaric are consulting producers. Our

37:49

I Heart team is Ali Perry and Carl Cadel.

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