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Hello everybody , welcome to

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your host , claire Sylvan Wand . It's

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Bambi weather here in the south-west

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of England drip-drop , lots of

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April showers . We

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have just changed to British summer

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time , which means longer days and

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the wild places and connect

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with enchantment . I

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wanted to give a shout out to some of my

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favourite podcasts I'm loving

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at the moment Otherworld

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with Jack Wagner

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. He's had a few fairy themed episodes

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featuring gnomes and lots of supernatural

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experiences . Some

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other sphere pod is always

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great boggart

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and banshee , which is

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full of fairy lore . Modern fairy

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sightings with my fairy research

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colleague , the lovely

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joe hickey hall hair

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in the hawthorn on YouTube

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. And a new Supernatural Thriller

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this ethereal episode of the

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Fairy Whispering Podcast , we

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venture into the heart of

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Scotland's mystical allure

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with fairy artist and

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online educator Lucy

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Brydon , land

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of locks and legends . Lucy's passion for her homelands , enchanting flora , fauna and folklore , shines

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through her multifaceted artistic endeavours . Lucy

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co-hosts the Celtic

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Collective Art Club with

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her friend , karen Campbell . Together

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they guide students through fairy

2:23

folklore with their art lessons

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and hold art retreats

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in ancient Scottish castles

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. Lucy recounts her

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spine-tingling encounters in

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one of these castles , where the

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echoes of the past manifest in

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mysterious footsteps and whispering

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spirits and

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whispering spirits . As Lucy shares her experiences , we ponder the intersection of art and the

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supernatural and how creative expression can sometimes

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entice otherworldly revelations

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. Our journey takes

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a near return , as Lucy

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recalls twilight walks

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in the woods that watch Twilight

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walks in the woods that watch a place where the veil between worlds

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seems gossamer thin and the presence of the fae feels almost tangible

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. Lucy's tales invite us to consider

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the unseen forces that

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dance beyond our perception , from

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blue orbs shimmering with an otherworldly

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glow to a rabbit that

3:25

may not be a rabbit at

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, episode 41 , rabbit

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that's Not a Rabbit . Enjoy

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, and I will come back to you at the end

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with some final thoughts . The

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Fairy Whispering whispering podcast explores

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guests encounters

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with the other world of fairy and

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ways of connecting with this realm

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, from listening to messages

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in owl's hoots , finding

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a four-leaf clover , chasing

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rainbows or inviting a

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gnome to dinner . I'm

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Claire Sylvan Wand , a

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fairy whisperer researcher

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, and your guide on this journey

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. Take my hand

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and step into the twilight

4:37

woodland where they are

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waiting to meet you . Welcome

4:52

, lucy .

4:53

Hi , I'm so happy to finally get to have a

4:55

chance to chat with you .

4:57

Yes , it's fantastic , and

5:00

I

5:02

really admire your mixed media

5:04

artwork and , yeah

5:07

, I've wanted to speak with you for a while

5:10

and I

5:12

thought it'd be lovely , because you do

5:14

art workshops in castles

5:16

, don't you , which is fantastic , and

5:19

part of doing those , you've

5:21

had some , some spooky experiences

5:24

, so I thought that'd be , yeah , a great

5:26

place to start .

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Yes , so we do a yearly

5:31

, uh , scottish castle

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art retreat , which , um

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, which is

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cut down to scar , which doesn't

5:39

sound that great , but Scottish

5:42

castle art retreat , and we

5:44

, um , I don't know if I should

5:46

say the name of the castle

5:49

. I don't know if they'd want to be outed

5:51

, although I think

5:53

we have spoken about it on our podcast

5:56

, so maybe it doesn't matter

5:58

too much , but it's

6:00

. It's a very old castle . It's

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been owned by the same family

6:05

for hundreds and hundreds of years . It's

6:08

absolutely beautiful

6:11

. We've been doing art

6:14

retreats there since 2019

6:16

. And obviously , this is Karen

6:19

and myself . We do lots of fun

6:21

projects together . We get on really

6:23

well and we have a lot of fun doing projects

6:25

together , and

6:27

obviously we had a break because

6:29

of the pandemic . So

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, um , we've now

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had three I think

6:37

this is three and

6:39

we're actually doing another

6:42

art retreat starting

6:44

next week , but in a different castle

6:46

. So we're intrigued to see what happens

6:49

in that castle , because this

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one that we've spent

6:53

a lot of time in has

6:55

had a lot . We've had a lot of

6:58

strange experiences so

7:00

to start

7:02

at the beginning . The

7:05

first time that we arrived

7:08

, the activity basically happened from

7:10

the minute we arrived . So

7:12

Karen and I arrived at the

7:14

castle on the first day

7:16

, or I think it was even maybe the night

7:18

before . The participants were coming

7:20

yes , were

7:29

coming . Yes , the owner of the castle showed us around everything and then she

7:31

left to go into her apartment was actually

7:33

, she's actually now the ex-wife of the owner

7:35

, so she's not involved anymore . But she

7:37

left to go into her apartment

7:39

, um , which was

7:41

the door in front of us . So

7:44

they live in a wing of the castle

7:46

and we were standing outside

7:48

the kitchen and

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in front of us was her door . So she

7:54

went that

7:56

way in front of us and

7:58

we were just standing in the hallway

8:01

outside the kitchen basically

8:03

saying to each other oh

8:05

my goodness , this place is amazing , we can't

8:07

believe like we're here and it's just

8:09

so beautiful and

8:12

literally we're

8:15

talking . I felt a shift

8:17

in the air and

8:20

heavy footsteps coming

8:22

down the corridor . That was the

8:24

opposite direction to where the

8:26

owner had gone . So the the

8:30

opposite direction led out towards

8:32

the main door of the castle and

8:36

Karen and I both turned

8:38

around . It was so real

8:40

, it was so genuinely

8:43

real that we actually just

8:45

thought , oh , did she go into

8:49

her apartment and then somehow go out and

8:51

round and back through and she's

8:53

coming back to meet us ? We thought that that

8:55

was what was happening was the owner was coming

8:58

back to meet us , but nobody

9:00

. Nobody came around the corner of

9:03

the corridor and

9:05

not only

9:08

did we hear the footsteps but

9:10

I also felt a shift

9:12

in the air . Like you know , when someone

9:14

is in your area

9:16

, you can feel that , that

9:18

change in energy . And

9:21

so we were like that's a bit weird

9:24

. And then we walked

9:27

down the corridor to see

9:29

if anyone was coming , and nobody was coming . And we

9:31

walked out of the castle and

9:34

we were standing or maybe we're standing

9:36

in the entrance hallway and then

9:38

the owner did come around

9:41

. She came back round the way

9:43

that we should come and she

9:45

was like okay , so is everything okay

9:47

? And I

9:49

said to her is

9:51

this castle haunted ? She

9:55

had the most sheepish , sheepish

9:58

look on her face . She kind of looked

10:00

at me with this sort

10:02

of sort of trying to judge me

10:04

face and went would

10:07

it bother you if it was

10:11

? And we said I said

10:13

I said no , I

10:15

just think that I already had something

10:17

happen . And she said what

10:19

, and I explained to her and she's she

10:21

kind of again looked a little bit sheepish and

10:23

just said , yeah , that

10:26

sounds about right to me . And

10:32

so that year we

10:34

probably had two

10:37

or three other experiences

10:39

. There's a pair of grandfather

10:42

clocks in that corridor and

10:44

the door of one opens

10:46

and closes , like it opens

10:49

continuously , and we tried to debunk

10:51

it . Is there a draft ? But the draft

10:53

wasn't opening the grandfather clock

10:56

that was closer to

10:58

the door in the entrance hallway

11:00

but it was , and it wasn't

11:02

opening the other grandfather clock but just

11:04

this one . Um , we

11:08

found out later in the years

11:11

following that that

11:13

is a common occurrence that

11:15

this door opens and closes

11:17

to the point that now

11:19

, if the door's wide , open , close

11:21

, close the door and say can you just

11:23

keep it closed for a little while please ? I've

11:26

actually had it open , seen

11:29

it open , closed . It been

11:31

standing in the corridor

11:33

with my back to the door , to the grandfather

11:35

clock turned around and it's open again

11:37

. Yeah , it's

11:41

a super common .

11:42

This is a door into a room or door door

11:45

.

11:45

It's the door to the mechanism

11:47

of the clock . Oh , I see , yes

11:50

, you know , like how , on the front of

11:52

a grandfather clock , there's that little wooden door

11:54

that , yeah , open , that you can

11:56

see the weight , that , yeah

11:59

, works . It's that door , it's it

12:01

swings . And

12:04

we had we

12:08

didn't hear too many stories that

12:10

year because that year the

12:13

housekeeper that we then since

12:15

met and the manager of

12:18

the property weren't working

12:21

there , it was just the owner

12:23

and his wife and we didn't really chat

12:25

with them about the ghosts . But we did have

12:28

a few

12:30

other spooky things happen

12:32

, where there was one

12:35

evening where

12:38

we were all in the large

12:40

drawing room , very large lounge

12:42

. And the way that the castle is set

12:45

out is that if you went through

12:47

the entrance hallway , on your

12:49

right there's there's a morning room

12:52

which is like a small room , and

12:54

then through there is the large

12:56

, extremely beautiful

12:58

drawing room and

13:00

then to the left is a little library

13:03

and then in front

13:05

of you is the stone corridor

13:07

where I heard the footsteps , and the stone corridor

13:10

circumvents the library and then

13:12

goes round and through to the

13:14

kitchens . Right . One

13:16

of our residents , one of our guests

13:18

, was we had no wi-fi

13:20

that year . The wi-fi wasn't working . Oh

13:23

gosh , and it was actually wonderful

13:25

clear . Yeah , it just made

13:27

us shut off for the whole week . Yeah

13:30

, it's just so lovely not having people

13:32

constantly going online , and this

13:34

is so nice actually . But so

13:36

we had no wi-fi . But also

13:39

, if you've ever been up in

13:41

castles in scotland , do you realize

13:43

that quite often you don't even get a phone

13:45

signal because they're in the middle of

13:47

nowhere . The walls are really thick

13:49

granite , so

13:52

there was no phone signal in the castle

13:54

either , which was just

13:57

as brilliant . And but

13:59

one of the one of our guests

14:02

wanted to send

14:04

an email or something . She was standing

14:07

outside the castle

14:09

, in the grounds outside the castle , trying

14:12

to get a signal to send her email , and

14:16

she came running through to

14:19

where we were all in the drawing room

14:21

and said was one

14:23

of you just in the library just now ? And

14:25

no , we were like no , we were all

14:27

in this room . And she said because

14:30

the lights went

14:32

on and off and someone

14:34

wrapped really sharply on

14:37

the window and she thought

14:39

that it was one of us knocking

14:41

on the window to get her attention

14:43

. She looked up it

14:45

it wasn't . And then

14:47

we later found out from the

14:50

chef . We had a chef doing

14:52

our catering and she

14:54

had worked she'd done lots of events

14:56

at this castle that

14:59

she had similar

15:01

experiences where

15:03

in the in the corridor

15:05

for any American

15:07

listeners , that's hallway

15:11

outside the kitchen where we

15:14

heard the footsteps . She actually

15:16

had someone speak

15:18

in her ear one time when

15:21

she was on her own , so she was getting ready

15:23

for an event and there was no castle

15:25

and somebody spoke in her ear . And

15:28

then she also had heard

15:31

about somebody

15:35

I don't know if it was a one of her servers

15:37

be like that was

15:40

outside the castle

15:42

, near the kitchen , sitting on the

15:44

windowsill I

15:47

think she was having like a sneaky smoke

15:49

and somebody

15:52

rapped on the window okay

15:54

, yeah , off

15:56

the windowsill , kind of rap and

15:58

she stood up and

16:01

then she was like , oh , I don't

16:03

know what that was . Sat back down and it happened

16:05

again . Oh

16:07

, somebody , yeah , so

16:10

that was the first year . And

16:13

then we had a gap because

16:15

of the pandemic and we were there last

16:18

year and

16:20

last year it was

16:22

absolutely fascinating

16:24

. We actually had a . Sorry

16:34

, can we stop for a second ? Yeah

16:36

, that's fine , I just saw your

16:39

message . Okay

16:42

, yeah , so that following

16:44

that last year

16:46

when we had our first one after

16:48

the pandemic , was super

16:51

interesting for two

16:54

reasons , the first

16:56

being there was a

16:58

housekeeper had started

17:01

, who , who

17:04

also had lots of ghostly

17:07

stories to tell us . Actually , she we

17:10

heard more from her this

17:12

year . But also we

17:15

had , um , one of our

17:17

guests was a

17:19

woman who was really particularly

17:21

sensitive and

17:24

could sense

17:26

and , and she's very

17:28

genuine . She's not somebody who

17:30

would just , um , make

17:32

up things just for the sake of it . Yeah

17:35

, sure , and and because Karen

17:38

and I have known her for quite a long time

17:40

, had lots of chats with

17:42

her about her past

17:44

experiences , so we knew when she was coming

17:47

to the castle , um , her

17:49

name's ginger . Like ginger , you're

17:51

gonna have to tell us what it is that

17:53

you are feeling in this place

17:55

, because we know you're gonna

17:57

feel something and

18:00

what

18:02

the best way she

18:04

described it was

18:07

that this place

18:10

is like a real-life

18:13

version of BBC

18:15

Ghosts . Okay , yeah

18:18

, she said it's full

18:20

of people . Yeah , full of people . Yeah

18:22

, but they're just the past residents

18:24

of the castle , which

18:27

is actually how the owner

18:29

had described it to me . When I first

18:31

said , is this place haunted ? She said , yeah

18:34

, but they're just . It's just the people that used to live

18:36

. Yeah , sure , and

18:39

so we had

18:41

quite a few strange experiences

18:44

that week . But

18:46

on top of that we also had the

18:50

psychic

18:53

insights of this woman who

18:57

could sense

19:00

who was there and what

19:03

well they're , what they were

19:05

, who they were , um , they

19:09

, there was a , the

19:12

one of the one of

19:14

the women in the house , the

19:17

women ghosts

19:19

in the house was

19:21

apparently the

19:25

first kind of lady

19:27

laird , so she

19:29

was the first woman to be the laird

19:31

and Ginger had

19:33

said that she I hope I get

19:35

all this information correct Ginger

19:38

had said that she sent , that

19:40

there was a woman who was really

19:43

the woman of the house . You

19:45

know , know , she was kind of this

19:47

is my place and

19:50

she sensed her in

19:53

the library and around

19:55

the stairs . And

19:57

what's interesting

20:00

is that and

20:02

I'll speak about this more in a minute but

20:05

and

20:07

I got me my facts wrong about

20:10

the housekeeper , because there was a housekeeper and a manager

20:12

, and it was a manager that we met last year

20:14

and she told us lots of

20:16

interesting extra stories

20:18

about other people that had experienced

20:21

things . But this year we

20:23

met the housekeeper , who actually

20:26

does experience things , and

20:28

her experiences

20:31

corroborated what

20:34

ginger had told us and

20:36

the two of them hadn't met

20:38

and yeah that's

20:40

interesting , isn't it , when that happens yeah

20:42

, and , and so she

20:45

would tell us things . As

20:47

soon as we met her we said

20:49

, oh , tell us about

20:51

the ghosts . And we had so

20:53

many interesting conversations . And she

20:55

was telling us conversations . Um

20:58

, karen

21:00

and I were like that's what Ginger told us last

21:02

year . Yeah , that's

21:05

exactly what Ginger said . So

21:07

we had Ginger go around the castle and she would

21:09

say things like yeah

21:11

, in this room I can sense it

21:14

. There was in one room she sensed quite

21:18

a little bit lechy male

21:21

presence who , she said

21:23

I feel like he's trying to push me down onto

21:25

the bed . And there was one

21:27

. There was one evening

21:30

when she was upstairs in

21:32

the top floor where her bedroom

21:34

was and

21:37

she felt a

21:39

shift of energy coming

21:41

up the stairs and

21:43

she actually saw almost

21:46

like from the knees down some

21:50

legs . She saw yeah

21:52

, yeah , like old-fashioned

21:54

stockings and shoes . Yeah

21:56

, in her ear she

21:59

heard a voice say hello

22:01

, ladies , which is a little

22:03

bit creepy . Yeah

22:06

, because

22:09

we're a castle full of ladies . It was only

22:11

ladies on this ritual they

22:13

sound like .

22:14

I mean , this is just my kind of intuitive interpretation

22:17

of it , but these people

22:20

former existing people that were

22:22

there , they were kind

22:24

of just , they're

22:27

quite welcoming but protective of their

22:29

little bit , protective of their space . But

22:31

maybe by the second time you went they're

22:33

just like , oh , it's those people again .

22:35

Yeah , and perhaps showing themselves

22:38

showing up , I think , as every

22:40

year's gone on they've shown themselves

22:42

themselves , yeah . So

22:45

so

22:47

we definitely had , like the the

22:49

noises in the clock last year

22:51

. And then we had all of

22:53

Ginger's unseen

22:56

to us but seen to her

22:59

experiences , which

23:01

I 100% trust and

23:05

she said that there

23:07

was , there was which I 100% trust , and she said

23:09

that there was . She sensed in the hallway where we heard

23:11

the footsteps . She sensed someone

23:14

in a military position

23:17

. And then we found out later that

23:19

the castle had been a hospital

23:21

during the war , so

23:27

there had been soldiers hospital during the

23:29

war , so there had been soldiers there during the war . And

23:37

she sensed that a particular man , the way

23:40

that she described him . Then , when

23:44

we described him to the housekeeper

23:46

, she told us oh

23:49

yeah , that's uncle george , and it was like the great grandfather or something the

23:51

current laird and that she had seen

23:54

him as well . She'd actually seen him . She

23:56

was polishing silverware one time

23:58

and in the reflection

24:00

of the silver mirror she

24:03

saw him right so

24:06

that he waved at her oh

24:09

, wow .

24:10

So that's quite a meditative . This

24:12

is what I'm , you know , I'm

24:14

interested in this . I have this term

24:17

for what I do fairy whispering , you

24:20

know ? That's what , why I've called the podcast very

24:22

whispering . Is that because I'm an artist

24:25

too ? And meditative

24:27

state that we get into

24:29

when we're doing things like that . So she's polishing

24:32

the silverware or creating art

24:34

or music , and , I

24:36

believe , is when we're in this state

24:39

that we can receive those

24:42

connections from

24:44

the other world in whatever

24:47

, way they come .

24:48

That could well be the case . I

24:50

know that the housekeeper is particularly

24:52

sensitive as well and also

24:55

has a very good relationship

24:57

with the house

24:59

. Like she's very respectful , she

25:02

feels quite um protective

25:06

over it and I think that

25:08

the past residents

25:10

see that in her

25:12

and show themselves to

25:14

her more often . Last

25:18

year we had , uh

25:20

, I

25:22

had an experience when

25:25

we were all sitting at

25:28

the dining table . It's a very long

25:30

, thin dining table and actually

25:33

the dining table it is

25:35

a room , but it's actually not

25:37

. It could almost be considered

25:39

another hallway

25:43

and there's a door to outside

25:45

on one side and then if you were to walk all

25:47

the way through the dining hall and

25:49

then through a door that's currently locked

25:51

, it would take you to the , the

25:54

stone hallway with the footsteps and

25:56

and that's where

25:58

the movement , this walking

26:00

movement , happened . And

26:03

we were sitting at the dining table

26:06

, all of us having dinner , and

26:09

out of the corner

26:11

of my eye , I saw

26:14

a person walking

26:16

down the length of the

26:18

dining table behind the women

26:21

opposite me , and

26:23

I genuinely thought that

26:26

it was just one of our guests

26:28

that got up to go to

26:30

the bathroom or get a drink and

26:32

was coming back . So I looked

26:34

up and kind of went I shouldn't

26:36

say like this on a listening podcast

26:39

but I kind of turned my head

26:41

as if to see

26:44

who it was that was coming . You know , if

26:46

you're at a table and someone comes back , you

26:49

kind of turn up and and

26:51

you allow them . Yes

26:54

, and

26:57

as I did that , ginger

26:59

, our psychic lady , looked

27:02

up as well because she was sitting opposite

27:05

me and she saw the same thing

27:07

. But she saw it . It came

27:09

behind me , okay , and

27:11

she said and we ? She said did you

27:13

see that ? and I said yes

27:15

, and it was a shadow

27:18

of a person . Oh , okay

27:20

, but it was you out of

27:22

the corner of your eye . You think you're seeing

27:25

a person

27:27

, but it wasn't . There

27:29

was none of the . None of the

27:31

other ladies were out of their seats . I just

27:33

thought that maybe they were , and

27:37

so it was just a presence

27:41

moving around the dining table

27:43

. A

27:50

presence moving around the dining table

27:52

. And it's funny because before all of

27:54

this , I think I would have felt really fearful of this kind of encounter

27:57

. But in in

27:59

that , in that setting

28:01

, it

28:03

didn't feel scary at all . I felt

28:06

like there were just it's just another

28:08

dimension or there's just the

28:10

past residents and they're just

28:12

there . Yeah , so

28:15

we found ourselves starting to talk

28:17

to them a little bit . Thank you

28:20

for thank you for letting us in your house

28:22

. We really love it . It's

28:24

such a beautiful place . Yeah

28:26

, please close

28:28

the clock door . Just

28:34

keep it closed for a little while . I

28:40

don't know whether that has

28:44

encouraged them to

28:46

show themselves

28:48

more or

28:51

whether it was just

28:53

Ginger being there and being particularly

28:55

sensitive to the

28:58

different people . You

29:02

know she said there there are multiple

29:05

people . She heard someone

29:07

one night when she was

29:09

supposed to be trying to get sleep um

29:12

, really late at night , playing a

29:14

flute or recorder oh , right

29:16

, yeah yeah , they were practicing

29:19

. And then eventually she shouted

29:22

down or spoke quietly

29:24

down the stairs . Could you please stop that

29:26

. I'm trying to sleep .

29:30

And it stopped . So it sounds like , rather

29:33

than just like a past memory , they are

29:35

active spirits

29:37

, yeah . That they are sort of

29:39

interacting . Yeah , yeah , yeah

29:41

.

29:43

Rather than a kind of a you know the stone

29:45

tape theory . It

29:47

almost feels like they are very

29:50

aware of the people that are there

29:53

. Now , you know , I'm gonna knock on the window to get you , yeah

29:56

, and I'm gonna , um , you

29:58

know , whisper in your ear and , and

30:00

yeah

30:03

, it does feel like they

30:05

, they're aware , or

30:07

maybe at least some of them are . There

30:09

might be a mixture between

30:12

, yeah , the two . So

30:15

this year when we went , which was just back

30:17

in June , we

30:20

it was absolutely fascinating

30:22

because we got to know the housekeeper

30:25

really well . We spoke

30:27

to her as much as we could about

30:30

the experiences

30:32

that she'd had and

30:37

I'm not gonna like

30:39

go over all of them because there's

30:41

too many , but also it's kind of her

30:44

, her experiences yeah , sure

30:46

, sure yeah well , we

30:48

certainly had other things . I

30:50

actually there was um

30:53

one afternoon when

30:56

we were all sitting in the big

30:58

drawing room . We

31:00

were doing an art lesson

31:02

because that's what we're there for and

31:05

we're doing a drawing lesson

31:07

. We were all sitting in various

31:09

parts of this big drawing room and

31:12

again out of the corner

31:14

of my eye here

31:18

to the right , I

31:30

thought one of again one of our guests had got up and left the room to go to the bathroom

31:32

or to get a drink or something . And this

31:35

time it wasn't a dark shadow

31:37

, it was a really light shadow

31:39

. It was like somebody was wearing white

31:41

clothing that's the only

31:43

way I can describe it and I

31:46

again looked up and followed

31:49

the shape . I

31:51

was really confused , followed

31:53

the shape going out the door and

31:58

again saw

32:00

that one of our , one

32:02

of our ladies , had also seen

32:04

it because she looked

32:07

out the door and I said to

32:09

her did somebody just leave ? And she said

32:11

I think somebody just left and

32:15

and and then

32:17

I looked around and did the

32:20

the old teacher headcount

32:22

thing .

32:24

Yeah , teachers

32:26

, yeah , I used to be an

32:28

art teacher .

32:34

We're all here because I was gonna

32:36

say somebody's left , let's just pause

32:38

. To sure , and I wasn't

32:40

actually teaching the lesson . Karen was teaching

32:42

the lesson . I was sitting with the other

32:44

ladies doing the lesson

32:46

so I was gonna say , oh , let's

32:49

just , karen , let's just pause . Somebody's left . But

32:51

nobody had left and I was

32:53

like that's so bizarre .

32:55

So I thought , yeah

32:58

, could you describe that again ? So was that

33:00

this person that you saw sitting down

33:02

and got up to leave ?

33:05

I saw them walk behind . There

33:07

was a sofa . I

33:10

was sitting on the floor next to the coffee

33:12

table and just next

33:14

to me , a little bit further away , there

33:17

was a sofa that was

33:19

. There was a space between

33:21

the sofa and the

33:23

wall , I see , and actually

33:25

in that wall is an opening

33:28

that goes through to the dining table , and

33:31

then at the end of the sofa and

33:33

a little bit further on is the doorway that

33:35

goes through to the . That

33:37

eventually leads to the kitchen . Yeah

33:40

, sure , but to

33:42

the right of that sofa , further

33:44

along , there's like a whole heap more of

33:46

drawing room , there's like another sofa

33:49

and more chairs , and so some of the ladies

33:51

were sitting back there . So I

33:53

saw the movement behind the

33:56

sofa . I go

33:58

through that door . Yeah

34:01

, I thought that it was one of the ladies that

34:03

was behind me , that I hadn't

34:05

seen them out

34:08

of a chair , if that makes sense . Yeah

34:10

, sure , and um , so

34:13

I went through to try and find the housekeeper , because

34:15

I thought maybe it was her and

34:18

she was nowhere to be seen , and

34:21

so I texted her like

34:24

where are you ? Did you just come in

34:26

the room ? I was starting to not panic

34:28

, but starting to doubt my eyes

34:30

, you know , and

34:33

then , eventually , she came through and she said

34:35

no , no , no , I was in the apartment , the

34:37

apartment that belongs to the owner and

34:41

she said yeah , there is a woman

34:44

in white in

34:46

this castle . Oh , wow

34:49

, that that

34:52

hangs around this

34:55

area , this stairway . And

34:59

then this super spooky

35:01

thing was that that

35:03

evening , as Karen

35:06

and I were driving back to my house , because we're

35:08

not lucky enough to get to sleep in the castle , we

35:10

have to sleep in my little house

35:12

.

35:14

I was imagining you all sort of yeah

35:16

in the wonderful room .

35:18

Well , the ladies sleep in the castle

35:20

, but if we slept there we wouldn't have

35:22

enough room for all the ladies

35:25

. Yeah , and

35:28

as we were driving home , we were like

35:30

, let's listen to the

35:32

latest modern fairy

35:34

sightings podcast . Oh yes

35:36

, and I put it on

35:39

, and um , and

35:41

immediately joe started speaking

35:44

about women in white encounters

35:46

. Oh yeah , yeah

35:48

, that

35:51

is just so . I texted her that night

35:53

women

35:57

in white encounter and then put your

35:59

podcast on and

36:01

you were talking about women

36:03

in white .

36:04

It was just so bizarre

36:06

it's like an affirmation , isn't

36:08

it , when that happens ? That's the way I interpret

36:10

it anyway . I mean , is that how you felt

36:12

?

36:13

yeah , because it was definitely a woman

36:15

, um

36:18

, and it was definitely

36:20

someone wearing very light coloured

36:23

clothing . It was like a white shadow

36:27

, but not a mist . It's

36:32

difficult when you see something out of the corner of your

36:34

eye . Yes , because you

36:36

can . Still , I don't actually

36:38

go with the skeptics

36:41

theory of

36:44

that your mind's making these things up . No

36:48

, I think that I

36:52

appreciate that there are

36:55

a lot of things to debunk

36:57

in the um

37:00

fairy

37:02

, paranormal ufo

37:04

realm . I

37:07

think that there there's

37:10

something to be said for a

37:13

really good debunking of

37:16

the kind of people that make

37:19

stuff up and post

37:21

their videos in order to

37:24

get views on their YouTube channels

37:26

. Yeah , yeah , definitely . But

37:29

when you have

37:31

something genuine happen , it's

37:35

like how can

37:37

you debunk that ? Because I'm not

37:39

seeing like white mists out

37:42

of the corner of my eye every

37:45

couple of days . No

37:47

, and also the one

37:49

of the other ladies also saw something

37:52

. She looked up as well and she thought somebody

37:54

left the room . So when you have

37:56

corroboration between

37:59

two people , that's also

38:01

harder to debunk , I think

38:03

. Yeah , yeah

38:06

, I think sometimes those debunkers

38:08

some of their excuses . I

38:11

don't know if you've ever listened to the absolutely

38:13

amazing Danny Robbins podcast

38:16

on .

38:16

Yes , I have .

38:18

Yeah , I do love that and

38:20

and I and I love

38:22

the debunking sections

38:24

, but sometimes I'm like

38:26

, come on , you're really

38:28

grasping at debunking straws

38:31

here . Debunking straws

38:33

, yeah .

38:37

It's like for me , it's

38:39

the feeling you have in your body . It's

38:42

an instant knowing . Yeah

38:44

, we can't prove that to anyone else , it's a very personal experience . It's an

38:46

instant knowing . Yeah , we can't prove that to anyone else , it's a very personal experience

38:48

. It's an instant knowing . You don't

38:51

forget that experience ever

38:53

. Yeah , so

38:56

I think that's the difference between when we

38:58

imagine , you know , imagining things

39:00

, yeah , and I don't put the imagination

39:03

. It's very powerful and not to

39:05

be derided either , but I

39:08

think it's just a knowing in your

39:10

body . It's an instant primal

39:12

thing that we have of a recognition

39:14

of yes that was something

39:16

that I saw , I experienced

39:19

, I felt it with my sixth

39:21

sense as well sense

39:30

as well .

39:30

and I think the interesting thing is that I do appreciate that if you were going to

39:32

go into a really old castle which there are a lot of in

39:34

Scotland and you

39:36

were to sit in a room on

39:38

your own in a castle with

39:40

all the lights turned off , that

39:43

your imagination could very

39:45

well make up

39:47

feelings for

39:49

you , that that

39:51

of things being there . But

39:55

when you're just

39:57

sitting enjoying yourself painting

40:00

and you're not thinking

40:02

like that first footsteps , like

40:04

I wasn't even thinking about ghosts

40:07

, we were just standing

40:09

actually going oh , this place is just

40:11

so beautiful and amazing . Oh , somebody's

40:14

coming along the corridor and actually

40:16

those experiences , all of those

40:18

experiences that I've had in that castle , none

40:21

of them have been frightening and

40:23

all of them have been very unexpected

40:26

. I've not been looking for them

40:28

and

40:32

even though in

40:35

consequent years , I know

40:37

that there's something in that castle , I'm not

40:39

going in walking

40:41

around trying , holding my

40:43

breath , trying to see if somebody is going to come

40:45

down the corridor . It's when

40:48

it's always been when

40:50

me or other people have

40:53

been doing something completely

40:56

distracted like so

40:58

. I'll tell you another couple

41:01

of quick stories . One of them was our chef

41:03

, which was a different chef , different

41:05

cater , and he'd never been to the castle

41:07

before and

41:10

he was walking through

41:12

to give us our food and

41:15

coming backwards and forwards from the kitchen

41:17

to the dining hall to give us our food . And

41:20

he came through to the dining room and said is there somebody ? Came through

41:22

to the dining room and said is

41:24

there somebody ? Did somebody leave

41:27

the table Because I'm serving the

41:29

food now ? Is there somebody ? And

41:32

we went no , we're all here . Because

41:34

he was like are you ready to eat , kind of thing . We're

41:36

like , no , we're all here Sitting

41:38

waiting for our lovely , delicious meal

41:40

. And he said , because somebody just walked

41:43

outside the past

41:46

the window and you could see

41:48

on his face , he the

41:50

. He was a little bit scared

41:52

, you could see the cogs . And so

41:54

I went back through to the morning

41:57

room with him and he

41:59

was hilarious . Actually he

42:01

was , he was going , he was walking

42:03

backwards and forwards . Yeah

42:06

, past the window trying to debunk it . He's like it was walking backwards and forwards . Yeah , past the window trying to debunk it

42:08

. He's like it was definitely

42:10

not reflection . Yeah , as

42:12

we do , don't we ? We do this sort of thing . I

42:14

can't see a reflection now . It's definitely

42:17

not a reflection of me . And

42:20

he went . I wonder where my other

42:23

chef is . No , he's in the

42:25

kitchen , busy , busy preparing the food

42:27

. So we were the only

42:29

people and he went . I

42:31

saw the shape

42:33

of a person as

42:35

I walked past the window , walking

42:38

past me outside

42:40

. Yeah , so

42:43

we said to the housekeeper , we

42:45

told her , and she she

42:47

just went . Yeah , there's ghosts in the

42:49

garden as well . Yeah

42:53

, I don't know , like matter

42:55

of fact . And so afterwards

42:58

he was like a little bit scared

43:00

. There was one day that he had to come

43:02

in early . We were all

43:04

out on an excursion , and

43:06

so he was coming in on his own to

43:08

set up for dinner and he said I

43:10

think I'll just go and turn all the lights on

43:13

.

44:06

I'd be the same . I'd be like , yeah

44:08

, put the light off but

44:11

he wasn't .

44:13

He was just walking past to serve food . He

44:15

wasn't . He wasn't in a frame

44:17

of mind where he was thinking ghost , ghost

44:20

, ghost . He was just serving us food

44:22

and thought , genuinely

44:24

thought , that

44:26

one of us was not at

44:28

the dining table , and did he have to wait until

44:30

we were back before ? Sure you know

44:32

? And so he wasn't . I

44:35

think when those kind of things happen , you can't

44:37

use overactive imagination

44:40

as an excuse , because at that

44:42

point your imagination

44:44

isn't running overdrive . He's in work mode

44:47

. Um , there was one

44:49

at in the lap on

44:51

the last day . All

44:54

our guests had gone , they

44:56

had all left , and

44:59

we , karen and I , were in

45:01

the castle with the housekeeper

45:03

and the like , the manager

45:07

I guess you would call her the woman , the

45:09

estate manager , the woman who runs

45:13

the renting out of the castle

45:15

, and we were actually talking

45:17

ghost stories for a really

45:19

long time , like an hour

45:22

and a half . None

45:26

of them were spooky , it was just things

45:28

like you know , the , the , the

45:30

manager said that she's had instances

45:33

where , as

45:35

she's walking down a hallway

45:38

and apparently there's more happens

45:40

in the apartment of the owner

45:42

than in the castle , even , yeah , somebody

45:45

, the pulled her pocket

45:48

so her mobile phone fell out of her

45:50

back . Yeah

45:52

, loads

45:55

of little stories . And as we were

45:57

talking , the

45:59

footsteps came down the corridor and

46:02

we were standing in this tiny

46:05

little , really cute little snug

46:07

lounge that's at the end of that corridor

46:09

. We were just all standing chatting

46:12

and all four of us at

46:14

the same time said there's

46:17

the footsteps , did you hear that

46:19

? Yeah , and they stopped

46:21

outside the door

46:24

to the snug that we were in . And

46:27

we didn't

46:29

see anything because we're not sensitive

46:31

enough .

46:32

But the housekeeper said he's

46:36

right outside watching

46:39

us oh , okay , yeah

46:42

, so it sounds like this mixture of

46:44

prankster sort of energy

46:46

, little pranks and

46:48

then these watchful kind of guardians

46:51

past residents are just keeping

46:53

an eye on what you're doing , how you're

46:55

yeah , you're respecting their space

46:57

yeah there was there

46:59

was , there was one night when we were

47:01

all having dinner and I

47:03

was sitting at the head of the table

47:06

and Kara was sitting at the other

47:08

head of the table . It's like one of these

47:10

big , long , thin

47:12

castle dining tables

47:14

where the two people at the heads are really

47:16

far away from each other and you can't actually

47:21

in those movies where couples that don't

47:24

talk to each other , married couples

47:26

that don't want to talk to each other , and

47:29

my at

47:32

my side was where the door

47:34

, the door right behind

47:36

me , and

47:38

I didn't see a shadow this time

47:41

and this would

47:43

be debunked by

47:46

the debunkers as my overactive

47:48

imagination , but I know it

47:50

wasn't , because

47:52

we were just having a lovely dinner . I

47:55

wasn't thinking about ghosts

47:57

and I

48:00

felt the

48:02

shift in energy of the

48:04

air of somebody walking

48:07

down the length of the table and

48:10

then they walked around and

48:13

they stood behind me

48:15

and peered

48:17

over my shoulder . And

48:19

there was no fear , but I just

48:21

you know when you feel like you've got to

48:24

learn . Yeah , and

48:28

I felt that a lot in my

48:31

house growing up . In one particular

48:33

room there was somebody behind watching

48:35

me . You and I don't

48:37

feel it on a daily basis

48:40

. I'm not feeling that

48:42

only the other time I felt that was

48:44

actually , strangely

48:46

enough , not long after my dad died . For

48:48

a few months I would be in the kitchen

48:51

and there would be somebody standing

48:53

behind me and

49:01

then that feeling just went after a few months and I wondered whether it was the

49:03

presence of my dad . That's

49:06

beautiful .

49:08

I mean , I believe that these , you know , our

49:10

ancestors' spirits come in at

49:13

certain times to support us . Our

49:17

ancestors spirits come in , yeah , at certain times to support us , or , you know really

49:19

sorry to hear that news , by the way , if you're a young dad passing away , um

49:21

, but that that sounds very comforting

49:23

as well to have

49:25

that experience of him feeling

49:27

his presence . For a while I

49:31

felt that with my grandfather

49:33

at times when I've been through difficult

49:35

times and I've actually spoken to a medium

49:37

. They've said oh , your grandfather is with

49:40

you at the moment , helping you through this time

49:42

.

49:43

Yeah , and he pops it's really comforting

49:46

, isn't it ?

49:46

yeah , I've even got random photos

49:49

, like on my on my phone

49:51

. I have , like my one drive photos

49:53

as a slideshow from a screen saver

49:56

. It's

49:58

amazing the amount of times this has happened when

50:00

I'm going through a difficult time

50:02

and I need a bit of support . The

50:04

one photo that I have my grandfather

50:07

, that I'd saved my one

50:09

drive , you know , in the last

50:11

few months pops up . Really

50:14

happened the other day . Yeah , I was

50:16

like , right , okay , thank you , I know

50:18

you . It's almost like he's

50:20

backing up what I'm thinking , or that's

50:23

the way I interpret it . It's all very personal

50:26

, isn't it ?

50:26

but yeah , yeah

50:28

, yeah , yeah

50:30

, I just I . I

50:33

don't think it was funny , because Karen was

50:35

at the opposite end of the table and she

50:37

started looking at me like quizzingly

50:40

and I was like that's

50:43

the wrong expression . I managed

50:45

to kind of

50:49

allow it to happen for a few

50:51

minutes but

51:02

after a while it

51:04

became uncomfortable and

51:07

I just stood up and I went and sat

51:10

next to her for a few minutes and

51:12

she was like what was wrong ? And I said , said there was somebody

51:15

standing behind

51:18

me and they weren't being

51:20

menacing , they were just

51:22

.

51:22

I just felt like you

51:24

say that there are these guardians

51:29

of the house that were

51:31

just just checking that everything

51:34

was going okay , kind

51:36

of thing yeah , no , I'm

51:38

interested as well , lucy , about

51:41

the art you were creating

51:43

and whether any of these spirits

51:46

or anything like

51:49

a message or symbols or

51:51

anything came through the art that's being

51:53

created during those few days

51:55

. Do you think that's so interesting ?

51:57

because objects from around the house

51:59

. We

52:19

took a lot of photos . We

52:21

went on a hunt around

52:24

the house . The house is so

52:26

beautiful and there's

52:28

so many beautiful

52:31

portraits of past

52:33

residents , so we really

52:35

were was we were paying

52:37

attention to

52:40

, uh , the

52:42

finer details and the people

52:45

like , yes , that we

52:47

, we it's not that we were just sitting

52:50

on the sofa and not looking . We're like looking

52:52

closely at all of the sitting

52:56

on the sofa and not looking . We were like looking closely at all of the portraits of the

52:58

people that had lived there . We did one exercise where

53:00

we did a portrait , but we had

53:02

our own . We did our own

53:04

interpretation . So we used one

53:07

of the portraits on the wall and

53:09

we did we did our own versions

53:12

and then turned this woman

53:14

into a fairy .

53:18

Wow , that sounds

53:20

lovely . I wonder how she , I

53:23

wonder if her spirit was around

53:25

, whether she , whether

53:28

she came close . Did you feel like

53:30

one Maybe ?

53:30

she was the one that walked through the

53:32

door , because that was

53:35

it was during that . I

53:38

hadn't put that two and two

53:40

together . Actually , until just

53:42

now I hadn't thought about it in that way , but it

53:45

was that we

53:47

were doing that exercise when I saw

53:49

the woman in white Right

53:51

oh , I've got goosebumps .

53:57

Yeah , I hadn't thought about it . That's super interesting . I tell you what . What I'm going to do , because

53:59

I said I would do this at the beginning , but I'm going to do it . Now

54:02

feels like a good time to do it . I'm going to draw

54:04

one of these lovely fairy cards I

54:06

have by um

54:08

Sharon McLeod

54:10

. Oh , the packet I'll

54:13

have to . They're like these

54:15

. They're called fairy magic

54:17

by sharon mcleod . They're

54:20

just really simple . They've got

54:22

the messages on the back . They're

54:24

really simple little cards I just like

54:27

. So I'm gonna ask should I ? What

54:29

? Should I ask a question about ?

54:31

the , the woman yeah , yeah

54:33

, do it what should I ask

54:36

?

54:37

so ? Was the lady lucy

54:41

saw at

54:44

the corner of her eye the lady in white . Was

54:46

she the lady

54:48

in the portrait ? I don't

54:51

know if this will give me . These cards are right .

54:53

Oh , just one just jumped out oh

54:56

, you've got to go with that one then , yeah this

55:03

is to do with cats .

55:04

The cat , she , oh

55:06

um

55:09

. A cat lives , nine lives

55:12

, then transforms into a witch Cat

55:14

. She walks with you . At this time

55:16

, you have luck and destiny on your side

55:19

. You're a magical being

55:21

in the process of transforming and shape-shifting

55:23

, preparing to birth your visions and plans

55:25

. You're ready to weave

55:27

your magic . Luck

55:30

is on my side . Luck is

55:32

on my side . I believe in my vision

55:34

.

55:39

So it's like luck and self-belief and weaving . The interesting

55:41

, the interesting little

55:44

bit that I'm getting

55:46

from that , yeah , is

55:48

the word shape-shifting

55:50

and the fact that I just said

55:52

that we turned her into a fairy yes

55:55

, shapeshifting

55:58

. So I don't know if that's

56:00

me finding

56:03

meaning or whether

56:05

there is a connection there .

56:08

I'll just draw one more and see . So

56:15

this one is um san

56:19

pedro , san pedro berry

56:22

. That's a type of cactus

56:24

hallucinogenic cactus , oh

56:26

yes , and she's

56:28

got little horns , a bit like um

56:32

ellen of the ways . Go

56:35

into your heart space . Imagine . It

56:37

is a sacred grove in the

56:39

heart . We are all one and equal

56:41

. This fairy is a master teacher who

56:43

helps you grow , learn and awaken

56:46

. She helps open your eyes

56:48

to what , what already exists

56:50

. Miracles are taking place

56:53

. The saint pedro fey helps

56:55

you find new belief systems and

56:57

bring your healing from depression

56:59

and grief . Miracles are

57:01

in the making .

57:02

I believe in miracles oh

57:05

, I like the sound of that one go

57:10

into your heart space .

57:14

So I don't know if those relate

57:16

, but you're saying the catchy kind of

57:18

relates , the shape-shifting but

57:20

that that tapped me when I was reading

57:22

that shape-shifting yeah

57:24

and

57:27

.

57:27

I think , I'm gonna have to ponder

57:30

. I always find with cards that when

57:32

I hear , when I read

57:34

the , the

57:36

meaning and the shape

57:39

. Sometimes I think

57:41

, oh , I don't know what that is . And then

57:43

, as the day goes on , I realize

57:46

what the significance

57:49

is . Or I realize

57:51

that the significance isn't necessarily

57:54

the thing that we ask the question

57:56

of , but it's something else that

57:58

I suddenly go yeah that's

58:01

yeah yeah

58:03

, be interesting to know a bit more

58:05

about the woman in the painting , wouldn't ?

58:07

it yeah maybe , so

58:11

I was wondering if you always

58:14

started talking , lucy , you shared

58:16

about . There's a couple of experiences I'd

58:18

like to try and talk with you

58:20

before we finish . Yeah , possible . There's

58:23

the , the blue orb . Yeah

58:26

, and the hair that wasn't a hair

58:28

, yes , so which one

58:30

would you like to start with ?

58:32

I'll start with the blue orb . It's fairly a

58:34

fairly quick story because

58:36

our time is short

58:38

. That's fine , but

58:40

that took place two

58:46

years ago , I think . You know . The

58:48

last three years I've got

58:50

such time discombobulation

58:54

, I know I think we're all the same , aren't we

58:56

sometimes ? I say something from

58:58

last year and then realize it was three years

59:00

ago . It's like , it's almost like that

59:03

it's . I feel like we we've

59:05

lost time . I feel like time

59:08

didn't exist in the

59:10

same way in the last three

59:12

years . Yeah , I get

59:14

and if , and

59:17

I get constantly get confused over

59:19

when things took place , and but

59:22

it was definitely during

59:25

that kind of pandemic height

59:28

, but not the first wee while

59:30

. So I think it was 2021 and

59:33

I was walking with

59:36

my friend that I always

59:38

dog walk with and

59:40

it was before I had my dog

59:42

, but she also has

59:45

a greyhound and we

59:47

were walking her dog and

59:50

we went to

59:52

these woods . That

59:54

I

59:57

think that you so

1:00:02

unclear , but you know what I

1:00:05

mean when I say that

1:00:07

there are certain woods that

1:00:09

have a feeling and

1:00:11

there are certain woods that are just , yeah

1:00:14

, and there are certain woods where you

1:00:16

feel . There

1:00:19

are certain woods for me where I feel like

1:00:21

the woods are watching me , yes

1:00:25

, and

1:00:27

that they are a

1:00:29

living entity almost

1:00:32

, and

1:00:34

so we were

1:00:36

walking her dog in these woods

1:00:38

and that

1:00:42

at the end of the path , in

1:00:45

these woods , it's not the end of the path , but

1:00:47

it's the end of the path for me . I

1:00:49

can't go any further is

1:00:51

a little hut that

1:00:54

has this really

1:00:57

ramshackle , that has

1:00:59

an open doorway and

1:01:01

an open window and

1:01:03

I can't walk past it

1:01:05

oh yeah , I get the chills

1:01:07

when it's talking about that watching

1:01:10

me from inside the hut . There's

1:01:13

definitely something in that hut

1:01:15

that when I get near

1:01:17

it I have to turn around and go back

1:01:21

and do you think people have practiced

1:01:23

magic there , like dark

1:01:25

magic , or I'm not sure

1:01:27

? What ? It is ? Just

1:01:33

a funny . It's

1:01:36

just a funny , funny feeling there

1:01:38

that I just feel like you

1:01:40

know , when you get the feeling that there

1:01:42

is something stinking , you don't

1:01:45

any leader

1:01:47

oh yeah , I've had that a

1:01:49

few times , yeah , yeah and

1:01:51

um , and so we

1:01:54

we'd walk down and we were turning

1:01:56

back and

1:01:58

it's a beautiful woods , very

1:02:00

magical , huge , big old

1:02:03

trees , and

1:02:05

at the time of the year that we

1:02:07

were there , and again it was

1:02:09

, it was evening . We , we , at

1:02:12

this point , during kind of pandemicy

1:02:15

, um wasn't quite lockdown

1:02:17

, but like we were doing evening dog , lots

1:02:19

of evening dog walks and

1:02:21

and it

1:02:26

was so , it was twilight , it

1:02:29

was , I

1:02:32

want to say , early

1:02:36

autumn , or

1:02:38

there were ferns

1:02:41

in that wood that were

1:02:43

taller than me so

1:02:45

everything in the room . There were , so we were , so everything

1:02:47

had grown . There were , so we were walking through the path . There

1:02:49

were ferns this tall and

1:02:54

I think I was talking to

1:02:56

her about um

1:03:00

. I

1:03:02

think I was talking to her about the

1:03:04

fairy experience that

1:03:08

I'd been speaking to Joe

1:03:10

Hickeyhall about

1:03:16

. Hovering above

1:03:22

the

1:03:25

line of the foliage

1:03:27

was electric

1:03:30

blue light

1:03:33

. That's all I can describe

1:03:35

yeah probably

1:03:37

20

1:03:43

, 30 , 40 feet away from

1:03:46

me , so it wasn't super close and

1:03:49

it was not an animal's

1:03:51

eye , because there was only one

1:03:53

and it was too tall

1:03:56

because the ferns

1:03:58

were about my

1:04:00

. I'm five . I'm only five foot three

1:04:02

, but the ferns were like five

1:04:05

foot tall . You know , they weren't

1:04:07

. They weren't only like

1:04:09

a foot tall , they were really overgrown

1:04:12

. The the this

1:04:15

section of the woods was

1:04:17

quite sparse with trees , but it was like

1:04:19

a flat bit with loads

1:04:21

of smaller trees and then all

1:04:24

of these ferns . And I looked

1:04:26

over and it

1:04:29

was just hovering . This

1:04:31

. Um , it

1:04:34

was like a . How

1:04:39

would I describe the blue ? It

1:04:44

was like an , an ultramarine

1:04:47

sort of bright

1:04:49

, uh-huh

1:04:51

, electric blue .

1:04:53

That's yes I bet which

1:04:55

is highly unnatural , isn't it to

1:04:57

see , apart from blue

1:04:59

flowers that we see , to see

1:05:01

something that colour , yeah

1:05:04

, in nature ?

1:05:06

Yeah , and

1:05:12

then it was gone . So that was that . It's

1:05:14

a very short story , but to me I just don't know

1:05:16

what that was .

1:05:18

What was the feeling you got from it ? I

1:05:20

mean , was there a feeling

1:05:22

that you had anywhere ?

1:05:24

I felt like it wasn't

1:05:26

a coincidence that I was talking

1:05:28

about experiences

1:05:32

and

1:05:35

then saw that , Again

1:05:38

, I felt like it was something in the woods

1:05:40

watching

1:05:43

, you know . Yeah

1:05:46

, watching you

1:05:49

know , yeah , like I feel

1:05:51

like sometimes we

1:05:53

are privileged

1:05:58

to be allowed to

1:06:01

be in these places

1:06:03

, yes , and we

1:06:07

should respect them and

1:06:11

then every so often there's

1:06:14

something or a

1:06:16

feeling that reminds

1:06:18

you that you are

1:06:22

not alone in them

1:06:24

. Does that sound too

1:06:26

?

1:06:30

no , no , no , no , it doesn't not

1:06:33

to you . I

1:06:43

speak to so many people or you you must as well

1:06:45

about experiences like this . I

1:06:49

did a painting of Wisman's Wood which

1:06:51

I'm going to frame for my mum actually

1:06:53

. Where I painted , you know like

1:06:55

just psychically , saw

1:06:57

all these orbs . It's in my cupboard , my

1:07:01

mystical art cupboard behind me , and

1:07:06

I'm going to get this framed for my mom actually

1:07:08

. But blue

1:07:11

orbs , but there's , there's

1:07:13

lots of orbs in the background . Oh

1:07:15

wow , look at that , that's beautiful

1:07:17

um , there's some pink

1:07:19

ones , or . Yeah , that's gorgeous

1:07:22

clear . I thought I'd painted

1:07:24

some . Yeah , there was . There's

1:07:27

another one I've done was blue , but there are some little bits

1:07:29

of blue in there and things , but that's

1:07:32

how I was seeing fairy

1:07:36

presence .

1:07:37

I was listening to another podcast

1:07:39

recently and I can't . It's

1:07:42

so it's really gonna annoy me , because I can't

1:07:44

even remember what podcast it was or

1:07:47

what episode it was . It

1:07:49

was only last week , maybe or

1:07:51

the week before , and

1:07:54

that and there was a guest that spoke

1:07:57

about seeing a blue orb

1:07:59

in the woods and I went

1:08:01

oh wow , it's

1:08:03

not just me then , so you , know

1:08:05

it's interesting when you hear , when

1:08:10

you hear those stories

1:08:12

well , there's

1:08:14

all the stories of willow the wisp , isn't there

1:08:17

?

1:08:17

various , you know , people

1:08:19

have come up with various theories and things

1:08:21

, but I mean , I've met , I've spoken to people

1:08:23

that have seen them . Um , so

1:08:27

there's so much that we don't know

1:08:29

there , about energy and

1:08:31

about how I just

1:08:34

did a , I've just released an episode speaking

1:08:37

to my guest , jen , who I've listened

1:08:39

to it .

1:08:40

I was just .

1:08:41

That was absolutely fascinating

1:08:44

when she was talking about

1:08:46

her experiences and seeing them

1:08:48

in cameras and

1:08:50

slowing them down , yeah

1:08:53

, yeah and I've captured

1:08:55

them on an episode

1:08:57

that I did with kate hair girl ray

1:08:59

a few months ago . She

1:09:01

had loads of orbs and

1:09:04

I've had them appear around me as

1:09:06

well . So there's

1:09:09

some . Whether it's related to our energy

1:09:11

or I think it's a mixture

1:09:14

. I think it's probably related to our energy

1:09:16

sometimes and fairy energy

1:09:18

, our energy field , but

1:09:20

then nature has its

1:09:22

own energy and these beings

1:09:24

travel using

1:09:27

these orbs as well . So

1:09:29

some of the orbs that gems captured

1:09:32

have got little beings in them , faces

1:09:34

, um

1:09:38

spirits and fairy

1:09:41

beings . So

1:09:43

, yeah , I think it to see

1:09:46

that really it's a real privilege , isn't

1:09:48

it ? Yes , it's almost like a

1:09:50

hello from oh

1:09:52

, you're talking about us .

1:09:53

Yeah , yeah , and just like with the

1:09:55

, with the sort of ghostly

1:09:58

paranormal things , um

1:10:01

, it's

1:10:04

always an unexpected . It's not

1:10:06

you can't , you

1:10:09

can't will yourself

1:10:11

to see those things and have them

1:10:13

happen , that they almost

1:10:15

for me . Certainly

1:10:17

maybe not for other people , but they

1:10:20

happen when you're not expecting them . So , yeah , it's all these people that say

1:10:22

, well , like in this day and age of cameras , why haven't you got a photo ? And it's like , well , but

1:10:24

you're not expecting them . So , yeah , it's all these people that say , well , like

1:10:26

in this day and age of cameras , why haven't you

1:10:28

got a photo ? And it's like , well , but

1:10:30

you're not expecting it . So you know

1:10:32

. And then , as soon as if you were

1:10:34

to get your phone out , it's , it's gone

1:10:36

, it's gone , it's . You don't get a chance

1:10:39

to do that kind of thing , and

1:10:41

it's . It's almost like these things happen

1:10:43

when you you're

1:10:46

not focusing on

1:10:48

um

1:10:51

wanting them to happen . You're thinking

1:10:53

about other things or you're

1:10:56

in a different kind of mindset

1:10:58

yeah , yeah it is

1:11:00

.

1:11:01

I see it as a sort of a meditative , mindful

1:11:04

mindset where you're minding like

1:11:06

you are walking on , mind your own business , literally

1:11:09

, perhaps just enjoying , you know , open

1:11:12

. I think having an open heart helps

1:11:15

and not being distracted

1:11:17

by phones and things , and

1:11:19

then that's when these things happen and

1:11:22

also the connection

1:11:24

that you have with those woods , that

1:11:26

you've established some reciprocity

1:11:30

with that place . Yeah

1:11:33

, yeah . Maybe

1:11:35

they're recognising you as oh , she's

1:11:38

back , she's talking

1:11:40

about us .

1:11:41

Maybe Because the other

1:11:43

, the one with the hair

1:11:45

, not a hair yes , that

1:11:49

was a different woods , but

1:11:51

the I only started walking

1:11:54

in those woods quite recently , mostly

1:11:59

because my , my dog , is a little

1:12:01

bit of a stress head sometimes , and during

1:12:03

the summer , um , there's just too

1:12:06

many cats , too

1:12:08

many so to to

1:12:10

put this , this experience

1:12:13

, into context , my

1:12:15

dog is a greyhound and , yeah

1:12:17

, anyone knows greyhounds and

1:12:19

my not all greyhounds but my

1:12:21

greyhound has an extremely high

1:12:23

prey drive . So , even though

1:12:25

he is a super lazy , gentle

1:12:28

dog , if

1:12:30

you see a cat or

1:12:33

even a leaf blowing

1:12:35

in the wind or

1:12:38

someone else's little furry dog like a

1:12:40

chihuahua or something , he gets

1:12:42

super excited . Greyhounds

1:12:45

can see for 270

1:12:47

degrees degrees , so they can see all the way around

1:12:50

, and they can see for half a mile

1:12:52

, so their eyesight is extremely

1:12:54

keen and they particularly pick

1:12:56

up on moving things . So

1:13:00

if if

1:13:02

he sees something darting or moving

1:13:05

, he is on

1:13:07

it . Before ivy spotted

1:13:09

it and during the

1:13:11

summer , there were just too many

1:13:13

cats around the neighborhood

1:13:16

we call them tasty snacks

1:13:18

in my house and

1:13:21

so I started walking them in these

1:13:23

woods , because these woods were

1:13:25

quite quiet and not

1:13:28

as many people walk their dogs there

1:13:30

, even , and

1:13:33

the first time I went in these woods

1:13:35

I called them the woods that watches

1:13:37

. These

1:13:42

are there is something

1:13:46

slightly unnerving

1:13:48

actually about these woods . So

1:13:51

, and it , and you

1:13:53

know how , in one of your episodes you were talking

1:13:55

about bodies of water and crossing

1:13:58

bodies of water . Yeah

1:14:00

, it was the one about your house and the water

1:14:03

. Oh , first

1:14:05

contacted you about I

1:14:07

can't , can't quite . I'm sure

1:14:09

it was one of your episodes .

1:14:11

Oh , was I , maybe when I was talking

1:14:13

in an interview about the house

1:14:15

I lived in ?

1:14:17

yeah , with the running , with the running water

1:14:19

, yeah , so

1:14:21

in these woods , um , these

1:14:24

woods are full of crisscrossing

1:14:28

areas of

1:14:31

running water , little

1:14:34

streams and

1:14:37

crossroads of paths , so there are

1:14:39

. There's a . It's not a big

1:14:41

woods of

1:14:50

big woods . They're quite small and but , funnily enough , on really old maps because I had

1:14:52

a look on some really old maps they are called wilderness

1:14:55

right

1:14:59

, the woods are called wilderness . Yes

1:15:03

, ah um

1:15:06

, it's , um

1:15:08

. It's quite a small woods and

1:15:11

there are , so there are little

1:15:13

crossroads all

1:15:21

over the place . The woods are full of crossroads

1:15:23

, and so

1:15:25

as

1:15:28

soon as I walk over one

1:15:30

set of crossroads , yeah

1:15:32

. I could feel myself

1:15:35

going into an area

1:15:37

that was watchful

1:15:40

and the whole

1:15:42

time I was in that bit I

1:15:44

felt like I needed to walk faster

1:15:47

because I wasn't wanted

1:15:50

there , until

1:15:53

I reached a stream and a crossroads

1:15:56

and crossed that bit and I was out

1:15:58

of it and I felt a shift

1:16:01

in the heaviness of

1:16:03

the atmosphere . In

1:16:10

the heaviness of the atmosphere , yeah , and there are probably

1:16:12

certain people in my life , like my adult son , who would say mum , you're

1:16:15

around the band , it's all your imagination , but

1:16:17

I don't think it is , and

1:16:19

so , but

1:16:21

I still walked my dog there because it's

1:16:24

a good place to walk my dog and a

1:16:26

few times I walked there , I

1:16:28

I would say , I know

1:16:30

you're here and . I know you're

1:16:32

watching me as I walked

1:16:35

through the woods . I

1:16:37

just like look around and say I , I

1:16:39

know , I know I'm in your

1:16:41

woods and I know you're watching

1:16:43

me . I could feel that

1:16:46

something is the really dense

1:16:49

trees , something in the

1:16:51

trees , watching

1:16:54

the path , watching the people walking

1:16:56

through the woods , and there are a

1:16:59

whole heap of crisscrossy

1:17:01

paths going all the way through these woods and

1:17:04

I've gone on . I've

1:17:06

kind of tried all of them out , and

1:17:08

there are certain ones

1:17:10

that if it was twilight or

1:17:14

if I was on my own , I would

1:17:16

either walk quite quickly or wouldn't

1:17:19

go that way . And

1:17:21

so there was one night that me

1:17:23

and my friends the friend that I'd

1:17:25

been with before said

1:17:27

let's go for a twilight walk in the woods

1:17:29

, and she calls

1:17:31

them the spooky woods , I call them the woods

1:17:34

that watches Great

1:17:37

names . So

1:17:40

we took our dogs and

1:17:43

she's also got a grey hand and

1:17:45

we walked through

1:17:48

all the paths of the woods

1:17:50

yeah and

1:17:52

we said right , let's just stop and listen

1:17:55

so we stopped and

1:17:57

we just stood there and

1:18:00

there was absolute silence

1:18:03

, not a single sound , and

1:18:06

then there was five

1:18:10

to ten minutes of

1:18:12

intense chattering

1:18:15

of bats , bats

1:18:17

flying over

1:18:19

our heads , forwards and forwards

1:18:22

to wherever they were nesting and I

1:18:24

love bats , so we just do

1:18:26

the bats , yeah , and

1:18:28

absolutely love seeing bats

1:18:31

flying . Our dogs , meanwhile

1:18:33

, are just standing with

1:18:35

us because they're pretty patient

1:18:38

dogs greyhounds are quite good at just

1:18:40

standing waiting and , and

1:18:44

in the distance , down the path

1:18:46

, we could see a rabbit hair

1:18:49

I think it was a rabbit , more than a hair

1:18:51

and um

1:18:54

, and

1:18:58

so I said , oh , maybe

1:19:00

we should move on , because if my

1:19:02

dog sees that , he's gonna go absolutely

1:19:06

crazy . And this

1:19:09

here rabbit , this rabbit

1:19:11

was just

1:19:16

standing sitting

1:19:18

on the path , yeah , and

1:19:22

then it , it

1:19:24

leapt off into the bushes

1:19:27

beside the path for a little

1:19:29

bit , just low , low

1:19:31

bushes , not

1:19:33

really big bushes Then

1:19:36

. So we started walking

1:19:38

and while

1:19:41

it's hiding , we'll

1:19:43

walk along the path , but

1:19:46

we were walking quite slowly . And then the hair came back along the path , but we were walking quite

1:19:48

slowly , and then the hair came back

1:19:50

onto the path and it and

1:19:52

it hopped very slowly along

1:19:55

the path towards us and

1:19:58

neither of

1:20:00

our dogs spotted

1:20:02

it and we stopped

1:20:05

. Yeah , he watched

1:20:07

the hair hop , it

1:20:10

, the . It

1:20:13

was watching us , that's

1:20:15

all I could think it was . It was , it

1:20:17

was watching us . It hopped

1:20:19

. It hopped along the path past

1:20:24

our dogs who were

1:20:26

looking around like there was nothing there

1:20:28

and

1:20:31

we both said our

1:20:33

dogs can't see that .

1:20:36

That's really weird yeah

1:20:39

, it's bizarre , isn't it ?

1:20:42

and the dogs were just kind

1:20:44

of standing there like chilling and

1:20:47

that's the only time I ever ever seen my

1:20:49

dog stand and chill if there was a little fluffy

1:20:52

thing within his vicinity

1:20:54

. And

1:20:57

then the rabbit hopped

1:21:00

past . It stopped again

1:21:02

, it looked back at us , it

1:21:04

watched us for a little while and

1:21:08

then it hopped off down the path .

1:21:11

My friend turned to me and said that

1:21:15

wasn't a rabbit , no

1:21:17

, no god , oh

1:21:20

my god , yeah

1:21:22

, yeah , because mean prey

1:21:26

animal just wouldn't run

1:21:28

towards danger at all would

1:21:34

it ?

1:21:37

the dogs

1:21:42

? There's

1:21:44

no way . I mean my , my dog

1:21:46

on other walks has

1:21:49

has what

1:21:52

been walking , walking , walking childless

1:21:54

can be , and then will suddenly

1:21:56

leap like

1:21:59

a lizard and stick his head

1:22:01

in the bush because there's a toad

1:22:03

in there or a bird or

1:22:05

something and he's

1:22:07

gone for it . Like he is , his

1:22:10

reflexes are so quick he's

1:22:13

gone for it before I've even realized there was something

1:22:15

there . Yeah so

1:22:19

, but he was . They were both

1:22:21

literally standing

1:22:24

going like this . At one point

1:22:26

I think they even looked at it and

1:22:29

they didn't see . They

1:22:31

didn't see it and

1:22:33

my friend said

1:22:35

it's the woods .

1:22:37

Yeah , it's

1:22:40

by by that what she mean by that

1:22:42

, it's words that the rabbit was

1:22:44

part of the woods right yeah

1:22:48

, because there were all these stories , aren't

1:22:50

? They were in folklore , of fairies

1:22:53

shape-shifting into rabbits

1:22:55

.

1:22:55

Yes , exactly , and

1:22:57

that's exactly what crossed my mind

1:22:59

that it was a yeah

1:23:02

it wasn't . It wasn't a really an animal

1:23:04

.

1:23:05

So was it ? Did it appear

1:23:07

solid ? And yeah

1:23:09

, you know , yeah , yeah

1:23:14

, because I've seen hares here

1:23:16

in Devon very rarely but a

1:23:18

couple of occasions , and they , the

1:23:20

hares , are massive , aren't they like ?

1:23:22

rabbits are like this is more of a rabbit

1:23:24

than .

1:23:24

I hear things yeah

1:23:27

, gosh , that's

1:23:31

so . That is so weird , I know

1:23:33

, I know . Wow

1:23:35

, what was your feeling

1:23:37

? I mean , what , what's ? What

1:23:40

was your sensation ? Did you pick up from it

1:23:42

? Did you both feel

1:23:44

anything in particular

1:23:46

?

1:23:48

or I felt like

1:23:50

that . It was

1:23:52

a creature

1:23:54

of the forest whether

1:23:57

that was forest

1:24:01

energy or fae

1:24:03

energy that was

1:24:06

checking

1:24:10

us out under the disguise

1:24:12

of an animal because

1:24:19

we'd stop to listen . Yeah

1:24:21

, if

1:24:28

that makes sense .

1:24:30

So do you mean that it was because

1:24:33

you were paying attention

1:24:35

? Yeah , yeah , it

1:24:37

presented itself . Yeah

1:24:39

, ah , okay

1:24:42

.

1:24:44

Because normally I would dog walk

1:24:46

through through like

1:24:48

other people dog

1:24:50

walk through , and

1:24:53

there's probably a there's not

1:24:56

a huge amount of people that walk through

1:24:58

there , but I would probably

1:25:00

I'd probably hazard a guess

1:25:03

that 99% of them

1:25:05

walk through there without any

1:25:08

gut feeling at all

1:25:10

. They're

1:25:12

just walking through the woods . Yeah

1:25:15

, I don't know whether that I've gotten over

1:25:17

an active imagination , but I don't

1:25:19

think it's that . I

1:25:21

don't know if I'm more sensitive to those kinds

1:25:23

of feelings or something

1:25:26

, but I did say to

1:25:28

one other person have

1:25:30

you ever

1:25:33

had a funny feeling about those woods ? And

1:25:35

she said , yes

1:25:37

, I won't go anywhere near

1:25:40

them at night . Right

1:25:42

, I'm getting chills right

1:25:52

, I'm getting chills and we don't live . If anyone from america or even england is listening

1:25:55

, they would go well , I wouldn't go near any woods at night but I live in a really

1:25:57

safe part of scotland

1:26:00

. Yeah , you know , I

1:26:02

would probably walk my

1:26:05

dog in the woods at night with a head torch

1:26:07

without

1:26:09

worrying too much that something

1:26:11

bad's going to happen to me

1:26:14

. It's not

1:26:21

like other parts

1:26:23

of the world where you worry

1:26:25

about , you

1:26:28

know , lots of criminals or

1:26:31

anything like that . Yeah

1:26:33

, there's something there's

1:26:36

, just it is that those

1:26:38

woods are the . I

1:26:42

get more feeling from those than

1:26:44

I did from the woods with the orb

1:26:46

, but it it's on

1:26:49

a similar vein , but there

1:26:51

are other woods I walk in all

1:26:53

the time that

1:26:56

I just these are just woods , they're

1:26:58

just yeah , it'd

1:27:01

be interesting to look at the history of the land

1:27:04

there . That's something that I I've really tried

1:27:06

to do some research and I

1:27:08

haven't managed to

1:27:10

get anything online with a Google

1:27:12

, so I would imagine whether

1:27:15

I would have to maybe go a bit further

1:27:18

and start looking in documents

1:27:20

in libraries and things .

1:27:21

Yeah , well , it's something that

1:27:24

I like to do for people

1:27:26

because I I look at maps , um

1:27:28

that the library

1:27:30

of scotland has got lots of old maps

1:27:33

online , um

1:27:35

, and there's another website

1:27:38

I use called archie maps

1:27:40

archie , sorry , archie

1:27:43

maps like a , r , c

1:27:45

, h , I which I

1:27:47

pay it's like a monthly

1:27:49

subscription for that because there's

1:27:52

lots of . They've got archaeological maps

1:27:54

and they show you archaeological

1:27:56

discoveries and layers of history

1:27:59

and I love old maps

1:28:02

, terrain and things like that , and

1:28:04

something else I do is remote viewing

1:28:07

. So with

1:28:09

the episode I've just done , I did some remote

1:28:11

viewing of James Garden and

1:28:13

looked at the history and did

1:28:15

some psychic art of that

1:28:18

area as well . So

1:28:20

I love that . I love uncovering

1:28:22

the layers of history , because

1:28:24

there might not be any

1:28:27

human history in those woods . They

1:28:29

might , but then things might have gone on

1:28:31

around the woods yes , uh-huh

1:28:34

, battles or um

1:28:37

who knows

1:28:39

the person said that this

1:28:42

is a sensitive subject .

1:28:44

Sorry , but the person that said that

1:28:46

she didn't like to go in it in the evening

1:28:48

, she did

1:28:50

know of at least two

1:28:53

people who

1:28:56

had , um , taken

1:28:58

their own lives in those woods , right

1:29:01

, yeah , so

1:29:03

I don't know whether part of

1:29:05

the energy it comes from

1:29:07

that . I

1:29:10

don't know whether the slightly

1:29:13

unnerving because I would say

1:29:15

that there's an unnerving energy

1:29:17

there which

1:29:20

was different from the

1:29:22

rabbit energy that felt

1:29:24

more wood

1:29:27

spirit to me , woodland spirit

1:29:30

, um , rather than human

1:29:32

. You know , yes , um

1:29:35

, but I would definitely , I would really love

1:29:37

to learn more

1:29:40

about that area and

1:29:42

see if there's something that goes further back

1:29:44

?

1:29:44

yeah , for sure yeah

1:29:46

, and then there's all the witch trials , which

1:29:49

you can google as well and there was

1:29:51

actually one

1:29:54

of the one of the witches

1:29:56

.

1:29:57

I think one of the one

1:29:59

of the witches in the northeast of scotland actually

1:30:02

did come from round about my village

1:30:04

oh well , there you go , I'm

1:30:06

getting chills . Again and

1:30:08

there's also a lot of

1:30:10

legends about um

1:30:13

giants and

1:30:17

stones and there's pictish

1:30:19

archaeological . There's

1:30:21

a big mountain near me

1:30:24

that has a lot of . There's

1:30:31

a big mountain near me that has a lot of um folklore surrounding it , right

1:30:33

um . So , yeah , it would be really interesting to do

1:30:35

a little bit more research on that and see

1:30:37

if there was anything that linked

1:30:39

up and that these are

1:30:41

actually quite

1:30:43

close to um

1:30:45

, the main big old

1:30:48

castle house that right

1:30:51

, yeah okay and I'm getting chills

1:30:54

.

1:30:54

So , yeah , so , but it

1:30:56

could be related to that

1:30:58

history . It could be a whole mixture of things , but

1:31:01

, yes , fascinating

1:31:04

. I'd love to know what you find out I

1:31:06

know I know I'll definitely

1:31:08

keep you posted .

1:31:11

I only got as far as trying to find

1:31:13

to look at . I found some

1:31:15

slightly older maps that were from

1:31:17

sort of the late 1800s

1:31:20

, and that's where I saw that

1:31:22

the the section of land

1:31:24

was just called wilderness wilderness

1:31:27

, yeah wow

1:31:31

oh , it's been wonderful

1:31:34

seems like desolate , doesn't it ?

1:31:39

a wilderness . It sounds a bit

1:31:41

like well

1:31:44

, it sounds ancient as well . Yeah , yeah

1:31:46

like . That is what

1:31:48

local people were just like well , that's the wilderness

1:31:50

over there . Yes , and that would suggest

1:31:53

that that's the edge , an edge place or

1:31:55

in a between place , yeah as

1:31:57

well . Oh well , I

1:32:01

really hope that I get up there

1:32:03

next year and that

1:32:06

would be , so much fun , claire

1:32:08

.

1:32:08

I would love to hang out with you and

1:32:10

go to some spooky places , it'd be

1:32:12

amazing .

1:32:13

Yeah , oh , fantastic . And

1:32:16

another thing that I'm doing , which I'll

1:32:18

just mention , is

1:32:20

on a Sunday night not

1:32:22

every Sundayay night , but several sunday

1:32:24

nights leading up to christmas

1:32:27

I'm doing fairy

1:32:29

chats now , like it's like a fairy

1:32:31

, like a share , like a show and

1:32:33

tell kind of thing , but around

1:32:35

fairies creativity . So

1:32:37

I did one this sunday just gone

1:32:40

it's october now , so

1:32:43

uh where I spoke about my artwork

1:32:45

and then we had a little

1:32:48

q a in a chat , can't

1:32:51

? believe I missed that somehow well

1:32:54

, yeah , I've got some other ones coming up . There's

1:32:56

one the 22nd of october

1:32:59

I don't know when this episode will go out . 22nd

1:33:01

of october , sam meredith's

1:33:04

coming on to do some light language arts

1:33:07

. Then I've got

1:33:09

um , oh

1:33:12

, emma , emma Welsh . That was on

1:33:14

my episode about seeing fairies

1:33:16

on her windowsill . She does fairy arts

1:33:18

well , so she's going to talk about her fairy experiences

1:33:21

and that and her art . And

1:33:23

then on the 19th of november , I've

1:33:25

got jim jim coming

1:33:28

on to talk about her fairy

1:33:30

experiences in her garden crystal

1:33:32

art that she makes . It's just like . So

1:33:34

if you want to do one of those in future , you'd

1:33:36

be most welcome to come . Yeah , I'd love to .

1:33:38

Yeah that sounds like a lot of fun and I'm

1:33:40

gonna have to try and um join

1:33:42

in and and attend some of those

1:33:45

because they sound interesting

1:33:47

well I'll publicize them on my newsletter

1:33:50

and on social media and podcasts

1:33:53

and everything but I just love

1:33:56

this community that we've all

1:33:58

you know this , this little community

1:34:00

that started sprouting up between

1:34:02

I love it .

1:34:03

Yeah , I love it , I love

1:34:05

. You know I spoke , joe

1:34:08

, and I have spoken about this , about this co-creative

1:34:10

energy that

1:34:12

is coming together

1:34:15

. You know we've all got our own things that we do

1:34:17

, but we're all supporting each other in some way

1:34:19

and feeding into this sort of knowledge

1:34:22

stream of knowledge about fairies

1:34:24

or creativity or whatever we're doing

1:34:26

and bring some light

1:34:28

to people's lives along the way

1:34:30

. Hopefully , and some a

1:34:33

bit- of magic a bit of magic bit

1:34:35

of enchantment , so I'd

1:34:37

love you to share what you're

1:34:39

up to , lucy , and where people

1:34:41

can find you .

1:34:42

Um , yeah , yeah

1:34:45

, so , um , at the moment , mostly

1:34:48

what I'm doing is

1:34:51

I teach two online art

1:34:53

classes . So the one I share

1:34:55

with my good friend , karen

1:34:57

Campbell , is called the Celtic Collective

1:35:00

and is we

1:35:02

, because we were so obsessed

1:35:05

with fairies and

1:35:07

folklore and anything

1:35:10

scottish and fantasy

1:35:12

art type stuff , we

1:35:14

decided to do an art class

1:35:16

on it so that we have

1:35:18

the excuse to do , to cover

1:35:20

lots of stuff that we want to do and

1:35:23

share that like , just like you

1:35:25

were just saying , share that excitement

1:35:28

with other people and our

1:35:30

students . Um , so

1:35:32

we and it's like a monthly

1:35:35

, a monthly club , like a monthly

1:35:37

subscription , so our students join and

1:35:40

then every month get usually

1:35:43

at least four lessons , two

1:35:45

from me and two from Karen . We do

1:35:47

a variety of things . So sometimes

1:35:49

we do based on a

1:35:52

specific creature

1:35:54

, or , you know , we

1:35:56

might do unicorns one month , or

1:35:59

things like that . Or we

1:36:01

will do deep dives into artists

1:36:03

where we'll look at other fairy artists

1:36:05

and we'll just think

1:36:07

about how they , um , how

1:36:10

they produce some of their artwork

1:36:13

. So if it's a current , if

1:36:16

it's a current artist , we usually

1:36:18

get permission from them

1:36:20

to look

1:36:22

at their artwork or

1:36:24

one of our work . We're going to look at kevin

1:36:27

keel in november and I don't know

1:36:29

if you've checked out his artwork , but

1:36:31

it's amazing he does all these black

1:36:34

and white . Kevin keel no

1:36:36

yeah , he's on instagram

1:36:38

and karen reached out and asked

1:36:40

him if we could check out his art with

1:36:42

our students . So we do different

1:36:44

kinds of lessons like that and

1:36:49

I also have my own class

1:36:51

um , which is called the art

1:36:53

lab association , which is um

1:36:56

watercolor and gouache

1:36:58

, and I do a mixture of different

1:37:01

. It's not fairy art as such

1:37:03

, although there's a little bit of crossover because

1:37:05

I can't help myself but um

1:37:07

, that's

1:37:09

again a monthly club , so that's

1:37:11

what I mostly do . We do have a podcast

1:37:13

, karen and I , but we are really rubbish

1:37:16

because we've

1:37:18

only recorded one in like the

1:37:20

last eight months . We're

1:37:23

just so busy that we just

1:37:26

get around to doing it and

1:37:28

it's kind of . We were really good

1:37:30

for the first year

1:37:32

and a half . We were recording like

1:37:34

fortnightly or weekly

1:37:37

, and then we just got busy and

1:37:39

they kind of got fewer and further

1:37:41

. But , yeah , keep saying we must revive

1:37:44

it soon , we must get it started

1:37:46

again because

1:37:49

it is so much fun doing yeah

1:37:52

, so that's

1:37:54

that's me for the most part

1:37:56

. My website is just lucybridenartcom

1:37:59

and

1:38:01

that's I mean . If you type in that

1:38:03

, you can find me on all the different kind

1:38:05

of social medias

1:38:08

. But you know

1:38:10

what it's like , claire , there's just

1:38:12

hours in the day to do everything that you want to

1:38:14

do .

1:38:15

I often wish I had clones so

1:38:17

that one

1:38:19

of them could finish writing my book

1:38:22

or you know books I want to write . The other

1:38:24

one could do the arts . The other one could do the podcast , yeah , and the other one could do the

1:38:26

arts .

1:38:26

The other one could do the podcast , yeah

1:38:28

and the other one could run the home and

1:38:30

you know , like , like

1:38:33

rich people and assistants , somebody to

1:38:35

do my cooking and cleaning and make all my

1:38:37

meals so that I just on

1:38:39

painting and not have to stop and

1:38:41

do stuff like that .

1:38:42

That's what that's what I do . If

1:38:44

I like won the lottery

1:38:47

, that's what I do . I'd have like people

1:38:50

you know sort of helping

1:38:52

me do all this sort of social media stuff

1:38:54

and all of that , so I could just focus on the creating

1:38:57

. I know me too

1:38:59

, yeah yeah

1:39:01

, cleaner for the home , someone that does

1:39:03

my laundry , all

1:39:06

of those kinds of things would it be lovely , be

1:39:09

heaven . I

1:39:12

think I'm treating myself like I . I've

1:39:15

decided this winter that

1:39:18

I'm going . It's really boring , I know

1:39:20

, but it's really practical I'm

1:39:22

. I don't want washing hanging

1:39:24

around on radiators this winter because I don't

1:39:27

. I don't have a tumble dryer

1:39:29

, so I'm washing my washing and

1:39:31

then I'm taking it all to the laundrette

1:39:33

to dry it oh , that sounds like a

1:39:35

great it's done

1:39:37

, isn't it ? so that's my

1:39:40

one of my little treats

1:39:42

to . I know it doesn't sound like much

1:39:44

, but it's it . Oh , it's

1:39:47

just quite heavenly . Just sticking it all

1:39:49

in , get it dried , bring it home . You've got dry

1:39:51

washing , just put away anyway

1:39:56

. Lovely speech here that's going off on

1:39:58

a tangent any

1:40:02

mundane stuff lovely

1:40:05

speaking to you it's been lovely

1:40:08

speaking to you too meeting

1:40:10

with you and yeah

1:40:13

, and keep in touch and I'll let you know when

1:40:15

this episode's going out . Yeah

1:40:17

, definitely .

1:40:19

You are more than welcome to come

1:40:21

up here to scotland and I'd love

1:40:23

to pour some spooky wigs together wow , that'd be amazing . That is a

1:40:25

. And I'd love to pour some spooky woods together wow , that'd be amazing . That

1:40:28

is a plan . I'd love to see what you did with . You

1:40:30

know your photographs that you take . You

1:40:34

were you . Do you mirror them or

1:40:36

something ? I mirror them . Yes , so

1:40:38

interested to see what what

1:40:40

photographs of that woods

1:40:43

looked like through that process

1:40:45

yes , I love that process

1:40:47

.

1:40:47

Yeah , I'm gonna do a little workshop on that

1:40:49

, yeah , because

1:40:51

I I love using that , but

1:40:53

taking people out into nature and getting

1:40:55

them to do it for themselves , yeah , yeah

1:40:58

, that'd be great . Okay

1:41:02

, have a wonderful rest of your day

1:41:04

. Yes , you too . I'm going to

1:41:06

get out now with

1:41:08

my daughter . Yeah . Yeah

1:41:11

, have a wonderful thanks

1:41:13

for your time . Oh , you're welcome

1:41:15

. Yeah , okay , bye

1:41:19

. Bye , lucy , welcome

1:41:23

back . Thank you to my guest guest , lucy

1:41:25

, for sharing her experiences

1:41:27

. I enjoy talking

1:41:29

with other artists on the show and

1:41:31

I want to go and explore that castle

1:41:33

and the woods that watch with her . That'd

1:41:35

be so cool and perhaps

1:41:38

to record it for a podcast

1:41:40

episode . Check out

1:41:42

Lucy's website and social

1:41:44

media , which are included in the episode

1:41:46

description and show notes on

1:41:48

the podcast blog at fairywhisperercouk

1:41:51

. It's

1:41:55

great when I'm talking with guests and

1:41:57

they suddenly have an epiphany about

1:41:59

their experience , like

1:42:01

when Lucy realised that the woman in

1:42:03

white she had seen could

1:42:05

have been the woman in the painting . Perhaps

1:42:08

the creative spirit of the class

1:42:10

awakened the spirit of the

1:42:13

lady in the portrait . In episode

1:42:15

40 , we also pondered the intersection

1:42:17

of art and the ethereal when

1:42:20

I spoke with my guest Lauren

1:42:22

about his family story of

1:42:24

a painting that was haunted by

1:42:26

fairies . Perhaps the

1:42:28

class's collective creative expression

1:42:31

opened a doorway into the other world

1:42:33

and enticed the fae in . Thank

1:42:36

you so much for listening . My name

1:42:38

is Claire Sylvan Wand and

1:42:41

this has been the Fairy Whispering Podcast

1:42:43

. I researched , produced and

1:42:45

hosted the podcast myself . The theme

1:42:48

song is Oxygen by

1:42:50

Third Girl from the Left . This

1:42:53

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1:43:00

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1:43:02

, if you or someone you know has

1:43:04

had a fairy encounter or another

1:43:06

supernatural experience , please

1:43:08

send me your story to claire

1:43:10

at fairywhisperercouk

1:43:13

. And

1:43:15

that's fairy spelt F-A-E-R-Y

1:43:19

. Goodbye for now

1:43:21

. See you next time . Remember

1:43:24

to keep your heart open and let

1:43:26

the wisdom of the fae and nature

1:43:29

guide you .