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Hello everybody , welcome to

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the Fairy Whispering podcast . I'm

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your host , Claire Sylvan-Wand long-time

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As

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listeners might know , sometimes I like

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to come to a favourite place

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in nature and record these intros

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and outros for the podcast , and

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today I've come to some

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lakes on Dartmoor

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that are one of my favourite places

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to walk usually and I'd

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hoped to record this outside , but

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it's really high winds today

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, so I'm

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sat overlooking

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Trenchford and Totterford

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Lakes and

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watching the branches bob

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up and down with the wind and

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the last winter leaves from autumn

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last year . They're just trembling

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in the breeze . Here

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in the northern hemisphere we are fast approaching

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the spring equinox and

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the evenings are increasingly longer and

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the spring flowers are showing it's

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a time of hope and rebirth

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and potency . As we

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turn towards the sun , the

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wild places become more enticing

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to explore , dreaming and

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renew our spirits . A

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welcome embrace can be found in the

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sheltered lee of the hill , resting

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against the veteran oak , or

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sitting on a sunny park bench beside

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flowerbed . Whatever

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storms are rocking the world or

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that we are weathering , I hope

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you can find small moments of grace in

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your day to day life that support

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and strengthen your journey , and

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I hope to that this podcast can

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be part of some of those moments

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. I

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have some great guests coming up

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with some fascinating encounters

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, including a white lady , a

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rabbit that was not a rabbit

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, and moss people . I

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am thrilled that the podcast is gaining

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new followers . Please

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share with friends if you enjoy this one

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like and review , as

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it all helps the show to grow . Also

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, I have uploaded video versions of

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episodes onto my Fairy

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Whisperer YouTube channel

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. Now onto the episode

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. Step through the veil with

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my guest , Loren Hughes , a

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seasoned explorer of the arcane

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, as we delve into the mysterious

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and mysterious world of lost landscapes , ancient

2:37

mythology and the art

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of traversing the otherworldly

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. I heard Lauren

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speaking with Jo Hickey Hall on

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her Modern Fairy Sightings podcast

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and I was intrigued to hear more of his encounters

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. Loren shares his profound

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insights on the multi-layered

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existence beyond our physical

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realm , inviting us on

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a journey through psychic realms and the

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soul's capacity to connect

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with higher beings . We

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unfurl the mysteries of lucid dreaming

3:09

and the revelations they hold

3:11

, as Lauren recounts experiences

3:14

that blur the lines between our world and

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the ethereal plane . He

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shares a haunting family tale for fairy

3:21

painting that came to life , stirring

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both wonder and trepidation , I

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realise , listening back , as I did a lot

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of chatting in this episode I

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tried to contain myself and listen to

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my guests . However , I was enthused

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by Loren's experiences . I hope

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that my sharing adds to

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the episode and doesn't take

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away from your enjoyment . This

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episode offers a glimpse into

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the enchanting and sometimes eerie

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interactions with the otherworld . Therefore

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, if you are sensitive to creepy content

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, caution is advised when listening

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. These episodes are not suitable

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for young children . Remember

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. This is episode 40

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, into the Fairy Frame

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. Enjoy , and I will come

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back to you at the end with some final

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thoughts . The

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Fairy Whispering podcast explores

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guests encounters

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with the otherworld of fairy and

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ways of connecting with this realm

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, from listening to messages

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in owls , hoots , finding

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a four leaf clover , chasing

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rainbows or inviting a

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gnome to dinner . I'm

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Claire Sylvan Wand , a

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fairy whisperer researcher

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and your guide on this journey

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. Take my hand

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and step into the Twilight

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Woodland where they

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are waiting to meet you . Welcome

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, lauren , to the Fairy's room .

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Take the first thing out of your mind's eye and

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just spill it , and we'll go from there

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.

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Shall we start with travelling

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in other realms ? Yes , that

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kind of links into other things , but I

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was hoping to talk about I mentioned

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in the

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interview . I heard you with Joe

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talking about travelling in the otherworld

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. This is something

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I resonate with

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and we were talking about before

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we started recording . Could

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you talk about any of those journeys

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and your experiences going

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into the otherworld ?

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No problem , I'm just going to put a bit

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of a foundation down with that for people

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who aren't familiar with this . There's

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far more to a human being than

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just the physical aspects of ourselves . If

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we were just our physical aspects , we'd just be a

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handful of chemicals and a bucket of water and that would

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be it . But we're clearly not People

6:39

that are interested in the

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satiric , in higher forms

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of magic , witchcraft , shamanism

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, even druidry . The

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first thing that they're acknowledging is that there's

6:52

more to the human spirit than just

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the physical , that we actually have a spirit

6:56

that lives inside us . That

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spirit some people believe reincarnates

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, other people struggle with that . Personally

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, I believe in reincarnation . I

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think that makes perfect sense , that we reincarnate

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from time to time . Just

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to lay a little bit of foundation from a very

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general mystery school aspect

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, also

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taking some references from druidry

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, a modern druidry , a

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human being acknowledged as basically being

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triadic

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in nature . We've got the physical , we've

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got the psychic aspect and we've got what we call the

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spiritual aspect or the soul in us . The

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psychic aspect is probably the most

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interesting because the psychic

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part of ourselves , our psychic body and

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our psychic mind and our psychic energies

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, is the medium that's able

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to travel between the purely physical and

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the higher realms that you might call the spiritual

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, the sacred or just the higher

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worlds . If

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I say plastic in nature , I mean that with

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a small P , in that it's fluid

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, it's moldable in terms of its energies

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, the psychic self . You can tune in to

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a higher . With it you can tune

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in to lower . It's your

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personal ability to this allows

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you to travel between the worlds

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. One other thing that the Celts and

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the Druids seem to have a really

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good understanding of , as

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do Shaman and other mystery

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traditions , is that it's possible

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for you to consciously and knowingly , with

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some training , to be able to

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send your mind , your consciousness , into

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this other world , to contact other

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higher beings , other spiritual beings , to

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see what's going on there . To

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a certain extent , this is the basis in

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contemporary culture and remote viewing

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, and it's

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possible to access these other worlds . If

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you're doing any sort of serious , balanced

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psychic training , through whatever system

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you study , or whether

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you're following your intuition , you will eventually realize

9:07

, just by allowing yourself

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to be open to that possibility and

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just paying attention to

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the impressions that come to your mind , the natural

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fact you're developing ESP

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. You're picking up things not that are going to happen

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in different points in time , different

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physical points on the earth and also

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the other realms

9:27

. I've done a lot of work with that

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, like a lot of people have , and from

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time to time , I'm sure , like a good self , you

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will have those moments of lucidity

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, and sometimes

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you can consciously realize that you

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can sit down and be just tuned

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in and have a conscious realization

9:45

of something the psychic

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part of yourself is picking up Also

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, the most common way to

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remember , though , or experience

9:56

those impressions that your psychic stuff was picked

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up is through your dreams . So

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we get into lucid dreaming . Lucid dream

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is a form of dreaming true . Most

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dreams that we have just have the life and consciousness

10:09

of our outer mind . It has the life

10:11

and consciousness of a dream , but

10:13

when you begin to experience lucid dreaming

10:15

, you suddenly become aware of there is

10:17

a difference between the two . Yeah

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, so you will frequently find that people will

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say I was having this dream and suddenly

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I woke up in the dream , knew that I was asleep and

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dreaming , but I was still in a dream . Then , all

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of a sudden , like , the regular dream ended and

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I had this feeling that it's like a lucid dream

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and I was in another place , talking to these

10:36

people seeing these things happening , but

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they knew it was a lucid dream . So

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they come back , wake up , recollect it and

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then , lo and behold , at some point in the future

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they have the experience of what they dreamt

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about .

10:48

Oh right , yes , yeah .

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So they discovered the lucid dream . The magical

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dream was more of a dreaming true than

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just that . You were dreaming about something that was just processing

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through your mind , if that makes sense .

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Yes , I understand this because I've

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experienced this myself .

11:04

So yes , I thought you had .

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That kind of especially

11:11

in the lead up to 2020

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, there was events . I had

11:16

some very vivid

11:18

lucid dreams .

11:19

Right .

11:21

Sometimes on the same day I

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think that makes sense , yeah . Experience

11:27

. I'd experienced some

11:29

aspects of it , so I

11:32

get that .

11:34

The other thing you'll notice with the way you're

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I call it , I

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put it all under the term consciousness . Yeah

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, so , we are consciousness

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in a body , so our consciousness

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has layers . If you like , it's

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got a spectrum . Yeah , One

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thing I've noticed . I don't know if

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you have , it can be quite interesting

11:55

. There are times when you seem

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to be able to be more lucid or

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have more lucid dream experiences

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than others . And

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one of the times that keeps coming

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up for people and this is other

12:08

people will write about this . Other people have

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recorded this and work with it For

12:13

some reason , wherever you are in the world

12:15

, when it's the equivalent of between 2am

12:18

and 4am , it's

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kind of like a window time and

12:23

you'll find that people will have lucid

12:25

dreams more often in that time

12:27

, while they'll wake up and realize

12:29

they feel like there's a presence in the house or

12:31

they get out of bed and they

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might see like a ghost

12:36

or have a fairy experience

12:38

or see a UFO or think

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there's a UFO or something like that . It's

12:43

kind of that time frame sort of

12:45

enhances that aspect of our

12:47

self , whether it's some people say it's because the

12:49

electromagnetism on the earth we're on the

12:51

furthest side of the earth from the sun , so

12:53

it kind of changes the vibrations

12:56

. Some people say it's because the majority

12:58

of people around you are asleep , so

13:00

therefore all the psychic

13:02

noise that we generate as we're awake and consciousness

13:05

kind of lessened . I

13:07

don't know . That's down to individuals

13:09

sort of find out for themselves , I guess , experiment

13:11

with . So you don't take anything I say

13:14

as absolute

13:16

truth . I always say question everything , question

13:19

anything that I say to people . All I could do

13:21

is give you some interesting starting points

13:23

to start your own journey with and

13:25

find out for yourself .

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Another aspect of that is what's

13:30

going on in the

13:32

body as well . That's

13:35

right , the monal stuff

13:38

that's going on and the pineal glands

13:41

, that's right .

13:42

Yeah .

13:42

It was more activated at that time

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as well , did you , if

13:47

I could ?

13:47

ask you some questions but I think people might find

13:49

helpful . When you have your lucid

13:52

dreams , do you find that they're

13:54

sort of like ESP . Do you dream of future

13:56

events or do you sometimes you just get helpful

13:58

, useful information in

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a dream that you think , well , actually there's

14:02

something I can take away from that and it helps me

14:04

doing something .

14:06

It's a combination . Sometimes it's

14:09

useful information . So

14:12

my encounter being that

14:15

is me a , you

14:17

know a very brief message .

14:19

Yes .

14:21

So help me to think in a different way .

14:24

Yes .

14:25

It will be something

14:27

that's in the other world , that's also

14:29

linking to this world

14:32

.

14:32

Yes , that makes sense , yes .

14:34

Real places in this world that

14:37

I'm seeing in the other world , the equivalent

14:39

in the other world .

14:40

Yes , as above , so below .

14:44

Yeah . So I just

14:46

think some people listening that haven't

14:48

experienced this , they might want an example

14:50

. A

14:53

very brief example I can give is

14:55

and I've spoken about this before

14:57

where this

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was August 2019

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, I think Right and

15:09

night before I dreamt of

15:11

, or in the early hours of the morning , I had a lucid

15:13

dream . Right , I'd gone

15:16

to a oak tree with

15:18

my fairy guide and there's a little bit

15:20

of a dream , right , a little bit of a lucid dream

15:22

she took me through . This

15:26

is a very brief synopsis .

15:28

That's alright , that's fine .

15:32

She activated my forehead

15:34

and said oh , he's got several shacks

15:36

and he's lit them up . And

15:39

then all the beings , the fairy

15:41

beings that were there , all had this symbol

15:44

on their forehead .

15:45

Right .

15:46

Like a room , a room .

15:48

Yes .

15:49

A house which is represented as the dawn

15:52

and awakening .

15:53

I know about the room .

15:54

yes , In the beginnings .

15:56

Yes .

15:58

I didn't know it was a room at the time and subsequently

16:01

shared it with someone and they

16:03

said oh , that's what it is .

16:05

Yes .

16:06

So the next morning I got

16:09

up was making coffee

16:11

in the kitchen . My son came downstairs

16:14

.

16:14

Mm-hmm .

16:17

He's very sensitive , but

16:20

anyway , he came down and I said oh , ethan

16:22

, what's that on your forehead

16:24

? Yes , he had this

16:26

symbol imprinted

16:28

on his forehead .

16:31

I can't believe for that .

16:34

It would be , I don't know , just like

16:36

an impression . Yes , that's

16:39

what he slipped and it was immediately

16:42

faded . Yeah , and

16:45

then both my kids said they wanted to go to this

16:47

specific park that day . Right

16:49

, so they could go to this forehead , right

16:51

. And

16:54

we went to the park and

16:56

first thing I saw walking into this park

16:58

, the bottom of this tree , was a doorway

17:00

, like a natural doorway .

17:02

Oh , wow .

17:03

In the bottom of this door , of

17:05

this oak tree .

17:07

Yes .

17:08

So that's just an example of

17:10

you know for anyone listening

17:12

what this can happen Once

17:16

you get into this . And

17:18

that happens because I was

17:21

going through a period of intensive

17:23

psychic development . I

17:28

was focusing on developing my clever ways

17:30

.

17:31

Yes , that makes sense yes .

17:34

And that led to these experiences

17:36

. So , yeah , it's something you have to well

17:38

, you have to work on , I think

17:40

.

17:41

I just have a couple of interesting footnotes

17:44

to what you just said . You

17:46

said that about the rune was to like sunrise

17:48

awakening there on the third eye

17:51

. Yeah . Yeah . In

17:53

the great pyramid of

17:55

Kufu in Egypt . Yes , one

17:58

of the history schools regarded as

18:00

it was a temple of initiation

18:02

. Basically , yes , Thank

18:04

you the idea being that it

18:07

was never built . That particular

18:09

great pyramid was never built as a tomb . It

18:11

was actually , I think , a symbolic hall of initiation

18:13

. It was a place that gathered energies

18:16

and helped you initiate

18:18

, unfold . That was in a mystery school

18:20

, yeah . So there's

18:22

part of their spiritual unfoldment . And

18:24

when you go into the great pyramid , you

18:27

go into the entrance , you go down

18:29

and then you start this long climb

18:32

up in this huge gallery

18:34

called the Grand Gallery , where it's a

18:36

vaulted ceiling and it opens up and

18:38

it's really high and eventually you get

18:40

to the top step and

18:42

then you're in front of the King's Chamber , which

18:45

has a sarcophagus in it . It's

18:47

important and you have to go into that

18:49

King's Chamber . You then have to crawl

18:51

on all fours , go into this

18:53

narrow space and you go under three

18:55

giant granite leaves

18:58

and when you

19:00

stand in front of the last granite

19:02

leaf , if you stand up , there's

19:05

the Egyptian hieroglyph or symbol

19:07

there for sunrise , and it's

19:09

at the exact place of the average

19:11

height of a man and woman for where the

19:14

third eye is . Oh , I

19:17

thought that was really interesting , that you were seeing

19:19

a rune for the third eye

19:22

, sunrise .

19:23

Wow , oh my gosh , this just

19:25

gets . Do you know the more

19:28

people I speak about this ? The more

19:30

information comes through

19:32

. That is amazing . I

19:34

have a great pyramid . It's

19:39

before my children were born .

19:41

Right .

19:43

In 2000, . It was early

19:45

2006 . Wow , in 2006

19:47

. They

19:50

were born in the yes September

19:53

. So

19:57

I've been , it's to me , I was carrying

19:59

them . Oh wow , I was

20:01

in Egypt .

20:02

I was .

20:03

So we've been to the great pyramid .

20:05

That is brilliant , that is absolutely amazing

20:07

.

20:08

Yeah , it's amazing . Oh

20:10

my gosh , I'm

20:12

just a bit blown away by what you just told me

20:14

.

20:14

I'm going the part of the ministry

20:17

school thing was when you initiate

20:19

and you were taken to the

20:21

King's Chamber

20:23

. You were then left in the sarcophagus

20:26

overnight for like a sort of symbolic

20:28

death of the ego . Yeah

20:30

, the vibrations at this place

20:33

creates a lot higher vibrations

20:35

that you tune the

20:37

physical glands in the body

20:39

, the psychic centers , allowing you to experience

20:42

that sense of illumination .

20:44

Yeah , wow , gosh

20:46

, I didn't know that aspect . Thanks

20:50

for sharing , because you know various characters in

20:52

history that would have spent

20:54

the night there .

20:56

Even Napoleon managed to spend

20:58

the night there in the great pyramid . He

21:04

was very esoteric orientated

21:06

and certainly picked up on the energies there

21:08

. Wow .

22:01

So I mean this experience I

22:03

had was a part of an

22:05

initiative .

22:06

Yes , exactly yes .

22:08

Yes , everything , the

22:10

stories of meditation , meditation

22:13

journey . So I was going the

22:15

unmoved . Yes , was

22:17

like an initiative to re-experience

22:19

us . Yeah , yes . And

22:22

again , I spoke to

22:24

Jeremy Garner recently who

22:26

went to mine that told

22:28

me about the map , the fairy map , and

22:32

we spoke because he

22:34

heard might be talking about

22:36

this rune on Joe's podcast

22:39

. Okay , yes . And

22:42

he said oh my

22:44

gosh , claire , did you realize that one

22:46

of my album covers has that

22:48

rune on it ?

22:50

Wow .

22:52

And he said it's like that

22:54

rune is a gateway into the fairy realm

22:56

.

22:56

Yes .

22:58

So I said no , I didn't

23:00

realize that you know , and now

23:02

you just add another layer to

23:05

this as well , but yeah

23:07

, he's . He

23:09

said oh , he was explaining the four different directions

23:12

and how this rune

23:14

. This rune shows up

23:16

on one of the tarot

23:19

cards . I think it's the wheel

23:21

of faint , it's

23:24

on .

23:24

Yes . Yes , it does . Yes

23:27

, On the deck , you've got

23:29

it . Yes , yeah .

23:32

So I'd love to

23:34

hear any of your

23:37

experiences of crossing

23:39

one to the other world .

23:41

Well , I've got a story

23:43

that I like to tell people . It

23:45

was experimented with astral projection

23:47

. Yeah . Which

23:49

is a long , slow process . So

23:52

, part of astral projection is sometimes

23:54

that you're you're

23:57

tuning up to the different layers of the psychic

23:59

realms . You know the higher up the vibrations

24:01

you go or

24:04

interesting things that

24:06

you see , or sort of you , you're making contact

24:08

with these other worlds . It's something that I

24:10

believe from some of the vague

24:12

references that we've seen in surviving

24:15

Druid writings and some

24:17

of the things that the Romans said about the

24:19

Druids , they understood doing that

24:21

themselves . It's sort of like a primal tradition

24:23

. So that would make

24:25

sense as shame . And do it . Other cultures

24:27

do it . You know they have these experiences

24:30

one way or another . They

24:32

record it . But all the , if you read all these different

24:34

accounts that they're all pointing towards the same

24:37

thing . So you sort

24:39

of see the , although

24:41

written through different cultural filters , they're actually describing

24:44

the same things . About what these

24:46

journeys in consciousness ? Yeah , and

24:49

some of the first things

24:51

that stood out to me was I

24:56

was having a lucid dream . I woke up

24:59

in a dream you always dream and you could feel

25:01

that the dream ended and it's very lucid

25:03

dream where there was an astral projection or not . I

25:05

didn't know at the time that there was this sensation

25:07

of coming out of the body and you could

25:09

sort of see the body on the bed and you're like , okay , maybe this

25:12

is dream , maybe this is a bit real

25:14

and I like to imagine whatever . And

25:16

you came out , the body went outside and I've always

25:18

loved the stars , growing

25:21

up with the stars , always find the stars and amazing

25:23

place to be underneath

25:25

the stars , looking at the stars

25:28

. They were quite magical and

25:30

I found myself outside looking at the stars

25:32

and the constellation of Orion

25:35

was rising . So I was looking

25:37

at Orion and in one particular

25:39

round , one of the particular

25:41

stars in Orion . The

25:43

colors are very intense . But if

25:46

you're sort of lucid dreaming

25:48

, if you're seeing psychic colors , the

25:50

colors are very intense . They're often blues

25:52

and shades of colors that you don't normally see

25:55

with the physical eyes . Yeah

25:57

. And looking at this one particular

25:59

star area in Orion , there

26:01

was this big arc of

26:03

deep red light around

26:06

it and it quite fascinated me . I

26:08

thought that's not there . I've

26:10

never seen that on a map or what . I

26:12

know the stars like the star atlas

26:14

really well . I know the stars by

26:16

sight . And I thought that's strange

26:18

and it will watch this for quite a while

26:21

. The next thing I know , obviously I've woken

26:23

up and I made some notes

26:25

about this and I went to

26:27

every star atlas and a strongly

26:29

book . I could find Nothing about this big

26:32

arc of deep red around

26:34

this star . And then about

26:37

five years later it

26:39

came out in the astronomy magazine that

26:41

the new infrared telescope

26:44

had discovered exactly

26:46

where it . Where I saw it was

26:49

this big infrared light infrared

26:51

light nebula around the star . So

26:54

from that experience I was able to see something

26:56

that was really there . That I

26:58

couldn't see , and

27:01

I was like oh yeah , but you must have read it somewhere , you

27:04

must have seen it somewhere and forgot about it , and

27:06

it was your mind tricking you . Well

27:09

, nobody knew that existed no .

27:11

So , this knowledge . It's going into

27:13

that timeless place , isn't it ? Yes ?

27:15

that's it , yes .

27:18

You're accessing all times at once

27:20

.

27:20

Yes .

27:22

It just doesn't exist , so

27:24

yeah , so

27:27

wow , and

27:29

how far ahead in time

27:31

did you ?

27:32

About five years before it came out . Yeah

27:35

.

27:37

And these experiences in our time

27:40

. It's like fairy times . Well

27:42

, I've

27:45

spoken to other people about this . They

27:47

only make sense in our

27:49

time over over these years

27:52

. Yes , yes , yes . You

27:54

look back and you say I don't really

27:56

know what that was about . And a couple of

27:58

years later you'll speak to someone .

28:01

Yes .

28:02

Something you'll say .

28:02

Yes .

28:04

You'll be like , oh my gosh , that's what that was

28:06

about , but it's kind

28:09

of drip fed to us .

28:10

Yes .

28:12

Or maybe it's just because our time yes

28:14

, that's right . Yeah

28:17

, yeah

28:20

. I was just wondering what your understanding

28:22

of that was . This kind of do

28:25

you think that we are

28:28

given this information slowly

28:30

? Yes , they

28:33

don't want . You know . They , whoever they are

28:35

, don't want to get to us all at once

28:37

. Or it just says for all this different

28:39

time line

28:42

.

28:45

I would say in all honesty it's a combination

28:47

of both .

28:48

Right .

28:49

Because the in any other

28:51

dimension it's as if , basically

28:55

on the psychic realm , time doesn't exist

28:57

in the way we experience it here . What

29:00

we're actually experiencing here is like

29:03

a duration of consciousness . It's

29:05

how long our consciousness thinks

29:08

. It takes time to perceive things . And

29:11

I do think that sometimes there's our

29:15

own deeper aspects of our own consciousness

29:17

. I think even Jung

29:20

got towards this . It's almost like a

29:22

self-regulating system . It

29:24

won't let the conscious mind

29:26

be overwhelmed with too

29:28

much information . On

29:32

that plane of existence , information

29:34

is more immediate and it's more interconnected

29:36

. So it understands

29:39

that if we are processing that , we're processing

29:41

it to the analytical part of the brain as

29:43

opposed to the intuitive part of the brain .

29:45

Yes .

29:46

It slows it down , so we can analytically

29:49

deal with it .

29:52

Yeah , and also I

29:54

mean because we're all living these human

29:57

lives .

29:58

Yes , yes .

29:59

One of us are living like sages or

30:01

monks or nuns of

30:03

old .

30:04

Yes , exactly .

30:07

I mean , I've just , I've had

30:09

yeah , honestly

30:12

, I've had a week or

30:14

so to myself by my

30:16

children and dads and

30:19

in that time I thought , great , I'm just going to have some

30:21

time to myself and you end up catching up on

30:23

other things .

30:24

Yes .

30:25

It's very difficult to get this kind of

30:27

sage-like existence

30:30

where you just completely

30:32

kind of go to

30:34

experience these things all the time , isn't

30:37

?

30:37

it so .

30:38

I mean , I mean , do you find

30:40

this , that your experiences

30:43

of these worlds come and go ?

30:45

Yes , the intensity . Oh

30:47

yeah , absolutely , absolutely

30:49

yes , yeah . Yeah

30:52

, absolutely it's got an ebb and a flow . There's

30:55

more porous aspects to your life , when

30:57

you're interesting to be

30:59

able to see this other world . It

31:02

helps in the druids called it . So

31:05

yeah , it does . It comes and goes . It's got ebb and flow

31:07

. Sometimes you'll be able to go through really lucid

31:09

couple of years with things and suddenly there'll be

31:11

nothing for years and years and years

31:14

and it's almost like , when it comes back , it's come up

31:16

on a spiral . It's come up on the next , slightly

31:18

higher level .

31:20

Do you find that disconcerting ? Because I

31:22

find that disconcerting at times when nothing's

31:25

happening and I think , oh , I've not heard any

31:28

sort of otherworldly

31:31

experiences from a while .

31:33

It is . It is yes , I mean , I probably

31:36

don't now because

31:38

, I'm a lot older and got used to it . Yeah

31:41

, Initially yes , I think

31:43

it's it can

31:45

be disconcerting . I think everybody

31:47

, at various points , will find it disconcerting

31:50

.

31:52

Yeah , thank you . That's reassuring .

31:55

Yeah , there's nothing wrong with you . There's nothing

31:58

gone wrong . You know there's

32:02

not a part broke off the great cosmic

32:04

, all somewhere . You haven't broken anything . You're

32:06

fine , everything's alright . That's

32:08

good

32:10

.

32:10

I'm sure other people will find that reassuring

32:12

as well .

32:13

Yeah , they do . Everybody thinks like I think what have

32:15

I done wrong ? Have I broken something

32:18

? What's that ? Is there something wrong with me

32:20

? What's happened ? Yeah .

32:22

I'm sure not anyone in human history

32:24

would think , oh gosh

32:26

. On the other side of that there's

32:29

perhaps people

32:32

that aren't having these experiences

32:34

yet . Yes , Just

32:37

dipping their toes into them . Yes

32:39

, Just dipping their toes in .

32:41

Yes .

32:42

It's from my

32:44

experience , and that's

32:46

to hear your experience of this as well

32:48

. It's . I don't think

32:51

there's any sort of . I mean

32:53

, I've done loads of courses , I've read lots of books

32:55

. I think it's a lot of it . It's about being

32:58

receptive .

32:59

Yes .

33:00

To and having that intention

33:02

, isn't it ? I look at that intention

33:04

that you want to engage with these people ?

33:06

Yes , yes , I mean

33:08

it will come in time . But

33:10

part of the obviously the way we

33:12

have to package information , the way

33:14

we put information together , and

33:16

it's the age old

33:18

difference between the right brain and the left brain

33:21

. You know , one side is analytical

33:23

and kind of expects everything now

33:25

and expects it all in like

33:27

a sequence . Like the analytical

33:30

part of the brain , what if I press a button ? Shouldn't

33:32

this be happening ? Whereas the intuitive side

33:34

of the brain is more connected to everything

33:36

. It has a sense of unity . It's kind

33:39

of perceived space and time completely

33:41

differently and it's like no man , just

33:43

chill out , just go with the flow . And the other side of

33:45

the flow what are you ? talking about Heavy

33:48

You're like a wall going

33:50

on between the two . Yeah

33:56

. Because what the analytical part of the brain

33:58

does when it finds gaps in

34:00

its information , it can't help itself

34:02

. It's almost like a pathological liar . It has

34:04

to invent things to fill those gaps with the

34:09

connected , the sort of the cosmic side of your brain is like what

34:11

are you doing that for man ? Just relax . It's

34:13

a flow , shut up . Yeah

34:20

, that's a really good illustration of

34:22

what goes on in my head back

34:24

to the room , in my head

34:26

, just as though .

34:31

Oh , I , have you got

34:33

anything else to say about the world we

34:35

travel in ?

34:43

There's always lots to say and I've always got

34:46

to say I say we'll draw that

34:48

one to a close now . Give

34:50

people a chance to sort of think about that and digest

34:52

that we can always do another part

34:54

of that . Yes , yeah

34:57

.

34:58

Yeah . So the other thing talking

35:00

about stepping into other worlds or other

35:02

worlds stepping into miles Now

35:05

I'm an artist . I know I've

35:07

seen some of your art . I know you're a very , very

35:09

good artist . I've seen some of your lovely

35:11

drawings online and

35:15

there's something you mentioned

35:18

in your chapter

35:20

, joe , about a fairy painting

35:22

. Would

35:24

you mind sharing that ? No problem

35:26

, yeah , no problem I

35:28

just find it fascinating with

35:31

the aspect we've just been talking about

35:33

, you know , interacting with other worlds

35:35

, but this is

35:37

an example of another

35:40

world that's been working with us

35:42

.

35:43

Absolutely .

35:44

Yeah , so

35:46

anyway , I'll let you tell the story

35:48

.

35:50

First off , my

35:52

mother had me quite late in life . All

35:55

right . So she was nearly

35:59

40 . And I'm

36:01

being in my 60s . That

36:03

then places my mother as a little girl

36:05

in the 1920s , so

36:07

we're going back quite a long period of time . Yeah

36:10

, and she

36:12

was an only child and

36:15

her mother and father lived in

36:17

London and they moved

36:19

to this somewhat of a dark

36:21

but all right terri's house .

36:23

And they were trying to brighten it up .

36:24

And my mother was a little girl and she had

36:27

a room that she she slept

36:29

in with her cot and

36:31

some toys in it , and then

36:33

at night time they'd have like a little

36:35

oil lamp to light the room Because

36:38

, again , this was the 1920s , people

36:40

didn't always use loads of electricity

36:42

, so or if they

36:45

didn't always have that habit , literally

36:47

. So she'd have like a little

36:49

lamp in her room and she was

36:51

probably about

36:54

two and a half , I'm guessing this is . This

36:56

is the stories that my family has told

36:58

me , right ? I can't verify

37:00

this , I don't know how true this is , but

37:02

their reactions over the years

37:04

, seeing

37:07

to me and the stories , were consistent . From

37:09

whoever you spoke to about it , to

37:12

me it came across

37:14

as authentic . Something did happen and this is probably what happened

37:16

. I'm pretty

37:19

convinced it's

37:21

100% what happened , because I've got the story from a mum

37:23

and various other family members , some

37:26

of which will even later in life , were still disturbed by

37:28

it . So you see that they were really so

37:32

from my point of view , I'm

37:35

just relating what is the story in the

37:37

family and as far as I know and

37:39

I'm convinced that it was true anyway , but obviously

37:41

it's up to people to make their own mind up it's

37:43

an interesting story , so

37:45

I'm offering it for what it's worth . Yeah

37:48

sure Go back to London . It's the

37:50

probably the latest 1920s

37:53

and it's a dark

37:55

sort of autumn evening and

37:58

my granddad was on

38:00

his way home from the office we worked as

38:02

a draftsman . And he had a big

38:05

wrapped up painting under his

38:07

arm that he was all excited about , and

38:09

apparently he'd been left a painting

38:11

by a relative that had passed on . I

38:14

think they maybe left them a little

38:16

bit of money , but they'd left them this painting

38:18

and when they got home even

38:20

his wife unwrapped the painting . I think

38:23

it might have been a watercolour

38:25

. I never really thought that up from anyone what kind of

38:27

painting it was . It was probably a watercolour

38:29

framed . I know it was in a frame and

38:32

it was a painting of fairies , fairies

38:34

in like a little forest scene and

38:37

the fairies had bright colours on and

38:40

they seem to be playing musical instruments and

38:42

just doing sort of very Victorian

38:44

sort of view

38:47

of what fairies did . Whether

38:50

it was like a , whether it was like a recently like

38:52

a children's book illustration or just a painting

38:54

that somebody had done , I don't know . But

38:57

, I'm amazed with this painting because it was . It

38:59

was very detailed , very

39:02

finely painted by somebody

39:04

obviously knew what they were doing , so

39:07

they decided that that'd be perfect

39:09

to go in my mother's room . So

39:12

they placed it in the room . It

39:14

took her upstairs , placed it in the room over

39:17

the mental piece and

39:19

there was a little oil lamp there

39:21

burning so she could see the fairy painting . She was

39:23

in trance by it , amazed , and

39:26

she loved that . And she

39:29

was eventually lying down to go to sleep

39:31

when she

39:33

thought she could see

39:35

something fly around the room . So

39:38

she sat up in bed and looked at

39:40

the painting and she was thinking

39:43

it's different in

39:45

some way . What's different about it

39:47

? She suddenly realised

39:50

three of the fairies were missing from the painting

39:52

and when she

39:54

looked around in the room the three of the

39:56

fairies were now 3D , real fairies

39:58

and they were sitting on the end of

40:01

her bed looking at her . And

40:03

of course then she looked at the painting . The rest

40:05

of the fairies began to peel off the painting

40:08

, becoming alive , dancing and

40:10

giggling and playing little musical instruments along

40:12

the mental piece and

40:14

dancing and flying around the room . At this point

40:17

my mum thought that was fantastic

40:19

. And then all of a sudden she was thinking

40:21

no , hang on , this is frightening me

40:23

. So she started screaming , and screaming , and screaming

40:26

for her mum and dad . And

40:28

mum and dad came running upstairs and

40:30

as they opened the door , the

40:32

fairies went back to the painting and

40:35

it was like nothing there . So they spoke to

40:37

herself . It was just a dream

40:40

. You're only literally half awake , half asleep

40:42

. You're dreaming , don't you ? It's all right , it's fine , it's

40:44

fine . So she went to

40:46

sleep and then the next night

40:48

everything was all right , and I

40:50

believe the story goes a few nights later she

40:52

wakes up , the same thing the

40:54

fairies are coming out of the painting dancing around

40:56

the room . So she screams

40:59

and she screams and they come running up

41:01

. As they come in the door , the door hand turns

41:03

, the fairies go back to the painting . At

41:05

this point this happened a few more times

41:07

. Yeah , with her , she's

41:09

getting quite scared and they're going . Look , you know , it's just

41:11

a dream , you're only little , you

41:13

know , come on , be sensible

41:15

about this . And it was almost

41:18

lightly telling her off to try and

41:20

stop her being frightened , yeah . So

41:23

she was sort of struggling

41:25

with this . And then eventually things

41:27

came to the head one night

41:29

, where she sees the fairies

41:32

come out of the painting . They're flying

41:34

around the room . So she's shouting for her dad and

41:36

her dad comes running in and he sees

41:39

the fairies . He was

41:41

absolutely terrified

41:43

. And then a mom comes running

41:45

in and she sees the fairies and they see

41:47

them all fly back into the painting . So

41:51

, absolutely terrified Although

41:54

nothing bad ever happened my

41:58

grandparents took the painting out of the room

42:00

, took it downstairs , wrapped

42:02

it up and put it in the cupboard under the stairs . Or

42:06

there's slightly different versions of what they did

42:08

with it from the family . So I'm sort of just running

42:10

with the general , the general

42:12

consensus of elements

42:15

that I was told that happened and sometimes

42:17

there's slight little variations . Something

42:19

said they put it in the sideboard

42:22

, something said they put it in the cupboard under the stairs . You

42:24

get what I'm saying . Just the variations aren't dramatic

42:26

, it's just little details . So

42:30

eventually

42:33

my grandmother decided the

42:36

painting was just too spooky . There was

42:38

apparently other things that happened

42:41

when it was in the cupboard under the stairs . So

42:46

, she one day took the painting out into the

42:48

garden took it out of the

42:50

frame and burned it and

42:52

got rid of it .

42:54

Yeah , it's . Yeah

43:00

, I mean that's just an amazing

43:02

, amazing story . But

43:04

I can understand from the adults

43:09

, but

43:11

oh , it's scaring our daughter and

43:13

strange things are happening and

43:16

that's when the fear kicks in , isn't it

43:18

? Something that is listening

43:22

to the story now , these years ahead of you oh

43:25

gosh , that's really mad .

43:27

I would have kept the painting . I'm sure you would have done .

43:32

I've been there sort of like watching it every

43:34

night .

43:36

I mean , I think the final straw with my grandmother

43:38

was she was very superstitious

43:41

, we afraid of these things

43:43

, and she had quite religious background and

43:45

the final straw was hers that she

43:47

absolutely insisted

43:50

that she looked out of the

43:52

the the garden window

43:54

one day and saw this figure

43:56

, this male figure with a beard

43:58

and long hair , wearing kind of

44:00

like brightly colored robe , clothes

44:02

, floating in the garden , looking at

44:04

it , which she had presumed was Jesus

44:07

, but it could have

44:09

been a fairy . Yeah

44:11

, yeah , we don't know , and

44:13

so that's when she just flipped out and decided to

44:15

get rid of the painting , which she did

44:17

. Gosh . However

44:20

, there's a payoff from this . If

44:22

about three or four years further down

44:24

the line , my

44:28

mother was out

44:30

with my grandmother and they were

44:32

going somewhere sort of late

44:34

on a summer's afternoon . They had to walk

44:36

through this park and

44:39

they were talking . My mother was trying to talk about the fairy

44:42

painting to her mother . Oh

44:45

yeah , the things that she'd seen . Her

44:49

mother was going oh you know , I do

44:51

believe in fairies and the fey and there's like

44:53

spirits from other worlds and things like

44:55

that and as they're walking through

44:57

this particular part of the park , down

45:00

this pathway which was well used for people

45:02

, they come to this turn

45:06

in the path where it goes through these trees

45:08

, and they saw this man . He

45:10

was laughing and chattering to himself

45:12

be able to sort of demented

45:15

berserk and

45:18

he had a knife and he's stabbing into the ground and

45:20

he's stabbing this hole in the ground . And

45:22

my mother and her

45:24

mother was like , oh , he looks quite dangerous

45:27

as bad energy . And my

45:29

grandma grabbed my mother's hand and said come on , we'll

45:31

just walk past him quickly . And as they went

45:33

to walk past , this man

45:35

stepped out of the bushes who

45:37

was again long hair , long

45:42

like robes , on sort of almost

45:45

medieval looking robes , and

45:47

he said put his hands up . And he said please stop

45:49

, ladies . He said I want you both to go

45:52

back down the path as quickly as you

45:54

can and don't look back . Go

45:56

now , go , go , go . So

45:59

they went and they went as fast as they

46:01

could down this path and eventually they

46:03

look back and they could see this figure

46:05

standing there when

46:07

the guy with the knife had tried to follow them

46:09

down the path , but he was standing like

46:12

, looking like that , as if he was looking at this

46:14

figure . So they

46:16

disappeared , went off . There's

46:18

a follow on to this .

46:19

Yeah , yeah , carry on A few days later

46:22

they're walking past the station

46:24

.

46:24

In those days there was paper centres at the station

46:27

. Read all about it . Read all about it . Here's

46:29

the headlines on whatever happened . And

46:31

there'd been a murder in the park

46:33

in London that exact part and

46:35

the guy that they'd seen about

46:38

an hour later had stabbed

46:40

to death a mother and a child that

46:42

were walking down that path . Oh

46:44

gosh . So

46:47

they always stayed with both my grandmother

46:49

and my mother . These mysterious

46:51

ethereal figure had turned up

46:53

and stopped them .

46:56

Oh gosh , that's so tragic , isn't it ?

46:58

Yeah .

47:02

So this figure sounds

47:06

like it was a guardian spirit .

47:08

Yeah , yeah , absolutely yeah .

47:13

So it brings up so

47:15

many questions , doesn't it ? Sorry about that .

47:19

Probably shouldn't have told you that from now that's

47:21

fine , you

47:24

know the .

47:26

so this

47:29

guardian figure was there to

47:32

protect your

47:35

grandmother and great-grandmother

47:37

.

47:38

Yes , right , so my

47:40

mother and grandmother . Your mother

47:42

and her mother , my

47:45

mother and her mother , and

47:49

then this

47:52

murder happens . Yes

47:54

.

47:57

And it makes you wonder , doesn't it what

48:00

it was , whether your

48:02

mother's being and grandmother are

48:04

being protected .

48:06

Yes .

48:07

Because they have some purpose .

48:09

Yeah , true , yeah , good thing yeah .

48:14

Well , you know what ? Who knows why these things happen

48:16

? But , this figure

48:18

coming out . I mean , what's your feeling about

48:21

this figure ? Do you think it's an

48:23

ancestor or guardian

48:26

spirit ?

48:28

It could have been it

48:30

could have been a guardian spirit . I

48:34

tend not to think it was an ancestor

48:36

, I think it was . It was a guardian spirit , whether

48:39

that was a fey or something

48:41

that lived in the area . Whatever it was

48:43

, it was trying to keep them

48:45

safe , which it did . Why

48:51

it wasn't able to keep everybody safe , I don't

48:53

know . Yeah . And

48:55

you've , you've , you've hear these experiences with

48:58

where people meet a more

49:00

than human character that turns

49:02

out to save them from something or help them

49:04

, and it doesn't happen to everybody

49:07

. I can't answer that one . I don't know why

49:09

.

49:09

No , it's one of those mind

49:12

boggling questions , isn't it ? Yeah

49:15

, Guardian

49:17

people that have experiences

49:19

of guardian angels , for example ? It's a body

49:21

.

49:21

Yes .

49:23

It's an accident , so yes . And

49:27

seemed to survive without

49:29

a scratch . And they see this

49:31

angel came and

49:33

got the car .

49:36

That's right yes , yes

49:38

.

49:40

So what can you talk

49:43

about ? Any of the other strange experiences

49:45

that happened while this painting

49:47

was being stored

49:50

?

49:51

Well , I mean I'm very limited because it was

49:53

obviously a long time before I was born . Yeah

49:56

. The general

49:59

consensus of opinion was sometimes

50:04

they'd hear music , sometimes they'd get the feeling

50:06

of a presence not a

50:09

bad presence , but like a good , mischievous

50:11

presence and things would

50:13

move around . Sometimes they'd go to look

50:15

for something . I'm sure I put that down there and

50:17

it turned out to be over there . It

50:20

was never bad things . Sometimes

50:23

it was playful things .

50:25

Yeah , it just sounds very

50:27

fairy like and .

50:28

Exactly yeah .

50:29

Music ? Well , sort of , because they're playing

50:32

music in the painting . So

50:35

music did

50:37

they hear .

50:39

Nobody ever elucidated on that , but

50:41

they said it sounded like fairy music

50:43

, whatever that's supposed to mean .

50:46

Yeah , it's interesting . Again

50:49

, that's another thing that I've spoken with

50:51

people about fairy music and

50:53

, oh really , yes

50:56

, some people Wow , because

50:59

I've heard what I describe

51:01

as fairy music . I've had a few experiences

51:04

of that .

51:04

Right .

51:06

And I've spoken to people that have heard . So

51:09

my last guest , Emma

51:12

Welsh , who

51:14

spoke about seeing the fairies on her

51:16

windowsill .

51:17

Right .

51:19

This episode , episode

51:22

21 .

51:24

Right .

51:26

And another part of

51:28

her experience that I released for my patrons

51:31

was the time slip

51:33

experience that she had and

51:36

she was a teenager and

51:38

in that case she heard medieval

51:41

music .

51:42

Oh , that's interesting .

51:44

With various other circumstances

51:47

that were happening at that time . In

51:49

that experience it felt

51:51

that it was very much . It was fairy .

51:53

Yes .

51:54

And I've heard that kind of flute music

51:57

as well , and I've heard singing Wow , yeah

52:00

, sounds

52:02

like the .

52:04

Yeah .

52:10

I've heard that kind of flute music as well , and I've heard singing

52:12

Wow , yeah , sounds like the yeah

52:17

, yeah

52:24

, the mischievousness and the music

52:26

and the things being moved

52:28

around . The objects disappearing

52:30

, as well as in the connected

52:33

fairies .

52:34

Yes .

52:35

That's taking shiny things .

52:39

I had some experiences with fairies

52:41

being very , very mischievous around

52:43

me because I accidentally annoyed

52:46

them .

52:47

Oh , I'd like to hear about that .

52:53

We've got some mutual friends involved in this . I

52:57

won't name them . I

52:59

just simply have the politeness

53:01

and discretion .

53:03

With a group of us .

53:04

we all decided to go to St Necton

53:06

Glen in

53:09

Cornwall , which if you've ever

53:11

been . It's

53:13

an amazing , magical place . You can imagine

53:15

. It's come out of Lord of the Rings . Yeah . And

53:19

it's obviously got

53:21

a reputation for being full

53:24

of the fey , full

53:26

of other worldly creatures and energies , and

53:29

at one particular part of it you've got like a

53:31

rock pool and you've got

53:33

a waterfall that comes down into it . And

53:36

my wife is Irish , so

53:39

she has a very , very healthy respect

53:41

, naturally , for the she

53:43

or the fey that's called

53:46

. She's very , very respectful

53:48

of them . Ireland

53:51

is a place that I've been to many times and know

53:53

how seriously the she had taken . The

53:56

people amongst very religious people wouldn't ordinarily

53:59

believe in that . It's like you

54:01

don't upset the she . Yeah , we're

54:03

in St Necton Glen

54:05

with some mutual friends and

54:08

I'm

54:10

standing near the waterfall and I've got my shash of

54:12

legs , I've got my wading around in the water , I'm

54:15

looking at everything and I'm thinking

54:17

, trying to take some photographs . I remember , all

54:19

of a sudden , there's a clock in the

54:21

water next to me , thinking

54:24

to the bottom , is this beautiful , like crystal

54:26

? I'm thinking , oh wow , look at

54:28

that . I thought where did that come from ? So

54:31

I'm looking up to somebody drop it , throw it from somewhere . I couldn't

54:33

see anyone . Yeah . It's okay

54:35

. So I picked that up and I'm looking at it and

54:38

the wife waded across and said what's that ? And

54:40

I said oh , it's sort of like a pier . She

54:42

said you're not going to take that , are you ? And

54:45

I went why ? She said

54:47

well , it obviously belongs to the Fae . This

54:49

is like their area . And she said

54:52

I'm going to put it back , aren't you ? You're not going to take

54:54

anything from her . I went hahaha , hahaha

54:56

, hahaha , put it back . I was thinking

54:58

, yeah , but it's a nice stone , it's

55:01

only a little stone , it's loads

55:03

of stone , I'm not going to mind , I'll just put it in a

55:05

pocket for a minute and take it back . And then

55:07

I sort of forgot about it and got in the car

55:09

with it and came back with it . So

55:12

we drove all the way back , parked up

55:14

outside our house , went

55:16

in and I was like , oh look , oh no , I've got the stone

55:18

back . I've got the stone . And the wife was like you

55:20

should not have done that , you've

55:22

upset the Fae . I'm like , oh , don't be

55:24

so silly , of course not , it's only a stone

55:27

. And

55:29

then , literally within

55:31

a few hours , I'm sitting in

55:33

the front room with a clear view of the front

55:35

door and the path . Doorbell

55:38

rings .

55:38

I'm looking , I'm looking all

55:40

the way .

55:41

Doorbell rings again . Yeah , the

55:43

wife's calling out who's at the door . And I

55:45

said well , no one . And the doorbell

55:47

goes ring ring , ring , ring and

55:49

there's like tap , tap , tap on the door .

55:52

Yeah .

55:53

So I went round to the front door , opened it , looking

55:55

everywhere nobody there . And

55:58

she was like , oh , that's weird . So I come

56:00

back into the kitchen , I'm there for a few minutes

56:02

. Doorbell rings , rings , rings , rings

56:05

, not lock . Go to the door , open

56:07

it nobody there . So , I go back

56:09

in the front room and I'm watching waiting . Doorbell

56:11

rings again . Well

56:14

, this is odd . So a little

56:16

bit of time went on and again the doorbell's

56:18

ringing . There's a tap in on the door . So

56:21

we went and looked at the doorbell . It was battery powered . I

56:23

said , right , might be a fault

56:25

, she's going , it's the she , it's the she

56:27

. I'm like no , it's a faulty bell

56:29

. So I took all the batteries out , disconnected

56:32

the wire from the bell , went

56:34

back into the front room . Half an hour later the

56:36

doorbell is ringing . Wow

56:38

. It's ringing and there's a lock in

56:40

on the door . Yeah . So

56:43

I looked and I'm like she's going , you've upset the

56:45

she . And I'm like , no , I haven't , it's

56:48

absolutely fine . And

56:50

at that point all the alarms went off in the car . And

56:52

then the doorbell would keep ringing and the alarms

56:55

would keep going off in the car . It's lights flashing

56:57

, it's got a loud , loud siren

56:59

alarm . It's like , oh my goodness

57:01

, I could not stop it , turn the alarm

57:03

off . It kept switching itself back on

57:05

and ringing , lights flashing , the doorbell ringing

57:08

. So in the end my wife said , right

57:10

, I'm taking charge of this , give me

57:12

the stone Get

57:15

. And

57:18

she built this little Faye house in

57:20

the garden . She'd put the student leaves

57:22

offerings . She wrote them a lovely

57:24

note saying I'm very sorry about my

57:26

husband . He took your stone . It

57:31

worked . All of a sudden it all stopped

57:33

. Wow .

57:38

That , that's incredible . I

57:41

totally connect

57:43

with the doorbells .

57:45

Yeah .

57:47

I don't know if you heard me talking about that . That's

57:49

something I've experienced myself .

57:51

Yeah , I'll take it . Yeah , you mentioned it , yeah

57:53

.

57:53

Playful , isn't it ? But , they are still

57:55

trying to get a message across .

57:57

Yeah , exactly yes .

57:58

You should have asked us .

58:00

Yeah , yes

58:02

, it got to the point where even I was

58:04

laughing . It was just when the it actually

58:07

disconnected the bell and taken

58:09

the batteries out , and the bell was still ringing

58:11

. How I don't know , it wasn't

58:13

connected secretly to the mains

58:15

. It shouldn't have done

58:18

it . And then there was the tapping on the door

58:20

as well . You'd hear and then it's

58:22

longed on the car .

58:24

Was it like little taps or is it

58:26

not ?

58:28

It was almost like a human , not , it was like yeah , yeah

58:31

, that was not quite a thorative knock

58:33

. Yeah , I'm

58:35

going to get your attention . Human , what

58:39

do you think you're doing ?

58:42

Oh wow . What sort

58:44

of crystal was it ? Do you know ? It's

58:46

an orangey colour , White

58:49

.

58:50

My wife knew what kind it was , but I'm sorry

58:52

I forgot . But

58:55

it was like a normal kind of

58:57

the sort of mainstream crystal . You said it was a tourmaline

58:59

or something . I

59:02

might be wrong .

59:03

Okay , I'm not a huge

59:05

crystal expert .

59:07

I mean , do you know ?

59:08

Yeah , but

59:11

how ? Wow , because

59:14

fairies and stones . I had no experience with

59:16

stones as well . Really , yeah

59:21

, picking up stone , I always ask

59:23

. Now even with like ordinary

59:28

stones that

59:31

I find when I'm out there . Oh , that looks interesting

59:33

. It's got a little face on it . Yes , yes , I say , can I take this ?

59:35

home .

59:35

Sometimes I get no Well sometimes it's always best

59:37

to ask permission . The stone might want to be moved

59:39

somewhere else . So

59:42

I just have an interesting feeling that for

59:44

some reason maybe

59:47

it's just my strength- I think it's just my strength

59:49

.

59:50

I feel like okay , well , this stone

59:52

would rather be near to the river

59:57

or fire up on this rock Just for that

59:59

reason and

1:00:02

I I it's

1:00:07

going to be a little bit

1:00:09

of a shame , I

1:00:12

feel like .

1:00:13

I feel like the stone would rather

1:00:15

be near to the river or

1:00:17

fire up on this rock . Yeah , I

1:00:22

think I'll just go . It's a few years

1:00:24

ago now . I was back 2017

1:00:26

, I went to some woods on Dartmoor

1:00:29

. Was it Wisdomen

1:00:31

woods ? No , no , this

1:00:33

was the different woods . I've

1:00:36

seen it before which

1:00:38

?

1:00:38

not many people know about .

1:00:40

I tend to look at the Woodland Trust

1:00:42

Right or you know where you

1:00:45

can look up Woodlands . There's occasions where

1:00:47

I've not been to that wood . So

1:00:49

I went

1:00:51

to this wood , spent a bit of time there doing

1:00:53

a bit of meditation and

1:00:56

I was sat by the river and

1:00:58

actually I'd taken my tuning forks so

1:01:02

I wanted to do a bit of tree healing

1:01:04

and I'd been using tuning forks

1:01:07

and connected to these . So

1:01:10

I went by the river and on

1:01:12

Dartmoor , as you probably know excuse

1:01:16

me you quite often get

1:01:19

little pieces of corpse

1:01:21

in the rivers .

1:01:24

I didn't know that .

1:01:26

Yeah , especially up like

1:01:28

post bridge . Oh , really

1:01:30

Just quite often seeing

1:01:33

people paddling in the river there by

1:01:35

bridge and

1:01:37

you see quite little raw pieces

1:01:39

of corpse .

1:01:41

Right .

1:01:42

But all over Dartmoor . So

1:01:45

I found a little piece of corpse . And

1:01:47

then there was another shiny stone that I

1:01:49

saw which was very glittery

1:01:51

. I suppose it's a piece of granite

1:01:53

that had lots of micro in it , the

1:01:55

glittery stuff .

1:01:57

Yes , yes .

1:02:00

And it looked like it had

1:02:02

a little face on it . So that's lovely

1:02:04

. So I asked if I could

1:02:06

take this stone home and

1:02:09

I thought yes , and

1:02:11

I put it aside my

1:02:13

bed . It wasn't

1:02:17

the same night , but a couple of nights later . It

1:02:19

was very vivid . I suppose it was

1:02:22

a lucid dream , where I was flying

1:02:24

, wow , above

1:02:27

this city and

1:02:29

this big park , wow , and

1:02:33

I could see myself flying

1:02:36

towards these roses and I became

1:02:38

like the silver fairy , like

1:02:40

the stone Right . So

1:02:42

I saw myself as the silver fairy

1:02:44

from this rose .

1:02:47

Wow .

1:02:50

And the message I got was that it was Golden

1:02:52

Gate Park , which I didn't even know existed

1:02:55

at that time . I looked it up

1:02:57

and I thought , oh , there is a Golden Gate Park by

1:02:59

the Golden , not far from the Golden Gate

1:03:02

Bridge . This

1:03:04

was around November time coming up Right

1:03:07

. And then I

1:03:09

googled Fairy Door , golden

1:03:12

Gate Park , and

1:03:14

the first thing that came up was

1:03:16

this artist called

1:03:21

Tony Powell , okay

1:03:23

, and he made a book about

1:03:26

time as making fairy doors and he'd put

1:03:28

one in Golden Gate Park

1:03:30

oh , really , a little

1:03:32

fairy door with his song , and

1:03:35

he'd written a book called the Fairy

1:03:37

Door .

1:03:39

And .

1:03:40

I thought oh , unless this isn't

1:03:42

a coincidence , yes , exactly

1:03:45

. And so I

1:03:47

sent an email . I said you probably

1:03:49

think I'm really strange

1:03:51

. I had a dream that I

1:03:53

was trying to go on Gate Park

1:03:56

. I said , as you've written

1:03:58

about fairies , you might understand this

1:04:00

. And told him my dream and

1:04:02

I said and there were some rose brushes

1:04:04

and some benches and I was talking to this

1:04:06

guy . I thought maybe it was him that

1:04:09

I was talking to in this dream . And

1:04:11

he said well , there are some benches in

1:04:14

Golden Gate Park with roses

1:04:17

. He said I'll find

1:04:19

them for you because he was living in San

1:04:21

Francisco . And he went and found these benches

1:04:24

with these roses . Yeah

1:04:26

, that's amazing . So all I'm picking

1:04:29

up this stone . So , yeah , it is . For

1:04:32

some reason the fairies have taken me on

1:04:34

that journey To

1:04:37

this person Absolutely and

1:04:39

sort of widened my fairy

1:04:41

With

1:04:43

all the knowledge or somehow

1:04:46

having a theory , shaman . Yeah

1:04:49

, yeah

1:04:51

yeah , I

1:04:53

suppose it is . I love it .

1:04:56

I think it's absolutely brilliant .

1:04:58

Yeah , so that's

1:05:01

the other thing that can happen when you do . I

1:05:04

suppose , when you do ask for these permission

1:05:06

, you

1:05:09

get the senior Okay , that's the yes , then

1:05:11

they'll send us these experiences

1:05:14

and maybe yeah

1:05:17

, so what was your learning

1:05:19

from that experience ?

1:05:23

Probably the most thing is actually listen to my

1:05:25

wife because she knows what she's talking about . When it comes

1:05:28

to the she , you grew up with a she . I

1:05:31

was accidentally arrogant , it wasn't

1:05:33

on purpose so I'm

1:05:35

more aware . If you like

1:05:37

, if you're working with the she , to

1:05:40

just really think about what

1:05:42

you're doing and try

1:05:45

and understand how the

1:05:47

fame may perceive humans

1:05:50

. They may see a sort of naturally

1:05:52

rude , might not be over keen

1:05:55

on us all the time . So you've got to .

1:05:56

I don't know he's almost .

1:05:58

There's an element of energetic respect

1:06:00

You've also , because they're very energetic

1:06:03

beings , you've

1:06:08

got to show respect with all your energies

1:06:10

. It's not that it's really probably

1:06:12

rubbish where they're putting it .

1:06:15

No , no that's . I

1:06:18

think that's very good way of six

1:06:21

way of describing it .

1:06:22

Yeah , yeah .

1:06:24

Yes , I

1:06:27

think they are

1:06:29

very good at reading us .

1:06:31

Oh yes absolutely .

1:06:37

I present to us my

1:06:40

experience of going in with an open heart or

1:06:42

joyful energy to open

1:06:44

me . There's no

1:06:47

point sort of trying to connect various

1:06:49

of your feeling a bit grumpy and

1:06:51

that's right very reportable

1:06:53

.

1:06:55

As part of being human . You can't help that sometimes

1:06:58

.

1:06:58

Yeah , we can't , we can't be all loving-later .

1:07:01

Exactly . Yeah , you

1:07:03

have to just set off being the grey Jedi

1:07:05

, the white

1:07:07

Jedi and the black Sith . The truth is , you've

1:07:10

got your grey . You're balancing both those energies

1:07:12

. Oh my god

1:07:14

, I can't believe . I just know the Star Wars analogy

1:07:17

. How embarrassing . I

1:07:21

love Star Wars . That's

1:07:23

like came to mind then .

1:07:26

Yeah , yeah , there's

1:07:28

so many layers in that my work goes

1:07:30

about the layers in those

1:07:33

films . Well , incredible , aren't they ? Yeah

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, and so many films . So there's

1:07:38

all these secret messages .

1:07:39

That's right . Yeah , that's right .

1:07:41

Yeah , so

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is there anything else you'd like to share ?

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Well , we would be here till tea time

1:07:49

, because I'm never ending

1:07:52

. Blarney , I'm sorry , but I've

1:07:55

always got a story to tell . I've always got something

1:07:57

. Maybe it's what you get

1:07:59

through being older . You do have

1:08:01

to lot , you made a lot of mistakes and you

1:08:03

just . That's what I'm interested in . I

1:08:06

collect stories , I pay attention to things

1:08:08

. There's always something you

1:08:10

can say about something , but it's been

1:08:12

fantastic talking to you today .

1:08:14

I was full talking with you , lauren , and

1:08:16

where can people find you ? Have you got

1:08:18

anywhere that people can connect with

1:08:20

you ?

1:08:21

I'm going to have a blog up and

1:08:23

running by the end of September

1:08:26

, but I haven't got a clue what

1:08:28

to call it yet , so the safest

1:08:30

place to find me is to go onto Twitter

1:08:33

. I'll be on Twitter and the

1:08:35

, the , the , the

1:08:38

. The actual Twitter account

1:08:40

is at the Avalonians

1:08:42

, but you'll find me on . There is the ancients

1:08:44

of Avalon .

1:08:46

Ancients of Avalon okay .

1:08:49

Because I principally the things we said

1:08:51

that was interested in folklore , myth and magic

1:08:54

and the mysterious , and

1:08:57

I researched what goes on in this area

1:08:59

. I love the Southwest of England , stretching

1:09:01

up from the edges of Hampshire all the way down to

1:09:03

you and Fabulous Devon and Cornwall

1:09:06

. And it's a very , very ancient

1:09:08

part of this island , and it

1:09:10

is . It's very magical and very mysterious

1:09:13

.

1:09:14

Yeah , we haven't even got on to , because you've

1:09:16

been to Dartmoor , haven't you ? We haven't even got on

1:09:18

to talking about any

1:09:21

experiences you've had Dartmoor

1:09:23

.

1:09:24

You've had some at Dartmoor , and Exmoor was a peculiar

1:09:26

place . Oh yeah

1:09:29

.

1:09:30

Wow , Love to hear about that

1:09:32

, but shall we ? Shall we do that another time ?

1:09:34

I think we better . I'm

1:09:38

just conscious of your time and what you're

1:09:40

doing and we pack so much into

1:09:42

this . You know .

1:09:43

Yeah Well , thank you

1:09:45

, Loren it's been great

1:09:47

talking with you and

1:09:50

I hope you just stay on for a couple of minutes afterwards

1:09:53

when I finish . Just to

1:09:55

say hi briefly , but yeah , thank

1:09:57

you for being a great guest and

1:10:00

put your links to your

1:10:02

Twitter . Thank you

1:10:08

, welcome back and thank

1:10:10

you to my guest , Loren , for sharing his experiences

1:10:12

with us . I hope that

1:10:14

he will return to share more of his fascinating

1:10:17

encounters . Loren

1:10:20

sent me some information about the awakening

1:10:23

symbol that he mentioned . He

1:10:25

says here's a bit of research

1:10:27

for you . Although academic

1:10:30

state , there are no hieroglyphics

1:10:32

in the Great Pyramid . That's not

1:10:34

true . Several mysterious

1:10:37

symbols don't look Egyptian . The

1:10:40

port cullis , or granite leaf

1:10:42

I was telling you about , has

1:10:44

a boss or seal at

1:10:47

the height of the average forehead

1:10:49

, which is described as a half

1:10:51

moon shape . I don't know

1:10:54

why they say that , because the embossed

1:10:56

symbols are clearly the Egyptian

1:10:58

hieroglyph for sunrise . Although

1:11:00

the seal appears not to have the upper halo

1:11:03

in Egyptian hieroglyphs , it

1:11:06

is still the same symbol

1:11:08

. It matches the

1:11:10

style of the other hieroglyphs found

1:11:12

in the pyramid that seem to come from a

1:11:14

more ancient source that the

1:11:17

ancient Egyptians may have based the

1:11:19

system of writing on . I'm

1:11:22

posting a link to a short video that

1:11:24

doesn't include the mathematical symbolism

1:11:26

deliberately created in the pyramid

1:11:29

by its original builders . So

1:11:31

thank you to Loren for that . I've

1:11:34

included some links to

1:11:36

other videos about the mathematics

1:11:39

of the pyramids , and

1:11:42

Loren also sent me a diagram

1:11:44

of hieroglyphs for

1:11:46

the sun . I also

1:11:49

include a link

1:11:51

to information about other haunted

1:11:53

paintings . So

1:11:56

all of this is included in the

1:11:59

show notes , as usual , which are on the podcast

1:12:02

blog at fairywisperercouk

1:12:04

and

1:12:07

you can see the link in the episode description

1:12:09

. This episode reminds

1:12:11

us to be respectful when engaging

1:12:13

with the unseen and the consequences

1:12:16

of underestimating the potent energies

1:12:19

of the fey . Take caution

1:12:21

before taking naturally found objects

1:12:23

home with you . Ask permission

1:12:26

from the spirits of place

1:12:28

and if you intuitively

1:12:30

sense it is a no , then

1:12:32

respect that . In

1:12:35

my experience , building reciprocity

1:12:38

with a place helps to garner trust

1:12:40

with the other world . Is there

1:12:42

a place that you visit often that

1:12:44

you feel a connection with , or

1:12:46

are you interested in starting to build

1:12:49

this connection ? I

1:12:51

have many videos about connecting with fairies

1:12:53

through nature on my fairy

1:12:55

whisperer YouTube channel . Also

1:12:58

listen to the previous episode where

1:13:00

my guest Francesca shared her

1:13:02

encounter with a kindly fairy

1:13:04

from a place she had communed with regularly

1:13:07

. Previous episodes

1:13:09

where other world travel are

1:13:11

discussed include episodes

1:13:13

5 , fairy River of Light

1:13:15

with Sam Meredith , 12

1:13:18

, quantum Alchemy with Craig

1:13:21

Cannes and

1:13:23

episode 25 , travels in

1:13:25

Fairyland with Jeremy

1:13:27

Garner , who I mentioned in

1:13:29

the episode , whilst I was talking with Lauren

1:13:32

Again , see links in

1:13:34

the show notes for all of these , from

1:13:37

playful encounters that defy explanation

1:13:39

to protective spirits that intervene

1:13:42

in moments of peril , the conversation

1:13:44

with Lauren is a testament

1:13:46

to the intricate tapestry of existence

1:13:49

that weaves through time and space . It

1:13:52

is an invitation to expand

1:13:54

our consciousness and consider

1:13:56

the possibility that magic is

1:13:59

not just the figment of our imagination

1:14:01

, but a tangible , albeit

1:14:04

elusive , part of our reality

1:14:06

. Thank you so much for listening

1:14:08

. My name is Claire Silver

1:14:10

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1:14:12

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1:14:32

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1:14:34

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1:14:37

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1:14:39

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1:14:44

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1:14:46

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1:14:48

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1:14:50

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1:14:53

. Thank you , Goodbye

1:14:56

, and see you next time , and

1:14:58

remember to keep your heart open and

1:15:00

let the wisdom of your feign and

1:15:02

nature guide you

1:15:07

.

1:15:30

You have to have tea , don't worry about

1:15:33

it . English fairies

1:15:35

like tea . It's fine .