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Hello everybody , welcome to

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the Fairy Whispering podcast . I'm

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your host , Claire Sylvan Wand . Before

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I introduce the episode , and my guest

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, a short update on the podcast . I've

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had a bigger gap than intended

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between the previous episode

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and this one . The

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reason for that is in

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my other life , away from the podcast

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. I am a carer for

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my daughter and I also

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have been supporting my mum

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, who is very unwell right now

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. As always , nature

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and the whispers of the Fae have been a

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great support for me whilst

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I process my feelings of grief around

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my mum's illness . I am

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also completing my first book about

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fairies and for any writers

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out there , you'll understand

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that writing needs a lot of time and

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space . My

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intention for the time being is

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to continue to release episodes

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monthly . That way I

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have time to complete episodes

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to a high standard for

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my listeners . Thanks for understanding

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. I

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onto the episode . In

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this heartwarming episode of the Fairy

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Whisperer podcast , join me

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, claire Sylvan Wand , as I

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delve into the enchanting world

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of sound healer , reiki practitioner

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and singer-songwriter , francesca

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Lazzarski , affectionately

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known as Fran . Our

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connection blossomed through shared

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online fairy communities and today

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Fran opens up about her profound

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bond with nature , trees and

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the Fae , from

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her childhood yearnings to remaining in the

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forest's embrace , to

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her intimate conversations

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with an apple tree . Fran's journey

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is a testament to the deep-rooted

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connections humans can forge with

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the natural world . She

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recounts her first auditory

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encounter with fairy music , a

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comforting flute melody that assured

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her of the unseen support surrounding

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her . As we explore Fran's

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life , she reveals the transformative

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guidance she received from a yew tree

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, shifting her perception

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and teaching her to stand in her power

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. Fran's

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experiences with trees are not just

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interactions but exchanges of

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wisdom and healing , highlighting

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the living spirits that reside within

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them . Fran

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also shares a touching account of a

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crab apple tree fairy , a

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wise old lady in traditional attire

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who appeared to offer answers and

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reassurance . This

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episode is a reminder of

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the magic that lies in listening

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to nature's whispers and the

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healing that can come from truly seeing

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the life in all things . Join

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us as we wander through memories , discuss

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the power of tree medicine and

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ponder the mysterious specks of light

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that visit us in the quiet of the night

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. If you've

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ever felt a kinship with the forest

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or sensed the playful presence of

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the Fae , this conversation

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ways of connecting with this realm

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, from listening to messages

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in owls , hoots , finding

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a four leaf clover , chasing

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rainbows or inviting a

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gnome to dinner . I'm

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Claire Sylvan Wand , a Fairy

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Whisperer researcher and

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your guide on this journey . Take

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my hand and step into

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the twilight of the land where

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they are waiting to meet you

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. Friends

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, come on today because

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you're kind of connected online , haven't

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we ? Through online

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fairy connections

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, you

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connect with trees and

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fairies , something I

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love . I love trees and obviously this is all

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about fairies

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working with fairies . So welcome

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, fran .

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Thank you for having me , and it's really

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lovely to finally chat

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to you . It's been a while been a pleasure to

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sort of marry up our diaries . It's

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been really nice yeah

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.

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I think it always works out , though

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, doesn't it ? I think it's always right timing . It

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does , yeah , it does when we're in the yeah

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, the space arrives . So

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I was just wondering what you'd like

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to share about your work

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, how you connect with trees

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and your experiences with Tefe

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. So maybe would

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you like to start with your childhood

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.

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Yeah , that's great I've had . Yeah

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, I was making a list actually before . I connected

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with you just now and I

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suddenly realised actually this these

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kind of sensitivities to nature

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and to spirit and to fairies

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has been ever since I was a child , which

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I know is the case with a lot of people I

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think my first , I

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guess experience of fairy

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I mean when I was a child , I was always out

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in the garden , out in nature . I loved being outside

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. We'd go quite often with family

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to the new forest which is nearby to where

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I live and I always remember having

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this real kind of

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deep sense that whenever I went to the forest

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I felt so at home . I felt

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absolutely at home Ever

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since I was a small child and just

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loved the energy of the trees

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and the smells and the sounds

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and I would always always

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remember coming back . So , having to

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leave the forest to come back to Southampton

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where I lived at the time , always

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being in the back of the car with my

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kind of arms on the back windowsill

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, staring longingly out the window

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and crying and actually

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saying I don't want to go home , I want

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to stay in the forest , it

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was a really , really strong feeling . I

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still feel like that now , although I don't cry . I

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don't cry anymore when I leave

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the forest , but yeah , as a child

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it was really . It was

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like something was being ripped away from me when

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I left the forest , if that makes sense

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. I just felt more at home

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in the forest with the

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trees . So nobody ever

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really questioned it , but

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I remember sort of

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at home in the garden

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. We had a in one of our houses where

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we lived , we had a beautiful apple tree so

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I would always go and sit in the apple

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tree . So I must have been thinking

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around the age of seven and eight and

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anytime I had a problem or anytime

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I needed some guidance , I

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would sit in this apple tree and tell

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it everything and

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I would get impressions coming back

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and answers . I'd

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hear the tree talking

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and

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it always made me feel more uplifted and

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I felt supported and I felt

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I always had someone I could talk to

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. I came I come from a big family

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and it was always quite busy

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and boisterous in the house . So I

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think for me , being sensitive , having

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that space to go outside and

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to be with the tree was just

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essential for my well-being

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and

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this continued all through my childhood

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. There was probably a period

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of my teens where I didn't feel so connected

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, but then I did reconnect

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again . That was largely down

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to kind of religious upbringing as well

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, something I'll maybe talk about a bit later . But

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yeah , the connection with the tree and

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nature was so profound

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and really important to me . And

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this

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particular apple tree , you

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know , I always had a sense that it was alive

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and listening and it was very feminine

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, very feminine spirit . I

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remember also going to bed one evening

9:45

. I think I'd been in the garden all day . It was in the

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summer . I'd gone into bed

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, excuse me , and

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it was like a half light . There was light in the moon

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coming through the curtains and

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I didn't see anything . But I heard like

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a beautiful flute , like really high

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sort of playful flute music

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. And I remember looking out

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the window thinking why is that ? It was really quite

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late . I was thinking who's out there , who's playing

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? There was nobody in my garden

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, nobody in the next door's garden , and

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I remember having a sense then of that

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feels like fairy , but

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I hadn't actually seen them , but I felt I'd

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heard them and

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I think my sense of

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hearing and I've always been very sensitive

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to sound , so whether that was

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my first experience of them

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. It felt really

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joyful and beautiful

10:40

and playful and comforting

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. So I just

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remember then going back and you know

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, back under the cover , and I think I fell asleep

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. But yeah , this connection with the

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trees I honestly can

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say I thought that everybody had

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it . It wasn't

10:57

until I was the age of 30

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. I was in the

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spiritual development circle and

11:05

we were just exchanging experiences and

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I said about , I said to them well , you

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know , when we all talk to trees and hear

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the trees talking back , and they kind of looked at

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me like no , I thought

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surely everybody

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has this experience . So

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I think , kind of all through my younger years

11:24

I hadn't ever questioned it because I literally thought

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, well , everybody can hear trees or

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talk to trees and I didn't think

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there's anything odd about it .

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No , I think it is part of our natural

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way of being that so

11:37

many of us have forgotten Exactly

11:40

.

11:40

And I think this is it . I think because I know

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there are a lot of people that have had that

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experience since childhood and

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whether you know at what

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point you know are we ? I don't

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know . We're kind of disconnected from that and I don't know

11:54

why and how that happens for various reasons

11:56

, I guess . But it

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was just a real revelation for me that when

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this group of people were just staring

12:02

at me going , what are you talking about ? You know

12:05

, this is a spiritual development group

12:07

. I mean , this is going back

12:09

over 20 years , but

12:12

yeah , I was just having within meditations

12:15

, I was having a lot of images

12:17

of trees and tree spirits

12:20

coming to me . So , yeah

12:23

, I think it's

12:26

something that's always been with me , and I think for a long time

12:28

. As with many of us , we

12:30

don't talk about it that much with our nearest

12:33

and dearest or kind of

12:35

colleagues .

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Did you sing to the trees

12:39

? Because you're saying you were a singer songwriter

12:42

. Did you sing to them ? Yeah .

12:44

Yeah , I have

12:46

done over the years , yeah . So again

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, I think it was probably kind of my late teens

12:51

that I started to really reconnect again and

12:56

I would go and sing , and I do . I do that now

12:58

. I always sing to the trees now and

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whenever I visit a tree

13:02

and I ask

13:04

for permission , you know , to approach them

13:06

and it's okay for me to spend some time

13:08

with you and you

13:10

know , most of the time it's absolutely yes you

13:12

know they love . They do love human

13:15

company . I think if you go with a good

13:17

heart and open mind

13:19

, you know you really can

13:22

connect quite deeply . So

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I'll always leave a song . So if I

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, you know , I've been

13:28

spending time with the tree and had some advice or some

13:30

healing , instead of leaving

13:33

a kind of a physical offering , I'll

13:35

offer a gift of song , and

13:39

it just always a nice way to kind of say

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thank you . Very simple

13:43

as well . It's a very simple way and

13:46

because it's coming from you , from your heart , from

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your soul , I think the trees really appreciate

13:50

it . Yes , yeah . There's

13:53

something definitely I do . I

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do do a lot .

13:56

And when you feel

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into your heart space

14:03

of that experience

14:05

of hearing that flute music , is

14:07

there a message , a subliminal

14:09

message , or that you

14:12

feel was there for

14:14

you ?

15:07

I think it just made me feel

15:09

comforted

15:11

. I think there

15:13

were there were issues , you

15:16

know , like a lot of us have in childhood with

15:18

you know . I think I always felt very

15:20

out of

15:22

place and even though

15:25

I'm one of a twin I have a twin sister

15:27

, but I seem to be the more

15:29

quieter one

15:31

, the more of a loner , and to

15:34

feel that I had some one

15:36

, something that I could

15:38

kind of resonate with , and , yeah

15:40

, the flute music , I think . Just I don't

15:43

know , there's some , there's some kind of reassurance

15:45

. I can't remember

15:47

exactly at that time what was happening

15:49

in my life , but it was kind of a reassuring

15:52

, like it's all going to be okay

15:54

, kind of sense to the music

15:57

.

15:58

Yes , as you're saying that

16:00

I'm getting this feeling in my solar

16:03

plexus , that

16:05

you know it's this feeling of

16:07

indescribable

16:10

kind of like

16:12

. These moments open up

16:14

another portal in our

16:16

lives that move us forward

16:18

. It's almost like being a timeless . That's

16:21

the sense I'm getting in . This is timeless

16:23

. Timeless space that

16:26

we go into Don't mean it's almost

16:28

like I moved onwards

16:31

and forwards

16:35

and it's this , yeah

16:37

, really warm feeling

16:39

I'm receiving

16:42

from when sharing oh

16:45

it's beautiful . Thank you , it's so special

16:47

Thank you for sharing that .

16:49

Yeah , that's okay yeah

16:53

. I think , I think , with fairies and

16:56

nature spirits , and I

16:58

have , I have had encounters with the

17:00

three particular encounters which I know

17:02

, you , you know , I've shared with Joe

17:05

Hickey Hall on her podcast , which

17:07

was later in my life , when I was a bit

17:10

older . But I think

17:12

you know those , those kind of formative years

17:14

, those connections

17:16

to this fairy and nature , spirits

17:18

and trees , which is full

17:21

of joy and innocence

17:23

and just lovely . You know , I never

17:26

felt alone , I think , and I still

17:28

feel that now . If I'm feeling a bit kind

17:31

of out of sorts or a bit alone about with

17:33

anything , I go straight to one

17:35

of my favorite trees and I feel

17:37

completely . You know these are my

17:39

team . You know this is my support team

17:42

. You know it's

17:44

hard to describe it really and

17:48

I used to joke with friends . I've got more photos

17:51

of trees and I have family . You

17:53

know family photos . It's like I'm

17:55

always taking pictures of trees and leaves and I

17:57

was in the forest on Sunday with my partner

17:59

and I am like a child in a sweet

18:01

shop . It's just , yes

18:04

, things cool to me , you know

18:07

, and

18:10

I know you know I have to kind of sometimes

18:12

you kind of , calm it down . You think , okay , you need to spend

18:14

just quiet time , which I did

18:16

and I do . But

18:19

it's that sensory thing . I kind of feel

18:21

everything's kind of , you

18:23

know , sparking in my senses

18:26

and

18:28

it's a lovely feeling , it's play

18:30

again , it's that kind of playful feeling and

18:32

I feel that is often

18:34

the various , the nature spirits

18:37

. You know they're very playful and you

18:41

know cheeky sometimes , yes

18:43

, but

18:48

yeah , you feel that , yeah , do you

18:51

know , I

18:53

remember . Sorry , sorry , carry on

18:55

, carry on no , no , no , that's okay , just

18:58

had a thought , just also . So

19:01

I think , yeah , having heard what I think

19:03

was very music , my love is younger to

19:06

then start seeing and I

19:08

sensed in but to start seeing fairy . The

19:11

first time I really remember seeing the

19:14

fairy , orbs and lights was

19:17

at Chalice Well Gardens in Glastonbury

19:19

. Well , I've gone up one weekend

19:21

, I think it was in November

19:23

. It

19:25

was like a really kind of gray kind of

19:27

weekend . I just got on my own

19:29

, I stayed in a lovely little B&B

19:31

. I'd

19:34

gone to Chalice Well Gardens for the first time

19:36

, didn't know what

19:38

it was and what to expect . But

19:40

again , just walking around the gardens quietly

19:43

, I could sort of sense movement

19:46

in the trees and

19:49

I started seeing little blue

19:51

flashes of light and

19:53

orbs . There were blue and then white and

19:56

I remember thinking , oh , that's interesting

19:58

, what's that ? And it was kind of five

20:01

o'clock in the winter , so it was getting dark , so

20:03

they were quite bright . And

20:07

then , as I walked back

20:09

through to leave , walked

20:11

through the little shop , just

20:13

as I walked into the shop , on the shelf

20:16

in front of me was

20:18

a book by William Bloom

20:20

how to Connect with Nature Spirits

20:22

and Fairies . So

20:25

I bought it Because

20:27

I thought , oh , that's a sign , yeah , yeah

20:30

, a really good book . And I just thought

20:32

, yeah , that's a sign , that's definitely

20:34

a sign , and I think that's kind of really

20:36

where it started then after then

20:38

really kind of feeling more connected and

20:41

, yeah

20:43

, and seeing the fairies .

20:45

What do you think ? I

20:49

know orbs can be different colours and

20:52

I'm just wondering because I spoke

20:55

to somebody else yesterday

20:57

who saw a blue orb in

20:59

the woods and I've

21:01

seen blue flashes next

21:03

to people and sometimes

21:06

I see like a little blue . I

21:08

think it's like a spirit guide because I see this little

21:10

blue flash every

21:13

now and again . But

21:15

I'm just wondering what your thoughts on the

21:18

significance of the colour blue for

21:21

these orbs . What

21:23

do you think that's about

21:26

the items

21:29

?

21:30

Yeah , I think I mean blue

21:32

is

21:35

very healing , I think for me . I

21:38

feel what

21:42

you've just described , the little flashes of blue I

21:44

sometimes see that around me as well and

21:46

I feel it is spirit

21:48

Give me

21:50

some sort of healing . Yeah

21:53

, what we've brought

21:55

to your experience of the blue , what do you feel ?

21:59

Do you know ? I've not really

22:01

thought too much about

22:03

it , apart from the blue

22:08

symbolising healing

22:10

. Blue light symbolising healing

22:12

, or you can use it as a protection

22:15

, can't you ? There's different kinds of lights

22:17

that you can use , and I know that's

22:20

a light that is

22:22

used , you know

22:24

, if you want to protect yourself when you're working with

22:26

berries . Yes

22:29

, I'm

22:31

just interested really if anyone's

22:33

got any other ideas about what

22:37

these colours are .

22:39

I think you're right . Actually , with the protection . Yeah

22:41

, I haven't really thought

22:44

about that , because I do use a blue

22:46

light as protection

22:48

at night , actually Not

22:50

all the time . If I just sense , I've

22:53

lived in quite a number of houses that

22:55

have been haunted and

22:57

some have been okay and some haven't been

23:00

very , very nice at all . So I

23:02

have used the blue light because I

23:05

was at one point it was

23:07

after the I don't

23:09

know if you've heard , listened to the podcast or Joe

23:11

but the goblin experience that I had

23:14

.

23:15

Oh yes .

23:16

Yeah . The goblin that was in my bedroom

23:18

, which was really frightening

23:20

. And I remember talking

23:22

to . At the time

23:24

I was working in a crystal shop and I remember talking

23:27

to my boss and he said all surround

23:29

yourself with white light , which

23:32

I did . And I was doing this white light every

23:34

night and I was just getting more

23:36

stuff coming in and more activity

23:38

and then somebody

23:40

else came in and said actually it's

23:43

a blue light , you need not white , because the

23:45

white will attract energy

23:48

. Okay , so yeah

23:51

blue light would make sense . It's a protection

23:53

, one is a healing .

23:54

Yes , yeah , and that's

23:56

just what I've learned reading fairy

23:59

books about working with fairies Okay

24:01

. Yeah . So

24:04

, yes , I'm

24:06

interested in , when

24:10

you're connecting with trees , how

24:14

they sound to you , because I've had

24:16

my own experiences of hearing tree

24:19

voices . Yeah , and

24:23

you know , be interested in hearing what your

24:26

experience of how they , how

24:28

their voices , sound . I'm sure people are listening

24:31

.

24:35

So they're

24:38

often very , they just sound

24:40

very , that kind of very wise

24:42

, ancient sounding voice

24:44

and they never , never , sounds

24:47

particularly useful . They would sound

24:49

, quite in my experience

24:51

, that

24:53

kind of mature , wise

24:55

, guiding kind of voice . I

24:58

did have an experience one

25:00

time . We were leaving our last family

25:02

home . We had to move out . There's

25:05

a beautiful big Edwardian house and in

25:07

the garden this gorgeous

25:09

sycamore tree and it was right

25:11

outside my bedroom . I

25:13

had like a little kind of balcony that I could sit

25:16

out on and be quite close to the tree , quite

25:18

high up , and I would go out at night and

25:20

sit with it and talk to it . And

25:22

this tree became really important to me when I

25:24

came to leave the house . I was

25:27

really quite sad to leave it and

25:29

I thought I want to give it a gift . So

25:31

I had this lovely little quartz

25:33

crystal point with a

25:35

rainbow in it and

25:38

when nobody was looking , I went down to the garden and

25:40

I stood in front of the tree and I said I want

25:42

to give you this gift and

25:44

I got my little trowel and I was digging at the base

25:47

of the tree to try and bury the crystal

25:49

. Yeah , and it was all kind

25:51

of earth , solid earth and few

25:53

stones , and I couldn't get through

25:55

the stones . So

25:57

as I'm digging with this trowel , I suddenly

25:59

heard a voice , and

26:02

it's this very deep , wide

26:04

voice , male voice , say to me stop

26:07

digging and push through the ivy

26:09

. And it really took me

26:11

back . I thought this

26:13

is the tree talking to me and so

26:16

I had the crystal in my hand and I thought , what

26:19

does he mean ? Push through the ivy ? But

26:21

all at the base , you know real massive

26:23

ivy all around the base of the tree . So

26:25

I just trusted , took the crystal in my

26:27

hand , put my hand

26:29

through the ivy and I also put my hand through

26:32

the ivy . It went down

26:34

and down and down and down and

26:36

there was a hole right under the tree but it was hidden

26:38

in the ivy . I literally got

26:40

some more or less my hole under

26:42

the tree and I placed the crystal

26:44

there and

26:47

I had no idea that that was there . I had

26:49

no idea . You know

26:51

, I wouldn't have thought to look

26:53

through the ivy . But yeah , the voice of the tree

26:55

was just this really warm

26:58

, kind of wise , kind

27:03

of parental voice and , interestingly

27:05

, I called him Father Tree . I would call

27:07

him Father . Tree . So

27:09

that's exactly how he sounded . Yeah

27:12

, and it was lovely , and you know

27:14

such a vivid memory , yeah . That

27:19

sounds like a fairy door , that you find yeah . Definitely

27:23

, definitely , and

27:25

I seem to find , yeah

27:27

, quite a few actually , when I'm out nowadays

27:29

as well , in the forest as well . Oh yeah

27:31

, they kind of caught you as well . It's

27:33

kind of strange , it's exciting , isn't ?

27:36

it . I get really excited when I find them . It's really

27:39

exciting . I know some people might think , well , why is she getting

27:41

so excited ? But I see them , okay , and you know it's like a little . Some

27:43

of the people that I've met I've met before I've met before I've met before

27:45

I've met before I've met before I've met before I've met before

27:47

I've met before I've met before I've

27:49

met before . You know it's like a little some of them

27:51

they look like actual

27:53

little doors . You know the ones that

27:55

I just haven't got an opening

27:57

with the handle on sometimes

28:00

and I'm like , yeah , and

28:02

my children , you

28:05

know when I was , you

28:07

know .

28:08

I love that . I know , I'm like that as well . I'm

28:10

glad you're on those ones . Yeah , I think

28:13

it is exciting and I always

28:15

think , I always say , whoever I'm with , I'll

28:17

say , oh , it's a fairy door , you know . But

28:19

you know , it's this doorway under the second wall . I mean

28:21

, I

28:24

kind of felt that that was the tree speaking to me

28:26

. I didn't feel it was a fairy at

28:28

that point , but it

28:30

could have been a very old , wise fairy telling

28:32

me I don't know . But yeah , it felt . It felt

28:34

like the tree was speaking . But it

28:37

was exciting . Actually , I just I was

28:39

just amazed . I thought , oh my goodness , I

28:43

just followed the guidance , I just followed what

28:45

I was told to do , you know , and trusted

28:48

, and even though my rational

28:50

brain was saying that's

28:52

not going to work , you know , but it

28:54

was literally . There's no need to even

28:56

, you know , feel unsafe

28:59

or anything . It just pushed

29:01

my arm in , dropped the crystal under

29:03

the tree , pulled my arm out . Oh

29:06

yeah .

29:06

Yeah . Did you sorry

29:09

. I was just wondering if you've anything

29:12

in response

29:15

to your offering , whether there

29:17

was something that came up in your life

29:19

or whether that that was the

29:22

gift and the kind of your goodbye

29:24

to the tree and

29:27

just moved on , or I think that

29:29

was just my goodbye .

29:31

Yeah , I think that was just my goodbye because

29:33

I felt this

29:35

tree has been well . It became

29:37

more important to me often because my

29:39

father died when we

29:41

were in that house and it was probably , I think we moved

29:44

four or five years after

29:46

he died , so

29:48

I think the kind

29:50

of the importance of that tree grew

29:53

, as it were , after he died . But

29:57

yeah , again , it was just I just wanted to say thank

29:59

you because this tree had given me support

30:02

and they'd listened to me . And you

30:05

know , I think , especially when you're grieving , these

30:09

are just amazing healers that just

30:12

you know , you can just pour

30:14

out whatever it is you're feeling , and

30:20

not always necessarily , you may not always

30:22

necessarily hear something

30:25

back , or but there's a feeling , there's a knowing

30:27

, there's a sense of something's

30:30

been processed and this tree have listened

30:32

and yeah , I think that was my kind

30:34

of feeling , was I just wanted to thank the

30:37

tree before saying goodbye

30:39

, you know .

30:40

Oh , that's beautiful , it's yeah .

30:44

It's such a vivid memory , you know , I can

30:47

still really see and feel and

30:49

hear that tree now , and that

30:51

was almost , maybe

30:53

24 years ago you

30:55

know and

30:58

do you still feel a

31:00

connection with the apple

31:02

trees that you connect

31:06

? with as a child or yeah

31:10

, I still love apple trees . I still feel

31:12

, and again I get quite excited

31:15

when I see one , or yeah

31:17

, and the crab apples as

31:19

well . There were loads of crab apples in the forest

31:22

out there on Sunday . There's

31:24

just something about them . But

31:26

obviously I had my crab apple tree

31:28

fairy as well a counter

31:34

. That was 20 years ago . Oh

31:36

, I'd love to hear about that . Yeah , so

31:39

yeah , that was another period

31:42

in my life which was a bit of turmoil , trauma

31:45

, I

31:49

think . This is it . My life's been quite interesting

31:51

a lot . I won't

31:53

go into it all now , but yeah

31:56

, throughout all of it has been . Definitely

31:58

the trees have helped

32:00

me have lowered me , saved

32:03

me really definitely . So

32:06

, yeah , this one particular time I was going through

32:08

a bit of a bad patch and I'd

32:10

gone out into the forest one afternoon and

32:14

I knew a particular walk that

32:16

I'd been to before and there was a little stream

32:18

and a little kind of private

32:21

little space with trees . So

32:24

I kind of found my way to this

32:26

place and I sat underneath it

32:28

was an ash tree , put my back

32:30

against the ash tree and

32:33

there was a stream and

32:35

water as well as very healing for me . So I connect

32:37

very much to the water , spirits and what

32:40

was that ? And the trees . And so , of course

32:42

, I just sat with my back to the tree and

32:44

I just started talking about all the things

32:46

that were going on in my life and leading some

32:48

answers , and I was

32:50

crying and just really purging my emotions

32:53

and just everything was coming out and I felt

32:55

safe . I felt , you know

32:57

, nobody could see me . I

33:00

always take my shoes off , shoes and socks

33:02

off , and have my feet on the earth as well when

33:05

I'm connecting the trees . And

33:07

so , I don't know , after literally

33:10

a couple of hours , I think of just talking

33:12

to the ash tree and I stood up

33:14

and I thanked the ash tree and said

33:17

, well , thank you for listening and , you

33:19

know , for helping me sort of

33:21

find my way through . And

33:23

then , as I turned to leave , on

33:25

the ground , in front of me there was a little

33:27

branch with some crab

33:29

apples , three crab apples . Literally

33:34

right by my feet as I turned around , but I

33:36

looked and I thought there's

33:38

no crab apple trees around here and I hadn't

33:40

seen any of them when I sat down . And they weren't

33:42

there when I sat down either . So

33:46

I picked it up

33:48

and it felt like again

33:50

a gift . So I said okay

33:53

, I'll accept it , thank you , and

33:55

I popped it in my bag and as I was about

33:57

to walk it off the

34:00

head , I saw about , I don't

34:02

know how many , four

34:05

or five meters , I think there's a little crab

34:07

apple tree which

34:10

I hadn't seen . It's really old whiz and

34:12

little crab apple tree . And . I

34:14

thought , oh , that's where it's come from . I

34:17

thanked the tree and then I thought there

34:20

was something in me . I thought I

34:23

think that the apple tree has been listening as

34:25

well , you know , not just the ash . So

34:28

I got home , I had quite

34:31

a relaxed evening , had

34:34

some dinner , went to bed feeling quite

34:36

good , and before that I

34:38

popped the little branches of crab apples

34:40

on my dresser in my bedroom , had

34:42

some crystals there and I thought , well , it kind of . I always

34:45

keep things like that , I always keep them close

34:47

. So

34:49

I went to bed and then , I don't know what time

34:52

early hours of the morning , I

34:55

woke up and I could see on my

34:57

dresser this little tiny

35:00

green , kind of pea sized

35:02

light , bright fluorescent green

35:04

, and

35:07

I say they're thinking that's where

35:10

my crab apples . that's where the crab

35:12

apples are on the dresser . So

35:15

, in pitch black , I'm just watching

35:17

this tiny green light and my

35:20

rational brain was saying oh

35:23

, it's my mobile phone , I've let it . It's like you

35:25

know , I used to have an old mobile phone with

35:27

a green flashing light and I thought

35:29

, oh , it must be my phone , I've left it on and

35:31

it's on the dresser . And then I thought , no , I definitely

35:34

put that in my bag in the other room

35:36

.

35:37

I'll switch off it .

35:39

So as I'm laying there and I

35:41

see this little green light suddenly lift

35:43

off the dresser and

35:47

it very slowly floated

35:49

towards the bed and

35:51

I watched it and I didn't feel scared or anything

35:53

like that . I just saw this beautiful fluorescent

35:56

green light and it came and it's

35:58

. It stopped at the level of my head

36:00

beside the bed and

36:03

I watched it and as I was looking at it

36:05

it then formed

36:08

into a little old lady , a little

36:10

old , very whizzing

36:12

, beautiful old lady with

36:14

really kind of wrinkled

36:16

, whizzing face but really beautiful

36:19

, bright , bright eyes . She

36:22

was about three foot tall and

36:26

she was wearing what reminded

36:28

me of the Welsh National costume . Oh

36:30

, okay . So she had this long sort

36:33

of skirt and a white gown

36:35

and a shawl over her

36:37

shoulders and she had the little black , like

36:39

the Welsh costume , the little

36:41

black hat , and

36:44

she stood there and she telepathically

36:47

gave me answers to some of

36:49

the questions I'd had in the forest , and

36:53

that was then I realised that it

36:56

was the crab apple tree that was

36:58

. That had been listening .

37:00

Oh , that's so amazing .

37:01

So she'd come back . She'd come back with

37:03

me . She'd come back with

37:05

me and made those apples that I was given

37:07

because they were not there when I first

37:10

sat down , but

37:13

it was . It was interesting because all

37:15

of this happening it felt

37:17

completely normal . It felt completely

37:19

normal and natural and

37:22

. I don't think I told anyone

37:24

to begin with because I kind of wanted to keep it special

37:26

for me . But over

37:28

the years I then told a couple of friends

37:30

about it and obviously I've spoken to Jo

37:32

about it . But

37:35

again I've got a clear picture in my mind

37:37

of how she looked

37:39

and

37:41

her voice was definitely an old lady's

37:43

voice , very wise old lady

37:46

.

37:47

Was she ? I mean , was she human looking

37:49

, or was there anything that

37:51

was slightly not human

37:54

about her ?

37:55

No , she was very human , very human

37:58

looking and about

38:00

three foot tall . I'd say well , she was up

38:02

to sort of bed . You know my

38:05

head height , I don't know . I was lying on the bed , so

38:08

I was lying on my left side . So

38:10

, she was at the same level , no-transcript

38:14

. And the only other thing that happened , interested

38:17

thing that happened after that I remember I

38:20

think it must have been probably a few

38:22

days after I had gone to catch a bus from

38:24

just near to where I live and

38:26

I remember being stood at the bus stop and it

38:28

was up near is a place in Southampton

38:31

called the Common , which is all common

38:33

land , so it's a lot of woodland , which

38:36

is where I lived nearby at the time

38:38

. I'm stood waiting for the

38:40

bus and there was nobody around me and

38:43

then suddenly I sensed

38:45

an old lady behind me and

38:47

she looked similar , she looked very

38:50

similar to the fairy

38:52

that I'd seen , Really , but

38:56

this . But she was more human and she

38:58

was more solid . And she was . She

39:01

was taller than three foot , she was a little

39:03

bit five foot . I'd say but

39:06

she had similar face and she

39:08

was just really lovely and

39:10

she had this lovely energy . And

39:13

I don't remember her clothes that well

39:15

, but I know they weren't modern . There

39:18

was a kind of a traditional kind of dress to her

39:20

, but I can't quite remember what she was wearing

39:22

. But she was just talking

39:24

to me about sort of passing the time of day and

39:26

just saying , oh yes , it's a lovely

39:28

day , even though it was quite cloudy , and again

39:31

this really lovely kind of . There

39:34

was a sense to her that she was just very

39:36

uplifted

39:39

and really sweet and kind

39:42

and I

39:44

remember it was maybe I don't

39:46

know how long this was , but

39:48

I'd chatted to her and then

39:50

I turned to look because the bus was coming

39:53

, and then she'd gone . I looked back and

39:55

she'd gone . Oh , I got chills . It

39:57

was literally that quick , oh

40:00

my gosh . Well

40:03

, I don't know what to think I was thinking , you

40:05

know was this very

40:07

come back in human form , or was

40:10

this somebody else coming ? Yeah , and

40:15

I think back then I didn't

40:17

really explore or research all

40:19

of this . I just kind of took it as , oh well

40:21

, that's something else , because I have so many strange

40:23

things happening in my life , I

40:26

just took it as normal . I really did

40:28

and I always have done

40:30

, and I think this is why it's

40:32

tricky when you talk to some people , because there

40:35

are certain , you know , some people obviously that are open

40:37

and have had similar experiences

40:39

, that understand it but talking

40:42

to people that don't understand or

40:44

haven't had those experiences , you

40:47

know you can see them thinking she's going

40:49

mad . Yeah

40:51

, but it's but I know this happened . Yeah , I

40:53

know this thing's happened .

40:56

Yeah , and it does sound like I mean , she's , so , she's , so , she's , so , she's , so , she's

40:58

, so , she's so she sounds normal , doesn't it

41:00

? Yeah , and

41:02

as you're talking , it sounds to me

41:04

and feels to me like it was like fairy

41:06

godmother kind of energy

41:09

. Yeah , yeah , definitely

41:11

yeah .

41:12

Definitely yeah . Oh yeah , that's true , that's

41:15

exactly how it felt

41:18

.

41:18

Yeah , yeah it

41:22

just I just want

41:25

to share something because I went to . I went

41:27

to Castle Drogos . I went to Castle Drogos yesterday

41:29

with my daughter and

41:31

my who's 17 and she's

41:33

very much into paranormal

41:36

, like she loves Japanese

41:38

folklore and stories , so she's

41:41

kind of interested in what

41:43

I do as well , and

41:46

I told her this experience I had

41:48

when I was in my 20s where

41:51

, similar to what you're just saying , where I

41:54

went to Castle Drogos to look

41:56

around and

41:58

there's a portrait of a family

42:01

member I won't say which one , but

42:04

there's a young man and

42:06

there's a portrait of him and

42:09

they've got he was killed in the

42:11

First World War , the

42:14

son of the family , and they've got

42:16

a room dedicated to him . You

42:18

know the family laid out a room to remember

42:20

him , like a memorial bedroom kind

42:23

of thing , and I remember

42:25

this is my memory . I remember standing outside

42:27

this bedroom and there were some

42:29

other tourists behind

42:32

me looking around . It's like a national trust

42:34

place . They were like a

42:36

group of people behind me and I was at the front of this

42:39

group . You see what I mean . Looking into this

42:41

room and as I looked behind , there was

42:43

a man at the back of the group

42:45

that just looked just like

42:49

this young man that was in this

42:52

portrait Looking at me . I

42:54

get chills seeing it . The same

42:56

sort of expression as in the portrait

42:58

that's just stayed

43:00

with me . My

43:03

daughter remembered this and she said , oh , who

43:05

was ? Can you show me this painting ? So

43:07

I said , well , that's him . I said it was definitely

43:11

. That's how I remember him , so

43:14

it's nice to show that . We

43:16

put it Absolutely

43:19

.

43:20

Oh , my goodness , that's lovely . So how

43:22

lovely . And I think you

43:24

know it will

43:27

show themselves to people that they know can see

43:29

them , and I think

43:31

he obviously knew you had that sensitivity

43:34

and that's

43:36

really interesting .

43:37

It is interesting . So , yeah

43:39

, similar to what you were saying

43:42

about . You

43:44

know , we see these people

43:46

and think , oh , isn't

43:49

it ?

43:52

But there's always some kind of quality to them

43:54

, isn't there that you kind of feel they

43:58

might look human and solid

44:00

and there's

44:02

something else about them that you know they're

44:04

not just human , yeah , but

44:06

how ? Wonderful yeah , and I love

44:09

that . I

44:15

love that because you're looking at his portrait

44:18

and he's looking at you . Yes , at the

44:20

portrait , yeah .

44:24

And whenever I go back and seeing his portrait

44:27

it's like he's

44:29

almost , like he's got a real presence

44:31

, like he's the

44:34

stare . The look that this

44:36

man had is similar

44:38

, you know , the same sort of energy . Yeah

44:42

, it's amazing .

44:46

Well , anyway do you

44:49

find so , like with me , do you

44:51

find it's just all completely normal and

44:53

natural , do you know ? Yeah , well

44:56

, it can seem . If

44:58

you're talking to other people about it it can seem weird

45:00

and not yeah , but actually

45:02

when you're in that moment it doesn't feel odd or

45:04

strange , it just feels normal , yeah

45:07

.

45:09

There's . I kind of , like you were saying , I kind

45:11

of take for granted the way

45:13

that I see things and it's only

45:15

when I'm talking to people

45:17

that aren't on that wavelength and

45:20

I know maybe not to share with some

45:22

people like that anyway

45:24

. So if I start to feel like I'm

45:27

defending

45:31

myself or sort

45:34

of making excuses

45:37

for oh you know , then not

45:39

being comfortable , I think , no , I'm not going to share this

45:41

. So it

45:43

, yeah , has to be with people

45:45

that understand

45:48

? Yeah , I'll get it

45:50

, yeah . Yeah . So

45:54

where did you but ?

45:55

it's difficult not to share , isn't it ? Because when

45:57

these things happen , it's so exciting , you know

45:59

, and it's kind of a lovely

46:02

thing it's often . It's just that lovely

46:04

thing , isn't it ? You want to share it , you know

46:06

?

46:06

Yeah , it is , it's really

46:09

, yeah , really special

46:11

, yeah , yeah . And

46:13

I find well , you must find with

46:15

your work as well , that we

46:18

have these talk to people that have

46:20

had similar experiences or

46:22

things happen .

46:26

And it's exciting . It's

46:29

exciting , yeah , and interestingly

46:31

, I was just thinking , as you were saying , that

46:33

I was giving a Reiki

46:36

session to a lady who's who

46:38

also comes regularly to my sound bath

46:40

. I was giving her a series

46:42

of Reiki healing sessions and she's

46:45

she's lovely , very open-minded

46:48

. She follows a Christian path

46:50

which is very open-minded , and

46:53

actually she she was asking

46:56

me some advice on she'd seen a light

46:58

in her bedroom . She

47:01

was very sweet because she said I

47:03

know I can ask you , frank , because you'll understand

47:05

, I'm like you can tell

47:07

me anything . Nothing

47:09

will surprise me , but I wonder

47:12

what your take of this is

47:14

, if I can share it .

47:15

Okay .

47:16

So I was asleep at night and she

47:19

woke up to see this Again

47:22

. I think it was a blue orb in her

47:24

bedroom , yes , and

47:26

it was on the floor or

47:28

near the floor . I think it was quite

47:30

big , though she was saying it was sort of I don't know

47:33

. She says it wasn't

47:35

as small as the orb that I'd seen it

47:37

was I can't remember how big it was , but she said it was quite big

47:39

. She

47:41

said she kind of got out of bed because she was just so

47:43

surprised to see it and stood up and walked

47:46

over towards it . And as she walked over towards

47:48

it she said it was almost like it burst . She

47:51

felt like she'd stepped on it and it had gone

47:53

. Oh yeah , the

47:55

light kind of dispersed and then it disappeared

47:58

, it just went . She said

48:00

to me what was it ? You know what do you think it

48:02

was ? And I said only , having

48:04

had my experience of fairies and seeing

48:06

the orbs , you know the light orbs

48:08

it could have been a fairy . It could have been

48:11

. And it was very low down to the

48:13

ground and she

48:15

was then sort of worried . She said oh no , I think

48:17

I stepped on it . She

48:20

said because . She said , and it was really strange

48:23

that it was like it Is

48:25

this . You know , it's like bursting a balloon , it's like everything

48:28

just kind of all the light kind of radiated

48:30

out and just disappeared . And

48:32

I said to her I said I don't know for sure

48:35

, I'll have to ask somebody else . So

48:37

I don't know if you've ever come across anything

48:39

like that .

48:41

Well , I

48:43

mean , I've seen the , the

48:46

images of orbs

48:48

being that people

48:50

have caught on camera , and

48:53

I think it's because they move very quickly

48:55

some of them , and

48:57

almost so , you can't , you can't really

48:59

register them with our eyes . And

49:04

I think my theory

49:06

is and somebody might have a different theory is

49:08

that it's energy and

49:11

it's almost like condensed

49:14

energy , that these beings

49:16

traveling in this way

49:18

, in these all so

49:21

like animal spirits , human

49:23

spirits , fairies , and

49:27

maybe we just

49:30

have that

49:33

for a while , but maybe

49:35

it's energetic , perhaps

49:38

they can't hold that form for a

49:40

long time and then they

49:43

disperse Okay , yeah

49:45

, coming in , maybe they're coming in

49:47

into our

49:49

reality in that form

49:51

and then , yeah , can't

49:55

hold it for a long time

49:57

. Reality Maybe . I don't know if that's just

49:59

my idea

50:02

.

50:02

Yeah , no , I think , I think I

50:04

do feel that . Yeah , like you said , they kind of travel in

50:06

those orbs . I think of the crab

50:08

apple fairy , and . But then she materialized

50:12

into the form , but then dematerialized

50:14

and just disappeared . So this

50:17

, you know , this lady that had

50:19

the experience of the blue light

50:21

. She saw anything else

50:23

after it , kind of burst as

50:25

it were . Yeah

50:29

, I think I mean

50:31

without no more detail about what was going

50:33

on and where she was , and maybe

50:35

it's said it's never happened since . You know she'd never

50:37

seen it since . So it's

50:39

just a one-off thing .

50:41

Well , maybe it was frightened . I mean

50:44

, if it was a fairy , maybe

50:46

it's because all

50:48

didn't expect that . Yeah , yeah .

50:53

So I think , I think I said she could have surprised

50:56

it , you know . So that would make sense

50:58

. So , yeah , and

51:00

just in that moment where they kind of they

51:02

met , yeah , it's frightened or something

51:05

. Yeah , but fascinating

51:07

. Yeah , I used

51:09

to have another thing when I

51:11

was remembering , when I was

51:13

very young , talking about

51:15

colored orbs , and it's not quite the same

51:18

thing that we've just talked about , but I used to . I remember

51:20

lying in bed and again , I've never

51:22

talked to anybody about this and I don't know if anyone else

51:24

has had this experience , but

51:27

it would be , you know , it would be dark or there'd be

51:29

like a half-light , you know , moving coming through the

51:31

curtains and I would look

51:33

up and I would , I

51:35

would be kind of quite alert

51:38

and I'd see , like tiny

51:40

, reminded me of , like you know , the hundreds

51:42

and thousands that you put on cakes , these kind of

51:44

colored sugar , oh yeah . So

51:47

I know what you're going to say , yeah , I'd

51:49

see them coming down and like just showering

51:52

quite slowly down , yeah

51:54

, and I was like on top of me and

51:57

I felt again this excitement and I felt

52:00

quite I'd be

52:02

so kind of mesmerized

52:04

by these and it was like tiny , tiny , tiny

52:08

lights of like speckles

52:10

and I'm like , literally

52:12

, I'm

52:16

so glad you shared that because

52:18

I used to lie in bed I

52:20

don't know how old I was , but I know

52:22

I was sharing like a double bed with my sister

52:24

at the time , I think because we didn't have our own

52:26

shared bedroom .

52:28

We were quite little , I think I

52:30

was about it's before I

52:32

went to school . Yeah , yeah

52:35

, before I went to school . So

52:37

I don't know , three or four maybe , yeah

52:40

. And I remember lying in bed , and

52:43

that was one of the favorite things that

52:45

I used to notice in

52:47

the dark was coming

52:49

down from the ceiling , these little speckles

52:51

.

52:52

Yeah , oh , my goodness

52:54

, yeah , I used to watch them the first

52:56

person .

52:57

I've ever told me yeah , and

53:01

I think it's because with my adult

53:03

rational mind I thought oh , I must have been

53:05

just because I , you know

53:07

, that's the way I was seeing

53:09

dark , but I've not seen

53:12

that since . You

53:16

know , maybe in meditation . No

53:18

. That's something

53:20

I used to and it's like seeing

53:22

a fuzzy , pixelated screen

53:26

. Yeah . Yeah .

53:29

Because I remember thinking oh

53:32

, is it just how I'm seeing the dark ? You

53:35

know the light spectrum in the dark , or something . Yeah . You

53:38

know , I thought about it a lot over the course of my

53:40

life and again it stopped

53:42

after , I don't know how . It was only when I was very

53:44

young , the similar sort of age

53:47

that you've just described . Yes

53:49

, but yeah , I would be excited to

53:51

go to bed and have this experience

53:53

. I jump in bed , I lay awake and

53:55

I'd see all these speckles , and

53:57

I even used to put my tongue out to

54:00

try and catch them on the tongue , oh yeah

54:02

, and I kind of felt like I could taste

54:05

them , or maybe it was just imagining I could taste

54:07

them . But I remember

54:09

thinking and they kind of felt a

54:12

bit like the space dust

54:14

used to be there again , you know that sort of sugary

54:16

stuff , and

54:19

I think I imagined that . But

54:21

I was so excited , excited

54:24

to kind of every night to

54:26

have this kind of experience . And I'm

54:28

. That's amazing . I'm so pleased you shared that

54:30

as well , Because I thought it was only me

54:32

.

54:33

Yeah , it's just . It's strange , isn't it

54:35

? Because it's just one of those things that I have

54:37

as a memory that I've

54:40

, I suppose , I've never shared

54:42

with anyone , when

54:44

I was like oh , my

54:48

gosh , either of I , either of I

54:50

.

54:52

Weird , I've never told anybody that . I've

54:54

never told anyone , and

54:57

kind of on and off throughout my life I've tried

54:59

to look into that and research and see what

55:01

it was , but I've never come across anything

55:04

that's given me an answer . I'm

55:06

sure I've heard . I don't get it now . I

55:08

don't have it now . Yeah .

55:11

I'm sure I'm sure I've heard somebody

55:13

in the past talking about specs

55:16

, seeing specs . But

55:19

I remember , you know , in folklore

55:22

, in the like the pixie folklore

55:24

I've been researching , you

55:26

know there are one or two

55:28

people

55:30

from oldie , oldie times that

55:32

have said , oh , the pixies

55:35

appear as specs

55:37

in the , in the air

55:39

. So

55:41

and I thought what ? Do they mean by that Is

55:43

? it that you know what I was

55:45

seeing ? Or is it the

55:48

point of energy where

55:50

they start and then they transform

55:52

into an orb , maybe , and then into

55:54

a being , I don't know Right

55:57

? Is this sort of like seeing

55:59

some sort ?

55:59

of energy . They're very tiny , very .

56:02

Yeah .

56:04

Yeah , tiny , yeah Could

56:06

be the energy and and they're all different colors

56:09

and and I think

56:11

I do remember seeing just very , very faintly

56:13

just faces coming through , but really

56:15

kind sweet , fake , nothing

56:18

frightening yeah

56:20

. But it was more the kind of speckles that

56:22

I'd see . Oh , I'm

56:24

so pleased that was brilliant .

56:28

Yeah , well , the other thing I

56:31

used to do as well is

56:33

in my little bedroom . This

56:35

was when I was slightly older . Have

56:37

these yellow curtains and

56:40

I'd

56:43

see all these little faces in my

56:45

curtains and I still

56:47

see those things . I know , I know there's

56:49

a term for it like Paradox , but something

56:51

that I've really had a

56:53

propensity to be able to see

56:56

, since I was a child and yeah

56:58

. I'd seen

57:01

faces and fairy figures in

57:03

nature and in

57:06

everywhere . Definitely .

57:08

Yeah , yeah

57:10

, fascinating , isn't

57:13

it ? It is

57:15

, wow , lovely

57:19

, I think . I

57:21

kind of think , you know , I wish everybody

57:23

could see all this

57:26

. I think people would kind of what's the word

57:28

I'm trying to find ? You know , when you're

57:30

going to nature and you're aware of all these elementals

57:33

and nature , spirits and fairies , you know

57:35

that , you know there's

57:38

a respect and you have this deep respect for

57:40

them , deep respect for the trees

57:42

and deep respect for nature , and you

57:45

feel you're part of a family and

57:47

that we're all connected . And

57:50

I feel sad that you know that

57:52

isn't the sort of majority view of the

57:55

world . I think if majority people have

57:58

those experiences or have that deep connection

58:00

. I think we all look after

58:02

the world a bit better . You know , I think well

58:04

, that would be the hope . But yeah

58:07

, I just for me . I just

58:09

feel , you know

58:11

, even if I I'm looking at my plants

58:13

in my room at the moment , I

58:16

talk to them . I talk to my plants when I water

58:18

them . I'll tell them how beautiful

58:21

they are , how lovely they are . And if

58:23

I have to , you know , take off

58:25

any dead leaves or trim anything else , I'll

58:27

let them know . I'll say , right

58:29

, I'm just going to do this . You know it might

58:31

hurt for a little bit , it's

58:34

going to make you look more beautiful , you know , that's

58:36

really nice , yeah , I just think

58:39

, yeah , they're all living beings

58:41

, aren't they ? They're all living spirits

58:43

, and so it's

58:45

very animist of you . I

58:49

think you're having that awareness of the

58:52

other . You know , not

58:54

even the other world , it's part

58:56

of our world . It's just a different dimension , it's on a different

58:59

plane . There are , you know , nature spirits , fairies

59:01

. They're on a different plane

59:03

and they're there

59:05

. Maybe not , we can't always

59:07

see them , but we can sense

59:09

them often .

59:12

Yes , and there's plant

59:14

music . Oh , have you seen

59:16

those ? Oh yeah , oh my gosh , one

59:19

of my things .

59:20

I want to buy because I like to

59:22

use it in a sound bath . Actually I

59:25

think I must . There can be a little bit

59:27

pricey , but I'd really like to get one

59:30

and , yeah

59:32

, to hear the plants .

59:35

Yeah , I think that's one

59:37

of the things that I'd really , really

59:39

love , because it's like it's

59:41

one of these kind of things

59:44

you don't need , it's quite and it's quite

59:46

expensive . You said as you say but I

59:48

feel like you're just so transformational

59:50

to have and use in

59:52

my fairy work and use with

59:54

other people . And can

59:56

you imagine ? I mean taking out

59:59

groups of people like I know you do . Do

1:00:01

you take out groups of people into

1:00:03

woodlands ?

1:00:04

Yeah , I've

1:00:07

taken groups , I've worked with groups , other

1:00:09

groups that have asked me to run sessions

1:00:11

for nature , but it

1:00:13

is something I'm thinking about next year . Actually

1:00:16

I was doing more outdoor sound

1:00:18

baths and but just connecting

1:00:20

, you know , with trees and but

1:00:23

on kind of sensory levels

1:00:25

it's

1:00:27

just . Yeah , I think the

1:00:29

second match isn't it , I know , I

1:00:33

know there is Well

1:00:37

, maybe we should both get our plant little

1:00:39

devices , plant music , plant

1:00:41

devices . Got to Meet up .

1:00:43

Yes , it would be fantastic

1:00:46

. Well , we were talking about we need

1:00:48

to plan . That would

1:00:50

be great . Up

1:00:52

your way , plastic

1:00:55

. Oh , is

1:00:57

there anything else that you wanted to share

1:00:59

, your ex-murialist friend

1:01:02

?

1:01:04

Yeah , I mean , I guess I mean there's quite , there's

1:01:06

lots , and actually , as I've been talking

1:01:08

to you and as I was making notes beforehand

1:01:11

, I'm thinking I really need to put all this down

1:01:14

, you know , record it actually in a book

1:01:16

or something . Yes , and I take

1:01:18

a lot of . I love

1:01:20

photography as well , so I do a lot of nature

1:01:22

photography and just things again

1:01:24

that call to me and I

1:01:27

can sometimes see . There's

1:01:31

a way of seeing things that people have said to me oh

1:01:33

, you've got a certain way of seeing things when you photograph

1:01:36

it . Yeah . And it's

1:01:38

not something that I'm conscious of doing . I just I think I'm

1:01:40

just so kind of doing it from my

1:01:42

heart every time , you know I can feel . So

1:01:45

, yeah , so the tree

1:01:47

. I'm just looking at my notes here , my notes

1:01:49

. I'm thinking I must write it all down

1:01:51

and maybe bring it together with some

1:01:53

photos . Yes , I

1:01:57

know there's lots of people that have written

1:01:59

books about you know trees , but I

1:02:01

think something about your own personal

1:02:03

experiences and

1:02:05

this is what I've found within the fairy community that

1:02:08

I've come across . You know , through

1:02:10

yourself , through Joe , through our

1:02:12

online community , you

1:02:14

know you're sharing these experiences and that's so

1:02:17

special because you feel you're

1:02:19

not just being told

1:02:21

oh , this is what happens and this is the you know

1:02:23

, this is what this tree

1:02:26

means , or you're actually hearing personal

1:02:28

encounters or personal experiences which

1:02:31

I find really , really helpful and

1:02:33

help me to understand my

1:02:36

experiences , and so

1:02:39

I'm wondering whether I need to put that into some

1:02:41

sort of little book and just you know , I think that'd

1:02:43

be amazing . Put it out then , You've had

1:02:45

it , and I'm one of these people that think and

1:02:47

think like , okay , just do it .

1:02:51

I just got to do it .

1:02:52

Yeah , so you can do it yeah

1:02:54

.

1:02:55

Especially if it's because I saw you've

1:02:57

got a children's book

1:02:59

. Haven't you called the Whisper ? Yeah

1:03:01

?

1:03:02

Yeah , yeah

1:03:04

, maybe . So yeah

1:03:06

, the whisper not necessarily a

1:03:08

fairy , but it's more , it's very much an energy

1:03:10

. So the whisper represents the love

1:03:12

energy in the universe . Oh wow

1:03:15

. So I created this

1:03:18

little character that , yeah , flies around the world , waking

1:03:20

up people's hearts . So

1:03:22

the stories it's a very gentle story

1:03:25

and it's about loving kindness for ourselves

1:03:27

as well as for others

1:03:29

. I think that's really important . I

1:03:32

think people can really learn to really

1:03:34

love and value themselves . You

1:03:37

know if we all did that we'd be happy with ourselves

1:03:39

, we wouldn't be so unhappy with

1:03:41

other people . It's

1:03:44

just this really lovely story . So the whisper flies

1:03:47

all around the world and goes

1:03:49

into all the little dark corners of the world and wakes

1:03:51

people up and brings it to light . But

1:03:54

yeah , it looks like a little willow the wisp . The

1:03:57

lady that illustrated beautiful illustrations

1:03:59

of the book , the first

1:04:01

sketch that she did , she did a

1:04:04

natural fairy with wings , quite

1:04:06

pink . And I said no , no , it's not a fairy , it's

1:04:09

just an energy . And

1:04:11

the blue was something I kind of felt because

1:04:14

I'd seen the blues orbs and , yeah

1:04:16

, I knew it was a healing color , very

1:04:19

calm , healing color . So

1:04:21

we have some , you know , other sketches

1:04:23

and she came up with the whisper and

1:04:25

yeah , it's worked really well and it's

1:04:27

beautiful little character . And

1:04:30

people have said are we going to do a sequel ? I thought , well , I don't

1:04:32

know . I don't know if it's to do a sequel

1:04:35

with the whisper , because I think the whisper has done its work , but

1:04:37

I have got other

1:04:40

stories in the pipeline that I'm working on .

1:04:42

Yeah , what about a little book for

1:04:44

children on connecting

1:04:47

with trees ? I mean , children do it automatically

1:04:49

, naturally anyway , but

1:04:51

. I mean , because that would a

1:04:54

children's book would also give

1:04:56

the parents some understanding

1:04:58

as well , because they'd be the ones , I suppose

1:05:01

, reading the books with the children . Yeah , that's

1:05:03

true , it

1:05:06

would be something sort

1:05:08

of simple

1:05:10

. But you

1:05:12

know , with the things you've been talking about

1:05:14

to me , and

1:05:16

I think especially the image of the crystal

1:05:19

under the tree .

1:05:19

I think you know that was something that actually

1:05:22

happened . Yeah , to

1:05:24

somehow weave that into a story , yeah

1:05:26

, definitely would be a good idea

1:05:28

. I think , yeah

1:05:31

, I've just got to get on to it . I

1:05:34

know , I know it takes time . I

1:05:36

think , yeah , I think I've had it too much . No

1:05:39

, I

1:05:41

think the trouble is , as well , I get so . I

1:05:44

get so many ideas . And . I like

1:05:46

this every day . I've got ideas for so many things

1:05:48

. You end up then not doing any of

1:05:50

it because you don't know where to start . You know yeah

1:05:53

.

1:05:55

Yeah , I know , yeah

1:05:58

, yeah , I've got to make some chart

1:06:00

.

1:06:01

It's making the time , isn't it ? And I think

1:06:03

when I did the whisper , I'd the

1:06:05

seed of that story . We had actually started

1:06:07

sort of some some years , probably , you

1:06:09

know sort of 20 years previous . But

1:06:11

I only had time to really work

1:06:13

on it because I self published it and designed

1:06:15

the book and I've

1:06:18

marketed it and everything , and I it's because it was

1:06:20

during the COVID . So in that first lockdown I

1:06:23

was made redundant from my job . Yeah

1:06:25

. So I had time to work on it

1:06:28

. And

1:06:30

it's interesting because I was thinking I've had this

1:06:32

story for years and wanted to do something with it

1:06:34

and I had sent it to a couple of publishers

1:06:36

but didn't hear anything back and

1:06:38

I just put it away in a drawer . I

1:06:41

forgot about it and thought , oh , you know , one

1:06:43

day I'll do something with it . But

1:06:47

it always felt like it needed to kind of . You

1:06:49

know , I needed to put it into a book . But

1:06:52

yeah , with COVID and the lockdowns

1:06:54

, I had time to work on it . So

1:06:57

that's probably why I

1:07:00

just amassed myself in it and I spent months

1:07:02

kind of fine , tuning

1:07:04

it and editing it and then putting it all together

1:07:07

and actually that was

1:07:09

really healing for me , I think , having

1:07:11

that time and just being completely creative

1:07:14

because I wasn't working . And

1:07:17

actually the story , even though it had been kind

1:07:21

of the foundations of it , have been written some

1:07:23

years previous . It kind

1:07:25

of related to what was happening in the world

1:07:27

. You know , that whole idea

1:07:29

that we couldn't hug , you know and it's called

1:07:32

the whisper subtitle hug around

1:07:34

the world . We couldn't hug each other

1:07:36

, but we could still send

1:07:38

that loving kindness and people were connecting

1:07:40

, you know , around the world , weren't they

1:07:42

? And that time , kind of

1:07:45

online or singing , I was

1:07:47

with the Italians . That always stuck in my

1:07:49

mind , the videos of all the Italians

1:07:52

in their apartments singing and playing music

1:07:54

to each other , and I just thought , oh beautiful

1:07:56

it was amazing

1:07:58

. Just the past time of day to keep

1:08:00

morale up . It was really lovely

1:08:03

. So

1:08:05

yeah , the story of the whisper kind of tapped

1:08:08

into that little bit .

1:08:09

Yeah , I mean it's so . There's

1:08:11

so many of us I hear this time and time

1:08:14

again with friends , people I speak

1:08:16

to from a podcast that

1:08:18

that time seemed

1:08:22

to push many

1:08:26

of us are creativity forward or what

1:08:28

. Okay , this is something that

1:08:30

I wanted to do for a while to

1:08:33

give to the world , and for

1:08:35

me it was . I can

1:08:37

understand , yeah , recording

1:08:39

meditations , and then from

1:08:42

that , my idea

1:08:44

for a podcast came from that , and

1:08:46

so it's . All these seeds in that time

1:08:48

wasn't there , Like you

1:08:50

with your book and yeah . So

1:08:53

yeah , it was you know

1:08:55

. Yeah , it was a gift in

1:08:57

some ways . Yeah , definitely

1:09:00

.

1:09:03

I think it was taking what was kind of a really difficult

1:09:06

challenge in time and just finding yeah

1:09:09

, that kind of positive and what you could

1:09:11

, what

1:09:14

could come of that . And

1:09:16

yeah , I think it's quite a

1:09:18

unique time . Well

1:09:21

, I know there were obviously still people that had to work in that

1:09:23

time , but for people that weren't working it's a really

1:09:25

quite . And again , it's that thing of having

1:09:28

the time . You know , we heard about

1:09:30

people connecting more with nature and

1:09:32

I do wonder , you know

1:09:34

, and I feel it sort of , from that time , more

1:09:37

and more people have become

1:09:39

more aware of the natural world and

1:09:41

going out into the natural world , and

1:09:43

we see it . When I go to the forest with

1:09:45

my partner , we're all were saying

1:09:47

this never used to be so busy here

1:09:49

, you know , years ago . You hardly see

1:09:51

anybody . Yeah , it's

1:09:53

a crowd to be , which is lovely

1:09:56

that they're all going out into the forest , but sometimes

1:09:58

it's like , oh , it used to be really nice

1:10:00

and quiet . I know

1:10:02

.

1:10:03

I know it has . There are

1:10:05

. I'm sorry , it's

1:10:07

like the Dartmoor . They're a place that has become

1:10:10

so . It's become so busy

1:10:13

.

1:10:13

yeah , compared to what it was , and then you've got more

1:10:15

cars and that , and then I

1:10:17

think , oh no . Yeah . Yeah

1:10:20

, it's really interesting . But

1:10:22

you know , I remember saying at the time I said

1:10:24

to my partner it's like suddenly people

1:10:26

have discovered nature . You know , yeah

1:10:28

, it is yeah . It's

1:10:30

like where did you get all these years ?

1:10:35

What she is doing this .

1:10:40

Yeah , it's like , it's like , but then I guess

1:10:42

yeah .

1:10:44

I don't know , and it was a really .

1:10:46

I remember it being a really lovely spring as well , that first year , wasn't it that

1:10:49

?

1:10:49

first lockdown .

1:10:51

It was a gorgeous weather and so , yeah , everyone's

1:10:53

out there going and there was just a lovely

1:10:55

sense of calm and again

1:10:57

, you know , people said and I remember

1:11:00

feeling it and sensing it at the time that Because

1:11:03

there was no traffic and there was no , Everything

1:11:05

was quiet and you could hear the birds more and

1:11:07

the birds were singing more , I think you know they were much

1:11:09

more happier and everything

1:11:11

just felt more alive . It was really

1:11:13

lovely . So

1:11:15

, yeah , I think , even though it was an awful time , I

1:11:18

think it was quite a unique time that we've

1:11:20

Well , we'll probably never , Well

1:11:22

, hopefully never have to go through again . But

1:11:24

the positives with that were that you

1:11:27

know , we have time and time

1:11:29

to connect and time to spend in nature

1:11:31

. Although

1:11:34

I laugh because I think my life didn't really

1:11:36

change that much because I tend to I

1:11:39

don't tend to go out very much . Anyway , it's

1:11:41

socialising in big groups . I

1:11:44

tend to spend a lot of time on my own in the woods . Life

1:11:48

didn't really change for me , you know , I

1:11:59

think for people that really love being

1:12:01

in groups and socialising and spending

1:12:04

money and you know it

1:12:06

must have been really difficult , but it didn't affect

1:12:08

me , yeah .

1:12:12

I'm similar really . I

1:12:15

don't mind my own company being

1:12:18

a single parent for years . Well

1:12:22

, 12 years or so . Yeah

1:12:27

, so I've

1:12:29

learned . I've done a lot since I was

1:12:31

really young . Actually , I've done a lot of going

1:12:33

on my own into

1:12:35

nature and doing that

1:12:38

kind of thing .

1:12:39

It's lovely , isn't it , I think , to

1:12:41

go on your own . I

1:12:44

think it's , but no other distractions

1:12:46

. Yeah , I think you can connect

1:12:48

much more deeply . Yeah , the

1:12:52

cat's just wandered off onto the tree . He

1:12:58

doesn't like me being on the computer . He

1:13:01

doesn't like me being on the computer .

1:13:02

It's like my cat . Whenever

1:13:05

I'm doing this , she'll either

1:13:07

want to come in she'll

1:13:09

either be behind the glass , because I don't have

1:13:11

a cat flap . I've just got . Patty

1:13:13

or John . So I let

1:13:15

her in the front of the mat and she'll

1:13:17

either be outside with her paws on the glass

1:13:19

meowing or she'll

1:13:22

come in . She'll come in and

1:13:24

have some food , and then she'll want to go out

1:13:26

again . So I'm like

1:13:28

, oh , yeah .

1:13:30

You always do this when I'm on

1:13:32

the , and this is . I

1:13:35

thought , oh , ollie's out . I thought I

1:13:37

might be out all night , but he's actually

1:13:39

come in and he's now got his back to me . I'm

1:13:41

on the computer and not Disgusted

1:13:43

he's so

1:13:46

funny .

1:13:48

Cats are funny , aren't they ? I'm

1:13:51

like oh , you're not giving me attention

1:13:53

.

1:13:53

Yeah , oh

1:13:57

, it's been wonderful talking

1:13:59

with you , friend , and you . Yeah

1:14:02

, I know

1:14:04

I've probably gone off on tangents , but

1:14:06

there's probably a lot more I can

1:14:08

talk about . But

1:14:10

yeah , I did have . I'll

1:14:13

send this to you . I

1:14:15

had an experience with the yew tree , which

1:14:18

was available a few years ago . We can .

1:14:20

Yeah , if you want to share that now , it'd be

1:14:22

lovely to hear that . Yeah , I don't

1:14:24

mind . Yeah

1:14:27

, carry on .

1:14:28

Okay , yeah , ollie

1:14:31

, my cat is now staring at me . Okay

1:14:35

, oh

1:14:38

dear , they're funny , ollie . So

1:14:42

, yeah , so I've gone on a walk with

1:14:44

my partner . We'd

1:14:47

In other words , the new forest is

1:14:49

a huge area , so there's lots of lovely walks and

1:14:51

woodlands . It's

1:14:54

beautiful , I love it . And it was a rainy day and

1:14:57

we were walking through the woods it started to

1:14:59

get quite heavy the rain . So

1:15:01

I just said to him well , let's just find some trees

1:15:03

to shelter under . And we

1:15:05

found this to the side

1:15:07

of the path , this little area , and there was

1:15:10

an oak tree and a yew tree , kind of

1:15:12

opposite each other . So

1:15:14

Pete said well , you know , we'll sit under the trees and

1:15:17

let's do a meditation . My

1:15:21

instinct was to . I

1:15:23

wanted to sit under the oak tree because I also find oaks very

1:15:26

, again , very comforting and protective

1:15:28

. And

1:15:30

I've always felt a little bit and that's going to sound

1:15:33

strange I've always felt a little bit scared

1:15:35

of yew trees , no idea why

1:15:37

, but I just sometimes

1:15:39

find their energy quite intense . So

1:15:41

at this moment I was there thinking do I sit under

1:15:43

the oak tree or the yew tree ? And

1:15:46

then something in me said no , sit under the yew tree . You

1:15:49

know , I needed to do this , I needed to sit with the

1:15:51

yew tree , so he sat

1:15:53

with the oak and I sat with the yew tree and

1:15:56

I was really nervous . I was nervous

1:15:58

, I sat on the ground and I had my back against the tree

1:16:00

, but I was really quite

1:16:03

tense and nervous about doing it . As

1:16:07

I'm trying to kind of

1:16:09

ease myself back again

1:16:12

, I heard a voice from the tree saying rest

1:16:18

your back on me , don't be frightened

1:16:20

. And then it

1:16:22

was a female voice , quite a young female

1:16:25

voice , and she said I've

1:16:28

written it down . I'll send this to you as well , claire

1:16:30

, because it's a bit more clearer that I've

1:16:32

written it down . But she basically said to

1:16:34

me don't be afraid , for

1:16:36

I have light at my core . Oh

1:16:39

, wow . And with that

1:16:41

I just completely relaxed

1:16:44

, put my back on the tree

1:16:46

and I got off into this kind

1:16:48

of meditation journey . And

1:16:50

again I was just getting some information

1:16:53

and she was saying about working more

1:16:55

with the tree medicine . And

1:16:58

then I had this experience where I

1:17:01

was still in that sort of altered state . I

1:17:03

had my eyes open and I looked across

1:17:06

the path and there

1:17:08

were . I could see there were like

1:17:10

ferns and kind of bracken and things

1:17:12

on the path and

1:17:15

they also made the shape

1:17:17

of , like you know , the old medicine men used

1:17:19

to wield their medicine cabinets around , like

1:17:22

in America . you see , the medicine men selling kind

1:17:26

of I don't know if you've seen like big

1:17:28

cabinets on wheels and they'd just , they'd wheel

1:17:30

them around and they'd sort of

1:17:32

they'd turn up at a town or a village

1:17:34

and they , I think they were

1:17:37

called medicine men and they'd open up their cabinet

1:17:39

and they'd be selling

1:17:41

potions and lotions and people would say

1:17:43

often it was snake oils . They , you know , they found

1:17:45

some . Some of these people weren't particularly

1:17:47

, you know , honest

1:17:49

about what they were selling . But

1:17:52

I saw , as I'm sat by this tree and I looked across

1:17:54

the path and I could see like

1:17:56

one of these old medicine cabinets . I mean

1:17:58

I could see it was made up of ferns , but

1:18:02

it was really kind of there as

1:18:04

well and I just thought it's

1:18:06

again , this is what the tree is showing me about the medicine

1:18:08

, the medicine of the plants and the

1:18:10

trees . And

1:18:12

then with that the kind of the whole scene

1:18:15

kind of vanished and I

1:18:17

kind of came back into this kind of world

1:18:19

and from

1:18:22

that moment on I've loved you trees . So

1:18:24

, every time now I see you tree , I'll

1:18:26

go and spend time with it and

1:18:29

I've had some quite interesting advice

1:18:33

from you trees .

1:18:35

Yeah , yeah , because they're really

1:18:37

really old , aren't they ? So what

1:18:39

, what do they ?

1:18:40

very old yeah .

1:18:42

What sort of things have they ?

1:18:45

A lot of it's been about really

1:18:47

standing in your power and

1:18:50

being yourself , not

1:18:53

being afraid to be yourself , and

1:18:58

I've not had that with other trees . I've

1:19:00

had a lot of messages but , yeah , when I've had

1:19:02

experiences of tree , of

1:19:05

you tree , now , it's always something about standing

1:19:09

around , standing in your power and being not

1:19:11

being frightened . Standing in your power and

1:19:14

not being frightened to be yourself , yes

1:19:17

, which

1:19:21

is again , I think , sometimes . Generally

1:19:24

, I'm quite quite confident . There

1:19:26

are moments you kind of go well , I

1:19:29

don't feel like a fit in , or I feel different

1:19:31

to that group , or I feel different to my family

1:19:33

, or I feel people won't understand

1:19:35

me , or if I say

1:19:37

what I've you know my thoughts people won't

1:19:40

get it and I'll be isolated

1:19:42

even more . But actually , again

1:19:45

, from these messages from the youth , I'm

1:19:48

getting more and more confident to say this is who

1:19:51

I am and I can't help you know if I

1:19:53

have these experiences that seeming

1:19:55

the odd to other people , and

1:19:58

it is about finding you know those

1:20:01

that do experience it or do understand

1:20:03

and are on that wavelength . So

1:20:07

, yeah , the youth trees is always kind of a mind to me

1:20:09

and now kind

1:20:12

of reminded me every time I spend time with them . It's

1:20:14

all about standing in your power being

1:20:16

true to yourself , you know .

1:20:20

Yeah , I've taken some , so it's a very strong

1:20:22

kind of energy . Definitely

1:20:24

it's very strong medicine . That's what .

1:20:26

I get from youth trees .

1:20:28

I've connected with Photos

1:20:32

I've because I do these

1:20:34

mirror photos . I don't know if you've seen

1:20:36

where I see

1:20:38

images of trees . I

1:20:40

do those as well , then , yeah

1:20:43

and so I've done a few with youth trees

1:20:45

. There is this

1:20:47

church in

1:20:49

Wales , in this place , called

1:20:51

Kefen Nils I

1:20:54

think I don't know if I'm sorry Welsh

1:20:56

people , I'm pronouncing

1:20:58

that wrong but

1:21:01

it's like there's

1:21:03

a hill fort big hill fort

1:21:05

and then at the bottom of this hill fort

1:21:07

nearby as far as I remember it's a

1:21:09

few years ago there's a little church

1:21:12

and there's some very

1:21:14

old youth trees there , and

1:21:17

I did when I was there in

1:21:19

2018 , I did some mirror

1:21:21

photos of youth

1:21:24

trees and these amazing

1:21:26

beings appeared Like

1:21:29

they are just one

1:21:31

of them that's like a typical sort

1:21:33

of typical sort of alien

1:21:36

. I

1:21:38

suppose it can be fair as well , it's got big

1:21:40

almond eyes and

1:21:43

you know almost like they're dressed

1:21:45

in these robes just very regal

1:21:47

looking , and there's another

1:21:50

one just like a goddess with kind of like

1:21:52

a sort of like

1:21:54

a horse face . I'll

1:21:57

send them to you so you can see them .

1:22:00

Yeah , I'd love to see those , yeah

1:22:02

, definitely . But yeah , it's interesting

1:22:04

you said that medicine is really strong with

1:22:07

the youth because I feel that really kind of yeah

1:22:10

, very , I have , but

1:22:13

it was only sort of after that , that

1:22:15

youth tree kind of meditation that I've had

1:22:17

that I have a newfound

1:22:19

respect for and kind of love of

1:22:21

youth , because before then I always

1:22:24

found I kept my distance . Yeah

1:22:27

, really really interesting why

1:22:29

I think sometimes as

1:22:31

well with some youth trees in

1:22:33

the , and I know there's a place in

1:22:35

the forest particularly

1:22:38

where in

1:22:40

the rain it can look like the

1:22:42

bark is like blood , it looks like they get quite red , the

1:22:45

bark is quite red and the rain makes it look like

1:22:47

blood and it's quite , you

1:22:50

know , when you see it it's quite alarming

1:22:52

sometimes . Well , I found it alarming

1:22:54

, so I

1:22:56

kind of associated well , I know it's

1:22:59

all about death and rebirth , and so

1:23:01

, yeah , I felt that really strongly with the youth . It's

1:23:03

like that very they're

1:23:06

not afraid of the dark , they're not afraid

1:23:08

of darkness because they have got light

1:23:10

, you know , and yeah

1:23:14

, just that makes sense . Yeah , yeah

1:23:16

, definitely you know

1:23:18

, because they are they

1:23:20

can seem very dark , but they're not .

1:23:23

They are these , these

1:23:26

portals , aren't they ? I mean , I know all trees , all

1:23:29

trees , but they are not especially

1:23:31

youth trees . They are these intermediary

1:23:34

gateways between this world and the next

1:23:37

. Very , I feel

1:23:40

that very strongly from them , like

1:23:42

it's almost like , yeah

1:23:45

, life , deaths

1:23:47

and rebirth and a

1:23:49

lot of them have graveyards

1:23:53

built subsequently around them

1:23:55

, or churches .

1:24:02

Yeah , yeah , it's like they're not . Yeah , as you

1:24:05

said , they're the gateways , aren't they ? And they're not frightened

1:24:07

of death . And

1:24:10

you know it's

1:24:12

very , very powerful , because there was

1:24:14

that film . I can't remember the name of it , oh

1:24:17

gosh , I'll see if I can find

1:24:19

out afterwards . I

1:24:21

don't know if you ever saw it . It was a film about , I

1:24:23

think it was a woman that had

1:24:26

cancer and she was having treatment , but

1:24:29

it was from her son's perspective of all the challenges

1:24:32

. And there's

1:24:34

a tree , it's a youth tree in

1:24:36

the film that kind of the

1:24:39

boy is connecting with . But the youth

1:24:41

tree becomes it's a bit like the Ents

1:24:44

in the , the sort of Lord of the Rings it

1:24:46

becomes a being really

1:24:48

powerful film . But I felt it was interesting

1:24:51

that they used the

1:24:53

youth tree because obviously they used medicine

1:24:55

, don't they extracted from youth cancer

1:24:58

treatment . I'll

1:25:00

see if I can find out the film

1:25:02

and I'll send you the link , because it's

1:25:04

a really amazing film and

1:25:07

quite thought provoking

1:25:09

and powerful .

1:25:10

I'm sure that rings a bell , but

1:25:12

yeah , if you can send me the name

1:25:15

of it that'd be great

1:25:17

. There's also a writer

1:25:19

called . I

1:25:22

don't know if he's written his book yet , but Michael

1:25:25

Dunning . Have you heard of him ? No

1:25:28

, I haven't . He's

1:25:33

done a lot of shamanic work

1:25:35

with youth trees and

1:25:37

I can't remember it's a while

1:25:40

since I've looked at his website but

1:25:42

he recovered

1:25:44

from illness

1:25:47

through spending

1:25:49

a lot of time with these trees

1:25:51

, the youth trees , and he even slept

1:25:55

under the trees for a while and

1:26:00

somehow probably

1:26:02

says in his books about the medicine

1:26:05

. But the

1:26:08

toxicity of the trees

1:26:10

seemed , from

1:26:12

what I remember , seemed to counteract

1:26:14

what was going on in his body . So

1:26:17

instead of making it , you know , because

1:26:19

he was so unwell . Toxicity

1:26:23

healed him , that's

1:26:26

incredible , that's incredible .

1:26:30

Oh , I love to find it . So , Michael Dunning , I love to

1:26:32

find it . That's

1:26:35

really interesting .

1:26:37

This was again . This was in Wales

1:26:39

. I met him in 2018

1:26:41

, at this shamanic conference

1:26:45

that I went to and

1:26:47

at that point he hadn't

1:26:49

written a book , but he has got a website

1:26:52

. If you put in you trees

1:26:54

Michael Dunning , I think

1:26:56

he'll come up .

1:27:00

I will do , thank you . Thank

1:27:04

you , I definitely will look into that because that

1:27:06

is fascinating . It

1:27:10

really chats into that . I do energies

1:27:13

. You don't even have to ingest the plant , and

1:27:20

I think this is what trees do for me I

1:27:22

feel healed just being in their presence , and

1:27:26

they've all got their own specific areas

1:27:29

of healing , haven't they ? Yes , yes

1:27:32

, fascinating . Definitely I'll look into

1:27:34

that , thank you .

1:27:37

Oh , thank you for sharing .

1:27:39

Oh gosh , it's an amazing world , isn't

1:27:41

it ? It is , it is

1:27:43

.

1:27:48

Yes , so keep sharing your medicine

1:27:51

with other people , and

1:27:53

I look forward to meeting

1:27:55

with you at some point next year and

1:28:00

what we can magic up Definitely

1:28:03

. We really want to

1:28:05

talk Definitely

1:28:07

yes .

1:28:09

Thanks for your time . Thank

1:28:11

you , claire . It's been lovely , really lovely

1:28:13

, to hear your stories

1:28:16

as well , especially about

1:28:18

those speckles . I love that . I

1:28:21

love that you've had that as well . I love it

1:28:23

. Has anybody

1:28:25

else had this ?

1:28:29

Yes , it's something that I remember always

1:28:33

seemed special to me , but I've never

1:28:35

spoken to anybody . You

1:28:37

know how you keep these things to yourself . Because

1:28:40

it's just one of those things . Oh , yeah , that happened

1:28:42

, but because

1:28:45

you brought that up . I was like oh

1:28:47

well yes .

1:28:51

I love that . Thank you so pleased

1:28:53

. It's not just me . I thought , have

1:28:55

I just imagined it like you do ? I

1:28:58

think have I just imagined that ? But definitely

1:29:00

a thing . And you said

1:29:03

it was something to do with pixies it's

1:29:06

been so special

1:29:08

to me In folklore

1:29:10

.

1:29:10

This is , you know , in recent times , when

1:29:13

I've been reading in folklore , it just struck

1:29:15

me that somebody described seeing

1:29:18

pixies , and

1:29:21

they described them as specks

1:29:23

floating in the air , and

1:29:25

that reminded me of my experiences

1:29:28

as a child lying in bed . I'm

1:29:30

not saying that these were pixies but

1:29:32

whatever it was , that's how

1:29:34

I saw it , like these little specks

1:29:37

coming down from

1:29:39

.

1:29:39

The energy , isn't it ?

1:29:41

The thought . I think , yeah , the

1:29:44

energy . And then it brings

1:29:46

to mind as well , talking

1:29:50

to recent guests on my podcast

1:29:52

, all

1:29:55

of the orbs and energies

1:29:58

and lights that she's captured on her security

1:30:00

cameras in her garden and

1:30:05

thinking well , we

1:30:08

only see a tiny amount

1:30:10

of the spectrum , don't be with our eyes

1:30:12

. And

1:30:14

now we have technology

1:30:16

that can start

1:30:18

to see what we can't see With

1:30:21

our eyes .

1:30:22

yeah , I mean

1:30:24

, it's really quite minute , isn't it what

1:30:26

we can see with our human eyes . You

1:30:29

know it's I

1:30:32

read something about it the other day and it's like quite shocking we

1:30:35

can see a very small frequency

1:30:38

, really . And I think this is

1:30:40

why we need to think about animals , because

1:30:42

you know , especially with cats we talk about cats

1:30:44

earlier you know they're

1:30:47

seeing things , you know how

1:30:49

they react and their body reacts and

1:30:51

you think , well

1:30:54

, some of us can see it , but

1:30:57

I sometimes do them think maybe it's not good

1:30:59

to see it all the time . No

1:31:04

, it's interesting why these things happen

1:31:06

when they do and the moments when they happen

1:31:08

. Yeah

1:31:13

, loads lots more to think about . Yeah

1:31:18

, but I've decided this year , next

1:31:21

year , I'm going to deepen my connection with

1:31:23

trees and spend

1:31:25

a lot more time in there . I spend quite a lot of

1:31:27

time , but a lot more time just

1:31:32

seeing what comes through and I see it

1:31:34

down and yes

1:31:38

, it's

1:31:40

really special they

1:31:42

have so much to so

1:31:45

much wisdom to teach us in

1:31:48

there .

1:31:49

Absolutely , there's

1:31:52

a . Just briefly to tell you this , there's

1:31:54

an oak tree in the park

1:31:57

near where I live and it's a big , old , massive

1:32:00

old oak tree . I don't know how old it is , but

1:32:03

it must be a protected one , and

1:32:05

it's got like a little seat

1:32:08

, a natural seat on its

1:32:10

trunk , like speaking of a sloth bag

1:32:12

, and

1:32:15

every now and then I'll stand in

1:32:17

the park and I'll sit under

1:32:19

this tree and

1:32:22

ask a question

1:32:24

and , like you say , it will just give me . it

1:32:26

tends to be , the answers just tend to be

1:32:28

so simple and

1:32:31

so mental

1:32:34

. It's really

1:32:36

like oh yeah , that's the obvious

1:32:38

, it's the most obvious thing

1:32:40

you know very

1:32:42

given in a very wise way

1:32:45

. Yeah , that's what

1:32:47

I find with absolutely .

1:32:50

Completely uncomplicated .

1:32:51

Yeah , yeah , although just , they'll just drop a few

1:32:53

leaves . You know you'll be

1:32:56

thinking of something and

1:32:59

they'll drop a few leaves , you know oh , I know what you're saying

1:33:01

yeah

1:33:04

.

1:33:06

Oh , okay , and they are , and I think

1:33:08

they're very central . Oh

1:33:10

, thank you , claire . Yeah , I know we could talk forever

1:33:12

, but no , thank you

1:33:14

so much . It's going on with Chastain . Yeah

1:33:17

, thanks . And yeah , we will

1:33:19

meet up and yeah , be quick . Well

1:33:22

, we're on .

1:33:24

Okay , I'm going to forest of your evening

1:33:26

and

1:33:28

okay , see you later .

1:33:32

See you later . Bye

1:33:37

.

1:33:39

Welcome back . Thank you to my guest

1:33:41

, fran , for sharing her stories with

1:33:43

us . This has been another

1:33:45

great episode , offering a perspective

1:33:48

that challenges the boundaries between the physical

1:33:50

and the metaphysical . Perhaps

1:33:54

some of my listeners could relate to

1:33:56

Fran's account of staring longingly

1:33:58

out of the car window the forest

1:34:00

are not wanting to go home . As

1:34:02

a child , I found

1:34:04

this very moving and familiar , as

1:34:07

I experienced similar longings

1:34:09

in my childhood and driving home

1:34:11

in the back of my parents car from

1:34:14

days out on Dartmoor or holidays

1:34:16

in Cornwall and Wales . Her

1:34:20

journey is not just one of nostalgia

1:34:22

but a testament to the enduring

1:34:24

connections that many of us have

1:34:26

lost or forgotten in the rush

1:34:29

of non-life . It

1:34:32

was really heartwarming to discover that

1:34:34

we had both had childhood memories

1:34:36

of what inspects of light falling from our bedroom

1:34:38

ceilings . I've

1:34:40

never spoken to anyone else about

1:34:43

this experience . In

1:34:45

podcast interviews I have also shared

1:34:48

my experience of seeing a green light in

1:34:50

my bedroom when I was a teenager . I

1:34:53

will probably do an episode about my experiences

1:34:55

at some point . It

1:34:58

was interesting to discuss the blue orbs

1:35:01

too . Orbs fascinate me

1:35:03

and I have interviewed several guests on

1:35:05

the podcast about these . You

1:35:07

can watch episode 8 about fairies

1:35:09

and orbs on my YouTube

1:35:12

channel and see the lighting

1:35:14

on one of these we captured whilst filming our

1:35:16

chat on Zoom with

1:35:18

guest Kate Ray . Other

1:35:22

episodes with orbs include

1:35:25

episodes 5 , 25

1:35:27

and 37 . In

1:35:30

episode 9 and 10 I speak

1:35:32

with Lorraine Wilson and

1:35:34

she shares about what she calls

1:35:36

flying fairy lights in

1:35:38

her garden , many

1:35:41

of which she has captured on film

1:35:43

. The little

1:35:45

old lady that came to bring friend

1:35:47

conflict from

1:35:49

the crab apple was such

1:35:51

a touching account , and

1:35:54

then amazing to hear about her

1:35:56

meeting an old woman at the bus stop

1:35:58

. It looked very similar

1:36:01

, though human sized . Her

1:36:03

experience relates to the fairy

1:36:05

law that they are

1:36:08

shapeshifters who can change size

1:36:10

and appear and disappear at will

1:36:12

. I'm also

1:36:14

passionate about tree spirits and connecting

1:36:16

to trees for emotional support and

1:36:18

well-being . Sound

1:36:20

healing and fairy music have also been

1:36:23

part of my journey . I especially

1:36:25

love apple trees , which my mom

1:36:27

has at the top of her garden . As

1:36:30

a child I would spend hours dreaming

1:36:32

and playing beneath them . In

1:36:35

tree law , the apple represents

1:36:37

the goddess Aphrodite , love

1:36:40

and the love of the mother . If

1:36:43

you count an apple in half , across the

1:36:45

center two stars are revealed that

1:36:47

contain the apple seed or pips

1:36:49

. You can make magic

1:36:52

with these by whispering a wish into

1:36:54

half of the apple and burying

1:36:56

it in the earth . Eat

1:36:59

the other half of the apple as

1:37:01

the buried half pops away . Your wishes

1:37:04

will come true . This

1:37:06

spell is best suited to wishes

1:37:08

for love , health and financial

1:37:10

abundance . Dragons

1:37:15

and unicorns are also believed

1:37:17

to live beneath trees , and

1:37:20

there are stories of buried treasure

1:37:22

being found beneath apple

1:37:24

trees also . My

1:37:27

dearest wish is that this

1:37:29

podcast rekindles a sense

1:37:31

of wonder and companionship with

1:37:34

the natural world that we may

1:37:36

have forgotten , and reminding

1:37:38

us of the support and

1:37:40

guidance that offers . Remember

1:37:44

fairies and nature spirits are not

1:37:46

confined to folk rule . They

1:37:49

are vibrant energies that beckon us

1:37:51

to remember our place in the world's

1:37:53

tapestry . Thank

1:37:56

you so much for listening . My name is

1:37:58

Claire Silvermont and this

1:38:00

has been the Fairy Whispering podcast . The podcast

1:38:04

is researched , produced and hosted

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1:38:47

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1:38:50

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1:38:52

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1:38:54

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