Hi, Listener. This is Denys from Ukraine, your co-host of the Exchange Me Podcast.

My guest for the third episode of the Global Response series has a background in literature and visual culture and is based in Pakistan🇵🇰, where she's working as freelance development writer and researcher for local and international grassroots organizations.

Saadia's previous work has put her at the intersection of teaching, creative practice and interaction–where she has witnessed the benefits of a people-first and co-creative approach towards community engagement and education.

Saadia believes that respect, communication and an understanding that every person has the capacity to create change will lead us to a better and kinder world and is working towards a career in education that engenders this.

What's inside:

00:01 – Meet Saadia! And why this episode;

06:40 – “I want big cars and easy money!” – meeting a 12-year-old boy in a village and why he wanted to become a politician;

08:55 – Pakistani perspective on the war in Ukraine;

12:00 – on 3 Pakistans;

23:30 – powerless/powerful?

29:30 – “Why are you still here? Get out of Pakistan!”;

35:00 – on responsibility to stay.

Recorded on 08.01.2023 (it was also a death anniversary of her grandfather – a figure she admires a lot).

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