0:00

This. Is the Bbc? This

0:03

podcast is supported by advertising outside

0:06

the Uk. Streaming.

0:11

Now a Bbc Select original

0:13

documentary uncovering the biggest crisis

0:15

ever to engulf the British

0:17

Royal family. Narrated by Can

0:19

Bonneville. The kings desire to marry

0:21

and American divorcing sets him on

0:23

a collision course with the press,

0:26

the royal household, and the most

0:28

powerful men in the British government.

0:30

A Very Loyal Crisis Content:

0:32

Abdication Only on Bbc Select

0:34

stream of the free to

0:37

and find out more Btc

0:39

select.com Forward/abdication. Bbc

0:45

Sounds Music Radio podcasts,

0:48

Warning: This episode contains strong

0:50

language. Genius!

0:55

Genius. Genius. Hello,

0:59

Welcome to Evil Genius from Bbc Radio

1:01

Four. I'm already flanked by three talented

1:03

just as if you hear them chipping

1:05

in before their formal introduction. a bloody

1:07

that I opened it was already arm

1:09

wrestle kind and as you can hear

1:11

from my bowels and diction, I started

1:13

life as a peasant and am therefore

1:15

our really diverse shut up the idea

1:17

of her Evil Geniuses easier to follow

1:19

than a suspect dressed in a reflective

1:21

G like. We

1:23

take deceased legends and ask a very tricky

1:26

question: Are they actually as gray or as

1:28

bad as we think? I'm more joined

1:30

by a panel of funny, talented guests

1:32

who then forced about one way or

1:35

the other. evil or genius. Take our

1:37

previous subject the Met a him for

1:39

genius himself, Albert Einstein jocular tongue out

1:41

brain of the century or dirty cousin

1:44

Shaka who spat the mats which led

1:46

to nuclear weapons. The warm up guy

1:48

for Oppenheimer. Have a listen. Decide for

1:51

yourself today. Subject has blood as blue

1:53

as the air in the studio with

1:55

my coffee was one espresso short of

1:57

being complete. bankers

2:01

But will it be a 21 gun salute

2:03

or a trip to the tower for

2:05

Princess Margaret? In other words, is she

2:07

evil or

2:10

genius? My

2:15

panel are, Earl,

2:18

Geoff Norcott, Duchess,

2:20

Sophie Jooker and

2:22

Felicity Ward. Ouch. Australia. I

2:25

was wondering where. Oh, come on. Convict. Her

2:30

guest of her majesty. Bread thief.

2:34

Geoff hosts a topical comedy podcast, What Most People

2:36

Think. Have you ever been shocked by what most

2:38

people think? No, I mean, do you know where

2:40

I got that phrase from was the producer of

2:42

The Master Report. He said to me, the thing

2:44

about you is you communicate through the revolutionary idea

2:46

of what most people think. And

2:48

you know, at that point with BBC Comedy, it was

2:50

a revolution. I went on there and dared to

2:52

say crazy shit that was actually very common

2:54

in Britain. Yeah, and that was the end

2:56

of it. So edgy. So edgy.

2:59

Six series later, though, we did six. Edgy was an executive. That

3:01

was weirdly touchy of me, wasn't it? Yeah. We

3:04

did six series. So

3:06

Felicity, obviously, gracing the stages

3:08

in Australia and the UK, filming.

3:11

I already know from stalking you,

3:13

you've been doing The Office, you've been working

3:15

one of the top directors in the world on a remake of

3:17

Time Bandits. Yeah. Anything else you're in

3:19

the name for? No, mate, there's nothing else. I filmed

3:21

them a year ago. Nothing else has happened.

3:23

Nothing is in the pipeline. It's

3:26

fucking better, mate, because I... Do you think Felicity will

3:28

be doing this once the show comes out? You're joking,

3:30

isn't you? That's why she's here now. You've got to

3:32

get her while you can. No, I mean, you... There's

3:34

an island disk she'll be doing. Oh, yeah. I

3:37

thought you were kidding. No, she doesn't. You say that like

3:39

I am picky. I'll

3:42

do anything, mate. If it's going to make me money,

3:45

I will do it. If you're actually the listener. I

3:47

like you, Will. Anything.

3:51

So, Sophie, you're already working on a work in

3:53

progress for a tour way down the line. And

3:55

what is... We'll go to your

3:57

website if you want to get any details on your social...

4:00

So for Yuka, but you know, what is

4:02

your process? Are you like me just speak

4:04

on stage hope for the best and then

4:06

sort of Transcribe what happened or are you

4:08

a write it out longhand and I'm

4:11

I'm the worst of both worlds. I'm a real

4:13

crammer I'm a real optimist. So I just

4:15

sort of like wait until there's about to be a show

4:17

in the day before I'm like And

4:21

then I like make myself sick right in the down and then I get

4:23

on stage and I'm like here's three I think the

4:25

sort of mania that you have on stage during

4:27

your working up a new show is quite helpful

4:29

But it's not healthy to be in no, but that's

4:31

why I think most people are scared Like if you

4:33

say there's a door over there one

4:35

of them's got a boxer who'll punch you in the face One

4:38

of them is an open spot the comedy store

4:40

most people get punched in the head rather than

4:42

do what we do Well, I did I don't

4:44

like to bring out but did a tour doing

4:47

gigs for the troops in Afghanistan. All right, man

4:49

Yeah, I'm gonna go middle. Yeah, just to be

4:51

clear. It was for Isis Arguably

4:59

the Taliban need more comedy. They get a

5:01

bad press but they know a good

5:03

pun when they hit exactly I

5:05

believe good health care. That's what

5:08

I remember reading. I'm like Now

5:10

I probably know probably not worth it. It's not that many

5:12

people left to care Did

5:15

a show at a forward base and it was that classic

5:17

figure If you know that people I can't do what you

5:19

do Then you find out that they're like a nurse or a

5:21

brain surgeon crazy And so we did a forward base and

5:23

we've flown in on a on a chinook again I don't

5:25

like to bring up all the really manly stuff We

5:28

did love it out by top got ripped off. I was

5:30

I was sweating nice bullets under me. Oh my it's a

5:32

nightmare I was chewing on a cigar,

5:34

but I had a weird ammunition. They made me

5:36

do it I didn't flinch to finish the gag

5:41

Sitting with their rifles facing me and we finished

5:43

the gig and I couldn't do what you do

5:45

And They were literally about to go on foot

5:47

patrol in Helmand province. So I Think it's held

5:49

in too much esteem really? Let's be honest. It's

5:51

not even as a stand-up. I look at every

5:53

other stand-up and go I couldn't do That can

5:55

be in a rude way as well. You're

6:02

going to people who counties stuff

6:05

or anyone else can do Princess

6:07

Margaret should I say I charge

6:09

Margaret Rose Windsor known as more

6:11

guy by a family born twenty

6:13

first of August mixer Leo a

6:16

thing and then a warm up

6:18

it in his kiss on the

6:20

twenty first of all this nineteen

6:22

thirty at glam his castle Scotland

6:24

queen not quite and Santa to

6:27

insist that young black well not

6:29

claim as. He was born. She had

6:31

two children now called Lady Sarah Chatto

6:33

and Lord Snowdon David Armstrong Jones known

6:36

as David Lindley. Professionally she was born

6:38

schools in line to the throne, eyes

6:40

closed in it. But after the Abdication

6:42

of Uncle Edwards the Ice in Nineteen

6:44

Thirty Six, she was shunted up to

6:46

second. The spare is to get that.

6:49

she was second in line to this

6:51

other constitutional Fries some to to second

6:53

I think so. Yeah, is that like

6:55

when you are playing Mario Kart and

6:57

you get let them with the hit.

7:00

A must for a minute states you are

7:02

correct for a festival that in Athens? yes

7:04

there. Every time her sister had a child

7:06

he moved down a peg. Side.

7:08

Demoted every time. As a small child,

7:10

the public saw so little of other.

7:13

There were rumors that she was deaf

7:15

and mute, being hidden away by parents

7:17

until she was around five when she

7:20

popped up our wedding at seventeen. Margaret

7:22

Sell for group captain see to Townsend,

7:24

one of his father's equities, much him

7:27

being such a scumbag that's a little

7:29

political says she was seventeen, he was

7:31

thirty three and married and in the

7:34

hello. He got divorced in nineteen Fifty

7:36

Two and proposed in early Nineteen Sixty.

7:38

Three. The. Prime Minister.

7:41

Eden said that the Parliament would not

7:43

sanction the marriage and that is it

7:45

took place. A bill would be set

7:47

out to deprive Princess Margaret as her

7:49

rights as success in her titles and

7:51

her civil list entitlements said he really

7:53

wasn't. I have allowed to marry this

7:55

guy who's buying in love with. Two

7:59

years after the proposed Margaret issued a

8:01

statement saying I would like to be

8:03

known the I've decided not to marry

8:05

Will Group Captain Peter Townsend. Mindful of

8:08

the church's teachings that Christian marriage is

8:10

in disagreeable and conscious of my duty

8:12

to the Commonwealth, I have resolved to

8:14

put these considerations. Before. Others so

8:17

I see the you know that whole like

8:19

i'm a nice like a sexy but no

8:21

lose your civil lists she was all in

8:23

levels of when years old by now the

8:25

proud he says that sets us up. The

8:27

have really mixed feelings about that. Like

8:29

on one hand of course they were

8:31

lowest stopping women from marrying who they

8:33

want it and on the other hand,

8:35

he was grooming her. From

8:38

the literally given, he was that correct. Yes! I

8:41

still at know it actually makes sounds like

8:44

whole society I sounds like a question sorry

8:46

my mind the jug sense of as people

8:48

that will sadly lot like course sir with

8:50

accidents and not known maga males the first

8:52

is a lot proper not like supplies asia

8:55

with them to level whole not as genuine

8:57

the good looking was you know that embedded

8:59

so no no way the Nobel prize at

9:01

the A's hips is Gibbs is generally now

9:03

I'm in cousin marriage is risky but it's

9:06

not certain and wonder. That holsters

9:08

doesn't. Make family reunions a lot quicker

9:10

than a dog. Way like right? Let's get

9:12

everyone together down that your auntie down the

9:14

is is that gun the mom, don't get

9:16

your brother. The three of us get ahead.

9:19

And ah am it was two years

9:21

off. The proposal says he's going on

9:23

for nineteen Twenty Twenty One now, so

9:25

I think we could. Say. That

9:27

she knew our own mind as she was

9:29

in love with him and she was still

9:31

denies when he won years. Nadeau mind I

9:33

think if is still in love after four

9:35

or five years, that as you wish you

9:37

should be respected twenty one years old. Pot.

9:40

Intellectually engaged to someone who I I started going

9:42

out with him and eighteen. We got engaged when

9:45

we were twenty four. When I was twenty four,

9:47

he was eight years older than me and then

9:49

way. Breithaupt. Ah, when I was twenty six,

9:51

I will mistakes him. Sir Michael. I should.

9:53

I be controlled for you by the hour

9:56

of Ah. Yes, that. Area.really.

10:00

Raising the i Lloyd said to thirty five. Cities

10:03

in the royal family like bringing the constitutional

10:05

stuff. Just a high level equivalent year old

10:07

man get a shotgun. Guy. You

10:09

guys are wrong an held got that

10:11

a lot. Like led by insisted that

10:14

I got away for the way I

10:16

fucking month, assists and sense he met

10:18

comment a photographer and archetype sixty swinger

10:20

in every sense Lance and the Armstrong

10:22

John's they married in nineteen Sixty. he

10:24

would never fight for. Just weeks after

10:26

the wedding, one of Tony's close friends

10:29

gave birth to his child, confirmed by

10:31

Dna tests in two thousand and form.

10:33

Is a main is the Royal Family.

10:35

When on Jerry Springer that is a

10:37

series. I will watch him exactly. You are.

10:40

The. Father and then they'll like. Laps

10:43

little collapses and was it when they saw this as

10:45

a kid two weeks into their marriage is typical for

10:48

the yeah well he two dogs who had been having

10:50

a fling long before they were married. It wasn't as

10:52

who he just station run a good. Financial

10:55

Officer A just injustice happens. I just

10:57

bought a car and went as months

11:00

now does. It was a nine months

11:02

did she know that it was his

11:04

kids It was rewarded. Was founded two

11:06

two thousand and four after. She

11:08

had passed. Respect

11:10

he was able to ostrich out for the next.

11:13

Day. For use. In

11:15

nineteen seventy six pack rat

11:17

see photographed her. At

11:20

her home on the Caribbean island of

11:22

Mustique with long term boyfriend Roddy in

11:24

every sense Sue Ellen, a landscape gardener

11:26

seventeen years younger than half a spices

11:28

fine now isn't it Ladies on that

11:31

And hello the A How this legends

11:33

icon my day. The mass easiest says

11:35

oh odor of this year box mallow

11:37

tosses in her forties season. Authorities and

11:39

he seventeen years younger says pays any

11:42

twenty eight sleep through that is very

11:44

legal. Yeah, yeah really. Besides

11:46

the a friend on Modern Man

11:48

at the Fries various aliases only

11:50

details and was lovely little and

11:52

reliable source for an illegal immigrant.

11:55

Any three at twenty three? Yeah,

11:57

yeah yeah. You know, still in

11:59

high school? The High School and make

12:01

Yourself Jeff was held by for quite some

12:03

other events. I live. Here,

12:06

we can't compare. it employs love this

12:08

soaking strokes Margaret suffered for the last

12:10

of which in two thousand and two

12:13

killed up at the age of seventy.

12:15

One democracy of you guys is Princess

12:17

Margaret was the first member of

12:19

the Immediate Role family to divorce since

12:22

Henry the Eighth. What?

12:24

Were you the first person the your family to to. Explore.

12:27

My own alcoholism, That. No

12:31

one else is done it but I. Guess I explore

12:33

that of first person to leave terror, none

12:35

gunning down with injuries border So as the

12:38

first as a nice my mom's English side

12:40

of agony I didn't know that safe from

12:42

Why miss his grandma for me all like

12:44

everybody knows. Favorite South. and

12:47

not yeah grandpa northern irish thought i didn't on

12:49

either and my great grandma my mum side scotty

12:51

so i'm like. Very british didn't mind this

12:54

sounds he said the pieces than was inevitable.

12:56

For that I had no choice it was

12:58

coming from both sides. I got it set.

13:00

So if you you the first your family's

13:02

do anything. I was the first us the bus

13:04

oddly to have sex for pleasure. I

13:08

know, I know, I know a little. Very.

13:10

Proud metro areas that are. You verify that.

13:13

S five hundred my own. I was not

13:15

really had really. She watches the synergy climatic

13:18

John Cena suicide. Okay, I

13:20

know you have a levin children and I

13:22

just wanted. To assess assess and the made

13:24

his to label suffer illness see that late

13:26

still got to the hillside Jeff apart from

13:28

reading what what were you the first person

13:30

in your family simply because I'd go to

13:32

university I am makes i why we could

13:35

use as of today something that is goes

13:37

out all of a document you up on

13:39

Bbc I play called university is it worth

13:41

it? tell us a year so he spicy

13:43

this looks like a Vw be go to

13:45

university used to be definitely everyone to do

13:47

it and now really expensive maybe once address

13:49

so it's a kind of you know some

13:51

of his reason for that subject. point is

13:54

that he any panisse a study

13:56

by in i think and by

13:58

know Double,

14:00

double first. That's the VA. Right,

14:03

so we have these envelopes where we drive

14:05

the debate forward, little facts about her evil

14:08

or a genius. Who has envelope number one?

14:10

I got envelope number one. And

14:14

it's genius. She was a trailblazer,

14:16

a blueprint for Royal's Divine Convention

14:18

and behaving badly. Hers was

14:21

the first televised Royal Wedding, watched by an estimated 300 million

14:23

people. She

14:25

was the first King's Daughter to wear a commoner in over 400

14:27

years. She's the only Royal to have

14:29

done Desirondisques in 1981. She

14:32

was the first Royal to be seen in a BBC drama,

14:34

The Arches, 1984. And

14:36

she created a precedent with her divorce in

14:38

1978, the first in the immediate Royal family

14:40

since Henry VIII and made it possible for

14:43

future royals to escape unhappy

14:45

marriages and to marry people who have been

14:47

divorced or in suits. Yeah,

14:49

so despite her exceptionally stiff and formal

14:51

background, she knew how to have a

14:53

good time. She had a camp icon,

14:56

she had a gay following, even as

14:58

a child she was following. The Queen

15:00

once said, it's so much easier when

15:02

Margaret's there. Everyone laughs at what Margaret

15:04

says, almost anticipating the

15:06

response to Charles. And

15:09

she was mischievous too. Governor's Crawfey

15:11

wrote that Margaret was often naughty

15:13

with a gay bouncing way about her

15:16

that made her hard to discipline. I

15:18

mean, if only I'd known about gay bouncing, it would have made

15:21

my dad a lot less angry. I

15:24

thought that would have fixed his temper. I

15:26

can bounce away carefully now. That's it, boy.

15:28

My anger's diffused. I mean, she's trailblazer, but

15:30

the trailblazer she blazed was what? That she

15:33

was supposed to get divorced. She was

15:35

on the desert island discs. Where's the

15:37

Commodore photographer? She's the start of

15:39

the much-needed liberalisation of the Royal family. It's going

15:41

to lead to, to Haslet,

15:44

Charles III being more popular and

15:46

liberal. And you can imagine William, he's just going to

15:48

be like, you know, hat on backwards, shanking the mandem.

15:50

He's going to go take it to the... Maybe he'll

15:53

just have a GoPro on his head. 300

15:57

million. I mean, it sounds impressive, I think. know

16:00

good Jim Brister clip good money I mean

16:02

it sounds impressive now what was that as

16:04

a percentage of the global population at the

16:06

time if I had that

16:08

at my fingertips I was under 50% I would

16:11

not want to know me it was just I

16:13

mean to treat that's pretty bad so that you

16:15

know we work in standard you know good numbers

16:17

man good numbers who does

16:19

your phone that's it that's everything except the upper circle

16:21

in it 300 million the

16:24

novelist John Fowls and the poet laureate

16:26

John Betjeman both had the hots for

16:29

her Louis Armstrong whose music she loved

16:31

once referred to her as one hip

16:33

chick and John Lennon and white chocolate

16:35

exactly and John Lennon playfully nicknamed her

16:37

priceless margarine Picasso wrote her letters if

16:40

you knew what I do in my

16:42

dreams with ladies of your royal family

16:44

and your monarchy they would surely take

16:46

me to the Tower of London and

16:48

cut off my head that

16:52

is that is the 1970s dick pic yeah you've

16:54

got a formalist helmet

16:56

all that cubism

17:12

in the shaft she looked

17:14

like a big but his reminiscent of a

17:16

dick why is it pointing sideways it's how

17:19

I see myself when

17:21

her engagement to Captain Townsend was called

17:23

off the Daily Express published a letter

17:25

signed by the great and good of

17:27

the arts world they said they deplored

17:30

the spectacle of the establishment in

17:32

full cry going on to declare

17:34

that these encroachments on personal freedom

17:36

had exposed the true extent of

17:38

our national hypocrisy that sounds like

17:40

a rehearsal for Diana and later

17:42

Harry doesn't so that you

17:45

could argue Jeff you're a monarchist I never

17:47

know who you're pissing about lean that way

17:49

yeah and like the

17:52

royal well I think a

17:54

bit better I prefer to have them than not have them

17:56

but that's mainly because that they amuse me so I'm not

17:58

sure that means I'm the full supporter I just like

18:00

the drama. So she's the one

18:02

who started exposing the national hypocrisy

18:05

that we had and they should live by these

18:07

rules. Whereas no, she's a human being. She should

18:09

be allowed to divorce. She should be able to

18:11

find her own love and that sort of set

18:13

the template. That's a bit genius there. That she

18:15

had the guts to do that. When her sister

18:17

was queen, not her mum, if it was her

18:19

mum, rebellion. But when your sister, your

18:22

older sister is. I loved it. Yeah.

18:24

Like I was looking, I was looking for

18:26

any controversy about her that I would consider

18:28

controversial. I love that she was a

18:30

heavy smoker her whole life. Like

18:32

a heavy smoker. She had a lung operation.

18:34

She had four strokes, as you said. She's

18:37

still puffing away. I just,

18:39

all I have this image of is before

18:41

she's out the front of like the Royal

18:43

balcony, just behind the curtain, just sucking a

18:46

dirty, just getting a laugh bit of it,

18:48

sticking it under a very expensive shoe, blowing

18:51

out the side, then coming out and waving

18:53

to everyone. Yes, please. Drink

18:56

her as well. But she broke new ground to

18:58

be diplomatically. Margaret also dissolved

19:00

the taboo about British royals never

19:02

visiting Ireland. This was huge. When

19:05

she came to Burr in 1961, I can only assume

19:08

it's very cold there. With

19:10

Lord Snowden, who'd spent, who

19:12

had spent childhood holidays in

19:14

County Offaly, great for liver.

19:17

It's hard to describe now just how sensational

19:19

this visit was at the time. Queen Elizabeth

19:22

could never have made the groundbreaking state visit

19:24

in 2011 if her

19:26

sister hadn't peered the way previously.

19:28

That's from the Belfast Telegraph. So

19:31

I mean, that's not just bullshit, fake

19:33

royal duties. That's something amazing,

19:35

isn't it? That's

19:37

punk. It's not giving

19:40

Princess Diana. Well, come on. But

19:42

yeah, so she did. By the fact of

19:45

going to Ireland, when no British royals could think of

19:47

some of the stuff that went so.

19:50

But still, she is the symbolism

19:52

of it, the representation of it,

19:55

the seeing it Started

19:57

the possibility of heads of state. And You could

19:59

argue was. That led to the Good

20:01

Friday agreement plan. If she's on outliers,

20:03

I will send the cool, pretty one

20:06

First to say that Joyce said a

20:08

spare. Set of yes it's a

20:10

small. As as bad Margaret. Oh right, Yeah,

20:12

oh well. we know not to send

20:14

another one you could afford any could

20:16

afford to lose love and loggers down

20:19

on a bender. The I hear me

20:21

out for Marcus respite of a day.

20:23

Really? nut. Free how he will

20:25

forever avery when they return the angle

20:27

a go piss for a fee those

20:29

are a was saleable says he sorry

20:31

mess on current market is the is

20:33

either red team against it as. Much

20:36

as I listen I just noun phrase food stuff

20:38

rather than if the sender. And about Ah

20:40

yes, Margaret was a great charity worker.

20:42

So here we are smoked is did

20:44

hang out with people who suffered. She

20:47

was a patron of the London Lighthouse

20:49

and Aids Charities and I think it's

20:51

impressive. Than. You haven't heard

20:53

of it because she did it invisibly.

20:55

He was doing it for the sake

20:57

of the doing that she didn't seek

20:59

the press after, for example, Go.

21:02

In with a friend lady Glencore know who had

21:05

a son with Aids at the height of the

21:07

epidemic. Margaret turned up, gave the boy a hunk

21:09

as if nothing has changed. not the present. The

21:11

Us has yet to be operated. So that

21:13

is huge and I think

21:16

modern times we really underestimate,

21:18

Not underestimate. we think get,

21:20

I'm. How people rejected at

21:22

any one who had Aids, anyone with

21:25

a who was Hiv positive move. It

21:27

was seen as a physical, contagious

21:29

disease and and and the a

21:32

whole generation of people. Died just

21:34

been Devil's Advocate wouldn't have been a move

21:36

I do for a to do that visibly

21:38

does Old point was about the when it

21:41

was a boy he's on the record pots

21:43

she didn't do it with the fat the

21:45

that the man said it wasn't like she

21:47

was seeking the policies of the season followed

21:50

what he does seem you motherfucker. Remember this

21:52

is a Royal. Know Royal is physically

21:54

hugging someone with Aids in the middle

21:57

of the. Epidemic that is.

22:00

Symbolically that if Mckelvie. I know you

22:03

want more else could he have done to

22:05

be more And he has thousands yeah through

22:07

in a line at the same time jets

22:09

in smack into a toes. You know that

22:11

we're coming on to that yet habitat a

22:13

hammer about the London Lighthouse she said that

22:15

he was report the she went that visit

22:17

the patience to to make them laugh and

22:19

she did her what without any media attention

22:21

and before Princess Diana was involved in what

22:23

aspiring stand up possibly as a theoretical faith

22:25

low dose outside of I see the ice

22:27

on world has a few minutes it was

22:29

infectious Law. Was about.

22:32

What I did I saw snow, I say this crap

22:34

home with the next envelopes. The citizens had been of

22:36

a loving and a com have that. Are

22:39

them to the most? Buckeyes? Evil.

22:44

She was for normally inside out and

22:46

a total snob. Historian. Dominic

22:48

Samberg said almost everybody you miss a

22:50

commented on a herculean will close snobbery

22:52

me up to a nearby morning routine.

22:54

A map or not, we should be

22:56

judging it. But. It's all

22:58

of our Muslim groups. A bonus if

23:00

is started by eating in bed at

23:02

nine I have followed by two hours

23:04

embed see decided on things that are

23:06

idea that lesser reading the newspapers which

23:09

he less scattered on the floor and

23:11

chain smoking but don't worry shudder vodka

23:13

pick me up at twelve thirty pm

23:15

according to both Upright Bass path midday

23:17

signed by drinking smoking reading the papers

23:19

or mean this is the wrong fact

23:21

bomb to just tell me that assesses

23:23

really Michael then is just scrolling day

23:25

as Rice Northwest. Yeah to get it.

23:27

Get the two hours he got. Kids would

23:30

honor. His voice is it's not real Thankless

23:32

Nis says laughing close boss comes it will

23:34

all look at her live in or and

23:36

solid white but she's not doing anything. The

23:39

oil gallup a dismal thing to wake up

23:41

gov, get dressed people to read and still

23:43

in their dressing. as a half nine according

23:46

to look I'm really are com a sausage.

23:48

dressing gowns are all foods. Do.

23:50

Something Man all we know I'm play

23:52

under twenty one pm on Saturday. I've

23:54

often been I would know better than

23:56

into our our gym Gemma really together

23:59

interesting out satellite. Omelette about you guys

24:01

persuaded to lisa. Vito. It's not quite being

24:03

dressed as the i beg me a hundred thousand

24:05

than I do jim rather than just the on nursing

24:07

and of. The. Lines as if I'm cold.

24:10

Know how you have encountered by a charm

24:12

added to be more rouse the nice had

24:14

that see. I've got a very see

24:16

Terry telling blue. Of will pay for

24:18

in Spokane. I miss my Mikey for his own.

24:20

Are you know or love Christmas? My my biggest

24:22

issue Christmas I is the people don't get dressed

24:25

so you're why they keep fall outside of ritual

24:27

is not get discuss it out get clean. what

24:29

do you need to. Be

24:31

with. My black Sunday breasts does.

24:33

Not have you got kids yet? Are

24:35

you get insides and dressed as well

24:37

as smash of those? Avoid Paul anymore

24:40

here. Bus famous and kids been up

24:42

by three hours on and on Christmas

24:44

time For an economic is that some

24:46

am so. We. Saying that

24:48

she was transgressive, an iconoclast, they

24:50

can broke with issues but she

24:52

loved being royal and she made

24:54

sure no one ever forgot her

24:56

status. She insisted that even a

24:58

closest friends call her mom Old

25:00

times. If anyone referred to her

25:02

sister or her father and conversation

25:04

she would correct them to mean

25:06

the Queen or the King designed

25:08

tix. Margaret the nothing more. He's.

25:11

Reminding people he stays. I mean

25:13

that's just that's what share Doves and Madonna.

25:15

They. Don't side Sexes. Message

25:18

was a different I. Know Britney he

25:20

qualities as Britney bitch yes doesn't look

25:22

at his surname is be a teacher

25:25

ago. Am. And maybe a Margaret's.

25:27

Real. Name is marmalade and that's why says makes

25:29

a friend school a mom I'm so sorry

25:31

for him I said either that would mock

25:33

mom ma'am or se reinforces the reason guys

25:35

boogaloo more broadly used in Britain because is

25:37

quite low some respects a woman's we don't

25:39

really have to in this country have it

25:41

sound it would be sarcastic if you to

25:43

many have you thank you mom of she

25:45

said something been over there are consumed a

25:47

man and yeah no to lose I see

25:49

other fella do so they go yes ma'am

25:51

eating as good a solid a suspect foods

25:53

though you're small in almost nothing is honesty

25:55

from there isn't a mom versus. The man

25:58

yeah my my name on the talisman. The

26:00

man, oh I wish you bring the embassy. Like

26:02

people to call you back. Or you

26:04

like the I think ethic tyson other. Queen Daddy.

26:07

Yeah, only one of the a like

26:09

the film isn't a citizen or seven.

26:11

I assess assess as I type fast

26:14

ones. Why the convention of presenting debutantes

26:16

at Cool had been abandoned in the

26:18

Nineteen sixties She replied we just had

26:20

to stop them Every taught in London

26:22

was being presented as in the telegraph

26:24

movement means issue Sounds like a lot

26:26

of stuff this really campus funny yeah

26:28

people are gonna love intuitively to could

26:31

be thing about the code desert spread

26:33

their thought about it. There's one thing that

26:35

top love to do. It's present themselves. Into

26:37

her Tell me about emphasis. Try

26:40

that hard to the a gay I could he just a

26:43

to be made. And haven't others have said

26:45

see how that. May not like

26:47

might not be as innocent of a

26:49

D V A sees the Dream. Yet.

26:51

She was ice and she smoked and she

26:54

was fabulous. Yeah, and she was involved in

26:56

the Aids crisis. Not involved season. Cause that

26:58

sit on my away on see how in

27:00

a lab seems the lab like invest by

27:02

susan society as well and that at that

27:05

the element of can be used made totally

27:07

transit in a tile very we always since

27:09

we get always end up a Judy Garland

27:11

free to purposes when she was in the

27:13

swimming pool montes a drink or lady in

27:16

waiting would have to climb into the pool

27:18

fully closed to server and they were there

27:20

to kowtow scrape rounds. Medicines

27:23

like and like an eighties

27:25

music videos like something that.

27:28

Bryan Ferry would have women just coming in and

27:30

I didn't know like a bad why married. To

27:32

be fair it was a separate one. Nine I

27:34

quit as you should expect. Submersion system for the

27:37

role of home video digs into Love me just

27:39

addicted to nicotine addicts, the net, alcohol or do

27:41

things over the stuff. If we the citizens just

27:43

a blog do it it it would displayed on

27:45

the almighty someone get in the war fully target

27:48

of a real not of idea but then for

27:50

some reason because she warlock the Jackie O's sides

27:52

and old I agree I'm not a princess only

27:54

and assists and the right to. Keith Waterhouse was

27:57

looking for an ashtray. for a once and ended

27:59

up holding out his hand and she kept her

28:01

as into his palm. I mean I've

28:03

dropped his slice of pizza is an ashtray

28:05

wants and I picked it up and their

28:07

topping had stayed in the ass tram like

28:09

still good so on and I would you

28:12

like someone used with my favorite holiday my

28:14

I use with the who's a lot the

28:16

biggest or you could imagine meeting the biggest

28:18

icon who's your he a reminder dead because

28:20

I Victorian rise. Say

28:23

you met Tire Taylor Swift Current and he was market

28:25

cigarettes. You mind if I just use your hand. On

28:28

my son's come on what? Probably say

28:30

no? would? yeah. Yeah. Let's I

28:32

just said is a material as long

28:34

as being. Also if you can put

28:37

alamo hand opa you do for noise

28:39

out as. Also

28:41

fix the like enrich the

28:43

his associates so well seventy

28:45

chance to see. In your own

28:47

hand as all nine. Ah, say. That's the

28:49

thing about May because I grow up in

28:52

a national parks. we're Very. We're very. Against

28:54

Leader Everything catches fire on Israeli. that's Riley

28:56

like so me you are window dressing gown

28:58

and standing in the thrown out of

29:00

Allah Akbar. Live got an upside l as

29:02

May end it was in London and I mean

29:05

a dressing gown. It was freezing and I had

29:07

a baby. I had a cigarette and I didn't

29:09

have any lot of thought. I had a barbecue.

29:11

lot of sell lighting a cigarette. I'll add to

29:13

the fire on lights at the. Low points

29:16

as crops up on the Ny Cloud

29:18

League website. Assistance on Design and Destroy

29:20

Plumlee Asta Buckingham Palace must be terribly

29:22

daunting place from it's sheer size and

29:25

she replied, well near Buckingham Palace is

29:27

a terribly cause the house. Or.

29:31

This is all stuff that's. Not.

29:34

Great that other north it's evil.

29:37

Exactly stories in the i'm Wrong pro royal

29:39

by any stretch the imagination. I don't think

29:41

that we're sorry death. I don't think that.

29:43

We should have rules when and I'm not kidding.

29:46

As an Australian, you really? I really? I mean

29:48

we're on our. Money. It's insane. but when

29:50

the Queen's I'd and then they said

29:52

all and it's gonna be King Charles

29:54

I'm like. Well. Known as king. That's

29:56

something that you haven't. Fairy Tales. Like.

29:58

Isn't necessary. Like the queen is

30:00

the end right? I thought for some reason I thought

30:03

it would just end You thought she was the boss monarch? I

30:05

thought that that was boss level end of video game

30:07

Yeah like you'd retire the shirt with her

30:09

Yeah yeah exactly Swap

30:12

crowns, swap crowns to the prince

30:14

of Denmark Oh

30:16

it's great that yeah, swap crowns How

30:18

did a football joke? Yes, thank

30:20

you She did get to

30:22

be like a princess till you know like

30:25

the proper princess thing that people would find

30:27

fun Because the version of princess that the

30:29

queen was she always had this thing looming

30:31

that she had to be the state But

30:33

what she got to do the tiara the

30:35

parties the smoking the drinking

30:37

you know The dick Although she was

30:43

She was a princess into a lot older age

30:45

and that must there must be an age where

30:47

you start to go Couldn't we is there another

30:49

word for it? Yeah we can see like princess

30:51

Alexandrina she's 85 Yeah Oh that

30:53

was a bust this year It's like when guys

30:55

are still living like they're in a frat

30:58

house in their 50s and you're like oh

31:00

mate I think you just look lonely now

31:02

I think you got about over 50 because that's

31:04

literally all of them Yeah See well if you

31:06

meet an 82 year old fella

31:08

called Ryan you go that's a cute sexy younger

31:10

guy Oh yeah Oh you can't be called Ryan

31:13

It's like Oh yeah, Ryan didn't exist 80 years

31:15

ago You get the odd occasion even though Inversely

31:17

Ryan was no it couldn't have been existed It's

31:20

80 years ago no The name Ryan No it's a new name

31:22

I don't think I met a bloke the other day

31:24

called Ryan and in fair look he wasn't the

31:26

best looking fella The name Air He just but

31:28

he I'm not even

31:30

bored with you But he was not

31:32

a good looking bloke I thought this got to be

31:34

the worst time in history to be a not handsome

31:36

bloke called Ryan With Gosling

31:39

Reynolds Yeah yeah I mean Ryan's arm

31:41

they're really popping at the moment Anyway

31:44

we should expect these stories to be exaggerated and

31:46

embellished shouldn't we They were recorded in private diaries

31:48

and leaked to the press So life made fantastic

31:50

copy and the appetite for royal and celeb gossip

31:53

was ever increasing So there is a little bit

31:55

of a pinch of caviar we can put in

31:57

these stories But ultimately phenomenal snob I'm

31:59

very entitled Should we, no I mean that's sort of what

32:01

you expect from Mariah, isn't it? Yeah. It

32:03

would be like finding out Mariah Carey,

32:05

if she wasn't, it'd be like Mariah Carey

32:08

said, I'll drive, you know, I

32:10

don't want that from my divas, really. I want

32:12

them to be exactly what I think they are.

32:14

Yeah, but I don't think she is a diva. Like

32:17

with Mariah Carey, even though she has some

32:19

like questionable attitudes towards other people, she sort

32:21

of did sing those songs, sort of did

32:23

have a career. She had... She didn't just

32:25

stay in bed all day smoking and drinking

32:27

and wanking until she decided to tell the other... Look,

32:29

of the two people I'm Mariah Carey all day long,

32:32

Mariah Carey is fully dressed, I'd imagine by nine. She's

32:34

busy. She has a summer camp. Wobbly dressed for her

32:36

is sort of like a little... Well, a couple of...

32:38

Two nipple tassels shaped in butterflies.

32:42

She has a summer camp in upstate New

32:44

York called Camp Mariah, and I was a

32:46

camp counselor there. Oh yeah? Wow. And unfortunately,

32:48

it was the year that she had a

32:50

breakdown. So usually she would visit every year

32:52

and she didn't visit that year. I

32:54

mean, I'm very sad that she had a breakdown. I can't

32:56

believe that. She only had a breakdown one year. Right.

32:59

Let's put us up another envelope. Who's

33:01

got the third one? We're going to need some evil

33:03

here. A few. Okay, few.

33:06

It's evil. She was

33:08

so rude. I

33:10

mean, is that evil? Go on.

33:13

Nancy Mitford likened her to a

33:15

hedgehog covered in primroses. Judy

33:18

Garland called her that nasty, rude

33:20

little princess and staff

33:22

dubbed her her rude highness.

33:25

She was like lame as the... No,

33:27

she was lame. She was really good

33:29

at being horrible to ordinary people who've

33:31

done nice things. Her rude highness, as

33:33

if she wouldn't have just tore these people

33:35

to shreds and they're shitty, shitty burns.

33:37

If we're going to admit, it's two syllables at

33:39

least. Oh, truly. You've got to at least match

33:41

the syllables with the original word. Basic gag writing.

33:44

Yeah. Come on, trolls. She

33:47

is just as rude about the rare

33:49

1836 Madeira that Lord Carnarvon

33:51

pours her. Exactly like Petrel, as

33:54

she is about the coronation chicken,

33:56

served to her at the opening of

33:58

some sheltered bungalows in the... in Derbyshire,

34:00

so she was opening shell with accommodation,

34:03

they brought out Coronation Chicken, and she

34:05

went, that looks like a sick, why?

34:08

To be fair, Coronation Chicken does

34:10

look like sick. It does look like sick,

34:12

it's disgusting, like sick. Maybe it just looks

34:14

sick. But you've got to have, how far off the

34:17

planet are you if you're going to a sheltered home

34:19

being, a sheltered shelter, a sheltered home being open, and

34:21

these local people have done their best. You don't have

34:23

to eat it, but you don't. What age was she

34:25

when she said this? Because I always think that there's

34:27

a tipping point where you start going, okay, that's fine,

34:29

there's various forms of bigotry that you start to make

34:32

more of allowance for. The older they get. In

34:34

old age, various insensitivities. She's in the middle

34:36

age here, I think. That's no exception. No.

34:39

She should have known better. But if she's 78, you go,

34:41

look, it's just what she's like after a kid. Do you

34:43

want to know what happens if you invited her

34:45

over? She was known as the house guest from

34:47

hell, really prickly on protocol, while

34:49

taking little trouble in public to conceal

34:52

boredom, capable of walking away in the

34:54

middle of a conversation, or

34:56

of conducting official engagements glumly

34:58

and in haste. Though

35:00

her friend and lady-in-waiting, Lady Glen Corner says she

35:02

did the gardening and made the fires when she

35:04

came to stay. But if she wasn't

35:07

interested in you, she would just cut you off and walk away. But

35:09

that doesn't sound, that sounds euphemistic. She did the gardening,

35:11

she made the fires. No, no, no. Is she not

35:13

what I meant? I think

35:15

that that sort of alludes to the party side

35:17

of her, or she made the fires. No, she

35:19

literally, I mean, they're an outdoorsy family, so I

35:22

can't really give her a free pass though, she probably

35:24

genuinely enjoyed wondering about the gardening and gathering logs. It

35:26

wasn't like she was doing it in a selfless way

35:28

to build the fire. But she still, you

35:30

still get the same outcome though, whether she

35:32

was doing it for self-interest or for someone

35:34

else. Yeah, but head funding is shopping. You

35:37

know, it's not for painting, for murder. I'm

35:39

trying to work out why she seems

35:41

to get a pass on all these things, because

35:43

all these things are technically bad things. But is

35:46

it because she was second in line to the

35:48

phone, so somehow she's low status within a high

35:50

status situation, so she gets a pass for that?

35:52

Not like she's second status, she is. And that

35:54

means if you're second in line to the phone,

35:56

you could be king or queen

35:58

as the previous... to Elizabeth's dis-disguller. He

36:01

abdicated, his brother became king. I mean, it's happened.

36:03

But she used to get annoyed though, didn't she?

36:05

She used to say, oh, why does my sister

36:07

get a nicer hat? Well, because she's queen. That'd

36:09

be why, wouldn't it? And

36:11

you got an ugly head. Yeah, I mean, this

36:13

for me is a big one. She was

36:15

notoriously and frequently late. Nancy Mitford noted, dinner

36:18

was at 8.30. And

36:20

at 8.30, Princess Margaret's hairdresser

36:22

arrived, so he waited for hours

36:24

while he concocted a ghastly crois-four.

36:26

She looked like a huge ball

36:28

of fur on two well-developed legs.

36:31

Look, I don't know if any of you have seen Lauren

36:33

Hill. I have. And she turns up 90 minutes

36:36

late to every one of her own concerts.

36:38

So it's a precedent. Why

36:40

not just say the concerts at 8.30? Why

36:43

lie? Yeah, I don't know. That I don't know yet. Did

36:45

she turn up in a dressing gown? That's

36:47

what I want to know. Who, Lauren Hill or

36:49

Princess Margaret? Either. I mean, the one thing I

36:51

would say here is, are we really using the

36:53

Mitford sisters as character witnesses in any situation? Well,

36:55

fascism was efficient. Fascism was efficient.

36:58

They get the job done. Trains

37:01

arrived on time. Why can't she? I

37:03

mean, we could say, obviously, Mitford's would

37:05

definitely performed their sentences. You've got a

37:07

good point there. But she was a

37:09

late, disrespectful to others person. Margaret

37:12

said that the huge diamond ring

37:14

Richard Burton had

37:16

given Elizabeth Taylor was the most vulgar

37:18

thing I've ever seen. Do

37:21

you know what it is? I think she's evil,

37:24

but not for a royal. I think

37:26

that's what it is. My perspective has

37:29

changed. Well, I'm like, all right, didn't marry

37:31

your first cousin? Pretty good.

37:33

Pretty good. Legal in the United Kingdom.

37:36

In a lot of countries, not legal. I feel in

37:38

Australia, too. Well, the options are limited in Australia.

37:40

Easy, mate. No, no, I was just saying, you

37:42

can't have a go at Australia for marrying who's

37:44

available. There's 26 million of us

37:46

now, I'll have you know. There's heaps of us. Oh,

37:49

yeah, true. I'm now. She's the middle bit

37:51

more. Yeah. I'm stewing on

37:53

the lateness thing. People that are

37:55

like routinely very late, it's

37:57

when they think that it's a cute character quirk. It's

37:59

not. That's just me. There you go. Well, that's just

38:01

not acceptable. No. Well, I like it. Yeah, but you want

38:03

people to be fully dressed in black tie at night air

38:05

when Christmas morning. Yeah. Yeah. Including the

38:08

children. And doing the mosely march down the high

38:10

street. I will say on that, on the

38:12

Miffids, what are you still

38:14

inviting her for if she's turning up three hours

38:16

late? That feels like- Just say it's lunch at

38:18

2.30. We're having lunch and go, got ya, it's

38:21

6.30. You're early, bitch. How does that feel? Exactly.

38:23

So I married into a Greek family, and

38:25

they've got an uncle who is- so there's

38:27

something like called Greek time, where everyone is

38:29

late all the time. They said to this

38:31

uncle that the wedding started at 12, and

38:34

it started at two, and he turned up at quarter to

38:36

two. So you can factor

38:39

it in. Exactly. You

38:41

just got to figure out what got anywhere to be.

38:43

She's just sitting there getting a little thought. I know.

38:46

She's not got other things. She's not got stuff

38:48

on. Yeah. So what you're saying is a

38:50

lot of people would have earned their Greek

38:53

time by having a busy fall life or

38:55

being Greek. Or literally being Greek. Yeah. Yeah.

38:57

That's true. Mind you, I think, wasn't the

38:59

Queen's husband pretty Greek? So there was some

39:01

Greekness there. Yeah, yes. Philip was packing the

39:03

Greek. Maybe she caught Greekness off him. Packing

39:05

the Greek. What a sentence.

39:08

Maybe she touched a sylvarki or something and

39:10

caught it. Derek

39:12

Jacoby once offered to light her cigarette,

39:14

and she said, you don't get to

39:16

light my cigarette. We're not that cleves. On

39:19

another occasion, someone offered to light her cigarette with a

39:21

match. She refused and said it matches a common. They

39:25

are, though. Oh, I love that. They are. They have

39:27

to be like a burning torch. What's she meant to

39:30

you? Yes. Well, the person went hunting for a lighter,

39:32

and then she lit her own cigarette with a gold

39:34

lighter emblazoned with 007. Mm.

39:37

That's embarrassing. That is embarrassing. That's sad

39:39

much. That's much, yeah. When

39:41

she appeared on The Archers, the producer tried to

39:44

direct her by asking if she could sound as

39:46

if she were enjoying herself in

39:48

Ambridge. Well, I wouldn't be, would I, she

39:50

retorted. An example of her refreshing

39:52

honesty, says William Hanson, or Rudeness. She had

39:54

a personality, and she was unafraid to show

39:56

it in public. She had a hangover, is

39:58

what it sounds like. Yeah. get it, hang on,

40:00

most of her adult life. And also people that oversleep

40:02

and don't get up and shower and go for a

40:05

walk and get dressed are generally quite grumpy, you know?

40:07

You're not happy and you get up early. I

40:10

look back at all the time and I do

40:12

all of that stuff, it's fair. It's fair. Gore

40:14

Biddell claimed that she had once

40:16

told him the reason for her unpopularity.

40:19

It was inevitable. When there are two sisters and

40:21

one is the queen who must be the source

40:23

of honour and all this is good, the

40:26

other must be the focus of the most

40:28

creative malice. The evil sister.

40:30

She's Loki. She's the royal female

40:32

Loki. She was never Loki. Hi,

40:35

key. Yeah,

40:37

but yeah, she's the mischievous

40:39

goddess of mischievous. Has anyone here got a sibling

40:41

where they were either the good or the evil

40:43

one? Oh, I was the evil one. I was

40:45

the eldest daughter. The younger brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

40:47

You're the Margaret then. I'm the Margaret. Do

40:50

you have a sibling that's older than you? Fabulous me. No, I've

40:52

got a sibling that I'm eldest, he's a

40:54

boy. The older ones are the

40:56

more responsible kind of like. Yeah,

40:59

I am that, but I am also the evil one. I'm not

41:01

the happy one. But he's the sort of patriarchally default elder by

41:03

being male. Is that what you mean? No,

41:06

I think if you're just the youngest, like you've got an

41:08

easy life. Like everyone loves you, they're excited to see you,

41:10

you're happy. If you're an eldest girl, you're in the trenches.

41:13

It's true. And also I always think that if you're

41:15

the first person that your parents brought up as a

41:17

baby, they were fucking terrified the whole time. So

41:20

you just remember looking up and seeing these really scared

41:22

people. And then if you're the second one, they're not

41:24

as scared. So, yay, baby

41:26

bounce. What a really three pointer.

41:29

But do you not think you start to perform

41:31

that role once you're labelled as the rebel, the

41:33

evil one you perform? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the

41:35

one that was always like difficult. I'd be like, you

41:38

could say the mean things because people expect it

41:40

from you. I'm seeing it with my daughter

41:42

already. Like it really pisses me off for

41:44

someone to go, you're a diva. Stop being

41:46

bossy. And you think, don't

41:50

Make her, don't try and make her what the

41:52

prejudices are in your mind, because you sort of

41:54

start to live up to the label you're given.

41:56

Welcome to Feminism, I thought. Well, it's the same

41:58

for... No indifferent

42:00

when you're young lads and this you

42:02

tell us your weight, your guy you

42:05

This year feminism say that. We

42:08

are feminists have now part that's because I

42:10

bet he's always get a bite. Some holds

42:12

winner outta here are eager cities as a

42:14

good disappoint women are that was who predicts

42:16

and I will write a man right And

42:18

you work as an electrician Yeah when you

42:20

when you submit the Us to so u

42:22

d he body count up so. How

42:24

come they label say that about sums for

42:27

and let us hope he's an break hop

42:29

from like what are you talking about here

42:31

like a income put his sake I do

42:33

see laces up what are you. Are many

42:36

hundred Nazis that looking at a small he will

42:38

be is what I mean Guiding them up to

42:40

nadil an insignia Go! They get a shaggy elite

42:42

about such a Sit subsidiary a. One

42:45

year or so. But I get the

42:47

point I'm saying is can we can

42:49

we talk to some slack for the

42:51

fact she was constantly labeled as this

42:53

other despair this rebellious princesses lot. Fuck

42:55

yeah I'm going to smoke cigarettes and

42:57

stick a new console me drinking the

43:00

bulls. Look I

43:02

just think that also responsible for their own behavior

43:04

but I think it's good behavior and as he

43:06

sees get sick get slack. I think they see

43:08

as they the. The. Best.

43:11

Has two evils: Well. Earnest

43:13

and that I saw it our i mean I'm

43:16

a young thing I'm now thinking of these have

43:18

their object to be dealt with be mugged off

43:20

in that way because he must have lived forward

43:22

with the law as good but not close enough

43:24

to Lama cigarettes. How disease thought out in those

43:26

moments a zealots is is the light I see

43:28

before me and. I thought

43:30

he would put up buddies. havens a cycling now.

43:34

And I'm always. Up for to her

43:36

got your at the other com and

43:38

in lot when medieval. really quite this

43:41

one's if you to corporate crisis ssssss

43:43

archive of our thing on hold off

43:45

on some cc just accidently showed me

43:47

some of her cards on libel that

43:49

are him but you know. She

43:51

my son's. On. the know to

43:53

just new court for the royalists good queen

43:56

king stance on each box slow bad as

43:58

line of succession reach for armless Jeff

44:00

Norvat, Princess Margaret, Evil or Genie? Well I think

44:03

that when I say Royless I just really love

44:05

the Queen. You know a lot of it was

44:07

bound up in the Queen. And

44:09

I felt that she actually got the harder gig

44:11

but Margaret kind of bitched about that a lot.

44:14

Even though she got to have a lot more fun. So

44:16

I'm going to just marginally come down on the side of

44:18

Evil. Just feeling hard for Derek

44:20

Jacoby and how he tried to manage the next

44:23

10 seconds of his life after. And

44:26

Sophie Jukka, will you have a royal

44:29

name here so the pressure's on? Oh

44:31

yes. The duchy has deliberated

44:34

and has come down hard

44:36

on the side. The duchy is Manchester.

44:41

Partly duchy, to the left hand side. To

44:43

the left hand side. Yeah,

44:45

the duchy's deliberated with

44:47

all our fancy products and we have

44:50

decided that she is evil. Oh

44:52

really? What tipped it

44:54

for you? Okay, I mean I always thought she

44:56

was evil. I just thought that she was also

44:58

just like bland. She's not special.

45:01

Like she's got like wits but like she's got

45:03

just sort of a mean girl. So your

45:06

line of reading is she hasn't earned her rudeness. She

45:08

hasn't earned her back and earned her debussy at the

45:10

Gemma College of Play. We all know people who

45:12

are geniuses who like do terrible things, saber out terrible

45:14

things. But she was just like a little bit, like

45:17

a little press. They just

45:19

like insulted people because she had like a whole

45:21

bucking of a palace to be cosy. Like Beyonce had

45:23

people walking into a swimming pool. It's like on it.

45:25

She does it. Would there be a queue to be

45:28

closed in Beyonce swimming pool? You'd be queuing wouldn't you?

45:30

Oh Martini I've got a three-piece suit on. Can I

45:32

go for one? Ash in my hand. Exactly.

45:34

That sounds like a great check. Ash in my hand. So

45:37

there's nothing cosy about a castle.

45:41

I read this literally about Margaret that when they

45:43

were kids they got sent to Balmoral during the

45:45

war. And the castle will be

45:47

so cold during winter that their water would

45:49

freeze in a carafe next to their bed.

45:52

And all the tapestries in the world cannot

45:54

hate a castle. I think it's bad housing.

45:57

I think winds are proved that's not true when it's

45:59

set on fire. And then they would

46:01

get a peasant to sit on that to defrost

46:03

it as well. Yeah, there would be a guy

46:05

whose job that was. It can be refreshing. So

46:07

I have to come to you, Felicity Ward. We

46:10

haven't had a unanimous for quite some time

46:12

on Evil Genius. Are we going

46:15

to have a unanimous evil for Princess

46:17

Margaret? It's just such a

46:19

strong word for what she is. I think

46:21

she is mare. I think that

46:24

she's like the the goodest

46:26

end of evil or the evilest

46:28

end of good. So I have

46:30

to have you pile up on the scale of your mind.

46:32

I'm going to scale just because she's a royal.

46:34

I'm happy to go to evil. She's a good

46:36

evil. Now, I know. See, you

46:38

said just because she's a royal. I now feel

46:40

like I'm part of something here. A backlash. This

46:42

is how rebellion start. Republican Norco. I'm not. I

46:44

was switching. She was she was a royal. She's

46:47

better than us. Just your switch. Oh, yeah.

46:50

I'm not. Can we allow that? I shall not

46:52

be out. You've already said it. Do not be

46:54

part of this. This has never happened

46:56

after a locked in vote. I need to refer to the gallery.

46:59

Is Jeff allowed to remove his having heard the

47:01

other. And if I'm not allowed to, is that

47:03

BBC just trying to shut down? I think you're

47:05

just for a night. Yeah,

47:07

I want to know. Yeah.

47:09

Yeah. So you're allowed to change your vote.

47:11

You may go. Yes. Yes. You have to

47:13

say my name is Jeff and I have

47:16

transitioned. My name is Jeff and I have

47:18

transitioned my vote my vote. But cut it

47:20

off in the edit before my vote. Well,

47:22

that's it. Princess Margaret. Not unanimously. Thanks to

47:25

the flip flapping a dilly dallying of the

47:27

liberal elite. Yes. Jeff Norcott. I was coming

47:29

there. I wasn't comfortable. But she is still

47:34

evil. That's it. Thank you very

47:36

much to my wonderful panel, Sophie Duker, Felicity

47:38

Ward, Jeff Norcott. And thanks for listening to

47:40

Evil Genius from BBC Radio 4. If you're

47:42

looking for more, you can listen to all

47:44

our past episodes on BBC Sounds. Can you

47:46

lower your hand please, Jeff? The ash is

47:48

missing it. I'm

47:55

Natalie Cussody. And I'm Joanna P. Now you

47:57

might know me as Sonia from EastEnders. And

47:59

Stacy. from Gavin and Stacy. And while

48:01

sometimes we are on the telly, mostly we

48:03

just love watching it. So that's what we're

48:05

talking about in our podcast, Off The Telly.

48:07

We're chatting about shows we just can't miss

48:09

and the ones that aren't quite doing it

48:11

for us. That comes for Telly, we can't

48:13

get a nuff of. And things we know

48:15

we shouldn't watch but we just can't help

48:17

ourselves. And we'll be hearing about all the

48:19

telly you think we should be watching and

48:21

talking about too. No judgment here. Well, a

48:23

bit. Join us for Off The Telly. Listen

48:26

on BBC Sam's.