In episode 4 of Everyday Experts, you'll meet Gary Ferrar, a New Yorker who runs his own business as a magician and mentalist for corporate, social, and theatre settings. You'll learn how Gary pivoted from his degree in theatre to a career as a self-taught magician, and why repetition and failure is so important in learning new tricks. In a job that's all about audience reactions, you'll learn how he picks up on subtle cues in human behavior to make every effect a success.

Our main conversation took place in early 2020, just a couple of months before the world shut down and live performances ceased to exist due to COVID-19. In our follow-up conversation, held at the end of the year, you'll hear what happened to his career in mentalism when IRL magic was no longer possible.

You can watch some of Gary's work on his YouTube channel , book a show for yourself or friends on his website, www.ahrealmagic.com, or follow him on Instagram.