We open with a snippet of "Light in the Suffering," a track from the Philly post-metal cello doom band Oktas's 2022 record The Finite and the Infinite; a mournful congregation of four talented musicians that is nothing short of a sonic masterpiece. As huge fans of Oktas, Ben and Jeff were honored to interview the entire band--Agnes, Bob, Carl, and Ron-- in person at Surreal Sound Studios in Philadelphia. In a free flowing conversation, we dip into the origin story of this truly unique heavy band. From tales of cutting teeth in Philly's hardcore, metal, post-rock, and Agnes fascination with cello in heavy music (we send our deepest thanks to Bob's wife Nicole for connecting her with the guys!). Oktas then takes us on the road with them--we absolutely love the vicarious enjoyment of tour stories--and this interview doesn't disappoint. We also get a chance to talk to Bob about his poetic lyrics on the Carl Sagan inspired title track and hear briefly about Agnes's passion as a longtime music teacher in Philly's school system. We left this interview feeling inspired and our thirsts well quenched (cheers!). Thank you to the Oktas for having us. Please enjoy!