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Welcome to Ella Go . My name
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is Lisa . Join me on
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the journey in having real raw
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and uncomfortable discussions
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about fitness , health and
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everything in between , because
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, let's be honest , this journey
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would suck if we don't get our shit
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together . Okay
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, welcome back to the Elego Podcast
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. Today's guest is Dana
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Anello . Welcome , dana
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.
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Hey , lisa , thank
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you so much for having me .
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I'm happy to have you here . Dana
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is pretty badass and I want everyone
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to know what she's laughing , because she's
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very modest , but she is badass and
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that's why I have her here . So , dana , why
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don't you introduce yourself to everyone
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and where you're from , and
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why do I think you're such a badass ?
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Sure . So
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I currently live in Northern New
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Jersey , so I've
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been here now for 14 years . I'm
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originally from Buffalo , new York
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, go Bills I'm a huge Bills
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fan , so I always have to get my Go
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Bills in A
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shout out to my hometown . And
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so I'm the head coach and founder of Jersey Women Strong . We're an all-women's
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running multi-sport boot camp community outreach
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group based here
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in northern New Jersey , bergen
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County , but we do occasionally get people outside
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of Bergen County . We're about
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15 minutes north of the George
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Washington Bridge , just to put it in perspective
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.
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Yeah , now I get it . Now , I see I
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already know where it is Okay . No
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, seriously , you're from downstate , you know exactly
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where that is Okay . Um so
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, Dana , how did you get into running
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and why did you do it Okay
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?
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So it's kind of a funny story actually
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. Um , I was an athlete
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my whole life . I was a competitive swimmer
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, played a bunch of different sports and
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I I went on to swim in college . I swam
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collegiately and my swim
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coach was a
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triathlete and
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because she was a triathlete
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, she always , in our , in our
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preseason and off season , encouraged us
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to stay active and
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so we did some running and
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she really
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uh , probably in the first off season
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I was there , she got me into running
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a little bit more and into cycling , and
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so I basically progressed
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into triathlon . To
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be honest , I didn't really
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love running , um
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, I loved running short
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distances . Um , I played softball
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in college and I played
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one year of college softball as well
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, and so short running was kind
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of my thing , long running not
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my thing , but I really fell
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in love with it . As I progressed through the sport
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of triathlon , I
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fell in love with running and just
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kind of did that . I had probably
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10 to 15 years of doing
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triathlons . I still
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do them occasionally , but I
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did take a nice long break when
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I when I had my kids , but I kept running
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.
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So OK , and you're still doing it , and that's amazing . Yes
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, so I know that . For
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those of you who don't know , I actually reached out
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to Dana because I had a lot of questions
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in regards to
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her club and what she's
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doing . I actually saw
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Dana's name on our RCA Facebook
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group and it's amazing how many
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people you can meet in that group . Jersey
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Women Strong is a
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club that you started . Why
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did you start the club
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? And , based on our conversation
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and your website , it has
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grown tremendously . So
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why did you start the club and how did
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you grow it ?
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you grow it , yeah . So I have been involved in coaching really again probably
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since the end of high school and into college . I
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coached swimming , age group swimming , so little kids up
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through master swimming . I co-founded
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a master swim team back in Buffalo that's actually
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still functioning today , which is pretty awesome
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, and so I coached kind
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of all along the way . I have a degree
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in exercise science and a degree in physical therapy
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, so that kind of realm was
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always my thing . But
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, as happens right , I started a
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family and things
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just took us to different places and
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so , kind of after I
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had my kids and started to settle again
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, I got back into
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training , a little bit personal training , and
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at that time actually we were up
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in West Point , new York , and I started
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working at the gym there and actually started
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a small running club there that actually grew
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into a big running club . But we left West
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Point and ended up in New Jersey and
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honestly it was
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a really tough move . Didn't
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know a lot of people , didn't
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have a lot of friends , but
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I knew that running
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and fitness and exercise
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brings people together
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. So I
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decided to do a
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couch to 5k type program
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, um , and I convinced
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friends who
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really hadn't run before , but people who
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just did it because I asked them to
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do it . Uh , I convinced them
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to to train for a 5k . We
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did a nine week program . That was
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back in the summer of 2012
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. So we ended up having 20 plus
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people join that group
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. We trained for a 5k over
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the summer . They did the 5k
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and at that point , honestly
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, I didn't have , I wasn't
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sure what was next . I knew I wanted to
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continue to do it , but I didn't know what that would look
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like , honestly . And
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we finished and , as happens
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with runners and
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people doing the sport , they
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were like what's next ? So we
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continued , we trained for another
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5K , some of them went on to do a
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10K and within
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kind of a couple cycles of running , like
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an eight or a nine week training program , we
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decided we'd become a year round program and
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from there we've
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just continued to grow
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, and I think one of
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the nice things about our group
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, too , is we do do a
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lot of community outreach , so
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that gives people a lot of connection
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as well . So it's not just running . We
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do have opportunities , usually
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monthly , if not more than once
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a month , for people to do things in their community
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We've morphed into
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. We have people doing triathlons and ultra
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marathons , but we have walkers , we have people
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that choose not to compete . We
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have a bootcamp . That's kind of attached
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to our program now . So
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it just organically grew
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, just kind of focusing on that . It
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just organically grew over the years
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.
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That's amazing and you know , I think
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that you know , as women
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, um , there's something to be said
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to be a part
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of a tribe of women , because working
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out is intimidating for some women and
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when you're with other women , you
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feel like , oh , wow , I'm not the only one
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. Or you know , oh , I'm accepted
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, you know , I'm part of this group
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. I can't just imagine how
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empowering those women feel
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to be part of that group .
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Yeah , I think they do and
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I think that that's why we've
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been able to continue to grow . I
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think , no matter what , it's intimidating
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but having
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an all women's team does
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break down the barrier a little bit for
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some of those women . But I see
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it when people come for the first time
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and they're kind of tiptoeing
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out of their car over
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to the group , and so
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I know that feeling and especially
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, I think , for women who maybe didn't grow
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up around sport , I think
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it's more intimidating . So
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now having so
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many people come in that that were not athletes
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at all and started running in their
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forties and even fifties I mean we had
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women that picked up running in their fifties . So
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once they see that and
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hear that , it's just completely
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, I think , inspiring to them .
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Oh my God , I mean you're saying that
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it's just , it's like , I
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guess for me , you know , and I resonate
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with a lot what you're saying to
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be part of this group and then when you hear
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that women in their 50s and 60s I
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mean even 60s , starting
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to when they
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are running together
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, you all are running together or walking together
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or doing any type of sport together , I am
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, I'm going to assume that long lasting
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friendships are forming , as that's happening
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.
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Yes , I mean , that's really what it's all about . We have
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such a you
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know , diversity of age , ability
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, life experience , job experience
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, so we always talk
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about we kind of joke , we say what happens
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on the path stays on the path A
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lot of conversations that happen out there
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. A hundred percent . It
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really is very therapeutic . It's
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very therapeutic and
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there have been some very close bonds . We've had
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people who move away and
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stay connected to us and we
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share race photos . You know people running
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down in South Carolina and California
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, and so it's a really , a
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really strong bond , I think people have
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being a part of the group .
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I love that . I love that . Okay
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. So I know you kind of mentioned
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this a bit . You said that this is multi-sport
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. So there's running . You
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said there's walking triathlons
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. What else
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I mean would those women
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all have to like ? I mean , do
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you have , like your running ladies
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and then you have your triathlon
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ladies , or do they mix
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with each other ? What does that look like ? Membership
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?
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So we do have triathlon specific
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memberships , groups in the area . So we have
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some
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of those people that they'll join in with us . But
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if we have people
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who are training for a triathlon , we try to pair them
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up and maybe they'll go out on rides together
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. We've focused , we've done
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triathlon training programs . I've
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mostly circled back to strictly
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sticking with running now
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because it became complicated
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to do that . You know , to have
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the triathlon group and the running group and stuff
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. But we do have people that'll go
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out for rides together or open water
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swims together and things
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like that . I would say primarily running
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and fitness . You know , just overall fitness
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is our thing . But we have
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people doing ultra marathons . We have someone
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training for a 50 miler right now
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. So we run the gamut
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of anything where it's forward
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motion . That's what I tell people . It's
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not about speed or
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just you know , it's about
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forward motion .
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Okay , dana , so you
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kind of triggered me , because isn't that such
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? I always say one of the hardest
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things about especially
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coaching new folks
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, new women , women that are new
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to running , is wanting
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to go faster and focusing
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on the speed and focusing on distance
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. And
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focusing on the speed and focusing on distance how do you , as a coach , try to break
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that cycle ? Because , I mean , this is how you get injured
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. You're going faster than you need to and
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it's like this is a journey , ladies , it's
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a journey . Where are we going ? How
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do you , as a coach , break that
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type of mindset ?
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You end up sounding like a
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broken record . That's exactly
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yeah , you know that's just , and
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we talk about them . They laugh at me because
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what I'll do oftentimes I
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talk about this probably incessantly Like hey , you guys , you need to 80
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, 20 , right , like 80%
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of you're running a conversational pace A
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lot of times . What I'll do now is I'll
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find another coach that says that and
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I'll share it . You know , in the Facebook
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group or I'll . I'll oftentimes
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even to like , I'll , I'll
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find an article with with one of the
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top runners , olympic runners , and I'll show
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them their race time and
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their training time
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, like a lot of times , and they'll talk about in
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those articles . They'll talk about , hey , training pace
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, you know Karagash or whatever , whoever
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it might be , and their training paces
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. You know 839 minute miles , maybe
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930 . I'm like you guys
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, you know this is what they're running and
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this is what they're running most of their
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miles and a
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lot of times then it clicks a
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lot of times and it click , but it's counterintuitive
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. I mean , you , you know , we know
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cause , we know the science , but
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saying to people
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you have to go slow to get fast
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is a very hard thing to understand
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when you're actually have to implement it .
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Okay , I'm not alone in this . No , all
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right . So , as a running coach
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for women over 40 , what
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is the biggest misconception
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for women running over 40
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?
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Well , I mean , I think I
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would say the biggest misconception , especially
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if you haven't been a runner , is that you can't start
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running . You can't be a runner , you didn't have that
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background , and I personally , I think
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that couldn't be . You know , further from
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the truth . Some of our best runners
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started running later in life
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. Um , maybe they're
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not as as broken down , they're
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not as jaded as those of us who have
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been competing for the rest of
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the entirety of our lives , but
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it always creeps up like , well , you
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can't run because you're going to get injured
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and running is bad for your knees
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and all of that , and so
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it is a lot of talking through that
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and listen , sure , running can
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be hard on your knees . Running can be hard on anything
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, just like anything else
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, though . So it's not just about
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running . It's about recovery and
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preparation
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and warm up and taking care
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of your body outside of running as well .
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Yeah .
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Yeah .
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All right . So , with
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that being said , what
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are a few things that women
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over 40 need to pay
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more attention to when it comes to running
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, that they did not focus , you
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know , on in their early years , because even
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though , like you said , you can always start
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, but let's be honest , we're older
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, you know . Then we got menopause
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and we got a whole . You know we got a life
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, we got stress . All those things are happening
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versus when we're in our 20s . So
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what are some of the things that you know as
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some tips that if there's a
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woman who's in her 40s thinking of going
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into running , what are some tips that you can provide
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to her ?
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I would say , paying attention to
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that recovery time , taking some
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time to do mobility , whatever
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mobility looks like for you , a
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little bit of stretching , lots of hydration
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, I think that's super important . I
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would say the other important thing um
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being myself , you know , going through my forties
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and I'm 52 now . So , um
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, yeah , we're tired . We're
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just more tired . There's a lot more
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stress . So
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I think stress management is
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super important . I think sleep is super important
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. So , this is something that I talk about not just
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with my runners , but my personal
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training and nutrition clients . I
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often say to them like all
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the salad in the world is not going to
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make up for you sleeping five or six
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hours a night , so
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it's it's hard to put that higher on
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the list of taking care of yourself
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. Um , because it's
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not as appealing right
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it's appealing to be like I'm going to eat salad
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and chicken and to
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a point , it's easy , it's black and white , but
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saying I'm going to work on my sleep or I'm
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going to work on my stress , it sounds so
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vague and big . So
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that's really . What I would say is
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that it's a think of this as a
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whole training and a whole lifestyle
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change . Right , we don't want to just
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think about running .
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Yeah , absolutely . I like that . You said lifestyle
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change . It's a lifestyle . It's not like
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this end goal . I was just saying that this
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morning to my ladies . This
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is a journey , ladies . Okay , it's not
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an end goal , and I think that when
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you put that in your mindset
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, you're more apt to be
17:46
to enjoy it , you
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know . So , okay
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, let's do a speed round
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of things women say to
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themselves . And this is kind of new . I wanted
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to try something new with you . So
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this is a speed round of things
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women say to themselves , or
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to a coach a running coach when
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it comes to running . So first
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one I am too old to run .
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People who say they're too old to run . Go
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to just watch a
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local 5K and
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watch the people coming across the finish line
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. It will change your entire
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perspective . You're absolutely
18:30
never too old .
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Yeah . So I just had one of
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my runners volunteer
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at a marathon she's training for a marathon
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and she said the exact
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same thing she's like different sizes
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, different ages . It was like
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I couldn't believe . I mean , it's so
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empowering . I always say to these women
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do you know how many times I've been passed by a
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70 year old person ? Yeah , yeah
18:56
, happens . Yes
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, I love that about running . Okay , I
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am too slow to be a runner . How many
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times do we hear this ? I'm too slow , I'm not a runner
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, I'm considering myself a runner .
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I'm too slow , oh , man , that's
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such a common conversation and
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, yeah , as a coach , it's hard . It's hard to hear
19:13
that and we have a Facebook group
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and people will say , oh , I ran super slow today
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and I'm like you guys , let's take that word
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out of your vocabulary Slow like
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slow compared to what there's no
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slow . Right , there's slow
19:26
compared to what there's people that
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aren't doing any kind of movement
19:31
. So any again . I go circle
19:33
back to forward motion , one
19:35
foot in front of the other . You are moving forward
19:37
every single time . You go out for a run
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or move out for , or go out
19:42
for a walk , and um , there
19:44
is no slow .
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Yeah , absolutely . Um , okay
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, Running after 40
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and I hear this a lot running
19:52
after 40 will make me more prone to
19:54
injuries .
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Yeah , I mean , I just don't think if
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you do some research on this , I just don't see
20:01
that there are without guidance
20:03
. I do think
20:28
it's important to do those things with guidance
20:30
, but I think we'd
20:32
be hard pressed to find that the
20:34
pros you know that the cons would
20:36
outweigh the pros in that department
20:38
.
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I like how you said no
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movement . You're absolutely
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right . No movement is worse . I
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mean , how is that not the truth , right ? Okay
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, I only need to run to keep me
20:51
fit and healthy .
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Well , listen again . There's
20:57
many , many pieces in
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the journey to health and
21:02
lifestyle transformation . So
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if
21:06
you run and then you're sedentary
21:09
for the rest of your life and don't pay attention
21:12
to your nutrition and hydration , then
21:16
that's not necessarily what we
21:18
want . So I do try and that's one of the
21:20
things in my coaching , and I'm sure you do
21:22
this too . Lisa , you're
21:24
whole , the whole body , the whole
21:26
picture . You know your nutrition
21:29
, your physical activity , your community
21:31
, the . You know your stress level , the
21:33
things that you surround yourself with . So
21:35
and I know that can feel overwhelming
21:38
sometimes like I just want to run and that's
21:40
it .
21:40
That's enough
21:49
to focus on . But I try to look at it as this is
21:51
a big picture thing and we have to address
21:55
kind of all of those things
21:58
in our life . Am I
22:00
going to lose everything that I did
22:02
in the last couple of days because now I can't
22:04
run ? You're telling me I can't run , Lisa , because I'm sick
22:06
and I don't want to lose all
22:08
that work that I did . What
22:12
is your response to that ?
22:13
Well , listen , it takes a long time to
22:15
undo the miles
22:17
and miles that you've likely put
22:19
in , and
22:23
I do think there's a balance right . You have to
22:25
know when you'd be better off going for that run
22:27
versus staying
22:29
in bed and sleeping it off
22:31
, whatever it might be . So I don't know that
22:33
there's an exact answer to this , but
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your mind is a very powerful
22:38
thing . So if you think
22:40
that you're going to lose
22:43
everything by taking off two
22:45
or three days , then
22:48
that's a barrier . We have to get over that barrier
22:50
and talk through and think through
22:52
Like you could . You know maybe you've
22:54
been training for months and missing
22:56
two or three days is certainly not going
22:58
to derail you . But if you
23:00
think it will derail you , that's
23:03
a big part of it . But
23:06
if you think it will derail you , that's a big part of it . I mean , some
23:08
of the the strongest athletes I've had have run marathons , coming back
23:10
, you know , after injury or coming
23:12
back after illness and the really only
23:14
thing powering them through . Because if you look at
23:16
the training , strict training
23:18
and I've seen this with a lot of athletes certainly
23:21
didn't get in the mileage that would have been
23:23
ideal , but they get themselves across
23:26
the finish line because they're so strong mentally
23:28
. So I think we really , as
23:30
women , have to pay very close attention
23:32
to our self-talk .
23:34
Oh my God that's a
23:36
big one , the negative self-talk
23:39
that women , um you
23:42
know , say to themselves while running
23:44
. I mean especially
23:47
women who don't I'll never
23:49
forget . One woman said so
23:51
. I have to run outside . People
23:54
are going to look at me . I'm like , yeah
23:56
, that's kind of how it works
23:58
. You know , it's
24:00
sad that that is what
24:03
we're thinking , and some women are thinking
24:05
that they don't even feel comfortable
24:07
to run outside , but
24:09
nobody else is doing it . You're
24:11
the one running . They're sitting in the cars watching
24:14
.
24:14
They're not doing it Right . You
24:17
know , I think , especially for older women . I mean , that's
24:19
the society that they grew up in and
24:22
so , you know , women kind
24:24
of unseen , unheard , and so it's
24:27
a hard thing to break , it's
24:29
a hard habit to break , but it's a conversation
24:31
we definitely have and and hopefully
24:33
being in a group really
24:35
does help break those barriers . I
24:38
was just thinking .
24:40
I was thinking of another one um getting
24:43
your clients , your athletes
24:45
, to rest . Like
24:47
that's hard . It's hard
24:49
to rest and do some
24:51
cross training and
24:54
the importance of that .
24:56
Yeah , it is . It's very
24:58
hard to get , to get people
25:00
to rest and , again
25:03
, I think the only way to
25:05
get through is to just keep talking
25:07
about it . You know I just just try to
25:09
talk and educate . You know , share
25:12
what I I believe through
25:14
my training I share a lot
25:16
of uh podcasts and other
25:18
coaches and just try to get people
25:21
to to see what the science says
25:23
. I think for me , I always
25:25
try to get people to circle back to
25:27
the science because I think
25:29
that that really helps
25:31
to ring a lot of . You know it kind of like the light
25:33
bulb lights up when you can see oh
25:36
okay , this was studied and we
25:38
can see cause and effect here .
25:42
Yes , yes , okay . So
25:44
, dana , this was great . I love all
25:46
the . You know the things that you're doing
25:48
with your ladies . I was
25:51
following you on Instagram and I
25:53
feel so empowered , just like looking at the photos
25:55
and all these women together , bonding
25:58
together , doing these races is
26:00
such an inspiration , and
26:02
what you're doing you are creating
26:04
a space for women to
26:07
feel comfortable and safe
26:09
and be part of this amazing
26:11
tribe . So I just want to thank
26:13
you as a woman to another woman , as a
26:15
running coach to another running coach . Thank
26:18
you for doing that .
26:20
Well , it's my pleasure and I'm so happy that we are able
26:23
to connect and I know that
26:25
you're doing the same thing where you are
26:27
and it's always nice to
26:29
know there's other people out there and bounce
26:31
ideas off of each other and things like
26:34
that . So I'm so happy that you reached out
26:36
and we connected .
26:37
I am too Okay . So what races
26:40
do you have coming up ? Any projects
26:42
for your ladies ?
26:46
races . Do you have coming up Any projects for your ladies ? We have . I mean
26:48
, honestly , we have people running every weekend . So I finally we've
26:50
gotten together and just created a race calendar
26:52
of what
26:55
big events you know people are running
26:57
. We'll have a group training again
26:59
for New York New York City Marathon
27:01
. We always have a bunch of people doing
27:03
some kind of half marathon or full
27:06
marathon . In the fall we
27:08
do a pretty big 5K in July . It's an all-women's
27:11
5K over in Rockland County
27:13
, so just over the border in New York
27:15
that's an all-women's 5K . So we'll have that
27:17
coming up and
27:20
we just continue our monthly
27:22
outreach . We work with the group Project
27:25
Kind and it's a homeless
27:28
outreach based out of Newark , new
27:30
Jersey , which is about 40 or so minutes
27:32
from here . So we just continue
27:34
to do that and look for other
27:37
opportunities to get involved
27:39
.
27:40
I love it . I love it Okay , so where can
27:42
people find you ?
27:53
I know you're on social
27:55
media . Can you just let
27:57
us know what are those social media
27:59
platforms that you're on ? Dana Anello on Instagram
28:02
and Dana Anello on Facebook , so
28:04
come give us a follow and
28:06
you can . Also
28:08
, if you want to reach out through email
28:10
, you can reach me at Dana at JerseyWomenStrongcom
28:13
.
28:14
And we're going to have all of Dana's links
28:16
on the show notes how to get
28:18
a hold of her if you're in New Jersey . I'm
28:24
sure I know there's women in New Jersey listening to the podcast . So if you are like , wow , I didn't know
28:26
that there's this , this is , this group
28:28
is is there , now you know how to get
28:30
ahold of Dana . So , dana , thank you again
28:32
for coming on the show . I'm
28:34
so glad that we connected in the most oddest
28:37
ways . It
28:39
was worthy , worth it
28:41
, and I just wanted
28:43
to talk to you more and hear
28:46
all the amazing things you're doing . So thank
28:48
you so much for being on the podcast
28:50
.
28:50
My pleasure , thank you again for having me .
28:53
Okay , everyone , and until next time
28:55
. Bye you
29:09
.
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