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A high or yet for want to

1:25

see. You know I

1:27

have to wonder if it's

1:29

just my personality or not.

1:31

You know I I my

1:33

self confessed anomalous somebody who

1:35

sees. More. Than

1:37

that is presented. in

1:40

other words, curiosity for.

1:42

Civilizations that we don't know great deal

1:44

about as that's why I'm a bit

1:46

of a my honest. And.

1:48

A detour my in. This is

1:51

used typically for academics me people

1:53

who spent. Their. Career.

1:55

Getting. Their anthropology degree and then

1:57

moving on to become a new.

2:00

Geologists by. Surveying

2:03

ancient sites, excavating.

2:06

And. Become a knowledgeable

2:08

on a civilizations as much as

2:10

we know him and hopefully moving

2:13

it forward. But I I see

2:15

beyond that. I see beyond the.

2:18

Notion. That pyramids were

2:20

just standing monuments to

2:22

the guides and. In.

2:24

Doing so, I opened up a

2:27

little bit of a pandora's box

2:29

because it forces me to. Collect.

2:32

The current science. A

2:34

Behind the building of a

2:37

pyramid, behind the artifacts that

2:39

we see a museums behind

2:41

the buildings the civic Centers,

2:44

the construction of a. Pyramid.

2:46

Temple and so on. Why

2:48

it was built for What

2:50

purpose? Is. There more than

2:53

just a decorative. Columns.

2:55

The The. Roofs

2:58

designed the the. Architectural.

3:01

Design behind. A.

3:04

Temple. And. This

3:06

is always the we have been.

3:08

I just sat just wired to

3:11

perceive this and. Today.

3:13

We're looking at the Giza plateau.

3:16

Are also looking within the plateau.

3:19

The. Buildings that surround and are part

3:22

of the Plateau. These are The Great

3:24

Pyramid. This. Is the

3:26

sphinx. This is the As Figs

3:28

temple. The

3:30

causeways. Everything

3:32

that is incorporated. In.

3:35

Those. Buildings. That.

3:38

Are. Laid out on the

3:41

plateau and. It's. Gonna be

3:43

five years in a row that

3:45

we've gone are the agents the

3:47

advantages in a we've gone to

3:49

Egypt and every time I go

3:51

there I'm totally blown away. Most.

3:55

notably by the scale of everything it's like

3:57

the if you've never seen the great cool

4:00

pyramid. It is a sight

4:03

to behold. We are

4:05

like ants in front of

4:07

it. We're tiny. Human beings are tiny in

4:09

front of it. And

4:12

it's just the colossus of

4:14

stone. How in the hell

4:17

they built it? No one has any

4:19

idea. We've never heard from the Egyptological

4:23

community anthropologists. Even

4:25

engineers are baffled

4:28

at how this edifice

4:30

of stone was put together.

4:33

What techniques were used? One

4:35

of the prevailing thoughts today

4:38

is that geopolymers,

4:40

a cement

4:42

mix of glues,

4:47

cements, and gravel

4:50

of a certain type, was

4:54

made in the shape

4:56

of stone squares and stacked. There's

4:59

a lot of opposition to

5:02

that as well because there's

5:04

a whole body of evidence that these are

5:06

cut. And we see the cut

5:08

stones. We see the shaping of

5:11

stones through. Looks like

5:13

saws, ancient saws were used in cutting

5:15

them. But today

5:17

we're going to be speaking with

5:19

a couple of people who are

5:23

anomalous as well, including an engineer,

5:25

a civic engineer, who

5:28

is trained to work

5:30

with building materials. But

5:33

he took it one step further

5:35

and he started using ground penetrating

5:37

radar because he saw the openings,

5:40

two shafts that are on

5:42

the Giza Plateau, two underground

5:44

tunnel systems. And

5:46

this is something we simply don't hear from

5:48

the authorities about. And

5:52

that's confusing. Why don't we

5:54

hear more about the underground

5:56

tunnel system that has

5:58

been detected? by

6:00

the Antiquities Department of Egypt, the

6:36

body of the Sphinx into

6:39

the caverns

6:41

of the Great Pyramid and other

6:44

pyramids in the area, for

6:46

some reason that we don't know. Now, you've

6:49

heard from Chris Dunn, whose latest

6:51

book on the Khufu

6:54

Pyramid, refines his earlier

6:56

theory that it was a generator

6:59

of energy of some kind. We

7:02

don't know. We don't have any evidence of

7:06

the output of

7:08

this engine to date

7:10

because the civilization

7:13

who created this pyramid

7:17

engine is not around anymore,

7:19

there's no blueprints. And

7:22

likely, because the civilization

7:24

is so advanced, that

7:27

whatever artifacts they left behind

7:29

that are in museums are

7:32

anomalous. We don't have a clue

7:35

how they plugged in, how they

7:38

delivered or received energy. So when

7:41

we're in the museums looking at possible

7:43

parts to this machine, this

7:46

mechanism, we're

7:48

baffled. We're probably looking beyond it. We're

7:50

just thinking, well, that's kind of a

7:52

cool gear part or

7:54

a fan wheel or something

7:58

that plugs into The

8:00

wall does is a resonator or something.

8:02

I mean we don't know if you

8:04

remember when we had been then Kirkwick

8:08

on the program his

8:11

scanning of these what he thought were vases

8:14

and plates and what

8:17

looked like dinnerware

8:20

may actually be part

8:23

of machines simply because

8:25

they are cut with a a

8:28

level of precision that is

8:32

mechanical in a way. In other words, they they

8:35

could be part

8:37

of a mechanism of a machine the

8:39

interior of a machine or something

8:42

that you carried around and you plugged in

8:44

in your home. We don't know that's

8:47

the whole problem with these advanced

8:51

precision cut plates and and

8:53

and vases and and bowls

8:56

and they're just too perfect.

8:59

They're too perfect and this is why the dynastic

9:03

Egyptians collected them and

9:05

they're found in various burials and

9:07

various tombs because they were

9:10

they were so amazing. So

9:12

they they were cherished as items from

9:14

the gods because they're

9:17

so far beyond what they could

9:19

produce in those time periods. So

9:23

it's good one. It's gonna be a good one today. My guess is

9:26

engineer William Brown and Trevor

9:29

Grassi who are a team

9:31

of investigators who have spent a great

9:34

deal of time in the

9:36

Giza Plateau. We're

9:38

also going to learn about sakara and

9:42

the Sphinx. We spent a good deal of time on

9:44

the Sphinx and the

9:46

inner workings of the Sphinx, what

9:49

the body contains, the inner portions

9:51

of the body and the

9:55

various tunnel systems that have been

9:57

imaged as well as the

9:59

history. of the tunnel systems

10:02

that we now know about. The

10:05

sad thing about all this data is

10:07

the Egyptian authorities simply do not wish

10:09

to give us any data. They

10:11

know about this, and we'll hear exactly how

10:14

much they know about it and

10:16

get to the cruts of the whole

10:18

thing. So today's program is the

10:21

secret underworld of Giza and

10:23

my guests are William Brown

10:25

and Trevor Grassi. Spring

10:31

is conference season. A

10:33

long-standing and quite excellent

10:36

conference is megalithomania, which

10:39

has been around for quite a bit. We

10:42

have the producer with us today, that's Hugh

10:44

Newman. And you got to

10:46

wonder how the hell does Hugh pull off

10:48

a conference with all his world travels, book

10:51

writing, and hobnobbing

10:54

with all these

10:56

people. So we're

10:59

promoting this very worthy conference

11:01

today and we're going to learn a little bit more

11:04

about it. So hey Hugh, how you

11:06

doing buddy? I'm great Cliff and how are you?

11:08

I'm great. All right, so talk about

11:10

it. How many years have you been doing megalithomania?

11:13

We've been doing it 18 years since 2006, so

11:17

we've been at it a while and

11:19

it really got founded then by myself and

11:21

John Martin and Gareth Mills. John Martin is

11:23

actually my publisher and also an author and

11:26

we founded it with John Michelle. He's

11:28

like a big inspiration for the conference.

11:30

He wrote the book called megalithomania in

11:32

1982 and he's really

11:35

like one of the legendary figures of

11:37

the earth mysteries, ancient mysteries world in

11:39

Britain especially. And yeah,

11:41

so we kind of honour him every year.

11:43

We have a memorial lecture hosted by Christine

11:45

Rohn, who's one of his friends and co-authors.

11:47

He died back in 2009, but

11:52

megalithomania is all about mixing the

11:54

alternative with the academic. We created

11:56

this stage for both schools

11:59

of thought. all come together

12:01

and share this information. So we're

12:03

top archaeologists and also brilliant

12:06

alternative speakers as well and a good

12:08

mix over the years. So

12:10

it's Saturday and Sunday, May 4th and

12:12

5th. It's coming up. If

12:15

you can get to it, it's in Glastonbury,

12:17

England. And I

12:19

guess you could fly into London,

12:21

right? And then take the train? Yeah,

12:24

we get a lot of international people coming nowadays. Yeah,

12:26

you can get in a Heathrow, you

12:29

can get a ride, there's buses and everything

12:31

else down to Glastonbury or nearby. You can

12:33

get into Bristol Airport as well. And the

12:35

reason we get so many international people is

12:38

because we do four days of tours on

12:40

Friday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday with Saturday and

12:42

Sunday as the key kind of conference. So

12:44

people come for like almost a week. You

12:47

can hang out in the weird mystical

12:49

hippie town of Glastonbury, which in itself

12:52

is an experience. Yeah, no, this

12:55

is very interesting. I just was

12:57

looking at your promotion. You have

12:59

visits to

13:01

local sacred sites and then is it

13:05

the last two days of the conference? No,

13:07

no, we do a Friday afternoon tour.

13:10

We're going to go to Stanton, Drewstone

13:12

circles and Stoney, Littleton, Longbarrow. Then

13:14

we do Saturday and Sunday for two full

13:17

days of the conference. Then the following after

13:19

the event, we do Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday

13:22

of tours in various different places.

13:24

We're actually going into Wales for

13:26

the tour on the Tuesday to see some megalithic

13:28

stuff there as well. Fantastic.

13:31

You have a streaming service. It's a

13:34

live stream. And by the

13:36

way, those of you listening, it's only 48

13:38

pounds, which is roughly, I want to say

13:40

close to 60 bucks. And

13:43

that's for both days, correct? Yeah,

13:45

both days. That's an amazing prize.

13:48

Let's give people an idea of some of

13:50

the speakers. We have

13:52

Maria Wheatley, which she's always a good speaker.

13:54

We just had her on the program. Give

13:56

me two other people that

13:58

you or three other people you've ever had. think

14:00

are your keynotes? Yeah well

14:03

we've got Dr. Martin Sweatman, he's joining

14:05

us, he's done some brilliant

14:07

research on the Beccoli Tepe, the

14:09

Lascale caves and he's found all

14:11

the symbolism matches astronomical

14:13

symbols going back to a

14:16

great prehistory and this

14:18

is like a peer-reviewed research

14:20

that he's done so he's one of

14:22

our more academic speakers this year and

14:25

we're delighted to have him, we've had him once

14:27

before. Obviously we've got Maria as

14:29

well, he's doing a book launch of

14:31

a new book, The Secret History of Stonehenge

14:34

and we have a kind of quite

14:36

an interesting like bardic and almost musical

14:39

kind of series of speakers this year. We

14:41

have Gwillam Morris Bard,

14:43

he's like from Wales and he's

14:46

an author on mythology but also

14:48

a kind of druidic

14:51

bard and Annie Williams

14:53

as well as a well-known respected

14:55

sacred music producer and singer

14:58

has actually been researching through

15:00

Europe and Spain and France

15:02

and other places and found

15:04

some remarkable alignment sites that

15:06

people don't know about and

15:09

also Caitlin Matthews as well

15:11

is a well-respected author on

15:13

mythology and druidic and pagan

15:15

traditions, she's got like 80 books out

15:17

or something crazy like this so we've

15:19

persuaded her to come, she's amazing. I've

15:21

actually used her books in a lot

15:23

of my research so we just had

15:25

to get her but we've also got

15:27

you know more traditional megalithic speakers like

15:30

Howard Crowhurst who does work on Brittany

15:32

and alignments and metrology, amazing

15:34

research in Britain currently.

15:37

Terrence Meaden, Dr Terrence Meaden, he's

15:39

another academic, yeah he's talking about

15:41

how you know Stonehenge was recorded

15:43

in the Iron Age by various

15:45

travellers, he's got a new book

15:47

about it, I've just interviewed him

15:49

about that as well and yeah

15:51

a whole bunch of people, Peter

15:53

Nye, Sue Wallace, Adam Tetlow who's

15:55

into the ancient metrology like me,

15:58

Hugh Evans as well who's done some remarkable things. research

16:00

on astronomy of

16:02

ancient sites and you know

16:05

it's just a whole kind of get-together of various

16:07

different people. Myself and JJ obviously going to be

16:09

speaking on the sites of southeast

16:11

Turkey as well so there's a whole bunch

16:13

whole bunch yeah and this is this is

16:15

a really you really

16:17

do need more than a couple of

16:20

days because you guys are going to be transiting

16:22

around all these other locations.

16:25

Will the speakers be

16:27

with the tour areas too? Yeah

16:30

we have a couple

16:32

of speakers come out Maria's joining us I

16:35

think for the Abe Breutour, myself and

16:37

JJ will be in the Wales. We might get

16:39

Maria to come to Wales with us as well.

16:41

Some of us are quite local so we Peter

16:44

Knight I think is going to be running a

16:46

tour with us as well so we do sometimes

16:49

invite as many of the speakers as we can

16:51

because they can just enjoy the sites as well.

16:53

They don't really have to kind of work they

16:55

kind of just enjoy the kind of experience. Excellent

16:58

what's the URL what's the web

17:00

address people go to to get more information?

17:03

Sure so megalithomania.co.uk all

17:05

over you know various

17:08

social media as well so people can check

17:10

it all out. I

17:13

will be posting a promo

17:15

on the Facebook page if you want

17:18

more information megalithomania.co.uk Yeah

17:23

that's correct yeah. That's it okay

17:25

streaming presentations real quickly before we

17:27

let you go Hugh those

17:30

are live and if

17:32

someone can't make a presentation

17:35

do they get a chance to look

17:38

at it later? Is it stored for their

17:40

personal use or how does it work? Yeah

17:42

yeah yeah we everything is archived

17:44

so we have a whole multi-cam

17:47

setup in the venue itself

17:49

we live edit it and myself and

17:51

Miles Johnston who's our film producer guy

17:53

and then yeah it's available straight afterwards

17:55

virtually within a day or so we

17:57

kind of make it fully available and

18:00

that people just use the same

18:02

links to scan through and watch,

18:04

rewind, fast forward through the different

18:06

lectures. Excellent. Megalitho

18:08

Media, May 4th through the

18:11

5th, Glastonbury, England.

18:15

I got to tell you, I was just there a couple of

18:17

years ago and that's a great place to be. So I

18:20

guess, do you have somebody, if someone needed

18:22

to get rooms, do you have someone that

18:24

would help them book a room? How does

18:26

that work for you? Yeah. They

18:28

contact us through the website, there's tons

18:30

of B&Bs, Airbnb's, there's

18:32

hotels on the edge of town.

18:36

It's a fun place to hang out for

18:38

a few days. I can acknowledge that. Everything

18:40

you step out onto the street, there's cool

18:43

shops, there's like a dozen crystal shops

18:45

if you're into that kind of stuff, really

18:47

good esoteric book shops. So it's a really,

18:49

it's a kind of bit of a get

18:51

together. It's like an annual get together of

18:54

all the Megalithomaniacs. I love it. Megalithomania, May

18:56

4th through 5th. For

18:58

more information, megalithomania.co.uk. You

19:01

can get all the details there. And

19:04

best of luck. Thanks, Hugh. Thanks

19:06

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was amazed when I first went to

21:18

the Giza Plateau. It's going to be

21:20

five years ago, and I had a

21:23

chance to not only walk

21:25

around the pyramids, which are mind-blowingly

21:27

large and just a phenomenon to

21:29

look at, but there's

21:31

also rumors I had heard

21:33

a decade earlier about underground

21:35

tunnels in the Giza

21:38

Plateau. What's

21:41

fascinating is that there are shafts,

21:44

vents that go

21:46

nowhere that are visible when you're

21:49

walking close to the Khufu

21:51

Pyramid, to the other pyramids,

21:53

and also close to the Sphinx. My

21:56

guests today have done some

21:59

serious stuff. significant research and

22:03

discovery, not only of

22:05

these so-called anomalous underground

22:07

tunnels, but also

22:09

details of the sphinx, the

22:12

temples that are close to the sphinx,

22:15

and a number of noted

22:17

anomalies that seem

22:19

to be kept quiet by the

22:21

local authorities for some strange reason.

22:24

I don't know why these structures,

22:28

these tunnels are kept quiet,

22:30

but perhaps they're so advanced that

22:32

they don't want to discuss them. My

22:35

guests today are Trevor Grassi,

22:37

who is a research investigator.

22:41

He has produced a couple of

22:43

really nice videos. You can see

22:45

one on YouTube called The Secret

22:47

Underworld of Giza. And

22:50

he's been researching the Giza Plateau,

22:52

the sphinx, and other phenomenon

22:55

noted to be

22:58

ancient Egyptian. And

23:01

his work's fascinating. We're also joined

23:03

by William Brown, who is a civil

23:06

engineer who has

23:08

spent 20 years studying

23:10

the Giza Plateau. And

23:14

as an engineer, has done

23:17

significant under-surface, or what

23:19

you would call ground-penetrating radar,

23:22

both at Giza and

23:25

also a place called Hawara, which

23:27

is the pyramid. But not only the

23:30

pyramid, it is noted for

23:32

having an underground labyrinth.

23:35

So we're going to hear from them both today, and I'm

23:39

very excited to have them. So

23:41

Bill and Trevor, welcome to Earth

23:43

Ancients. Great. Thank you.

23:45

Thanks for the invite. Trevor, let's

23:48

start with you. Your interest in

23:50

the Giza Plateau started when? When did

23:52

you begin to get

23:54

a sense that there was more

23:57

than meets the eye, so to speak?

24:00

Yeah, well, first off, thanks so much for

24:02

having us. It's really exciting. I love this

24:04

show and not everyone you bring on here.

24:06

So it's great. And

24:09

I got started back in 2006 was

24:11

when it really got serious for me

24:13

because I met john Anthony West, who

24:15

I know is a mutual friend to.

24:19

He, you know, was really at

24:21

the very forefront of this entire

24:23

movement of challenging the timeline of

24:25

Giza challenging the predominant theories about

24:27

who built this things who built

24:30

the pyramids. And

24:33

he brought on Dr. Robert shock and

24:36

the two of them really, really

24:38

got me interested in it and I was thankfully

24:41

blessed to have met john and talk to

24:43

him a lot about this he gave me

24:45

all these other books and authors to look

24:47

into a lot

24:50

of people you've had on your show here. And

24:53

so he kind of opened the hole, all

24:55

the doors for me, and ever since then

24:57

I've been really fascinated specifically

24:59

with this thing and with this idea

25:02

of, you know, chambers and tunnels that

25:04

are under Giza, which have

25:06

been discovered by, you know, he and shock and

25:08

Thomas Dobecky in

25:10

the early 90s. And

25:13

so, yeah, it started

25:16

with that. And then I've been researching

25:18

ever since it's expanded into much more

25:20

other fields and but

25:25

that was a couple years ago I ended up

25:27

meeting up with Bill and seeing what he was

25:29

doing and it really was the first time since

25:31

the work of West and shock that I saw

25:34

all this real hard evidence

25:36

of chambers and anomalies underground.

25:39

And so I took a real interest in what

25:41

Bill was doing and we started kind of working

25:43

together over the last couple years, we've met up

25:45

in Giza, two times

25:47

last year, and that's when

25:49

we, we started making this whole documentary that's getting into

25:51

a lot of the work he's done the last 20

25:54

years there. So there's

25:56

a lot, a lot of new evidence

25:58

coming forward that shows There are all

26:01

these, this labyrinth network of tunnels and

26:03

chambers at Giza and

26:05

also Huara, but yeah,

26:08

they seem to be very taboo and not a

26:10

lot of people are allowed to get any access

26:12

to the site and so it's very rare to

26:14

actually get this kind of evidence. Bill,

26:17

you're a civil engineer. What type of

26:19

engineer is that? And what

26:22

does an engineer have an interest in the

26:24

plateau for? Talk about

26:26

your discovery and your interest

26:28

of that area. Okay, my

26:30

specialty as a civil engineer was site

26:33

plan design and

26:35

also construction. I

26:37

was an engineer, design engineer

26:40

for about 10 years

26:44

and then I went into construction and

26:46

construction management. I

26:49

went to Egypt in 2003 from first tour and fell

26:51

in love with Giza. I

27:00

did the two-week tour, saw all the tunnels,

27:02

I mean saw all the temples and everything,

27:05

but I'm going to tell you, I'm

27:07

going this Sunday for another

27:09

two weeks and it

27:11

will be trip number 75 in 20 years. Oh

27:14

my God. Okay. And

27:17

half of the 75 was for my work.

27:23

I worked two and a half years at

27:26

Fionn. The pyramid

27:29

dome is underground

27:32

labyrinth system and

27:34

we did, as an engineer,

27:36

I worked with the site

27:38

plan area, ramp-enetrating radar

27:40

there and then the

27:43

other half always been spent at

27:45

Giza. And

27:48

I go basically just personally on my

27:50

own. I have some financial

27:53

backers that support

27:56

my research. And so.

28:00

I got to meet a

28:03

lot of the people in the

28:05

village next to the Sphinx,

28:07

my personal friends, and

28:09

I gained their trust, which

28:12

is the number one thing. Once

28:14

you have that trust, you can pretty much find

28:16

out anything you want. So

28:19

they told me

28:21

what was going on, we were aware what was

28:23

going on. In

28:25

the recent trips that I've been, I've

28:28

had the opportunity to go down

28:31

underground and physically

28:33

see this network. What

28:36

I can tell you why it remains

28:39

hush, hush

28:42

is because

28:45

of the black market. The

28:48

black market people read

28:51

these underground tombs and

28:54

sell all the items on the black market.

28:58

It's multi-million

29:00

dollar industry.

29:04

I know of them, I

29:06

don't participate with them or

29:10

help them, but they do allow

29:12

me to see many other things

29:14

because they think that, I'm

29:16

interested in buying something and that

29:19

was my story at the time,

29:22

but I've never really

29:24

done with it. My purpose was

29:26

to go in and what

29:28

I declare, I declare it as

29:30

the rape of Egypt, the theft

29:34

that's going on. I

29:38

got to meet the people and see what was

29:40

going on, how they worked, what they did, and

29:42

stuff like that. That's how I

29:44

really got to know that. I've done some

29:46

private grant

29:48

penetrating radar tests myself

29:51

personally, and working

29:54

with the Egyptian government in 2006, we

29:57

did nine large,

30:00

ground-pintering radar areas. And

30:02

that was what my first book was

30:05

written called Giza Report 2008. It's

30:09

been, it's registered at the Library

30:11

of Congress in Washington,

30:13

DC. But, you know, I

30:15

published 25 copies of it. I

30:19

was speaker at a conference

30:21

in Cairo University. Archaeological

30:24

department gave a conference on Hawara

30:27

for the two and a half years that we worked. And

30:30

at that time I gave my book to

30:33

all of the professors of the university.

30:37

And I have not

30:39

published it for the general public.

30:43

Trevor is helping me to try and get

30:45

that upgraded with

30:48

more information, and we do hope to have

30:50

that published. Great. I

30:52

was interviewed with National Geographic's at

30:56

Giza. And they

30:58

published a series, TV series

31:01

called Atlantis, Is

31:03

It Real? And

31:06

that's been my major

31:08

thrust to prove that Egypt

31:11

goes way back to that time

31:13

period. Fantastic. I

31:15

wanna cover a

31:17

few areas. You guys have so

31:20

much data, so much material that

31:22

we can't cover it all in this

31:24

program. But I wanna mention to the

31:27

listening audience that both Trevor and Bill

31:29

will be supplying me with a group

31:31

of photographs that we will,

31:33

and illustrations and penetrating

31:36

radar graphs that we

31:38

will publish on our Facebook page. So if

31:41

you go to Facebook and you go to

31:43

Earth Ancients, you can see

31:46

all those photos and

31:48

information. And it's very

31:50

likely we're gonna have both Trevor

31:52

and Bill back after this program

31:54

because it's pretty fresh

31:56

material. It's

31:59

revealing. and in many

32:01

cases it's pretty startling. So let's

32:03

start with the Sphinx. I've

32:06

had a chance to go to the Sphinx enclosure

32:09

and this is one of the first trips I went to

32:12

back in 2018. And we had an

32:16

opportunity to see the back of the

32:18

Sphinx where there's an opening. And the

32:20

rumor is, and I'm really curious to

32:22

hear from you both, is that the

32:25

Sphinx is itself, the body of

32:27

the Sphinx has various rooms in

32:29

it. But not only

32:31

rooms, under the Sphinx

32:34

there's a shaft that connects

32:36

with this underground tunnel system. I'm

32:39

going to start with you, Trevor. Why don't you tell us a

32:41

little bit about what you

32:43

know about the Sphinx? Yeah,

32:46

well there's a lot just on that

32:48

itself. The

32:50

hole that's in the tail, like right

32:52

next to the tail, that's one of

32:54

the most known entrances. But one of

32:57

those slides we should include is it

32:59

actually shows there are at least six entrances on

33:01

the body of the Sphinx itself, in the top

33:03

of the head, in the back, all

33:05

over. I

33:09

do have some interesting stories about

33:11

the one in the tail where

33:14

some friends of mine have told me, well

33:18

we know that it has been explored by

33:21

Mark Laner and Zahiya Was. They were all

33:24

excavating all these tunnels and essentially what they

33:27

told us about all of them is that

33:29

none of them lead to anything significant. But

33:32

it was kind of interesting that this all kind of suddenly

33:35

happened in 1998 when

33:38

Dr. Hawas was talking

33:40

about being inside this one

33:43

and going down to this unknown chamber and

33:45

saying we might find all this information about

33:47

the builders of pyramids. But

33:51

there's several different, it goes back to George Reisner

33:53

in like 1913 I think, came out saying he

33:55

had done these excavations. for

34:00

months and he was a very professional,

34:02

respected archeologist working there for a

34:05

long time. And this is where we get that famous

34:07

picture where you see the hatch in the head that

34:09

goes into a chamber in the head leading down to

34:11

the body. And I don't

34:13

know if that's exactly accurate, but it seems

34:15

like it generally aligns with some of these

34:17

other things where, like

34:20

I was mentioning John

34:23

West and Robert Shock, they found this

34:25

chamber under the left front paw, which

34:27

may be connected to this as well. And

34:30

in some of the images, I also gave you one or

34:32

two from the Waseda

34:35

University in 1987, who

34:37

also did seismic surveys all around the body

34:39

of the Sphinx and showed

34:43

potentially a chamber under the paws leading with

34:45

the corridor down to a larger chamber under

34:47

the body. So

34:52

yeah, we have a lot of different potentially chambers that

34:56

could connect into the larger network here. And in

34:58

part one of our documentary series we're putting

35:00

out, we talked a

35:02

lot about these scans, which I'll let

35:04

Bill talk about in a minute, the 2006 scans, which he carried out

35:06

with the NRIAG, the

35:10

National Research Institute of Astronomy

35:12

and Geophysics. But

35:15

in part two, we're actually gonna reveal, there was

35:18

another set of scans that Dr. Abbas did, he

35:22

was involved in that project as well. But there are

35:24

a couple more he did right in front of the

35:26

Valley Temple, which is immediately in

35:29

front of the Sphinx. And

35:32

he showed evidence from ground penetrating radar of what

35:34

he called the subway system. And

35:36

so this is, there's a

35:38

couple of spots. There's

35:46

a couple of spots where he showed this subway system and

35:48

then it, yeah, it potentially

35:50

connects into

35:54

some of the other spots we'll be talking about.

35:56

When you say subway system, I mean, that sounds

35:59

like a big tunnel. that

36:01

has movements on

36:04

two directions. Is

36:07

that just a choice

36:10

of words or was it that big of

36:12

a tunnel that would have the

36:15

ability to support a large community of

36:17

people going different directions? Yeah,

36:20

that's the word he used to describe

36:22

it. He

36:26

didn't mean like a train system, obviously,

36:28

but he's talking about two

36:31

points where it

36:33

was a very large tunnel. So

36:39

that's also connected to this area

36:43

where Hawassan found Red Granite on your

36:45

ground. So

36:48

that could be connected. Okay.

36:51

Bill, what kind of understanding

36:55

do you have? Have you done any

36:57

kind of scans around the Sphinx? We

37:00

know about Shock's scan. We

37:03

know about ARE's scan, the

37:05

Edgar Cayce Foundation, and what

37:08

they apparently did

37:10

not find. But

37:13

it seems like when they do

37:15

any kind of drilling, they just seem

37:17

to miss that room. What's your knowledge

37:19

of the Sphinx? Well,

37:23

I haven't worked much on the Sphinx except for

37:25

a movie that February is

37:27

going to be releasing in

37:30

2010 where we found an

37:34

illegal operation going on

37:37

in the middle of the night in

37:39

darkness without any

37:41

lights or anything. And

37:43

we had a person going to record them removing

37:46

a large granite block

37:50

that had carvings all over

37:52

it. And we believe

37:54

that that was the plug that

37:57

plugged the tunnel system. at

38:00

the Sphinx. Okay,

38:02

and so I got the

38:04

actual footage, live footage, and

38:08

Trevor can talk about that, but

38:11

it's being released as part of

38:13

episode number two. So when you

38:15

say a plug, though, was it a plug underneath

38:17

the Sphinx that blocks... 15

38:21

meters down underground. Underneath the

38:23

Sphinx? In front of the

38:25

Sphinx Temple. Oh, okay.

38:28

Interesting. Yeah, so that's...

38:30

I was just going to say that's

38:32

interesting too, because it is red granite.

38:34

You know, it kind of hints that it might

38:37

be connected to this point where Zahi discovered the

38:39

red granite was like 25 feet underground or so.

38:42

So we don't

38:44

know exactly where that goes to, but it was

38:46

plugging up one of the tunnels. Bill,

38:49

give us a sense of the tunnel

38:51

system from and

38:54

perhaps to the Sphinx. What

38:57

would you sense would be based

38:59

on what you understand for the Giza Plateau,

39:02

was it like an entrance

39:05

and an exit to underground system

39:08

of tunnels or rooms or... About

39:12

all the above. Really? In

39:16

2011, I purchased some private property in the

39:18

village just north of the Sphinx. And

39:25

we'll be talking about that also.

39:27

And we did private ground penetrating

39:29

radar inside the

39:33

stable. And we found

39:36

numerous tunnels, one

39:38

of which goes directly to the Sphinx. And

39:42

these tunnels, the size of the tunnel

39:44

that we're talking about is two

39:47

to three meter square.

39:53

I have some information that

39:55

I'm trying to get confirmation on that

39:57

some of these tunnels are big enough to...

40:00

to drive automobile

40:03

trucks inside. Wow.

40:06

So we found that the

40:08

network seems to be at

40:11

various levels. The

40:13

main level being at 30 meters. I'm

40:16

now working with some people. When

40:19

I go back about some tunnel

40:21

system 60 meters, and

40:24

I've talked with a couple of people where the

40:26

tunnel system is 100 meters, and

40:29

the deeper you go, the larger the tunnels.

40:32

And we believe that we actually, oh,

40:35

you'll see in one of the GPR scans

40:38

in 2006 that we have

40:40

the location and size of one

40:43

of these tunnels going underneath the

40:45

Sinks Causeway, halfway between

40:48

the Sinks and the Temple

40:52

at the Second Pyramid. I

40:55

want to ask you, we're going to come back to this in a minute. We're

40:57

going to spend a little more time on the tunnels. But

40:59

as an engineer, I'm curious,

41:03

they seem to be machine tunnels. In

41:06

other words, they're perfectly square. When

41:08

I viewed the shaft, and I only can

41:11

consider it an air shaft because it's covered

41:13

with bars so people can't get down into

41:15

it. The sides are

41:17

perfectly cut. It goes down about

41:19

100 yards or more, and

41:22

then you can't see any further because it's too dark. But

41:25

do you have a sense of them being machined?

41:28

Because it doesn't look like it could be hand

41:30

cut. Because it's bedrock, right? It's some form of

41:32

bedrock. Well, some of the

41:34

information that I have is that these

41:36

shafts were in time over

41:43

maybe even thousands of years.

41:45

They've actually been cement-coated lined.

41:49

Wow. Okay. So I can't

41:51

talk too much about it,

41:55

but they appear to be

41:57

cement-lined. Some of the pictures that we have,

42:00

we have inside the tunnels, which

42:03

Trevor is going to be releasing in

42:05

phase two, they show the sides

42:07

of the walls. And like

42:09

you say, they're like the

42:12

machined sarcophagus,

42:15

how perfectly square and aligned

42:18

that they are, these walls are the same. Okay,

42:22

and my understanding is that

42:27

the 30 meter level, these were,

42:29

is a possibility,

42:31

water systems,

42:35

okay, like a canal, okay,

42:37

built in place, okay,

42:40

and they are huge blocks.

42:43

We'll release one of the pictures. In 2015,

42:45

they raided the house in the village, and

42:52

we have pictures of the inside

42:54

of the tunnels, and these blocks

42:57

are one and a half

42:59

to two meters square. Okay,

43:02

and they're a little rough line

43:04

in those cases. But

43:06

I have some other films with these shown

43:09

at these walls, as you say, they seem

43:11

to be almost like cement

43:13

coated. Now, I'm going to

43:17

go on

43:19

record and say they're more like

43:21

laser machinery

43:24

rather than concrete.

43:27

When you say laser though, Bill,

43:30

is that because the type

43:32

of cutting is what

43:35

you would see in a laser tool of

43:37

some kind? Yeah, correct.

43:40

They're definitely not chipped

43:42

away with competitions.

43:45

Oh, God. Hey, Trevor,

43:49

in a couple of the photographs

43:51

that you present on your underworld

43:55

of Giza video,

43:59

you show a diagram

44:01

of the Sphinx where

44:03

there's a ladder. One

44:05

of the early explorers found

44:09

a stairway that leads to a room with

44:12

pillars. Talk about that. It's

44:14

quite an extensive bit

44:18

of work that was done.

44:22

Well, yeah, there was a raise who

44:24

did a lot of work on it.

44:26

He was the guy who cemented up

44:29

the hole in the head and there's

44:31

this entrance which is right behind a

44:33

dream steel right between the two front

44:35

paws. He did a lot of work there.

44:37

I'm not sure there was one photo

44:39

of a ladder or I think

44:41

going down, I'm not sure if there's a

44:44

ladder, but in the back hole which is

44:46

just accessing the fissure that runs through Sphinx's

44:48

body. But you

44:52

might be talking about the diagram.

44:54

Yeah, the diagram looks

44:56

like a staircase,

45:00

a stone staircase starts

45:02

at the middle of the body of the Sphinx and

45:05

then this room is down

45:08

below somewhere. That

45:10

came from Lewis,

45:15

Harvey Spencer Lewis, who was the

45:17

Rosicrucian. He was saying that this

45:20

information was handed down

45:22

from the mystery schools for all

45:24

these generations. It was also

45:26

somewhat based on the work by Salim

45:28

Hassan in the 30s who was doing

45:30

all these excavations around Giza. It's

45:34

a very interesting diagram. He published it in

45:36

his book, The Symbolic Prophecy

45:38

of the Great Pyramid.

45:42

That's where that diagram came from. He

45:45

shows a big hole underneath with

45:48

all these pillars. And then

45:50

another chamber behind it. It's

45:54

actually interesting. A friend has actually

45:56

given me a map which he believes this one was

45:58

based on. But yeah,

46:03

it kind of shows these chains via

46:05

shafts going down behind it, connecting in.

46:11

So yeah, that's something we're going to look

46:14

at more. Okay. When

46:16

I was there a few

46:19

years ago, we met with the

46:21

director of the Giza Plateau guy

46:23

named Muar Mustafa. And

46:26

he – really nice guy, but he –

46:29

when we were questioning him, he says that

46:31

he has been inside the sphinx. And

46:34

for the most part, the rooms were just

46:37

the work of looters cutting

46:39

into shafts that were already there and creating

46:41

rooms. We

46:44

have no way of knowing. We have no

46:47

way of verifying. Zahi Hawass maintains

46:49

that there is no shafts. There

46:51

are no rooms. What

46:54

do you say to that in terms of the

46:57

body of the sphinx? Yeah.

47:00

Well, I think a lot of them were

47:02

well-known before. And at a certain point, they

47:04

started covering them up, and they're

47:07

making some money off of them, honestly, by

47:10

giving private tours. So

47:13

I think a lot of them do connect into

47:15

a larger network, but – When

47:17

you say private tours, though, I mean –

47:19

so they would access them either

47:21

through the tail of the sphinx or the

47:24

side – Yeah. Because I actually

47:26

walked around the side of the whole

47:29

sphinx, and there are

47:32

no rooms available or access points

47:34

on the side of the sphinx

47:36

now. But

47:38

the tail, also the

47:40

top of the body – I don't know. I guess they'd have to

47:43

climb up a ladder to get to it. Well,

47:47

there were two on the sides

47:49

as well, which have been cemented

47:51

over and covered with masonry. But

47:55

at least the tail one, they do allow certain

47:57

people to access if they pay. If

48:00

the Sphinx was a monument, and

48:03

we know from John

48:05

West and Robert

48:08

Shock that it

48:10

was carved a second time. The original

48:13

body is extremely old.

48:16

I think Shock dates

48:18

it to 12,000 years ago. Robert

48:21

West, or John West, excuse me, before

48:24

he passed, actually what was

48:26

going back into the 20,000 plus

48:28

years, based on

48:30

Schwaler-Dulubich calculations.

48:36

But what do

48:38

you say in terms of rooms

48:42

being carved in at the time

48:45

of the original carving? Would

48:47

you say that is

48:49

a possibility and that the Sphinx was

48:51

not only a monument, but

48:53

also perhaps a temple? Yeah.

48:58

Well, there's a lot of

49:01

expeditions throughout history

49:03

that actually talk about that it was

49:07

connected to the pyramids and that priests could

49:09

move underground between them all. And

49:12

so, yeah,

49:15

I think some

49:18

of the stuff that's underground is probably

49:20

far older than anything we see above

49:22

ground at the plateau. So

49:26

that's kind of what we want

49:28

to figure out more about because we

49:30

have to get access to them to

49:33

do that. Yeah,

49:35

getting access to anything. We're

49:39

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49:42

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guests today are William Brown,

52:11

a civil engineer, and Trevor

52:14

Grassi, who have spent a

52:16

significant amount of time studying the

52:18

underground tunnel systems throughout Giza

52:21

and the Giza Plateau, and

52:24

the Sphinx, the temples,

52:26

and the pyramids that align

52:28

that area. We're

52:30

learning just how extensive

52:33

the tunnel system runs throughout

52:35

this region. Let's

52:40

talk about the tunnel system.

52:42

Bill, I had a great

52:45

opportunity to see the subterranean

52:47

chamber in the Khufu

52:49

Pyramid, and the really

52:51

interesting thing about this is that

52:53

there's a great

52:55

deal of evidence of water

52:58

erosion. There's a number of theories that

53:00

it was a pump that

53:02

drew water

53:05

from these canals,

53:07

these tunnels, into

53:09

the subterranean chamber, this

53:12

big room, and then forced up into

53:14

what we now consider the kings and

53:17

the queens rooms,

53:19

which were probably filled with mechanics of

53:21

some kind. But talk

53:23

a little bit about what

53:25

you are knowledgeable

53:28

on regarding any kind of tunnel

53:30

system that passes underneath the Great

53:32

Pyramids. We

53:35

know for a fact that

53:38

in 2015 this

53:41

large tunnel system from

53:43

the Giza village connects

53:46

directly to underneath the

53:49

Great Pyramid. The Egyptians

53:52

have gone on official records that

53:56

they say that it does go to

53:58

a room underneath the Great Pyramid. from

54:00

the village. I'm

54:03

working with some people and we

54:05

know of five large

54:08

tidal networks from

54:10

the village that goes underneath the plateau

54:12

20 to 30 meters at

54:15

the first level and that

54:17

we know that there are 50 meters and 100

54:20

meters and so

54:24

that far down underneath the

54:26

Great Pyramid does

54:28

make sense that there has to be

54:30

more rooms there and

54:34

one of the movies that we I think

54:36

we are released in part

54:39

one does show possibility

54:41

of that of those rooms

54:44

but personally I haven't been in

54:46

the album that I can

54:48

speak about yes okay so I

54:52

have seen diagrams of

54:54

tunnels that look like they're

54:56

drawing water from the Nile

54:58

and it's

55:01

being sucked up into

55:04

the into the pyramids and

55:06

there's another one that seems to be going that underneath

55:09

and under under the

55:11

Sphinx yeah is there

55:13

any theories that the Sphinx has something to do

55:15

with being a

55:18

big pump of some kind drawing

55:20

water and maybe delivering it to the

55:22

the other tunnels or what

55:25

do we know okay the only thing

55:27

I'm my good friend named Leo Walton

55:29

always a good friend of mine he's

55:31

writing the entire book about that exactly

55:34

what you talked about how the

55:36

underground water pumping system works on

55:38

the whole plateau and

55:40

he and I are collaborating on some of

55:43

that information but he'll have he has to

55:45

release and I I can't really talk about

55:47

it all I can say is it we

55:49

are aware of many of the entrances and

55:53

I am working to physically

55:56

get hard

55:58

evidence possibly

56:02

sending people down. I don't go

56:04

personally myself for

56:06

safety reasons, but we

56:08

do send some people with

56:11

the dangerous and dangerous

56:13

movies, and we are

56:15

going to be producing that over the next

56:18

two to three series

56:20

of episodes. I've

56:23

confirmed it, and

56:26

my next trip back, gathering

56:28

more information about that. Let's

56:30

talk about the ground penetrating radar you've

56:33

done on the Giza Plateau. When

56:36

did you first encounter or when

56:39

did you first use this

56:41

equipment to scan that

56:44

area? In

56:47

2006, I

56:49

personally knew the person in

56:51

charge of GPR scans for

56:53

NRIG, Dr. Abbas. I know

56:55

him personally, and I

56:57

personally paid him at a

56:59

one-pocket funding to

57:02

scan the entire length of the

57:04

Sphinx Causeway from the temple, second

57:08

pyramid temple, all the way down to

57:10

the rump of the pyramid. That's

57:12

what my book was all about. He

57:16

also did another area which

57:19

we call I think Area 3, and

57:21

he personally scanned all of that. Then

57:24

I started working with some people with

57:26

a Polish foundation that I worked with

57:28

in Poland, and

57:30

Germany, and in America. They

57:34

participated in doing more

57:36

GPR scans, and

57:39

that information has been published

57:41

officially by the Egyptian government,

57:44

and I've reported a little bit more

57:46

than they did, than they released. We

57:49

talked about that. When you say the government

57:52

released it, they released it to who? White

57:54

papers to... The public. It's

57:56

an official archaeological

57:58

document. Trevor

58:01

can give you something to... It must not

58:03

be widely distributed

58:05

because we don't

58:07

hear any tour guide, any authorities,

58:10

anyone from the antiquities department discussing

58:14

underground tunnel systems that

58:17

perhaps were used to move

58:20

water. No,

58:22

no. I've

58:25

not read that anywhere myself either. It's

58:27

more speculation as I call it. But

58:31

what I can say is the tunnel systems

58:33

that I've seen and the size that they

58:35

are, that it makes sense that these were

58:37

waterways. And at

58:40

the time, 30 meters down, at

58:42

that time period, it was open.

58:44

It was all open. It's

58:47

gonna be covered. The

58:50

area was... Open.

58:53

All the sand was missing or gone.

58:55

Yes. There's probably buildings and temples

58:58

that weren't missing. Yes, correct.

59:01

Would you say that the

59:04

theory or hypothesis of

59:06

water delivery is

59:10

supportive of the people like

59:13

Chris Dunn, who reverse

59:16

engineered Khufu and believes

59:18

it was a machine of some kind? Right.

59:20

Yes, I know him personally and

59:22

I've read their concepts. And

59:29

for

59:31

me, I never put a lot of

59:34

time and energy into

59:36

their ideas. I'm

59:39

not saying I agree or disagree. That's

59:43

what I've been doing my own research to

59:45

find out. But more and more, I see

59:47

these tunnel systems as networking,

59:51

water networking, open canal

59:53

systems used to move water.

59:56

And it certainly wasn't for irrigating crops.

59:59

Yes. Because. That.

1:00:02

Seems more like a a. A

1:00:04

machine area or a civic area

1:00:07

where people gather, but also. If.

1:00:10

They and I'm curious about your

1:00:12

impressions of the other two parameters

1:00:14

crystal. Primarily. Focuses on

1:00:16

to food. And there's

1:00:18

two others that are. Look.

1:00:21

Like to fairly similar but maybe not

1:00:23

the same sized. What is your feeling

1:00:25

of the to added to our the

1:00:27

possible. Mechanisms that

1:00:29

as well as the to food

1:00:31

pyramid or the all three involves

1:00:33

in you jacket on. My

1:00:36

understanding of research that I've done is to

1:00:38

be quite honest with you and and maybe

1:00:40

a little my boy. all three of or

1:00:42

build same time. Based.

1:00:46

But. We know that were almost

1:00:48

positive. Now that's the great Pyramid

1:00:50

and a second pyramids were both

1:00:52

built at the same time by

1:00:54

Clover. On him

1:00:56

interesting and hand our really some information

1:00:59

on a space on the fact that

1:01:01

there was an original up propped there.

1:01:04

In on they did the sizing over.

1:01:06

It is a outcrop on a nice.

1:01:08

The Great Pyramid on takes up at

1:01:10

least twenty to thirty percent of the

1:01:13

base of the great Pyramid and and

1:01:15

everything was built on top of it.

1:01:17

Is. That. At. That point. so there's

1:01:19

a lot of new reference information coming

1:01:22

out in we have a link link

1:01:24

to that awesome. Ah, as

1:01:26

an engineer, what do you feel

1:01:28

is the tech behind these. These.

1:01:32

Pyramids and in the towel system

1:01:34

do believe and be done in

1:01:37

his newest book cause the scientists

1:01:39

geo engineering geosciences because are based

1:01:41

on Gaia the the earth the

1:01:44

wins as the waters before the

1:01:46

so on. What do you feel

1:01:48

as an engineer studying these pyramids.

1:01:51

On. From what I. Am.

1:01:55

and mom put together myself or

1:01:57

i believe in the geo concept

1:02:00

that there was a, we

1:02:02

have a lost technology. It's

1:02:05

not lost. It's being

1:02:08

used by agencies even

1:02:11

today. Okay. And so I

1:02:13

believe that they were not put in,

1:02:15

they were not stacked in place by

1:02:18

1000 slaves

1:02:21

in Tech Fairy. I

1:02:24

don't go into levitation or anything

1:02:27

like that. I believe

1:02:29

more in the philosophy of the concept

1:02:31

of poured in place concrete

1:02:34

because I've done enough of it myself. Oh,

1:02:36

geopolymer you mean? Yeah. Oh,

1:02:38

wow. And I know the scientists

1:02:41

who actually proposed that system

1:02:44

and I've been to Hungary and

1:02:47

I've talked with the people and they've actually

1:02:49

shown me the method that was used and

1:02:52

the materials that were used to create those

1:02:54

stones that they've done in Hungary and

1:02:57

showed that how it was possible. Yeah.

1:02:59

So that's more my concept. Bill,

1:03:02

you're not an archaeologist but obviously as

1:03:04

an engineer you have certain

1:03:06

gifts to tell about technology

1:03:08

and how it may function. What's

1:03:11

your feeling on

1:03:13

a date when you talk about the people

1:03:16

who built this? Obviously we don't

1:03:19

know if it's pre-Egyptian, pre-dynastic is

1:03:21

the term. I

1:03:25

actually saw a video of you and you're kind of

1:03:27

like, well, this could be

1:03:29

Atlantinian and I'm kind of cringing

1:03:31

when I hear that. Not that I'm cringing that you're

1:03:33

seeing it but I was thinking of the academic

1:03:36

world going, oh my God. But

1:03:40

you have to use those

1:03:42

vernaculars, those terminology when you

1:03:44

cannot define this

1:03:46

technology, right? I'm

1:03:49

talking about a time period that people

1:03:51

recognize as, you know, and

1:03:53

I went on record and

1:03:55

I call it Atlantis Egypt 2. That's

1:03:59

the concept. that I use because I'm

1:04:01

talking about a timeline, okay,

1:04:04

and we will show, I'm working

1:04:07

with some people,

1:04:09

we will show that, you know,

1:04:12

I know John Anthony West personally

1:04:14

also, and we talked a

1:04:16

lot of different things, and I do the

1:04:18

dating of the 10,000 plus,

1:04:21

okay, I don't want to get

1:04:23

in trouble by giving a specific

1:04:26

date, but... But

1:04:29

is that based on shock's determination

1:04:31

that the water erosion is... No, no,

1:04:33

no, I take it, no,

1:04:36

I'm not using that concept.

1:04:39

I go along with Freddy Silva

1:04:42

concept, and his

1:04:45

dating, and I'm working

1:04:47

with the people in the Boston

1:04:49

pyramid, and Dr. Sam, and

1:04:54

we've dated his timeline,

1:04:56

and when I first met him, I

1:04:59

gave him the date that I said that it wasn't,

1:05:01

he and I were only 2,000 years

1:05:04

off in difference, in time

1:05:06

period. So we

1:05:08

have lost civilizations, we have lost records,

1:05:11

and that's my purpose. I know those

1:05:13

records are a geezer, and

1:05:16

we are very close to being able to disclose

1:05:22

them. I can't say that I found

1:05:24

them, but we know where they are. It's

1:05:26

like, stay tuned for more. Yes. Trevor,

1:05:30

I wanted to ask

1:05:33

you a few questions and get your sense of

1:05:35

this tunnel system at the Giza Plateau. Your

1:05:38

video gets into a lot of detail. Talk

1:05:40

about your sense of its

1:05:43

purpose, number one, and number

1:05:45

two, the people

1:05:48

who created it. Yeah,

1:05:52

well, I do think a lot of

1:05:54

them might have been moving water back and forth, like

1:05:56

we're talking about. I think

1:05:58

part of whatever the. Real function of

1:06:00

the. The. Pyramids has a lot

1:06:03

to do with water and but not all

1:06:05

of were for that necessarily. Bill

1:06:08

and I both follow Edgar Casey. And

1:06:12

his suggestion was that there

1:06:14

was actually records planted down

1:06:16

there. so. I.

1:06:19

Believe that are part of. You

1:06:21

know, Very very old now

1:06:24

and. It's

1:06:26

been stored there for safekeeping and there

1:06:28

are certain chambers. You.

1:06:30

Know. Our

1:06:33

our for that but am.

1:06:37

I think a lot of the stuff underground

1:06:39

is older than with him above graph. So

1:06:43

I think parts of the pyramids they

1:06:46

go back and. Must. Yes,

1:06:50

My. Life

1:06:52

partner. right?

1:06:55

So. There's I got like an

1:06:58

original foundation. ah that's that's

1:07:00

the did the the beginning

1:07:02

and then they built. Six.

1:07:05

Sessions have club and structures on

1:07:07

top of them. Are

1:07:09

you know see that in a lot different places?

1:07:11

Yeah, Spitzer. Yeah. And

1:07:15

they are built on top of well

1:07:17

called primordial mounds. So. This.

1:07:20

Is going back to his the A

1:07:22

Happy which there is astrological dating used

1:07:24

to show how it aligns to the

1:07:26

stars back then. And things

1:07:28

like that. Man.

1:07:33

Okay, Yeah. Yeah,

1:07:35

you know why the things before we leave

1:07:37

the Giza plateau. Where. The things

1:07:40

that is a challenge for me is that.

1:07:42

The. Antiquities Department in Egypt seems

1:07:44

to say that. The. Discovery

1:07:46

of Sakara mummies is real

1:07:48

big deal. With.

1:07:51

Or sit not underneath their sitting.

1:07:53

on top of these a labyrinth

1:07:55

of of tunnel systems of Sakara,

1:07:58

the Giza plateau. It

1:08:00

just doesn't ring a bell that

1:08:02

people would probably be much more

1:08:04

interested in the evidence of a

1:08:07

sophisticated, advanced technology. But.

1:08:10

Ah, Also. The problem

1:08:12

with that is that it brings up

1:08:14

questions about our history of and I

1:08:16

don't think they want our era rewrite

1:08:18

the book. Or. A

1:08:20

have anything to do with the

1:08:23

questioning their narrative of the past.

1:08:26

Would. You guys see the that bill? On

1:08:29

that's exactly one hundred percent

1:08:31

my personal opinion. That

1:08:34

tom they don't want a rock about. Period.

1:08:38

Hum. Of the be quite honest with

1:08:40

you I can say and I know some

1:08:42

other they do know what. But.

1:08:45

They're not allowed to talk about it. Is

1:08:48

price in public. Again

1:08:50

in private. Say. There

1:08:52

was some tea or. Whatever of has

1:08:55

lots of majored in discussions with. I'm.

1:08:57

Always. Ah no. a lousy Our.

1:09:00

Inspectors. As a Giza

1:09:02

plateau and with then some really

1:09:05

interesting conversations and we walked around

1:09:07

on the plateau and we point

1:09:09

thinkers and say well what do

1:09:11

you think and lung the last

1:09:13

time I was there ah we

1:09:15

were actually able to sell and.her

1:09:18

bosses now proving it in his

1:09:20

own reports. if there is a

1:09:22

complete. Tunnel. Honor needs

1:09:24

the. Sinks. Cause my. Oh

1:09:28

to tell. Large. Told

1:09:30

this is speculation that it was

1:09:33

for water or was it's for

1:09:35

people to walk through or out.

1:09:38

Our best way for people. Are

1:09:41

at the time on. We

1:09:43

did confirm. The.

1:09:45

Latest discovery. Of

1:09:48

the. Great. Pyramid

1:09:50

Causeway. If they're

1:09:52

uncovering right now and I I personally

1:09:54

met with Martha learners. The

1:09:56

last, her mom. One. tips

1:09:59

was on recently and

1:10:01

talking with the people that are uncovering

1:10:03

it. I know the people that are

1:10:05

uncovering it. They're actually physically

1:10:07

doing the work, and

1:10:10

they talk privately. We

1:10:13

have found a tunnel

1:10:16

system underneath the causeway that they've

1:10:18

uncovered right now. I'm

1:10:20

not able to talk about it. Mark

1:10:24

Lerners is the keeper of

1:10:26

the wisdom along with Zahi

1:10:28

Hawass. These guys

1:10:30

will never give it up in

1:10:32

terms of acknowledging that

1:10:34

this is not from dynastic Egyptian. They

1:10:36

just don't have the skill set or

1:10:39

the technology to cut tunnels like that.

1:10:42

Right. That's right. We

1:10:46

show one of the pictures, and I think

1:10:48

it was in part one of the open, the

1:10:53

stone and the stone

1:10:55

is cut stone, polished stone, squared,

1:10:58

edges, and everything separate from the stack

1:11:00

stones right next to it. We're

1:11:03

not sure of the timing,

1:11:05

whether it was built in the second

1:11:07

system alongside it at a later date. I'm

1:11:11

still working on that information. But

1:11:14

we do know that the tunnel steps down into

1:11:16

the royal palace, and then it goes directly

1:11:19

to the great pyramid, and

1:11:21

we're reporting on that now. I

1:11:24

have people that have been down

1:11:26

inside. They gave me the video

1:11:28

footage, and we're releasing some

1:11:30

of that. Now, talk

1:11:33

a little bit about

1:11:36

the Asyrian Shaft, Bill,

1:11:38

because this has been

1:11:40

available for a price to

1:11:43

tourists, but it's not very

1:11:46

safe, number one, and it's very

1:11:48

deep. What

1:11:51

do we know about the Asyrian Shaft? I've

1:11:54

been there to visit it, but my focus

1:11:57

is really Giza and Halara.

1:12:00

So I really can't talk about

1:12:02

it other than what I've read.

1:12:04

Trevor, do you have any clue on this

1:12:06

shaft? Yeah, well,

1:12:08

we did cover that a little bit in part one

1:12:10

of the series. So

1:12:13

we talk about how, yeah, Bill

1:12:16

made some predictions actually about the tunnels

1:12:19

that lead out from it and that

1:12:21

ended up being confirmed later

1:12:23

on. And there's some video footage from the

1:12:25

Japanese team that went through there. I

1:12:30

was also gonna mention you were talking about Sakara and

1:12:32

we did get a mean Bill went for a day

1:12:34

and got to see all the tunnels

1:12:36

under the Joseph pyramid. So

1:12:38

we're gonna show that in part three, but

1:12:43

it's very incredible to see the kind of

1:12:46

how good they were at making these tunnels.

1:12:50

Yeah, I mean, I was in the

1:12:52

Joseph pyramid last year and

1:12:55

we went down, I think three different levels

1:12:58

and the locals apparently

1:13:01

ever have known that there's a

1:13:03

tunnel apparently that goes

1:13:05

as far as the Giza Plateau. What

1:13:08

do they speculate was

1:13:11

the purpose for having underground

1:13:13

rooms and tunnels? Was there a

1:13:16

problem on the surface of the planet or

1:13:18

was this just another way to live? Yeah,

1:13:25

some speculate that. We believe there is

1:13:27

a tunnel connecting from Giza all the

1:13:29

way to Sakara and actually much further.

1:13:33

So could be for priests to

1:13:35

use, but

1:13:37

we think that it extends the whole length

1:13:39

of the Nile honestly. Wow,

1:13:42

all these different complexes

1:13:45

are connected. So

1:13:47

is it, I mean, there's a

1:13:49

lot of theory that it's some,

1:13:51

during this into the younger dryest

1:13:53

there was an asteroid hit and

1:13:55

the surface of the planet was, this is like 9,500 or 12,000

1:13:58

years ago. 9,500 BC.

1:14:04

Asteroid hit makes the surface unlivable so

1:14:07

people have to go underground. We think this

1:14:10

is what Derencuru is in Turkey. We

1:14:13

think Cappadocia. We think possibly

1:14:17

Sakhara. And

1:14:21

people had to get off the surface, and so

1:14:23

that was potential. What do you guys

1:14:25

say to that? I'll

1:14:29

agree 100% exactly. We

1:14:36

know that catastrophic events have occurred

1:14:39

and that humans are very great

1:14:41

at survival. And

1:14:44

that they were forced to go

1:14:46

underground for long periods of time.

1:14:49

We have seen the cities and the towns in

1:14:52

large areas. I've

1:14:55

been in the sun

1:14:58

in Poland. It

1:15:02

has occurred all over the world.

1:15:05

So certainly there was a time

1:15:07

period. We did

1:15:09

find evidence. I

1:15:12

think Trevor might

1:15:14

have even shown them enough.

1:15:16

We found plasma balls from

1:15:19

the sun. And

1:15:22

they were marbles and stuff

1:15:24

and everything. And

1:15:27

this evidence thing is everywhere. I

1:15:30

found people that have found them out

1:15:32

in the deserts and everything. And

1:15:34

they think that these were probably just remnants

1:15:37

of the plasma from these meteors and

1:15:40

whatever. So definitely

1:15:42

it was a survival mode.

1:15:46

I've seen Robert Sakh. I spent two weeks

1:15:48

with him in Egypt. And we were looking

1:15:50

at vitrified stone at the Giza Plateau. And

1:15:54

he suggested this solar induced dark

1:15:56

age was potentially known to

1:15:58

them before it happened. So

1:16:02

they may have done a lot to dig

1:16:04

underground at that point and also to protect

1:16:06

the temples above ground. Wow. Comparing

1:16:09

them with mud brick and stuff like that. Yeah.

1:16:12

Bill, I want you to comment on

1:16:14

a portion of the video that you

1:16:16

are featured in where you

1:16:18

show entrance ways underground

1:16:21

all through the plateau. You show,

1:16:23

look, like doors. And

1:16:27

in some cases, ornately

1:16:30

carved entrance ways that

1:16:32

are everywhere. They're not just in a few areas. So

1:16:34

you look like there's many, many

1:16:36

of them. Have you

1:16:39

scanned any of those to

1:16:41

show rooms? Or what do we see

1:16:43

if we entered into these areas? No.

1:16:48

We haven't scanned any of those. Everything

1:16:50

that we scanned pretty much, we had

1:16:52

to be officially authorized by the Egyptians.

1:16:55

And I have particularly

1:16:58

requested certain areas to scan.

1:17:01

And they refused to allow

1:17:03

the areas to be scanned. So

1:17:06

that was evidence in itself that we don't want anybody

1:17:08

to know. Do you think

1:17:10

they have knowledge of this and the intricacies

1:17:13

of this? Yes. Yes. When

1:17:17

you talk to the people that do the

1:17:19

work on site, and

1:17:21

I'm not talking about people that are the government

1:17:23

officials because they can't say anything. But

1:17:26

we have very close

1:17:29

connections with the people on a day-to-day

1:17:31

basis that do this work. And

1:17:34

they take us and they show us, especially

1:17:36

over at the area of the

1:17:38

third pyramid. Very

1:17:41

little known about that. But

1:17:44

they uncovered huge underground red

1:17:46

granite temple systems just

1:17:49

south of the third pyramid.

1:17:53

So what I

1:17:56

can say is there are lots of areas

1:17:59

that have been. scanned that

1:18:01

we've been able to get copies of

1:18:03

the reports and we're studying them. You

1:18:07

know, they're showing so much

1:18:10

buried. And, you know,

1:18:12

if we could just get a

1:18:14

great big huge master vacuum cleaner,

1:18:16

you know, and remove this sand,

1:18:19

I mean, it would

1:18:21

change everything. Do you think

1:18:23

that the sand is covering up buildings

1:18:25

that are a significant

1:18:28

size? Yes,

1:18:30

we know. Trevor and

1:18:32

I went over to an area called

1:18:35

the Fibonacci spiral

1:18:39

point of origin. And the

1:18:42

hillside is completely covering

1:18:45

a lot of known temples. We

1:18:48

know that we've been trying to get

1:18:50

permission to GPR scan those areas. But

1:18:53

anything inside the wall, and

1:18:57

they divided each, you know, geeze

1:18:59

up into a network

1:19:01

system of walls as

1:19:04

territorial property owned

1:19:06

by different people. And,

1:19:10

you know, I'm curious,

1:19:12

you're a scanning expert.

1:19:15

What's the problem when it comes

1:19:17

to scanning some of these

1:19:19

temples? I find that the

1:19:21

Hathor temple, which sits on an earlier temple,

1:19:24

would really be a revelation for history

1:19:27

if they could at least scan

1:19:30

the area around the temple.

1:19:32

Because Hathor has been occupied

1:19:35

continuously probably significantly

1:19:38

longer than what we think is a few

1:19:40

thousand years. What do you say to that?

1:19:44

I believe, to answer all that,

1:19:47

we're trying to get the proof that what

1:19:49

you're saying is correct. And

1:19:51

I agree 100%. The sands of time have covered everything.

1:20:00

get down into these areas, basically

1:20:04

I've been focusing on entrance

1:20:06

ways to get down into them. Okay.

1:20:08

And what we're focusing on is

1:20:10

the entrance way and how to get

1:20:13

into them safely. And

1:20:16

so... Does that open the

1:20:19

possibilities? Is that when you say,

1:20:21

I find the entrance way, that

1:20:23

makes it easier for the antiquities people to

1:20:26

go in and see it? Or are

1:20:29

you saying it's more likely that it will be more

1:20:31

generally known

1:20:33

to the public? My

1:20:35

job is to get it known to the public

1:20:37

via how we're talking today.

1:20:39

Egyptian government's not going to release

1:20:42

it. Okay. And

1:20:44

that's because it brings up too many problems. There'll be

1:20:46

a question. Our history will be... Yeah.

1:20:50

...which it should be anyhow because

1:20:52

it's pretty... Right. All right. This

1:20:55

has been a great deal of fun and we're definitely

1:20:57

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Grassi, have been researching and studying

1:23:31

various portions of the Giza

1:23:34

Plateau, the Sphinx, the Pyramids, and a

1:23:36

number of sacred areas of

1:23:38

ancient Egypt. And we're getting

1:23:40

a sense just what they have uncovered

1:23:43

in our program today. I

1:23:49

want to talk about some work

1:23:51

that you've done in Hawara, not

1:23:54

only the Pyramid, but the Labyrinth Bill. You

1:23:56

did some significant scans

1:23:58

in that area. area. And

1:24:01

I'd like you to talk about your

1:24:04

visit to that area and

1:24:06

what, if any, information

1:24:08

you detected from scans

1:24:10

under the ground. Okay,

1:24:13

2007 to 2009, I was hired as

1:24:15

a civil engineer with a Polish foundation

1:24:17

group working

1:24:24

exclusively with the Egyptian

1:24:27

authorized University

1:24:29

of Cairo project. And

1:24:32

so we did three ground

1:24:35

penetrating radar scans in various areas.

1:24:38

And I led the third GPR

1:24:41

scan directly

1:24:44

on top of the mud brick

1:24:46

pyramid itself, where it was covered

1:24:48

with layer of sand. Nobody

1:24:51

knew at the time, and

1:24:53

I was the one as

1:24:55

a site engineer, I

1:24:57

developed the very first site plan in

1:24:59

100 years from Petri to

1:25:03

do a geophysical survey of

1:25:05

the entire area, set the

1:25:07

elevations so that we did

1:25:10

soil borings and GPR scans.

1:25:12

We would know, you know, the depths,

1:25:15

you know, from the elevation, we would go

1:25:17

down and we show a lot of that

1:25:19

in the movie. I did

1:25:21

the GPR scan inside or on

1:25:23

top of the pyramid. And

1:25:26

we had found the corner, the

1:25:32

southeast corner of the pyramid,

1:25:36

we dug down and actually found the corner. And

1:25:39

they discovered that half of the pyramid

1:25:41

is still covered with sand. Let me

1:25:44

stop you real quickly. What we see on

1:25:46

the surface is mud brick. Yes.

1:25:48

But there's an earlier structure

1:25:51

that is megalithic that

1:25:53

is granted, isn't it? It's

1:25:57

stone. Yeah, I want to say granted. Okay. And

1:25:59

who is that attributed to, not

1:26:01

the guy who built the mud

1:26:03

bricks? No. According to

1:26:05

the information that we've released

1:26:07

on the labyrinth system, we

1:26:09

believe that there were 12 succeeding kings, one

1:26:14

after the other. We can't say

1:26:16

which one. My

1:26:19

understanding when I first went there, I

1:26:21

say there are two pyramids in one.

1:26:23

Okay. And the

1:26:26

mud brick covers both

1:26:28

of them. Okay. When

1:26:30

we did the GPR scans,

1:26:32

we actually recorded the underground

1:26:35

rooms inside the pyramid, not

1:26:37

the labyrinth system. They recorded

1:26:39

the rooms inside it. Okay.

1:26:42

And they show up and we

1:26:45

showed extensive photographs

1:26:49

of those GPR scans. And if

1:26:51

you do a proper analysis, which at

1:26:54

the end, it took years to really

1:26:56

analyze everything. But we did find where

1:26:58

the rooms were. And then in 2012,

1:27:01

when it was done by NASA and

1:27:03

a couple of other people, they

1:27:06

did confirm with the

1:27:09

NASA satellite scans, they actually showed

1:27:12

the rooms that we actually found

1:27:15

inside the pyramid. Okay.

1:27:17

So that's the pyramid. Did

1:27:19

you pick up anything on this

1:27:22

labyrinth? That is buried at

1:27:25

a periodus talks

1:27:28

about. There was a big debate at

1:27:30

the time with our group

1:27:33

and organization, and we were working

1:27:35

exclusively on the Eastern

1:27:38

side of the pyramid. And

1:27:40

everybody was arguing that the labyrinth

1:27:42

was on the South side of

1:27:44

the pyramid. And so it's

1:27:47

both to the South

1:27:49

and to the East. And so we

1:27:53

found the system of

1:27:55

the rooms. And every

1:27:57

time I go to the Pahora, I go up to the people. They

1:27:59

all know. know me very well.

1:28:01

And I'm standing in

1:28:03

this guy, he's always standing in the same

1:28:05

spot, really good. He's almost like teasing me.

1:28:08

And I'm going like, did you dig here yet?

1:28:10

And he'll say, no, well, you know they have.

1:28:13

And of course, you know, the NASA

1:28:15

satellite showed that was the exact entrance

1:28:17

to the boat levels of

1:28:19

the labyrinth system. And

1:28:23

how deep is the

1:28:25

labyrinth from the surface? Is it like 20 feet,

1:28:27

100 feet? How do people

1:28:29

access it? Okay,

1:28:35

the pyramid itself has an

1:28:37

interest on the southwest side.

1:28:40

To the labyrinth? No,

1:28:42

into the pyramid itself. And then

1:28:45

from the pyramid, you can go

1:28:47

from rooms inside the pyramid into

1:28:49

the labyrinth. So it was

1:28:51

directly connected to the pyramid. Wow. Definitely.

1:28:54

And I built an architectural

1:28:57

scale model of the entire

1:29:01

network system inside the great pyramid.

1:29:04

And of course, it was blocked by water. But

1:29:07

I argue with the people, I said, you

1:29:09

go in, you pump this out, remove

1:29:12

this mud right here, and you're going to go into

1:29:14

the tunnel system because Patriot had already done it because

1:29:16

there was no problem with the water back then. The

1:29:19

problem with the water was it

1:29:21

was created by the canal that

1:29:23

they used for irrigation in the

1:29:25

area, broke the wall of

1:29:27

the pyramid. And that's what flooded everything. Now,

1:29:30

are you saying that Petri accessed

1:29:33

the labyrinth

1:29:35

from the entrance in

1:29:38

the pyramid? No, I'm not

1:29:40

going to say that. We're saying

1:29:42

he accessed all the rooms inside

1:29:44

the pyramid. And

1:29:46

we know that the rooms inside

1:29:49

the pyramid accessed the labyrinth. So

1:29:53

there's no record. Yeah, I mean, because I

1:29:55

remember reading his survey of that area. He

1:30:00

never confirms or

1:30:02

denies that he entered

1:30:04

the lab-ret, maybe for a good reason.

1:30:07

Well, he did. I read his diary

1:30:10

and we found the shaft that

1:30:12

he built on the northern side.

1:30:15

We picked it up with GPR scans and

1:30:18

he buried the shaft. Nobody even... He

1:30:21

built it himself and he went in

1:30:23

and that's how he gained it. He went into

1:30:25

the room with the

1:30:27

sarcophagus and everything. Which

1:30:29

is what, one of the corners of

1:30:31

the labyrinth that you access? Yes.

1:30:34

That's funny. I didn't know that he wrote about

1:30:37

it in his diary. Yeah.

1:30:40

Well, I know a lot about him and

1:30:43

actually I went there and so I said, okay,

1:30:45

let's say GPR scan right here. Right here. I

1:30:48

said, why here? It didn't make any sense. I

1:30:50

said, of course it doesn't. Nobody has any record of it.

1:30:55

So we did find the underground tunnel

1:30:59

entries that he himself built personally

1:31:02

and he does write about it

1:31:04

in non-published diary that I've

1:31:06

read some stuff. So it's

1:31:08

very interesting. We know, and I'm

1:31:11

working now with, and Trevor is

1:31:13

talking with him. What's his name?

1:31:16

Trevor? Louis de Cordier. Yeah.

1:31:20

Louis de Cordier and also just recently

1:31:22

I started talking with Michael Donilon who

1:31:25

was part of Dr. Carmen Bolter's scans

1:31:27

that were done there from satellite too,

1:31:29

which is very interesting. Right. So

1:31:32

we're hoping that this is the

1:31:34

right time that we're going to

1:31:37

open Hawara and the NASA

1:31:41

scan actually shows the tunnel leading

1:31:43

from the north side of

1:31:46

the labyrinth going towards Cairo.

1:31:51

Trevor, what do we know about

1:31:53

the scans? Because I mean,

1:31:56

in Carmen Bolter's video

1:31:58

series, she's a very interesting person. does talk

1:32:00

a little bit about that area, but what

1:32:03

do we know? Who requisitioned

1:32:05

the scans from NASA?

1:32:09

Was NASA the one that went

1:32:11

ahead and did this work? Well,

1:32:14

I don't think it

1:32:16

was NASA necessarily, but it

1:32:18

was done from satellite in some sense, and

1:32:20

the exact process isn't completely known. I've looked

1:32:22

into that a lot, but I think it

1:32:25

was from a private company, and so it's

1:32:27

a little harder to get the exact technique

1:32:29

nailed down, but that's

1:32:31

kind of why I've kind of been

1:32:33

interested in speaking with Michael Donilon, who

1:32:35

also knows Louis de Cordier, and

1:32:38

so we're talking about the three biggest

1:32:40

expeditions that have ever been done there.

1:32:42

All three of them, we might come together and

1:32:45

pool all our resources now to figure that all

1:32:47

out, which is

1:32:50

exciting. The

1:32:54

idea of finding a labyrinth is wonderful, but

1:32:56

I think this is another issue. I think

1:32:59

you'll both agree that the authorities, the

1:33:01

Antiquities Department probably doesn't want to come

1:33:03

out. If

1:33:06

they were to uncover it and

1:33:08

start dating the interior

1:33:10

and the ruins of a labyrinth,

1:33:13

the dates might be

1:33:16

way more than carbon dating, which maxes at

1:33:18

50,000 years. That

1:33:21

brings up serious questions. Trevor,

1:33:24

what do you say about this labyrinth? What's unique

1:33:26

about it? Yeah,

1:33:29

well, Herodotus was the one who said it

1:33:31

was actually 12 different kings, and then it

1:33:33

was 3,000 chambers, and

1:33:37

the pyramid is often said to be

1:33:39

from Eminem Het III, who is 12th-thannist.

1:33:42

12th-thannist, yes. But

1:33:44

yeah, I think the labyrinth is

1:33:46

way older, and

1:33:49

it's probably records down there. Yeah,

1:33:57

we know that it has engraving.

1:34:00

paintings all over the walls. So it's

1:34:04

likely part of the record hall is what we

1:34:06

think. And yeah. Okay.

1:34:10

Hey, this has been a great deal of

1:34:12

fun and we're gonna have to have you

1:34:15

come back when you release another documentary. I

1:34:17

want to

1:34:20

mention to our listeners that both

1:34:22

Bill and Trevor will be sending

1:34:24

a series of images of these

1:34:27

discoveries, these underground

1:34:29

tunnels, a

1:34:31

couple of ground penetrating radar scans,

1:34:34

and some photographs that they have collected. And

1:34:39

I'm crossing my fingers and before we started this

1:34:41

interview I was like, you guys, we got to

1:34:43

see the book from you. We got to have

1:34:45

a book. Because it's wonderful

1:34:48

to talk about it, but you know, you

1:34:50

probably can both count

1:34:53

the reams of

1:34:55

paper and documents and

1:34:58

photos and images and things

1:35:00

that you could use for multiple books. You

1:35:02

could probably have, you

1:35:05

know, attend volume series of

1:35:07

the work that you've done.

1:35:09

And the reason I say that is I

1:35:11

don't think there's anyone else who is talking about

1:35:13

the work that you're doing since John Anthony

1:35:16

West. Oh, Shock does bring it

1:35:18

up a little bit in his most recent

1:35:21

book. But

1:35:23

his work on the Sphinx was years ago

1:35:25

now. And there's

1:35:27

nobody who's able to get around quite

1:35:30

like you guys. So I hope I do

1:35:32

see a book from both of you. As

1:35:35

we conclude, give us a sense

1:35:37

of what you're

1:35:39

hoping for, Bill. And I'll ask the same question to

1:35:41

you in a second, Trevor. What

1:35:45

am I hoping for? Yeah, what's

1:35:48

your hope for the future? Well... What

1:35:50

would you like to uncover? Okay, well,

1:35:53

Trevor mentioned it a little bit earlier. I'm a

1:35:55

big fan of Edgar Casey. some

1:36:00

of his information and based on his information,

1:36:03

I was able to

1:36:05

coordinate with my engineering skills and site

1:36:07

plan to purchase a piece of property in

1:36:09

2010. We

1:36:12

did go in, we did a GPR

1:36:14

scans. We

1:36:17

can say it here because it's already out in the

1:36:19

movie or coming out that we

1:36:21

did some shafts

1:36:25

inside, found some rooms

1:36:28

and tunnels, tunnel systems.

1:36:31

So based on the information

1:36:34

that I have that has not gone

1:36:36

public yet, but I'll say we are

1:36:38

aware of a specific room in

1:36:40

that area as predicted by

1:36:42

a good case. In

1:36:44

that case, he actually predicted and

1:36:47

used my name that I would be the

1:36:49

one that would discover it and make it

1:36:51

known in the future.

1:36:53

Jesus, Bill, you're dropping a big one

1:36:55

on us here. Edgar

1:36:58

Casey mentions your name. Yeah,

1:37:00

no, I didn't even know that people come to

1:37:02

me and said, did you know Edgar Casey writes

1:37:05

about you? Now, what

1:37:07

the information that he's talking about is what I

1:37:10

have done up to right now, including

1:37:13

what I have found that I've never gone public

1:37:15

about. So

1:37:17

I'm going back this time and

1:37:19

I'm trying to work officially with

1:37:21

the official Egyptian government to

1:37:23

make the area that

1:37:27

I still own the property. They've knocked

1:37:29

down everybody's house in the area

1:37:31

in the village, and I'm

1:37:34

the only one who has not sold out. I

1:37:36

still own the property. Oh, they want

1:37:38

to buy it from you because they're rebuilding that whole area,

1:37:41

right? Well, they are, but they're

1:37:43

not getting mine. Oh,

1:37:46

boy. And I have lawyers protecting

1:37:48

me, okay? I do own it. I'm

1:37:51

going to tell you right now, I got $75,000 into this project. I'm

1:37:54

not about to give it up, and I don't think the Egyptian

1:37:56

government is going to give me that much money for it. Yeah.

1:38:00

But I'm trying to turn it

1:38:02

into an official archaeological project by

1:38:05

them. And we

1:38:07

know that if they will open that

1:38:09

up, that it will reveal the tunnel

1:38:11

systems that we're talking about. We

1:38:14

know we have pictures of

1:38:17

what's down there. So this property you

1:38:19

bought, did you buy it specifically because

1:38:21

it had a tunnel entrance? I

1:38:24

bought it because, in case you said, it gave

1:38:27

me the location. The coordinates that

1:38:30

I can see predicted

1:38:32

is what I used to buy the property.

1:38:34

Oh my God. I

1:38:38

think that's great. We

1:38:42

have discovered a room with

1:38:45

no entrances, no doors,

1:38:48

no windows, no nothing. It's just solid. Inside

1:38:51

this room is some information. And

1:38:54

my goal is to access it. Let

1:38:57

me ask you, are any of the

1:38:59

photographs that you are sending of the

1:39:02

room or of the shaft

1:39:04

area that are on your property? I

1:39:07

think I'm

1:39:09

reviewing the episode

1:39:12

two right now. Oh, OK. There's

1:39:14

so much of it that I do

1:39:16

believe, Trevor, you can answer. And I

1:39:19

think we do show the GPR scans

1:39:21

of the area, right? But

1:39:23

we don't show it too. But

1:39:26

we don't show this room. OK.

1:39:29

You show the scan. We

1:39:32

show the other rooms. But the

1:39:34

room that we're talking about, and

1:39:36

Casey's talking about, it's part

1:39:39

of the hall records that

1:39:41

I'm here to uncover.

1:39:44

And we also have that in other areas also. But

1:39:47

the stable area, the house that I own,

1:39:50

we are officially trying to make it. I've

1:39:53

read the contract to try

1:39:56

and get some

1:39:58

private funding to help me. established

1:40:01

this project. Wow.

1:40:04

Well, if we can find some people

1:40:06

out there that might be interested in

1:40:09

helping with the financing of an official

1:40:11

authorized project, this is what

1:40:13

we want. Yeah. Let's

1:40:16

have you send me a link to

1:40:18

whatever the page is that you're looking

1:40:20

for crowdfunding or whatever you're working on.

1:40:23

I'll post it on our Facebook page. Trevor,

1:40:26

as we conclude, what are your final thoughts on

1:40:28

your work? Would you like to be interested to

1:40:31

hear what you're hoping for? Yeah. Well,

1:40:34

we're really trying to raise awareness with

1:40:36

this documentary. In

1:40:38

part one, we did talk a lot about the

1:40:40

scans, but in part two, we will get more

1:40:42

into some photos and video. So that's very exciting.

1:40:45

And we're going to try

1:40:47

and flush out this whole story within three

1:40:49

episodes. But we're

1:40:52

hoping to be able to do some real

1:40:54

excavations, get permission from the Ministry of Antiquities

1:40:56

and be working there as soon

1:40:59

as this fall, potentially. Wow.

1:41:03

Yeah, we're just trying to get this story out.

1:41:05

There's a lot more information coming. Looking

1:41:09

forward to it. William

1:41:11

Brown and Trevor Grassi,

1:41:13

it's a pleasure to

1:41:16

have you both on the program. I'm

1:41:18

very excited. Let's have a

1:41:20

gallery from you. At least give me the

1:41:22

first version of this series so

1:41:24

we can have it up on Facebook. And

1:41:29

we'll support you as much as possible. I think

1:41:31

what you're doing is fabulous. And

1:41:35

we hear Earth Engine support your work.

1:41:37

So thanks for joining me. And

1:41:41

how can people get a hold of you, Trevor

1:41:44

and Bill? He'll

1:41:47

send you the links. Okay. Trevor,

1:41:50

do you want to give us a web link to

1:41:52

your website? My

1:41:55

website has some issues sometimes. But

1:41:58

on Facebook or... There's

1:42:00

the YouTube channel, which is where the

1:42:03

next part will be premiering. And

1:42:06

the YouTube channel is the

1:42:08

title of the secret underworld

1:42:11

of Giza, right? Mm-hmm.

1:42:14

Yeah, it's just Trevor Grouse, who's the channel.

1:42:16

So to get notifications on there, you'll see

1:42:18

part two. Okay, excellent. So

1:42:20

wonderful. We're going to post, again,

1:42:23

we're going to post a gallery

1:42:25

and we will put up part one. You

1:42:28

can find it on Facebook or Earth

1:42:30

Agency, either the international or

1:42:32

the group page. Hey, great

1:42:35

having you both on the program and

1:42:37

let's have you back. Yeah, thanks

1:42:39

so much. Hope to see you in Egypt this

1:42:41

month. Okay. We'll

1:42:43

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So what do you think? What do you think

1:44:25

about this information? Is this something that

1:44:27

the general public should know about? Should

1:44:29

they know that there is an extensive

1:44:32

tunnel system in the Giza

1:44:34

Plateau that connects with the

1:44:36

major monuments, the Sphinx,

1:44:38

the Great Pyramid, all the

1:44:41

pyramids, Causeway. Remember, that's

1:44:43

the area that was built from

1:44:45

the original Nile and

1:44:48

allows people to walk probably

1:44:51

from the Nile River all

1:44:53

the way to the Sphinx. All the

1:44:55

way to the pyramid. Why

1:44:58

don't we know about this? Is this something that we

1:45:01

should – why should it be hidden? Why

1:45:03

should it not be disclosed to the general public?

1:45:06

What do you think? What's your feeling?

1:45:09

Are we left to ponder

1:45:11

why the authorities feel that it's

1:45:14

not of any importance

1:45:16

to us? It

1:45:18

looks like it's part of the original

1:45:21

plateau. If it

1:45:24

was a water system, what

1:45:26

was it fulfilling? What was

1:45:29

the system used for? Should we just kept in

1:45:31

the dark on this? I mean,

1:45:35

I'm just curious. I,

1:45:37

for one, find it somewhat

1:45:40

concerning that we are not allowed

1:45:42

to get the

1:45:45

details. If

1:45:47

you ask me, I think the

1:45:49

biggest problem is that there's a

1:45:51

technology used to cut into

1:45:53

bedrock to make these causeways, these

1:45:55

underground tunnels. If you look at the photograph, you

1:45:57

can see the underground tunnels. in

1:46:00

the gallery, you will

1:46:02

see perfectly square

1:46:06

venting systems that

1:46:08

are all over the Giza Plateau. And

1:46:11

you'll see an example of what I've seen,

1:46:14

which is these covered

1:46:16

or, yeah,

1:46:19

they're protective covers over the openings

1:46:21

of these shafts. Now,

1:46:25

Bill mentioned that they were cemented, I guess,

1:46:28

to – I mean, I

1:46:30

don't know why. I don't remember what he said about why they

1:46:32

would cement them. But

1:46:36

why isn't this not listed in

1:46:39

the references to

1:46:41

the Giza Plateau? Likely,

1:46:43

it just brings up too many questions. This is

1:46:46

the whole thing. And we're in

1:46:48

a time period now where we're only given

1:46:51

what they feel we should

1:46:53

be provided in terms

1:46:55

of understanding ancient

1:46:57

Egypt. And it's

1:47:00

unacceptable for me. I'm

1:47:02

not an academic, and

1:47:05

I'm not an Egyptologist or

1:47:08

an archaeologist. I

1:47:10

just want to know why. I'm just curious as

1:47:12

to these ancient

1:47:14

cultures. Why

1:47:18

not tell us about the

1:47:20

tunnel system? Why not spend

1:47:22

some money and get in there and find out, are

1:47:25

there temples underneath the

1:47:28

plateau? Is

1:47:30

there meetings areas? Are there

1:47:33

burials? I'd

1:47:35

like to know more. So

1:47:39

we're going to have both Bill and

1:47:42

Trevor back and probably

1:47:44

– we'll have

1:47:46

them back when the second document

1:47:49

3 is finished, and

1:47:51

they have more information to provide. I

1:47:55

mean, this is the curiosities

1:47:58

of our – archaeology

1:48:01

that I find very

1:48:04

problematic. And

1:48:07

if we're being fed history and

1:48:09

we can't question it, then

1:48:13

there's problems with that. And if

1:48:15

archeologists and Egyptologists are gonna get upset, screw

1:48:18

them. I remember when

1:48:20

there was a debate with Robert Schock and

1:48:24

John Anthony West with Mark

1:48:27

Lariner and some Egyptologists

1:48:29

in a room, and

1:48:31

basically Lariner says, there's no proof

1:48:33

of an ancient civilization. And

1:48:36

his famous words were, show me

1:48:38

the part shards. Well,

1:48:40

I like to drag him down

1:48:42

in these shafts with

1:48:45

an engineer and say, hey, how did they

1:48:47

make these, Mark? I

1:48:49

wanna hear your explanation. This is what

1:48:51

really pisses me off about these historians,

1:48:54

these archeologists who are writing our history.

1:48:56

The real fact of the matter is

1:48:59

these people have

1:49:01

us by the short hairs, because

1:49:03

it's like, it's their word for our

1:49:06

history. When you pull up the anomalies,

1:49:08

when you, I think it

1:49:10

would be wonderful if they found

1:49:12

a cutting machine that cut

1:49:14

the blocks or bore

1:49:17

the tunnels of Giza Plateau.

1:49:20

So we know exactly the methods

1:49:22

that were used. They

1:49:25

would find excuses to discredit

1:49:27

that, I'm sure. So

1:49:30

I'm not into conspiracies, but

1:49:34

this really begins to stretch

1:49:38

the imagination in

1:49:41

terms of why they would do something like

1:49:44

this and not give us the details. So we

1:49:47

find our own avenues, and this is

1:49:49

what Earth Ancients is all about, is

1:49:51

to bring the experts, people who are

1:49:54

experiencing construction, in

1:49:58

cutting technology, in... tool

1:50:01

manufacturer and

1:50:03

so forth to give

1:50:06

us a point of view, a point

1:50:08

of reference as

1:50:11

to what is happening here. What are we looking at?

1:50:13

Why does it look so unusual,

1:50:15

so perfect, so forth and so on.

1:50:18

All right,

1:50:21

this has been an extended program, but I want

1:50:23

to thank my guest today, William

1:50:25

Brown. He came to us from

1:50:27

Poland and Trevor

1:50:29

Grassi, who's in

1:50:31

the United States. As always,

1:50:34

thanks to the team of Gail Tor,

1:50:36

Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this

1:50:38

thing happen. You guys rock.

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