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Welcome

1:03

to special coverage from Vanity Fair's

1:05

Dynasty. About what happens next for

1:07

the British royal family now that Charles III

1:09

has been crowned. I'm Katie Nicholl,

1:11

Vanity Fair's royal correspondent. I'm

1:14

Erin Vanderhoof, staff writer at Vanity Fair.

1:17

And here on Dynasty, we analyze the

1:19

interplay of power and personality.

1:22

As the Windsor

1:22

family enters a new era under a new

1:24

monarch, and what this all means for

1:26

the United Kingdom and its place in the world. Well,

1:29

we received an array of messages from you,

1:31

our listeners, about what you made of

1:34

the recent events.

1:36

Hello, my name is Barbara Ivory.

1:39

I'm from Chicago, Illinois.

1:41

When King Charles III can embrace

1:44

both of his sons with

1:46

love and not tradition, and

1:49

Harry, be true to Harry

1:51

as the man he chose to be and

1:54

not a follower of tradition, then

1:57

he has a stab at being a ruler.

2:00

real kink. Wow, Barbara. Go,

2:02

Barbara. It was beautiful

2:04

as poetry. Let's listen to another

2:06

voice memo. Honestly, I think

2:08

it was very spiteful of

2:11

Charles to call Harry to specifically

2:15

beg him to come. And

2:17

then to see him so far back that no one

2:19

could see him. It

2:21

seems like her feelings are still running

2:24

the show. My name is Pamela

2:26

Simon. I live in

2:29

La Crosse, Wisconsin.

2:31

Well, it's interesting, isn't it? Pamela and Barbara

2:33

are definitely in the same camp there and

2:35

feel that Harry being demoted wasn't

2:38

the right thing to do. You know, listening to that

2:40

really made me think a bit about your

2:42

great article from earlier this week about why

2:45

Prince Harry even bothered to come to

2:47

the coronation at all. Your sources

2:49

said that the family was pretty puzzled by his quick

2:51

turnaround trip to the UK.

2:54

Have you heard any development since then?

2:57

I did speak to my sources sort of following

3:00

that weekend and just to find out really

3:02

what the feeling was, whether there was any sadness

3:06

about Harry really not being a part

3:08

at all of the celebrations. Then

3:11

we learned that he actually did go

3:13

back to Buckingham Palace very briefly, we

3:15

understand, after leaving the Abbey.

3:17

Now, that would have been a perfect

3:20

moment for him to have seen his father and

3:22

his stepmother to have offered his congratulations

3:25

and just to have had a family moment.

3:27

I was told there was a place set for him at

3:30

this informal buffet lunch that took

3:32

place after the official photographs had been taken.

3:36

That was cleared away when it was evident that Harry

3:38

wasn't going to be around. That

3:40

certainly showed to me that there was a

3:42

willingness on the part of the King and the Royal Family

3:44

for Harry to be there. So it's very interesting,

3:47

I think, to hear Barbara's point

3:49

of view. I suspect that she speaks

3:51

for many people because I think when

3:54

we consider our Royal Family and what they're meant

3:56

to represent, and I've said this on the podcast before,

3:59

they are meant to represent. present unity. We

4:01

look to them not necessarily as a perfect

4:03

family because no such thing exists. And

4:06

they're in the papers more for the scandals,

4:08

the divorces, the rifts, etc. Probably,

4:11

if you clock up the tabloid inches, than

4:13

for anything else. Nonetheless, it

4:15

is still a family and one we look to

4:18

for togetherness. And I do think that Barbara is

4:20

right, that many people will only

4:22

see King Charles as a success

4:25

and as someone to look up to if he

4:27

is able to heal this rift at

4:29

the heart of his own family.

4:31

I don't know, Erin, what do you think? Do you think Harry is now

4:33

just a subplot and not part

4:35

of the bigger picture or was

4:38

his sort of blink and you miss it moment actually,

4:40

ultimately, quite damaging for

4:43

the image of the royal family? You know, I think it's not

4:45

a coincidence that that comment came from somebody

4:47

who's an American because I think that

4:49

Harry has become sort of the American

4:52

royal and he's the person that we're getting a lot of coverage

4:54

of. It's something that I've said in the past that

4:57

I think that, you know, the pals could be doing a lot more

4:59

to engage American outlets

5:01

to talk about the charity work

5:03

because definitely when

5:05

it comes to the American interest right now,

5:08

you know, the thing that people are hearing about is

5:10

the divide between the

5:12

brothers and the divide between Charles

5:14

and his younger son.

5:16

And coming to understand his daily

5:19

work, you understand

5:19

something different about him as a person

5:22

that I think it's just a lack of understanding, I

5:24

think, for Americans, honestly. Which

5:27

is a problem because, you know, the monarch and the

5:29

monarchy has to have that, we've talked about

5:31

it, haven't we, that connection with the people.

5:33

If there's, if they're feeling a disconnect at the

5:35

heart of this family, that's

5:39

not appealing. That's going to turn people off

5:42

the royal family. And I think one of the greatest challenges

5:44

for the king is not just

5:46

keeping the commonwealth together or keeping the U

5:49

in the United Kingdom. I think it's closer

5:51

to home than that. I think it is within his own

5:53

family. If we think back to the very first speech

5:55

he gave as king, you know, he

5:58

said that he wished Meghan and Harry well

6:00

in their new lives in America.

6:03

And I think we're going

6:05

to be watching very closely, aren't we now, to see

6:08

exactly what Harry and Meghan are going to

6:10

do next, what their big philanthropic

6:12

role is going to look like. And

6:15

one would hope that that can exist

6:17

alongside the

6:20

work that the royals do. I was speaking

6:23

to an aide who'd worked with both William and Harry

6:25

for many, many years. And he said to me

6:28

that actually the Sussexes are not a threat to the

6:30

Wales family because they're both going to occupy

6:32

very different spheres. And Meghan

6:34

and Harry are going to take on the philanthropic world,

6:37

and I suppose the world of celebrity, which is

6:39

very evident, in a way that William and Kate

6:41

never could and absolutely

6:43

don't want to. So it's going to be interesting to see

6:46

how these two royal couples on opposite

6:49

sides of the Atlantic navigate their

6:51

way moving forwards. But I do think

6:54

most people agree with Barbara and want to

6:56

see a reconciliation. And I

6:58

do think the ball was in Harry's court to sort

7:01

of perhaps break the ice on that. I know

7:03

he was desperate to get back for his son, Archie's

7:05

fourth birthday. But at some

7:07

point, I think we've all missed children's birthdays because of something

7:10

terribly important. And actually, the

7:12

coronation is hugely important.

7:15

There's not going to be another coronation

7:17

of King Charles. That was it. And

7:20

as I say, I think it was great

7:22

that Harry was there. I think it's just a great shame that

7:24

it was so fleeting. I'm so glad that

7:26

the coronation portraits came so soon after

7:29

the events on Saturday.

7:30

They're photos fit for a king.

7:33

The official coronation photographs of King

7:35

Charles III and Queen Camilla,

7:38

along with Britain's new slimmed down royal

7:40

family.

7:41

We saw everybody in their mantles,

7:43

their robes, kind of in action

7:45

as they were moving. But it was amazing to just kind of see

7:48

the sumptuousness of them when

7:50

they're all posed. And I think, looking

7:52

at the portraits, you realize, okay, this

7:55

is the future of the monarchy.

7:57

But at the same time, it's A

8:00

lot of the people there have been serving Britain

8:02

for more than 50 years, and that, you

8:06

know, I think that seeing that photo was a sign

8:08

of just, you know, what

8:10

is really missing now that Harry and Meghan are

8:12

really gone? That I think you're right that,

8:15

you know, we from the outside, it seemed pretty

8:17

obvious to us that Meghan and

8:19

Harry have different interests than Will and Kate

8:22

insofar as there were conflicts

8:24

between them from the get-go. It was just that the pair,

8:26

like, sees the world very differently.

8:29

And so it, but you do,

8:32

that to me, I think, was one of the things I really did take away from the photos

8:34

is just what it is, what you lose by

8:36

losing Harry and Meghan. And

8:39

I think his absence is keenly

8:41

felt in those pictures. I mean, when you consider

8:43

how much family was a part of this

8:46

huge, ornate medieval ceremony

8:48

at the heart of it, it felt like a family

8:50

affair. You know, had the Camilla, had the Parker Bowls

8:53

is right up close so that they could

8:55

see and witness her being anointed on

8:57

the other side of the theatre in the Abbey.

9:00

You had Charles's closest

9:02

immediate family and then just a few rows behind

9:04

the Middletons because of course they're hugely

9:07

important as far as William and Kate are concerned.

9:09

And then you look at those official pictures and

9:11

Harry's not in it. And there is

9:14

just a sense of loss, I think, at the

9:16

heart of all of this. And I did ask my contact

9:19

how the King was feeling about it. And I was told,

9:21

as a father, deeply saddened

9:24

because you have to remember that Charles's

9:26

image for this scaled down monarchy,

9:29

which we see today, absolutely

9:31

included Harry and Meghan. And

9:33

I do think not having the Sussexes

9:36

at the coronation was, yes,

9:38

all right, probably more convenient in terms of optics

9:41

and perhaps less of a headache for the palace. But

9:43

in terms of the bigger picture, I think

9:45

it's a great shame because they could have come over with their

9:48

children. They could have been there. I

9:50

mean, Archie and Lilybert are now prince and

9:52

princess. They should have, perhaps I think

9:54

most people feel, been at

9:56

that coronation. You do wonder,

9:58

given everything Harry went through as a child, whether

10:00

that was a deliberate decision for him to come on his own so

10:02

that he wasn't putting those children in

10:04

the spotlight. Well, and I think it's

10:06

hard to, you know, think about

10:09

the

10:09

weekend without thinking of the really

10:12

wonderful photo of Megan hiking

10:14

in California over the weekend. My first

10:16

thought when I saw that was like, whoa, those are broken-in

10:19

hiking boots. We actually... I have the same pair of hiking

10:21

boots that she does, and there...

10:23

you can tell she really gets somewhere in them, and

10:25

I think that there's... Yeah, but... Oh, sorry, Erin.

10:27

But who goes out in that much bling when you're

10:29

hiking? That was a little... I'm bling a boulder on her wrists,

10:32

right? That was very funny. It's slightly trusty for a hike. That

10:34

was really funny. That was great. Well,

10:37

once again, I feel like it's amazing that

10:39

Megan is just this person that it's like, ah, Americans

10:41

look at her and they're like, she's just like me for real.

10:44

That was really great. I really... That's

10:47

what I would want to be doing on that day. No offence

10:50

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12:25

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12:27

you see this dynasty in

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the making, you see this Succession

12:32

all lined up, the next two

12:35

generations of kings there witnessing

12:37

this moment in history and knowing it is

12:39

all going to be played out again and of Hallis advisors,

12:42

they all

12:43

absolutely know that this

12:45

image of this young

12:47

dynasty of Wales is the future

12:50

and that's why they were so center stage. And

12:52

I think Saturday you get

12:54

Kate, the Princess of Wales in her, you

12:57

know, the Royal Victorian Order mantle and

12:59

her not a tiara, but pretty

13:02

sparkly headpiece. She

13:04

was never the star of anything over

13:06

the whole weekend, but like her presence, I

13:09

think is what really brings it all together. I completely

13:11

agree. She didn't steal any moments, but my

13:14

goodness, didn't she look like a queen in

13:16

waiting? She was just flawless

13:17

and so

13:20

central to the whole thing. And she has that amazing

13:22

ability to be so central and yet

13:24

not too upstage or too eclipse.

13:27

And she's really got that down to a tee.

13:30

And I think, you know, with her and William, you see a great

13:32

team and, well, you

13:34

know, courtiers must just be sighing a breath of relief

13:37

that they are as solid as they are, that this

13:39

is a partnership that works, that they've

13:41

got these gorgeous three photogenic, divine

13:44

little children who are going to keep you and me, Erin,

13:46

writing column inches for many, many years to come

13:48

because their antics are just, they

13:51

just flow thick and fast. I mean, Louis is clearly

13:54

such a little character. I'm sure he's going to be the

13:56

naughty one. I think, you know, we also saw

13:58

George have a... confidence

14:00

that I've not seen him display before.

14:02

When he was up on that balcony for the fly

14:05

pass, you could see him chatting with the other

14:07

pages, pointing up at the fly

14:09

pass. You know, where there was a time when George

14:11

was really quite shy and you could see that Charlotte

14:13

was much more the outgoing personality, but I really

14:16

feel that George is growing into himself.

14:18

He's growing into his royal role. And

14:20

I think with the support of his sister

14:22

by his side and now with little Louis as a side act,

14:25

again, they've got each other

14:27

and we're going to see them on that balcony

14:29

many more times. I suspect the

14:32

next time is going to be at Trooping McCullough in June,

14:34

but you know, we're not going to go backwards

14:36

from here. This is going forwards. And of course, the

14:38

challenge for William and Kate

14:40

is how to juggle this ordinary, lovely,

14:42

pretty low key family life that they live in Windsor

14:45

with the big central roles that they're

14:47

going to play at the heart of

14:50

the royal family.

14:51

In a certain way, as

14:53

much as

14:54

emphasizing the family aspects makes

14:57

it a lot more of a relatable and

14:59

emotional ceremony, I do understand

15:02

why there are still a lot of Britons

15:04

who look at that and say, okay, why

15:07

is this family getting this thing? You know,

15:09

when the rest of us are

15:11

struggling, struggling to put food on the table,

15:15

unable to pay the bills. Absolutely. Britain

15:18

is in a cost of living crisis. This country

15:20

is not in a good way right now. And we

15:24

saw some resistance to the

15:28

scale of the coronation, to the expense. I mean, there

15:30

was a very well organized

15:32

protest that took place at Trafalgar Square.

15:35

We've come to protest the monarchy, especially

15:37

King Charles. We don't think

15:39

he belongs in a democratic society to

15:41

be honest. And I think actually the only real

15:43

controversy and negative fallout in terms

15:45

of all of the coverage of the weekend, which was, I

15:47

would say, overwhelmingly a success,

15:50

was of course the arrest of 52 protesters.

15:53

And that has been very controversial in itself. We

15:55

had a huge police operation. We had 11,500 police

15:57

officers. on

16:00

our streets. It was extraordinary.

16:02

And there has been criticism

16:04

over how they dealt with those protesters

16:07

because this looked like a peaceful

16:09

protest. Now we understand that the arrests were made

16:11

because the police were fearful that these protesters

16:13

would have frightened the horses, which could

16:15

have been absolutely disastrous and

16:17

it would be incredibly dangerous. One horse

16:20

rearing up or slipping or being

16:23

spooked could send the whole thing going

16:25

like a pack of dominoes. So

16:27

I understand they didn't want to take any risks, but there has

16:29

been a lot

16:29

of criticism that, you know, Britain, we are a free

16:32

democratic society. Republic

16:35

is the main anti-monarchy

16:38

pressure group. Not my king!

16:40

Not my king! Really

16:42

telling that the symbol

16:45

or the slogan that Republic uses,

16:48

not my king, is the one that they use.

16:50

Because I think that when you have people who are

16:52

able to say without facing consequences,

16:55

this is not my king. One of the things that

16:57

you realize in how

17:00

hesitant to even have a debate

17:02

people have been for, you

17:04

know, the better part of the late Queen's reign,

17:07

nobody was making the case for why

17:09

the monarchy is good.

17:11

It was for a very long time that it was just assumed

17:14

that

17:15

it is such a part of national identity

17:17

that it has to be good. There's

17:19

a generation of people who haven't had this case

17:22

affirmatively made for them. They didn't live through

17:24

World War II. They weren't raised

17:26

by World War II veterans and kind

17:28

of have that national mythology in their heads. So

17:31

it's just about making the case. There

17:33

are many people, and we know, particularly within that 18

17:36

to 24 age category, who don't

17:38

really understand why we have a hereditary

17:41

monarch that hasn't been voted

17:44

in. It's a very alien

17:45

concept, particularly to young people. So

17:47

those are the people that Charles is going to have to

17:49

really forge a connection with. And

17:51

I think in many ways actions will speak

17:54

louder than words in terms of what he does. But,

17:56

you know, are we going to see him open

17:58

up more of Buckingham Palace? to the public

18:00

and turn it into something akin to a museum?

18:03

Are we going to see more access to the

18:05

other royal residences? Are we going to

18:07

see him give back to the nation,

18:10

just as he did with his wind farms, which are

18:12

on the North seabed, the profits of

18:14

that, which technically do

18:17

go back to the Crown, he has given

18:19

to the British public? So we've seen

18:21

him take certain measures, but are there going

18:23

to be more? And we can't do

18:25

this sort of wrap up episode of the coronation without

18:28

mentioning Penny Morden

18:29

and how the pen is mightier, dare

18:32

we say, than the sword.

18:34

She was really kind of the... Might as mighty

18:36

as the sword in this case. She could definitely...

18:39

I read that she was doing push-ups in preparation

18:41

for carrying that sword, which to me is so

18:44

impressive. Yeah, building up those fire

18:46

serps. So Penny Morden

18:48

is Lord President of the Council and she

18:50

was responsible for bearing the sword of state and

18:53

presenting the jeweled sword of offering

18:55

to the king. And Erin, by the way, that

18:57

is the first time it's been carried and

18:59

presented

18:59

by a woman. And what a sterling

19:02

job she did. Probably unintentional,

19:04

but one connection that I noticed that beautiful

19:07

turquoise dress that she wore with the cape

19:09

over the shoulders was made by Sophia,

19:11

the brand that also

19:13

made the beautiful dress

19:16

with a cape that Meghan Markle wore to

19:18

a service at Royal Albert

19:20

Hall back in their last week of engagements

19:23

back in March 2020. So

19:25

I just immediately looking at it, I was like,

19:27

that cape looks familiar to me. And it turned

19:29

out to

19:29

be the... It was a fabulous

19:32

outfit, wasn't it? I mean, she really did look

19:34

exceptional. And apparently the way she

19:37

got through that was a good breakfast, sensible

19:39

shoes, she said, and popping painkillers.

19:42

But she definitely did emerge

19:44

as the surprise breakout star.

19:46

That and along with Prime Minister Rishi

19:49

Sunak reading the epistle

19:51

during the service. A

19:54

reading from the epistle to the Colossians.

19:57

I think that because my introduction to

19:59

both of them as figures came so

20:02

came last summer during the very contentious

20:05

Tory leadership battle that

20:07

it was nice to

20:09

see them in a just like different light.

20:11

And I think that that speaks to why it's useful

20:14

for the British government to

20:16

participate in these, you

20:19

know, issues. I think part of the downside though

20:21

is, you know, after Penny Morton goes viral, then

20:24

you get many, many people online

20:26

saying she should be our prime minister. And it's like, oh,

20:28

I didn't, you know, carrying a sword is a little

20:30

different than being the prime minister, but okay. I'll

20:34

tell you what shocked me actually, Erin, was the

20:36

number of politicians given

20:38

invitations to the Abbey bearing in mind

20:41

that, you know, the guest list was very much stripped

20:43

of the peerage, the lords and ladies, the

20:46

earls and counts and countesses and baronesses

20:48

and etc, etc.

20:49

who essentially were

20:51

largely behind putting the House of Windsor

20:53

where it is today. Those families span

20:56

centuries of loyalty to the crown. You

20:58

know, we knew that they were being

21:00

stripped out. We knew that this was a scaled back

21:02

coronation in terms of 2000 or so invitations going

21:06

out rather than the 8000 to the Queen. Yes,

21:09

I expected to see sort of international heads

21:11

of state because that's the convening power

21:13

of the monarchy and that it's soft power that

21:15

it does so brilliantly and better

21:18

than any other politician. But I was surprised

21:19

by the number of British politicians

21:22

that were there. And of course, there is a lot of talk, isn't

21:24

there, about how political with a small

21:26

p our new king is going

21:28

to be. And only recently we learned of a

21:30

bit of a row, didn't we, Erin, between him and Boris

21:32

Johnson over Rwanda. Tell us more about that. Oh,

21:35

yes. So this week, writing in the Daily Mail,

21:37

one of the former 10 Downing chiefs of

21:39

communication said that, you

21:42

know, it had broken in the news

21:44

that Charles

21:45

did not like a government

21:48

plan of deportations. It got a lot of pushback

21:50

in a lot of different corners. You know, Charles is not alone in

21:53

in apparently if he did like

21:55

holding that opinion. But what the

21:58

former chief communication chief

21:59

Johnson said is that Boris Johnson

22:02

yelled at Charles for 15 minutes

22:05

because he had criticized that plan. Which

22:08

is extraordinary. So just to interrupt

22:10

you, he yelled at Charles

22:12

for 15 minutes. You know, that

22:15

is extraordinary. That is bravery.

22:18

Bravery or stupidity, we have to wait and

22:20

see. But I think to me that

22:22

story really highlights

22:24

the real danger

22:27

that, you know,

22:28

both the

22:30

monarchy and the British

22:33

government is finding themselves in at this

22:35

point because, you know, Walter Batchat

22:37

said in the 19th century that a

22:40

monarch has the right to encourage,

22:42

to advise, and to warn.

22:45

But a commensurate part of that is that the government

22:47

doesn't have to listen. And

22:50

you find yourself in these situations where

22:53

they're carrying out actions in his name that

22:55

he's not supposed to comment on. I

22:58

think that this is what comes downstream of

23:00

the UK facing political

23:02

turmoil and having installed a new

23:04

monarch is that that relationship

23:07

is going to be, has been rocked. And

23:10

what that means over the next few years is

23:13

really up in the air. But eventually, you

23:15

know, I think that it seems that

23:18

even just by the fact that we know about

23:21

this, you know, Boris Johnson

23:24

fight and that we know about

23:26

the backroom discussions about

23:28

whether or not Charles would attend COP,

23:31

the climate change

23:33

meeting last fall, like

23:36

I think already we've moved into

23:38

a new phase of the relationship

23:40

between the palace and 10 Downing

23:43

Street. And I think it's going to be very curious

23:45

to see how that keeps going because I think, like,

23:48

you know, you can count the number of times where

23:50

such information got out about the Queen on

23:52

like one hand. Yes, those meetings

23:54

between the Queen and the Prime Minister were always

23:57

kept absolutely off

23:59

the road. record, although I think one or two have

24:01

been known to breach that rule

24:04

in memoirs for which they were paid very high advances.

24:07

David Cameron. However, I think

24:09

you're right, Erwin, it's going to be really, really interesting

24:11

to watch, isn't it? I mean, as Prince of Wales,

24:13

obviously he was able to flex more

24:16

political muscle, although he still had to be careful

24:18

even then. And I spoke to Robert Hassell

24:20

when I was writing The New Royals. And

24:23

he said, when Charles is king, which he is

24:25

obviously now, he's going to have to be very, very

24:27

careful. It's going to be a very delicate balancing

24:29

act. And I think that is going to be a challenge for a man

24:31

who we know does have strong

24:34

opinions on certain things

24:36

and perhaps doesn't always think that

24:38

our politicians get things right. So that

24:41

relationship with him, those weekly audiences

24:43

with Rishi Sunak are going

24:45

to be very, very important. And on one

24:48

hand, as the longest

24:50

serving Prince of Wales in our history,

24:52

he arguably has far

24:55

more experience than any prime minister that's going

24:57

to walk through the doors into

24:59

that intimate palace meeting. And I

25:01

think it's going to come down to getting that

25:03

balance right. He said himself, he

25:05

absolutely understands that as king, his

25:08

role in any intervention has to change. But

25:10

I also think as king, he

25:12

hasn't had a personality transplant. He still

25:14

cares about these issues and where he feels he

25:17

can warn, encourage and advise,

25:19

he's absolutely going to do that. That's

25:21

what he's going to do for

25:22

us. Dynasty

25:23

will be right back after a short break.

25:42

You know, what we're going to think about the reign of

25:44

Charles has so much more to do with

25:46

global forces

25:48

and with politicians who he

25:50

can only advise, like we said. But I think that you

25:55

can already see that when

25:58

we've been talking about this, I think that we've been seeing.

25:59

so much more of that reintroducing

26:03

Charles as an emotional figure because I think

26:05

now

26:06

it really does kind of come down to whether

26:08

or not

26:09

people just kind of like him as a

26:11

figure. And I thought that there was no

26:13

more fascinating time to look at that than

26:16

the Coordination Concert, which was both

26:19

a really, really well executed

26:21

event. I talked to the planners

26:23

who were talking about just how

26:26

difficult it was to design a stage

26:28

in the back of Windsor

26:31

Castle in a place where people rarely get

26:33

to go.

26:33

Wherever

26:38

you may live, the new life

26:40

is here, all in the realms

26:42

and territories.

26:43

But then I

26:45

loved all of the moments where we found

26:47

out about Charles' love of squirrels,

26:50

where Tom Cruise said

26:52

pilot to pilot. I think that I was

26:56

honestly surprised by just how much it

26:58

was both kind of using some of the things that

27:01

have been said about him negatively in the past, like him

27:03

talking to trees and pointing out how

27:05

much of a positive that is to people now

27:07

in 2023. What did you think of

27:09

the concert?

27:10

Well, I thought the concert was wonderful. We

27:12

all thought it was going to be a bit of a disappointment, I

27:14

think, originally because it didn't have the big headline

27:16

acts like Elton John and Ed Sheeran.

27:18

But actually it really didn't matter because the concert

27:21

was fantastic. It had that amazing

27:23

drone show. I loved

27:25

Lionel Richie. I thought he was great and he got everyone

27:27

in the Royal Box up on their feet

27:29

dancing.

27:33

It

27:38

seemed to tick every box, not

27:40

just the concert, but the whole coronation

27:43

weekend. Yeah, I mean, Lionel

27:45

Richie and Katy Perry both are great examples.

27:49

They came in, did two of their hits, but also mentioned

27:51

the charities that they've worked for with Charles. And

27:54

I think that there's a way in which having that genuine

27:57

emotional enthusiasm about being there

27:59

for Charles,

27:59

was so much more impressive

28:02

than, you know, any

28:05

big name who just was there because they had been

28:07

asked but didn't, weren't like excited to be there. That

28:09

came through really well.

28:11

Erin, you're talking very much about the sort of human

28:13

and emotional side that we got to see of Charles

28:15

over the coronation weekend. And I think you're absolutely right.

28:18

You know, we saw

28:20

him very humbled, very

28:22

solemn, very serious, as you would

28:25

expect, of course, during the actual

28:27

coronation ceremony. But other

28:29

than that, he just seemed to really enjoy

28:31

this moment and he certainly waited long

28:34

enough.

28:36

Come on and sing it on everybody.

28:38

Erin, you'd be working on what I know is gonna be a really

28:41

interesting article about Charles making

28:43

his debut as King Charles III

28:46

on the world stage. Talk us through that. A

28:48

lot of people are feeling

28:50

anxious about the role

28:53

that Britain is playing in the world. You know, the

28:55

idea that Britain is in decline

28:57

is something that people started saying and arguing

29:00

in parliament in the middle

29:02

of the 19th century. Like Britain was at the height

29:04

of its economic and military powers.

29:07

People at the time were already saying like,

29:08

oh no, like we're

29:11

slipping, we're falling off. Like what are we doing?

29:14

And so thinking about military parades,

29:16

you realize that this is one of the first times

29:19

that

29:20

Britain's had a huge military parade where

29:22

there wasn't just like some threat

29:24

to the empire, some threat to the nation

29:27

that was really looming. And instead

29:29

I think that parade wasn't about

29:31

projecting power.

29:34

It was about

29:35

honoring the intricacies of the tradition

29:39

of Britain and the way that those

29:41

things have survived. Anne is like such a

29:43

perfect example of this. Like she's a very great equestrian.

29:46

And so she makes sense like in that military

29:48

role. What can we learn about what

29:50

the country stands for? And I think

29:52

that you learned a lot about tradition. You

29:55

learned a lot about not being afraid

29:57

to embrace some of the sillier sides of

29:59

it. of it, you know, the Charles is very

30:02

purple outfit and all the different

30:04

parts. And I think that that's something I think

30:06

that's something really fascinating that we saw

30:09

on display there. And

30:10

for something that was so

30:12

so referential of the past, it's

30:14

really pointed towards the future. This was an

30:16

opportunity for Britain to show off what it does

30:18

best when you look to Britain to

30:21

try and understand who we are as an

30:23

island and and what defines us

30:25

and what separates us from from

30:27

everyone else and makes us quite unique. And I

30:29

think you only need to look at the ratings that

30:31

the figures run into their millions of

30:34

those who tuned in around the world.

30:36

You know, the British monarchy is still compelling.

30:39

It's still intriguing. And I think it is still

30:41

a source

30:42

of endless fascination for many

30:44

people around the world. There are a lot of places,

30:47

especially in Commonwealth countries, that

30:49

I've heard a lot of people express that like the

30:51

monarchy is necessarily, you

30:54

know, connected to or symbolic of

30:56

slavery. You know, like it even

30:58

if there is a lot of, you know, I

31:00

think that you can,

31:01

as Charles has said, that they that

31:04

they're willing to do is like opening up the Royal Archives.

31:06

There's a lot to be known and understood about

31:08

the contours of that. And the question

31:11

that I've been thinking about recently

31:13

a lot is, you know, how is a coronation

31:17

different than, say, statues of the

31:19

Confederacy? We had a wave about 50

31:21

years after the Civil War where people were going around

31:24

and just putting up statues

31:26

of these losers, like literally they lost

31:28

the war, who represent white

31:31

supremacy to scare African-Americans

31:33

who lived nearby where the statues were, like the statues

31:35

existed to scare people. I think

31:37

that it's really clear to me, the more

31:40

you learn about the history

31:42

of the Windsor's, that

31:45

monarchy is something that's meant a lot of different things. And

31:48

there are ways that

31:51

it has been associated with those things. It's been associated

31:53

with British military might,

31:55

but it doesn't have to be that. But I

31:57

think the real test is going to be like,

31:59

can young people.

31:59

find a reason to

32:02

like living in and being

32:05

in Britain that isn't just symbolic. Like, that's

32:08

not going to be a very convincing argument to anybody

32:10

so long as people are struggling.

32:12

And whether or not they feel like they fit in and how

32:14

much they feel like they belong in the country. And I think

32:17

when you look at the issues that Charles has long

32:19

campaigned on, it bodes well

32:21

for him because the things that he cares about, the

32:24

people he cares about are young people. And

32:26

the things that he cares about are the issues that

32:28

young people care about. It's protecting

32:30

this planet. It's making sure that he leaves

32:32

the planet better than when

32:34

he found it. And that, I think, is going to

32:36

be at the heart of the legacy of

32:38

King Charles III.

32:41

Erin,

32:41

I've so enjoyed the last few weeks

32:44

sort of dissecting the royals,

32:46

their relationships, the coronation,

32:49

and really sort of looking to

32:51

what the future holds. And I'm sure we're going

32:53

to have many more discussions to come over

32:55

the coming weeks and months. Yeah,

32:58

this coronation weekend was really

33:00

just the beginning. And it's good that we're going

33:02

to continue bringing you the latest news on King

33:04

Charles III and the rest of the royal

33:06

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33:20

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33:26

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34:22

God save our King. The

34:25

thing that makes this so special for me is

34:27

the thought that children in the future will

34:30

be learning this date in school history lessons.

34:33

And I will have been a very small part in

34:35

that moment in our little island's

34:37

history. Over here, Megan

34:40

is adored. So we would love to

34:43

see this fairy tale story play out, see

34:45

everybody get a little bit of what they want, and

34:48

see Charles become a better king

34:51

than maybe his mom ever expected.

34:53

Thanks for all that you guys do, and I've enjoyed listening.

34:56

Bye.

35:00

On Dynasty, we analyze the interplay of power and personalities within

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35:04

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35:07

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