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Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The Black

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and his Drink chas motherfucking podcast.

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He's a legendary queen's rapper, he'saigree

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that's your boy Nor he's a Miami

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hippop pioneer d J e

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f N. Together they drinking up with some

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R What up is d J e f N. This

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drink has motherfucking yapia makes up

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right now. When we talk about legends, you

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talk about the man who has been consistent since

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the nineties, kept it out there,

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kept it going. When I googled him,

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this was kind of crazy, today

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was, well,

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it was kind of crazy to today was.

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I didn't realize how many people you were beating with.

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I didn't realize. I was like, wow,

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like she just kept leaving me the other ship and understand.

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But anyway, let's get back to I

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mean, the man is a we can't call

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him a he's a super legend. You

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know when you you could really

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say this, but when you think of a city, you

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think of a man that was there, like that's

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that's who. He's there, holding

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down the whole city

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and just keep getting better and better and better

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and better. And at first like was

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like, what's going on here? You

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realize he's saying ship it's

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not you know, you know what I mean. It's

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in case you don't know who what we're talking about.

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We're talking about one the only motherfucker'

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twister Mason not

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twist. You literally got songs with everybody.

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Yeah, literally the Champagne. It's

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the Champagne going we are looking crazy, man, you

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know what I mean? You're so but you

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got songs with everybody. Yeah, it's a bunch

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of people. Man. So so what

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is that like you do like collaborating?

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Is that something that's that's that's uh

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yeah, yeah, I love collaborating

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one just off the top, just just you

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know, because it's it's my craft. I like doing it.

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But the other thing too, is like you got a lot

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of people that won't get on a song for a particular

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reason or they might think it's

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or something like that. No, No, I'm talking about like they're

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collaborating with with with somebody else. They

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might uh not want to do a

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song because they don't like it. But me, like, I'll

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hear a song and I'll find a way

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or reason to be able to do it and still pull

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out of it what I want to. So that's one of the

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reasons I do a lot of collap bals. What's

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your favorite collap was with rappers

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or R and B singers because you got both

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equally? Oh that's

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a harbor. Probably probably rapp Us,

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you know, you know, because I get to go,

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you know, back and forth with somebody and then a

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lot of times you still have an R and B singer on there

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too, So probably rapp Us. Okay,

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Okay, So let's take it back West side of Chicago,

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right, Yeah, I got notes

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and ship Kate

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Town area. Yeah, let's

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let's say let's take us to the Yeah,

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you Kate Town area, and

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this is where you start, this is where you developed because

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I heard you they said that you learned it through a

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stereo. You was listening to hip hop and you

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you felt like, what's the earliest stuff you were here,

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the earliest stuff that inspired you. I

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mean really like listening to

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see I was on the West side of Chicago, but we

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we had uh h p K. This

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was a college radio station, JP

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Chill on on the on the South side, and he played

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a lot of hip hop and you know the

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Mecca, you know, New York. It was a lot of stuff

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I was listening to as well as a bunch of artists

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on the South side of Chicago, people like

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d A Smart, a bunch of people doing anything.

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And uh so that's how I really really

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got into it and really got

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like advanced because I

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was able to hear a lot of records that a lot of people

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wouldn't have heard if JP Chill wasn't

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playing them joint so so so I was just really

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the manager Eric de Wiz right too, right, yeah,

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okay, And he worked for the radio station. Yeah,

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he was working for the radio stations. And you took

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you do how like? Because like I just asked Pat

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Poost this because he kind of got on through

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K Slave and K Slave was working

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for seven So I always thought

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that that was a plus for Pat Poots. He was telling

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me that was a negative because people always

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would be like, well, uk Slave, boy, you don't need

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my help. Yeah, I mean it

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definitely was some hurdles in there,

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you know, it was from hurdles, but a lot of it

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was just being from from the city, being from Chicago,

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new to the game, learning it, you know,

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not not really being accepted. It wasn't a lot of Chicago

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hip hop artist gap. So we was new,

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you know, coming from the city. You know, so

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like, let let's go. Do you want to why

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the sea? I

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think I think what

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we're going on? Like in New York we see that ship,

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were like what the man we

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was? We was around him a lot. Man you had,

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you had Bishop Bishop, so

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him being from Chicago, we was coming

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outside. He was on Madison Street. We're seeing him

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every day, you know, so him, a lot of

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the guys around. You know. It was just the vibe

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and then the music, you know what I mean. It was

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a lot of a lot with the music. Then my

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man A K from dew or Die. He was the one that

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you know, came to me with the song like let's you

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know, like I want you to jump on this song. So

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so it was just the vibe that we was on at

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the time. You know, you ever

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pimped, No, I ain't

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question you dry for half

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an hour. It didn't work for half I

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ain't got that one. Now. Trust we

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know you're in the gun camp and all that, But today we

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want you to know this is drink chance. This about we celebrate

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our artists. It's about time you get your motherfucking

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flowers. You understand what I'm saying. We're gonna

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drink some champagne. Which, look, you just told

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us you play out at least at

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least in your mind a little bit, right me too. Don't

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work for people. We're gonna celebrate you. We're gonna drink

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up this goddamn champagne. You're gonna have some drinks with

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me. Man, Come on that I

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might take one. Come on, come on now, come on. Oh you

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know you know the day of the show is called drink camps. Right, let

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me pull you up, Let me pull you up. Come on, yeah,

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let me pull you up. So what you've been up

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to? Man? Man? You already

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know. Man, just doing doing a lot of a

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lot of a lot of instructing, a lot of shooting.

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You know, still doing my music

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thing. You know, I got some businesses

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going, you know, still out here moving

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around and enjoying my life. You

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know, trying to uh, how you adapting

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to social media? Um?

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It was crazy at first, I think for everybody,

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but you know, I came along. I think I

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think, once you really are passionate

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about something, you know, because

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people you came from Chipler's

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circuit, like you know, like when Nis like that was the real chip

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from you have to you have to actually go to

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the clubs to get these fans exactly, just

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go online and get these fans? Are you cool

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with that? Is that take you to your drink? So? I think

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it's uh, I think it's come on, what's

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going on here? On?

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You adapt into? Um, you're adapted into I

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think. Um.

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I think with with early on like

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technology, you know, we couldn't get to it. So

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and then you had a few people, you know,

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you had a few artists. You ain't you didn't have a lot

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of people to battle way, but it was hard to get to the

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technology. But then I think once we got

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to it, you had everybody doing

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it. So I think, you know, it's kind

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of hand in hand, Like I don't think one way is harder

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than the other. I think right now it's eating

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like it's easy to promote yourself, but you gotta

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promote yourself next to the person next to the person

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next to the person quarters

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and ship too, right, you're this precious? Remember this

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who precious? No, I wasn't

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mean man the

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actor. Yeah, yeah,

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it wasn't. Yeah, I remember the situation that

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happened. Yeah, what happened? You

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know, someone's going on with my social media. You

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know some some some people was working with social

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media at the time, and and uh got

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a little too loose with with the fingers, you know,

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because you know that definitely ain't my vibe,

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you know for sure, you know, and then you

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know a lot of the true fans they already know. I don't

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know, that wasn't twisted. That wasn't twisted. So you

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know, you know, my apologies to her too. I

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did apologize, but yeah, that wasn't my vibes.

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Make some noise for that.

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But let's let's go back. How did you get

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into chopping? Like? What inspired you to

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start fast? As you started rhyming?

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Um, you know you might have different different names

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for it, but I just got into it

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really just just early on. Want

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to switch up the style a little bit, you know, everybody

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doing like punchlines metaphors. I'm like,

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but I was like rhythmical with it, so I wanted to

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just do something different, So I started just playing

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with the cadence and stuff like that. Then

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it would be like a spurt Head, then a spurt

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Dad. And one day I just decided I want to make a whole

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song like that. You know, you start hearing other

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rappers doing what you're doing a little bit too, you

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know, so I'm like, damn, okay, let me make a whole

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verse like this, you know. So then I made

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this verse called Mr. The Tongue Twister. Then that's

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when everybody's

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yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know, then I just dropped

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the tongue calling twister. You know. So

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the other rappers they were young, You was tongue.

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Look at this dude, you

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know. Did

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you and the dude from Nicks every battle. I

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don't know why I keep feeling like I heard that. No

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we didn't. We didn't actually battle, but me and

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him we had that vibe like like

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he was spitting on his level, I was spitting on my

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level. We saw each other that Uh. It

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was one of the one of I think it was in

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San Francisco, one of the big conventions

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or one

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of the things they had back in the days, and we saw each

10:15

other and just yeah, chick foo. Yeah,

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but uh, you know, we caught that vibe, but we ended

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up chopping it up, you know. So so we never got

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a chance to do a record together, but you

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know, we still probably end up doing something. But yeah,

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chick foo, we we actually had a little

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fear for each other. I was listening to

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that style. I was like, damn, let's killing it, and

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then he was listening to me, like, surely killing you

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know. So we chopped it up about that a little bit.

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That was fun. So let's just be clear. M

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hm. With the first

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fastest tongue in the

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world. Man, it's

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debatable, Man, it's debatable. Okay,

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I feel like you're being too humble, so I'm gonna

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let you say that. But why is it debatable?

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Let me hear that you got people that feel

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other people started like you know, you

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got you got some people

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feel bone thugs and how many started it?

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Some people feel treached on it? Then

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you got I can go back further than that

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with records like uh, jay

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Z and jazz O doing originators, records

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like that, LLL doing records like why

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do you think they call it that

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was that was almost two thousand.

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No, no, not nothing. It was it was, it

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was, it was, it was. It was pretty bad.

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Yeah, that's after. That's

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after. Yeah, no, I don't no,

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it's wait further back now, Yeah,

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yeah, it goes back flavor.

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But that's not what he just said. He just said originators.

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That was what you think about that record? Yeah,

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but no, but he's but he's talking about probably when they didn't

11:41

did it before. I just think, you know, it

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was it was a time frame. I think everybody

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was dabbling in it and everybody wanted

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to claim it. You know, so this

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book of World Records came and said this is that nigger.

11:52

Yeah, that's what happened. You know, how

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did that feel? Like? What kind of because you

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know, we like we're getting plaques and you

12:03

know what I mean, Like, but how did that feel? When again it's

12:05

the World Records called you, Like, who gives you that call?

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Your manager? I was I was on Loud

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Records at the time, you know, Loud Records

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the Roster and uh it was Fade, my

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man Fade. He was there

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at the time, and he told me, man, you know what's this record?

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Uh? And again this book for the for the world's

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fastest syllables and like,

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yeah, like five hundred some syllables in

12:28

sixty seconds different ships. So I don't

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know what that technically mean. I

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just know what some smart ship some

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fashion it was. But

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you know it was like a gift to me.

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I'm like, oh ship, you know, it was the perfect promotion

12:42

to for me. So I got in there, you know,

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try to see why I was that with it. You know, I said,

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Okay, I'm gonna stop at six hundred

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syllables in sixty seconds. So I

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was off about two syllables. But it was cool. Now

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did that Did that get every other rapper who thought

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that they were fast? Or for you? Or that made

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people want to challenge you more? Um,

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probably later on because the you

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know, nobody really broke the record for a long

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time. Like by the time somebody started

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messing with it, I was like out

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of that with it. So so for a long time people

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really respected and I think, you

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know, so the record, I

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forgot the shorty name and one of them shorties.

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Yeah, I don't know, man, I

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was I was on the making records and doing

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other things about then, so so and that's

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what I wanted. I actually wanted somebody to come

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like I stopped that six hundred

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syllables because I knew I could go further,

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but I stopped. Nobody never challenged

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the record, so you know, I just wrote

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it out and I got into making music. You know, now,

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how did so? I loved

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how you just said, um

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when I asked you, uh,

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the inventors of this style?

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You did say track you said, some people say the tracks

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you said, some people say boom. Yeah,

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what if you had to say? Because I want to talk

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about you know, y'all discrepancies. Is me being

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honest with it, Me being honest with

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it, Like I said, you got you

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got like like rapids developing at

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this time. You know, people people are getting

14:16

more advanced with it, like playing what they shoot a

14:18

little bit. And I just think I

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think it was growing everywhere

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early nights and I think

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everybody was kind of playing with the style

14:27

a little bit and coming up with a way to switch the

14:29

cadence up. And I just think you had people

14:31

doing it and and and they respected

14:33

areas, you know, whatever was that

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and you know, because we had Kanye on here,

14:38

and I think that's what he says said that was the only difference between

14:40

um jay Z and nas is that jay

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Z knows how to chop and no, not a chop.

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And I've really understand until I'm actually

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going and I was like, oh, that's what y'all really call it?

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So you did

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did, because yeah, you came out

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like yeah,

14:57

yeah.

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And if they would say tretch, then that means tretch

15:06

tretching them was late eighties, right,

15:09

it really were. Remember they had the group

15:11

before. I mean, if you're counting the group before Naughty,

15:14

there was a group before. Yeah, they talked about it with

15:16

us man for god,

15:19

what what what group you're talking about? They

15:21

had a group. They had a different name something. Somebody

15:23

pulled up a different name for the group before.

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It was not by nature. And then then

15:28

he said bones dogs. Yeah,

15:30

I wouldn't bone would come out if you came out ninety

15:32

one. Bone came out,

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but I don't want I

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think they came out ninety four, right, b Yeah, bone

15:41

was definitely ninety It had ninety

15:44

four. Okay, So and you

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was using that style on record in ninety

15:49

one. Yeah, I mean if you were talking about even

15:51

Fushnikins, that's way early

15:53

nineties as well. That's what

15:57

year was it? Wrong? But what

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you say, Yeah, ninety

16:02

two fushing against you. See, so

16:05

if we're going by just google right now,

16:08

you're coming out nine one

16:12

only one ninety two. I

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hadn't heard that style until you

16:17

came out. Well, you know, I think

16:19

I think, uh, I put a stamp on it.

16:21

You know, I think I put my foot in it.

16:23

You know, so you actually who invented

16:26

it or that, you know, you got different versions

16:28

of it. I just I might consider myself

16:30

the Michael Jordan's version of it. But you

16:33

know

16:38

that. But

16:41

but like you said, people could have been doing it in their

16:43

city wait before anybody

16:45

heard it. That's what kind of what you probably

16:47

was saying there

16:51

when nobody would have known. Right now,

16:54

Now, what's

16:57

the relationship with comment me

17:00

in Comment? Not cool? Like we don't talk a lot or

17:02

anything. But when we see each other, you

17:04

know, we always chop it up, you know, talk

17:07

about a few things. Yeah, we're cool. We we just got a

17:09

cool relationship. What's your relationship with

17:11

the young Drill music and

17:14

shot town Man? It's usually

17:16

cool all the time. You know, somebody

17:18

might call me ump, you know, I got war Hall

17:20

might call me what up? You know, so

17:23

so it's always uh, it's always

17:25

cool, man. You know. Sometimes they might ask me

17:27

certain things or for advice, but most of the time

17:29

they just look at me and call me O, G man, what

17:32

up O? G what up O? You don't want me to come

17:34

to the studio sometime? Check them out? Hop

17:36

on a record or two here and there. You know, Yeah,

17:38

stuff like that that makes some noise for that now

17:45

you was he was kicking it with our Kelly for uple

17:47

for a minute too. You were kicking

17:49

it. When you keep you

17:58

we can do it back on me easy. That literally

18:02

got he got some records. And

18:04

that's just you know, besides being funny.

18:07

Um, there wasn't nothing like that, but described

18:09

to the people who are was before we knew who

18:12

are is? Man?

18:15

That was the man he was. He was

18:17

the man like

18:19

like it was debatable who was who was the

18:21

greatest of all time? You might hear a lot of people

18:23

say a bunch of things, but when you start lining them

18:25

records up and what he put

18:27

out and how he was doing it, and

18:30

the live performances and the

18:32

songs that he wrote for other people,

18:34

stuff like that, like his body of work and

18:36

what he was doing and how much of

18:38

a perfectionist he was and man,

18:41

he was like one of the greatest man you know,

18:43

and if you got a chance to work with him,

18:45

you know, you you felt solidified. You know,

18:47

you felt like you was in the game and

18:49

you had to get you know, you got you a shot if you got

18:51

a chance to work with r. Kelly, you know, especially

18:54

for your city, because it was like to tell you

18:56

to too. But that was like the first artists like to

18:58

break out, like to be now act. Yeah,

19:01

he was, he was the man. He was the man in the city.

19:03

Man. We had a

19:05

huge yeah for sure. Yeah,

19:08

but we can't make a noise for that because she's gonna get real

19:10

with me too, I'm

19:13

gonna be talking about because the

19:15

career side, they

19:18

can't make no noise for that one right there. It's

19:21

just a god damn

19:23

you brought it up. Hey

19:26

man, listen, I listen, man, because

19:28

you're my friend. I still had to google and do my

19:30

due diligence that what's going on, you know

19:32

what I'm saying. So yeah,

19:35

all right, let's go. You

19:37

also had you gotta record with Chris Brown. Yeah,

19:40

yeah, make a movie, make

19:42

a movie. Uh just really wanted

19:44

them on the joint. Yeah, that was a joint. I wanted them

19:47

all like like me, my crew were just

19:49

mutually decided at the time. I forgot what record

19:51

we was listening to at the time, but we felt that

19:53

it was dope. If he's seen that particular record. You

19:55

know what I was. You know what I noticed about you.

19:58

You make a lot of records for the feet else. A

20:00

lot of people don't know that because you're so lyrical.

20:03

You gotta way with being super hip

20:05

hop. Like all the hip hop hip

20:07

hoppers love you because you're a hip hopper.

20:10

But you you get away with stilling some great

20:12

singles. That's for the ladies and nobody

20:15

cause you commercial. I think,

20:17

man, you gotta have that. You gotta

20:19

have it. You know some some of the big artists,

20:21

you know, they're able to do that and it's

20:23

nothing. They go to their they go to their rap ship,

20:25

they go to that type of vibe. So so I

20:28

just think you gotta have it. That's one thing

20:30

too. I think it helps that my cadence

20:33

is really like that whole double

20:35

time cadence is really an R

20:37

and B or slow song type of cadence.

20:40

So I think that kind of plays into it too,

20:43

that you know, if I'm rapping on a certain tempo.

20:45

They fit on the same melodies that people sing

20:48

songs on. So a lot of times that's

20:50

how a lot of those features came about to with

20:52

with me doing and then just the songs in general.

20:54

That was like that. It was easy to put like

20:56

R and B artists and singles on certain hooks, and

20:59

you know, it was the vibe. Did you did you ever

21:01

question changing your style

21:03

or did anybody ever tell you, oh, this is already

21:06

hell yeah old yeah

21:08

all the time? Yeah, shit like

21:10

rapping fast yeah, you know the first

21:13

ship I heard, you know, because we

21:15

were from Chicago, so ain't nobody accepted it?

21:17

You know what I'm saying. So the first thing I'm rapping, boom,

21:20

what's the first thing you think they said? When I'm wrapping, nobody

21:22

hearing this ship yet, and I just come out wrapping. I

21:25

didn't understand what you get the funk out of here with the fast

21:27

ship. Get

21:30

the funk out of here with the fast ship. We don't know what, you

21:32

know, So that I had to deal with a lot of that

21:34

then, you know, like just being from the city

21:36

and we're not really being accepted

21:39

as artists, you know, like people

21:41

look at us more as fans and

21:43

ship you know, they come there and rock out. Yeah, Chicago

21:45

fans, they didn't really look at us too much

21:48

as artists at the time. So I felt like, you

21:50

know, you just have to break into Kanye

21:52

West. We're talking about he's

21:54

probably going further back, going back

21:57

when remember me

21:59

and Comment is the first two artists that

22:01

that pretty much came out. Yeah.

22:05

Yeah, So so we were talking like no

22:07

Idea was in front line at that No, no, it was coming

22:12

yeah yeah. And he still

22:14

had twilight tone around two at the time, so yeah

22:17

yeah. And you saying, so I don't understand.

22:19

So you're saying that shot Town wasn't respected

22:21

at that time. It's

22:25

the same thing I've been telling you, man, the

22:28

same thing said, we

22:31

wasn't accepted for not not like other

22:33

genres of music, but rap shit, No,

22:36

Chicago wasn't being heard. Not at

22:38

the time. I was trying to come out like we

22:40

had. I was. I was the artist that had to

22:42

tell everybody Chicago was

22:45

dope and that its motherfucker's here

22:47

and wait till y'all come hearing. Like I was

22:49

the one that had to go out there and speak that

22:51

ship. You know what they especially me being from

22:53

like the West Side of Chicago and not really having

22:56

the same kind of hip hop vibe

22:59

or hip hop style that most rappers have.

23:01

So it was double double drama

23:04

on my end trying to bust in the door. So I was

23:06

one of the first artists had to let him know about the city

23:09

that Chicago was slept

23:11

on. Yeah, because he always says that about

23:13

Miami, like Miami was slept on every

23:15

city outside of New York and maybe l A and Atlanta.

23:18

At the point was man, Miami was

23:20

killing it a little bit that

23:24

but early on I'm talking about like in the hip hop

23:26

industry, like I always talking about it that New

23:28

York had a pigeonholed on at least the corporations

23:31

that record labels, the media, so they

23:33

weren't looking at everybody else. They just wasn't

23:35

allowing us in. Just hate

23:37

a dog, it's not hate it

23:43

the same thing he says, the same way we all fell down.

23:45

I think I think a lot of a lot of other cities

23:47

felt like that at the time. A lot of other places

23:49

felt like that at the time when early

23:52

on, because New York was the mecca

23:54

of it, was only going on there and everybody

23:56

else was trying to do what New Yorkers

23:58

are exactly. So we share

24:00

similar feelings in that as so you ever felt

24:02

like your city wasn't supporting you though it

24:04

was harder for you in your city, like it's it's it seems

24:07

like everyone who makes it somewhere they

24:09

try in their city, but then they actually go outside

24:11

the city. I think early on, you face a lot

24:13

of problems early on, Like even when I look at

24:15

some of the younger cats, they face it a

24:17

lot early on than that. At a certain

24:19

point they breakthrough and

24:22

then and then the city starts

24:24

to accept them as as you

24:26

know, uh, the ones like

24:28

O. G. S Or Man they put it on, you know, they

24:30

put the city on like that. But early on a lot

24:32

of times when you're coming coming from Chicago,

24:35

you gotta break through a lot of hate, you

24:37

know, and it might be close. It's

24:39

gonna be everywhere around you. So so you gotta

24:41

break through a lot of hate and know how to navigate

24:44

when you come out of my city. My

24:46

mom that passed away, j R.

24:50

Yeah, rest in peace to Timbuctwo.

24:54

Was he was he part of the team. No,

24:57

he wasn't like right in the team,

24:59

but he was definitely my man. Every time they don't

25:01

have his events in Chicago, I try to go represent,

25:04

you know, because they still do something every year for him,

25:06

and everybody comes out and yeah,

25:09

Timbucto is still alive. You know what I mean, Let's

25:11

make some noise for that goddamn it work. So

25:18

you're going, is

25:21

this it's because Kanye

25:23

produced both the records right for when

25:27

you say both the records, which you mean the two first

25:29

singles, um

25:32

as far as Slow Jams and Overnight Celebrity.

25:34

Yeah, you already knew

25:36

Kanye as a producer or no, Yeah,

25:39

yeah, we already knew Kanye because yeah,

25:42

in the shot in the city, you know, we we already

25:45

knew. I knew each other. You know. We one

25:47

of my guys from back in the day's

25:49

named tom Chi. He knew all of the rappers

25:51

and he was like, man, let me introduce you to my man Kanye.

25:54

And we used to see him up North rapping

25:56

all the time. I met him

25:58

as a rapper first, then later on me

26:01

and tempt You used to go to this house as

26:03

a producer. This is when he started to produce. I

26:05

was like, his beast is different. You know, I was noticing

26:08

his music is different, you know, but it was way

26:10

too early on, you know, before everything's

26:12

going to happen. You can see those two records your

26:14

biggest record, your biggest songs. So no, I

26:17

would say two of my most important

26:20

songs. Yeah yeah, I was saying,

26:22

yeah, yeah, most important. Yeah,

26:25

you know, I gotta ask why why?

26:27

I mean see

26:29

for me coming up doing what I was doing,

26:31

I felt like, you know, as always

26:33

gifts curse. The one of the gifts that I felt

26:36

like I got from putting

26:38

effort into my lyrics, my wordplay,

26:40

like trying to make sure that I was making

26:42

some ship that everybody was messing with. Is

26:45

other artists that would come up in the city will respect

26:48

it. And at a certain point they felt

26:50

like, Okay, if I'm coming out the city, it's

26:52

gonna be the ship. If I give my man twist on the record,

26:55

that's letting me know, like boom, I'm representing Chicago

26:57

when I do that. So that was one

26:59

thing that was dope for me at that time frame

27:02

where a lot of artists that was coming out of the city,

27:04

my man cap One was like, man, I won't get it in

27:06

with my man twisted you know, a bunch of people. Um.

27:10

So at this time when I was

27:12

doing the record with him, it was like he was

27:14

coming up in the game. I would see him sometimes, we're

27:16

running to him in the streets every once in a while, Like

27:18

I ran into him in the streets. When he let me know that he

27:20

produced the Bennie Seagull records,

27:22

the Truth, right, I think, yeah, he was like, yeah, I just did

27:25

something with Beanie. You know. So he

27:27

was like, I got this record you know called Slow

27:29

Jams. Don't want you to get on it. You know, when when

27:32

we was chopping it up about it, he was telling me the concept.

27:34

So I was remembering, like how I was

27:36

gonna put it together. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna incorporate

27:39

all of these different things.

27:42

We recorded Slow Jams first, Yeah, Slow

27:44

Jams first. Yeah. So and then I

27:46

don't think, I mean, I don't think Jamie

27:48

Fox was even thought about for the record yet because

27:51

but that's crazy, because let's just be clear,

27:56

we didn't take Jamie Fox serious at that time.

27:58

So whose idea was it? Let's be real man

28:01

as a singer. That

28:04

was the first record that we

28:06

looked we took him serious, because you know, we

28:08

were looking at him like Wanda remember the

28:10

character. You know what, I'm

28:14

the oldest right now. But

28:18

what I'm saying is this is before Ray,

28:20

right, this is before this. Yeah, definitely before

28:22

before Ray. So that

28:25

song single handed was like, wait a minute, he killed

28:27

that. He killed it, and

28:29

who that was? That was Kanye's idea like

28:31

that, that whole thing like slow

28:34

jams over trying to sabotage

28:36

me. At this time, I knew

28:38

I was. I knew I was being uh.

28:41

I knew I was Jamie Fox. Move with

28:43

him saying like, let's bring Jamie Fox in

28:45

at this time because we didn't, like I said, now, we didn't.

28:47

I didn't know what. It wasn't a conversation.

28:50

I heard it before. I just

28:52

heard the ship, you know what I mean. So I

28:54

had did my verse and everything. The song was what

28:56

it was, and he flew to l A, ran

28:59

into jam Me Fox and they went in the studio. Then

29:01

I got the phone call and then I heard the ship

29:04

and I was like, oh ship. That's when

29:06

I knew it was old. Yeah,

29:08

that's you can rightfully say like Jamie

29:11

Fox is a star. It was a star even

29:13

then. But his music

29:15

career wasn't a twister.

29:18

He might have not been outside. This makes some noise for that,

29:22

I mean, I mean it was

29:24

it was yeah, yeah man, but we was. I was definitely

29:27

you could have said I'm all right, Yeah,

29:31

you could have your record. You

29:33

could have said I'm I You

29:35

did not. Yeah, I did not. You did not?

29:38

You did? I heard it right?

29:41

So then so

29:44

yeah, we course you said you said you

29:47

have cause Celebrity next. Yeah, we recorded

29:49

over Night Celebty. So it's not it's not the same session,

29:52

not two different sessions. The record came

29:54

out, it's a hit. Then you're going

29:56

to celebrity. How does this happen? What are

29:58

you doing that? Well, when we do over nice Celebrity,

30:01

we already know we got one. This time

30:03

we're moving around, you know. We we got slow

30:05

jams out there, so we're moving around,

30:08

and uh, we had the uh,

30:10

we had the Overnight Celebrity idea. You

30:12

know. It was actually a sample I wanted to use.

30:15

So I told him, Man, that's the record. I want to use

30:17

this. This, this Linney Williams record right here. Man, this

30:19

this you know, because I used to remember, yeah, I used

30:22

to remember that record playing on produced

30:24

this If you want to say that now but

30:27

now, no, man,

30:29

but I knew. I knew that once

30:31

he got his hand on the record like that, with with what

30:33

he was doing with all of the soul music,

30:36

that he was gonna kill it. So I gave him a

30:38

record and he actually said it kicked

30:40

his ask for a man, And he was like, man, it took me a minute

30:42

to get this record the way I wanted to get it, but

30:44

I got it, and he was excited about it. Then

30:46

he sent it to me and now I'm listening

30:48

to it, and now I was messing my head up because I'm like, damn.

30:51

So now I felt the pressure because we got

30:53

the Slow Jams record out there, so I'm like, damn, what

30:55

the fun? But then bam, I

30:57

heard the hook on it, so he blessed

30:59

me of the hook. That's all it took.

31:02

Once I heard a little bit or something to go

31:04

off, that was it. Boom. I started coming with my case

31:06

you want this time? It's not job. This was um

31:11

Judy Green one, no, no, no, Greg calmen,

31:14

all of them. Okay you named

31:17

okay, okay, okay, I ain't cool cool cool

31:19

cool. I'm wanna pointing up

31:22

for me. Man, let's don't like it, so all

31:24

right, quick Time and Slim. But he's not drinking, but let's give

31:27

him. Let's get him his box. Where's that? Come

31:29

on? What's that? You

31:32

know what I'm saying? He want you to know, man,

31:34

we want to give you your flowers, man, while

31:36

you're here, while you're alive. This is why we do ship. Our

31:38

show was about bigging all legends up while

31:40

they're alive. So we literally wanted man, thank

31:42

you man, real flowers. Motherfucking twist

31:50

you see you see it. I

31:53

appreciate that. That's love. Let's love love,

31:55

all right. So we usually play this

31:57

game quick Time with Slime, and this game

32:00

you gotta take shots. So if you ain't taking shots, one of your

32:02

homies gotta take a shot for you.

32:06

Come on, come on, come on. That's DJ

32:09

type Mike right there, type ready, come

32:12

on, getting ready. You

32:15

already know? Okay,

32:19

here you go, okay one

32:23

sir? Alright?

32:27

Cool? Oh oh

32:30

yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, it's

32:32

right. You slipping. What happened

32:35

to do? Say right here? All right? What

32:37

you say? So, I'll give you two choices,

32:41

all right, you can say

32:43

both. Your man gotta drink

32:45

when we drink with him. Yeah, we drink

32:48

drink wom So you're gonna leave him out there? I

32:50

know what's happening. Yeah, if you say

32:52

know what's happeningly correctly,

32:55

this is what about. I'm gonna give you two tough choices.

32:57

When you say both, that's what makes us drink.

33:00

Both are neither or neither? Yes, they

33:03

used to be rough. I'm gonna drink some Japanique. You

33:05

should take a shot at two though, Twister. Come on, goddamn,

33:07

it might take a shot. Come on, you take a shot too, and only

33:09

your man out there like that? All right? Cool? Hey,

33:14

they got you the big cup to get

33:17

shot at

33:20

a little cup. That's not we'rena.

33:24

You got one of you. You got one already in front

33:26

of you. Twister, all

33:29

right, you're ready, Yeah,

33:32

I'm asking you ready.

33:37

It is rough or Tupac? Damn

33:40

man,

33:43

damn that damn

33:52

it's whatever criteria. It's

33:54

rough, it's rough. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna go

33:56

for Tupac. I'm gonna tell you why though, because

33:59

I actually got a has to meet this brother.

34:01

That's why you know. I met him on two occasions.

34:03

One occasion I did a show in l

34:05

A and uh it was with

34:08

Digital Underground

34:11

Digital Underground. I got a chance

34:13

to say what's up to shot G looked

34:15

over to the cut saw Tupacs. Yeah,

34:19

I saw him sitting on the steps chilling. I'm like, damn

34:21

okay, so I ain't say nothing to him. Then

34:24

then I seen him again by the bar. We walked

34:26

up to each other. He was like, man, they told me to come chop

34:28

it up with you when I come to Chicago, you know.

34:30

Then we halted again. The second

34:33

time I met him, he had the fucking Juice

34:35

hoodie on the same the

34:37

Juice City on. So you know, I got a chance to meet

34:39

him, and that made me engage with his music

34:41

in a certain way. But I definitely feel like t

34:44

Max is the ship, you know. But just

34:47

just for the sake of this, I'm gonna go with POCT because

34:49

I got a chance to meet him. Idn't really get a chance to chop

34:51

it up. I never got a chance. I

34:53

saw him in person when he was at an award show,

34:56

pass him by, But but I ain't never get a chance to

34:58

chop it up with him. That's crazy. I'm exact opposite.

35:00

I never got to meet pop I got

35:03

to chop it up at Wow, that's

35:06

that's crazy, eminem

35:16

or bust the bribes, whatever criteria

35:18

you want. You

35:22

drinking already, I had

35:25

to take a shot on Okay,

35:28

okay, alright, cool, take your shot. Yeah you

35:31

know, I ain't even know I was taking the shot. You

35:33

asked the question. If

35:36

you want to take a real shot, you get some Japanese whiskey

35:44

right now.

35:48

Okay, they got Japanese

35:50

whiskey. Definitely

35:54

drinking. Get ready, that's

35:56

what you should have hand. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Let's

35:58

go our face on ice cube. Oh

36:01

no, he

36:10

got them all night questions. Yeah,

36:18

we gotta drink. We gotta drink. You gotta drink.

36:20

Let's go, let's go between.

36:23

That's rough right there. Yeah,

36:25

that's rough one. Now this might get

36:28

rough. We're gonna it's gonna be a

36:30

while. So yeah,

36:32

buddy outcasts

36:36

or you g k damn.

36:43

I love your honesty. He's

36:46

very skilled. Ship.

36:49

You gotta drink,

36:53

you gotta drink. I

36:59

don't know what you're gonn now,

37:02

this one don't know because

37:07

you guys are kind of like in the middle. So

37:11

Wu tang or in w a damn

37:14

man, see

37:24

in Wa was

37:26

some of the most exciting hip

37:28

hop that I had ever heard coming out.

37:31

It was what the funk? It was like the shock.

37:33

It was the most dopest, most exciting ship

37:36

that I heard. Wu Tang

37:38

got me through some hard motherfucking times.

37:41

They did the same team. But now,

37:44

man, it's a certain feeling. Man, it's a certain

37:46

feeling. Wu Tang got me through. Sometimes

37:49

I can't pick though. You gotta take a drink. I'm

37:54

gonna tell you. I'mna tell you what's the difference.

37:57

No I did. I'm gonna tell you what the difference

37:59

is for me. Okay,

38:02

I gotta hear this. I didn't know what

38:04

camp it was like.

38:06

I was just like what actually thought it was

38:08

a jail. I was like, oh, ship, I've never

38:11

gonna get locked up there, like and

38:14

so I was Cuve was younger, Yeah, um,

38:18

but Wang I visually visualized

38:20

that ship a little bit more. But I wouldn't be able to pick need of

38:22

That's what I'm taking a shot. Now.

38:24

Let me tell you about being from Chicago

38:27

and see because it's different because Wuchang,

38:30

you can relate a certain way then, so

38:33

for me, it was it was us

38:35

being in the middle. It was the

38:37

opportunity to hear the

38:40

West coast rap about

38:43

the streets and me relate to what

38:45

they were talking about from the from the

38:47

West coast perspective, and I can relate, and

38:50

then me hear the streets from

38:52

the East Coast perspective and being

38:55

able to relate, so that that that's what I

38:58

think. That's dope about coming from Chicago, go

39:00

being a fan, is you got a chance

39:02

to like it wasn't so one

39:05

sided like in Chicago on the

39:07

same block you got arguments

39:10

all day about this person

39:12

across the street is a fan of this person on the

39:14

West coast, this person is a fan of person you

39:17

know, SUBMD to west, right, you know what I mean. I

39:19

mean I feel like I

39:21

feel like they should probably take the west part of

39:23

it out and just pulled it the mid like because

39:25

y'all right, definitely like in the middle,

39:27

like you're not West coast that yeah, that the

39:29

west part don't kind of make sense a little

39:32

bit East coast. Y'are your

39:34

own ship. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, you're your

39:36

own ship, your own um. All

39:38

right, But let's just let's list Jordan

39:41

or Lebron damn well,

39:43

it ain't real hard Jordan Man, Okay, Dan,

39:48

when you when you you know, I mean when you've seen

39:50

Jordan play. See a lot of these people

39:52

never even seen Jordan play. Yeah, so y'all

39:54

seen it? Repeat?

39:57

No, yeah,

40:00

see you would see people. I don't know, man,

40:03

I don't know. You got a bigger

40:05

person doing something that this smaller

40:07

person was doing that should looked incredible at

40:10

six six dude doing it. Ship, That

40:12

ship was incredible. Rick

40:16

Rosso Fat Joe. I like Lebron

40:18

too, thought, but rosso

40:21

Fat Joe. Damn man, you

40:23

snap you do

40:27

snap? I really can't pick between our

40:30

them. I love both of them.

40:33

Yeah, it's snapped hard. He

40:36

would have been drinking too on that. Okay,

40:41

that's a rough one. That Crazy

40:45

Bone or chip Food. Damn

40:56

Jiff gonna be mad at me. Man, we're gonna,

40:58

we're gonna, we're gonna all about it later. Man.

41:01

But Crazy Bone man, crazy

41:03

Boney, Oh yeah, Crazy

41:05

Bone ship,

41:13

I don't know. We're gonna go with this, Oh

41:18

Mob deep or m O P Mob

41:22

d Okay, Yeah,

41:24

I like emop too, But Cubs of White Sox,

41:27

White Sox Salty

41:32

from to Be Salty

41:34

podcast or Radio Shit

41:39

I mean podcast podcast

41:43

Chicago pizza or New York pizza Chicago.

41:48

I hate New York pizza every

41:52

time I try some New York pizza. Like what this one?

41:54

This is with a clean on food. Let

41:58

me throw on, let me throw it in this Techno and eminem

42:02

damn no,

42:05

you got a drink on that one? Yeah,

42:09

you gotta drink these is these is my brothers.

42:11

And then then it's it's actually

42:14

hard, you know, because they go hard. Man.

42:16

Yeah, push your teeth or

42:18

Jada Kiss. I

42:22

like, push your t but Jada kiss. Yeah.

42:25

So also XXL, all

42:30

right, we're

42:32

all done over here. Yeah,

42:39

excel yeah

42:43

XXL. I like them

42:45

both. But al Capone

42:47

or Lucky Luciano compone,

42:50

Yeah, that's Chicago poem

42:54

baby. Oh

42:58

but you use technine already, right, If

43:01

it's not Eminem, it's a different question. Tech

43:03

nine or trash tech

43:07

nine track

43:10

is cool, but Tech nine West

43:13

but obviously

43:16

produced it. Kanye

43:20

West. No,

43:22

I d it's my man, but Kanye West.

43:25

The locks are run DMC, run

43:28

DMC. I love the locks, but I

43:31

was raised on run DMC. You can't even put

43:33

down yeah, comment

43:36

or loope, damn,

43:38

don't don't

43:43

take a babysit. Who

43:52

I'm two cold brothers there? Yeah,

43:58

sure, I know what a brat that's

44:01

right, bull Chicago are

44:04

drinking that. Yeah

44:10

yeah them them them both illmatic

44:13

or reasonable doubt. Damn

44:18

no, I need to hear this one. I'm

44:26

going to tell you the truth, right. See,

44:28

when you put the whole story together, then

44:31

it's like okay, okay. But when you're talking about that

44:33

moment there, I gotta say,

44:35

ill, Maddie, m hmm. Yeah.

44:38

Just it's just I don't know,

44:40

it's it's I think when you when you when you right

44:43

in there, I think you're talking about the

44:48

person that's more into wrap versus

44:51

the person that has a foot in the streets a little

44:53

bit m hm. And I think if

44:55

you just all in your music, you're gonna

44:57

be more of the amatic fan. But if you end

44:59

them was it but you got a foot in the streets to you

45:02

for sure gonna be a reasonable doubt fan. So it's

45:04

not that I think this is so much better

45:06

than that. It's just at that time frame, I

45:08

didn't have a foot in the street. I was going hard

45:10

on rap ship. That's why I say about a reasonable

45:12

doubt too. I don't say I didn't have it from the street.

45:15

I just say I didn't have to couldn't related. He

45:17

was talking about money ship that I didn't have. Yeah,

45:20

see, I just like I

45:22

had to get back later. I was like, oh, that's what you're talking about,

45:24

Okay, I

45:27

mean ship they aumatic was about the streets too,

45:29

but it's the word play. Yeah.

45:35

But I got another one, common or common

45:37

sense. Damn

45:41

which version of him? I

45:45

would say common common

45:47

sense was my ship too, but definitely

45:49

common Chief Keith

45:51

for g Herbo. Damn.

45:56

Do I want to pick one? I

46:03

can't really pick between them

46:05

too. It's okay, so you gotta drink too, that be

46:10

with that cheers.

46:13

That's on you man. You

46:17

shouldn't pick, by the way, Yeah, them too.

46:19

It would be hard. You know. You know what you should have

46:21

said when I said that, you should have shot down m

46:24

that's crazy what you've been saying the whole that's

46:27

the correct that's drinking a lot

46:29

of the

46:34

chronic or all odds on me. Mm

46:38

hmm. That's

46:41

rough for real, right there, that's rough.

46:44

Wait, let me think, let me think.

47:00

You know what I'm I'm gonna

47:02

force myself to pick only

47:04

because of one reason. No,

47:07

you gotta drink now now.

47:10

Once I thought about the reason, I was like, okay,

47:13

I'm gonna drink too with that. Yeah,

47:16

both of those were like the both

47:18

impactful, very very impactful.

47:21

M you know what, though, you're

47:24

drunk for nothing. I'm gonna say that because

47:29

all eyes on me, you you know, it was more

47:31

about poc on All eyes on me. You have more

47:34

more things, you have some other things going on, but

47:36

it was more pop whereas chronic

47:40

from crew you know, and that and that

47:42

that that assembly Man was the ship, you

47:44

know. So I'm gonna give it to the assembly over

47:46

over something that was more geared to one

47:49

person. But damn well

47:52

call it or DJ drama mm

47:56

hmm, damn

47:59

dog man,

48:03

DJ callott Man, DJ

48:05

CA. That's the last one,

48:08

DJ cadott You ain't I want

48:10

to like we always, I'm not gonna even

48:12

say nothing. I'm gonna just throw it out there. You tell me

48:14

what you back. Loyalty

48:17

or respect? Loyalty

48:25

loyalty like to explain

48:27

why, Um,

48:31

I mean loyalty of a person is loyal

48:33

to you. They won't suck you over. A person that can

48:36

respect you still fuck you over if

48:38

you gotta, if you gotta way to funk you over, you know,

48:41

publicly, he can still respect

48:43

you. But if he thinks he got a way to fuck you over

48:46

and still looks like he respects you and not

48:48

be known as the snake that did it, he'll do

48:50

it, you know, he he can do it. So

48:53

respect still makes

48:55

me have fear that of a person. I

48:57

still got a little fear. You respect me,

49:00

but you don't funk with me, you know,

49:02

But loyalty that you can't. You can't

49:04

trade that for nothing. That's real, that's

49:06

real, real. I

49:08

always think the answer to the correct assert is both.

49:12

I mean, but if you gotta pick one, you know, yeah,

49:15

I know, but in this case, maybe want you to drink,

49:20

you might as well finish that up. And

49:28

um, you gotta

49:30

drunk with Trade songs? Yeah

49:33

yeah, that's everybody, everybody

49:37

that's gonna make it. Yeah. Yeah. How

49:40

was that the your pussy

49:42

game go up? That was more than the label

49:45

We was We was young. He was a young cat too.

49:48

He would help your pussy game go off. No, not

49:50

with that record, right there? Man, that was a young cat man.

49:52

You know what I'm saying. So, so

49:55

have you met the Brown Trade

49:57

song System? Like? Yeah, the trade school.

49:59

I running to him every once in a while. Goddamnit,

50:03

man is real out here. Let's which,

50:05

which are the labels that you were on? Do you like?

50:08

Do you think we're the best? Ones that you were were the

50:10

best one that you're on? Because you weren't quite a bit of labels

50:12

the best at point, it

50:15

didn't get a chance to happen. You know, this is when I

50:17

was on Atlantic. You know she had

50:19

to change. Yeah, because we were

50:21

gonna make it happen. Man. You know, I had a lot

50:24

of love with the guys, you know, you only it

50:26

was adulpe relationship. You

50:29

know, Me and Dame used to chop it up a lot. He

50:31

was the reason I got on the Champions record,

50:33

you know. Yeah,

50:36

yeah, So we was trying to make it happen, but you

50:38

know I was, I guess too deeply embedded

50:40

in my contract situation with Atlantic to

50:43

move the business around and make it happen. So, you

50:46

know, so if it was that because you're on Big

50:48

Beat, which is you were on

50:50

Big Beat right that record label? Big

50:52

Beat? No? No, what

50:55

was it with? What was the tie with I think

50:57

it was tight to Atlantic? Yeah,

50:59

so Atlantic allowed so between

51:01

Atlantic and a Loud Which one of those two would you? Because

51:04

he was at Loud when Wutan came there too as

51:06

well. I was like first,

51:08

I think I was the first artist sign allowed first.

51:11

First. Alcoholics

51:13

was very first, No, me first,

51:15

you first? Yeah, yeah, didn't

51:18

alcoholis Yeah, that's just a lot. That's

51:20

hard. Yeah, that's very

51:22

first artiste. Steve

51:25

different to this day, Um when I

51:27

see him, Yeah, yeah, that was hard

51:29

when Stephen's cool. Stephen's

51:32

cool. I always had a cool vibe with

51:34

Steven phone numbers

51:36

nowadays. No, no,

51:38

I ain't got his numbers. He

51:41

about to get. Steve would talk to me man if I reached

51:43

out to him. Yeah, that's

51:45

my man. Yeah, this is what we didn't ask.

51:48

No, but I didn't get the answers between the two labels.

51:50

Which one are you? You're not sign

51:52

the Atlantics? So are you? No? No, I

51:55

think you know, I was on Atlantic the longest you

51:57

know, you know, I think, uh, the

52:00

the it was one that was first, you know, so

52:02

loud Wreck has been at first label I was

52:04

on. It's got that that first vibe,

52:06

you know. But Atlantic I was on

52:09

like like Templars years maybe something like

52:11

that. Yeah, So that's the question.

52:13

We didn't ask major

52:15

or independent, And definitely why

52:18

independent the freedom?

52:20

And I think to each his own too.

52:22

I think if you, I think,

52:24

if you have a system

52:27

that works, so you got your business people and play

52:29

and you you know, you you you kind of got people

52:31

around that can you know, uh

52:34

make your shifts sail, you know, then you kind of can

52:36

look more towards that independent round. But I

52:38

think if you, like a new artist, you

52:40

don't really got anybody around, you

52:42

know, to kind of give you, uh tips or

52:45

or show you the ropes, then you might

52:47

have to lean more towards major

52:49

label and and your your attorneys

52:51

and stuff like that, because you believe you're gonna need people

52:54

to help you take advantage of being

52:56

on the record label too, because regulabel you

52:58

can fall through the cracks. Yeah, so that so why

53:00

I said attorney. You know, you know, if you ain't

53:02

got those people, then you know, all you can do is rely

53:04

on people like your attorney. And right, let's

53:06

keep it. Really, you made it a lot more money with majors.

53:10

Yeah, you make a lot more money with the major.

53:12

So so that's

53:14

the gift and the curse to it. You you

53:17

wanna, you want your freedom you

53:19

can move how the funk you want to move what You're gonna

53:21

make the money like this a little bit at a time.

53:23

You want to make the big money here, You're gonna make

53:25

this big money. But you're gonna take a little bit of whip

53:27

cracking over here. Sometimes I

53:30

don't know whip cracking this whatever

53:35

will actually hit you with it. But you know what I mean,

53:40

you know that the mentality, you know

53:42

some of that mentality. Sometimes you gotta you gotta

53:44

listen to what what what somebody else say saying

53:47

and uh bye by the choices of

53:49

other people more, you know, that's

53:51

all ship. I

53:56

forget all your independent

53:58

I think owning your own ship it having

54:02

that well you don't want no more shots. Yeah,

54:06

I think, I personally think. I

54:09

think being independent before you go major,

54:11

it's always gonna be the ideal situation because then you go

54:13

into a major kind of prepared,

54:16

self relying, and then you can take advantage of that machine

54:18

because the machine, for sure, you're gonna make way more money in

54:20

the machine. But independent, you

54:22

you know, if you if you could established establish

54:25

yourself independently own more

54:27

of your stuff going into that, it's gonna be a

54:29

better deal. More leveraged getting that deal

54:31

with a major. Yeah, I

54:34

don't know. I think these days, though, independent is

54:36

is the way to go for sure. He's

54:39

he's with an independent. Yeah. So

54:41

I'm um, we're

54:43

running through a couple of titles

54:45

and I don't want you to just tell me what they mean to you. Man,

54:48

I say, got

54:50

you running Off

54:52

at the mouth? Running

54:54

Off at the Mouth. That's the title of my first album,

54:57

running Off at the Mouth. Yeah, it's

55:00

the first thing to come to my mind. It's the title of my

55:02

first album. Man,

55:04

I was like eighteen, nineteen years old. Yeah,

55:08

that's what I'm doing. Call down your album,

55:10

so I want you to do for me? Yeah?

55:12

That's that was That was That was. That was how I came

55:14

out. That was how I titled my first album.

55:17

I was still thinking. I was in the process

55:19

of finding myself as an artist at the time,

55:22

you know. So this is me getting my feet wet, you

55:24

know, in the game running Off at the Mouth. That's what it

55:27

is. Resurrection independent.

55:31

This this is more independent situation

55:34

upset that that that that this and that didn't

55:36

go right with the label. I wanted to put this record out

55:38

first. I wanted to be like this so we're doing

55:40

our independent thing, and I wanted to go that round.

55:42

So it was way early in the game when

55:45

I tried the independent round, and Resurrection

55:47

is like a body of work that I'm more uh

55:51

more proud of for the freedom, the freedom

55:53

aspect, I got a chance to make the type of music I wanted

55:55

to make

56:01

some noise for that the bounced,

56:09

I was gonna keep going in order?

56:11

Should I keep going in order? Yes? In

56:13

the head, you do you do a couple? I

56:16

did the first two? You do the next

56:18

three? Adrenaline Rush,

56:21

I asked my one right there, that's the one

56:23

where I felt like Adrenaline

56:26

Rush is the one where I knew who

56:28

and what Twister is. How I wanted

56:30

to come out what I wanted

56:32

to people to hear from me, you

56:34

know, So Adrenaline Rush is the

56:36

title comes from I thought about when

56:39

they say I forgot it, when they say what you

56:42

want to title your album?

56:44

Yeah, when it's like what you want to tie to your album? I think the

56:46

first I asked myself a question like, man,

56:48

what do rap feel like to me? You know, That's that's

56:50

the first thing I asked me. I said, Okay, what is rap to me? Or

56:52

what do it make me feel? Like? Give

56:54

me adrenaline rush. So that's where the title

56:56

came from. It was like just the way I

56:58

feel about rap music and I just felt like I

57:01

knew how I wanted to wrap my

57:04

audience. At the time, I was like, this is when I

57:06

made my mind up, Like I've just been

57:08

a rap for my Chicago people. Just what

57:10

I see just in my city. I'm gonna stick

57:12

to what I know and what I do, and I'm rapping for my city.

57:14

So a drilling and rush represents

57:17

so the me coming

57:20

fully into knowing who I was as an artist.

57:23

Yeah, the next one is Kma Kazi

57:27

riding a wave. That's me riding

57:29

a wave coming out with the next album. Still

57:32

wanted to come with an impactful title

57:34

or something that was hard. So I came with Kama

57:36

Kazi, and then I

57:39

had a little more help, you know, I was able

57:41

to to to make the type

57:43

of music I wanted to make. You know, the

57:45

budget was a little bigger. I

57:51

love the budget, you know, a

57:53

chance to do you know this

57:56

right? Yeah,

57:59

So that that's what that was. Man, Kama Kazi

58:01

is me riding the wave. I had the

58:03

success of you

58:05

know, my my adrenaline rush wreck in a certain way.

58:07

And then I had it was slow jams. I

58:09

knew when Kamakazi was coming out, I already

58:12

had slow jams on this record. So it's like I

58:14

knew my ship was gonna be popping. So I was like

58:17

having fun with the Kama Kazi joint. So that's

58:19

that's what come to my mind, is riding away, I

58:23

don't have it, okay, the day

58:26

after, day

58:28

after m hmm, still

58:32

riding the way. But that mother fucker wasn't so high

58:39

now, you know what I mean. So so the budget

58:41

a little less, Yeah,

58:44

so putting it, putting together, putting together what I

58:46

could put together with what I had, you

58:48

know. So but but now it was it was

58:50

still dope. I was I think I

58:52

was getting a little a little lost in that

58:55

time, you know, I was starting to get

58:57

a little lost in what direction I wanted to

58:59

go in at that time frame. So so

59:01

I put that record out, But it wasn't a

59:04

record that I was the most

59:06

proud of or or happy with,

59:08

you know, energy wise, just everything

59:11

wasn't going away. I wanted it to

59:13

go, you know, energy bis wise, everything,

59:15

So that record just just was

59:17

what it was at the time. Yeah,

59:22

now I'm looking I'm looking at the at the dates,

59:24

and then you have Adrenaline Rush two thousand and seven.

59:27

Is this a time frame where you're feeling right

59:30

like, what is there a shift in what you're doing

59:32

and how you so? So

59:34

Yeah, so the later one is just a

59:37

title that I was putting on some music at

59:39

the time that I felt like had that same vibe

59:41

still, and so we're like, man, let's come with

59:43

Adreneral Rush two thousand and seven. I probably

59:45

would have titled It's something Else at the time,

59:48

So I think creatively, I was just in

59:50

a shitty space and that's what I

59:52

titled the project at the time. You

59:54

know, so this this is uh me still

59:56

able to wrap my ass off, but shitty space

59:59

titles and ship thinking, you know, not

1:00:01

thinking as fully clear as I as I

1:00:03

should have been. Probably category

1:00:08

F five. Category

1:00:11

f five. That's when I'm riding my independent

1:00:13

wave again. You know. I love

1:00:15

that record because I have some

1:00:18

some for me. I

1:00:20

had some some some some big

1:00:22

records for me for myself.

1:00:24

I want. I made some music that I

1:00:26

wanted to make that sounded good to me. So

1:00:29

the record didn't didn't do what

1:00:31

I wanted it to do commercially or

1:00:34

you know, successfu wise, But as far as the body

1:00:36

of work and what it sounded like

1:00:38

and it being important for

1:00:40

for what it was, for

1:00:43

how music shall sound and

1:00:45

hip hops your sound for Twister, That's

1:00:47

what I was on. So so I like category

1:00:49

at five, were you already entering the

1:00:51

whole security and firearm industry

1:00:54

at that at that point that would

1:00:56

have been. Yeah, around this time, I'm

1:00:59

interested in it. Around this time, I'm I'm

1:01:01

you know, still having my concealed carry and

1:01:03

stuff like that. But now I'm starting

1:01:05

to entertain possibly being an

1:01:07

instructor and stuff like that. You know, around

1:01:10

didn't didn't didn't take it fully serious. Yea, yeah,

1:01:13

okay, let' let's go through the albums. I know

1:01:15

we need to bring gun capt down here. Man,

1:01:18

I'm telling you all

1:01:20

right. In the Perfect Storm, the

1:01:23

Perfect Storm,

1:01:26

that was dope too. That was that was me doing

1:01:28

my independent thing. At this

1:01:30

time, it's is not not

1:01:32

as fulfilling to me, but I'm still loving

1:01:35

music doing my thing. I

1:01:37

came with the Perfect Storm. But but like I said,

1:01:39

just not fully what

1:01:42

I wanted to be, you know, vibe

1:01:44

wise, energy wise. So at this time, I'm

1:01:46

just making music. I think I'm trying

1:01:48

to find which direction I'm going in

1:01:51

next around this time, you know

1:01:53

what you say, huh,

1:01:58

Well, yeah, I had that record on that, but I here wasn't

1:02:00

as excited about the

1:02:02

whole project overall. I knew that

1:02:04

I wasn't in a good space creatively

1:02:07

and just musically like I wanted to be. So I

1:02:09

was just making music, getting through

1:02:11

it, trying to see where I'm where I'm going next,

1:02:14

what I'm gonna do next. You're one of them guys, I gotta

1:02:16

get away to make a whole album, or like you'd

1:02:18

like to stay home a

1:02:21

little bit of both. For some

1:02:24

reason, though, I found that

1:02:26

I gotta be. I gotta

1:02:28

be in the I gotta be grame.

1:02:30

I like to be in a grimy situation to make

1:02:32

it real. Like I could go

1:02:34

like, you know, we could go to l A and shift.

1:02:36

I could be you know, in the hills, you know, writing

1:02:38

on ship. That's dope. But I would

1:02:41

rather I need to I need to be

1:02:43

in some grimy ship like I feel like I would

1:02:45

make the real music in a in a PC project

1:02:47

hallway when

1:02:49

you start, I gotta be. I gotta have some element

1:02:53

of where I came from from

1:02:56

you. Yeah, we me

1:02:58

and him probably would have been making out of some music.

1:03:04

Yeah yeah, that's

1:03:06

that's my jam to man, that's the whole

1:03:08

project right there is Uh,

1:03:10

I'm vibing with music a little bit more.

1:03:13

But all of these projects you naming

1:03:15

our projects where I

1:03:18

was able to do what I do effortlessly

1:03:20

as far as making a song or do a

1:03:22

verse or like damn you killing it or do what you do, but

1:03:25

just not fully being

1:03:27

fulfilled with music at the time. I'm not

1:03:30

in the space that I want to be, you

1:03:32

know, mentally, So I'm just kind of making

1:03:34

music and making records that I considered

1:03:37

as dope, but still

1:03:39

searching for what I wanted to do

1:03:41

and be on still so

1:03:43

I'm just floating through it. But but the records

1:03:45

that was on that was was my ship?

1:03:48

What what records was on there? I

1:03:50

got two many ship you got you

1:03:52

got a crazy catalog? Man? Yeah,

1:03:55

yeah, the catalog crazy.

1:03:57

But overall, when you say that title,

1:03:59

that that's what I remember about that run

1:04:02

right there is me having the capabilities of making

1:04:04

music and doing some music that was satisfactory

1:04:07

to my fans and everything, but not commercially

1:04:09

successful as I wanted it to be, and just

1:04:12

me not really being in a in a vibe of space

1:04:14

that I wanted to be with music at the time, you

1:04:16

know. And then

1:04:18

the last two. Yeah, you got Crook County.

1:04:24

That was my joint right there, Creek County

1:04:26

because we started making videos in the hood. This

1:04:28

one, this one, we you know, I got a

1:04:30

few of my people around, you know, I'm

1:04:32

starting to get it, you know, a few a few of my camp

1:04:34

around, uh a few of my gun camp

1:04:36

people coming around. Just a few different faces

1:04:39

around. So I'm making music, We're going

1:04:41

around doing stuff in the hood. My man beads

1:04:43

around that I'm doing music with, and

1:04:45

uh, man, it was just huh yeah,

1:04:48

yeah, a lot of the homies from Chicago I got there. I think.

1:04:51

Then we shoot Creek County like at Harvey, different

1:04:53

spots like that. Yeah. So so Crik County

1:04:56

was a record that it was dope to me

1:04:58

because I was in the streets with it. You know, we

1:05:00

was moving around in the streets having

1:05:02

everybody being involved in the music and everything.

1:05:04

So so that was a dope problem.

1:05:07

There was a dope project from me at the time. The

1:05:09

last one, it's Summer ninety six. That's

1:05:13

a very poignant title, Summer

1:05:17

ninety six. What's

1:05:19

on there? Oh

1:05:23

yeah, yeah, yeah, especially

1:05:25

working with DJ Ferris, you know, because he wanted the

1:05:27

big figures in Chicago. That's my man right there.

1:05:30

So anytime you got him, you know, anytime

1:05:32

you got him on something, uh, you

1:05:34

know, it's dope. So just having him

1:05:36

be involved with that project and just

1:05:39

keeping my whole legacy going

1:05:41

was dope, you know. So that's what Summer ninety six

1:05:43

was about. Was reminded people about

1:05:46

when a drumaline rush came out, which was the

1:05:48

Summer ninety six. I

1:05:51

think it's trying to make them much of that cool.

1:06:08

Did you do it? You ain't never do it? Versus? Right? No,

1:06:11

no, no, that

1:06:14

would be a crazy versus. I don't know who

1:06:16

I would do it with though people always ask me, But

1:06:18

I don't really know who I would do it with. Who you think technic

1:06:23

I would be a good one who said that? I

1:06:28

think see when people say Buster, they

1:06:30

just think fast rap. But I think we kind of besides

1:06:34

the fast rap, we slightly too different

1:06:37

artists, you know what. So I don't know you

1:06:40

who would you want? I

1:06:42

don't know that's that's that's that's

1:06:44

a tough one. Who

1:06:48

like two different But

1:06:50

I don't think it. I don't

1:06:52

think it has to be an even match up

1:06:54

in terms of what we think it should

1:06:56

be off. It should showcase

1:06:59

two different styles. Else mystical,

1:07:02

wo, mystical,

1:07:05

that would be a dope. Let's keep thinking,

1:07:08

y'all, come on, comen

1:07:11

keeping one

1:07:19

crazy part of a group though you know not

1:07:21

but crazy was also solo. Did

1:07:24

you see that? Did you see that versus we're

1:07:27

doing three six? Ye? Yeah,

1:07:30

I saw it? How

1:07:32

did you all fix your problem?

1:07:34

Who? Uh? We'll

1:07:37

see me and Bone we had a mutual

1:07:40

mutual friends see lazy

1:07:42

Uh Yeah, it was lazy Bone. Lazy

1:07:44

moves around a lot of you know, he got a lot of

1:07:47

mutual friends that I got and uh

1:07:50

in Indiana at the time, we had our

1:07:52

buddy name Cho. You know, he was doing a song

1:07:54

with him at the time with his with his group and

1:07:56

what he was doing, and then he knew me

1:07:59

and he was like, wait in it, y'all got

1:08:01

beef or something like that. So when he ya was

1:08:03

beating for years, right and this is on wax

1:08:05

with this records and all that, you know, the style

1:08:07

and you know, so so what he

1:08:09

did at the time was he orchestrated the song

1:08:12

and he paid Lazy to get on the

1:08:14

song and paid me to get on the song without

1:08:17

telling yall we're gonna be on it. You

1:08:19

didn't care. He told us, you know, he said, I

1:08:21

want y'all to do a song to get who I want to name. Y'all

1:08:23

can't be beefing who. And so once me and

1:08:25

Lazy got together, yeah, yeah,

1:08:27

so shout out to my man Choo for making that happen.

1:08:29

And man, once being Lazy clicked, it

1:08:32

was over. He was so cool, you know. We chopped

1:08:34

it up, we did that song, and then I knew them was gonna

1:08:36

be my guys ever since then. Then the next time

1:08:38

I like called a good vibe with them

1:08:40

was when uh we did spit

1:08:43

your Game, Uh

1:08:45

yeah, the Biggie joint. Yeah. And then I got

1:08:48

a chance to chop it up with Crazy Bone or let him

1:08:50

know how it felt about the group, you know, and we

1:08:52

just got rapped,

1:08:54

like you know, uh, well, we'll

1:08:56

go through like like two or three years beefing

1:08:58

with some sit we don't even really know. We

1:09:00

don't know if we make a distract as we're doing

1:09:02

all that, like like, like, how weird is

1:09:05

that? Like you know what I mean? That is weird. I'm

1:09:07

gonna tell you what's weird

1:09:09

is having the beef with with

1:09:11

with Trash going on at the time, and

1:09:13

this ship was so serious. We

1:09:15

had a meeting in Chicago about this ship, you

1:09:17

know, because you know a lot of people don't know, like

1:09:19

that was one of the times where this

1:09:22

was one of the reasons this This

1:09:24

is how one of the ways

1:09:26

Twister got formed is when when

1:09:29

I didn't get accepted from

1:09:31

people that I was fans of. So

1:09:34

so the Trench said a little something on the record,

1:09:36

you know, because yeah, I didn't understand where

1:09:38

you where Bone

1:09:41

I understood because of the style similarity.

1:09:44

So I didn't understand anything

1:09:46

when I heard about it then and when I when

1:09:48

I re iterated and just look

1:09:51

today it's we

1:09:58

had a show Chicago. At

1:10:01

this time they had formed the House of

1:10:03

Pain. I saw

1:10:05

ever Last because I knew him from he used

1:10:07

to come in the office at our records. So

1:10:10

we're talking. He like, man, let me let me how at you

1:10:12

So it's old now we can laugh about it. Ever

1:10:15

Last said, you didn't hear it from me? Trashed

1:10:18

dished you on his new ship. What.

1:10:25

So I go listen to the ship. I'm

1:10:27

listen, I'm eight and I ain't hearing nothing. Then finally

1:10:29

the record come on. I put

1:10:31

a few blows in cargo, so you can

1:10:34

tell twist your ass back to Chicago.

1:10:39

What record was that? I

1:10:41

forgot which one, but you can find it. You

1:10:44

can find it. So I was

1:10:46

a fan though at the time. So this ship

1:10:48

broke, I'm like, damn, you know what I mean.

1:10:50

So I'm piste off about it. So I

1:10:53

stopped around

1:10:56

that time, around the time. Yeah

1:10:58

that they lit, they

1:11:01

lived. But

1:11:05

see then I heard stories later like people

1:11:07

used to see my video come on and then funk

1:11:10

with him, like, oh ship, dude, the funk you? So

1:11:13

he got piste off and he dissed me. So

1:11:15

then we end up having a meeting in Chicago because

1:11:17

it was like the ship seemed like it was gonna escalate

1:11:20

into some other ship. But then the funniest

1:11:22

ship happened. We

1:11:24

get to to New York and we do

1:11:26

the big gass cover for for Double x L

1:11:29

with all the rappers and ship. We're standing

1:11:31

there, Yeah, we're standing on the street. Who

1:11:33

the funk walk up and ship trash.

1:11:37

We're like, oh ship and he said, yeah,

1:11:39

see, I told you y'all in my hood. Now it's

1:11:41

cool and kept the movie was like, so,

1:11:45

you know, that's when you learn some ship you gotta

1:11:47

you gotta learn. This is me navigating

1:11:49

through the industry. This is one of the things

1:11:51

that helped me learn how to move, you know. So

1:11:54

at that time we had got a little cordial

1:11:57

before that incident. But had

1:11:59

it been some some some ship

1:12:01

going on, that could have been me right

1:12:03

there. You know what I'm saying on that other end

1:12:05

right there, that's crazy

1:12:07

that didn't that's yeah, yeah

1:12:10

and yeah worked it out. Yeah

1:12:12

yeah. Trenches An artists always wanted to do music

1:12:14

with Yeah,

1:12:18

yeah, what's you say? Oh?

1:12:21

All right, col I keep for getting you from Jersey's

1:12:25

you gotta let it go? What about

1:12:27

Man and Man?

1:12:31

Yeah, I'm a red Man fan. So what's your favorite

1:12:33

what's your favorite part of the

1:12:35

game. Is it making the music or performing

1:12:38

the music? Because

1:12:40

going through your catalog, I'm like, this motherfucker

1:12:43

performed every day of the year. Just going through

1:12:45

your catalog, I'm like, yo, yo, you could you could

1:12:47

do any you know, I'm

1:12:49

not trying to persrace your answer, so hold on, should Maybe

1:12:51

I shouldn't have said that, but um, what's

1:12:54

your what's your favorite? Is it making the music or performing

1:12:56

the music? I think

1:12:58

performing it? What's your guess? Was y'all guess?

1:13:01

Yeah? Performing it? I like making

1:13:03

it, though, but I will say performing it is more my

1:13:05

favorite. Performing it. Yeah,

1:13:08

yeah, you gotta explain why And

1:13:10

wait, wait, have you ever spent something in

1:13:12

the studio so fucking fast that you couldn't perform

1:13:14

it? No? I

1:13:17

make sure not to do that, like,

1:13:20

yeah, you know, when you I try to

1:13:22

stay truthful with the ship, like I tried

1:13:24

to stay within the

1:13:27

boundaries of what's possible because exactly

1:13:31

like like everybody got their own reasons why

1:13:33

they rapped like that. But but for me, it's

1:13:36

not just about wrapping fast. It's about

1:13:38

how quickly can you do it at

1:13:41

a dope cadence where you can hear everything.

1:13:43

So so when I'm making

1:13:45

the music like that, like I try

1:13:48

to stay within my boundaries of what I know that's humanly

1:13:50

possible. Like I think you need to take a breath

1:13:52

right here, so I'm gonna make sure you

1:13:54

know, just just stuff like that. So

1:13:57

I sorry, I could him out so performing and performing,

1:13:59

Yeah, so performing I like it

1:14:01

better because even when I'm making

1:14:03

music, making music comes

1:14:05

from performing in my head, you

1:14:08

know, when you when you're writing these lyrics. Most

1:14:10

of the time, like a lot of artists unconsciously

1:14:13

even realized that they placed

1:14:15

themselves in the middle of a rap battle

1:14:17

or concert or something when they're coming up with

1:14:19

the rhymes and they look at the audience

1:14:22

react to the lyric in their mind, and then

1:14:24

they say, yes, I don't go with it, you

1:14:26

know. So a lot of my creativity

1:14:29

comes from performing in my mind. So at the end

1:14:31

of the day, to actually get to do it in

1:14:34

person, that's what a full thrill make.

1:14:37

Some looks for that, I

1:14:42

believe you show you don't want to shout

1:14:44

at this Japanese whiskey. This is that good ship

1:14:47

man, it's doing me ain't good enough right here. And

1:14:50

let's just be clear, the reason why you don't

1:14:52

drink like that is because you're a

1:14:54

gun instructor. You

1:14:57

know that. The dude that being a call like this car

1:15:00

Yeah no, not not how you do this?

1:15:03

You know what you want? The guy, that dude, he's like, he's huge,

1:15:06

don't he gonna get somebody killed. He was like

1:15:08

this, if a person comes up to

1:15:10

you,

1:15:12

you know what I'm talking about. He's a gun instructor

1:15:14

that he's telling you about. He's something to martial artists.

1:15:17

Kid, gotta be up. You don't know what I'm talking about. You know

1:15:19

exactly what you're talking about. You know, one of my buddies

1:15:21

in Chicago is killing it doing

1:15:24

doing like parodies of that dude right now. Okay,

1:15:27

because he's hen get somebody hurt. You're

1:15:29

not listening to him right different

1:15:35

when you bet not listen to him, explain,

1:15:37

So explain what what he just said? You said,

1:15:39

your fire arms instructor. Yeah,

1:15:41

just uh, like the

1:15:44

firearms instructor. Like so if you

1:15:46

want to get your cacealed carry or something like that, or

1:15:48

just do advanced firearm training technical

1:15:50

shooting, you teach that. Yeah, mostly mostly

1:15:54

how to shoot in general, some defensive

1:15:56

show. What if you had a fella me, could I still go? Oh

1:15:58

man? He's like,

1:16:01

baby, I shouldn't have said. You know, we we we probably

1:16:04

get you in a situation where we get some people to see

1:16:06

if you can get it expunge, and

1:16:08

then after that situation then you can't.

1:16:10

So we have had people that have had

1:16:12

felonies before they got their record of sponging

1:16:14

and was able to get the Yeah

1:16:17

tell them look out for me. So

1:16:19

yeah, because they got the hook up on that. But

1:16:23

it's spongement. Holy

1:16:25

movie with

1:16:27

you. But so, well, what made

1:16:30

you get into that? You just you love firearms?

1:16:33

Just seeing you like, I have a whole rhyme

1:16:35

about the gun. Yeah, just that's

1:16:37

doing like a rap review like you have, uh you've

1:16:39

got guys that do gun reviews and then you know,

1:16:42

giving the description of the gun. So my version

1:16:44

is like a rap review of a gun

1:16:46

that I might like or something like that. But you

1:16:48

know, just really just passionate about the whole

1:16:51

fire stuff. So U s c C

1:16:53

A instructor, n A instructor?

1:16:56

How people are visualizing the cargoys

1:16:59

being bad outside of like downtown and

1:17:01

things like that. What all the things going on

1:17:03

is it? Is it is it that

1:17:05

easy to just get guns? And I'm talking about

1:17:07

obviously, Yeah, I mean that's

1:17:10

the problem. The problem is is illegal

1:17:13

guns. That's the problem right there

1:17:15

is is guns getting in the hands of

1:17:17

uh people that shouldn't have them. You know,

1:17:20

that's the problem. And I think you know, education

1:17:22

is part of the key, even though that's happening. I think

1:17:25

when you re educate the mind about a firearm,

1:17:27

because we used to just growing up here and rappers talk about

1:17:29

yeah yeah, you never really heard a

1:17:32

person rap about a gun and a flyway

1:17:34

or something, you know, something different. Yeah,

1:17:38

yeah, having respect for the weapon. I mean, you

1:17:40

know, like I said, I do competition shooting

1:17:42

and stuff like that. So I try to change

1:17:44

the whole narrative and perspective about guns

1:17:46

because I think education and perception

1:17:49

is one of the keys to help stir what's

1:17:51

going on the other way, you know what I mean. So

1:17:54

what are your favorite guns? Pick

1:17:57

two? An assault right for the hangar? It's

1:18:01

all rightful, what's that you can't

1:18:03

talk about it? I'm cool now. I saw you posted

1:18:06

this. I want to I wanted you to tell me how I

1:18:08

could get it. The one that collapsed a

1:18:10

R A R. Yeah, it collapsed

1:18:12

into like almost it looked like, Yeah, it's called folding

1:18:15

AYR. Yeah, companies called folding they

1:18:17

are, And yeah, that's that's that's a dope one right

1:18:19

there. But it's an

1:18:21

a AR that folds, it falls into like it

1:18:23

almost looks like a handgun at one point. But you know, AYR

1:18:25

doesn't mean it's alt rifle. It's the first two letters

1:18:27

in the company arem al oh, so it's

1:18:29

not an a R fifteen automatically, I

1:18:32

mean I'm a like model fifteen was

1:18:35

just the first two letters in the company that Republican

1:18:37

though, right, I'm not a poltical.

1:18:40

If he was, I'm

1:18:46

neutru Yeah, I'm neutrul with

1:18:48

you. Holy

1:18:51

sh it, what do you do? Joe

1:18:53

Byra, Joe by Byron,

1:18:59

So what's that Japanese?

1:19:04

Listen? Joe Biden's

1:19:07

disappointed men that think

1:19:09

it ain't been outside live? What's

1:19:11

going on? What

1:19:15

a big up Trump at all? But at least

1:19:17

you felt Trump like you you felt his presence.

1:19:20

No one isn't outside. One was outside too much.

1:19:25

I don't even know I got a president like I

1:19:27

don't feel like as an American, like come

1:19:29

on, bro, like, come on, bro, come on, come

1:19:32

on to come out here outside right now? That

1:19:34

rushed right now. I'm definitely

1:19:36

not rocking with what's going on right now. You

1:19:38

know, it's a lot of things, you know, going on and

1:19:40

all that I ain't really rocking with with no

1:19:42

situation, just trying to take my guns away. Neither

1:19:46

but you know, you know, I'll

1:19:48

stand up for the Second Amendment. So but you

1:19:50

know, so you know, you know you're not taking Joe by the

1:19:53

dinner. No, he can't go to dinner. I'm

1:19:55

straight Holy

1:19:59

this is but you see the handgun?

1:20:01

What handgun would you pay? Oh

1:20:06

yeah, someone's picking the handgun for it's

1:20:11

it's a it's a bunch of choices. But right

1:20:13

now I'm gonna say staccato, man, I like the

1:20:15

coccato exc or staccato. Mm

1:20:20

okay, what what browns does that shoot?

1:20:22

What kind of rounds? Not Miller met rounds.

1:20:25

Yeah, yeah, that's that's

1:20:27

a good one. Ceazy Shadow too, I like them

1:20:30

too. Yeah, Holy

1:20:32

mobile. Now you got the joint hope with Faith

1:20:34

Evans. Say it again, the

1:20:37

joint hope with faiv Evan. Yeah, yeah,

1:20:39

very dope. But

1:20:43

she's drink Champs a little night. He

1:20:45

loves man. I just put that together that

1:20:47

record. Uh, Atlantic had a lot to do with that

1:20:50

record, and uh she was on Atlantic as

1:20:52

well. Yeah, she was on Atlantic as well, and

1:20:54

that record. Uh it was used

1:20:57

for I forget the name of the show,

1:21:00

but it was a family that one

1:21:02

of the home and the show

1:21:05

was involved in helping uh families

1:21:07

get homes and the little girl in the show

1:21:10

like hope. It was one of her favorite songs.

1:21:13

So we got a chance to kind of take that song a

1:21:15

little further, which is really one of the reasons I made

1:21:17

the song, Like, I'm like, man, I want to try to do something dope

1:21:19

with this song. Now, let it just be something normal,

1:21:22

you know. So when she got on it and then we got

1:21:24

a chance to get involved with that whole thing, that was dope,

1:21:26

you know. Yeah, that was vib with

1:21:28

that. And you also did a game show. Damn

1:21:32

did what game

1:21:34

show it was? It was? It was eximt

1:21:36

one true.

1:21:42

So I don't even

1:21:44

remember that ship. You get a

1:21:46

lot of money, man, you get don't now?

1:21:51

I remember? Yeah, I

1:21:54

remember I was in and out like a thief in the night

1:21:56

because you talk with that type ship, like, because

1:21:58

they also did the Netflix show t

1:22:01

I A the Juge. Yeah,

1:22:04

you with that type of ship doing reality or

1:22:07

its gotta be something I'm interested in. Can't

1:22:09

just be like just off the fly. You know. If

1:22:12

it's something that I like or I'm interested in, I'm

1:22:14

with it. But you know about

1:22:16

Podcaster, Yeah,

1:22:19

if it's something I like, yeah, Yeah, as long as

1:22:21

the subject matter podcasting

1:22:23

about firears, about firears, it's gonna

1:22:25

be lit. Yeah. So yeah,

1:22:28

I'm actually working on something. But

1:22:33

you're just gonna shoot it up now. I ain't

1:22:35

just gonna shoot it up. I mean that would be hard to

1:22:37

record that. I

1:22:40

mean, you know, we do have a

1:22:43

you know, outdoor range, outdoor range,

1:22:45

damn, you know. And it's black people shooting.

1:22:48

Yeah, yeah, accurate, black

1:22:51

people shooting accurately and safely. That's

1:22:53

safely. Yes, on the phone.

1:22:56

Yeah, is it a pharm or it's like a Yeah,

1:22:58

it's a phone. And it's Illinois. It's

1:23:00

not your cargo. Yeah, this is Illinois. Okay,

1:23:03

cools, you

1:23:05

gotta come out and shoot with me one day, can't you can't.

1:23:09

Can we bring it down here? Can we go down here? Yeah?

1:23:11

We can do it down here too. Yeah. Yeah,

1:23:14

we'll sponsor, We'll do something. Yeah. Yeah, not

1:23:17

bb guns. This

1:23:20

is I got a few. You guys know,

1:23:22

you gotta I got I

1:23:25

got something for you. I got something for you. Now

1:23:27

we bring have more things. Man,

1:23:30

twist the man. I ain't gonna lie. I feel like taking another

1:23:32

shot before we let you go. You gotta got more?

1:23:35

Are we good? Come on, come on, anybody else, Come

1:23:37

on, come on, bro who because

1:23:41

you want to take a shot. It's Japanese whiskey and get

1:23:43

your life right, you

1:23:46

know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1:23:52

I will say this is what what

1:23:54

advice would you give artists? To have the long

1:23:56

jell that you had that's very true, and to stay

1:23:59

to stay consistent with the style

1:24:01

you want. You know, you you stay true to your style.

1:24:04

That's the one main thing is really nothing

1:24:07

is more important than being really yourself,

1:24:10

because you will get caught up in somebody else hype

1:24:12

fast and you will start curving

1:24:14

your ship to sound like they ship and looking like you

1:24:16

know, you know what I'm talking about, right, you know. So

1:24:19

the main thing is to stick

1:24:21

with your ship, you know. And then you gotta know

1:24:24

it's a youth driven sport too, you know. So when

1:24:26

you listen to music, a lot of times

1:24:28

I'll see when artists start to say certain

1:24:31

ship is whack or they don't like certain ship. That's

1:24:33

when you're starting to lose touch

1:24:35

a little bit, you know what. You as

1:24:37

soon as you say that ship whack wrong

1:24:40

like that, that's when your ass getting old. When

1:24:42

they come to you know that my state of

1:24:45

music. So I think the other ship is whack

1:24:47

though, I

1:24:50

mean, you can't say everything is though. I'm not

1:24:52

saying everything is dope, but definitely not saying.

1:24:54

When you're saying something is whacked that's

1:24:57

winning, then you gotta ask, you

1:25:00

know, it's a reason it's winning. But

1:25:03

it's certain citing. That's a fat a fade

1:25:05

that you could tell they got they got a great

1:25:08

six months and then it's gonna go away.

1:25:10

Then there's certain CITs like I don't understand it. I

1:25:14

might not like it, but I'm gonna respect it. But

1:25:17

then there's there's this gimmicks going on. Not

1:25:19

to say it wasn't gimmicks going on in the nineties. See,

1:25:22

I was the way I was raised

1:25:24

on from him, let's

1:25:27

breaking the ship is whack, man, because

1:25:31

you know New York motherfucker's

1:25:33

is gonna you know, it's whack. The ship

1:25:35

is whacking. And I came up off. Yeah,

1:25:41

so that's my vibe right there. So some ship is

1:25:43

just whack. But for the most

1:25:46

part, there's a reason

1:25:48

why something is winning. If something

1:25:50

is whacked a lot of times, even like I've heard

1:25:52

whack ship, but then it'll be winning. So

1:25:55

I'll pay more attention to it and

1:25:57

then I'll have a production could be dope

1:26:00

the program.

1:26:04

You know what it is. We don't want to be that old

1:26:06

nigga that turned into the hater m So

1:26:08

when we know that, so we we

1:26:11

don't want to be like look at that, you know back in my

1:26:13

day. Like, we don't want to keep me like that. So

1:26:15

you say, all right, cool, and you like start participating

1:26:18

certain and ship and certain Ship is like not right,

1:26:21

Yeah, it's not right. It's not right. But you

1:26:24

gotta figure out like what I've always taken

1:26:26

out of boys, that's different,

1:26:28

bro, No, that's not too

1:26:30

far difference. I

1:26:32

went too far. You went too far. You went too far. He

1:26:37

man, hey man, they're getting money. Man, they're

1:26:39

getting money. We don't know what they hopefully

1:26:43

hopefully hopefully going

1:26:45

too far. Yeah, now

1:26:49

what would you saying? What was what was you saying? He wanted

1:26:51

to hear spend something? I

1:26:55

have been sipping that ship? That's

1:26:58

that? Is it? That? You know what? Won't come

1:27:00

out? This is a spade.

1:27:02

This is the finest from the albums out Mountains

1:27:05

of Everywhere.

1:27:08

It won't come out come

1:27:10

and see me giving about it. You gotta be gotta be up in the rhythm

1:27:12

with about it, the level bit of me a bit about it. What was

1:27:14

the matter with that man? Almost what

1:27:22

y'all tell you about to grab that put it on the verse with him.

1:27:24

He's gonna spend on that holy

1:27:29

ship. That was all. That's

1:27:31

all. So do

1:27:33

you still love the game the same way? Um?

1:27:39

I love it differently. I wouldn't say

1:27:41

the same way. Not the same way. Um

1:27:45

it's different. I would say I still love making

1:27:48

music. I still love creating music. But

1:27:51

what makes me love it differently is

1:27:54

other things going on that I realized

1:27:56

that I can take my music and

1:27:59

bridge it with with what I do, even

1:28:01

with the with the with me being a firearms instructor,

1:28:04

and just knowing that I could take my music and literally

1:28:07

rap about the stuff I'm doing like I'm telling you, um

1:28:10

me doing a sixty second gun review,

1:28:12

stuff like that, just being able to play with it. So the

1:28:14

one thing with with music is I think

1:28:17

you have to find ways to keep

1:28:19

making keep making it passionate

1:28:21

to you. So you got yeah to to

1:28:24

anybody you know, you gotta Sometimes when when

1:28:26

you start to lose your passion for music, try

1:28:29

to find something else that's going on. And yeah,

1:28:33

yeah, keep yourself relevant to yourself, but also

1:28:36

find what what else that you may be passionate

1:28:39

about and try to see if you can use some of

1:28:41

that and put it over here with what you know

1:28:43

how to do. When when in terms of music, if you

1:28:45

still want to do it, you know you

1:28:49

fell out of love of music before. Yeah

1:28:52

all the time? Is

1:28:55

it the music or because

1:28:58

the game is different? Thing? The

1:29:00

game? The game? Because the game the fans

1:29:02

is always great. Yeah, so it's it's

1:29:05

always great. But everything

1:29:08

it was fuck up about it, even having to learn

1:29:10

the music business, like you would

1:29:12

think, like everything is supposed to be fair. We

1:29:15

all, you know what I'm saying, love the same

1:29:17

culture. You gotta realize, dam I can't

1:29:19

even trust this guy. I gotta actually, I

1:29:21

actually gotta read and I just gotta know this and

1:29:24

I gotta you know, go through that. Yeah

1:29:26

what was was that something you have to go through? Yeah?

1:29:29

Hell yeah all the time. Like I had years

1:29:32

of my life or years of my rap

1:29:34

career shaved off from

1:29:37

going through label drama stuff like that. So

1:29:39

yeah, I was like, to me, I was one

1:29:41

of the artists that got the worst of that type

1:29:43

of ship. You know. So the worst

1:29:46

of of of label drama or

1:29:48

not being able to put out music or dealing with drama

1:29:50

with labels. Yeah, he wasn't throwing

1:29:53

chairs were here unless she was stors.

1:29:55

I wasn't throwing chairs. I might have threw a few words,

1:29:58

but shit,

1:30:04

did I cuss crag out before? I might have cus

1:30:06

create the funk out one time. He probably

1:30:08

used to it, but he used to this ship. Yeah,

1:30:12

you took your Japanese whiskey. It's

1:30:18

what's saying. This is the dark side. You

1:30:21

stayed, you stayed in, you stayed in the champagne

1:30:23

section. We respect that there's no sex

1:30:25

in the champagne room. Man.

1:30:29

Yeah, and

1:30:32

he pouring heavy still he

1:30:34

ain't learned, man. So you fucking strip clubs

1:30:38

when we when we gotta go there,

1:30:41

you know? So that's not what what? What what

1:30:43

do you do? Shoot?

1:30:46

You go out there? You just shooting shot

1:30:49

people? What the shooting? Come

1:30:51

on? That's

1:30:54

that's that's that's your your version of fun on

1:30:56

the night where you could just go out kill. You're

1:30:59

going out and you want to go to shoot. We're

1:31:01

probably going on the farm and shooting some a RS

1:31:03

and a K. I released a lot of stress doing

1:31:05

that. You're hunt into just

1:31:08

not yet, but I'm about to start getting

1:31:11

into some hunting. Yeah yeah,

1:31:13

are you going all in what we're hunting?

1:31:15

Sir? Man? If I go out

1:31:18

there and chill with y'all, want to clear me with

1:31:20

the army some boards or something, you know, like

1:31:22

my whole thing. If my hunt, it's gotta be something

1:31:25

that that's gonna be for a reason,

1:31:28

a good reason. So like that we could eat

1:31:31

he came through he never comes through down.

1:31:43

Yeah huh.

1:31:47

Yeah, that's the hardest record. That's

1:31:49

you're broke right there. So

1:31:52

yeah, yeah, pop that. Yeah.

1:31:59

Yeah, so that's

1:32:02

what that's what we're doing for fun, be going out

1:32:05

Yeah, man, you know, I'm I'm

1:32:08

you know in my thing. I'm training a lot

1:32:10

too because you know, I'm under the competitive shooting,

1:32:12

so I'm always training and shot. So

1:32:15

let's just be clear because I asked anybody this, So,

1:32:20

how much pussy do you think you got to your your

1:32:25

We're like, yeah, I mean you're

1:32:27

not married no more. I googled it, right, Yeah, I

1:32:29

mean, I mean, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm. I

1:32:32

still got a family and everything, so you know,

1:32:34

I probably had my fun in my lifetime

1:32:37

and you have a big you

1:32:39

know, I know how I didn't have a big Your

1:32:41

playlist was crazy today when I was going through

1:32:43

it, I'm like, I was just calculated.

1:32:46

I was like, you know how this is comedy because the money. I was just calculating

1:32:48

the pussy there. I think you figure about you know

1:32:50

what I'm saying, like we have fun,

1:32:53

We have fun fun. It

1:32:57

was a little celebrities. No,

1:33:00

you knocked down a couple of roose No

1:33:02

Celem. There's no celem for whatever love

1:33:05

it makes space to know the motherfucker twist coming

1:33:11

back. My back got crazy and a little worry about

1:33:13

it. You're

1:33:16

married to tell

1:33:20

You're like, yeah, we've been outside. Uh

1:33:23

see yo,

1:33:27

so how how crazy? How crazy is it? Oh?

1:33:31

No, no, no, we off that like just just

1:33:33

being you know what I mean, like because you know,

1:33:36

like like we said, like you know, from seeing Shytown,

1:33:38

you know, coming from the error where you and Carmen

1:33:41

and then seeing like all this drill things

1:33:43

happen and people are and then you know with the Kanye

1:33:46

and even everyone like the people having

1:33:48

the light on y'all city, Like you know what I'm

1:33:50

saying, like, how ya like you know,

1:33:53

like you've seen the whole process, right you pretty

1:33:56

much? Man? Uhuh, get

1:33:58

a lot, man, it's been interest. He

1:34:02

told a lie. You know, I'm saying he took.

1:34:06

He's a good guy and I forgot to say that, Brad. Right

1:34:08

then I didn't say that, Brad. Yeah. Yeah, we talked

1:34:11

about the Yeah, that's my girl problems.

1:34:14

That's the homie. You know what I'm saying. No, the brand and shower

1:34:16

of my sisters. Are

1:34:20

you Are you drunk? Yeah? Sho you want

1:34:23

another? You want another? Shout of japan taking? Yeah,

1:34:25

that's it ended out. Some shut it out.

1:34:28

He's going into it out. Man, you

1:34:32

end it out to drink?

1:34:34

Say to drink that? Do say too that we want it's

1:34:36

closer to you. Come on, what

1:34:38

do you want that the Japanese? Come

1:34:41

get that Japanese. Yeah, let

1:34:45

me get the champagne. Okay, yeah, let's got you the champagne.

1:34:47

Baby damn. Yeah, Papa

1:34:50

new one too, if you want. I

1:34:55

know what's going on over and now we're started

1:35:03

once again once again.

1:35:06

Like I said, man, you know, we just want to give people

1:35:08

their fliers while they're alive, you know

1:35:10

what I mean? And people, you know, every

1:35:12

time you're in this game, people get ten years or more.

1:35:14

They want to tell you you washed up. They want to say we don't

1:35:16

want that here. We're gonna pick up

1:35:19

our legends. We're gonna always salute our legends. Thank

1:35:21

you, give you to your face and you know what I mean. We ain't

1:35:23

afraid to say. You know, all niggas is great. We're

1:35:25

gonna hold it down. You know what I mean. Thank you for being

1:35:27

a part of that. Think you'll for coming out. Appreciate me,

1:35:30

y'all got y'all got mean? Did

1:35:37

we just take some flip? You

1:35:40

get loose now? I don't know if I don't know, if you wrap

1:35:42

it up, feel like you still it, feel like you

1:35:44

ain't done. No, I'm good. Thanks

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