This is third and final part of an edited interview with Dr Jen Clarke of Robert Gordon University, Aberdeen, Scotland. The original interview was an hour via video call and I have split it up into bite-sized chunks of 15-20mins. This episode talks about the future for art and for us all, the problematic reduction of the idea of democracy in art to 'access', the politics of understanding art more ecologically and hopefully it ends on a high note for all of us.