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same stuff. Why wouldn't they be? coming.

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Yeah, thanks for clearing your schedule and hopping in with us.

1:58

Of course, of course. I appreciate it. it

2:02

for anybody unfamiliar with yet Tony

2:17

just comes in frame like

2:20

we got a full stack crew

2:22

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2:24

and in between all

2:26

that briars like anyway

2:28

so any and

2:33

a giant blue like a

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marcarina comes like straight out of

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in the tone for the evening got Briar oh

2:44

I was like heckin jealous all

2:46

of a sudden there's a tiki

2:48

this is the tiki episode hey

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it was time to celebrate you know all

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3:06

ill physics man thanks for

3:08

being on like for people unfamiliar with you

3:10

like what do you do like kind of

3:12

like like why

3:15

people know you like um

3:17

what's your thing yeah my name is ill

3:19

physics aka Tony and you know I am

3:21

a content creator

3:36

for destiny to prior primarily we dabble

3:38

a little bit in some variety similar

3:42

to friend with probably friend you know dabbles a little bit

3:44

more than I do I stick

3:46

mostly to d2 pvp

3:49

of course A

3:51

large part of my content a large

3:54

part of my community is focused around

3:56

improving in Pvp, Helping people improve in

3:58

Pvp. You

4:00

know, giving guidance, encouragement You know

4:02

a main piece of my content

4:04

is our community scrim that.been running

4:07

for several years now called labs

4:09

and.is just another avenue that I

4:11

have available to you know provide

4:13

that that mentorship that one on

4:16

one hands on you know for

4:18

on for whatever mentorship to have

4:20

you know anybody with in my

4:22

community that is looking to improve

4:25

on in a space that is

4:27

yeah as low toxicity as possible.

4:30

A moderate, it pretty heavily armed

4:32

and is encouraging and sportsmanship is

4:34

is a large part of it

4:36

as well. But Saab or yeah,

4:38

I'm. You. Know other people was

4:40

I supposed know me from be? My footprint

4:42

on Twitter is. well I try to be

4:45

in an active and responsible community member. There

4:47

is always growth to be had in that

4:49

area. So am. I. Tiger.

4:52

I've been wrestling just let it out later.

4:54

Labs things are for to add them are

4:56

your sales Really cool experience to to see

4:58

how that operates in and out how everybody

5:01

else that's really cool set up in. This.

5:03

Allows around as he sees a thing and

5:06

ends with the structure recently. but last of

5:08

us they you had two teams that way

5:10

as six people so much that three he

5:12

was you know all the perspectives and then

5:14

gave feedback at the end of the mascara

5:17

watching what through the list with everybody called

5:19

it's into the good things They did point

5:21

out some things that could have improved on

5:23

and then shuffle things up having go again.

5:25

So it's a really cool you know way

5:28

for people to get some of their hands

5:30

on one on one tailor made feedback for

5:32

their gameplay, about the deadline. So valuable. You

5:34

know exactly how many people just put in

5:36

like on the hours begging the head against

5:38

the wall like be up Here is my

5:40

hand air act. Totally.

5:42

Some ideas are just put in a put in the

5:44

reps but I don't know how to practice. You know?

5:47

I mean like I don't know how to. I don't

5:49

know actually how to get better. I'm just. You

5:52

know, A lot of times

5:54

we will say you know if you practice

5:56

perfect to get perfect but if if you

5:58

practice poorly you're just stay put. right?

6:00

And in and I feel like that's what

6:02

I do when I play as like I

6:05

just. I continue to make the same mistakes

6:07

over and over again. So to have somebody

6:09

who have knowledge and skills that can actually

6:11

tell me what I'm doing wrong and how

6:13

to improve their be really valuable? You know?

6:15

Yeah, I'm better at a large part of

6:17

it. So so. Our Tv

6:19

was talked about. what I had see beyond.

6:21

you know he blessed us with some time

6:23

a while back and that was the precursor

6:26

to labs was community customs what we call

6:28

that when Tv came on and he's exactly

6:30

right. You know we ended up having folks.

6:33

Play in a match you know, folks

6:35

around the same level arm folks that

6:37

were looking for that improvement or and

6:40

they ended up com and on our

6:42

in three be three, the format and

6:44

then we would spectator each person in

6:46

the discord as they streamed on the

6:48

gameplay. And then just like Tv said,

6:50

you know I would go first with Tv

6:52

the go first arm and we eat. We

6:54

point out things you know that maybe they

6:57

could have done little it better in the

6:59

circumstance but also equally important and if not

7:01

more important to a degree, point out things

7:03

that they should doubled down on and that

7:05

they did well and that they should be

7:07

encouraged for as well. Because we all know

7:09

you know that P B P a lot

7:11

of times can be kind of a demoralizing

7:13

experience, especially for awful to that. Or maybe

7:15

just come in and or maybe less experience

7:18

and to speak to. What a rabbit was

7:20

saying by rabbit was saying yeah Ah A

7:22

large part of if me and I see

7:24

it all the time is I want people

7:26

to get better at the game and and

7:28

realize their Pdp goes fast and an idea

7:30

because you know you know it's not as

7:32

if I was. Banging. My head

7:34

per se it a wall like because you

7:37

know like I come from in environments like

7:39

of of improvement light that play basketball like

7:41

you know all through high school and stuff

7:44

like that and you know I know how

7:46

that goes But I will say that I

7:48

didn't watch any videos I've played the game.

7:51

I play the game you know and so

7:53

all of that experience that I've gained over

7:55

the years that are playing the game arm

7:58

and just kind of looking to myself. Or

8:00

you know that, guidance and maybe some close

8:02

friends? But. But.

8:05

To experiential, you know, learning I

8:07

can just give that. You.

8:09

Know and Yang give a very tailored viewpoint

8:11

to folks. I'm you know based on the

8:13

gameplay them seem from them and people say

8:15

that it's a it's a great help to

8:17

get them get them good. They're much more

8:19

much more quickly so that they're not adding

8:21

in their head every time they jump into

8:23

the crystal that are like a difference between

8:26

gone to the driving range, spy yourself for

8:28

two hours, you don't thing about golf. your

8:30

friday going to get any better. The major

8:32

discoveries, the three, the club as he spent

8:34

twenty minutes a third two hours with a

8:36

seasoned golfer. Then we'll give you more value

8:38

or god forbid. Get a lesson. That's

8:41

right, so much more value our that

8:43

because you're going to know exactly where

8:45

to focus your efforts exactly exactly and

8:47

you know just the a very brief

8:49

example fifteen seconds is somebody will literally

8:51

be in your engagement and I'll just

8:53

assume back in Tv with their mood

8:55

on this it will design back to

8:57

that particular engagement and will say this

8:59

right Here is what you should have

9:01

been looking for. This is what you

9:03

did great that you were looking for

9:05

and you are responsive to arm and

9:07

this is exactly what you can do

9:09

better to angle yourself. Into a better

9:11

position to to to give yourself the

9:13

best outcome or the best chance about

9:15

com in that engagements. So yeah it's

9:17

a. It's it's it's cool. I enjoy it

9:19

and it's been a blessing and rewarding to do. A

9:22

lot less fat, Girl had very

9:24

good a real fast on that topic.

9:26

How do you think like ours was,

9:28

it takes someone to come to see

9:30

some improvement and give a fair buddy

9:33

fight. Related to that like log in

9:35

in per week hours to gotta just

9:37

stay relatively fresh, how you view and

9:39

a. Bike. Point of. Reference.

9:41

Here is like then I love games like

9:43

Apex Tone or we've played Printer and I'll

9:45

yourself but like. I.

9:48

He takes me a long time top in

9:50

and get my improvement and sent enjoy a

9:52

good improve it back to save mess at

9:54

his work. And. If you know law

9:56

gets obvious, here's what you guys perspective is already

9:58

sort of reach a point where. You

10:01

played enough that you don't have to stay sharp. Blade

10:03

Two questions Their. Senior. Prom and

10:05

how often they can to keep it.

10:08

Will you know Apex and Destiny Two definitely

10:10

very different. different in that regard. You know

10:12

I don't play Apex. I used to play

10:15

a Tax I played it took a break

10:17

from Destiny two plate for like four months

10:19

straight and and saw a great deal of

10:21

improvements are playing that but Apex is definitely

10:24

the type of game at least for me

10:26

on Mm Kay. I can't speak to you

10:28

know like other input methods controller for that

10:30

but I can only speak to my experience

10:32

with Mk is I had to stay on

10:35

top the i Don't Play It Anymore simply

10:37

because I can't just. It has really

10:39

play Apex Legends Destiny two on easier,

10:41

much easier to get back into for

10:43

sure. If I'm not playing it, it's

10:45

it's It's more like riding a bike

10:47

for sure. And and if I'm not

10:50

playing anything, say for example, for a

10:52

month or not Apex not not any

10:54

other shooter in particular. ensure it takes

10:56

some some warm up period. But nothing

10:58

you know, I can actually come back

11:00

and enjoy myself like day one, day

11:02

to or what not as opposed to

11:04

Apex Very difficult to do that for

11:06

me personally. And

11:08

with regards to your improvements question I

11:10

assume that you're talking about within the

11:12

context our I see we talk about

11:14

within the context of of of maybe

11:17

if you're doing lad sir or something

11:19

like focused improvement type stuff ah how

11:21

yeah how quickly words if you play

11:23

T V P n you feel you're

11:25

okay but you're not good because like

11:27

good as considered as I said like

11:29

to kind of. Everybody. I

11:31

would say having done it myself and

11:33

watch people. You. Can get better. But.

11:35

Like to sort of silly that for like a

11:37

mere okay. but are you making mistakes? You're not

11:40

focused. Is. Out how long as they

11:42

normally take you think when you watch people. That

11:44

will wouldn't. Oh yeah, I

11:46

mean as if if if if they're

11:49

giving given the framework. On.

11:51

my because there is a framework for

11:54

which you know you can learn to

11:56

play with intention and you can be

11:58

mindful come off as that autopilot

12:00

basically and start giving your

12:02

space to make better decisions

12:04

and engagements as you see

12:06

them come up, processing information

12:09

faster. Everybody can do

12:11

that. Everybody can do that. Not everybody

12:13

has the same ceiling or the same growth trajectory

12:16

and that sort of thing, but that's

12:18

completely irrelevant, completely irrelevant. Everybody

12:20

can make some degree of improvement in their gameplay in that

12:22

regard. Now, if they have that framework,

12:24

if they're working, if

12:26

someone has or they've learned that

12:29

framework, then after that, it

12:31

really is just about getting in reps,

12:34

right? And continuing to, I mean, outside of

12:36

the obvious of continuing to stay on top

12:38

of your build crafting, because that's a large

12:40

part of things now, even in PvP. But

12:44

if we're just talking about the actual gameplay

12:46

experience, it's really just getting

12:48

in reps and ensuring that you're continuing

12:51

to be mindful of that framework of

12:53

intention, that framework of improvement that

12:56

continues to guide you

12:58

approaching your PvP goals. So

13:00

for example, in labs, some

13:02

folks come through for labs, I

13:05

would say a month, month

13:08

and a half, and they're there almost

13:10

every stream, almost every stream that

13:12

I'm doing labs. And I do labs with

13:14

my community two, three times a week.

13:17

So they're there maybe once, twice a week, and they

13:19

get in maybe two,

13:22

three series, which is six games. Month

13:25

and a half, in particular,

13:28

they will come back and say

13:30

something that they've seen some significant

13:32

gains. Because even if they're

13:34

not playing labs, like I said, it's about the

13:36

framework. It's

13:38

about understanding how you can improve even on

13:41

your own. And if you're not playing

13:43

labs, but you're still taking that framework

13:45

with you when you go to the wider

13:47

pub crucible, right? You're still improving and

13:49

you're still utilizing those lessons. And

13:52

you're still figuring, you're still, you know, when

13:54

you become mindful of like, when

13:57

you know that framework and you're becoming more mindful

13:59

of how You approach and engagements. Then

14:01

you start seeing stuff on your own.

14:05

You as much about what you could have

14:07

done better in that engagement. you're already looking

14:10

back. thinking. Back and looking back.

14:12

At your gameplay to recognize what you could have

14:14

done better in that situation. To give you better

14:16

give yourself a better chance. So yeah I would.

14:18

The really it's It's a very quick quick turnaround.

14:20

Yeah, Yeah I only brought up because like

14:22

I think there's a lot give you hop in

14:24

a B V P they can to get crushed

14:27

and you feel like a potato and I've been

14:29

there I've got like slightly better more you know

14:31

beyond the and just casual but it really just

14:33

take the focus and grabs me. I think people

14:35

get discouraged they trying out new mouse course one

14:37

hundred percent aka in and you're like bad A

14:39

for me but. It. Does take some

14:41

of this so yeah I think it was good but out

14:43

there that oh. Yeah. Just just put it

14:45

out there part as he went when flawless that

14:47

you know shortly after how much you've allowed in

14:49

a ball hindu and now they're. Not

14:53

gonna go Paul bit it. You don't say like

14:55

anybody can do it you know a bad and

14:57

you got hired now up and I are They

14:59

have no idea of his big Eleven Bbb with

15:01

as funny. For.

15:06

Yeah yeah. I

15:09

wanna do it was that I feel

15:11

like it's so necessary to have a

15:13

place like Glad Now like it so

15:15

needed because there is nothing else out

15:17

there like that like serve you tube

15:19

and tv. You could talk about this

15:21

I'm sure but like you tube like

15:23

P V P improvements is a very

15:25

hard subject. yeah talk about now the

15:28

has the interest is so low for

15:30

that way of doing it but when

15:32

you happy and ball did it and

15:34

it's like a process like that I

15:36

can't tell you how many times I've

15:38

seen. On Twitter somebody talking about labs

15:40

and be in like. Yeah.

15:42

I did. This is where I was out

15:45

before. This is where I am now and

15:47

nothing but great being so just to add

15:49

onto that, if you're looking for a place

15:51

to improve like go check out Ill physics

15:53

his twitter, go check out labs. It's like

15:55

not been the great things and there's no

15:57

other resources out there that's really doing anything.

16:00

like that right now. Now, I want

16:02

to see somebody make you a infomercial,

16:04

like one of those like old little

16:06

league, like learning VHS

16:08

tapes. Do you guys remember those? Like

16:10

the fundamentals of EVP. Yeah.

16:18

Low fi tape on that would be

16:20

really good. Well, he gave it like

16:22

the old school aerobics. Yeah.

16:26

He's got the headband. He's got the headband

16:28

like Olivia Newton. John, like, like, like Fran

16:32

favorite Olivia Newton. John. Yeah.

16:35

And the leotard. You're

16:38

doing it. That

16:40

is, I think I only know that because

16:43

like my mom had something from Olivia Newton.

16:45

John. You don't have

16:47

to hide your friends. Yeah.

16:50

You could be, you could be the

16:52

spokesperson. Yeah. Right there. Got it. Done.

16:54

And now I can't stop

16:56

thinking about Fran and the leotard. Sweating

16:58

to the goldies. That's

17:01

right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

17:04

But so much about labs is, you know,

17:06

you've got the TVs out there, of course,

17:09

you know, you've got the ascended nomads and,

17:11

and, you know, that space is

17:13

a great space for folks to,

17:15

you know, glean improvement

17:17

from. And labs

17:19

really is about the way that I

17:21

learned, which is not as

17:23

much through that, but just through experience. And

17:25

I feel like, you know, that is something

17:27

that it's a very difficult thing

17:30

to do. I just want to go ahead and say

17:32

to continue to maintain and moderate, you

17:34

know, this type of community. That's the reason

17:36

why it doesn't exist really,

17:38

you know, especially for a long period of time.

17:41

Nomad used to do it, for example, it's

17:43

really difficult to monetize, you know,

17:45

as far as content and it's

17:47

extremely, extremely difficult or

17:49

challenging, I should say, to moderate.

17:52

And so, Sure, you know, I'm

17:54

always blessed when folks give it great

17:57

reviews, but it's certainly, you know, sometimes

17:59

not all. You. Know flowers in

18:01

Pc gaming? You know sometimes I'm on

18:03

stream like uni. I literally assumes it's

18:05

like oh look at you you are

18:07

hard cedar. You just hit thirty one

18:09

out of thirty one steeper shots. Get.

18:12

Out. There

18:14

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18:16

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18:20

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18:22

get to that kid says like that's that's

18:24

like be that the worst of it you

18:26

know. So that's the type of stuff I

18:28

would catch within. like literally two three games

18:30

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18:32

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20:29

our issues. I'm inclined to agree. Don't cheat.

20:32

I mean, yeah, you've got...if you're cheating, for

20:34

real. You've thought about cheating, you've tried to

20:37

seek some therapy with your friend and

20:40

or a therapist because something's going on

20:42

there. That's not normal. My

20:44

thing is people are people. I try to give people

20:46

room to...not that person. But

20:51

I do try to give people room to make

20:54

mistakes, and sometimes it's necessary to

20:56

call people out, hard ban people

20:58

immediately or after one thing. And

21:02

I correct them on it. Sometimes there's something

21:04

the other day where somebody had kind of a poor attitude,

21:06

and I didn't even mention the name. But I did say

21:09

something about it because it's important

21:11

for me again to

21:14

give some people... People

21:17

are good people, but sometimes we

21:19

make mistakes. Sometimes we get frustrated. Sometimes we

21:22

had a tough day. Sometimes we had family

21:24

stuff going on. And it's not

21:26

something that I'm going to continue to put up

21:28

with or that anybody in my community should, but

21:30

it is something where I'm just vocal and I

21:32

just try to give people a little bit of

21:34

grace. But just one grace, people. Take

21:38

some pain. Just a single grace. Just

21:40

one. A single grace. I'm sorry. I

21:43

don't have time for all that. What were

21:45

you going to say before, by the way? I

21:47

have no idea. Probably nothing of a boring...

21:49

The painting being good and the way we

21:51

cut jobs with the cheaters. I don't know.

21:54

Well, I suppose that might actually be

21:56

a good launching platform, Phoenix,

21:58

to get some of your... thoughts on this as

22:01

we're talking about giving grace to people. How

22:05

do you feel about the timeline between

22:08

this map pack and

22:11

the last time we

22:13

actually got a pack of maps?

22:16

Which is correct if I'm wrong.

22:18

The last time we got a pack of

22:21

new maps, not reprised Destiny 1 maps, was

22:23

Forsaken, was it not? I

22:25

believe so, yeah. After that we got... I believe

22:27

so. We got drip

22:29

fed, a couple of reprisals, and a couple of

22:32

single... we got fragment, which I actually

22:34

don't dislike fragment. I think it's an

22:36

IK map. I think it's solid. Fine.

22:40

Yeah. Multiplex. But

22:42

yeah, so how do you feel about... We don't

22:44

mention... notice how you didn't mention the other one.

22:47

You're right. Good call. Don't mention the other one.

22:49

We'll talk about that one, baby. But

22:52

yeah, I still

22:54

think it's kind of crazy. I'm certainly grateful, don't

22:57

get me wrong. I think this map pack is

22:59

amazing. I'm feeling very positive feelings towards this map

23:01

pack. But before we dive into the map pack

23:03

itself, do you think

23:05

that the Destiny 2 PvP community

23:07

has had to give a little bit of

23:10

grace and have some patience with Bungie when

23:12

it comes to the way that they've handled

23:14

new development of new PvP spaces? Yeah.

23:18

Oh, 100%. And I think

23:21

it's important to do so.

23:23

I think that it's... it's

23:25

tough because I don't expect

23:28

everybody to be following all the news

23:30

with regards to the gaming industry, specifically

23:33

Bungie, if you want to look at it there as

23:35

well. I will

23:38

say that when you do

23:40

that, it's easier to give

23:42

grace. It's at least been that experience for

23:44

me. Whether

23:47

people give grace or not, I

23:49

think it's fairly straightforward to

23:52

be grateful for it. We didn't ever

23:54

have to get it, period, right?

23:57

In one or in three. I

24:03

give grace simply because I know what's going on

24:05

in the industry. I know what's

24:07

going on with Bungie I've seen and been following

24:10

the recent news for it. I

24:12

also know both personally

24:14

and also just through

24:17

osmosis a little bit through our community,

24:20

the passion of our devs, the

24:23

commitment of our devs to make

24:25

a better game, objectively make a

24:27

better game, not something that

24:29

is solely for them individually, not something

24:31

– they are listening. And

24:35

those ground floor devs are

24:37

doing an incredible job. You see

24:40

when Bungie just let them

24:42

rock, right? This is

24:44

the result. And

24:47

we're getting Final Shape and we're getting so

24:49

much great content. And it's

24:52

the little things in

24:54

the smallest of timeframes, turnaround

24:56

timeframes that we're getting that are greatly

24:59

impactful on our experience, especially with

25:02

individual activity onslaught, for example, and

25:05

the turnaround time with some of the

25:07

changes. The same

25:09

thing with – I mean us PVP

25:11

people, hands up, it's

25:13

like PVE is much more likely

25:15

historically to get those sorts of

25:18

turnaround times versus PVP. And PVP

25:20

has been getting them just as

25:22

fast, I would say. So

25:27

we've been here long enough to

25:30

keep perspective, I would hope. And so

25:32

yes, I feel like gratitude and grace

25:34

are great. It'd be great to respond

25:37

in that manner. That doesn't mean we

25:39

can't continue to be – to

25:41

give great feedback and be constructive with

25:43

it, but it's equally important to give

25:45

that praise and to give that

25:48

recognition, and specifically to our ground

25:50

floor devs that have been trying to put this

25:52

together for us for a long time, it seems. I

25:55

feel like even as a

25:58

PVP player – In

26:00

the recent weeks, we've been eating pretty

26:02

good. I think Into the Light

26:04

has delivered a much needed

26:06

reprieve from the downtime. And I've never

26:09

been lacking for stuff to do in

26:11

the last several weeks, even before the

26:13

maps came out, and that's as a

26:15

PvP player. So I'm

26:17

not even like a huge horde mode guy,

26:19

but I've been playing a lot of onslaught,

26:21

driving a lot of rolls. I feel rewarded

26:23

for my time investment. Taking those things into

26:25

PvP and trying out because I mean, these

26:27

guns have incredible perk combinations we've never seen

26:30

before. Like there's clearly a lot of foresight

26:32

in, you know, just

26:35

getting the updated perk pools in there. They were

26:37

really thinking about how are players going to be

26:39

creative? What can they do with these combinations? How

26:41

do we want to even like take one perk

26:43

that's usually in the second call and move it

26:45

to the first call in this time? What

26:48

kinds of new interactions do we have? And I really

26:50

appreciate that because it has opened up the game to

26:53

a lot of people like me who like

26:55

to search for those cool combinations. LEGO as

26:57

well is known for doing the same thing.

26:59

So the mad scientists in the community gets

27:01

to sort of come out of their caves

27:03

and really enjoy the content lately. So I

27:06

was already feeling like pretty

27:08

good before the maps even dropped. So I

27:10

feel like now that we even have the

27:12

maps, I'm like, man, this is like the

27:14

magic that I used to really feel with

27:17

Destiny. It's coming back a little bit, I

27:19

agree. Yeah, where you're like, I am

27:21

looking forward to logging in. It's not I need

27:23

to log in because I feel obligated to do

27:25

these things and stay up to speed with these

27:27

things. It's more like, oh, I have that anticipation.

27:29

I'm looking forward to it. Yeah,

27:32

totally, totally. And for me, that is

27:34

displayed in the fact that, you know,

27:36

generally you'll never see me online if

27:38

I'm not streaming. And that's not to

27:40

say that, you know, I don't

27:42

enjoy the game because I, you

27:44

know, for me, I play the game because I

27:46

enjoy it streaming or otherwise. But

27:49

if you you're seeing me playing like jumping on

27:51

to play on slot, you know, off stream, jumping

27:53

on to play a couple of Crucible games, you

27:55

know, like off stream, usually

27:58

when I'm off stream, Literally just trying to

28:01

get away from all my screens. Period. Just because

28:03

you know I'm streaming so much and like a

28:05

week or something like that, I'm not a be

28:07

in front of this at all. And

28:10

so for me to come back through? End

28:12

of it, you know. Jump on in an

28:14

elegy. I'm not far team find her as

28:17

crazy. Tony, the party wider like ah, like

28:19

run an Onslaught trying to pick up this

28:21

weapon and and in in the East book

28:23

about Onslaught as well. I think what I

28:25

love about Onslaught as a P player is

28:27

we get so much like I'm. Like.

28:30

Don't mean you know, like like hit up

28:32

her second, you know? Yeah, no doubt in

28:35

Npv P rom and that's what onslaught like

28:37

triggers for me. Because it's you know, The

28:39

horde mode aspect of it is just like

28:41

enemy up enemy wave after wave after wave

28:44

and you're constantly in the mix. And and

28:46

that similar to you know, like how I

28:48

feel when I jump into Pv P trying

28:50

to just get too into from engagement engagement

28:53

to engagement as quickly as possible. So yeah,

28:55

yeah, yeah, totally. I really like

28:57

that to me about ah like logging in

28:59

for the like for the first of. it's

29:01

just for the fun of it and an

29:04

idyllic even. It's like a site like a

29:06

perk. scientists you know, like usually that's what

29:08

keeping engages like. Okay I need to go

29:10

get this thing like I'm always either online

29:13

to get a thing or to use that

29:15

thing to do what's right civic thing that's

29:17

like right now and for the first seven

29:19

affair like I can remember other than light

29:21

maybe some rumble games like I, I actually

29:24

like want to jump in. You

29:26

just place in threes. The. As to

29:28

play like with a normal set up. not trying to

29:30

do anything crazy but just. Like. Hit

29:33

some hand cannon shots and play with my

29:35

team You know? and I. I.

29:37

Yeah, that that just brings up a

29:39

really interesting point for myself. As someone

29:41

who continually plays a game, it enjoys

29:43

it for entirely different reasons. like it's

29:45

hitting back that oh gee, destiny feel

29:47

and I'm so glad as a mass

29:49

back down. Near. Will.

29:52

Speak about the Mavs on.

29:55

what's your like favorite so far

29:57

yeah durango best know weren't and

30:00

What tier would you put them at? Even the worst

30:02

one? Where's that at? Where's your best one at? Okay,

30:04

let's start with the worst one, right? The worst, quote-unquote.

30:06

I'm so curious. Lay it on me. We'll see how

30:09

we do it. We're probably going to be different. So

30:12

this is week one, less than one

30:14

week, right? So grain of salt, initial

30:17

impressions, likely to

30:19

change within the next month, I

30:21

would say. Not

30:23

change too much. You've helped out about

30:25

it quite a bit, but likely to change a little

30:28

bit. Dissonance is probably on the lowest for me. It's

30:34

not like it's a bad map. I would say it's

30:36

still an above-average map. Dissonance

30:39

does what Citadel and

30:41

Disjunction do but better. It's an

30:43

evolution of that. You still have

30:45

some kind of deep spawns, but

30:47

fighting in those spawns doesn't

30:50

feel like a team can hold that spawn, number

30:52

one. But it's an open

30:54

space. It's a spawn, but it doesn't feel like a spawn. It

30:58

moves you out of it. By design, it wants you

31:00

to leave. It

31:04

does want you to leave. It gives you enough

31:06

space to work around it as well. If a

31:08

fight ends up happening back there, it feels like

31:10

it's the map. It

31:12

doesn't feel like it's some narrow corridor where

31:14

you're trapped or where you can just set

31:16

up either. There's still angles. And that leads

31:18

me to the larger part of the map

31:21

as well. I

31:23

feel like the sight lines, you could

31:25

just get popped from so many different angles on that

31:28

map. You really have to pick

31:30

your spots. That's

31:35

not a bad thing. I feel like it's

31:37

the map that requires the highest level of

31:39

game sense out of the three, simply

31:42

because you can't break line of sight

31:45

as easily on that map as

31:47

you can on the others. It

31:49

isn't as easily readable,

31:52

but it still is. As far

31:54

as an objective improvement on the

31:57

map, it's still not like... The

32:00

report to navigate the especially as you continue

32:02

to get used to it. Will.

32:06

I think I think what, or maybe

32:08

don't like about it a little bit,

32:11

is that the center of the map

32:13

is like all low it, and so

32:15

if you. If you start

32:17

out in the spawned, you start out at a higher

32:19

level elevation. Arm and so therefore you

32:21

have sight lines in the people that are proud

32:23

to be an aggressor. It,

32:25

You know it. It may be a little bit

32:28

nitpicky or whatnot, but. Let. Me just say

32:30

the dissonance is probably still like at least a

32:32

high be at least the high be tier. If

32:34

I was in a put it somewhere it's still

32:36

an above average map. It's still a great i

32:39

would say. A great evolution on

32:41

citadel and disjunction. Ah, so that's where

32:43

outputs are The lowest map is maybe

32:45

and like a high be. Com.

32:48

Serious. Plaza. Help.

32:52

At. The next up. And.

32:55

This one actually might flip it. When.

32:57

I say that Ah, you know if the

33:00

things my changed my ranking might change over

33:02

the next month or some that Series Plaza

33:04

may become my favorite. Why? We. Don't

33:06

have a map like this. Will. Have

33:08

a mad lies. It'll clean and readable.

33:10

It's clean. It's readable. You've got the

33:13

two areas on the side. You.

33:15

Know and their their own little bunker areas

33:17

where you could have some really interesting for

33:19

me to back there. Really interesting fight. You

33:21

could have your your primary fights you know

33:23

any been somewhat range by somebody, could be

33:25

back there in a particular angle and that

33:28

in those center rooms or whatnot. Restaurant and

33:30

arcade is what is called arm and you

33:32

could still be back there with the pulse

33:34

rifle. Outside of like one Forty

33:36

Hand Cannon range you know? And and if

33:38

you have that sideline, you could still put

33:40

in work back there as that to say

33:43

this is a pulse rifle map. It's not,

33:45

but I'm just simply saying it's super interesting

33:47

and we don't really have something like that.

33:49

It's going to be interesting and trials out.

33:51

This is the first trials map because the

33:54

things that you can do with regards to

33:56

just break and line of sight and duking

33:58

people going through the vents. You know, go

34:00

and buy. You know, like. It down

34:02

by you know Chandelier beat arm that the

34:04

rotation that you can make it is it's

34:07

gonna make it is gonna make it a

34:09

tough that but it's going to be upon

34:11

map and an interesting map and were call

34:13

interesting is that you have a a large

34:16

variety of the types of engagement. Says you're

34:18

gonna get into Uniqlo, see the same type

34:20

of engagement as often as you may see

34:22

on the next map that I'll discuss Witches

34:24

even Even Tide is my favorite map right

34:27

now. It's very. Classic. Map

34:29

Innocence On the way that I

34:31

would describe it. It's very easy

34:33

to read, it's very easy to

34:36

navigate, and it's small. It's very

34:38

small. And so. You

34:41

know you can get from one side to the other

34:43

to try to like flip those photos. Like.

34:46

Relatively easy. it's kind of like an endless veil

34:48

in that sense as far as like be either

34:51

will size of it's ah I agree. But.

34:53

The elevation life got verticality in it. Some

34:55

nice verticality, but it's not the type of

34:57

verticality that you're gonna get stuck on. So

34:59

it's like wide areas up top and you

35:02

can easily like dropdown go underneath. You

35:04

know you're not gonna get stuck. It's got clean features

35:06

and a point where you're not like it stopped honest

35:09

on a pebble or whatever else which is a large

35:11

part for me as well as you know we can

35:13

all lights. In a relate to that the

35:15

fact that you're you try to make something happen

35:17

in trousers. How to make something happen you slide

35:19

the corner, you roll over a pebble and you

35:21

get slide lot you know or you just like

35:23

get bumped up down left right out. Niki s

35:25

it's he gets as lightning moment of in their

35:28

accuracy penalty in the middle of your do all

35:30

as just throw the whole day. I take that

35:32

as yourself met his say it's it's incredibly frustrating.

35:34

So I think that actually even on dissonance they've

35:36

avoided that for the most part I have not

35:38

me. You see a lot of like little little

35:40

textures on dissonance that may be seen as much

35:43

on the other maps and particular spot and super

35:45

clean bizarre but even then I didn't find myself

35:47

really running into that that much and we've been

35:49

playing is quite a bit both like I before

35:51

like I'm glad that me I want to do

35:54

it in general but it was kind of serendipitous

35:56

that we had this to night instead of like

35:58

next week because I made sure. Not

36:00

only did I played like several hours

36:02

of it in pubs, the new what

36:04

is it New something playlist. What is

36:07

accordion? As. The

36:10

territories was called territory. They. Had that

36:12

make sense of? That's right the new

36:14

Territory playlist on but also we played

36:16

like a high level screams and also

36:19

mostly just like mixed mixed lab mix

36:21

level community screams yesterday just a like

36:23

really drill those maps as all have

36:25

been on said last like two days

36:27

and of a celtic like yeah it

36:29

feels really good so I'd put serious

36:32

plaza definitely like an eight year and

36:34

maybe man like a may come up

36:36

into like the low as honestly arm

36:38

and even tied I'd I'd put ah

36:40

I put I put him on even

36:43

footing. Honestly because I just want answers. Posilac So

36:45

interesting. I think that a lot of people will

36:47

find at the same once they get in there

36:49

for trials in particular. After like once or twice,

36:51

it'll be cover okay for it. Sounded.

36:53

Interesting for cydia. While. You

36:55

this essay just before we went

36:58

live the. Destiny. The game

37:00

twitter account did tweet out that I'm

37:02

even tie lads will be the first

37:04

trials map owner rotated says it's not

37:06

the morrow by a week from tomorrow

37:08

Ray Charles back with even side lads

37:10

I thought was going to be serious

37:12

I did see I would have been

37:14

out of money on I'll be there

37:16

to look so clean and different a

37:18

that other candidates. Save. In it. But.

37:22

Something is known as a better way to do.

37:24

Things like been them in your home

37:26

and auto insurance at all since oh

37:28

I'm going to the grocery store for

37:30

males instead of buying own cow. Is

37:34

an easier and better way to. Save.

37:37

Us a twenty five recent when you find

37:39

a home and auto last. Sonos

37:41

I do vary by state and are not available in every

37:44

state, saving up to twenty five percent of the country by

37:46

dapper to the maximum available savings at the home policy also,

37:48

vehicle and property insurance company to fill. It's not like Illinois.

37:52

Something like is no the best way. for

37:54

you as a rate based on you

37:57

with all the salary based on heavy

37:59

use It makes

38:01

the car behind them. Oh

38:04

no, they're about to save

38:07

with DriveWise and the Allstate app and only

38:09

pay a rate based on you. Not

38:13

available in every state, subject to terms and conditions, rating factors and

38:15

savings vary and in some states your rate could increase

38:17

with high-risk driving. Allstate Fire and Casualty Insurance Company

38:20

in affiliates Northbrook, Illinois. Yeah. And

38:22

honestly, if I was going to do that, it's either

38:25

Cirrus Plaza like first or Cirrus Plaza last. I

38:27

think that's going to end up being like a fan

38:29

favorite for trials. No

38:34

doubt. I agree. It's super interesting. We literally

38:36

do not have a map like this in

38:39

Destiny 2 for PvP. So get

38:41

in there and practice everybody. It's fun.

38:44

It takes, now don't get me wrong people, it takes a little

38:46

bit to ease into it because it does

38:49

feel kind of claustrophobic when you start

38:51

playing that map. But

38:53

once you get in there and you're able to like process

38:55

the layout a little bit more and that

38:57

sort of thing, feel free to look at of course the call

38:59

outs and just the map layout in general. But

39:01

you'll get used to it, trust me. And you'll

39:03

find the spaces that you best operate in. But

39:06

there's a lot of ways to move around that map and

39:09

it's fun. It's definitely fun. Watch out

39:11

for Flowdy Warlocks by the way. Watch out for Flowdy

39:13

Warlocks. Just for clarity,

39:15

your ranking is still good, B+,

39:17

or whatever. Dissonance, then Cirrus, then

39:19

even Tides your favorite. Is that

39:21

right? Yep. Yep.

39:24

Yep. Nice. I

39:27

think that's a good reason to rest.

39:29

Alright. Yeah, I'll go. So

39:31

for me, if I'm going last place

39:33

and I want to as

39:35

a disclaimer just say I like all these maps.

39:38

There's not any of them that I dislike. And

39:41

I feel very grateful to have each and every one of

39:43

them added into the rotation because I think they're going to

39:45

play well. I would say

39:47

for me, last place is probably even

39:49

side. I

39:52

do. I flipped it. I

39:54

do actually like the map. I like the space.

39:56

I like the aesthetic. Especially the

39:59

outside area looking up. the catch that's up

40:01

there and the air misses a catch in

40:03

the paint. I actually think the paint schema

40:05

is really vibrant. It's just a cool skybox.

40:07

I know a lot of people don't even

40:09

pay attention to stuff like that. I do.

40:11

I caught it. I caught it. I caught

40:13

it. Yep. I like it. But in terms

40:15

of like, um, engagement spaces, my favorite part

40:18

of the map is, is the far inside

40:20

lane where you actually have these like different

40:22

rooms at different elevations. You have the sort

40:24

of snow room where the snow is actually

40:26

like up above your knees and you leave

40:28

tracks in it and then looping all the

40:30

way around to, um, I think the

40:32

opposite spawn that has, it's like these, they're

40:34

very square rooms that sort of like generators

40:36

in them that you can play around. I

40:39

just, I find that space to be really fun and

40:41

dynamic to work through. Um, but

40:43

I do feel it is very,

40:46

uh, hand cannon

40:48

oriented because, because of how many

40:50

spaces you can move in and out of it's

40:52

very peak shot heavy. And then also in the

40:54

very middle of the map, it's kind of humped,

40:56

right? It's a little bit of a, of a,

40:59

uh, you know, I don't know if that's the

41:01

right word for it, but it's kind of like

41:03

a dome shade lane. And so there's

41:05

lots of like kind of head glitchy, you know, depending

41:07

on how far back on that hump you are. So

41:10

I feel like when that thing though, no,

41:12

but I, but I do think

41:14

that it limits. Maybe what you should

41:16

bring to the table in that space. Okay.

41:18

Well, I think the other maps have room for

41:20

just about everything else. And I have played, I've

41:22

been living in that playlist and I have played

41:25

teams that they try to send you. I seen

41:27

you in there. I seen you in there. Hey

41:30

man, I was in the PC. I was in

41:32

the PC playlist for like six hours straight on

41:34

the day they launched. How do I

41:36

say this in this guy's square? Yeah. We've

41:38

got to run into each other, but I have played

41:40

teams that try to play pulses on the outside, they

41:42

go out to where the servitor is and, um,

41:46

and they try to just control the map from out there,

41:48

but the game modes themselves don't really encourage

41:50

you to do that because. I

41:52

mean, you know, you're playing things like king

41:54

of the hill, uh, skirmish. So if you get

41:57

picked out there, then you're going to get split

41:59

spawns in the smart. Team is then gonna go

42:01

bully the guy that spawns by himself. So it

42:03

doesn't really work out. You know what I mean?

42:05

Yeah, yeah tougher and then that's actually

42:07

in sorry to interrupt That's actually what a couple

42:09

of my community members especially, you know folks that

42:11

are a little bit more casual at the game

42:13

We're saying it's super small So it's

42:16

tough actually like if you face a team that's

42:18

trying to split spawn you You know that's trying

42:20

to actually push your spawn and get there pretty

42:22

fast, you know, so so yeah continue. I'm sorry

42:25

to interrupt So anyways,

42:27

I think it is a really good

42:30

map, but I also think that playing

42:32

well on that I think the skill

42:34

difference between teams is gonna get exacerbated

42:36

on on that map specifically So

42:39

if there is a difference in skill levels between the

42:41

two teams I think it's gonna be harder for the

42:43

worst team to make up for that on that map

42:45

specifically just because of the way it plays My

42:48

second place is dissonance which

42:50

on launch day Within

42:52

the first hour or so it was in last place

42:55

for me The more I played it the

42:57

more that I you know experience the map

42:59

and learned the lanes learn the power positions

43:02

Learn the sight lines and I've actually done

43:04

a series this week on YouTube where I

43:06

break down each map Hey, here

43:08

are the key sight lines. Here's why this

43:11

spawn is better and this spawn is worse

43:13

Here's what this one has to offer For

43:15

example the C spawn on dissonance has on

43:17

the if you go to the right side

43:19

of the C spawn That

43:21

long lane looking down to where heavy

43:24

spawns on orbital that circular platform You've

43:26

cleared on a site all the way to it from the

43:28

spawn the right side of the spawn a spawn

43:31

That sight line does not exist It's gonna get

43:33

about halfway down that lane, but you can't actually

43:35

get shots on heavy You can't get shots on

43:37

people controlling orbital space And

43:40

then also if you flip, you know You're

43:42

down in the middle of the map and you've got the

43:44

two opposite sides You've got the side that has the traveler

43:46

side that has the tree The side

43:48

that has the tree is called bloom and

43:50

there's all these flowers all over it. It

43:52

has the B capture point It has a

43:54

little like a ledge that goes

43:57

sort of underneath the map around the flank of

43:59

it There's so many different spaces

44:01

to work with and a lot of

44:03

cover there. Plus that location has direct

44:05

line of sights into the square

44:07

rooms. Communion and mare are the

44:10

names of them. And that's where people congregate.

44:12

So from Bloom's side, you can see into

44:14

those rooms. But on the opposite side, there's

44:16

no cover. You're in a kill box, you're

44:18

fishing a barrel, and you have no line

44:20

of sight on any key parts of the

44:22

map. So once I sort

44:24

of piece together, where should I

44:26

be? Why should I be there? How can

44:28

I leverage this space and get shots on

44:30

people coming through the main thoroughfares? That

44:33

map just came alive for me. And

44:36

now I love it. It

44:38

jumped up from last place to second place

44:40

just barely. And Cirrus Plaza

44:42

takes my first place, mainly

44:44

because it just feels so

44:46

arena shooter nostalgic, but

44:49

also reimagined into a destiny space

44:51

that makes sense. And

44:54

there are a lot of tricky angles

44:57

on the plaza. When you learn it,

44:59

there's some clever stuff you could do

45:01

on that map. Definitely, definitely. And

45:04

that was just always a joy to play.

45:06

And you said be where the flute's being

45:08

four lines. I gotta interrupt just a second,

45:10

I'm so sorry. If you are listening to

45:13

this conversation and you don't recognize the map,

45:15

go back to last week's swab, where Relic

45:17

had the overviews of the map, and

45:20

re-listen to this conversation again, because

45:23

those maps are so good. And

45:25

you guys are killing it with the call outs too. Sorry, go

45:28

on TV. It's just, yeah, I feel

45:30

like appreciating a space means understanding it.

45:34

And if you do wanna elevate your game, understand

45:36

the space, because it's gonna open up tons

45:38

of new avenues for you and PVP is

45:40

gonna come alive in a way that it

45:43

didn't before. But anyways, I

45:45

was gonna say, you said be where the flute's being

45:47

four lines. Also, you could do some

45:49

really tricky stuff in the gap on Cirrus

45:51

Plaza with the Hunter double jump. You

45:55

know the space where heavy is and there's the

45:57

two elevators, they're kinda like clear pillars. You

45:59

can like. Grab heavy run off the

46:01

map and hug like hug one of those

46:03

elevator pillars and Double jump back up and

46:06

clamber and the ways that you can move

46:08

around that space are super creative with I

46:10

agree I agree It's it's

46:12

that it's the the dimensions of that space

46:14

is like perfect for hunter jump like yeah,

46:17

like manipulation right there I completely agree. I

46:19

was doing some of that yesterday as well.

46:21

So very very cool That's

46:23

my ranking. Okay, I like it.

46:25

I like it. And then you know, I'm right there

46:27

with you the serious Plaza just The

46:30

more I play that map the more I I'm

46:32

falling in love with it, honestly, and it's it's quickly

46:34

becoming It's likely gonna

46:36

eclipse even time for me, honestly. Yeah. Yeah

46:39

I mean, I think it's worth noting it's sort

46:41

of obvious but we started off with like well

46:43

best and worst and it's important I think to

46:46

point out there is no worst. It's literally like

46:48

they're all very all best of the best, right?

46:51

Yeah, a very nice place to be

46:53

yes Great. I

46:56

mean, yeah, what I'm hearing I don't know how

46:58

no no no that somebody said Yeah,

47:00

somebody said the same thing yesterday and they'll

47:03

toss it over to my I certainly don't mean to take

47:05

the space But somebody said it yesterday like that You

47:09

know whenever we ask the question, what's your favorite map, you

47:11

know, somebody's always coming up with something different You

47:14

know and I think that bodes well for

47:16

the map pack the fact that it's you

47:18

know, it's not just javelin, right? If

47:20

we end up putting a poll out,

47:23

it's not just gonna be eventides And

47:25

I've heard quite a few people say that

47:28

dissonance for example is their favorite So

47:30

so yeah That's a

47:33

good segue for us. So if you're lit

47:35

if you're not watching you just listening we

47:37

did lose Lego to a hailstorm He got

47:39

taken out by Hale It's

47:43

the Australia of America But

47:53

his favorite is dissonance So

47:56

dissonance that makes sense. He held it. He

47:58

held a quirky that makes it He

48:00

did. That was your least favorite.

48:03

He did. And his least favorite

48:06

is Eventide. So. Okay. Fair,

48:08

fair, fair. Basically pretty much flipped. Flipped

48:11

it, honey. We're alone so far, man. It's okay. I

48:14

think Eventide. We're all alone so far, yeah. I

48:18

think Eventide is the most conventional of

48:20

the maps, you know? So I'm not

48:22

surprised that my quirky brethren would put

48:24

that as a blast. Wait,

48:27

wait. To recap yours again, TV,

48:29

I thought Eventide was your favorite. No.

48:32

The middle. The middle one. Oh,

48:34

no. Eventide laughs. Eventide

48:36

was the last, last, last. Eventide

48:38

is last. Dissonant's a close second

48:40

right behind Cirrus Plaza. I flipped

48:42

it in my mind after you flipped it. Got

48:45

it. I think that'd

48:47

probably go. I think Eventide's probably

48:49

my favorite. And

48:52

then after that, I don't know. It could be

48:54

either or. But like you guys have said, they

48:56

are all very good maps. Definitely the best maps

48:59

we've gotten in a long time. We went for

49:01

a little minute there where every new map that

49:03

was coming out was like, well,

49:06

we lost. A bad duck. You

49:09

know, I'm not great. I'm glad I got this map

49:11

for the first time in two years. Yeah.

49:14

Yeah. So it would have been, I

49:16

think it would have been nice if maybe we had

49:18

one of these maps mixed in with the other maps

49:20

because then you would have like the long range maps

49:22

with a smaller map and that would have made, it

49:25

might have even made you appreciate the larger maps

49:27

more because it wasn't just like, here's a bunch

49:30

of big maps. So

49:32

yeah, I've been happy with all the maps. I think

49:34

they're great. And I think that trials is really going

49:36

to be the thing that's going to make us

49:39

truly understand them and have

49:41

them ranked fully. Yeah.

49:45

I'm with you on that. Yeah,

49:48

for me, I mean, I'm no PvP expert, obviously,

49:50

but I've been playing PvP since the alpha, right?

49:53

So I do play, I went

49:56

from definitely being a seriously uncooked

49:58

potato to. getting

50:00

into trials, getting carried by some very, very

50:02

good folks and just loving the thrill of

50:04

it and the guns that we

50:06

were getting that then I got into like,

50:08

yo, you need to like pay attention and

50:11

get a little better. Like you were all talking about it

50:13

and I managed to, but part of that was switching to

50:15

mouse and keyboard. I mean, I just, I

50:17

can't play PvP stuff on controller. I have

50:19

a lot of trouble doing my 180 and

50:22

my mobility as well as getting the aim

50:24

right. And like, nah, and that's mouse

50:27

acceleration, different topic. But anyway,

50:30

Cirrus for me was obviously the one because of

50:32

the way it looks, but also just the way

50:35

it felt because I love the symmetry. Anytime

50:38

you get symmetry in a map, it's easier in your

50:40

head space to get a pretty

50:42

good sense. Granted, there's some wild little peaks

50:44

and all that,

50:47

but I just love Cirrus because

50:49

like it felt like something just

50:51

so shiny and new. It was

50:53

to me the new shiny toy

50:55

of a PvP map. The other

50:57

ones, absolutely. The Ferrari

50:59

of the group. It's like, I'm beautiful. I'm

51:01

here to look gorgeous. It's got

51:03

the wood paneling, the neon lights.

51:05

Yeah, exactly. The shiny paint job.

51:07

Like I love that it was

51:09

just very bright. And I

51:12

think that's part of it, too, is it

51:14

works in the narrative while also just being

51:16

actually, you know what? I

51:19

don't know if you played Apex TV, but like now I'm

51:21

talking about like, you know, it has a little bit of

51:23

an apex. It kind of does

51:25

have that. Right. Yeah, you're right. The lights.

51:28

Anyway, so just love the feel of

51:30

it. And I like it

51:32

was interesting to like hop in and just

51:34

immediately be like, I don't know this map.

51:36

I thought I was going to get stomped,

51:38

but actually it just like it clicked kind

51:41

of quickly. You could see a lot of

51:43

what was going on. And anyway, Cirrus

51:45

to me, but this is not

51:47

for like a super highly competitive PvP

51:50

player, obviously, but it felt it was a

51:52

feeling. So to me, it was like, number one, I

51:54

couldn't really rank beyond that. But actually, I

51:56

thought I was not going to like this news because,

51:59

yeah, it did remind me of I think

52:01

it was disjunction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything

52:04

with like the organic curves and it's

52:06

dark, it's a cave and I'm like, nah,

52:09

not for me, usually. And part

52:11

of that is just the color

52:14

vibe, I think. But actually,

52:16

as I started playing it, I was like,

52:18

this is kind of interesting. I'm like, especially

52:20

that thing in the center where you're like,

52:22

do this real weird, what's it called? Orbital.

52:26

Orbital. You're doing this

52:28

weird hide and seek in there. People are

52:30

like hiding in the donut or orbital, whatever

52:32

it is. And it's I'd probably

52:35

call it donut. I always like to make call out.

52:37

Okay, we'll change it to donut. We'll sit on

52:40

that one. Bagel? I'm

52:42

looking for, let us know, by the way,

52:45

as you start playing trials this weekend, if

52:47

you have unique call outs, because I love

52:49

official call outs. And based on the map, I think it's

52:52

a way to make it all click. But like, you know,

52:54

Mohawk, what is that banner? Yep, banner.

52:56

Oh, yeah. There are Mohawk

52:58

Mohawk, like all I would love to hear from

53:00

you guys at some point on special call off

53:02

and stuff getting off track. But anyway, dissonance

53:05

actually kind of stood out. And just to

53:07

cap that off, I don't know

53:09

why, but I'm looking at the icy screenshot

53:11

in the link to the map overviews of

53:13

like even tide. And I played, you know,

53:15

a bunch on

53:18

Wednesday. I cannot for the life of

53:20

me remember even tide. I don't know

53:22

why. I can like see it all.

53:24

But for whatever reason, I'm like, so

53:27

whatever that says about even tide, and I'm not saying

53:29

it's bad. That's where I'm at with it. But

53:33

to wrap that up. Wow.

53:35

Yeah, shiny new toy is definitely the way

53:37

I felt. And you know, TV

53:39

you asked it in the beginning and

53:41

Tony you gave a gracious answer. But

53:43

yeah, it's been way too long.

53:46

How do we as a community get to

53:49

supporting the PvP community with this and

53:51

it's not easy. But that's not our

53:53

problem if you're spending money and time

53:55

in the game. Right. So obviously, and

53:57

I'm not saying that you're presenting it

53:59

that that way, but like

54:01

we know the PVP community is

54:04

going to like this. I think they needed the reminder.

54:07

And so now they're hopefully right. And that's why

54:09

I think I said it last week. I said,

54:11

get in there and play. Even if you feel

54:13

like you're done with it, if you love listening

54:15

to PVP, you're listening at some point and

54:18

you wanted them to support a more and you dropped out

54:20

and whatever, and maybe there's a lot of reasons you don't

54:22

play, but if you feel like there's a chance, get

54:25

in there and play all this data is going

54:27

to come pouring back in over the next few

54:29

months. And it's probably going to

54:31

decide the future of what does this

54:33

mean? You know, I think they already have plans, but

54:35

as you're budgeting for new years and all that, I

54:37

mean, it's going to, it's

54:40

going to be important. So yeah, I did my part so

54:42

far and got in there for one day. Um, but

54:45

I would also wrap that up by

54:47

saying that I like the

54:49

maps a ton. It felt, yeah, like maybe

54:52

Lego said, it was just so refreshing, um,

54:54

to just feel like, yeah, it feels like PVP

54:56

is kind of back again in a way. But

55:00

because I'm just kind of that I'm more

55:02

of a PVE player now and I hop in and out, I

55:04

try to get burned out. I've been playing destiny PVP for 10

55:06

years. And so unfortunately I was

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55:40

Yeah, it's work. Um, and

55:42

I've already played a lot of this. I'm definitely

55:45

more of a hop in and out of halo

55:47

infinite type PVP player these days. No, I'm not

55:49

a totally fair PVP main. And I think that's

55:51

super important. I'm not hating on it. But

55:53

I literally could feel after about three or four

55:56

hours, I was like, I've played

55:58

this game before a lot. And

56:00

I'm gonna go run Warlords Ruined and more

56:02

in that later. Watch,

56:09

did you talk about your favorite yet? Yeah,

56:12

I mean I honestly I

56:14

played for I played for a

56:16

while. I didn't play for super long cuz I

56:20

Don't want to be a negative Nancy

56:22

when everyone's super happy, but definitely doesn't

56:24

spark joy for me anymore And it's

56:26

not really bungees fault That

56:29

bungees been killing it recently. I think onslaught is really

56:31

good That's definitely the most that I've played in probably

56:33

like three or four months I

56:36

think the maps are really good. They've

56:38

got the raid gauntlet, which is great

56:41

Currently you can get pretty much everything

56:43

for free until the final shape comes

56:45

out And then they're also

56:47

adding you can now do beyond light

56:49

and shadow keep for free forever Um,

56:53

so yeah bungees been doing really well recently

56:55

So I don't think there's necessarily anything bungee

56:57

can do it's just been playing the

56:59

game for ten years And there's like 20 amazing

57:02

games coming out a day. No doubt Doesn't

57:06

mean that it's a bad game right? No, I

57:08

don't think it's yeah, I just I

57:10

think it's probably What says

57:13

bad game? Yeah,

57:18

they've been doing nice stuff funny

57:20

I had that question for you So

57:24

we know the answer now, but I had one more

57:26

quick one on the yeah I don't know if prior

57:28

you're moving on for that or anybody else had stuff,

57:31

but what do you guys think? Especially

57:34

the TV and physics who are so in

57:37

What's the map rollout frequency plan

57:39

beyond new territory, right? Cuz I'm

57:41

like, oh my god, they got

57:44

that mode set up What do

57:46

they do after you're starting to

57:48

burn these maps out your mainlining

57:50

the new toy? We

57:52

in trouble if we don't do so, you know, how do

57:54

you? Keep it fresh. Like

57:57

what's the plan? I

58:00

think they haven't given us go ahead go

58:02

ahead TV Yeah, I guys need what do

58:05

you yeah my preference would be at least

58:07

two to three brand new maps a year

58:09

Would would I think keep people? Appeased

58:12

oh wait wait before we get to that

58:14

one that's sorry that wasn't I should be

58:16

more clear I was saying how do you

58:18

integrate these with all the old maps in

58:20

just control in whatever? How

58:23

in other words when you're gonna get tired of

58:25

just playing these three maps? And

58:27

then you want to integrate and then you get really

58:30

play them in control like now They're

58:32

in this yeah, it's just you know who knows

58:34

how long you have to play for it That's what I'm asking

58:36

is do they need to keep this mode up forever No,

58:40

you need you need to get rid of any old

58:42

maps. That's what no I think We're

58:53

gonna get new maps for probably

58:55

many years I feel

58:57

like this map pack was a dear lord

58:59

We have to do something and they

59:02

were like okay. Let's just get someone on it. Just get

59:04

them to do it I don't think No

59:09

big they brought people back

59:12

Who had their hands on the

59:14

launch maps for desi to the maps

59:16

of the community universally love love everybody's

59:19

like oh? We love javelin for oh,

59:21

we love endless veil Even

59:24

like Midtown is still pretty People

59:27

are like yeah sure okay and

59:30

the maps that they dislike are the maps where

59:33

Those people who a lot of those people had their

59:35

hands on launch maps were no longer at bunchy and

59:38

then they dedicated some PVE Artists

59:41

and stuff like that to designing these new spaces And

59:44

helping out with that and we didn't really

59:46

like those maps. We didn't really like this

59:49

junction. We didn't I'm

59:51

I don't know how do you how do you feel about

59:53

multiplex Tony? I know that that was sort of a Kind

59:57

of debated some people love it some people hate it You

1:00:00

know, multiplex is interesting. I'm glad you brought that up because I

1:00:02

was going to bring that up earlier. I,

1:00:04

after trials on multiplex, of which we

1:00:06

only had it once, actually

1:00:08

came to like a little bit more. Because

1:00:11

it was the first

1:00:13

time in, man, that

1:00:15

I can remember that I actually didn't

1:00:17

have a hand cannon and a shotgun on. And

1:00:20

it's not as if I don't enjoy other

1:00:23

archetypes. Everybody knows me for a hand cannon and

1:00:25

shotgun. But I

1:00:27

put on a Mida and a

1:00:29

Mida Mini, and that was, that shit was

1:00:31

fun, bro. I think it

1:00:34

was fun if you were in

1:00:36

trios though because one spawn

1:00:39

has actually a shorter route to

1:00:42

the main lane. So unfortunately, if you

1:00:44

were planning against a team that knew that, they

1:00:46

would send everybody down the lane as quickly as

1:00:48

they could get there. And then you wouldn't, you

1:00:50

would literally not be able to make it out

1:00:52

of your spawn without having a firing squad there

1:00:54

to shoot. So

1:00:56

that made it challenging. But all this to

1:00:58

say, they did actually hire

1:01:01

some people back who were there for

1:01:03

the launch maps of DC. I didn't

1:01:05

know that. Specifically, I'm thinking of Cooley,

1:01:09

who I really appreciate his work that

1:01:11

he's done for the PPP community. He's a

1:01:13

great guy. And he

1:01:15

had his hand in the new map

1:01:17

pack. So that was his first

1:01:19

time back on Destiny maps. And

1:01:22

this is what we got. I

1:01:24

feel like they wouldn't hire people

1:01:27

like Cooley and then just

1:01:29

immediately say, okay, we're done with you. Thank you for

1:01:31

your work. I mean, maybe.

1:01:33

I mean, we've seen stuff like that

1:01:36

happen before. But the optimist in me

1:01:38

is saying there's more work for them to do. Most

1:01:41

definitely, especially after I'm sure that – I mean, these

1:01:43

maps have been – at

1:01:46

least the sentiment that I've seen so far

1:01:48

have been pretty well received overall. So

1:01:51

one thing I'll mention as well is, do you

1:01:53

remember the – it

1:01:56

was either the artist

1:01:58

sketches for Javelin, the early – sketches or

1:02:00

it maybe was like an early but

1:02:04

there was actually supposed to be kind of like a

1:02:06

pit in javelin that I

1:02:08

can't remember whether you could actually like

1:02:11

drop down into the middle like the

1:02:13

rocket was actually like yeah like almost

1:02:15

the exhaust area underneath exactly yeah and

1:02:17

I think you were able to navigate

1:02:19

that in like the initial or an

1:02:22

earlier version of that map and I

1:02:24

think about that often especially seeing sir

1:02:26

Esplaza because you know if there's one

1:02:28

of the maps that reminds me of

1:02:30

javelin the most it's sir Esplaza and

1:02:34

the fact that you mean you can't jump down there

1:02:36

and I did and I died but yeah yeah I

1:02:38

thought that was was cool to see

1:02:46

and it just it just called back that

1:02:48

earlier you know version of javelin so but

1:02:51

I do I do

1:02:53

I do agree you

1:02:56

know you know it didn't necessarily ask specifically

1:02:58

this question but of course you know TV

1:03:00

had had mentioned it when we first started

1:03:02

I do agree with the two to three

1:03:04

like per year would be fantastic I

1:03:07

think in order to keep some

1:03:09

freshness or to at least mitigate

1:03:11

the fatigue you

1:03:14

know continuing to double down on

1:03:16

isolating certain maps to certain modes

1:03:19

and then after it has

1:03:21

a certain cycle like that then switch it

1:03:23

up and have that map then in a

1:03:26

different mode right so

1:03:28

if it's if it's controlled or something like that

1:03:30

well okay I'm just putting this out here because

1:03:32

it's the first map that comes to mind obviously

1:03:34

javelin works for pretty much everything but okay you

1:03:36

know you don't see javelin in control anymore you

1:03:38

know and that's for like three

1:03:40

six months or something like that but now you

1:03:42

know like the next six months three six months

1:03:45

somebody that javelin comes in a control and something

1:03:47

else jumps into clash or something like that and

1:03:49

you know I feel like like little things

1:03:52

like that we don't

1:03:54

necessarily have to take any like maps out

1:03:57

especially with the amount of map fatigue that we have

1:03:59

in Right now just in general Disjunction

1:04:02

can stay for rift cool. You know,

1:04:05

I certainly don't mind it there. It's

1:04:07

it's definitely like a quintessential rift map

1:04:10

I don't know if I'd play anything else there

1:04:12

Honestly outside of maybe like mayhem or team scorched

1:04:14

or something like that something kind of casual and

1:04:16

silly But

1:04:18

but I feel like that'd be a good,

1:04:21

you know route to take but I don't

1:04:23

think we can really afford at this point

1:04:25

To like take out, you know maps and

1:04:27

I always want to respect dev time as

1:04:29

well. Honestly So but

1:04:31

I do think that we should continue to incorporate

1:04:33

and you know If we continue to you know

1:04:35

incorporate two three, you know maps a year whatnot

1:04:37

Then of course we could maybe retire, you know

1:04:40

Some some of the least favors or something something

1:04:42

that maybe has been outgrown last thing I'll say

1:04:44

too is, uh, you know fortress The

1:04:47

most underrated sixes map in the game. Nobody ever mentions

1:04:49

it. But that map has stayed

1:04:51

has staying power since like year

1:04:54

one I don't think there's I don't think

1:04:56

there's any map that has the degree of staying power That

1:04:59

allows you to just play whatever, you know weapon you

1:05:01

want however you want for the most part on that

1:05:03

map It's a big map with great rotational symmetry So

1:05:07

we're gonna continue to make big maps bungee.

1:05:09

Let's let's let's follow that blueprint. I think I'm good

1:05:12

Yeah, make it good to yeah Yeah,

1:05:17

I mean the only thing I'll say there is

1:05:20

that it does seem like destiny and

1:05:22

bungee Is in a bit of a

1:05:24

pickle with the like yeah, they they needed to just

1:05:26

get these maps out the community's been

1:05:28

kind of Left behind

1:05:30

in a way right and so they just had

1:05:32

to do it and it is free It's not

1:05:34

like it's part of the final shape, etc. Yeah,

1:05:36

but um, I do have to wonder yeah What

1:05:38

is the solution going forward like me? I'm like,

1:05:41

oh, yeah, I would happily buy a map pack

1:05:43

But I don't think you know, yeah. Yeah,

1:05:45

we spoke about that then

1:05:48

They're not gonna be able to integrate them in

1:05:50

the like expansions or episodes I don't think I

1:05:53

only say that because like I think you're gonna

1:05:55

have trouble proving The value

1:05:57

like they always have of like PDP clear

1:06:00

I mean, what do you guys think the solution is? If

1:06:05

it or it doesn't even need a

1:06:07

solution, right? Like meaning why is it

1:06:09

taking so long? Like is there not

1:06:11

enough money being spent? Like not enough

1:06:14

players? Like what? What

1:06:16

is my guess for it? Because all we're saying is

1:06:18

yeah, we want more maps, but that doesn't really get

1:06:20

to the heart of the problem. Does it? Well,

1:06:22

my guess is that for a while it

1:06:24

seemed like the focus was just on creating

1:06:26

the content that makes the money. So you've

1:06:29

got like we didn't get any

1:06:31

ritual armor sets, right? Like they were like

1:06:33

no, no ritual armor sets, but we have

1:06:35

a bunch of eververse armor sets. They were

1:06:37

making dungeons because that's a dungeon pass that

1:06:39

you buy this raid because it's part of

1:06:41

the yearly expansion. Like the PvE paid content

1:06:43

is what makes them money. So

1:06:45

it kind of seemed like there was

1:06:47

a focus of like let's create the

1:06:49

stuff that directly makes those money and

1:06:51

like crucible maps can make them money,

1:06:53

but it's more of like people are coming

1:06:55

back and staying around for longer and then

1:06:57

they end up buying the stuff. It's

1:07:01

not like a direct way. We make raid

1:07:03

people pay for raid make more money. That's

1:07:06

what I'm getting at aren't we in the same dangerous

1:07:08

waters? How do we yeah,

1:07:10

yeah, say okay, we

1:07:13

made some money here. Bungie and PlayStation

1:07:15

we want to keep doing this. Yeah,

1:07:18

I don't know. I know play time, but

1:07:21

yeah, I mean play time is

1:07:24

a big is a big factor for sure.

1:07:26

If you can be like hey look we

1:07:28

have more players sticking around increase crucible for

1:07:30

longer than we had before and that you

1:07:33

can just showing play time is a

1:07:35

pretty big deal for a lot of investors and shareholders and

1:07:37

all that stuff. But yeah,

1:07:39

of course that we're always in the danger of

1:07:41

slipping into we just have to focus on the

1:07:43

things that make us money and then we focus

1:07:45

on the other stuff later. So

1:07:48

yeah loaded industry-wide

1:07:50

too. I mean that's you

1:07:53

always do the top-down decision-making

1:07:55

that that maybe seems

1:07:57

kind of disconnected from the game.

1:08:00

experience and what the gamer is

1:08:02

actually feeling and doing and engaging

1:08:04

with. I think that's probably one

1:08:06

of the biggest factors in the

1:08:08

news this week with Xbox and

1:08:10

the shutting down studios and consolidating

1:08:13

others and all

1:08:17

that business. Yeah so I mean

1:08:20

I had a little tinder for the fire here

1:08:22

which was I've brought it up before and like

1:08:24

I know that it's complicated and I'll

1:08:26

proceed this by giving away and saying this I

1:08:28

don't like battle passes and season passes a ton

1:08:30

I don't even like the way that it's done

1:08:33

and Destiny in other

1:08:35

words buying it it sunsets on you and

1:08:38

it's got a bunch of stuff in it

1:08:40

that but anyway I do think there's something

1:08:42

there of like a track for

1:08:45

PvP that you can buy

1:08:47

into so that's gotta be

1:08:49

free or part of it

1:08:51

probably free. Like why not launch

1:08:54

something that people can buy into as like

1:08:56

extra content. I mean you made it this

1:08:58

far why not just launch a bunch of

1:09:00

ornaments and what else you guys tell me what else

1:09:02

could be in there that you'd be like I'd buy

1:09:04

that for six bucks

1:09:07

for nine bucks. I would buy

1:09:09

a crucible season pass I know you

1:09:11

say don't like season pass but like having a

1:09:14

yeah I mean you could level it up by

1:09:16

playing PvP specifically or do it turning in PvP

1:09:18

bounties and then there could be ornaments

1:09:21

for guns that people really like in PvP

1:09:23

you can have ornaments for exotics and armor

1:09:26

ornaments you could have a bunch of stuff

1:09:28

in there shaders would appeal

1:09:30

to you shaders so a lot of ornaments shaders

1:09:32

yeah and like gun ornaments as

1:09:34

well not just armor ones right

1:09:37

because we have a lot of gun

1:09:39

ornaments recently that's true and a

1:09:41

lot of the like Eververse shader

1:09:43

packs some of those shaders are

1:09:46

really freaking cool. If you integrated

1:09:48

that into a PvP in

1:09:50

a pass of some kind I

1:09:52

think that would actually get a lot of traction I think you're right

1:09:54

about that. I love the numbers

1:09:56

behind how many people are playing crucible compared

1:09:59

to how many better play in the

1:10:01

rest of the game because I wonder like

1:10:03

how could they justify

1:10:05

spending money on making specific

1:10:07

crucible shaders, specific

1:10:10

crucible armor, like is

1:10:13

that even inside

1:10:17

the realm of possibility? Isn't that usually

1:10:19

about half? Like it's about half the player

1:10:21

base or a little less than half? Usually

1:10:23

you're looking at yeah around 40 percent.

1:10:25

Lately we've been down as low as

1:10:27

I've seen it down like to 18

1:10:30

percent. Yeah, it was about 40

1:10:33

percent before I

1:10:36

was looking at you know the distribution

1:10:38

of players and it was like yeah

1:10:40

there even with bungee doing essentially this

1:10:42

is when bungee was doing literally nothing

1:10:44

new. I was like there's still 40

1:10:47

percent of players playing crucible when

1:10:49

they're not doing anything. And these

1:10:51

aren't official numbers right? These are like tracker API numbers.

1:10:54

Yeah it's public API yeah. Yeah

1:10:57

it's like which accounts have logged

1:10:59

in and played activity.

1:11:02

And it fluctuates of course through the season and

1:11:04

you know when obviously when people are doing a

1:11:06

lot of the new PvE content you know then

1:11:08

PvP is not going to be as big of

1:11:11

a priority for them. I

1:11:13

definitely feel like you know later into

1:11:15

the season you know PvP is what

1:11:17

ends up carrying a lot of you

1:11:19

know the weight of maintaining people yeah

1:11:21

maintaining people you know being here through

1:11:24

the remainder of the season and get them prepped

1:11:26

for you know continuing to play for the you

1:11:28

know when the next season pops up. Something

1:11:32

I'll also mention is pay to win. Don't

1:11:34

move off of this PvP season path yet

1:11:36

though. Oh no no

1:11:39

I'm not. I was mentioning something

1:11:41

that PvP players like value is

1:11:43

quote unquote pay to win ornaments

1:11:47

you know right. So yeah talking about you

1:11:49

know the ornament for Vigey Wing. We're

1:11:51

talking about you know chaperone just clean

1:11:53

sight lines the Hawkmoon

1:11:55

ornament right. I think it was like Oshiraptor

1:11:58

is what it's called. So So

1:12:00

I wouldn't necessarily consider any of them

1:12:02

truly pay to win. But

1:12:06

it speaks to how clean that

1:12:08

reticle is and how

1:12:10

the ease of which people are able

1:12:13

to really get into that gun, the feel of that

1:12:15

gun. So we really do

1:12:17

value that. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes

1:12:19

it can. Yeah. For

1:12:22

example, might have definitely, some of them are

1:12:24

red dots and like some of them are

1:12:26

obviously. Very clean. Yeah.

1:12:30

Let me ask you guys a question.

1:12:33

Would a PVPC's pass be separate and

1:12:35

in addition to the currency's pass? Yes,

1:12:39

I would think it should be. I would

1:12:41

think it would happen. I think it should be

1:12:43

completely separate to prove at this point. So

1:12:47

it would be an additional charge then. Some

1:12:51

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1:12:54

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1:14:00

can underestimate like where yeah, where is this season bass

1:14:02

gonna be? How do you make

1:14:04

players understand it? Where does it go gotta have

1:14:06

the team build it in bug test it putting

1:14:08

that aside Why isn't it

1:14:10

here is what I would say and

1:14:13

like just it's like we see players spend

1:14:15

20 bucks on like a ridiculous Thing

1:14:17

and so it just feels like for if 999 is

1:14:20

the magic number or whatever it is Yeah,

1:14:22

like a couple ornaments some emblems

1:14:24

like a reactive shader Whatever

1:14:27

and even Halo Infinite's doing some interesting stuff

1:14:30

where they basically have I think it's their

1:14:32

own version of bright dust But you do

1:14:34

five bucks actually just for a

1:14:36

single shader That's exclusive for

1:14:38

that season. I think

1:14:40

like I'm sure I guarantee

1:14:43

you bungee's thought of this We're not the first

1:14:45

but I'm sitting here thinking to me. This

1:14:47

is the solution. I just wanted to Like

1:14:51

I see where you're coming from and I kind of

1:14:53

like it cuz you showed your support for PvP but

1:14:56

I'm like do I want to pay for

1:14:58

two season passes for destiny like That's

1:15:01

what may not it may not it may not be

1:15:03

it may not may not necessarily for you though You

1:15:09

know like All I'm saying

1:15:11

what I will say is like the amount of

1:15:13

PvP like centric players That

1:15:16

would pay pay for it just because

1:15:18

a dope emblem is up there just

1:15:20

even just one dope emblem is insane

1:15:23

You know Really

1:15:26

well for PvP too because you

1:15:28

can be a PvP player in destiny and

1:15:30

be totally free because you can access it

1:15:32

for free besides trials So having something that

1:15:35

you can buy into that is giving you

1:15:37

stuff that you care about like a reactive

1:15:39

ornament for a gun would be Incredible right

1:15:41

that changes when you go on certain killstreaks

1:15:44

people go crazy for that. Yeah Yeah,

1:15:47

I think I think it would be good. I'll pay

1:15:49

for it. Yeah, like you could give a discount

1:15:51

if you buy both Yeah,

1:15:53

yeah, you can have like a bundle deal. Yeah. Yeah

1:15:56

and keep in mind Yeah,

1:16:02

but you're looking at it like the wrong way.

1:16:04

Because you don't play PvP, right Briar? When

1:16:06

I play Deathly, I play more PvP than

1:16:09

I do PvE. Okay, but I'm

1:16:11

not just crediting. I'm just saying, like, I don't

1:16:13

think your desire is there because, like, you don't

1:16:15

care that... I mean, maybe I'm taking

1:16:17

the words out of your mouth on that one, but, like,

1:16:19

I just... As someone

1:16:21

who's, like, lower than what, TV and PvP

1:16:23

or... Sorry. PvP, I like it. I like

1:16:26

it. I like it. I

1:16:28

just resist monetization, like, after

1:16:30

the additional purchase price at video games

1:16:32

so much. You can't in Destiny. It

1:16:34

is one of the most monetized video games

1:16:36

in the video game industry. In terms

1:16:39

of, like, all the different levels and the different

1:16:41

packs and the dungeon pass and the season pass

1:16:43

and the expansion. And there's so much.

1:16:46

But doubling down on season pass is just,

1:16:48

like... Well, I mean, keep in mind,

1:16:50

you know... I do see where you guys are coming from, but, man... Keep

1:16:53

in mind, the Helldivers, for example,

1:16:56

season pass, Apex season pass... They

1:16:58

have one thing. They have one

1:17:00

thing. Destiny has PvP and PvE.

1:17:02

Helldivers doesn't have PvP. Apex doesn't

1:17:04

have PvE. Two season passes doesn't

1:17:06

make... It doesn't sound ridiculous to

1:17:08

me in that sense, you know? Yeah,

1:17:11

I mean, I do get Briar's point, you know? You're

1:17:13

paying all this money... Of course, of course, of course.

1:17:15

...just to buy the game, et cetera. But if

1:17:18

I'm right about this, like, you don't actually

1:17:20

have to buy all that stuff to play

1:17:22

PvP, right? Unless you want all the guns

1:17:25

and the new guns and stuff. You want

1:17:27

all the extra stuff, yeah, otherwise you just

1:17:29

play. Yeah. Exactly. So it's like you just...

1:17:31

Again, I'm trying to look at this from... We

1:17:33

want three new maps a year, at least, right?

1:17:36

How at the minimum can we just get people to

1:17:38

be like, yeah, I'd be down for that and I'll

1:17:40

give you some money. I will support that. Yeah,

1:17:43

and I'm like... I think it does...

1:17:45

To Briar's point, his reaction is like, I'm already spending

1:17:48

money. Maybe it gets him to not spend money on

1:17:50

other things if he's spending it... But look, keeping

1:17:53

it simple, it's just it's missing,

1:17:55

in my opinion, because I

1:17:57

don't know how else we're going to get more PvP maps. like

1:18:00

they got it done and now I feel

1:18:02

like without them telling us in other words

1:18:05

I have very little faith that it won't be

1:18:07

a very long time again and

1:18:10

we're already wondering if there's going to be

1:18:12

another expansion and how episodes are going to

1:18:14

work so far that's the clarity on the

1:18:16

future maybe they'll surprise

1:18:18

us you know but yeah and

1:18:21

pvp players have proven they're not

1:18:23

going anywhere that's another thing too

1:18:25

you know so it's just like you know

1:18:30

you're just gonna have more discontent because

1:18:32

we're not like folks aren't going anywhere

1:18:35

so like i'd rather just pay

1:18:38

let's just have a space for something that's

1:18:40

fine we're not we're not going anywhere you

1:18:42

know like so so i want some content

1:18:44

you know and i want to feel good

1:18:46

about the game and i want to be

1:18:48

glad that i'm playing it and i want

1:18:51

to have a good mental about playing it

1:18:54

and you know so many folks struggle

1:18:57

with that because we

1:18:59

do love the highs of pvp when

1:19:02

the highs are are hitting yeah

1:19:04

and one of the ways that you can

1:19:07

keep people playing obviously is if you have

1:19:09

that pvp pass it's going to give you

1:19:11

more things to acquire along the

1:19:13

way that you might on a day you might

1:19:15

have otherwise chosen not to log in you'll be

1:19:17

like you know what but i think i'm like

1:19:19

maybe three or four matches away from getting that

1:19:21

new ornament on the season pad but i'll go

1:19:23

and log in you know i mean so

1:19:26

right now pvp players have so

1:19:28

few things to play for other

1:19:30

than their own personal enjoyment yeah

1:19:32

you know so you start

1:19:34

giving some more carrots along

1:19:37

the journey it's i

1:19:39

can only see it helping yeah

1:19:42

and and it's a loop too you get people

1:19:44

to play they end up buying the season pass

1:19:46

or whatnot that gives resources to the devs new

1:19:48

content and then you hook them on the new

1:19:50

content because they're playing for the season pass it's

1:19:52

just it's a loop yeah it's

1:19:54

making a lot of sense i can see a

1:19:57

major backlash though like are you kidding me to

1:19:59

use season pass right prior

1:20:05

TV is gonna say what I'm thinking. What

1:20:07

if it's one season pass and

1:20:09

once you get to like 10

1:20:12

or 20 on the on the 100

1:20:14

track. Yeah, it diverges and you can

1:20:16

shoot love that Love that

1:20:18

I'm gonna go down the PvP path and

1:20:20

you can't double back to the PvE path

1:20:22

until you complete the PvP one I love

1:20:25

you know what if you do something like

1:20:27

that and then It gives

1:20:29

the player they're like I'm gonna buy a season pass for

1:20:31

the game one season pass But

1:20:34

I'm just gonna once I get to that that

1:20:36

breaking point where I have to make a choice

1:20:38

I'm gonna choose the PvP path Well,

1:20:41

I mean what if what if you didn't like that? That's

1:20:44

provocative and I love it I

1:20:48

thought you were gonna say this which is like, okay,

1:20:50

you don't like it Briar But

1:20:52

what is your sort of taken solution? It's

1:20:54

not that I don't like it. I just See

1:20:58

so much pushback from like are you kidding

1:21:00

me? You're gonna charge me more money I

1:21:02

think it's good like me I actually I

1:21:04

mean Brian you've been very like outspoken about

1:21:06

not liking microtransactions ever verse and it's funny

1:21:08

cuz I'm right there with you But I'm

1:21:10

out out. I'm out here like give me

1:21:12

a season pass so I can support three

1:21:14

PvP maps every whatever So I'm

1:21:16

not even saying I don't like the idea like I

1:21:18

kind of do like the idea. I'm just like I

1:21:21

don't know Do

1:21:25

you like blue drink it's blue drink

1:21:28

look I'm a couple margaritas deep

1:21:30

here But

1:21:35

like do you have any other thoughts

1:21:37

on like what you expect from if

1:21:39

you buy I guess you're saying you

1:21:41

buy say Destiny expansion every year maybe

1:21:43

some seasons. What's your expectation if you

1:21:45

want? I have no expectations because I

1:21:47

feel like I've been lied to in

1:21:49

the past I've been told that like

1:21:51

my money is going directly toward like

1:21:53

a certain project And then that

1:21:56

project never comes to pass so I'm like oh, what

1:21:59

the fuck I don't care I don't care what you

1:22:01

say because your words mean nothing. But are

1:22:03

you saying you expect these PVP maps with

1:22:05

what you currently pay and get from the

1:22:07

game already? Is that where you're at? Yeah,

1:22:10

I do. I have an expectation. You think

1:22:12

they're just missing. We shouldn't have to pay

1:22:14

more to support that. They should be there.

1:22:18

Yeah, I suppose so. I do

1:22:20

think that we should get PVP maps once a year. I

1:22:24

think three should be the bare minimum. Yeah.

1:22:27

That's what you're paying in the

1:22:29

community's investing already. I'm okay with

1:22:31

paying more for the expansions, honestly.

1:22:35

It isn't an out of... I mean, it's

1:22:37

not out of pocket because Bungie

1:22:39

is the one that set that

1:22:41

standard to begin with. Every

1:22:43

DLC, they're like, here's three,

1:22:45

five, one, seven new PVP

1:22:47

maps. And so I know a

1:22:49

lot of people like the rag on the PVP community because

1:22:52

they're so whining they're not getting their maps. It's like, listen,

1:22:54

that's not something that... That's not an

1:22:56

expectation we impose on Bungie. That's

1:22:58

an expectation that they... That's a standard

1:23:00

they set over years

1:23:02

of development and then suddenly

1:23:04

turn the faucet off with no warning and

1:23:08

no communication. And so I

1:23:12

think they handled that side of

1:23:14

that relationship very poorly, quite honestly.

1:23:16

Definitely. Yeah, they did. I'm

1:23:18

like... I can't keep up with

1:23:20

that. I'd love to see comparison with what other

1:23:23

games do, whether they're paid for, but how often

1:23:25

do we tend to see map

1:23:27

releases from other companies? How many years does

1:23:29

it tend to take? And

1:23:32

like, how far out of line are they? We

1:23:34

are in unprecedented territory

1:23:36

with Dusty. How

1:23:40

long has that game been supported that has... Last

1:23:43

PVE PVP and... Yeah. I'm

1:23:47

not a WoW expert, but there's something going

1:23:49

on there with those two things. Very different

1:23:51

game. Yeah. Yeah,

1:23:53

no, you're right. Like

1:23:56

with COD, if you talk about Call of

1:23:58

Duty... You

1:24:01

know, you get a new game every

1:24:03

year, but it feels almost like a

1:24:05

similar experience where like if

1:24:07

I'm just a PvP guy in cod, like

1:24:10

I expect like a certain number of maps,

1:24:12

a certain number of multiplayer

1:24:14

innovations, a certain number of game modes

1:24:16

per year for my $60. And

1:24:19

I spent a lot more than $60 on Destiny. Yeah,

1:24:22

yeah. The funny thing that caused a good

1:24:24

one to bring up, but it's like, I

1:24:27

think it's safe to say you pretty much

1:24:29

are most people are paying for PvP maps

1:24:32

and guns, etc. And

1:24:34

then they know they get a campaign with it is kind of like

1:24:36

a 100% most

1:24:38

people. Yeah, it's quite awful. Those

1:24:41

zombie crazies. Yeah,

1:24:44

yeah. And like sometimes you get a

1:24:46

zombies mode. Yeah. And then now battle

1:24:48

royale's free. Yeah, it's it's hard to

1:24:50

find a direct. MMO

1:24:52

esque comparison. But

1:24:55

anyway, it needs to be done. And I

1:24:57

think we can all agree. I mean, I would say like, I

1:24:59

don't know what the number is, but I do feel like three

1:25:01

every 12 to 15 months.

1:25:06

I'll even stretch it that far because like

1:25:08

it's like if you did that over the

1:25:10

last 10 years, I mean, Jesus, we'd have

1:25:12

30 some math. Yeah.

1:25:18

So I don't know what the number is,

1:25:20

but in three years, that kind of

1:25:22

where you guys had landed regardless of how it's all.

1:25:24

Two to three a year, I think it would

1:25:27

keep people pretty appeased. Two

1:25:31

to three a year, I think minimum

1:25:34

plus new game modes. Well,

1:25:37

they've not been pumped. Yeah, they've

1:25:40

not been lacking in that department.

1:25:42

They're just a lot different modes.

1:25:45

Yeah, but don't get me started on that because

1:25:47

actually that's the one reason why I don't, like I said,

1:25:50

play a lot of PvP. It's

1:25:52

a lot of new abilities and builds and stuff

1:25:54

like that. But like mode wise, I know

1:25:57

they're trying to figure out what people like best, and

1:25:59

they certainly do. done a lot of work there, a lot

1:26:01

of balance work, etc. But I bring

1:26:03

up stuff like the gun game, you know, and that

1:26:06

what it's called in Call of Duty. Yeah, that's correct. Apex

1:26:09

was called. They stole it. Same

1:26:11

thing. Yeah, what they called it.

1:26:13

But it was bought an apex.

1:26:15

Yeah, we brought it

1:26:18

up. Like imagine that you're just upgrading between

1:26:20

like exotic guns, you know, like getting your,

1:26:22

you know, it's because it was a

1:26:24

fast paced arena shooter. That's why I

1:26:27

think that's why I like the gun

1:26:29

game and Apex because no one makes

1:26:31

those games anymore. Yeah, they may have

1:26:33

tactical flow. Yeah. But anyway, we

1:26:35

are. You know, infinite

1:26:38

a lot and same thing like they got

1:26:40

a lot going on from a modes perspective.

1:26:42

So I just feel like Destiny 2 is

1:26:44

very lacking there, which is why

1:26:46

it hasn't appealed to me. So they need that

1:26:48

to new maps are clearly not enough for me.

1:26:50

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, modes

1:26:52

is definitely something that has come up, you

1:26:55

know, quite often. Over the last several years.

1:26:57

So, so I think, you know, maps modes

1:26:59

kind of go hand in hand, all the

1:27:01

expectation wheel. Year

1:27:03

after year, I just need something new.

1:27:07

Okay. That's what I need. You know, there's so

1:27:09

much competition for buying not

1:27:11

even my game in dollar, but my game an hour, you

1:27:14

know, like, I want

1:27:16

to feel something new. I don't feel excited about something new.

1:27:19

And I'm so happy. Destiny has new

1:27:22

maps. So happy. But

1:27:24

they need to keep that consistency up. They

1:27:27

need to pump those numbers. They're

1:27:29

rookie numbers. Rookie numbers. Do

1:27:33

you guys agree that they

1:27:35

need a roadmap in the near future? I'd

1:27:37

say the next several months for

1:27:40

this because I mean, this problem. We,

1:27:42

we know that we're going to be finding

1:27:44

out more about episodes as we get closer

1:27:47

to like, you know,

1:27:49

final shape. Like they've talked about that. But

1:27:51

for PVP roadmap. Yeah,

1:27:53

I think they would have to address it somewhere.

1:27:57

Like do you plan on doing this ever again? Is

1:28:00

it once a year? Is it once every two

1:28:03

years? What are we – what are you thinking? It

1:28:05

feels like there's a confidence problem is what I'm saying. Don't

1:28:08

you think that they have to do it? I

1:28:11

do. I don't care. Yeah,

1:28:14

well, personally, I definitely do care myself. Yeah.

1:28:20

Whether it's something that makes

1:28:23

sense or not, there's so

1:28:25

many things historically over the

1:28:27

last several years that make

1:28:29

sense to benefit the community, to benefit

1:28:31

the game, that haven't

1:28:34

necessarily happened. Then, of

1:28:36

course, like we've all been saying and probably

1:28:38

are going to lean into pretty soon, just

1:28:40

what's been happening in the wider gaming industry

1:28:42

in general and how that

1:28:44

puts pressure on the decision-making

1:28:46

from top down. So I

1:28:51

think that's two different questions, basically. Communication

1:28:53

is very good, I would say. Communication

1:28:56

is always very, very nice to have.

1:28:59

And I think Bungie's been doing a better

1:29:01

job on socials with communication just across the

1:29:03

board. But I would hope that they would

1:29:06

also want to include good communication with their

1:29:08

PvP player base. Now that we've got new

1:29:10

maps, what can you expect going forward? I

1:29:12

think that would be important

1:29:15

to do that at some point. Agreed. I

1:29:17

mean, my take on that was because I

1:29:19

feel like players are more likely to come

1:29:21

back if you're like, wait, this wasn't just

1:29:23

a Hail Mary. That's just my

1:29:25

take, is why I brought it up. TV,

1:29:28

we didn't hear from you on that. You

1:29:31

feel just comfortable now that it's out there? You're

1:29:33

like, no, I'm good for a long while. Or

1:29:35

you're like, please give me a plan. I

1:29:38

mean, like Woz said,

1:29:41

communication is always a good thing.

1:29:43

I certainly would not be upset

1:29:45

to hear a full roadmap, lay

1:29:48

down a new expectation because

1:29:50

that's what I want. I

1:29:52

just want to know what the new expectation is so

1:29:55

that we can get on board with it and

1:29:58

give feedback if we need to. But

1:30:00

I think the new map pack is

1:30:02

is gonna dive people over for at

1:30:04

least a little while. Yeah Yeah,

1:30:07

I I just feel it's a good time

1:30:09

to do it before this like high

1:30:12

of like, whoo. Yeah Those

1:30:14

are good. People are happy before you

1:30:16

get back into like the shattered confidence

1:30:19

And again, that's my take but

1:30:21

I feel like the pvp Community

1:30:23

confidence is shattered that they don't

1:30:25

they're like happy that they got it But I

1:30:27

think if you pull most of them, they're like,

1:30:29

oh, I don't know what they're doing with pvp.

1:30:31

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1:32:29

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1:32:33

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1:32:37

combinations, you know, with the exotic class items. So

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that first column, second column, you can expect it

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1:32:46

you know, you could get rapid hits in moment

1:32:48

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1:32:50

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1:32:54

Yeah, it looks very cool. They gave

1:32:56

us a Prismatic demo per class to

1:32:58

check out. Correct. And

1:33:01

then listed yet two columns of perks on these

1:33:03

new exotic. Which one did you guys like the

1:33:05

most, by the way, out of the like

1:33:08

the Warlock Hunter and Titan? Did

1:33:10

you guys check out the videos? Well, I got

1:33:12

to say Hunter, but that new super

1:33:14

looks really fun. Yeah.

1:33:17

That new super looks very, very fun. Yeah.

1:33:20

Like a blinking arc one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:33:24

I'm excited to try that. I mean, so just. Well,

1:33:26

as we pumped is the flaming turret, the mortar like,

1:33:29

yeah, that's going to go over

1:33:39

Titan barricades. I know. I

1:33:41

know. Yeah, it does. Yeah. But

1:33:44

keep in mind that that new like

1:33:46

Tempest strike, like something combo, you know,

1:33:48

on arc is going to go over

1:33:50

Titan barricades as well. Yeah. And

1:33:53

then you're going to go in the air and do a little spin. Exactly.

1:33:56

Yeah. When I was looking at the video, it looked

1:33:58

like you did the normal Tempest strike. It took the melee, but it also. For

1:34:00

the second part it took the Dodge so

1:34:03

it looks like it will be like a wombo

1:34:05

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stuff was bringing up before

1:34:23

probably about the free

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content right We know that's right

1:34:28

through beyond light Yeah,

1:34:30

they talked about the pantheon a little bit. Oh,

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you know what? Here's here's the most important other

1:34:34

thing from the 12 was so first of all

1:34:36

zero hour is next week And

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then there's something that's really important is from

1:34:42

May 7th through June 3rd You're

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gonna get a guaranteed deep site weapon

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drop upon completion of seasonal activities so

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you can go Yeah,

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each day each day. Yep So

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you can go into your defiant battleground

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the mission Avalon deep dive salvage like

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every day and get a red border

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to fill Out those red borders before

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this goes. They're trying to get us

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like our Everything

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at you know everything at the

1:35:11

fridge so yeah, yeah we are

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I think we're in for it I

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Think that a seasonal team that had two or

1:35:21

three extra months to make sure to

1:35:23

throw as much as possible at the bridge But

1:35:25

no I mean it it's it's a lot of

1:35:27

stuff happening ahead of the final shape Which they're

1:35:29

like power in a sub so for you like

1:35:32

they're giving us every opportunity to get as

1:35:34

powerful as we can And then as

1:35:37

we were in the top like we're gonna get

1:35:39

even more powerful Mm-hmm

1:35:42

Like We

1:35:46

all know I'm just gonna use arbalest and

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fall the entire thing and like you know

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1:35:57

outbreak perfected That's

1:36:00

a banger gun. I love that thing. It's a good gun.

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It's a good gun. It was a joke that like you'll

1:36:04

be fine if you've played Destiny. You could use

1:36:06

that, but that's the nice part. I think you

1:36:08

could use a lot of old stuff. You'll

1:36:10

be fine, but they are throwing a lot of cool new stuff

1:36:12

to get you in and get the numbers up

1:36:14

is really what it's about. Oh, the only

1:36:16

the other thing was with the whole

1:36:19

prismatic and the class item stuff. You're going to

1:36:21

be able to get it after the raid in

1:36:23

week two, and it's going to come from its

1:36:25

own activity that they haven't told us what it

1:36:27

is yet. So there's a special

1:36:29

activity for the class, the exotic class

1:36:31

items. It's going to be

1:36:34

a game. It's the third. It's going to

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be a game. It's a game. It

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is. It's game.

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1:36:50

I know the level. But you

1:36:52

get a guaranteed random roll each time

1:36:54

you complete it. That's the whole point

1:36:56

of these exotic class items. And

1:36:59

they only work when you're using prismatic

1:37:01

prismatic. Yeah. Yeah. But farmable from day

1:37:03

from day one on that drop of

1:37:05

when it releases. And I think it

1:37:07

releases the second week. The mechanic is

1:37:09

second week. Yeah. Yeah. When the raid

1:37:11

is complete. Correct. Yeah. They said when

1:37:13

the raid is complete second week, which

1:37:15

made me go. It's not going to

1:37:18

be completed in one. Right. So

1:37:20

what are you saying? But yeah.

1:37:24

But OK, so that the free expansion content all

1:37:26

the way up through which queen. But if you're

1:37:28

on PlayStation Plus, I believe you can get life

1:37:30

ball. Pretty you can get life

1:37:32

ball. Yeah. Very cool. To

1:37:34

try that stuff if you haven't. So if you're on PlayStation,

1:37:36

you can you can get everything. But

1:37:40

yeah, I think that was most of the twab

1:37:42

update. Right. Yeah. Xbox.

1:37:47

Yeah. Fran, what's your boy? We

1:37:49

got like 15 minutes left. Are you sure?

1:37:51

When you say your boy, you're talking about.

1:37:55

Oh, I'm talking about that friend. Or

1:37:57

do we? But

1:38:01

no, I don't know why you're hearing me. You think

1:38:03

Fran's special friend? I'm Fran's Philly

1:38:05

friend. Oh. Or

1:38:07

maybe Fran's friend is Mr. Booty. Recently

1:38:10

is in Fallout, the TV series.

1:38:14

But yeah, I mean, the big news was

1:38:16

obviously that Microsoft, maybe it's because I wrote

1:38:18

like a big Twitter thing about it, might

1:38:20

be why you say this. But yeah, if

1:38:23

you haven't heard the news, you've probably heard

1:38:25

by now, Microsoft and Bethesda, they

1:38:28

have closed several revered studios.

1:38:30

They've closed Arkane Austin,

1:38:32

who are behind Prey and of

1:38:34

course, most recently Redfall, Studio

1:38:37

Tango Game Works, who made Hi-Fi

1:38:39

Rush, and they also made the

1:38:41

open world Ghostfire Tokyo, Alpha

1:38:44

Dog Studios, and Roundhouse Games. And

1:38:47

then they said they need more games like... So

1:38:50

I have that. So they've

1:38:53

been doing town halls to talk to

1:38:55

press, because people are like, you closed

1:38:58

Tango Game Works, the people who made

1:39:00

the best game for Xbox, like of

1:39:02

last year and won a lot

1:39:05

of awards. And so they

1:39:07

were talking to Matt Booty, and

1:39:09

he said, we need smaller games

1:39:11

that give us prestige and awards.

1:39:14

And another comment was,

1:39:17

they were showing us games that

1:39:19

wouldn't be ready for years. So everyone's just

1:39:21

like, what are you talking about?

1:39:24

First of all, Tango Game Works gave you a game

1:39:26

that was a smaller game that gave you prestige and

1:39:28

awards. Second of all, games take longer

1:39:30

than a couple of years to make. So very

1:39:34

confusing. If I read it correctly

1:39:36

too, they had just pitched the

1:39:38

sequel as well to Hi-Fi Rush.

1:39:42

They had pitched new games to Xbox, yeah, and

1:39:44

they were like, this is going to

1:39:46

take two years? That's crazy. No. Obviously,

1:39:50

that's not what happened, though, right? And I'm

1:39:52

not excusing it. I

1:39:54

just would point out it's extremely complicated. And

1:39:57

like the end of the day, I break it down

1:39:59

more in the like. Like their

1:40:01

Xbox, their goal is cloud,

1:40:03

AI, Microsoft, money, money, money.

1:40:05

They made some $70 billion

1:40:08

in net income

1:40:11

in 2020. Three,

1:40:13

I believe, that's a valued trillion dollar

1:40:15

company. But my point is like, they're

1:40:18

looking at Call of Duty, fallout.

1:40:20

And so to trade off like maybe a

1:40:22

high five rush and a new evil within

1:40:24

and by the way, Ninja, McCommy, McCommy left

1:40:26

the studio a prey. Like meaning this is

1:40:28

one of many things that they'll be, oh,

1:40:31

I'll just spend all that money on a

1:40:33

new Call of Duty spinoff or a new

1:40:35

fallout or like, and I'm not saying we

1:40:37

know is happening. And by

1:40:40

them saying, but we also do need games like high

1:40:42

five rush. I don't think that is untrue

1:40:44

at all. You know, and you'll see that.

1:40:46

But like, it is hard

1:40:48

to understand why are you gutting these studios,

1:40:50

but we don't have all

1:40:52

that info. I totally disagree with it for

1:40:55

just the finish the point. I disagree.

1:40:57

The talent and as complicated as

1:41:00

maybe it feels like they didn't give them enough

1:41:02

time given what's happened

1:41:04

here. And that's what's annoying from a trillion

1:41:06

dollar company. Yeah. So I

1:41:08

think the thing that is getting a lot

1:41:10