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Hi, I'm here with Isaac Butler, a
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cultural critic and historian who you may remember
0:41
from the episode we did about method acting back
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in 2022. Hey, Willa. Isaac,
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I would really like you to tell us about this art exhibition
0:49
that was put on in the late 1990s in Los
0:51
Angeles that was full of cheeky, funny,
0:53
slightly mysterious work that you wouldn't necessarily
0:56
expect to see in an art museum. Sure.
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Yeah. So let me just describe a
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few of the pieces for you. There was a pool
1:03
float, but instead of a normal
1:06
pool float, it looked like a sperm about
1:08
to fertilize an egg. There was
1:10
a clock where all the numbers
1:13
on the clock have been replaced with images of
1:15
bacteria and viruses. There
1:17
was a quilt, but the pattern on the
1:20
quilt was the chemical formula for
1:22
the abortion pill. It was it was a
1:24
lot of work like that.
1:26
I have to confess that I find this all like
1:28
cool and delightful and
1:31
I kind of covet it. Like I would put
1:33
that clock in my house and I certainly
1:36
wish that I could have seen the show.
1:37
Yeah. But, you know, the amazing thing
1:40
is, is that you probably did
1:42
actually see this work. And so did
1:44
millions of Americans. This
1:47
is a story that I learned about while I was
1:49
researching the new book I'm working on, which takes
1:51
place in the art world in the 80s and 90s. All
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of this work was masterminded by an
1:56
artist named Mel Chin. And to
1:58
give you a sense of what Mel's like.
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When I asked him where he was in his career when he started
2:02
doing this, this is what he said. Well,
2:05
my career, I don't think about
2:07
my art making and practice
2:10
as a career. Mel is being very
2:12
modest here. He is a conceptual artist
2:14
known for everything from traditional paintings
2:16
to giant landscape art. And
2:19
he has also won a MacArthur Genius
2:21
Grant. And back in the early 1990s,
2:24
he was commissioned to take part in that show
2:26
we mentioned earlier. It was called
2:28
Uncommon Sense, and it was a group
2:30
show at the Museum of Contemporary Art
2:33
where the museum commissioned artists to
2:35
create work that upended the traditional
2:37
relationship between artists and spectators.
2:40
And Mel was thinking about this commission
2:42
and how to make something that might also
2:44
speak to Los Angeles when
2:47
he was on an airplane.
2:48
And I remember looking out the window,
2:50
it might have been over Kansas or some
2:53
Midwestern state, and
2:56
the lights were on. I thought
2:58
it was to think LA is in the air. It's
3:01
through microwave transmission. And
3:04
it's through the television that's on down there.
3:10
Television made in LA was
3:13
in the atmosphere, and it was being beamed
3:15
down to Kansas and the rest of the country
3:17
too. What if you could take those microwave
3:20
transmissions, those little bits
3:22
of television, those pieces of LA, and
3:25
harness them to introduce people
3:27
to new art and ideas?
3:31
He was still thinking about all of this when he got home, and
3:33
when he walked in the door, his
3:35
wife was watching TV. And
3:39
there was a huge blonde head,
3:41
a
3:42
blonde haired head in
3:44
the middle of the screen, and
3:46
I think she said, that's Heather
3:48
Locklear. Sorry, Menace. You're fired.
3:51
You are
3:51
a pathetic, sick excuse for a man. And
3:53
if my mother wants you so badly, she can have you and all
3:55
the crap that comes with you. She moved her
3:57
head, and there was a painting
3:59
behind it.
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I said, that's it.
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It will be Melrose Place.
4:12
This is Decoder Ring. I'm Willa
4:14
Paskin.
4:16
In the mid-1990s, a collective of roughly 100
4:19
artists would spend three years smuggling
4:21
sperm floats, viral clocks, and dozens
4:23
of other pieces of provocative art onto
4:26
the set of the hit primetime soap opera
4:28
Melrose Place. They called themselves
4:30
the Gala Committee and they called their
4:32
project in the name of the
4:35
place. Today, Isaac Butler
4:37
is going to tell the story of this unlikely
4:40
art installation, a tremendous
4:43
feat of art hijinks that
4:45
hit right up against the limitations
4:48
of mass media to get us
4:50
to see what's right in front of our faces.
4:53
So today on Decoder Ring, how
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did Melrose Place become the
4:58
home of hundreds of pieces
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of contemporary
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in 1994.
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What he wanted to do was something like an art heist,
6:05
but in reverse. Instead of stealing
6:07
art from a museum, he wanted
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to smuggle art into television.
6:15
Now in any good heist movie, the first thing you need
6:17
to do is assemble your crew. You need
6:19
a demolition guy, a pickpocket, an
6:21
actor, an electronics expert, and so on.
6:24
Mel, well, he didn't really have any
6:26
of that. What he had instead were
6:28
students, a lot of students.
6:31
Mel was teaching both at CalArts in Los Angeles
6:34
and at the University of Georgia in Athens.
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He introduced the concept of the project in class
6:40
the day after Halloween, which it turns
6:42
out the CalArts crew took very
6:44
seriously. People still had
6:46
blood dripping from their mouths. It
6:49
was a motley crew and I introduced
6:51
the concept and people
6:54
thought I was kidding. We had just had our Halloween
6:57
party, which was legendary at CalArts.
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John LaPointe was a student of Mel's. Then
7:02
met this crazy dude who was all very
7:04
serious in photos and wearing gray suits
7:06
and stuff and he was kind
7:09
of a crazy son of a bitch. After
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Mel explained the idea, John, who was
7:16
one of the first to join the project, was instantly
7:19
intrigued. His mind started to
7:21
whirr. How would one, you
7:24
know, insert art? What would you make
7:26
in the first, what would you talk about? What would you do if you had access?
7:28
What would you do? They
7:30
started trying to figure all this out. First,
7:33
they gave themselves a name, the Gala Committee,
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the G.A. for Georgia, the L.A.
7:38
for Los Angeles, both of the places where
7:40
Mel was teaching. Second, they
7:42
decided how it would be organized, non-hierarchically.
7:46
It couldn't just be the Mel Chin
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Show. And third, they
7:51
also made a decision about how the committee
7:53
would operate. The HICE crew would have to
7:55
do it secretly. We have to keep it
7:57
quiet. We have to. Uh,
8:00
be careful. The reason
8:02
they wanted to keep it under wraps had to
8:04
do with their inspirations, which also
8:07
used stealth to their advantage. One
8:09
was something as old as the soap operas
8:12
themselves. The
8:19
television is a modern etching
8:21
tool, etching into our
8:23
brains products. Cause that's
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what a soap opera is. It was invented
8:28
to sell product and place things
8:30
appropriately in our minds. The
8:33
soap opera got its name way back in
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the 1930s and forties when they were seen
8:37
as vehicles for companies to sell household
8:40
products to homemakers. By
8:42
the time Melrose place was on the air, product
8:44
placement was a fixture of American television
8:47
and movies. But instead
8:49
of announcing itself the way it did in the early
8:51
days of television, product placement
8:54
in the 1990s relied on subtlety. Instead
8:57
of saying a show was brought to you by Coca-Cola,
9:00
you would just see your favorite characters drink
9:02
Coca-Cola. The gala committee
9:04
wanted to use this technique, but to place
9:07
art concepts instead of products. A
9:11
second inspiration was an anti-capitalist
9:13
art making strategy called culture
9:15
jamming. John LaPointe. There were lots
9:17
of instances of people using
9:20
early mass communication tools or group
9:22
communication tools to playfully
9:25
screw with popular culture.
9:27
And, uh,
9:28
you know, this was pre-internet day. So what else
9:30
are you going to do? Right? Culture jamming was a
9:32
leftist practice of pranksterism that
9:35
used impish humor to critique the systems
9:37
of big business and social conservatism
9:40
that have become intertwined during the Reagan
9:42
administration. One of the most
9:44
famous examples was something called the
9:46
Barbie Liberation Organization,
9:49
in which artists surreptitiously
9:51
swapped the voice boxes on talking
9:53
Barbies and GI Joes. And on Christmas
9:56
morning, talking Barbies,
9:58
like, let's go kill them. And GI Joe
10:00
was like, you know, I like baking. And
10:02
he made national news. In press releases,
10:05
the group claims to have gotten 300
10:08
altered Barbies and GI Joes
10:10
onto store shelves in 43 states. Another
10:15
inspiration was less whimsical, viruses.
10:18
At the time, the idea of virality
10:21
was everywhere. With the advent
10:23
of the internet, hackers and computer
10:25
viruses were taking over the public
10:27
imagination. And the phrase internet
10:30
meme was coined in 1993
10:32
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10:34
that ideas were spreading. But
10:37
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10:39
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10:41
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10:44
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10:47
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and the tragedy. We wanted to
10:52
do a creative response. The
10:55
notion was that the soap opera would be the host,
10:57
the gala committee would be the virus and
11:00
their art was the RNA, transforming
11:02
the show into a carrier for new ideas.
11:05
So now the gala committee had
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its concept, its team and
11:11
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The very reason that the Gala Committee wanted
13:09
to place their art on Melrose Place was
13:11
also exactly the reason doing so seemed
13:14
so unlikely. Melrose
13:16
Place was a huge, huge
13:18
hit. Emily Nussbaum is a writer
13:21
at The New Yorker and a Pulitzer Prize-winning
13:23
TV critic. It was a nighttime soap opera,
13:26
but it absolutely hit
13:28
it big at that moment. Hitting it
13:30
big also meant something different then than
13:32
it does now. Back then, there
13:34
were only four TV networks, and one of
13:36
them was an upstart that had only launched
13:38
in 1986 called Fox.
13:42
Fox tried to set itself apart by being
13:44
younger and more provocative than the three
13:46
established networks. It aired shows
13:48
like The Simpsons, Married with Children, and
13:51
Beverly Hills, 90210.
13:52
Hey,
13:55
John. Hey, Kelly. I
13:58
don't know if you're just talking.
15:59
And this woman, she's
16:03
a dangerous prude. But
16:06
then Rita, she's the strong one, she
16:08
protects us from her. Have you ever
16:10
read the book of Sibyl? At its peak, Melrose
16:13
was watched by nearly 15 million
16:15
people. In real time. It
16:18
was the kind of show for which there were weekly
16:20
viewing parties. Everyone seemed
16:22
to be watching it. From supporting characters
16:24
on Seinfeld to the slackers of reality bites.
16:27
Melrose played as a really
16:29
good show.
16:29
And
16:58
then disappearing, I believe for like 10 or 12
17:00
episodes. And then coming
17:02
back from the dead.
17:05
You silly.
17:07
You want to touch me to make sure I'm real? What's
17:10
going on? Is that Kimberly? Why
17:12
is she back? What's happening? And then she walks
17:15
into the bathroom and she has this beautiful
17:17
red hair. And she pulls off
17:19
her wig. This is very dramatic.
17:22
She takes her fingers and pulls it off her. And she
17:24
has a shaved head and a
17:26
huge, extremely dramatic scar
17:28
on the side.
17:32
I was at a party with other people and people just
17:35
like screamed with delight.
17:38
Like, you know, we laughed, but we gasped.
17:41
I mean, it was, which is the kind of laughing
17:44
and gasping at the same time is exactly
17:47
the reaction that makes a prime time
17:49
soap a hit.
17:51
One thing Melrose was not, however,
17:54
was especially political. The closest
17:56
they got to any kind of political statement
17:59
was a character named. Matt, who is gay
18:01
and out of the closet, and not
18:04
much else. Is that kind of gay? Yeah,
18:06
what about it? The small thing I die,
18:09
I'm just not used to seeing somebody so upfront about
18:11
it. Oh gosh, I'm late for surgery, man. Matt,
18:13
the gay character who rarely has a boyfriend
18:16
and barely has a personality, is
18:18
a perfect summation of the show's point
18:20
of view. Just daring enough
18:22
to get attention, but not enough to actually
18:25
risk turning off viewers.
18:27
So Melrose was not only a gargantuan
18:29
rating success overseen by a powerful
18:32
name brand producer, it was politically
18:34
pretty timid. And the gala committee's
18:36
whole project was explicitly, if
18:39
slightly, political. But
18:41
the committee was undeterred, as in any
18:43
good heist they just needed an inside
18:46
man. Or, as it turned out,
18:49
an inside woman. We were watching Melrose Place,
18:51
and we noticed in the credits
18:54
the name Devers Siegel came up as the set
18:56
decorator. On La Pointe, one of the earliest
18:58
members of the gala committee, again. We
19:01
grabbed the phone book, and lo and behold, Devers
19:03
Siegel was listed.
19:04
So we called Devers Siegel.
19:06
He
19:07
called me a few times,
19:09
and I ignored him.
19:11
Devers Siegel now goes by Devers
19:13
Siegel Constantino. We connected
19:16
on a spotty telephone line to talk about
19:18
her time at Melrose. She told
19:20
me that when she finally stopped ignoring Melchin's
19:22
calls, it turned out the project's politics,
19:25
its interest in product placement and virality
19:28
were right up her alley. Can
19:30
you tell me about that?
19:31
Well, I was very leftist, active
19:34
person. I felt that
19:37
Melrose Place was not
19:40
in line with my belief.
19:42
And so instead of saying no to this wacky
19:45
project, she said, free art, and
19:47
I don't have to pay royalties for it, and it looks
19:49
interesting, and it's left wing, bring
19:53
it. Alright, this just got a little weird and real.
19:55
It was like, oh shit.
22:02
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thought morning was your favorite time. Any
22:08
morning but this one. During
22:11
this episode, Lothario Dr. Peter
22:13
Barnes and his current lover wake up
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in his apartment and if you
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see that the pattern on his sheets is
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the time, the FCC wouldn't allow unrolled
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LaPointe again. That was the moon landing,
22:32
as I like to call it. That was the first, like, oh
22:34
my God, it actually is happening.
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Safety sheets was important because until
22:41
then, it wasn't totally clear to the gala
22:43
committee what was happening. They
22:45
sent the pieces off, but they didn't know how
22:48
or if they would be used until they
22:50
saw them show up on television. And we
22:52
would gather in a bar and had a pizza joint
22:54
and we'd watch the show. It largely
22:57
was hit or miss. It largely was miss
22:59
because you never quite knew what
23:02
would end up on the cutting room floor. And
23:04
lots of pieces did. Even the
23:06
ones that made it onto TV, like the viral
23:08
clock and the sperm pool float, were pretty
23:10
hard to see. But several months
23:12
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on Melrose Place worked for. The
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gala committee often designed posters
23:36
that represented D&D's work. Total
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23:47
you may remember these. They all show a
23:49
bottle of Absolute Vodka, but with some
23:51
variation to it, that was then reflected
23:53
in the ad's text. Like a bottle
23:55
would be drawn by Keith Haring and say, Absolute
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Haring underneath it. or it would have
24:00
a halo over it with the slogan, absolute
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perfection. The gala committee's
24:05
version, well, it was an
24:07
aerial photograph of the wreckage of the Oklahoma
24:10
city bombing, which at that point was
24:12
the largest and deadliest terrorist attack
24:14
on US soil. And it had happened
24:17
less than a year earlier. The
24:19
committee took that photograph and
24:21
photoshopped it to be in the shape of a liquor
24:23
bottle with the slogan, total
24:26
proof underneath it. This was the
24:28
stealth culture jamming we're hacking, basically
24:30
at this point. And like, tihi-hi,
24:32
they don't know what we're doing. Total proof
24:35
was the gala committee at its culture jammiest,
24:38
a provocative spit take on a popular
24:40
ad campaign highlighting how capitalism
24:43
can commodify anything. But
24:46
unlike the other gala committee work to this
24:48
point, total proof did not go
24:50
unnoticed by the powers that be at
24:52
Melrose Place.
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writer and executive producer on Melrose Place.
26:28
Deborah came to me with that and said, well,
26:31
you're going to hear about this. And this is why I did
26:33
it. And shoot, I
26:35
was really enthusiastic.
26:37
It turns out that prior to being
26:39
a writer for television, Frank South was
26:41
actually a performance artist who himself
26:44
had been part of a collective running
26:46
a gallery and performance space in downtown
26:48
New York. When Deborah
26:51
told him about the project, not only was
26:53
he down to let the Total Proof poster appear
26:55
on air, he was down to meet with Mel
26:57
Chin. They had lunch, hit
26:59
it off, and Frank decided to loop
27:02
the gala committee into the production process
27:04
of the show, though not his
27:06
boss, the show's mastermind, Aaron
27:09
Spelling. I always intended to tell Aaron
27:11
about it,
27:12
you know, what I was doing. But at one
27:14
point I decided not to because
27:16
it was getting so
27:18
integral.
27:19
You know, I just like that old thing, you
27:21
know, apologize, don't ask permission.
27:27
Everything immediately got more
27:29
collaborative. Melrose Place's production
27:31
team became so intertwined with the project
27:34
that they would eventually be added to the official
27:36
list of gala committee members. The
27:38
project also got more daring, pointed
27:41
and ambitious. The artists knew
27:44
their work would air and they could help implement
27:46
on-site installations. So
27:48
for example, the committee went to the set
27:51
of shooters, the bar where the characters
27:53
drink and replaced all the labels
27:55
on the alcohol bottles with text
27:57
relating the history of agribusiness, alcohol,
28:00
and slavery in America. They
28:02
designed an ad campaign for the character Billy
28:05
called Family Values that featured
28:07
silhouettes of same-sex couples with children.
28:10
Building off of the success of Safety Sheets,
28:12
they created that quilt we talked about earlier,
28:15
the one with the chemical formula for the abortion
28:17
pill printed on it at a time when reproductive
28:19
choice was rarely discussed on TV. Gala
28:23
committee member Constance Penley. For
28:25
two entire
28:26
episodes, we had Allison,
28:28
who was confined to her home with
28:31
a difficult pregnancy, just
28:33
be draped in this
28:36
beautiful quilt. No arguments.
28:39
We're supposed to be resting and taking care of our kid. Everything
28:42
else is secondary. None of the doctors are,
28:44
not mine. You're right. I
28:47
know.
28:47
So that was our way
28:50
to
28:51
be able to get speech
28:52
about reproductive choice
28:54
back onto network television.
28:59
One of their most audacious pieces, Food
29:01
for Thought hid in the most unlikely
29:04
and ubiquitous of places. And
29:06
what about the Chinese takeout bags? Can you talk
29:08
a little bit about that? Because knowing
29:11
of the reruns and its worldwide
29:14
syndication and distribution, it
29:16
did not have to be limited
29:19
to English-speaking language. And
29:21
so they wrote provocative phrases in
29:23
Mandarin on takeout containers. On
29:27
one, they put the Chinese character for turmoil
29:29
that had been used to describe the Tiananmen Square
29:31
protests next to the character
29:33
for human rights. On another, they
29:35
wrote Stolen Artifacts National
29:38
Treasure, a reference to colonial looting.
29:41
You know, a billion people could read Chinese. The
29:43
idea was having that power to
29:46
speak to someone, just through
29:48
a casual viewing of a show and
29:50
say, wait a minute, I read Chinese.
29:52
And that's a message that is
29:54
not even allowed.
30:00
Eventually, the committee was even asked
30:02
to help flesh out the character of Samantha,
30:05
who's an artist on Melrose Place. Ah,
30:08
it's the painting I gave Craig! You
30:12
steal it, do you? Of
30:14
course not.
30:15
15 of the women
30:17
who worked on the gala committee were
30:20
flown to Grand Arts in
30:22
Kansas City to be able to
30:24
brainstorm this
30:27
new character, but also
30:29
to
30:30
create her artwork.
30:32
Samantha's brightly colored art,
30:35
which was created by gala committee members,
30:37
referenced the sunny pools and California
30:40
landscapes of David Hockney, but
30:42
also contained a hidden darkness,
30:45
the ghostly echo of the tragic
30:47
histories of Los Angeles.
30:49
We made our locations be places
30:51
where horrific violence
30:54
had occurred.
30:55
You know, locations where the Manson
30:58
murders occurred, the
31:00
Ambassador Hotel where Robert F. Kennedy
31:02
was assassinated.
31:04
Together, the production staff and
31:06
the gala committee had created dozens
31:08
of covert works of art and hidden
31:10
them in plain sight. Other popular
31:13
primetime entertainment wasn't showing unrolled
31:15
condoms on television or nodding
31:17
at abortion or alluding to the legacy
31:20
of slavery, but a group of scrappy
31:22
artists and a pop cultural phenomenon
31:24
did and reached an audience
31:27
of millions and millions of
31:29
people. The only wrinkle
31:31
was... no one watching
31:34
seems to have really seen it. After
31:43
placing over a hundred pieces of art on
31:45
Melrose Place over the course of three seasons,
31:48
it finally came time for the gala
31:50
committee to show the world what they had been up
31:52
to. In March of 1997, In
31:55
the Name of the Place opened as part of
31:57
the Museum of Contemporary Art's Common
32:00
Sense exhibit. They weren't the only
32:03
ones with wild ideas about how to resink
32:05
the museum show. Karen Finley had
32:08
live nude drawing classes
32:11
going on and Carlson and Marilyn
32:13
Strom had a rodeo with a
32:15
live horse in the middle of the galleries.
32:19
Tom Finkelperl is one of the curators
32:22
of Uncommon Sense. There was a project
32:25
that included 1.1 million pounds
32:27
of crushed glass that was installed
32:30
by the sanitation department of LA. The
32:33
museum even let the gala committee
32:35
recreate Shooter's Bar and allowed
32:37
patrons to drink at it.
32:41
Before the show opened at Mocha, the gala
32:43
committee and the staff at Melrose had one
32:45
last hurrah filming a pivotal
32:47
scene of an episode of Melrose within
32:50
the exhibit of objects that had been
32:52
previously seen on the television
32:54
show. Mel is actually in this scene.
32:58
He's lurking in the background walking through
33:06
the exhibit with Deborah Siegel-Constantino.
33:12
I think it's about a man's journey through
33:14
war, memory.
33:17
There was a fake director, there was
33:19
a fake
33:20
museum communications
33:21
officer, there
33:24
was art
33:24
that wasn't art but
33:26
it was art. Julie Lazar, co-curator
33:29
of Uncommon Sense, loved that Melrose
33:31
placed films at the museum. It raised
33:34
all the central questions of the exhibit
33:36
itself.
33:37
I thought it was fantastic because it parallels
33:41
was the work that was on the screen
33:43
and set behind the actors
33:46
art. When was it art? Was
33:48
it on the television show or was it
33:50
when they came to the gallery and it was hanging
33:53
behind them?
33:54
Clearly the gallerists, the gala
33:57
committee, and the Melrose production team were
33:59
having fun. But once uncommon
34:01
sense was open to the public, not
34:03
everyone was amused. The show got like
34:06
exceedingly bad reviews.
34:08
Actually, there's words that are
34:11
just burned into my consciousness.
34:14
Those words come from the New York Times's
34:16
Roberta Smith in a review that
34:18
was titled A Lot to See, but
34:21
Not an Artwork in Sight. She
34:23
said of Gala's work that it has the
34:25
raw, discombobulated feeling of
34:27
a group show of young, undeveloped
34:30
artists. One of the things she said in that review
34:32
also, which is also sort of true, is
34:35
that it seems like the most
34:37
profound and interesting or something like that experience
34:40
happened before the show opened. Asking
34:42
questions about art's purpose and methods of
34:44
creation doesn't always result in
34:47
work that people enjoy, or
34:49
even notice. Did you happen to notice
34:52
that with some regularity, Melrose
34:55
used very, very odd
34:58
props and set pieces that
35:00
had actually been designed by
35:03
an experimental art collective? I
35:05
would love to claim that I did notice
35:07
that because it's a fascinating,
35:10
completely bizarre piece of
35:13
Melrose plays history, but no. The answer
35:15
to that question is no. I had no awareness
35:18
of this whatsoever. In
35:22
fact, almost anyone who heard
35:24
about the experiment only learned about
35:26
it after the fact. In the art reviews
35:28
of the show and in an article for The New Yorker,
35:31
this was even true when it came to
35:33
the head honcho of Melrose plays. Frank
35:36
South, the producer and writer who embraced
35:38
the project, was at the office early one
35:40
morning when Aaron Spelling summoned
35:42
him. He walked into his desk
35:45
across this acre of shag carpet.
35:47
He's
35:48
saying, so,
35:50
Frank,
35:52
when did you know this was going on?
35:53
Oh,
35:54
well, you
35:55
know, the last
35:57
year and a half, two years.
36:00
And he goes, uh-huh.
36:03
So when were you going to tell me? He
36:06
said, oh,
36:10
Aaron, I figured as
36:12
late as possible, I was going to tell you.
36:14
Spelling wasn't known for bursts of rage,
36:17
but Frank could see he wasn't happy. It
36:19
just came down to, you understand, this
36:21
is my show, you know? I
36:25
said, yeah, I don't want anything
36:27
that would ever harm the show. And
36:30
I said, I know.
36:31
One of the things he said is, who pays
36:33
for all this shit?
36:34
Where does it all come from? Who's paying for it?
36:36
Are we paying for this? This isn't in our budget. And
36:39
I said, no, it's a
36:41
money-saving operation.
36:43
It's for free.
36:45
And that
36:47
mollified him a little.
36:51
I asked the people I spoke to about the
36:53
work's initial invisibility. And
36:56
at the time, were they hoping people
36:58
might notice? Of course.
36:59
Sure, a
37:01
little. But this is commonplace
37:03
with art. Some of it connects with the public,
37:06
and most of it doesn't. It's just, you
37:08
don't usually get it in front of an audience
37:10
of 15 million people to begin with. In
37:14
the name of the place closed in the summer of 1997. Two
37:17
years later, Melrose Place went off the
37:19
air. It seemed that, like
37:21
a lot of interesting art projects, in the name
37:24
of the place was destined to be forgotten by
37:26
everyone other than the Gala Committee. But
37:29
then, one of the committee's original
37:31
inspirations turned out to be more
37:33
apt than they could have anticipated. It's
37:35
about patients like a virus
37:38
entering your world.
37:41
It takes time for it to gestate. The
37:44
project gradually took on a new life.
37:47
Not on TV, not to millions
37:49
of people, but a new life nonetheless.
37:53
In 1998, the objects from in the name
37:55
of the place were auctioned off by Sotheby's, with
37:57
the proceeds going to charity. exhibited
38:00
in Korea and Kansas City and New
38:02
Orleans. In the
38:04
fall of 2016, Red Bull Gallery
38:07
in New York, itself an experimented branded
38:10
content by an energy drink, remounted
38:12
in the name of the place and this time the
38:15
reviews were good. For
38:17
John Lapointe, this kind of baton passing
38:19
is immensely gratifying. I mean
38:21
that's the whole tradition of art is, you know,
38:24
just passing on as a conversation, it constantly builds
38:26
upon itself. Melrose
38:29
Place, a one-time cultural juggernaut,
38:31
has less purchase than ever before, but
38:34
in the name of the place is still
38:36
replicating. It didn't go viral
38:39
in the sense of finding immediate widespread popularity,
38:42
but it wound up being viral
38:44
in the sense of slowly reaching more
38:47
and more hosts and spreading itself
38:49
throughout the ecosystem. First
38:52
it lived in the minds of artists and then
38:54
it jumped to the people making a TV show
38:56
and then to articles in magazines and newspapers
38:59
and then to museums around the world
39:02
and then most of all to the Internet,
39:04
where Melrose Place and all the work
39:06
it contained is just a few clicks
39:09
away. Now it has infected
39:11
its latest host, this show,
39:14
and it continues to spread to you. Go,
39:18
take a look for yourself, and then,
39:21
you know, pass it
39:23
on. Yeah, it's weird to just go, stop.
39:26
It's like, you need to email
39:28
me the other day, like, okay, here we go again.
39:40
This is Dakota Ray, I'm Isaac
39:42
Butler,
39:43
and I'm Willa Pasken. If you have any cultural
39:45
mysteries you want us to decode, please
39:48
email us at Decodering at Slate.com.
39:51
This episode was written and reported by
39:53
Isaac Butler. Decodering is produced by
39:55
Willa Pasken and Katie Shepard. This
39:58
episode was produced by Benjamin. Derek
40:01
John is executive producer, Joe Meier
40:03
is senior editor-producer, Merrick Jacob is
40:05
senior technical director. We'd like
40:07
to thank Jamie Bennett and also JJ
40:10
Bursch for educating Isaac on product placement, Mark
40:13
Flood for sharing his memories of the gala committee, and
40:15
to shout out Cynthia Carr's book, On
40:18
Edge, Performance at the End of the 20th
40:20
Century, which is where Isaac first
40:22
heard about all of this. If you want to see
40:25
some of the artwork from In the Name of the
40:27
Place, we'll include a link
40:28
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40:30
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