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Hello! And welcome that dear I get

1:59

john. There's I prefer to think of it

2:01

Dear John and heck it's a podcast for to

2:03

represent your questions, give you to be advice and

2:05

mean you always knew some both Mars and as

2:08

the Wimbledon.on play word of the day I did

2:10

my word or and oh my god is if

2:12

news from here he went for hims sweet holy

2:14

jesus I know we gotta say I into the

2:16

pot yes I played world today. The

2:19

answer? I don't know. I I found

2:22

that it was not easy. Okay,

2:25

Oh easy As a four letter word. Yeah,

2:27

it was a different word than easy. Him.

2:30

Yeah. I. Also

2:32

found that it was not difficult. So.

2:34

I haven't actually done world. who has no the

2:36

joke Their hank is that difficult is also not

2:38

a five letter word. I'm

2:43

so good! Thank you for noticing they should

2:45

really look at a young man this is

2:47

really and put me on on the television

2:49

to make dad jokes. Hayes Allison. What?

2:52

I can't wait till the end of Guy

2:54

as the Wimbledon Peter franchise and I was

2:56

sad or violators and secretive way until the

2:58

end it's I can't we did it We

3:00

did it is a loser Me I'm at

3:02

it was the main mans it was incredibly

3:05

was amazing of the last second. Goal is

3:07

the best man at my whole life exactly.

3:09

You're going to do it again if you

3:11

the podcasts afterwards. I can't say I have

3:13

lots to say about we're going to talk

3:15

about it's gonna be great. How can we

3:17

have it's like it. You know what it's

3:19

like. It's like when a kid comes home

3:21

from school and is really excited. But the

3:23

other kid is already in the car. In

3:25

is like telling an ongoing story and you

3:27

have to be like I wanna hear your

3:29

story. But first we have to do this

3:31

other story which in this case is the

3:34

podcast. Yeah sadly of you questions from our

3:36

listeners the facts we can I tell you

3:38

a story about my son telling a story

3:40

Yes. It was very cute

3:42

is we are in the car and we're

3:44

listen to a song and the guy was

3:47

say sing about Cassidy this girl named Cassidy

3:49

and and happened was like cat city and

3:51

I was like no insane Cassidy and ones

3:53

like oh and he was sad and that

3:56

I was I but look. the

3:58

internet as large i have spotted So I

4:00

was like hey, hey Siri, can you play

4:02

cat city and it did and cat it

4:05

was great It was a very high energy

4:07

song that would that came out from that

4:09

and then we got home After

4:11

having listened to cat city or I

4:14

believe the song ended up being called kitty city for

4:17

For several times and orin came in and the

4:19

cats greeted us at the door as they do

4:21

and orin sat down with the cats And he

4:23

told them the story of how we discovered the

4:25

song Oh,

4:32

but this isn't a cute podcast think

4:34

this is a comedy podcast about suffering

4:39

Yeah, yeah, well, you know

4:42

We're all gonna die. I know but

4:45

I've known the whole time and you just found

4:47

out a year ago It

4:51

wasn't even a year ago, can you believe no

4:53

I know I we've got we've got two months

4:55

until it was a year ago You sent me

4:57

an email that was like how weird is it

4:59

that I got cancer or text message? And

5:02

I was like, I'm glad he said it because

5:04

I think it every day Yeah, like every day

5:07

I'll be I'll be like walking or doing something

5:09

and I'll be like Hank had cancer. Yeah

5:12

Yeah, I'm working on a video right now that'll probably be

5:14

out by the time this episode goes up But I'm working

5:16

on a video about like the transition from

5:19

treatment to not treatment anymore and Yeah, one

5:21

thing that a lot of people say is

5:24

they're like you're going so hard during treatment

5:26

Like you're doing really hard stuff and you're

5:28

over and like you're doing stuff. You don't

5:30

want to do You're

5:32

like forcing your body to do and you're

5:35

like it's it just like an exercise in

5:37

tremendous willpower And then it's like alright go

5:39

back to being normal and and like

5:42

have a normal life where you're not fighting for

5:44

your life right and And people are like and

5:46

then you just like lay there and you're like

5:49

I have to go back to like norm and

5:51

I'm like Yeah, this happened to me except instead.

5:53

I was like I should keep going the same

5:55

level of hard I know I know

5:58

and I feel like I tried to talk to you

6:00

about that because you just like it's

6:02

almost like you came out of it wanting

6:05

to go harder not wanting

6:07

to like ease up or make

6:10

certain. Well it's like I got used to

6:12

going super hard. Maybe that makes sense you

6:15

know. And like and like

6:17

the transition to like going I mean

6:19

I took I was felt really

6:21

like but once I started feeling better I just like

6:25

I don't know. Yeah. There's

6:27

a lot to it. There is a

6:29

lot to it and I think you're still

6:31

unpacking it. I mean it's important to remember

6:33

that like you're still in the first months

6:36

of post treatment. Yeah. I

6:38

mean maybe it feels like a long time. I think

6:40

the reason it maybe feels like a long time is

6:42

because it was

6:44

so intense you know like

6:47

the days moved so slowly when

6:50

you were in treatment that

6:52

now it's just it

6:55

is just weird. It's profoundly weird

6:57

and I don't blame

6:59

you for any response that you have to it

7:02

because I think they're all healthy and normal you

7:04

know because like how are you supposed to respond

7:06

to that. Yeah. And I like that

7:08

on the one hand I like that you've gone so hard because

7:10

it's been great for me. I've been like you

7:13

know people are like hey can you help out with this

7:15

and I'm like no but Hank for some reason wants to.

7:20

Yeah. I may have hit my I may have hit a

7:22

cap. People

7:24

have told me like they've been in conversations with

7:27

you and you've been like well I have more

7:29

bandwidth than I've ever had and I'm like does

7:31

does. I

7:33

know have like three

7:36

front burner projects. Yeah.

7:38

I'm really excited about and I'm and like

7:40

there aren't three front burners. I don't know

7:43

kind of you have you know

7:45

you might have a front burners but I do not.

7:48

I have one front burner project this big

7:50

thing with for tuberculosis and it makes me

7:52

sick all the time. Like

7:54

I feel vaguely nauseated wherever I go.

7:57

So Yeah I don't know how you do it, but you know what else.

8:00

They don't know what. The.

8:02

Answer to any questions. The answered a

8:04

question. Great friends is a friends as

8:06

guy asks. Dear Greens, what's a good

8:08

place to put stickers? I never by

8:11

myself stickers because they don't know where

8:13

to put up. Ideally they would be

8:15

somewhere that I can admire them and

8:18

keep them from harm. So water bottles

8:20

and stuff aren't an option. Stickers and

8:22

stuff. Francesca, they're not. Water.

8:24

Bottle see my prime sticker location.

8:27

That's. What my kids do I'm going to. What

8:29

about where I hear it? It says Montana Public

8:31

Radio. My. Kid sticker the

8:33

heck out of their i'm out of their

8:35

their water bottles. The other thing that you

8:37

can stick or of course is Euro, your

8:40

laptop or the back your I pad or

8:42

widowers. yeah, back your phone people do that

8:44

a lot yes. But I'm in favor of

8:46

sticking and more unusual places like why get

8:48

a tattoo when you could just get sicker?

8:50

you know my own to systems as sled.

8:52

often enough an hour get a lower back

8:54

sicker. make sure you like you for a

8:56

few weeks before you move on to the

8:58

tattoo. You know? Yeah, that's great for the

9:00

people. Seven the stickers because you have to

9:02

buy. Him a bunch over and over again.

9:04

Apply a new every morning. Yeah.

9:07

But you won't talk about it. Affordable investment

9:09

stickers. stickers are not super cheap though. I

9:11

feel like we've I went all the pool

9:13

per day. Stickers on Earth did Scientist stickers

9:16

are not super expensive but I feel like

9:18

if you're buying multiple that we are we

9:20

might. You might end up with a probably

9:22

might end up with one of those went

9:24

budgets where it's like here's my normal budget

9:26

and than ten thousand dollars. Doesn't

9:32

make sense. I got twelve hundred bucks for rent.

9:35

I. Got two hundred bucks for a car

9:37

payments and I got twelve thousand dollars

9:39

for stickers. What? What am I missing?

9:43

Please help me with my finances. I I look

9:45

what I can tell you I can tell you

9:47

what children do. ah which is they put them

9:49

on everything and it seems to work out greats.

9:51

They also can put them in their nose and

9:53

I wouldn't do that. Oh,

9:55

that reminds me that for reasons I can't

9:57

really get into, I got to hold. The.

10:00

Original manuscript for Isaac Newton's Principia.

10:02

Yeah, and it was pretty cool.

10:04

And I also got to hold

10:07

and page through a first edition

10:09

of ah, On the Origin of

10:11

Species, which I understand is kind

10:13

of a classic. Ah say

10:15

you did. You slip out like a little

10:17

bit of a pizza is flavored. scratch and

10:20

sniff and dislike. slide and on. their. I.

10:22

Went ahead and get and sticker hit

10:24

sit around the issue had somebody had

10:27

several they also a libraries somewhere in

10:29

England had put on a big old

10:31

sticker like over Charles Darwin's name of

10:34

Hoover of the on the on the

10:36

title page is the big old sticker

10:38

that was like property of this library.

10:41

ah this is mine I when I

10:43

was at the White House which I

10:45

was once I mean it's almost like

10:47

I tell a story that getting to

10:50

hold Isaac Newton's for your the either.

10:52

Way that are of oh I'm I'm I'm

10:54

in trouble here. I need to find a

10:56

way to one of him time so no

10:58

way that there's no way that this is

11:00

obviously this is not one of is just

11:02

I was downstairs and of and the White

11:05

House basement and a library waiting to get

11:07

brought upstairs where you were brought up stairs.

11:09

who are you meeting. Ah

11:11

as one of the dogs I think ah

11:13

mm actually we did me the dogs and

11:15

then that's ah. I just grabbed a book

11:18

off the shelf and I and I and

11:20

I wrote my name on out of the

11:22

one dollar bill and I put it into

11:25

the book and I assume it's still there.

11:27

It's I resorted to leave a presence yeah

11:29

he like that might be a felony. I

11:31

got the com now it's fine. it's is

11:34

this littering. That's. Certainly

11:36

a misdemeanor I lizard in the White

11:38

House, if anything. Were. You also

11:40

defaced us Federal currencies. Now that's allowed.

11:42

I've looked that up. obviously. As a

11:44

person who doesn't a lot. i'm

11:47

glad you googled that and forty two

11:49

did it go to view on you

11:51

always want to google your crimes that's

11:53

a great rule of thumb main writer

11:56

as for you commit a crime to

11:58

google news blank across Yeah.

12:01

Well, maybe I wouldn't have done it otherwise. I

12:03

did take a lot of

12:05

hand towels, because White House

12:07

embossed hand towels, I feel like... They're

12:11

a dime a dozen. You stole from the people

12:13

of the United States, Hank. It's

12:15

true. It's true. That's

12:17

why I paid so many taxes. I

12:20

stole... I never try and cheat out on my

12:22

taxes, because I got to pay for those hand towels I took. On

12:24

my visit to the White House, where

12:26

I did not, just to be clear, meet the president,

12:29

although I did meet the first lady. I

12:34

took a matchbox,

12:37

which I was surprised to know they still make. Yeah.

12:41

Yeah. I don't know what people at the

12:43

White House are doing with matches. I guess, they got to have

12:45

a lot of candles there. Yeah. So I

12:47

took a matchbox. I was there for the Christmas party. It was

12:49

great. The best... I think... Have

12:52

I told you this story before about the best part of the Christmas

12:54

party? Maybe. I'll tell it again. I'm

12:57

46 years old, Hank. This is

12:59

what I do now. I retell stories. I

13:02

no longer have enough new things happen to me. Yeah.

13:05

And you won't let me tell the story of

13:07

what happened at AFC Wimbledon until the end of

13:09

the podcast. You're going to get

13:12

there. This US Marine walked up to me and he said,

13:14

Mr. Green, I'm a huge fan of Long Brothers and I

13:16

have been for many years. And I said, thank you so

13:18

much. Thank you for your service. And

13:20

he said, the event has ended. And

13:24

then ushered me out of the room. That's

13:28

very good. And I was

13:30

like, this is the

13:33

best thing that's ever happened to me. This

13:35

is my favorite fan interaction of all time.

13:37

The event has ended. That's

13:40

like professional Usher stuff right there.

13:42

Right? They're not like,

13:44

they're not like, all right, we're going to use everybody

13:46

to stay. No. They're like, the

13:48

event has ended. I've started doing it at my house. This

13:51

is the people's house. Exactly. This

13:53

all belongs to the people. And

13:55

the event has ended. I've started doing it in my own home

13:57

when I Host a dinner party at like eight o'clock. It

14:00

up and say look at my friends and say

14:02

it's so nice to see all of you here

14:04

tonight. I can't tell you how special the scene

14:06

in the event is ended. That's actually when I

14:09

finished my coffee at the coffee shop I just

14:11

stand up and I stood Athens the event has

14:13

ended and then I leaves. which is so they

14:15

had a August the South Where the heck goes

14:17

to a coffee shop? It's like the Mayor of

14:20

Missoula has shown on. It's. Think. I

14:22

was I glad hand everybody has a

14:24

kiss on the baby easy as the

14:26

like greet all of the Barry says

14:28

the same and game emulated. Some advice

14:30

at the a legless I'm use it

14:32

The visit of local royalties Hank Green

14:34

has come soon and staying over attending

14:36

this event. Oh god that's the craziest

14:38

thing I've ever heard of. We were

14:41

the southern I do have a problem

14:43

where when we finish when we like

14:45

get word of and to with the

14:47

coffee shop which is a very somber

14:49

place. The coffee shop everyone's they're working

14:51

and Catherine. I are there to know

14:53

not we their recreating having coffee together.

14:55

Ah, we can't We can't celebrate to

14:58

the extent that we would like to.

15:01

Write I understand that is suffering. It's

15:04

a great suffering up with things as

15:06

back to our questions. Or

15:08

it had. We've got a question from Andrea she writes:

15:10

dear Hank and John I booked a cabin in a

15:12

bear and wolf enclosure from which to watch the eclipse.

15:15

Whatever. A one is. the

15:17

only problem is the Kevin Smith's for and

15:19

has to four bedrooms. My partner and I want

15:21

to invite another couple to join us. How

15:23

do we do that without sounding like were slightly

15:25

unhinged and planning to seat our friends to

15:27

the wolves and bears and will let me go

15:30

bang beginning of your quite. First off, you

15:32

don't Andrea. Because. You've.

15:34

Booked a cabin in in it. Or

15:37

not good at prepositions but my understanding is

15:39

in means in a book would bear and

15:41

wolf enclosure in a bear and will like

15:43

how you get into it is like use

15:45

the i got tunnel that you get in

15:47

through and then he like was looking around

15:50

like it's an aquarium. nod your head around,

15:52

run by the bear and wilson closer know

15:54

to know they give you arms steaks. They.

15:56

give you large t bone porter

15:58

how often And then as you're walking

16:00

into the Baron Wolf enclosure, you just toss them.

16:03

You toss them like crazy while you're running to

16:05

the cabin. No, that's ridiculous,

16:07

John. They catapult you into the cabin

16:09

with a cartoon catapult. That's it. And

16:12

you come down through the chimney. You come down through the chimney like

16:14

Santa. You zip line in. Yes,

16:16

that's how you do it. I'm sorry. That's

16:18

clearly better. You zip line onto the roof

16:20

and then get to the cabin via the

16:23

chimney. My question is, how are

16:25

you going to watch the eclipse when you

16:27

can't leave the cabin? Is

16:29

this like a thing? I

16:31

don't know. But if it's

16:33

in a Baron Wolf enclosure. Does

16:37

it have a roof?

16:39

You can't watch the

16:41

eclipse unless you do

16:43

it with the bears and the wolves, which

16:45

I think that other couple should be concerned

16:47

about. Now listen, I know that sometimes we

16:50

overemphasize the dangers of bears and wolves,

16:52

but nonetheless, I don't necessarily want to

16:54

be watching the eclipse with them. Yeah,

16:57

no. I mean, I want to have

16:59

a nice peaceful time, not be one

17:01

foot in, one foot out ready to slam

17:03

the door behind me if I get charged

17:06

by a bear. Bear

17:08

and wolf enclosure? How

17:11

are they even bears and wolves in one

17:13

enclosure? They're not buds. I've

17:15

never been able to speak with either of them about their

17:17

feelings on the other. It's true.

17:20

It's true. My sensation is that

17:22

they wouldn't get along in a

17:24

small space. Well, you would think.

17:27

The bears mostly eat vegetables and

17:29

the wolves mostly eat bears. So

17:31

you wouldn't think there's necessarily an

17:34

issue. Yeah. Yeah. I

17:37

mean, it might be hard. Well, it certainly would be hard for a

17:39

wolf to take down a bear. It might be hard for a bear

17:41

to take down a wolf. Maybe they get along. Maybe it's fine. But.

17:45

Yeah. Maybe it's like our relationship with coyotes

17:47

where we sort of just have a big, right? Respect for each

17:49

other. We can't really, we can't really hurt each

17:51

other without tools. I can't really do much about

17:53

you. You can't do that much about me. Yeah.

17:56

I think that's how I feel about most people. However,

18:00

you do this, I think that you

18:02

would pitch it not like this. Though.

18:05

The way you pitched to us is

18:07

not how you pitch it to whoever

18:09

you're trying to invite. You do a

18:11

better job because I'm scared. Yeah, I

18:13

think you've got a pitch it as

18:15

do you want to have a potentially

18:17

Saito adventure. What's

18:21

you've? only got one likes? Them

18:24

I played cancer inside of you, eating

18:26

you right now of Jesus Anc, you

18:28

might as well. Face

18:31

says the external predators as well.

18:33

Dot. I love new Hank. He's just

18:36

he's my favorite hank. So for.

18:40

The. Next person comes from Megan who writes dear

18:42

mainly Hank but also John. I

18:44

think excesses of because this is a

18:47

question about writing novels which I do

18:49

know some ha ha ha ha. Or

18:52

it continues. I'm writing a novel set on

18:55

an artificially constructed, very tiny planet or ship

18:57

the size of the city. Traveling through space

18:59

is in question for Hank. I know a

19:01

lot about painting on small canvases. None of

19:03

my novels have more than four characters. Someone

19:06

right into the narration a joke about how

19:08

the east side of the city doesn't really

19:10

have any meeting with the absence of a

19:12

magnetic field. But then I couldn't figure. Out

19:14

if maybe there would still be a magnetic

19:17

field. how are those generated? What would a

19:19

compass do if you took it on to

19:21

a spaceship for context of attached to poor

19:23

rendition of the ship? It's kind of like

19:25

the snow globes. the progressive particle of Meg,

19:27

Meg, and. Well. The

19:29

necessary good name specific sign off

19:32

yes that is. ah but there

19:34

would not be a magnetic field

19:37

unless there was money there was

19:39

then it would have to be

19:41

We would beat, We would make

19:44

it. We. They would

19:46

be created personally like I like artificial

19:48

gravity like I seen spaceships like that

19:50

where things like swing around says that

19:53

there's experience of gravity inside the ship.

19:55

right? And there is is actually

19:57

problem is probably quite easy to korea

19:59

it an unofficial magnetic field. Not now

20:02

there's and there's another way that there

20:04

might be a magnetic field which is

20:06

if the engines created one. So if

20:09

if you've got a their various propulsion

20:11

systems that sort of like slaying high

20:13

like sling particles out of high energy

20:15

and and they do that with magnetic

20:18

fields and so that magnetic field would

20:20

also probably affect the ah area that

20:22

the city isn't judging by your a

20:25

helpful graphic that you have included. That

20:28

those engines that I'm working out are quite. Close

20:30

to that city or but also

20:32

you might or intentionally artificially induced

20:34

magnetic field in order to protect

20:36

the spaceship. From. Obziler.

20:39

Blake from from cosmic radiation so that

20:41

the those charged particles you want to

20:43

deflect them so that they're not hurting

20:46

people. There's various ways to do that

20:48

you can do that with like you

20:50

know, water shielding or something, but you

20:52

could also do it with an artificially

20:54

induced magnetic field and so that's my

20:56

answer. You know now that you're talking

20:59

I realize it is perfect. Questions such

21:01

as. And

21:05

the my be and there must be yet

21:07

other reasons that you would want to create

21:09

an artificial magnetic field that we have not

21:11

discovered yet. Or right. Great.

21:14

Power? Good job. Heck am I

21:17

Recommend that the characters in the

21:19

novel talk to each other inside

21:21

of both indoor rooms and outdoor

21:23

spaces. Yes, that would be

21:25

good. I like an outdoor space on the

21:27

inside of a spaceship. Yes,

21:30

I'm also good for the movie version. and

21:33

i said interiors and x this a hosts

21:35

this next question comes from city and who

21:38

asks the or hank and john i'm a

21:40

science student going into medicine so i love

21:42

learning about evidence based research my mom on

21:44

the other hand it's bit more spiritual and

21:46

while she accepts com and medicine she also

21:48

likes the alternative stuff when we've had conversations

21:51

about such therapies in the past and always

21:53

made her feel dismissed and they also felt

21:55

sad because my mom's didn't want to learn

21:57

about the science that's been done in the

21:59

area If I do go into

22:01

medicine after my undergrad, I know I'll

22:04

have similar conversations with patients as well.

22:06

How can I become non-judgmental when I disagree

22:09

with a person's point of view and help

22:11

both of us feel good about a difficult

22:13

conversation? Thank you, Vivian. Well,

22:16

Vivian, we need more doctors like you. So

22:19

I hope that you'll stay in the game.

22:21

Yeah. Just asking that question is a huge

22:23

step, I think. Yeah.

22:25

And the understanding that

22:29

people are in all kinds of different places, and

22:32

there are reasons for

22:34

that with their understanding of the

22:37

universe and of how things

22:39

are currently working. And that's

22:41

like a reality of

22:44

our existence and has always been a thing.

22:46

People have always had all kinds of different

22:48

conceptions of how to understand their

22:50

bodies and the world that their bodies exist

22:53

inside of. But

22:55

yeah, it's absolutely tricky, and I have

22:57

a hard time with it as well,

22:59

especially as I went

23:01

through treatment talking to people who,

23:05

and I still deal with this some, talking to people

23:07

who sincerely want to help

23:10

me, and I don't lend much

23:13

credence to their recommendations.

23:16

There's no evidence that their

23:18

recommendations would would be helpful.

23:21

Yeah. I mean, I find it helpful to

23:23

remember that I genuinely

23:25

might be wrong. Not that I

23:27

might be wrong in the abstract, like I'm sometimes

23:29

wrong, but that I actually might be wrong even

23:31

about convictions that I hold quite

23:33

close. And

23:36

that also helps me to remember that they might be

23:39

wrong. And

23:41

it's hard

23:43

to ask someone to consider that they might be wrong,

23:46

but if you come at it from a perspective

23:48

of really believing that you might be wrong, it

23:51

maybe gets a little bit easier. But

23:53

the other thing I'd say about this is that I

23:56

don't think we make people, I don't

23:59

think people's minds change by being shamed

24:02

or by being cast out or

24:04

by feeling less than. I

24:07

think that hardens people's beliefs and

24:10

I think we've seen that over and over again.

24:13

You would think that if it were an effective

24:15

strategy, as much fun as we

24:18

make of people who believe in conspiracy

24:20

theories or believe that the earth is

24:22

flat or whatever, that there would be fewer

24:24

such people. But in fact, the more we

24:27

make fun of those people, the more of them there

24:29

are. I

24:32

see that as a

24:34

failure of how we engage in

24:37

discourse rather than any other failure.

24:41

When you come at something from a

24:43

place of real empathy and understanding, then

24:46

when you disagree with someone, you can

24:48

disagree with them and you

24:50

can say, I'm sorry, but I disagree and

24:52

I think the evidence is very strong in

24:54

the other direction. Yeah. And

24:58

when it comes to doctors who are good at this,

25:01

what you hear is that

25:03

they listen. Is that

25:05

they let the person explain and

25:07

they talk to them about

25:09

their beliefs. And that

25:12

helps and then they mirror that belief back to

25:14

them. And this

25:16

is kind of annoying sometimes because it's like

25:18

your mom's not listening to what you're saying

25:20

and then you have to listen to what

25:22

your mom's saying, which in the context of

25:24

a parent-child relationship, you should both be doing

25:26

talking and listening. In the context of a

25:28

doctor-patient relationship, the patient is the

25:31

person whose body is at stake here and

25:34

their mind is connected to their body. So

25:36

the doctor, and this is really hard in

25:40

a lot of contexts because doctors don't have a lot of

25:42

time, but oftentimes in an oncology

25:44

context with cancer, the doctor does have

25:47

more time because you're in a pretty

25:49

serious medical situation. And

25:54

it is really about understanding where the patient

25:56

is at and letting

25:58

them be heard

26:00

so that they know that

26:03

you respect their beliefs and

26:05

they become much more receptive

26:07

to like, you know,

26:09

like your perspective as an expert,

26:11

if you, you know,

26:14

can convince them of your expertise by respecting

26:16

them, which is like, this is how that

26:18

like, you can't walk into a room and

26:20

be like, you must respect me, like respect

26:23

has to go both ways, like, like the

26:25

doctor offering the patient respect first is how

26:28

you gain respect for people from people.

26:30

Yeah, it all goes back to what

26:32

Ryan Reynolds taught us on the podcast

26:34

take mirror, it's true mirror what somebody

26:36

is saying, validate

26:38

it, validate whatever part of it

26:40

is validatable and empathize with them. Yeah.

26:44

And that ultimately is how people

26:46

feel heard. And once people feel heard, you

26:48

can have a different kind of conversation. But

26:51

it's something we struggle with to. It's

26:53

something I struggle with a lot. So I'm not saying it's easy.

26:57

And I'm not saying that I have the answer. And

26:59

also, I might be wrong, genuinely. I

27:02

often am. John, this next question comes

27:04

from autumn who asks, Hi, my question is,

27:06

what's happening with the economy? Like

27:09

2023, we're supposed to be at a

27:11

recession, but then Taylor Swift and maybe

27:13

Barbie apparently boosted it. And

27:15

then good store did really well, according

27:18

to y'all, which is great. The groceries

27:20

and rent are really expensive. But experts

27:22

point out that spending and big businesses

27:24

are doing good, I think. I'm

27:28

trying to decide if $2 tofu is too expensive or

27:30

not. Thanks. Tickets and

27:32

tuition, autumn. Yeah, I mean, that's a

27:34

great question. And I love the way it ended

27:36

because like, that's the way most people experience the

27:39

economy, right? It's like, how much should tofu cost?

27:41

And does it cost that much or does it

27:43

cost more? Yeah.

27:46

But like, this

27:48

is part of what's so hard about talking

27:50

about the economy, right? Is

27:52

that there are- This is a particularly

27:54

weird time to talk about the economy.

27:56

Yeah. Right. In

28:00

fact, we haven't been in a recession

28:02

really. I mean, we had like a

28:04

weird COVID related sort of

28:06

two quarters of not growing. And then we

28:09

had a weird post COVID

28:11

related two quarters of barely growing. But like

28:13

we haven't really been in a recession since

28:15

2008. Like not

28:18

only has YouTube never really experienced a

28:20

recession like Hank and I in our

28:22

like professional lives haven't really experienced a

28:24

recession since Paper Towns came out. Like

28:26

that was the only time I've ever

28:28

been affected by a recession is when

28:30

Paper Towns was published amid a collapse

28:32

of the US economy. It wasn't great

28:34

for book sales, it turns out. But

28:39

other than that, it's been so long since we

28:41

had what I think of as like a normal

28:43

standard recession like we had in 2001 or a

28:45

really extreme recession like we had in 2008 that

28:48

it's kind of hard. That

28:51

in and of itself is very, very weird. It's

28:53

weird to have an economy that's expanded for

28:56

so long. It's weird to have an economy that's where

28:59

inflation has been relatively high, not just in

29:01

the US but globally. And

29:04

all that stuff is weird. And

29:06

then it's weird how there is

29:08

sort of a disconnect between corporate

29:11

profits and cost of living or

29:13

economic growth and cost of living,

29:15

especially around housing prices. Yeah.

29:18

I think it seemed like

29:20

it was an inevitability that we were going

29:22

to have a recession. It

29:24

is worth saying that we didn't and that

29:26

recessions are bad. And nobody,

29:28

I don't think that anybody really quite

29:30

gets how it happened. I remember everybody saying,

29:32

there's no way that you can get out

29:35

of this much inflation without having a hard

29:37

landing and they're like, soft landings are a

29:39

fantasy. And then it seems to,

29:41

no one now thinks that there's going to

29:43

be a recession, which maybe means there will

29:45

be. I don't know. Right. It's

29:50

like the Spanish Inquisition. It happens when you least

29:52

expect it. Yeah.

29:55

I mean, first off, we should acknowledge that Hank

29:57

and I are not economists, nor are we

29:59

a Yeah, that's probably a good point. But

30:01

what I will say is that, like, amid

30:04

all of this economic growth, there hasn't been

30:06

much change in the percentage of American households

30:08

who say that they're living paycheck to paycheck.

30:11

Yeah. And when we talk about

30:13

economic growth, we need to talk about that as

30:15

well, right? We can't just have one marker for

30:18

whether the economy is going well or going poorly.

30:20

Like, yes, it's great that inflation

30:22

is coming down. Yes, it's great that unemployment

30:24

is low. But

30:26

if we're not seeing progress

30:29

in how much

30:31

people feel, like, okay with their economic

30:33

lives or how they feel, whether they

30:35

feel safe and

30:37

secure, that's

30:41

a concern to me. Because that indicates

30:43

to me that the economy isn't necessarily,

30:45

like, as a system isn't doing a

30:48

good job of doing what is its

30:50

most essential job, right? Which is to

30:53

make sure that, like, as

30:55

many people as possible are

30:57

included in growth and, like,

30:59

people overall over time become

31:01

more financially secure, not less.

31:04

And I don't see a ton of evidence of

31:06

that from the last couple decades. Yeah.

31:09

And it's, like, the

31:11

way that, like, people are

31:14

impacted by the economy varies

31:16

so much across age and

31:18

wealth. Well, and just, like, individuals, right?

31:20

I mean, like... Autumn, I think that

31:22

you have definitely got your finger on

31:24

something here, which is that it seems

31:27

weird. Like, it just, like,

31:29

feels like a weird economic moment and I

31:31

don't... And if it feels strange and it

31:33

feels like unemployment is low but it's hard

31:35

to get a job, like, that

31:37

seems to me like a true statement. That

31:40

feels very strange to me. Like, because I think

31:42

that it's just, like, strange right now. It's

31:45

weird. And, like, it kind of makes sense

31:47

that it would be weird after a, you

31:49

know, generational shock like

31:51

COVID that, like,

31:54

we... Like, the economy's never handled that

31:56

before. Like, we don't know what it looks like.

32:00

And we don't know what it's supposed to do. Can

32:02

we say we hope it's a generational shock instead of

32:05

saying that with such confidence? I don't want

32:07

to have that come back to bite us.

32:09

I was looking backwards. Yeah, like all the

32:12

people listen to

32:14

the listen to the podcast and they're

32:16

like Oh,

32:18

it was so cute when they thought that that thing

32:20

that happened wouldn't possibly happen Exactly, and

32:22

I don't want to create another one of those

32:25

so I just want to be very clear to

32:27

the universe I have no idea

32:29

what's about to happen. Please don't make it

32:31

that bad though Like

32:35

I know it's already bad, but please don't make

32:37

it worse Okay, just like I'll just

32:40

say it Hank and I don't think this is said

32:42

enough one thing I love about the world wars Really

32:46

one of the only things I love about the

32:48

world wars okay, uh-huh is that

32:52

They're a duology. Yeah, I love that.

32:54

You know wouldn't want a trilogy don't

32:57

want a trilogy Don't

32:59

think it's necessary. Don't think I need a

33:02

third installment of that story Which

33:05

reminds me John that this podcast is brought to

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it's out there waiting no you

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want it if you But

33:18

we don't So let's

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33:22

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33:25

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37:32

pod. Did astronauts know the moon's lower

37:34

level of gravity before landing there in

37:37

1969 or was that

37:39

a surprise to them? And if they did know

37:41

in advance, how? Yours and confused about the universe,

37:43

Greg. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Let me

37:45

try to figure it out. You could do it.

37:48

I think they had to because otherwise they would

37:50

have smashed that thing right into the moon. You

37:52

know what I mean? I think they had to

37:54

have a pretty good sense of the moon's gravity

37:56

in order to land that

37:59

sweet little lander. just have it kiss

38:01

the surface rather than like a big bump bump. Yeah,

38:04

yeah, no, you definitely need to know

38:06

exactly what the moon's gravity is to

38:08

land on the moon for a

38:10

bunch of different reasons. You also need to know about the

38:12

moon's gravity to get off of the moon. Right. Because you

38:14

have to have the right amount of fuel and you would

38:16

not want to carry a bunch of extra fuel, etc. So...

38:19

Well, you could... why not carry too much? That's

38:22

what I always do when it comes to packing.

38:24

Yeah, that's... they do carry a little bit too

38:26

much, but they carry an appropriate amount too much,

38:28

you know? You want to go 20% not 200%

38:30

because then you're

38:33

just carrying a bunch of fuel you don't need to carry and then you can't

38:35

take home as many rocks. And taking home

38:37

rocks is what it's all about. That's

38:39

right. Every pound of fuel is

38:41

a pound of rocks you can't have to

38:44

take home with you. Which is a nice transition, Hank,

38:47

to the news from Mars. One day we

38:49

will bring rocks back from Mars and we'll

38:51

have Mars rocks on Earth just

38:53

as we currently have moon rocks on Earth, which

38:56

reminds me again that it's time for

38:58

the news from Mars so that I can tell you the news

39:00

from Anteomemus and please go quickly. Well,

39:02

John, weirdly one of the reasons we know

39:04

that the moon has a mass

39:08

and could figure that out is because of

39:10

like tides and stuff and how it affects

39:12

Earth. Right. So you can see it tugging on us just like

39:14

we tug on it and we can

39:17

understand the differences that it causes in our

39:20

planet as it moves around us. And

39:23

that's kind of part of how we figured out, but

39:26

also because of how it travels around us, the

39:30

situation with regards to the moon's gravity. But

39:33

weirdly, it turns out that Mars might

39:35

also affect our climate, which seems awful

39:37

odd. Oh, Mars is tugging on us.

39:39

So Mars is tugging on us and

39:42

we're tugging on Mars. Maybe just a

39:44

little bit. So astronomical models

39:46

have predicted fluctuations in our climate

39:48

that happen over millions of years.

39:50

They're called grand cycles. And one

39:52

potential example has been the result

39:55

of interactions between Earth and Mars's

39:57

gravity fields, which can affect their

39:59

orbits and including potentially pulling the

40:01

other closer to the Sun,

40:03

leading to more Sun and warmer

40:05

climate until the Earth drifts

40:07

a little bit away, creating a cycle that

40:10

repeats every 2.4 million years. Wow.

40:15

Wow, that's pretty mind-blowing. It's

40:17

pulling on us. It pulls on us

40:19

and it gets us a little bit closer to Earth and then

40:21

we drift away from Earth and then it gets us a little

40:23

bit closer to Earth, wild. So as

40:26

the Earth gets warmer, like things change and we

40:28

can actually see those changes and

40:33

it looks as if those things are being affected

40:35

by our good old friend Mars. Wow,

40:37

that's so cool. Well, you

40:40

know what else is cool? The

40:44

94th minute. A

40:46

94th minute winner against the franchise

40:49

currently playing its trade in Milton

40:51

Keynes. So I

40:53

think the last time we recorded the pod,

40:56

I'm going to see this game where we're gonna

40:58

play the franchise and I

41:01

assume that we'll lose because we always

41:03

lose because we dread this

41:05

occasion and feel like it shouldn't be

41:08

happening and they relish the occasion. And

41:11

I'll tell you what, we made

41:13

them dread the occasion. It was

41:15

an extraordinary game. The

41:18

atmosphere inside of Plow Lane.

41:20

I would rate it somewhere between

41:23

excellent and terrifying. You

41:25

know the difference between

41:28

a really warm hot shower

41:30

and a boiling shower, it was in there.

41:33

It was somewhere in there. It was a

41:35

little too hot, but oh my God, it

41:37

was amazing. And it looked like

41:39

it was gonna be a nil-nil draw. I remember

41:41

turning to Rosianna and my friend Stuart in the

41:43

92nd minute when we almost gave up a goal

41:45

that would have had us lose the game and

41:47

saying, look, this is the fourth place team in

41:49

League Two. We would be, we'd

41:51

do great to get a draw out of this game.

41:54

And it looked like it was gonna be a nil-nil draw and

41:56

that's kind of what I was just hoping for at that point.

42:00

And then, I mean, the weirdest thing happened.

42:02

The ball broke, and suddenly one of our

42:04

central defenders was out on the left wing.

42:06

I still don't understand how or why he

42:08

got there. He's probably the slowest guy on

42:10

the field. No disrespect, Lee Brown, but like

42:12

you and I both know, you're in your

42:14

late 30s. And

42:17

somehow, somehow he sent

42:19

in a cross that landed at the foot

42:21

of Ronan Curtis, who put it in the

42:23

back of the net. The

42:25

celebrations went

42:27

on for days, for

42:30

hours, for years. I

42:33

flew home like five days later, and I

42:37

was at an Olivia Rodrigo concert in Nashville

42:39

with Alice. And I turned to

42:41

Alice in the middle of the Olivia Rodrigo concert, and

42:43

I said, I just thought about Ronan Curtis' 94th minute

42:46

goal. That's

42:48

how long it's been making me happy. All

42:50

the players came out after the game and

42:52

hung out with the fans. The manager and

42:54

all the coaching staff ended up in the

42:56

bar after the game having a drink. The

43:00

guy who scored the goal, Ronan

43:02

Curtis, was on somebody's shoulders, like

43:04

prancing around Southwest London drinking champagne.

43:08

It was epic,

43:11

epic. I mean, it was as

43:13

good a feeling as I've ever, ever

43:15

had in my life. Because AFC Wimbledon

43:17

manager Johnny Jackson said to me, this

43:19

is why we do it, right? This

43:22

is why we put ourselves through all

43:24

that pain. And

43:26

it was just so true. And then

43:28

AFC Wimbledon, I mean, I'm happy to

43:30

talk about that game for hours, if

43:33

necessary. I

43:35

said afterwards that it was the greatest feeling of

43:38

my life. Like, in some ways, it was a

43:40

better feeling than even when we got promoted at

43:43

Wembley, because it felt like we'd

43:45

exercised a demon. I mean, this is a team

43:47

we had never beat at Plow Lane back home

43:49

in front of our fans. And

43:51

we just felt like we were

43:54

free from that somehow. We were

43:56

free from at least part

43:58

of the horror of what happened. 22

44:00

years ago and It

44:03

was so it was just an epic epic feeling

44:05

I mean people were crying people were and like

44:07

the the franchise fans makes one of us for

44:09

making such a big deal out Of it, but

44:11

like you wish you could have that joy like

44:14

you wish you could know how that feels You

44:18

know, you know you you

44:20

don't even know what it's like to be as sad as we've

44:22

been Exactly. Exactly. You're right.

44:24

Like you haven't reached the depths. You can't

44:26

reach the heights then

44:28

a couple days later as you woman played Grimsby

44:31

town to a nil nil draw where it

44:34

looked I mean, I'll be honest like I wasn't

44:36

the only person who was still nursing a hangover

44:38

and But

44:41

that was followed up by two

44:43

consecutive really impressive to nil victories

44:46

Oh over knots County and either

44:48

Jillingham or Gillingham only the scientists

44:50

know for sure and now Improbably

44:54

with only eight games remaining

44:56

in the season AFC Wimbledon

44:59

are in the playoffs as

45:01

things stand they are in

45:03

seventh place That

45:05

would put us in the playoffs giving us a

45:07

25% chance or thereabouts

45:09

of being a league one team

45:12

next season So not

45:14

only is beating the franchise just beating

45:16

the franchise currently playing as trade Milton

45:18

Keynes But more importantly it

45:20

has sent us on a heck of

45:22

a good Run now

45:24

four games unbeaten ten points out of our

45:27

last twelve points available and in those playoff

45:29

spots And you know Hank who there's a

45:31

pretty good chance we would play in those

45:33

playoffs wait before you get there I would

45:35

want it for people who are confused about

45:37

everything. Let me summarize

45:41

Great ball game is a soccer

45:43

game It has 90 minutes

45:45

in it, but there are extra minutes

45:47

that happen at the end because of

45:50

extra time Rees because of injuries

45:52

because they don't stop the clock

45:54

during football breaks Exactly.

45:56

So the 94th minute is is

45:58

like the games are ended

46:00

and you're just in like God's time at

46:02

that point. It is literally, that's what they

46:04

call it, they call it God's time. Do

46:06

they? No, they don't. They call it extra

46:08

time but they should call it God's time.

46:10

It's God's time. Not only was

46:13

it God's time, it was the end of

46:15

God's time. You don't get much more than

46:17

four minutes of God's time. Oftentimes it's less

46:19

than four minutes of God's time. Right,

46:21

and it was essentially the last kick

46:24

of the ball, Ronan Curtis putting that

46:26

ball in the back of the franchise

46:28

net. Another... Running into

46:31

the fans. I mean... Yes, and giving

46:33

that ball boy the day of his

46:35

life. And also everyone was a

46:38

little worried for the ball boy. Also important

46:40

to note, I have never heard of Ronan

46:42

Curtis. Never heard this guy sing. You

46:45

talk about A.F.C.U. but in all the time never heard this

46:47

guy's name. Well he's

46:49

a new sign and we signed him in January. He's

46:52

recovering from an ACL injury and he's way too

46:54

good for league two and he's really only playing

46:56

with us to like finish his recovery. Okay, great.

46:59

So he's only gonna play with us until until

47:01

the end of the season and there is

47:04

a zero percent chance that we'll be able

47:06

to sign him after that which is what

47:08

makes this especially hilarious. That like the guy

47:10

who did this, this momentous thing is going

47:12

to be an A.F.C. Wimbledon player for all

47:14

of like 14 games. It's

47:17

also additionally important A.F.C.U. used to be the

47:19

the Dons, the MK Dons, used to be

47:21

the team that Wimbledon had but then they

47:24

were moved away by a rich guy who

47:26

was like I want a sports team and

47:28

he stole it and so the people of

47:30

the town of Wimbledon had to start a

47:33

new thing and they did and now they've

47:35

worked their way up to the same league

47:37

as the old team that they used to

47:39

have and so beating that team is a

47:41

very big deal. Additionally, something like eight teams,

47:43

the top eight

47:47

teams in the league then can play

47:49

to potentially move up to the next

47:51

league which is a very big deal

47:53

because then you get like more money

47:55

for various reasons when you're in a

47:58

higher league in the sport. American

48:00

sports where you buy your way into a league,

48:02

you have to fight your way in and if

48:04

you're not good enough you lose it and you

48:06

move down to a different league and that's Awful

48:09

and that and and so so there's

48:12

some teams that go automatically up I

48:14

think the top two is that right

48:17

the top three go from week two and three

48:19

or through seven are in the playoffs and then

48:21

Four through seven are in the playoffs another team

48:23

that will probably be in those playoffs is again

48:26

the bad guys That's

48:29

right the bad guys So you might

48:31

have to play the bad guys again

48:33

this season in a more high-stakes game.

48:35

I Would vomit I

48:38

would do anything not to play them. I just wanted

48:40

everybody to understand all of that First

48:43

off Hank. That's one of the most impressive. You're

48:45

a very impressive person You know a lot But

48:47

the fact that you know that much about league

48:49

two football almost makes me want to start crying

48:52

Like it makes me feel it makes me feel like

48:54

we were talking about earlier. It makes me feel mirrored

48:56

It makes me feel like you've been listening to me

48:58

all these years, and I really appreciate it I

49:01

feel mirrored empathized with and validated. It's

49:03

a beautiful feeling I love it But

49:07

yeah, all of this matters right more than

49:09

astrology. Sorry Such

49:15

a good rule. So anyway It's

49:18

so beautiful. It's so incredible We're

49:21

in seventh place as it stands right now

49:23

Actually, we would play crew Alexandria in the

49:25

playoffs and then potentially Milton Keynes in the

49:27

final at Wembley Which would I guess be

49:29

better because then we wouldn't have to go

49:31

to their place to play again I don't

49:33

know it would all be terrible Yeah, like

49:35

if let's get into the playoffs let's I

49:37

mean that would be a miracle result for

49:39

this season We were picked to finish like

49:42

20th, so if we could get into the playoffs, it

49:44

would just be incredible And

49:46

you guys continue to play well even after losing

49:48

Ali alhamdi. I Know

49:51

we've stopped scoring goals, but we've also stopped

49:53

giving away goals, which it turns out is

49:55

just about the same thing So we've been

49:57

playing great and I

49:59

miss Ali alhamdi But he's killing it in

50:01

the championship He's crushing it

50:03

up there. And of course he is so

50:05

I feel I feel really excited

50:07

for him And also for

50:10

all the players that we're gonna lose this summer who go up

50:17

Like my beloved Jack Curry but

50:21

But oh I'm so excited It's it's a great time

50:23

to be a dons fan and you don't get to

50:25

say that much about the team that's lost more games

50:27

in The last five years than any other English club

50:29

and professional football. Well, that's

50:32

very exciting John We are gonna

50:34

go do our patreon livestream. So

50:36

the podcast must end we are

50:38

already late That's right. We

50:41

gotta go if you want to send us

50:43

questions for the podcast. We love those It's

50:45

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50:47

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50:49

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50:51

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50:53

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50:55

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50:58

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51:00

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