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you don't think Dark Poutine is for you, continue to doctor immediately. The
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The The
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The Tim
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Bosma was a 32 year old
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family man from Ancaster, Ontario who
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went missing in May 2013 after
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taking two men for a test drive of his truck.
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They were later identified as Delon
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Millard, 27, heir to a
3:51
Canadian aviation empire and Mark
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Smitch, 24, a drug dealer
3:56
and aspiring rapper. uncover
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a disturbing web of deceit, violence,
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and the cold-blooded nature of Millard
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and Smitch. As we explore
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the details of this case, we'll set
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the stage for the equally harrowing events
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that would unfold in parts 2 and
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3 of this series, the murders of
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Laura Babcock, 23, Millard's
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ex-girlfriend in 2012, and
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Wayne Millard, Delon's father, also in
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2012. Join
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us as we delve into the chilling stories
4:27
of these two killers and the trail of
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devastation they left in their wake. This
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is Dark Poutine Episode 317, Shadows of Deception Part 1, the murder
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of Tim Bosma. Timothy
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Hank Bosma was born at Hamilton St. Joseph's
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Hospital on August 12, 1980 at 648 a.m.
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to his father's joyful exclamations.
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Tim tipped the scales at 8 pounds
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3 ounces growing up in a lively
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household with his parents Hank and Mary
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and three sisters. Tim was
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the cherished only boy. Jen, 6 years
5:06
older, and Michelle, 4 years older, were
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his big sisters. Another sister, Stephanie, arrived
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two years after Tim was born. His
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childhood was characterized by a close-knit
5:15
relationship with his siblings and a
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spirited demeanor often found playing with
5:19
his sisters and the neighborhood girls
5:21
until he began school. Known
5:24
for his strikingly pale complexion and
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bright blue eyes, his light duck
5:28
fluff blonde hair made him easily
5:31
recognizable and much loved among family
5:33
and friends. You
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mentioned he tipped the scales at 8 pounds
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3 ounces and not
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trying to compete with him. Right. But
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I was a whopping 9 and a half pounds
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when I was born. Oh my goodness. So probably
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half of that is your head. Actually,
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it's my hands and feet. Have you seen how
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big my hands and my feet are? You know
5:56
what that means. Big shoes and big gloves. I
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know. I like hobbit. feet. The
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family lived in Ancaster, Ontario.
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Ancaster, one of Ontario's oldest
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European communities was established in
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1793. Before European
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settlement, the area was
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inhabited by indigenous peoples, including
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the Haudenosaunee and Mississaugas who
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utilized the land for its
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abundant resources and strategic location.
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The community grew around the power
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of Ancaster Creek, evolving from a
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small milling center to a prosperous
6:30
town known for its agriculture and
6:32
mills. Despite significant growth,
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Ancaster has retained its historical
6:37
charm through preserved buildings and
6:39
traditional events, maintaining its unique
6:42
identity through the centuries. In
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2001, Ancaster was amalgamated into
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Hamilton, a move designed to
6:48
streamline governance and improve regional
6:51
service delivery. And today, Ancaster
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blends its rich heritage with
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the suburban lifestyle of a district within
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the larger city of Hamilton. So
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Hamilton, founded in 1816, has
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developed into a major Canadian
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industrial hub, renowned for
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steel production, steel town. The
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integration of Ancaster into Hamilton
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has fostered a symbolic relationship
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marrying Ancaster's historical and residential
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allure with Hamilton's urban and
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industrial strengths. This amalgamation
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allows Ancaster to leverage
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Hamilton's extensive urban infrastructure
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while contributing distinct historical
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and residential qualities. Ancaster
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is a really lovely town. I've
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never been. I've been to Hamilton, but
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I might have been to Ancaster and
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just not known it. Yeah, we used
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to hang out in Ancaster. It's just
7:43
nice. But our episode, the Hamilton Torso
7:45
Emitter, how could you, Mrs. Dick? Yeah.
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Actually took place in Ancaster. Mr. Dick's
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body is found near, I think it
7:54
was Sherman Falls in Ancaster. That's right.
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Tim Bosma's playful nature persisted as he
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grew off. engaging in practical
8:01
jokes that reflected his father's
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influence. Before transferring to
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Ancaster High School to pursue more
8:08
trade-oriented courses, he attended
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Calvin Christian School where his father
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was also a student. This change
8:14
aligned with his father's background in
8:16
HVAC trade which Tim soon adopted
8:18
as his own career path. Tim's
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fitness and size 6 foot 1
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inches tall made his physical work
8:25
easy. Demonstrating a robust work ethic
8:27
and his mother's frugality, Tim quickly
8:29
moved into the adult world of
8:31
work and property management. By
8:33
21 he owned his first home on
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East 43rd Street on Hamilton Mountain managing
8:38
it as a rental property while living in
8:41
the basement apartment. His commitment
8:43
to family was evident when he temporarily moved
8:45
back home to allow his sister and her
8:47
husband to use his house reflecting
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his generosity. I've been on that
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street it's just a few
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blocks away from where I went to school
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for three years. Okay, it
8:58
sounds like he was a really kind guy like
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I mean you know not everybody moves out of
9:02
a place to let your
9:04
sister move into it. No exactly, exactly
9:07
and I have to point this out
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though, Hamilton Mountain it's
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a Niagara escarpment, it ain't a mountain and
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now that I live in Vancouver I laugh
9:16
at Hamilton quote mountain.
9:18
Well it's like the North and
9:20
South Mountains in Nova Scotia, they're hills
9:22
as are the ski hills Wentworth and
9:24
Martauk, they're just like little bumps. Outside
9:29
of work Tim's life was filled
9:31
with adventurous hobbies including riding dirt
9:33
bikes and snowmobiles often
9:35
accompanied by laughter-filled gatherings with
9:37
friends. These gatherings were
9:40
a testament to his social nature
9:42
where bonfires and humorous antics were
9:44
commonplace. Despite a busy
9:46
social and professional life, Tim
9:49
prioritized family and was particularly devoted
9:51
to his nieces and nephews always
9:53
ready to stir up fun and
9:55
laughter. As he matured his
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role as the prankster remained endearing him
9:59
further to those around him, marking him
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as a vibrant and integral part of his
10:04
community. Tim was appreciated by
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those close to him for his
10:08
mischievous personality and infectious crazy laugh.
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This lightheartedness was a hallmark of
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his character often revealed in the
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playful teasing he enjoyed with family
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and friends. His family was
10:19
the core of Tim Bosma's life. He
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was a devoted and loving father
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to his two-year-old daughter, actively involved
10:26
in her upbringing and daily activities,
10:29
often including the family's great Dane
10:31
Ava. His dedication was
10:33
evident in moments like attending swimming
10:35
lessons and experiencing the milestone of
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changing his daughter's first diapers, moments
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he approached with care and a
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bit of trepidation, indicative of his
10:44
deep commitment and love. Bosma's
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relationship with his wife Charlene was
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one of mutual support and deep
10:51
affection. He was described
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as a regular average guy by
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Charlene, underscoring his role as
10:58
a hardworking and loving husband who cherished
11:00
the ordinary life they built together. His
11:03
down-to-earth nature made him relatable and
11:05
deeply valued within his community and
11:07
among his peers. His
11:10
playful spirit extended beyond his immediate family
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to his nieces and nephews with whom
11:14
he loved to play and joke at
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family gatherings. This loving attitude
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was a source of joy and laughter,
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contributing to the warm memories cherished by
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those who knew him best. Overall,
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Tim Bosma's life was characterized by his
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love for his family, his joyous approach
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to life, and the simple everyday moments
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he shared with those around him. You
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look at the picture of this guy
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and what you're saying and it just
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is so absolutely unfair
11:41
that this guy was
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obviously a good man.
11:45
A good egg. A
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stand-up guy, a good egg as we say on
11:50
the show, and for his life to end this
11:52
way is just so
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tragic and such a waste. In 2013, Tim wanted to
11:57
get rid of his boy. black
12:00
2007 Dodge Ram pickup, license
12:02
plate 72672W, which was a lemon according
12:04
to a Vice News
12:08
article. On April
12:10
28th, Charlene listed the truck for
12:12
sale on Kijiji and AutoTrader. The
12:15
ad read, For sale by owner, a 2007 Dodge Power
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Ram 3500 diesel 4x4 pickup truck, 170,000 km,
12:24
mostly highway, 5.9 liter
12:27
engine, extended cab, short box, grey
12:29
cloth interior, new transmission new brakes,
12:32
price $24,000, address, Ancaster, ON. The
12:38
ad received some interest and Tim agreed to allow
12:40
two men to drive the truck on the evening
12:42
of May 6th, 2013. Tim
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answered the door and went outside with the pair. As
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he left around 9.20pm, Tim told
12:50
Charlene he'd be right back. He
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watched as Tim climbed into the passenger seat
12:55
of his truck. Charlene saw the
12:57
strangers were two white males in their 20s. The
13:00
taller individual was described as being around
13:03
6'1 and weighing between 170 and 180 pounds.
13:08
He had short brown hair, appeared unshaven
13:10
and was dressed in jeans, an orange
13:12
long sleeve shirt and running shoes. The
13:14
shorter man stood about 5.9 to
13:17
5.10 with a small to medium build
13:19
and dark hair. He was
13:21
wearing a red hooded sweatshirt. The
13:23
taller man drove while the shorter man
13:25
sat in the back seat as the
13:27
truck pulled out of the Bosma family's
13:29
driveway. The hours passed
13:31
with no sign of Tim. Charlene
13:34
began to worry and called his cell
13:36
phone several times receiving no answer before
13:39
contacting the Hamilton police to report her
13:41
husband missing. She gave
13:43
the police all the information she had. Knowing
13:46
time was of the essence, early the
13:48
next morning Hamilton police issued a short
13:50
press release describing Tim Bosma, his truck
13:52
and the two men he'd last been
13:55
seen with. At a press conference
13:57
on May 8, 2013, police police
14:00
explain the customers typically contact sellers
14:02
on classified sites like Kijiji
14:04
via email. However, Tim Bosma had
14:07
listed his phone number in
14:09
the classified ad enabling direct contact.
14:12
This meant police could not obtain
14:14
information from the website's email records.
14:16
Nonetheless, with the help of Apple,
14:19
investigators extracted some details from Tim
14:21
Bosma's iPhone before it was switched
14:23
off or the battery died. Tim,
14:26
one thing that Tim was left
14:28
behind is hearing
14:31
that, I'm like, ugh, god, a lesson for
14:34
me is if
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I ever try to sell something to
14:39
set up a specific email account for selling
14:42
it and to be careful. I mean, it's
14:44
such a shame that I'm learning this through
14:46
the loss of Tim. I
14:48
never even thought of this. I just put my phone
14:51
on something as well probably.
14:53
Yeah, for convenience kind of thing.
14:55
This poor guy, you know,
14:57
so I think I'll take
14:59
that lesson. Police also
15:01
reported that two men matching the descriptions
15:03
of those in Tim Bosma's disappearance test
15:06
drove a truck in Toronto a day
15:08
before Tim went missing. The truck's
15:10
owner found their behavior suspicious and later
15:12
reported this to the Toronto police. They'd
15:15
walked to the location, a business within
15:17
an industrial area, which was unusual. The
15:20
Toronto man who'd encountered the pair noticed
15:23
something unique about the first suspect, the
15:25
taller man. He had the
15:27
word ambition tattooed on his wrist with
15:29
a box around it. The
15:32
hunt for Tim Bosma and the
15:34
apprehension of his abductors was Hamilton
15:36
police's largest operation in years. This
15:39
massive effort involved at least 150 officers,
15:42
primarily from Hamilton, demonstrating
15:45
a significant display of the
15:47
service's skills, training and commitment
15:49
of both officers and civilian
15:51
staff. The investigation
15:53
saw round the clock work from
15:55
homicide detectives. Search and rescue operations
15:58
were conducted on the ground. ground
16:00
and from the air with canine
16:02
and mounted units deployed. Divisional
16:05
detectives took the lead early in
16:07
the case, supported by a marine
16:09
unit on alert and forensic officers
16:11
at various scenes. Commanders
16:14
proactively allocated resources while uniformed
16:17
officers across the city were
16:19
called to assist. Victim
16:21
services were tasked with supporting Tim
16:23
Bosma's family. According
16:25
to Anne Brocklehurst's book, Dark
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Ambition, after Tim Bosma disappeared,
16:29
his family and friends from
16:32
the Ancaster Christian Reformed Church
16:34
community and acquaintances mobilized to
16:36
find him. They formed
16:38
search parties to comb through fields
16:40
and ditches until police intervened to
16:42
preserve potential evidence. The
16:44
search efforts were centralized in Tim
16:46
Bosma's garage, which they used as
16:48
a command center. Investigators
16:51
also launched a fine Tim Bosma
16:53
Facebook page and distributive missing persons
16:56
posters featuring his photo and truck
16:58
details across the region from Toronto
17:00
to Brantford. The mysterious
17:02
nature of his disappearance fueled
17:04
widespread rumors and speculation about
17:06
possible criminal motives such as
17:08
involvement in drugs, organized crime
17:10
or financial troubles. However, none
17:12
of these theories convincingly accounted
17:14
for the peculiar circumstances of
17:16
his abduction during the truck
17:19
theft. Tim wasn't involved in
17:21
any of that. On
17:23
May 9th at another press conference
17:26
at Hamilton Police headquarters, a tearful
17:28
Charlene Bosma spoke, begging for Tim's
17:30
safe return. Quote, This
17:32
does not feel like real life, Charlene
17:34
Bosma said. This only happens on TV
17:36
and in movies. As you
17:38
know, she continued, I watched
17:41
my husband drive away just after nine
17:43
o'clock Monday night. He smiled
17:45
at me and said he'd be right back and I have not
17:47
seen him since. You're all aware
17:49
that I saw the two men who
17:51
took my husband. You have already been
17:53
provided the description of these two individuals.
17:55
I ask you that if you see
17:57
anyone that closely matches this description of
17:59
these men. to please call the police.
18:02
You've seen pictures of Tim and his truck. Please,
18:04
please, if you see Tim or the
18:06
truck, contact police. My husband
18:08
Tim is a loving father to our beautiful
18:11
two-year-old and she needs her daddy back. His
18:13
parents need their little boy back. All
18:16
of our brothers and sisters want their brother back.
18:19
We look forward to being able to put our arms
18:21
around Tim and to tell him how much we love
18:23
him. We hope and pray
18:25
that today is the last day of this
18:27
nightmare. It was just a
18:30
truck. It's just a truck. You don't
18:32
need him, but I do and our
18:34
daughter needs her daddy back. So please,
18:36
please, let him come home. We need
18:38
him to come home and may
18:40
God have mercy on you, Charlene said.
18:43
Tim is my husband, he is my partner,
18:46
and he is my best friend. He is the love
18:48
of my life and the father of my child." Yeah,
18:52
this is so heartbreaking. Well, we
18:54
think we can understand what she's
18:56
going through. Yeah. It's probably a
18:58
thousand times worse than we can
19:00
even imagine. I can't even begin
19:02
to fathom. I can't even begin
19:04
to fathom it. On Friday,
19:06
May 10th, police announced that they found
19:08
Tim Bosma's cell phone in an industrial
19:10
area of Branford. The search of
19:13
the area turned up nothing else. However,
19:15
they also received a tip that Tim's
19:17
truck was seen in downtown Branford just
19:19
after 10 p.m. on Monday, the day
19:21
he disappeared. Investigators
19:23
asked businesses and individuals who may
19:25
have security cameras or footage of
19:27
the area from that night to
19:29
turn it over to police. They
19:32
determined that a burner phone had been used
19:34
to contact Tim. The phone
19:36
had been initially registered three months
19:38
before Tim went missing and records
19:40
showed that it was used primarily
19:43
around Etobicoke. This phone
19:45
was registered under the name Lucas
19:47
Bate, a pseudonym, as no
19:49
individual with that name could be identified.
19:52
The phone's registered address turned out to be
19:54
a high school, adding another layer
19:57
of mystery since no Lucas Bate was
19:59
associated with him. with that location. Dennis
20:02
Araho, who listed his 2006 black Dodge
20:05
pickup on AutoTrader concurrently with Tim
20:08
Bozma, also received a call from
20:10
the same phone number registered under
20:12
the name Lucas Bate. However,
20:14
Araho missed the call and could not
20:16
reach anyone when he attempted to call
20:18
back. In the days leading
20:20
up to this, phone records show the
20:23
Bate number had also contacted two other
20:25
men in the Toronto area attempting to
20:27
set up test drives of the trucks
20:29
they had listed for sale online. Omar
20:31
Palmillian Igor Timomenko. Timomenko
20:33
gave two men who matched the descriptions
20:36
of the suspects a test drive in
20:38
his 2010 Dodge Ram
20:40
on May 5th, but they
20:42
did not purchase the truck. Wow, these
20:44
guys must feel so lucky that they
20:46
didn't end up like poor Tim. Yeah,
20:49
it's crazy. On May 6th, there were
20:51
a series of calls between Tim Bozma's
20:53
phone and the phone registered under the
20:55
name Lucas Bate. Initially at
20:57
5.13pm Bozma's phone made a call to
20:59
the Bate phone. This was followed by
21:01
a call from the Bate phone to
21:03
Bozma's phone at 7.22pm and another call
21:07
from the Bate phone to Bozma's at 9.04pm. Investigators
21:12
also discovered that throughout the three months
21:14
of its usage, the phone had pinged
21:16
numerous times at a hangar belonging
21:19
to Millard Air at the
21:21
airport in Waterloo, Ontario. The
21:23
registered owner of the hangar was
21:25
Delon Millard, 27, who since his
21:28
father's death a year earlier was
21:30
the heir to the Millard Air
21:32
Empire. Police
21:34
pulled Millard's cell phone records, compared them
21:36
to the Bate phone and saw how
21:38
they lined up perfectly. Millard's phone was
21:40
always with the Bate phone when it
21:42
was on. Millard also
21:45
had an ambition tattoo on his
21:47
wrist. He was arrested
21:49
on May 10th and charged on
21:51
May 11th with forcible confinement and
21:53
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became a pilot very young. In
24:01
1999, at 14, Delon Millard
24:03
made headlines by becoming the youngest Canadian
24:05
to fly solo in an airplane and
24:07
a helicopter on the same day. Educated
24:11
in private schools, Delon was known
24:13
for his intelligence and ambition. He
24:16
inherited his father's entrepreneurial spirit and
24:18
was involved in several business ventures
24:20
from a young age, including attempts
24:23
to expand the scope of Millard
24:25
Air's operations. Delon was
24:27
often described as charismatic and popular
24:29
among his peers. He
24:31
was also known for his love
24:33
of cars and mechanics, a passion
24:35
that extended beyond airplanes. Delon took
24:37
over Millard Air's operations after his father,
24:39
Wayne Millard, who had taken charge of
24:41
the company following Carl Millard's death, passed
24:43
away in 2012, dying by apparent suicide.
24:49
Under Delon's leadership, the company underwent
24:51
significant changes, including opening a new
24:53
hangar at the Waterloo International Airport,
24:55
which was intended to transition the
24:58
business from aviation maintenance to a
25:00
full service operation, catering to
25:02
the needs of private pilots and corporate
25:04
clients. Apart from his
25:06
professional life, Delon was known for his
25:09
adventurous spirit and love of the outdoors.
25:11
He was an avid skydiver and
25:14
often participated in car rallies
25:16
and other motorsports, showcasing his
25:18
passion for thrill-seeking activities. Despite
25:21
his affluent background and active social
25:23
life, those who knew him
25:25
described him as approachable and down-to-earth, with
25:27
a tendency to push the boundaries in
25:29
his personal and professional endeavors. Millard
25:32
was not talking to the police. Without
25:35
his help, investigators would have to
25:37
piece together what happened to Tim
25:39
Bosma and his truck using the
25:41
evidence they gathered and identify other suspects
25:43
through other means. On
25:46
Sunday, May 12, Mother's Day,
25:48
Tim Bosma's mother Mary made a
25:50
statement at another press conference. Quote,
25:53
Even though there's been an arrest, he is still not
25:55
home with us, Mary Bosma said, her voice shaking as
25:57
she made her plea to the media. My
26:00
heart is broken. I love him so much.
26:03
We just want him home, she said. Additionally,
26:06
she expressed her mother's day wish, quote,
26:08
to have him home again with his
26:10
wife, daughter and other relatives, end quote.
26:13
Adding to the evidence against Dell
26:16
and Millard, investigators found Tim Bosma's
26:18
truck stashed inside a trailer at
26:20
the home of Millard's mother in
26:22
the Toronto suburb of Kleinburg. When
26:25
examined, the truck had Bosma's blood
26:27
inside, later confirmed by DNA, a
26:30
spent bullet casing, gunshot residue,
26:33
and the front passenger window had been
26:35
broken out. Millard had
26:37
made arrangements to disguise the truck's identity
26:39
by having it repainted and repaired in
26:42
an auto body shop which he frequented.
26:45
He also attempted to move potential
26:47
evidence, giving a toolbox to an
26:49
associate that analysis later revealed contained
26:51
gunshot residue. In what appeared to
26:54
some people in effort to distance
26:56
themselves from Tim Bosma's disappearance and
26:58
ensure their users' safety, on
27:01
May 13th, Kijiji released a statement about
27:03
the incident in a blog post titled,
27:06
Online Safety. The post
27:08
read, quote, our thoughts are
27:10
with the family and community of a
27:12
missing Ancaster man during this very difficult
27:14
time. Kijiji has been in
27:17
contact with the Hamilton police and
27:19
has provided them with information that may
27:21
be helpful in their investigation. We
27:23
confirmed to the police that the
27:26
ad posted by Mr. Bosma on
27:28
Kijiji did not feature personal contact
27:30
information, nor did it receive
27:32
any replies which determines the incident did
27:35
not occur as a result of
27:37
the ad posting on Kijiji. We
27:39
understand the Hamilton police have made an arrest
27:41
in the case and moving forward, we will
27:43
continue to assist the police in their investigation.
27:46
The safety of our users is
27:48
a top priority for Kijiji. We
27:51
work with local and international law
27:53
enforcement agencies so our users can
27:55
connect in a safe online community
27:57
to engage in commerce and trading
27:59
locally. The post
28:01
also included tips on staying I
28:07
don't think necessarily you described it
28:09
as distancing themselves I actually think
28:11
well some people thought that yeah But the
28:13
people at Kajiji were probably horrified that this
28:15
happened to Tim of course they were of
28:18
course they were and they did the Right
28:20
thing they let people know they were helping
28:22
right in any way they could and You
28:25
know if I own Kajiji I'd
28:27
have done the same thing exactly what they
28:29
did right I would have helped the police
28:31
and then I would have put tips on
28:33
how to be safe Yeah, you know blaming
28:35
somebody like Kajiji is like you know
28:38
If somebody like agrees to meet somebody
28:40
over the telephone are gonna blame the
28:42
telephone company no, right, right A
28:45
day later on May 14th to the
28:47
devastation of all involved the police announced
28:50
the discovery of Tim Bozma's remains The
28:53
investigation centers around properties connected to
28:55
Dell and Millard Including
28:57
a rural field he purchased for eight hundred
29:00
and thirty five thousand dollars in air in
29:03
2011 with significant police presence
29:05
and search activity Millard
29:08
who had no previous criminal record
29:10
was subsequently charged with first-degree murder
29:14
His lawyer claimed the alleged killing was
29:16
quote completely out of character for the
29:18
young CEO and investor describing
29:21
him as humble balanced and
29:23
good-natured as The
29:25
investigation expanded police warned
29:27
of more suspects and charges to
29:29
follow on May 20th 2013
29:33
police arrested Mark smidge the 24 year
29:35
old man from Oakville He
29:38
was known to locals as an
29:40
aspiring rapper who often expressed his
29:42
life experiences and aspirations through his
29:44
music Smitches interests in the arts
29:46
extended to painting and writing which
29:49
were other creative outlets he pursued
29:52
Despite his artistic inclinations. He
29:54
faced several personal and professional
29:56
challenges that stymied potential career
29:58
development Smitch's life was
30:01
marked by a series of run-ins
30:03
with the law primarily related to
30:05
minor drug offenses and petty thefts,
30:07
which suggested struggles with substance abuse
30:10
and financial instability. These
30:12
legal issues contributed to a
30:14
somewhat tumultuous lifestyle impacting his
30:16
personal relationships and living situations.
30:20
Despite these setbacks, Smitch maintained
30:22
close ties with a small circle of
30:24
friends who shared similar interests in music
30:26
and art. Financially, Smitch
30:28
was often reliant on odd jobs and
30:31
the support of friends and family. He
30:34
did not have steady employment, compounding
30:36
his struggles with legal issues and
30:38
personal stability. His relationship
30:40
with family was complex, marked
30:42
by support and strain due to
30:44
his lifestyle choices. In
30:47
his community, Smitch was sometimes seen as a
30:49
troubled yet talented individual who hadn't yet
30:51
found a way to fully realize his potential
30:55
or break away from the cycles of
30:57
instability that characterized his life before his
30:59
arrest. His involvement
31:01
with Delon Millard, stemming from shared
31:03
interests and social circles, eventually led
31:05
to a deeper association that would
31:08
have significant implications for his future.
31:11
Cell phone data placed Millard and Smitch's
31:14
phones traveling from the greater Toronto area
31:16
through Oakville and finally pinging near Tim
31:18
Bosma's home in Ancaster on the night
31:20
of May 6th around the time of
31:22
the test drive. Their
31:25
phones were shut off immediately after, going
31:27
inactive for just a short distance from
31:29
the residents while Bosma was inside the
31:31
truck with them. Hours
31:33
later, surveillance footage from Millard
31:36
Air Aviation Hangar near Waterloo
31:38
captured Tim Bosma's missing truck
31:40
arriving and parking outside
31:42
towing a large trailer carrying
31:44
an incinerator dubbed the Eliminator.
31:48
The footage also showed the truck
31:50
and trailer being followed closely by
31:52
an SUV similar to the GMC
31:54
Yukon owned by Millard. One
31:56
of Millard's employees at the hangar, Arthur
31:58
Jennings, saw what a appeared to
32:00
be Tim's truck inside in the
32:02
following days and took photos of
32:05
its vehicle identification number, Vin, after
32:07
recognizing that it could be the
32:09
vehicle belonging to the missing man
32:11
based on the widespread media coverage.
32:14
You know, good for him. It's great that
32:16
he had the awareness and the wherewithal to
32:19
A. notice and B.
32:21
do that. In the days after
32:23
Tim Bosma's disappearance, Delon Millard made
32:25
numerous comments to his associates like
32:28
his girlfriend, Christina Nudga, roommate
32:30
Andrew Michalski, and his mechanic indicating
32:33
that he'd stolen a truck and
32:35
the owner was dead. Smitch
32:38
also privately told his girlfriend, Marlene
32:41
Meneses, that he had been present
32:43
when Millard stole Tim Bosma's truck
32:45
and that Millard had shot and
32:48
killed Bosma, stating, he's gone, gone,
32:50
gone. Incriminating evidence began
32:53
to mount, including Tim Bosma's
32:55
DNA being discovered on the
32:57
incinerator found at the Millard
32:59
air hanger property, as
33:01
well as on a pair of gloves in Millard's
33:03
possession when he was arrested on May 10th. Forensic
33:06
analysis of burned bone fragments inside
33:09
the incinerator determined they were from
33:11
a human male around Bosma's age.
33:14
The disappearance of Delon Millard's ex-girlfriend,
33:17
Laura Babcock, also bubbled to the
33:19
surface at this time. As
33:22
her last phone calls were to Delon Millard's
33:24
phone on July 3rd, 2012, there
33:27
were concerted efforts made to search for
33:29
her remains on Millard's properties as well.
33:32
None were found. However, while
33:34
the police and Crown were building the case
33:37
against Millard and Smitch for Tim Bosma's murder,
33:40
both men were already the
33:42
prime suspects in Laura Babcock's
33:44
disappearance. They were also
33:46
having another look at the apparent suicide
33:48
of Millard's father, Wayne. Delon
33:51
inherited quite a tidy sum after
33:53
his father's death, and money
33:55
is often a motive for murder, as we
33:57
all know. Tim Bosma's
33:59
family Family and friends packed a memorial service
34:01
for the slain husband and father on May
34:03
22, 2013,
34:06
held in the same banquet hall where Tim
34:09
Bosma and his wife celebrated their wedding. Friends
34:12
and family shared heartfelt memories. His
34:15
friend Gary Kickert recalled how
34:17
Bosma's firm approach helped him
34:19
to overcome alcoholism while his
34:22
sister, Michelle Denbach, and
34:24
his father, Hank Bosma, fondly shared
34:26
memories of his infectious laughter and
34:28
playful teasing, particularly with
34:30
the children at family gatherings. His
34:33
stepfather, Steven Zeilstra, reminisced
34:35
about Bosma's mischievous smile
34:37
and his father-in-law, Louis
34:40
Veenstra, praised his nurturing
34:42
role as a father. The
34:44
service, led by Pastor John
34:46
Veenstra, celebrated Bosma's life, emphasizing
34:48
his love for family and
34:50
his everyman persona without idealizing
34:52
him as a saint. You
34:55
know, there's a good list of Dutch
34:57
names there, Mike. Yeah, I noticed that.
35:00
Yeah, Southwestern Ontario has a really big
35:02
Dutch community, and actually my
35:04
one aunt and my one uncle married into
35:07
Dutch families. And
35:09
the one thing I'm happy about in
35:11
seeing those names is, you know, if
35:13
they're anything like my extended family, you
35:16
know, Tim's family would have had a lot
35:18
of love and support at
35:20
this hard time from the Dutch
35:23
community, right? The
35:25
Dutch are very good at... Taking
35:29
care of their own. Stepping up.
35:31
Well, not just their own, but
35:33
others. In the community, yes. Stepping
35:36
up and being on the front
35:38
line of helping. That's my experience,
35:41
my Dutch family and neighbors anyway.
35:44
According to the Hamilton Spectator newspaper,
35:46
following Tim Bosma's disappearance, his wife
35:48
Charlene faced profound grief, particularly feeling
35:50
the weight of each passing month.
35:52
She described the agony of marking
35:55
each new month without Tim, a
35:58
pain accentuated by significant like
36:00
Valentine's Day and their wedding anniversary. Even
36:02
small reminders like a pet fish Tim
36:04
had bought for their daughter or his
36:07
belongings around the house deepened her sorrow
36:09
on such occasions. Charlene
36:11
took steps to preserve Tim's memory for
36:13
their daughter, who was three at the
36:15
time and often cried out for her
36:17
father during nighttime leg cramps, a pain
36:19
Tim also experienced as a child. Charlene
36:23
compiled scrapbooks and collected stories about
36:25
Tim from friends to help her
36:27
daughter remember her father. The
36:29
Bosma family, including Tim's parents,
36:32
Hank and Mary, navigated their
36:34
grief through daily reminders and
36:36
public sympathy, which often felt
36:39
overwhelming. They found comfort in
36:41
their faith and the support of
36:43
their community, evident in gestures like
36:45
receiving flowers and gift cards from
36:47
friends. Hank and Mary's grief was
36:49
palpable in every aspect of their
36:51
lives, from daily routines to family
36:53
gatherings at Tim's gravesite, where they
36:55
celebrated his life with symbolic gestures
36:57
like releasing balloons. The
37:00
family also established a charity in
37:02
Tim's memory to help other families
37:04
affected by homicide, emphasizing their commitment
37:06
to honoring his legacy beyond their
37:09
personal loss. These
37:11
ongoing support and remembrance activities
37:13
reflected their efforts to cope
37:15
with the tragedy and keep
37:17
Tim's memory alive. It
37:19
sounds like a cliché, but Tim's
37:22
murder really underscores this as fact.
37:25
When someone like Tim gets murdered,
37:27
it is really deeply felt amongst
37:30
many people, like those ripples that
37:33
go out of grief, right? Yeah.
37:35
And the pain the Bosma family
37:37
had was palpable and I'm sure
37:39
it's not gone away. No, definitely
37:42
not. On April 10, 2014, Christina Nudga, the
37:46
Delon Millard's girlfriend at the time of
37:49
Tim Bosma's murder, was charged with being
37:51
an accessory after the fact. She
37:54
gave a lengthy statement to police after
37:56
her arrest, admitting to her involvement in
37:58
the aftermath of Bosma's killing. killing. Nudga
38:01
confessed that on May 9, 2013,
38:05
just days after Tim Bozma went missing, she
38:08
was with Millard and helped transport
38:10
the trailer containing Bozma's truck from
38:12
Millard's aviation hangar to his mother's
38:14
home in Kleinburg, Ontario. Nudga
38:17
returned to the trailer in the
38:19
following days and wiped down her
38:21
fingerprints to cover her tracks. When
38:24
Millard was arrested on May 10, he had
38:26
latex gloves with him. It
38:28
was through forensic testing that Tim Bozma's DNA
38:30
was found on the outside of one of
38:33
these gloves. Nudga admitted
38:35
to police that she had worn the
38:37
same gloves while assisting Millard on May
38:39
9, as he was removing
38:41
potential evidence from the hangar related to
38:43
Tim Bozma's murder. Through
38:45
her statement, Nudga implicated herself
38:47
as being aware of the crime
38:49
and taking steps alongside Dela Millard
38:52
in the days immediately following to
38:54
help conceal and destroy evidence linking
38:56
him to Bozma's disappearance and death.
38:59
In 2016, Dela Millard and Mark
39:01
Smitch went to trial for Tim Bozma's
39:03
murder. The crown alleged that Millard and
39:06
Smitch had planned for more than a
39:08
year to steal a truck, kill
39:10
its owner, and then incinerate the
39:12
body. A forensic expert
39:15
testified that the remains found
39:17
inside the incinerator on Millard's
39:19
farm, while confirmed to be
39:21
human, were mostly reduced
39:23
to ashes. This extreme
39:25
burning destroys any possible DNA
39:27
evidence. The limited
39:30
bone fragments and partial tooth
39:32
recovered were too damaged to
39:34
identify as Bozmas through DNA
39:36
or dental records positively. The
39:39
forensic expert stated that
39:41
the remains were insufficient to determine a
39:43
cause of death. A forensic
39:45
dentist corroborated this saying the
39:48
heat-damaged tooth fragment could not
39:50
be definitely linked to Bozma
39:52
due to the inability to
39:54
extract DNA. Separately, police
39:56
testimony described finding a digital video
39:58
recorder, D.A., hidden in
40:01
a closet at the home of Christina
40:03
Nudga, Millard's girlfriend during a 2014 search.
40:07
Prosecutors allege Millard took this DVR from
40:09
his aviation hangar and gave it to
40:11
Nudga to hold, claiming it contained video
40:13
footage of Millard and Smitch at the
40:15
hangar around 1.30 a.m. on May 7th.
40:20
Around the time, prosecutors believed Tim
40:22
Bosma's body was being incinerated on
40:24
the property after he was murdered.
40:28
As forensic evidence from the remains
40:30
proved insufficient to conclusively tie to
40:32
Tim Bosma, this potential video
40:35
evidence was a key piece of the
40:37
prosecution's case, tying the two
40:39
accused to the crime scene. On
40:42
the stand, Mark Smitch claimed that
40:44
Delon Millard was responsible for shooting,
40:47
killing, and burning Tim Bosma. The
40:50
cross-examination of Smitch by Delon Millard's
40:52
lawyer, Nadir Sachak, took center stage
40:55
at the murder trial. Sachak's
40:57
questioning zeroed in on Smitch's testimony
40:59
about the critical events the night
41:01
Tim Bosma was killed. A
41:04
key point of contention was who pulled the trigger
41:06
and shot the father of one. Smitch
41:09
maintained under oath that he was
41:11
not inside Bosma's truck when Delon
41:13
Millard fired the fatal shots. However,
41:16
this directly contradicted previous testimony
41:18
about text messages Millard sent to
41:21
his girlfriend at the time, which
41:23
implied Smitch was the one who shot
41:26
Bosma. With both co-accused
41:28
blaming the other for the actual
41:30
killing, Sachak grilled Smitch
41:32
relentlessly on the discrepancies and
41:34
worked to poke holes in
41:36
his version of that fateful
41:38
night's events. To paint
41:40
Smitch as the killer, Millard's lawyer displayed some
41:43
of Mark Smitch's lyrics for the jury, including
41:46
lines like, Get slapped with
41:48
my gun hand, motherfucker, spelled
41:51
with a P-H, Leave you
41:53
dead with some contraband, motherfucker,
41:56
And, quote, My 380 is no stranger. When
42:00
I'm angered, you're in danger and
42:02
quote. Oh God What?
42:04
Why do people celebrate music like
42:06
this? I just sent getting know
42:09
Paul Bernardo was a rapper to
42:11
their on the is it these
42:13
like them murder a rap. Tittered.
42:16
Sick Bay Ominous Kids need better
42:18
heroes Man Race. While. These these
42:20
two are like grown kids. You.
42:23
Know us and when wet but I love
42:25
is like. White middle class.
42:30
Yes, in Sicily it has nothing
42:32
so pathetic, right? Know it's silly.
42:35
Surtax. Press match on whether
42:37
he understood slapped to be street
42:40
slang for killing someone with Smith's
42:42
denied when Smith claim the lyrics
42:44
were simply an artistic expression which
42:46
had nothing to do with reality.
42:48
Said Jack question how realistic his
42:50
defense was given the violent imagery.
42:53
The prosecutor also showed the jury
42:55
a video recording of Smith's performing
42:58
one of his wraps, allowing them
43:00
to directly access the aggressive content
43:02
and delivery for themselves as potential
43:04
insight into Smitty mindset and capacity
43:07
for violence. Marlena, Manassas
43:09
Marksmen. His girlfriend was a key
43:11
prosecution witness. She testified that after
43:13
Bars was disappearance. Smith told her
43:16
quote. He told me that Mr.
43:18
Bazemore was gone, gone. He.
43:20
Said that Dell Millard murdered him
43:22
and quote that he shot him
43:24
and quote. Manassas, Claim
43:26
quote. I believe Smith's told
43:28
me that they burned him but admitted
43:31
quote I didn't want to know anything
43:33
and quote. She. Recalled urging Smit
43:35
to come clean and go to the
43:37
police. About Bosnia's murder Minister stated that
43:39
Smith's told her that he wrap the
43:41
murder weapon and duct tape and buried
43:44
it somewhere. Somewhere. In a
43:46
forest. She. Describes Mrs Closeness with
43:48
Millard Quote: Mark cared for Dell and
43:50
more than any other person. He was
43:53
in love with him and poked. Manassas,
43:56
overheard dell an unmarked discuss stealing
43:58
a truck beforehand the failed to
44:00
stop them. On May 6th, she
44:02
spoke to Smitch saying, quote, I was
44:05
very scared. I knew that they were going
44:07
to steal a truck end quote. After
44:09
their arrest, Smitch yelled at her telling her
44:12
not to say anything he had told her
44:14
about Tim Bosma. Contrarily,
44:17
Millard's lawyer argued that it was Smitch
44:19
who accidentally shot Bosma while attempting to
44:21
steal his truck on a nearby highway.
44:24
However, the judge instructed the jury
44:26
of seven men and seven women
44:28
who were alternates to dismiss Millard's
44:30
narrative as it lacked
44:33
evidential support. The judge, just
44:35
as Andrew Goodman, clarified that there
44:37
was no evidence to suggest the
44:39
shooting occurred on Highway 403 or
44:42
that it was accidental. So
44:44
the lawyer gave it the good old, it was
44:46
an accident try, did he? No, they all do.
44:49
Yep. When they do that though,
44:51
it really smacks of desperation.
44:53
When a lawyer does that, it
44:56
was an accident, you know, they're like
44:58
grasping for straws at that point. Yeah.
45:00
Justice Goodman further explained that both Millard
45:02
and Smitch could be convicted of murder
45:04
regardless of who fired the shot if
45:07
it was proven that the other had
45:09
assisted or encouraged the act. He
45:11
also noted the absence of reliable
45:13
evidence regarding the exact circumstances of
45:15
the shooting, including the time of
45:17
death or positions of the shooter
45:19
and the deceased. Ultimately,
45:21
the jury was tasked with determining the
45:24
fate of each accused separately, considering
45:26
charges ranging from not guilty
45:29
to first-degree murder, second-degree murder
45:31
or manslaughter. On June 13, 2016,
45:35
the jury was sequestered and began their
45:37
deliberations. Four days later, there was a
45:39
verdict. Tim Bosma's family
45:41
smiled and cried tears of relief
45:43
when Millard and Smitch were found
45:46
guilty of first-degree murder. The
45:48
verdict triggered celebrations both inside
45:50
the courtroom and on the
45:52
streets outside. Charlene Bosma
45:55
later spoke to the crowd outside
45:57
the courtroom. Here's some audio
45:59
as we read. recorded by Global News.
46:30
I'm glad to endure being near the two men
46:32
that walked out my driveway on May 6, 2013
46:36
and took away the bright lights in our
46:38
lives that was tipped. It
46:42
is their own unspeakable evil
46:44
acts that have taken away
46:46
their freedom. We'll
46:48
sing as unfair. What
46:51
is unfair is that
46:54
now that this chapter is over,
46:56
we have to truly begin building
46:58
our lives. What
47:01
is unfair is that regardless
47:03
of all that has transpired in the
47:05
courtroom today, one thing
47:08
will never change for us. There
47:11
is one absolute constant for
47:13
us. This
47:15
does not bring Tim back and
47:18
he will still never come home. For
47:22
Tim's murderers, their life sentence begins
47:24
now and ours
47:26
began over three years ago when
47:28
they murdered Tim. That
47:33
being said, although
47:36
we endure a life sentence without Tim,
47:39
we have learned to collectively laugh again,
47:41
to smile
47:45
and embrace what we still have. We
47:48
have memories, a lot
47:51
of very beautiful memories. For
47:54
myself, I made a choice a long time
47:56
ago. I Choose to remind myself
47:58
that for every day, I will be here. The thing that has
48:00
happened in the last three years. I
48:03
am blessed. I
48:05
saw how much for which to be thankful.
48:09
I was fortunate enough to says four
48:11
and a half years. with
48:13
a wonderful man Super Three of
48:16
years I got sell in my
48:18
has said. Pizza
48:20
rate. And
48:23
I've always going to more and foot were
48:25
never going to house the the we're we're never
48:28
going to be able to share together. But
48:31
I will celebrate. But
48:33
we weren't able full house because
48:35
every one of those moments tests.
48:40
I feel honored to have a beautiful
48:42
tiles as ten that call me mom.
48:45
And see is our miracle baby in
48:47
so many ways. I
48:50
am grateful for the time six him and
48:52
I were able to spend together as our
48:55
own little family. Was
48:57
him may have been so. and
48:59
sunshine never will. The. We're.
49:03
All say thoughts as a village of
49:05
people that surround us all. Saints
49:11
it worded. I. Love. That.
49:14
of how those and prayers and in their
49:17
accident. Our families as
49:19
a rule have been so very blessed
49:21
by our communities. Same.
49:24
And I were surrounded by a
49:26
circle of friends comprised of incredible
49:28
inspiring individuals. They
49:31
have endured miles a night in from
49:33
here and sobbing phone calls. In.
49:35
The beginning saying night after night. Been
49:38
a listening ear for nice. They.
49:40
Dropped everything and to come
49:42
through every possible road and
49:44
street in this province. Swinton
49:46
went missing. For.
49:49
My daughter and I are they are other
49:51
family. we
49:53
had fun and ingratitude see
49:56
the teams of police officers
49:58
detective services,
50:01
the victim witness assistance program, and those
50:05
incredible crown attorneys upstairs.
50:13
They have all worked so hard to
50:15
achieve justice for Tim. It
50:18
is through their hard work and perseverance that
50:20
we are here at this moment. It
50:23
was their long day, long day,
50:25
long night, and even longer weekend
50:27
spent away from their families that
50:30
we were able to achieve
50:34
today's verdict. Words
50:37
will never fully express
50:41
just how much they are appreciated for
50:43
just doing their job,
50:47
which they have frequently told us they're just
50:49
doing their job, but they
50:51
have done it so well. Each
50:55
and every one of them will forever hold
50:57
a very special place in our heart. We
51:01
also have an abundance of thanks for the
51:03
jury. Each of them
51:05
gave so much of themselves to sit on that
51:08
jury for such a lengthy trial.
51:11
Time away from their failings, their
51:14
job, and their daily lives
51:16
to sit and listen and
51:18
eventually to come to a judgment. I
51:22
cannot imagine how stressful
51:25
and difficult the distance has been on
51:27
them. We
51:29
have prayed for them every day and will
51:32
continue to do so as they re-enter
51:34
their lives. May you
51:37
all be blessed. Over
51:40
the last three years we had only begun
51:42
to learn to rebuild, to
51:45
learn to move forward here in
51:47
Kingston with us. Now
51:49
the real work begins because
51:52
our story does not end
51:54
here. Mollard
52:06
and Smich were sentenced to life
52:08
imprisonment with no parole eligibility for 25
52:10
years, but
52:12
the investigations into the two were by
52:14
no means concluded. As we mentioned in
52:16
2012, Delon Mollard's ex-girlfriend
52:18
Laura Babcock disappeared without a
52:21
trace, and after the collection
52:23
of evidence, Smich and Mollard had since been
52:25
charged with her murder. Additionally,
52:27
evidence pointed to Delon Mollard as
52:30
the suspect in his father's death.
52:34
In the next episode, part two of the
52:36
three-part series, we'll learn more about
52:38
the life and death of Laura Babcock. Then,
52:40
in part three, we'll uncover what
52:43
happened to Wayne Mollard. And
52:45
that's it for Dark Poutine episode 317, Shadows of
52:47
Deception Part 1, The Murder of Tim
52:51
Bosma. What a wasted life.
52:53
Oh my gosh. Anyway,
52:56
we wanted to mention before we
52:58
go to voicemails, episode
53:01
276, The Shooting of Jacob
53:03
Sansom and Maurice Cardinal,
53:08
one of the killers, Roger
53:10
Bilodeau, has just received day
53:12
parole. And Sarah
53:15
Sansom, who is the
53:17
wife of Jacob, is in
53:19
our yumber yard, and she's quite upset about
53:21
that, of course. Of course she is.
53:25
You know my feelings about... I've
53:27
shared them many times, Mike, about parole.
53:32
And this one really
53:36
hit my heart, you know? After
53:38
we did that story, you inevitably feel a
53:41
bit of a connection, even though
53:43
we didn't know him. Yeah. Them,
53:45
sorry. And I feel for
53:47
her and her family, and yeah,
53:50
I just wanted to make sure that we let
53:52
our listeners know that
53:54
once again, somebody who's done something
53:57
that horrible is out on day
53:59
parole. to be with his family when
54:02
Sarah and her
54:04
family don't have their
54:07
loved ones at home with them anymore. And
54:10
it's unfair and it's horrible and
54:12
something's got to change. That's
54:27
right. It's time for voicemails. You
54:31
can leave us a message at 1-877-327-5786 or
54:36
1-877-DARK-PTS. We'd love to
54:38
hear from you. Let's
54:41
see who called us this week. Let's
54:44
listen to our first voicemail. Hello,
54:49
Mike and Matthew. This is Elaine
54:51
calling from Williams Lake, BC. I've
54:53
been listening to the show forever.
54:55
Mike, I was at The Real
54:57
for the taping, live taping, episode
55:00
100, hoping that I can
55:02
see you guys live again at some point. I'm
55:05
calling today because I just heard Matthew's
55:08
comment that it's okay sometimes to laugh
55:10
at funerals and that brought up this
55:12
story. It was
55:14
1991. My grandmother had just passed away. My
55:18
kids were eight and ten at the time.
55:21
And we were taking the funeral
55:23
home's limousine from Richmond into
55:26
Burnaby to the cemetery and
55:28
it seemed to be taking
55:30
forever. In the car was the,
55:33
you know, very staid limousine driver,
55:35
my parents, my youngest sister, and
55:37
her husband, and my
55:39
family. So we are driving and
55:42
driving and finally we come over a rise
55:44
in the hill and there's
55:46
the cemetery and somebody goes, oh, there it
55:48
is. And my 10-year-old
55:50
son pipes up. People
55:53
are dying to get there. Well,
55:56
I thought the poor limo driver was going
55:58
to drive off the road. His
56:00
shoulders were shaking so bad,
56:04
but it did break up a little bit
56:06
of attention. However, it was my dad's mom
56:08
that had passed away and dad's in the
56:10
car listening to his beloved grandson saying stuff
56:12
like that. Anyways, I
56:14
hope you guys have a great day. Love
56:17
the show. Can't say you know
56:19
what. So we'll just leave
56:21
it at that. Take care. There
56:24
must be little ears about. Oh
56:28
gosh. Yeah. It's a, I don't
56:30
know. My Mike, you've, you've met
56:32
members of my family and, and you
56:35
know, that we are a very jokey
56:37
sort of family, right? Having fun,
56:40
always having a laugh. And it's,
56:42
it's, it's how we deal with
56:44
things sometimes is just via humor.
56:46
Yeah. Yep. I mean, so
56:48
I get it. I, I get it.
56:51
It's hilarious. I mean, that's how, uh,
56:54
my grandmother's funeral, my, uh, dad's
56:56
mom, she passed away in
56:58
1993, I believe. And
57:02
so at the funeral we
57:04
walk in, my sister and I are sort of together
57:06
and mom, dad are ahead and, uh,
57:09
they had, I was expecting a
57:12
full body, uh, like a casket,
57:14
but there was a, there was a,
57:16
an urn at the front and,
57:19
and I turned to my sister and
57:21
I said, well, there, I guess that's our grandmother, but
57:23
I don't know how they fit her in there. Oh
57:26
gosh. And everybody
57:28
just sort of giggled a little bit. I
57:31
mean, she was, she was very, very old
57:33
and, and she'd been suffering for quite some
57:35
time, so it was a bit
57:37
of relief when she passed away because
57:39
she wasn't in a good way for a
57:41
long time, but anyway, um,
57:44
let's move on. Here's
57:46
our next voicemail you heard from
57:48
Lauren Novak, who, uh, was the
57:50
brother of one of the boys on the
57:52
tracks from that episode, which
57:54
is interesting. Um, he, he left
57:57
his phone number as well, so we won't play that
57:59
on the. on the show but
58:01
it's interesting that he said it
58:03
was a good episode so we'll give him a call
58:05
he says he's got more info. Yeah let's do that.
58:08
Here's another. Howdy boys this is Donny
58:10
from Pickett County, Nova Scotia. I got
58:13
a couple ideas for future shows.
58:16
You guys did the Hillcrest Mining Disaster there
58:18
in I think it was like somewhere
58:21
in the hundreds and you guys did the Empress of
58:23
Ireland. I got a couple more ideas for
58:25
a show. How about you guys
58:28
cover the Westway Mining Disaster and
58:30
the wreck of the SS Atlantic.
58:33
Love the show. Go take a shoot in your hat
58:36
boys. Yeah there you go.
58:39
Yes we did cover both of those
58:41
and those other two that you mentioned
58:43
are definitely on the list to do.
58:46
So we may be doing a disaster episode
58:48
here pretty soon. Or
58:51
two. Or two. Of
58:53
a sense of it. Thank you for calling. Yeah.
58:55
This week's voicemails. Again you
58:58
can leave us one at 1-877-327-5786 or 1-877-DARKPTN. We'd
59:07
love to hear from you even if it is just to
59:09
say hi and to tell us to go shit in our
59:12
hats. If you're stumped for what to chat with
59:14
us about a quick story is welcome. Next
59:16
we have patrons and donut money donors. We
59:19
don't have any patrons but we do have
59:21
two donut money donors. We
59:23
have Helen Stubbs whose name I
59:25
recognize for sure. Donation
59:28
for most excellent Canadian podcast A
59:30
from Helen in Napanee, Ontario right
59:32
by the prisons that hold so
59:35
many of your podcast protagonists. Ugh
59:38
I don't work there. Nice I
59:40
guess. Love you guys. Thank
59:43
you. Thank you. Thank you Helen. Very
59:45
much appreciated. What
59:47
do you think if she doesn't work at the prison
59:49
in Napanee Matthew what do you think she does there?
59:52
Well she doesn't do anything anymore
59:55
because she had a number one
59:57
hit song in the 1970s. Oh,
1:00:00
what? Pray tell
1:00:03
what was it? Was it what genre
1:00:05
was it number one? Uh,
1:00:08
so it was pop Okay
1:00:11
Yeah, and the song called was was called
1:00:13
mutt of the month Okay,
1:00:16
I guess somebody if you can find
1:00:18
that have a listen. Yeah, and she
1:00:21
was singing about uh, her her
1:00:24
her boyfriend cheating on her. Oh, yeah,
1:00:26
and she she called um Each
1:00:29
woman the mother the mother of the month. There
1:00:31
you go Well, there
1:00:33
you go. I can't believe you don't know that song. I
1:00:36
don't know that song Next
1:00:38
we have Angela Marie Weselink
1:00:40
and Angela Marie Doesn't
1:00:43
say where she's from so we'll figure that
1:00:45
out But she says money towards cleaning all
1:00:48
of the shit out of your hats and
1:00:50
my podcast. Thanks So
1:00:52
that's what we need instead of
1:00:54
donut money is like dry cleaning
1:00:57
bills Dry dry cleaning our poopy
1:00:59
toques Um, so
1:01:01
Matthew Let's
1:01:04
see where she's from. I think
1:01:06
you have that information there. I do
1:01:09
she's actually Uh
1:01:11
from ac she's actually from near you. Oh,
1:01:13
okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, what what town
1:01:15
do you live in again? Langley. Yeah, so
1:01:17
she's from the other one Abbotsford.
1:01:20
Yeah, she lives in abbotsford, which is
1:01:22
actually quite a ways away, right? and
1:01:25
and Her last name sort of
1:01:27
gives it away She actually
1:01:29
uh, it's it's a family name
1:01:32
Okay, Wes. Okay, so Wes link trains
1:01:34
you're gonna see them coming through connecting
1:01:36
all the towns soon So she's building
1:01:39
a new train system. Oh, well, that's
1:01:41
good. Yeah, we need we need more
1:01:43
trains. I'm all for more trains Absolutely.
1:01:45
She's the she's the West
1:01:47
link Empire s
1:01:50
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