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Shadows of Deception (Part 1): The Murder of Tim Bosma

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Shadows of Deception (Part 1): The Murder of Tim Bosma

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you don't think Dark Poutine is for you, continue to doctor immediately. The

3:26

The The

3:34

The Tim

3:36

Bosma was a 32 year old

3:38

family man from Ancaster, Ontario who

3:41

went missing in May 2013 after

3:43

taking two men for a test drive of his truck.

3:46

They were later identified as Delon

3:49

Millard, 27, heir to a

3:51

Canadian aviation empire and Mark

3:54

Smitch, 24, a drug dealer

3:56

and aspiring rapper. uncover

4:00

a disturbing web of deceit, violence,

4:02

and the cold-blooded nature of Millard

4:05

and Smitch. As we explore

4:07

the details of this case, we'll set

4:09

the stage for the equally harrowing events

4:11

that would unfold in parts 2 and

4:13

3 of this series, the murders of

4:16

Laura Babcock, 23, Millard's

4:18

ex-girlfriend in 2012, and

4:21

Wayne Millard, Delon's father, also in

4:23

2012. Join

4:25

us as we delve into the chilling stories

4:27

of these two killers and the trail of

4:29

devastation they left in their wake. This

4:32

is Dark Poutine Episode 317, Shadows of Deception Part 1, the murder

4:34

of Tim Bosma. Timothy

4:45

Hank Bosma was born at Hamilton St. Joseph's

4:47

Hospital on August 12, 1980 at 648 a.m.

4:52

to his father's joyful exclamations.

4:55

Tim tipped the scales at 8 pounds

4:57

3 ounces growing up in a lively

4:59

household with his parents Hank and Mary

5:01

and three sisters. Tim was

5:03

the cherished only boy. Jen, 6 years

5:06

older, and Michelle, 4 years older, were

5:08

his big sisters. Another sister, Stephanie, arrived

5:10

two years after Tim was born. His

5:13

childhood was characterized by a close-knit

5:15

relationship with his siblings and a

5:17

spirited demeanor often found playing with

5:19

his sisters and the neighborhood girls

5:21

until he began school. Known

5:24

for his strikingly pale complexion and

5:26

bright blue eyes, his light duck

5:28

fluff blonde hair made him easily

5:31

recognizable and much loved among family

5:33

and friends. You

5:36

mentioned he tipped the scales at 8 pounds

5:38

3 ounces and not

5:41

trying to compete with him. Right. But

5:43

I was a whopping 9 and a half pounds

5:45

when I was born. Oh my goodness. So probably

5:48

half of that is your head. Actually,

5:52

it's my hands and feet. Have you seen how

5:54

big my hands and my feet are? You know

5:56

what that means. Big shoes and big gloves. I

5:58

know. I like hobbit. feet. The

6:02

family lived in Ancaster, Ontario.

6:05

Ancaster, one of Ontario's oldest

6:07

European communities was established in

6:09

1793. Before European

6:11

settlement, the area was

6:14

inhabited by indigenous peoples, including

6:16

the Haudenosaunee and Mississaugas who

6:18

utilized the land for its

6:21

abundant resources and strategic location.

6:23

The community grew around the power

6:26

of Ancaster Creek, evolving from a

6:28

small milling center to a prosperous

6:30

town known for its agriculture and

6:32

mills. Despite significant growth,

6:35

Ancaster has retained its historical

6:37

charm through preserved buildings and

6:39

traditional events, maintaining its unique

6:42

identity through the centuries. In

6:44

2001, Ancaster was amalgamated into

6:46

Hamilton, a move designed to

6:48

streamline governance and improve regional

6:51

service delivery. And today, Ancaster

6:53

blends its rich heritage with

6:56

the suburban lifestyle of a district within

6:58

the larger city of Hamilton. So

7:00

Hamilton, founded in 1816, has

7:02

developed into a major Canadian

7:04

industrial hub, renowned for

7:07

steel production, steel town. The

7:09

integration of Ancaster into Hamilton

7:12

has fostered a symbolic relationship

7:14

marrying Ancaster's historical and residential

7:17

allure with Hamilton's urban and

7:19

industrial strengths. This amalgamation

7:21

allows Ancaster to leverage

7:23

Hamilton's extensive urban infrastructure

7:26

while contributing distinct historical

7:28

and residential qualities. Ancaster

7:32

is a really lovely town. I've

7:35

never been. I've been to Hamilton, but

7:37

I might have been to Ancaster and

7:39

just not known it. Yeah, we used

7:41

to hang out in Ancaster. It's just

7:43

nice. But our episode, the Hamilton Torso

7:45

Emitter, how could you, Mrs. Dick? Yeah.

7:49

Actually took place in Ancaster. Mr. Dick's

7:52

body is found near, I think it

7:54

was Sherman Falls in Ancaster. That's right.

7:57

Tim Bosma's playful nature persisted as he

7:59

grew off. engaging in practical

8:01

jokes that reflected his father's

8:03

influence. Before transferring to

8:05

Ancaster High School to pursue more

8:08

trade-oriented courses, he attended

8:10

Calvin Christian School where his father

8:12

was also a student. This change

8:14

aligned with his father's background in

8:16

HVAC trade which Tim soon adopted

8:18

as his own career path. Tim's

8:20

fitness and size 6 foot 1

8:23

inches tall made his physical work

8:25

easy. Demonstrating a robust work ethic

8:27

and his mother's frugality, Tim quickly

8:29

moved into the adult world of

8:31

work and property management. By

8:33

21 he owned his first home on

8:36

East 43rd Street on Hamilton Mountain managing

8:38

it as a rental property while living in

8:41

the basement apartment. His commitment

8:43

to family was evident when he temporarily moved

8:45

back home to allow his sister and her

8:47

husband to use his house reflecting

8:49

his generosity. I've been on that

8:52

street it's just a few

8:54

blocks away from where I went to school

8:56

for three years. Okay, it

8:58

sounds like he was a really kind guy like

9:00

I mean you know not everybody moves out of

9:02

a place to let your

9:04

sister move into it. No exactly, exactly

9:07

and I have to point this out

9:09

though, Hamilton Mountain it's

9:11

a Niagara escarpment, it ain't a mountain and

9:13

now that I live in Vancouver I laugh

9:16

at Hamilton quote mountain.

9:18

Well it's like the North and

9:20

South Mountains in Nova Scotia, they're hills

9:22

as are the ski hills Wentworth and

9:24

Martauk, they're just like little bumps. Outside

9:29

of work Tim's life was filled

9:31

with adventurous hobbies including riding dirt

9:33

bikes and snowmobiles often

9:35

accompanied by laughter-filled gatherings with

9:37

friends. These gatherings were

9:40

a testament to his social nature

9:42

where bonfires and humorous antics were

9:44

commonplace. Despite a busy

9:46

social and professional life, Tim

9:49

prioritized family and was particularly devoted

9:51

to his nieces and nephews always

9:53

ready to stir up fun and

9:55

laughter. As he matured his

9:57

role as the prankster remained endearing him

9:59

further to those around him, marking him

10:01

as a vibrant and integral part of his

10:04

community. Tim was appreciated by

10:06

those close to him for his

10:08

mischievous personality and infectious crazy laugh.

10:11

This lightheartedness was a hallmark of

10:13

his character often revealed in the

10:15

playful teasing he enjoyed with family

10:17

and friends. His family was

10:19

the core of Tim Bosma's life. He

10:22

was a devoted and loving father

10:24

to his two-year-old daughter, actively involved

10:26

in her upbringing and daily activities,

10:29

often including the family's great Dane

10:31

Ava. His dedication was

10:33

evident in moments like attending swimming

10:35

lessons and experiencing the milestone of

10:37

changing his daughter's first diapers, moments

10:40

he approached with care and a

10:42

bit of trepidation, indicative of his

10:44

deep commitment and love. Bosma's

10:47

relationship with his wife Charlene was

10:49

one of mutual support and deep

10:51

affection. He was described

10:53

as a regular average guy by

10:55

Charlene, underscoring his role as

10:58

a hardworking and loving husband who cherished

11:00

the ordinary life they built together. His

11:03

down-to-earth nature made him relatable and

11:05

deeply valued within his community and

11:07

among his peers. His

11:10

playful spirit extended beyond his immediate family

11:12

to his nieces and nephews with whom

11:14

he loved to play and joke at

11:16

family gatherings. This loving attitude

11:18

was a source of joy and laughter,

11:20

contributing to the warm memories cherished by

11:22

those who knew him best. Overall,

11:25

Tim Bosma's life was characterized by his

11:27

love for his family, his joyous approach

11:29

to life, and the simple everyday moments

11:31

he shared with those around him. You

11:33

look at the picture of this guy

11:36

and what you're saying and it just

11:39

is so absolutely unfair

11:41

that this guy was

11:43

obviously a good man.

11:45

A good egg. A

11:48

stand-up guy, a good egg as we say on

11:50

the show, and for his life to end this

11:52

way is just so

11:55

tragic and such a waste. In 2013, Tim wanted to

11:57

get rid of his boy. black

12:00

2007 Dodge Ram pickup, license

12:02

plate 72672W, which was a lemon according

12:04

to a Vice News

12:08

article. On April

12:10

28th, Charlene listed the truck for

12:12

sale on Kijiji and AutoTrader. The

12:15

ad read, For sale by owner, a 2007 Dodge Power

12:17

Ram 3500 diesel 4x4 pickup truck, 170,000 km,

12:24

mostly highway, 5.9 liter

12:27

engine, extended cab, short box, grey

12:29

cloth interior, new transmission new brakes,

12:32

price $24,000, address, Ancaster, ON. The

12:38

ad received some interest and Tim agreed to allow

12:40

two men to drive the truck on the evening

12:42

of May 6th, 2013. Tim

12:45

answered the door and went outside with the pair. As

12:48

he left around 9.20pm, Tim told

12:50

Charlene he'd be right back. He

12:53

watched as Tim climbed into the passenger seat

12:55

of his truck. Charlene saw the

12:57

strangers were two white males in their 20s. The

13:00

taller individual was described as being around

13:03

6'1 and weighing between 170 and 180 pounds.

13:08

He had short brown hair, appeared unshaven

13:10

and was dressed in jeans, an orange

13:12

long sleeve shirt and running shoes. The

13:14

shorter man stood about 5.9 to

13:17

5.10 with a small to medium build

13:19

and dark hair. He was

13:21

wearing a red hooded sweatshirt. The

13:23

taller man drove while the shorter man

13:25

sat in the back seat as the

13:27

truck pulled out of the Bosma family's

13:29

driveway. The hours passed

13:31

with no sign of Tim. Charlene

13:34

began to worry and called his cell

13:36

phone several times receiving no answer before

13:39

contacting the Hamilton police to report her

13:41

husband missing. She gave

13:43

the police all the information she had. Knowing

13:46

time was of the essence, early the

13:48

next morning Hamilton police issued a short

13:50

press release describing Tim Bosma, his truck

13:52

and the two men he'd last been

13:55

seen with. At a press conference

13:57

on May 8, 2013, police police

14:00

explain the customers typically contact sellers

14:02

on classified sites like Kijiji

14:04

via email. However, Tim Bosma had

14:07

listed his phone number in

14:09

the classified ad enabling direct contact.

14:12

This meant police could not obtain

14:14

information from the website's email records.

14:16

Nonetheless, with the help of Apple,

14:19

investigators extracted some details from Tim

14:21

Bosma's iPhone before it was switched

14:23

off or the battery died. Tim,

14:26

one thing that Tim was left

14:28

behind is hearing

14:31

that, I'm like, ugh, god, a lesson for

14:34

me is if

14:37

I ever try to sell something to

14:39

set up a specific email account for selling

14:42

it and to be careful. I mean, it's

14:44

such a shame that I'm learning this through

14:46

the loss of Tim. I

14:48

never even thought of this. I just put my phone

14:51

on something as well probably.

14:53

Yeah, for convenience kind of thing.

14:55

This poor guy, you know,

14:57

so I think I'll take

14:59

that lesson. Police also

15:01

reported that two men matching the descriptions

15:03

of those in Tim Bosma's disappearance test

15:06

drove a truck in Toronto a day

15:08

before Tim went missing. The truck's

15:10

owner found their behavior suspicious and later

15:12

reported this to the Toronto police. They'd

15:15

walked to the location, a business within

15:17

an industrial area, which was unusual. The

15:20

Toronto man who'd encountered the pair noticed

15:23

something unique about the first suspect, the

15:25

taller man. He had the

15:27

word ambition tattooed on his wrist with

15:29

a box around it. The

15:32

hunt for Tim Bosma and the

15:34

apprehension of his abductors was Hamilton

15:36

police's largest operation in years. This

15:39

massive effort involved at least 150 officers,

15:42

primarily from Hamilton, demonstrating

15:45

a significant display of the

15:47

service's skills, training and commitment

15:49

of both officers and civilian

15:51

staff. The investigation

15:53

saw round the clock work from

15:55

homicide detectives. Search and rescue operations

15:58

were conducted on the ground. ground

16:00

and from the air with canine

16:02

and mounted units deployed. Divisional

16:05

detectives took the lead early in

16:07

the case, supported by a marine

16:09

unit on alert and forensic officers

16:11

at various scenes. Commanders

16:14

proactively allocated resources while uniformed

16:17

officers across the city were

16:19

called to assist. Victim

16:21

services were tasked with supporting Tim

16:23

Bosma's family. According

16:25

to Anne Brocklehurst's book, Dark

16:27

Ambition, after Tim Bosma disappeared,

16:29

his family and friends from

16:32

the Ancaster Christian Reformed Church

16:34

community and acquaintances mobilized to

16:36

find him. They formed

16:38

search parties to comb through fields

16:40

and ditches until police intervened to

16:42

preserve potential evidence. The

16:44

search efforts were centralized in Tim

16:46

Bosma's garage, which they used as

16:48

a command center. Investigators

16:51

also launched a fine Tim Bosma

16:53

Facebook page and distributive missing persons

16:56

posters featuring his photo and truck

16:58

details across the region from Toronto

17:00

to Brantford. The mysterious

17:02

nature of his disappearance fueled

17:04

widespread rumors and speculation about

17:06

possible criminal motives such as

17:08

involvement in drugs, organized crime

17:10

or financial troubles. However, none

17:12

of these theories convincingly accounted

17:14

for the peculiar circumstances of

17:16

his abduction during the truck

17:19

theft. Tim wasn't involved in

17:21

any of that. On

17:23

May 9th at another press conference

17:26

at Hamilton Police headquarters, a tearful

17:28

Charlene Bosma spoke, begging for Tim's

17:30

safe return. Quote, This

17:32

does not feel like real life, Charlene

17:34

Bosma said. This only happens on TV

17:36

and in movies. As you

17:38

know, she continued, I watched

17:41

my husband drive away just after nine

17:43

o'clock Monday night. He smiled

17:45

at me and said he'd be right back and I have not

17:47

seen him since. You're all aware

17:49

that I saw the two men who

17:51

took my husband. You have already been

17:53

provided the description of these two individuals.

17:55

I ask you that if you see

17:57

anyone that closely matches this description of

17:59

these men. to please call the police.

18:02

You've seen pictures of Tim and his truck. Please,

18:04

please, if you see Tim or the

18:06

truck, contact police. My husband

18:08

Tim is a loving father to our beautiful

18:11

two-year-old and she needs her daddy back. His

18:13

parents need their little boy back. All

18:16

of our brothers and sisters want their brother back.

18:19

We look forward to being able to put our arms

18:21

around Tim and to tell him how much we love

18:23

him. We hope and pray

18:25

that today is the last day of this

18:27

nightmare. It was just a

18:30

truck. It's just a truck. You don't

18:32

need him, but I do and our

18:34

daughter needs her daddy back. So please,

18:36

please, let him come home. We need

18:38

him to come home and may

18:40

God have mercy on you, Charlene said.

18:43

Tim is my husband, he is my partner,

18:46

and he is my best friend. He is the love

18:48

of my life and the father of my child." Yeah,

18:52

this is so heartbreaking. Well, we

18:54

think we can understand what she's

18:56

going through. Yeah. It's probably a

18:58

thousand times worse than we can

19:00

even imagine. I can't even begin

19:02

to fathom. I can't even begin

19:04

to fathom it. On Friday,

19:06

May 10th, police announced that they found

19:08

Tim Bosma's cell phone in an industrial

19:10

area of Branford. The search of

19:13

the area turned up nothing else. However,

19:15

they also received a tip that Tim's

19:17

truck was seen in downtown Branford just

19:19

after 10 p.m. on Monday, the day

19:21

he disappeared. Investigators

19:23

asked businesses and individuals who may

19:25

have security cameras or footage of

19:27

the area from that night to

19:29

turn it over to police. They

19:32

determined that a burner phone had been used

19:34

to contact Tim. The phone

19:36

had been initially registered three months

19:38

before Tim went missing and records

19:40

showed that it was used primarily

19:43

around Etobicoke. This phone

19:45

was registered under the name Lucas

19:47

Bate, a pseudonym, as no

19:49

individual with that name could be identified.

19:52

The phone's registered address turned out to be

19:54

a high school, adding another layer

19:57

of mystery since no Lucas Bate was

19:59

associated with him. with that location. Dennis

20:02

Araho, who listed his 2006 black Dodge

20:05

pickup on AutoTrader concurrently with Tim

20:08

Bozma, also received a call from

20:10

the same phone number registered under

20:12

the name Lucas Bate. However,

20:14

Araho missed the call and could not

20:16

reach anyone when he attempted to call

20:18

back. In the days leading

20:20

up to this, phone records show the

20:23

Bate number had also contacted two other

20:25

men in the Toronto area attempting to

20:27

set up test drives of the trucks

20:29

they had listed for sale online. Omar

20:31

Palmillian Igor Timomenko. Timomenko

20:33

gave two men who matched the descriptions

20:36

of the suspects a test drive in

20:38

his 2010 Dodge Ram

20:40

on May 5th, but they

20:42

did not purchase the truck. Wow, these

20:44

guys must feel so lucky that they

20:46

didn't end up like poor Tim. Yeah,

20:49

it's crazy. On May 6th, there were

20:51

a series of calls between Tim Bozma's

20:53

phone and the phone registered under the

20:55

name Lucas Bate. Initially at

20:57

5.13pm Bozma's phone made a call to

20:59

the Bate phone. This was followed by

21:01

a call from the Bate phone to

21:03

Bozma's phone at 7.22pm and another call

21:07

from the Bate phone to Bozma's at 9.04pm. Investigators

21:12

also discovered that throughout the three months

21:14

of its usage, the phone had pinged

21:16

numerous times at a hangar belonging

21:19

to Millard Air at the

21:21

airport in Waterloo, Ontario. The

21:23

registered owner of the hangar was

21:25

Delon Millard, 27, who since his

21:28

father's death a year earlier was

21:30

the heir to the Millard Air

21:32

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21:34

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21:36

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21:38

they lined up perfectly. Millard's phone was

21:40

always with the Bate phone when it

21:42

was on. Millard also

21:45

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21:47

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21:49

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21:51

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21:53

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became a pilot very young. In

24:01

1999, at 14, Delon Millard

24:03

made headlines by becoming the youngest Canadian

24:05

to fly solo in an airplane and

24:07

a helicopter on the same day. Educated

24:11

in private schools, Delon was known

24:13

for his intelligence and ambition. He

24:16

inherited his father's entrepreneurial spirit and

24:18

was involved in several business ventures

24:20

from a young age, including attempts

24:23

to expand the scope of Millard

24:25

Air's operations. Delon was

24:27

often described as charismatic and popular

24:29

among his peers. He

24:31

was also known for his love

24:33

of cars and mechanics, a passion

24:35

that extended beyond airplanes. Delon took

24:37

over Millard Air's operations after his father,

24:39

Wayne Millard, who had taken charge of

24:41

the company following Carl Millard's death, passed

24:43

away in 2012, dying by apparent suicide.

24:49

Under Delon's leadership, the company underwent

24:51

significant changes, including opening a new

24:53

hangar at the Waterloo International Airport,

24:55

which was intended to transition the

24:58

business from aviation maintenance to a

25:00

full service operation, catering to

25:02

the needs of private pilots and corporate

25:04

clients. Apart from his

25:06

professional life, Delon was known for his

25:09

adventurous spirit and love of the outdoors.

25:11

He was an avid skydiver and

25:14

often participated in car rallies

25:16

and other motorsports, showcasing his

25:18

passion for thrill-seeking activities. Despite

25:21

his affluent background and active social

25:23

life, those who knew him

25:25

described him as approachable and down-to-earth, with

25:27

a tendency to push the boundaries in

25:29

his personal and professional endeavors. Millard

25:32

was not talking to the police. Without

25:35

his help, investigators would have to

25:37

piece together what happened to Tim

25:39

Bosma and his truck using the

25:41

evidence they gathered and identify other suspects

25:43

through other means. On

25:46

Sunday, May 12, Mother's Day,

25:48

Tim Bosma's mother Mary made a

25:50

statement at another press conference. Quote,

25:53

Even though there's been an arrest, he is still not

25:55

home with us, Mary Bosma said, her voice shaking as

25:57

she made her plea to the media. My

26:00

heart is broken. I love him so much.

26:03

We just want him home, she said. Additionally,

26:06

she expressed her mother's day wish, quote,

26:08

to have him home again with his

26:10

wife, daughter and other relatives, end quote.

26:13

Adding to the evidence against Dell

26:16

and Millard, investigators found Tim Bosma's

26:18

truck stashed inside a trailer at

26:20

the home of Millard's mother in

26:22

the Toronto suburb of Kleinburg. When

26:25

examined, the truck had Bosma's blood

26:27

inside, later confirmed by DNA, a

26:30

spent bullet casing, gunshot residue,

26:33

and the front passenger window had been

26:35

broken out. Millard had

26:37

made arrangements to disguise the truck's identity

26:39

by having it repainted and repaired in

26:42

an auto body shop which he frequented.

26:45

He also attempted to move potential

26:47

evidence, giving a toolbox to an

26:49

associate that analysis later revealed contained

26:51

gunshot residue. In what appeared to

26:54

some people in effort to distance

26:56

themselves from Tim Bosma's disappearance and

26:58

ensure their users' safety, on

27:01

May 13th, Kijiji released a statement about

27:03

the incident in a blog post titled,

27:06

Online Safety. The post

27:08

read, quote, our thoughts are

27:10

with the family and community of a

27:12

missing Ancaster man during this very difficult

27:14

time. Kijiji has been in

27:17

contact with the Hamilton police and

27:19

has provided them with information that may

27:21

be helpful in their investigation. We

27:23

confirmed to the police that the

27:26

ad posted by Mr. Bosma on

27:28

Kijiji did not feature personal contact

27:30

information, nor did it receive

27:32

any replies which determines the incident did

27:35

not occur as a result of

27:37

the ad posting on Kijiji. We

27:39

understand the Hamilton police have made an arrest

27:41

in the case and moving forward, we will

27:43

continue to assist the police in their investigation.

27:46

The safety of our users is

27:48

a top priority for Kijiji. We

27:51

work with local and international law

27:53

enforcement agencies so our users can

27:55

connect in a safe online community

27:57

to engage in commerce and trading

27:59

locally. The post

28:01

also included tips on staying I

28:07

don't think necessarily you described it

28:09

as distancing themselves I actually think

28:11

well some people thought that yeah But the

28:13

people at Kajiji were probably horrified that this

28:15

happened to Tim of course they were of

28:18

course they were and they did the Right

28:20

thing they let people know they were helping

28:22

right in any way they could and You

28:25

know if I own Kajiji I'd

28:27

have done the same thing exactly what they

28:29

did right I would have helped the police

28:31

and then I would have put tips on

28:33

how to be safe Yeah, you know blaming

28:35

somebody like Kajiji is like you know

28:38

If somebody like agrees to meet somebody

28:40

over the telephone are gonna blame the

28:42

telephone company no, right, right A

28:45

day later on May 14th to the

28:47

devastation of all involved the police announced

28:50

the discovery of Tim Bozma's remains The

28:53

investigation centers around properties connected to

28:55

Dell and Millard Including

28:57

a rural field he purchased for eight hundred

29:00

and thirty five thousand dollars in air in

29:03

2011 with significant police presence

29:05

and search activity Millard

29:08

who had no previous criminal record

29:10

was subsequently charged with first-degree murder

29:14

His lawyer claimed the alleged killing was

29:16

quote completely out of character for the

29:18

young CEO and investor describing

29:21

him as humble balanced and

29:23

good-natured as The

29:25

investigation expanded police warned

29:27

of more suspects and charges to

29:29

follow on May 20th 2013

29:33

police arrested Mark smidge the 24 year

29:35

old man from Oakville He

29:38

was known to locals as an

29:40

aspiring rapper who often expressed his

29:42

life experiences and aspirations through his

29:44

music Smitches interests in the arts

29:46

extended to painting and writing which

29:49

were other creative outlets he pursued

29:52

Despite his artistic inclinations. He

29:54

faced several personal and professional

29:56

challenges that stymied potential career

29:58

development Smitch's life was

30:01

marked by a series of run-ins

30:03

with the law primarily related to

30:05

minor drug offenses and petty thefts,

30:07

which suggested struggles with substance abuse

30:10

and financial instability. These

30:12

legal issues contributed to a

30:14

somewhat tumultuous lifestyle impacting his

30:16

personal relationships and living situations.

30:20

Despite these setbacks, Smitch maintained

30:22

close ties with a small circle of

30:24

friends who shared similar interests in music

30:26

and art. Financially, Smitch

30:28

was often reliant on odd jobs and

30:31

the support of friends and family. He

30:34

did not have steady employment, compounding

30:36

his struggles with legal issues and

30:38

personal stability. His relationship

30:40

with family was complex, marked

30:42

by support and strain due to

30:44

his lifestyle choices. In

30:47

his community, Smitch was sometimes seen as a

30:49

troubled yet talented individual who hadn't yet

30:51

found a way to fully realize his potential

30:55

or break away from the cycles of

30:57

instability that characterized his life before his

30:59

arrest. His involvement

31:01

with Delon Millard, stemming from shared

31:03

interests and social circles, eventually led

31:05

to a deeper association that would

31:08

have significant implications for his future.

31:11

Cell phone data placed Millard and Smitch's

31:14

phones traveling from the greater Toronto area

31:16

through Oakville and finally pinging near Tim

31:18

Bosma's home in Ancaster on the night

31:20

of May 6th around the time of

31:22

the test drive. Their

31:25

phones were shut off immediately after, going

31:27

inactive for just a short distance from

31:29

the residents while Bosma was inside the

31:31

truck with them. Hours

31:33

later, surveillance footage from Millard

31:36

Air Aviation Hangar near Waterloo

31:38

captured Tim Bosma's missing truck

31:40

arriving and parking outside

31:42

towing a large trailer carrying

31:44

an incinerator dubbed the Eliminator.

31:48

The footage also showed the truck

31:50

and trailer being followed closely by

31:52

an SUV similar to the GMC

31:54

Yukon owned by Millard. One

31:56

of Millard's employees at the hangar, Arthur

31:58

Jennings, saw what a appeared to

32:00

be Tim's truck inside in the

32:02

following days and took photos of

32:05

its vehicle identification number, Vin, after

32:07

recognizing that it could be the

32:09

vehicle belonging to the missing man

32:11

based on the widespread media coverage.

32:14

You know, good for him. It's great that

32:16

he had the awareness and the wherewithal to

32:19

A. notice and B.

32:21

do that. In the days after

32:23

Tim Bosma's disappearance, Delon Millard made

32:25

numerous comments to his associates like

32:28

his girlfriend, Christina Nudga, roommate

32:30

Andrew Michalski, and his mechanic indicating

32:33

that he'd stolen a truck and

32:35

the owner was dead. Smitch

32:38

also privately told his girlfriend, Marlene

32:41

Meneses, that he had been present

32:43

when Millard stole Tim Bosma's truck

32:45

and that Millard had shot and

32:48

killed Bosma, stating, he's gone, gone,

32:50

gone. Incriminating evidence began

32:53

to mount, including Tim Bosma's

32:55

DNA being discovered on the

32:57

incinerator found at the Millard

32:59

air hanger property, as

33:01

well as on a pair of gloves in Millard's

33:03

possession when he was arrested on May 10th. Forensic

33:06

analysis of burned bone fragments inside

33:09

the incinerator determined they were from

33:11

a human male around Bosma's age.

33:14

The disappearance of Delon Millard's ex-girlfriend,

33:17

Laura Babcock, also bubbled to the

33:19

surface at this time. As

33:22

her last phone calls were to Delon Millard's

33:24

phone on July 3rd, 2012, there

33:27

were concerted efforts made to search for

33:29

her remains on Millard's properties as well.

33:32

None were found. However, while

33:34

the police and Crown were building the case

33:37

against Millard and Smitch for Tim Bosma's murder,

33:40

both men were already the

33:42

prime suspects in Laura Babcock's

33:44

disappearance. They were also

33:46

having another look at the apparent suicide

33:48

of Millard's father, Wayne. Delon

33:51

inherited quite a tidy sum after

33:53

his father's death, and money

33:55

is often a motive for murder, as we

33:57

all know. Tim Bosma's

33:59

family Family and friends packed a memorial service

34:01

for the slain husband and father on May

34:03

22, 2013,

34:06

held in the same banquet hall where Tim

34:09

Bosma and his wife celebrated their wedding. Friends

34:12

and family shared heartfelt memories. His

34:15

friend Gary Kickert recalled how

34:17

Bosma's firm approach helped him

34:19

to overcome alcoholism while his

34:22

sister, Michelle Denbach, and

34:24

his father, Hank Bosma, fondly shared

34:26

memories of his infectious laughter and

34:28

playful teasing, particularly with

34:30

the children at family gatherings. His

34:33

stepfather, Steven Zeilstra, reminisced

34:35

about Bosma's mischievous smile

34:37

and his father-in-law, Louis

34:40

Veenstra, praised his nurturing

34:42

role as a father. The

34:44

service, led by Pastor John

34:46

Veenstra, celebrated Bosma's life, emphasizing

34:48

his love for family and

34:50

his everyman persona without idealizing

34:52

him as a saint. You

34:55

know, there's a good list of Dutch

34:57

names there, Mike. Yeah, I noticed that.

35:00

Yeah, Southwestern Ontario has a really big

35:02

Dutch community, and actually my

35:04

one aunt and my one uncle married into

35:07

Dutch families. And

35:09

the one thing I'm happy about in

35:11

seeing those names is, you know, if

35:13

they're anything like my extended family, you

35:16

know, Tim's family would have had a lot

35:18

of love and support at

35:20

this hard time from the Dutch

35:23

community, right? The

35:25

Dutch are very good at... Taking

35:29

care of their own. Stepping up.

35:31

Well, not just their own, but

35:33

others. In the community, yes. Stepping

35:36

up and being on the front

35:38

line of helping. That's my experience,

35:41

my Dutch family and neighbors anyway.

35:44

According to the Hamilton Spectator newspaper,

35:46

following Tim Bosma's disappearance, his wife

35:48

Charlene faced profound grief, particularly feeling

35:50

the weight of each passing month.

35:52

She described the agony of marking

35:55

each new month without Tim, a

35:58

pain accentuated by significant like

36:00

Valentine's Day and their wedding anniversary. Even

36:02

small reminders like a pet fish Tim

36:04

had bought for their daughter or his

36:07

belongings around the house deepened her sorrow

36:09

on such occasions. Charlene

36:11

took steps to preserve Tim's memory for

36:13

their daughter, who was three at the

36:15

time and often cried out for her

36:17

father during nighttime leg cramps, a pain

36:19

Tim also experienced as a child. Charlene

36:23

compiled scrapbooks and collected stories about

36:25

Tim from friends to help her

36:27

daughter remember her father. The

36:29

Bosma family, including Tim's parents,

36:32

Hank and Mary, navigated their

36:34

grief through daily reminders and

36:36

public sympathy, which often felt

36:39

overwhelming. They found comfort in

36:41

their faith and the support of

36:43

their community, evident in gestures like

36:45

receiving flowers and gift cards from

36:47

friends. Hank and Mary's grief was

36:49

palpable in every aspect of their

36:51

lives, from daily routines to family

36:53

gatherings at Tim's gravesite, where they

36:55

celebrated his life with symbolic gestures

36:57

like releasing balloons. The

37:00

family also established a charity in

37:02

Tim's memory to help other families

37:04

affected by homicide, emphasizing their commitment

37:06

to honoring his legacy beyond their

37:09

personal loss. These

37:11

ongoing support and remembrance activities

37:13

reflected their efforts to cope

37:15

with the tragedy and keep

37:17

Tim's memory alive. It

37:19

sounds like a cliché, but Tim's

37:22

murder really underscores this as fact.

37:25

When someone like Tim gets murdered,

37:27

it is really deeply felt amongst

37:30

many people, like those ripples that

37:33

go out of grief, right? Yeah.

37:35

And the pain the Bosma family

37:37

had was palpable and I'm sure

37:39

it's not gone away. No, definitely

37:42

not. On April 10, 2014, Christina Nudga, the

37:46

Delon Millard's girlfriend at the time of

37:49

Tim Bosma's murder, was charged with being

37:51

an accessory after the fact. She

37:54

gave a lengthy statement to police after

37:56

her arrest, admitting to her involvement in

37:58

the aftermath of Bosma's killing. killing. Nudga

38:01

confessed that on May 9, 2013,

38:05

just days after Tim Bozma went missing, she

38:08

was with Millard and helped transport

38:10

the trailer containing Bozma's truck from

38:12

Millard's aviation hangar to his mother's

38:14

home in Kleinburg, Ontario. Nudga

38:17

returned to the trailer in the

38:19

following days and wiped down her

38:21

fingerprints to cover her tracks. When

38:24

Millard was arrested on May 10, he had

38:26

latex gloves with him. It

38:28

was through forensic testing that Tim Bozma's DNA

38:30

was found on the outside of one of

38:33

these gloves. Nudga admitted

38:35

to police that she had worn the

38:37

same gloves while assisting Millard on May

38:39

9, as he was removing

38:41

potential evidence from the hangar related to

38:43

Tim Bozma's murder. Through

38:45

her statement, Nudga implicated herself

38:47

as being aware of the crime

38:49

and taking steps alongside Dela Millard

38:52

in the days immediately following to

38:54

help conceal and destroy evidence linking

38:56

him to Bozma's disappearance and death.

38:59

In 2016, Dela Millard and Mark

39:01

Smitch went to trial for Tim Bozma's

39:03

murder. The crown alleged that Millard and

39:06

Smitch had planned for more than a

39:08

year to steal a truck, kill

39:10

its owner, and then incinerate the

39:12

body. A forensic expert

39:15

testified that the remains found

39:17

inside the incinerator on Millard's

39:19

farm, while confirmed to be

39:21

human, were mostly reduced

39:23

to ashes. This extreme

39:25

burning destroys any possible DNA

39:27

evidence. The limited

39:30

bone fragments and partial tooth

39:32

recovered were too damaged to

39:34

identify as Bozmas through DNA

39:36

or dental records positively. The

39:39

forensic expert stated that

39:41

the remains were insufficient to determine a

39:43

cause of death. A forensic

39:45

dentist corroborated this saying the

39:48

heat-damaged tooth fragment could not

39:50

be definitely linked to Bozma

39:52

due to the inability to

39:54

extract DNA. Separately, police

39:56

testimony described finding a digital video

39:58

recorder, D.A., hidden in

40:01

a closet at the home of Christina

40:03

Nudga, Millard's girlfriend during a 2014 search.

40:07

Prosecutors allege Millard took this DVR from

40:09

his aviation hangar and gave it to

40:11

Nudga to hold, claiming it contained video

40:13

footage of Millard and Smitch at the

40:15

hangar around 1.30 a.m. on May 7th.

40:20

Around the time, prosecutors believed Tim

40:22

Bosma's body was being incinerated on

40:24

the property after he was murdered.

40:28

As forensic evidence from the remains

40:30

proved insufficient to conclusively tie to

40:32

Tim Bosma, this potential video

40:35

evidence was a key piece of the

40:37

prosecution's case, tying the two

40:39

accused to the crime scene. On

40:42

the stand, Mark Smitch claimed that

40:44

Delon Millard was responsible for shooting,

40:47

killing, and burning Tim Bosma. The

40:50

cross-examination of Smitch by Delon Millard's

40:52

lawyer, Nadir Sachak, took center stage

40:55

at the murder trial. Sachak's

40:57

questioning zeroed in on Smitch's testimony

40:59

about the critical events the night

41:01

Tim Bosma was killed. A

41:04

key point of contention was who pulled the trigger

41:06

and shot the father of one. Smitch

41:09

maintained under oath that he was

41:11

not inside Bosma's truck when Delon

41:13

Millard fired the fatal shots. However,

41:16

this directly contradicted previous testimony

41:18

about text messages Millard sent to

41:21

his girlfriend at the time, which

41:23

implied Smitch was the one who shot

41:26

Bosma. With both co-accused

41:28

blaming the other for the actual

41:30

killing, Sachak grilled Smitch

41:32

relentlessly on the discrepancies and

41:34

worked to poke holes in

41:36

his version of that fateful

41:38

night's events. To paint

41:40

Smitch as the killer, Millard's lawyer displayed some

41:43

of Mark Smitch's lyrics for the jury, including

41:46

lines like, Get slapped with

41:48

my gun hand, motherfucker, spelled

41:51

with a P-H, Leave you

41:53

dead with some contraband, motherfucker,

41:56

And, quote, My 380 is no stranger. When

42:00

I'm angered, you're in danger and

42:02

quote. Oh God What?

42:04

Why do people celebrate music like

42:06

this? I just sent getting know

42:09

Paul Bernardo was a rapper to

42:11

their on the is it these

42:13

like them murder a rap. Tittered.

42:16

Sick Bay Ominous Kids need better

42:18

heroes Man Race. While. These these

42:20

two are like grown kids. You.

42:23

Know us and when wet but I love

42:25

is like. White middle class.

42:30

Yes, in Sicily it has nothing

42:32

so pathetic, right? Know it's silly.

42:35

Surtax. Press match on whether

42:37

he understood slapped to be street

42:40

slang for killing someone with Smith's

42:42

denied when Smith claim the lyrics

42:44

were simply an artistic expression which

42:46

had nothing to do with reality.

42:48

Said Jack question how realistic his

42:50

defense was given the violent imagery.

42:53

The prosecutor also showed the jury

42:55

a video recording of Smith's performing

42:58

one of his wraps, allowing them

43:00

to directly access the aggressive content

43:02

and delivery for themselves as potential

43:04

insight into Smitty mindset and capacity

43:07

for violence. Marlena, Manassas

43:09

Marksmen. His girlfriend was a key

43:11

prosecution witness. She testified that after

43:13

Bars was disappearance. Smith told her

43:16

quote. He told me that Mr.

43:18

Bazemore was gone, gone. He.

43:20

Said that Dell Millard murdered him

43:22

and quote that he shot him

43:24

and quote. Manassas, Claim

43:26

quote. I believe Smith's told

43:28

me that they burned him but admitted

43:31

quote I didn't want to know anything

43:33

and quote. She. Recalled urging Smit

43:35

to come clean and go to the

43:37

police. About Bosnia's murder Minister stated that

43:39

Smith's told her that he wrap the

43:41

murder weapon and duct tape and buried

43:44

it somewhere. Somewhere. In a

43:46

forest. She. Describes Mrs Closeness with

43:48

Millard Quote: Mark cared for Dell and

43:50

more than any other person. He was

43:53

in love with him and poked. Manassas,

43:56

overheard dell an unmarked discuss stealing

43:58

a truck beforehand the failed to

44:00

stop them. On May 6th, she

44:02

spoke to Smitch saying, quote, I was

44:05

very scared. I knew that they were going

44:07

to steal a truck end quote. After

44:09

their arrest, Smitch yelled at her telling her

44:12

not to say anything he had told her

44:14

about Tim Bosma. Contrarily,

44:17

Millard's lawyer argued that it was Smitch

44:19

who accidentally shot Bosma while attempting to

44:21

steal his truck on a nearby highway.

44:24

However, the judge instructed the jury

44:26

of seven men and seven women

44:28

who were alternates to dismiss Millard's

44:30

narrative as it lacked

44:33

evidential support. The judge, just

44:35

as Andrew Goodman, clarified that there

44:37

was no evidence to suggest the

44:39

shooting occurred on Highway 403 or

44:42

that it was accidental. So

44:44

the lawyer gave it the good old, it was

44:46

an accident try, did he? No, they all do.

44:49

Yep. When they do that though,

44:51

it really smacks of desperation.

44:53

When a lawyer does that, it

44:56

was an accident, you know, they're like

44:58

grasping for straws at that point. Yeah.

45:00

Justice Goodman further explained that both Millard

45:02

and Smitch could be convicted of murder

45:04

regardless of who fired the shot if

45:07

it was proven that the other had

45:09

assisted or encouraged the act. He

45:11

also noted the absence of reliable

45:13

evidence regarding the exact circumstances of

45:15

the shooting, including the time of

45:17

death or positions of the shooter

45:19

and the deceased. Ultimately,

45:21

the jury was tasked with determining the

45:24

fate of each accused separately, considering

45:26

charges ranging from not guilty

45:29

to first-degree murder, second-degree murder

45:31

or manslaughter. On June 13, 2016,

45:35

the jury was sequestered and began their

45:37

deliberations. Four days later, there was a

45:39

verdict. Tim Bosma's family

45:41

smiled and cried tears of relief

45:43

when Millard and Smitch were found

45:46

guilty of first-degree murder. The

45:48

verdict triggered celebrations both inside

45:50

the courtroom and on the

45:52

streets outside. Charlene Bosma

45:55

later spoke to the crowd outside

45:57

the courtroom. Here's some audio

45:59

as we read. recorded by Global News.

46:30

I'm glad to endure being near the two men

46:32

that walked out my driveway on May 6, 2013

46:36

and took away the bright lights in our

46:38

lives that was tipped. It

46:42

is their own unspeakable evil

46:44

acts that have taken away

46:46

their freedom. We'll

46:48

sing as unfair. What

46:51

is unfair is that

46:54

now that this chapter is over,

46:56

we have to truly begin building

46:58

our lives. What

47:01

is unfair is that regardless

47:03

of all that has transpired in the

47:05

courtroom today, one thing

47:08

will never change for us. There

47:11

is one absolute constant for

47:13

us. This

47:15

does not bring Tim back and

47:18

he will still never come home. For

47:22

Tim's murderers, their life sentence begins

47:24

now and ours

47:26

began over three years ago when

47:28

they murdered Tim. That

47:33

being said, although

47:36

we endure a life sentence without Tim,

47:39

we have learned to collectively laugh again,

47:41

to smile

47:45

and embrace what we still have. We

47:48

have memories, a lot

47:51

of very beautiful memories. For

47:54

myself, I made a choice a long time

47:56

ago. I Choose to remind myself

47:58

that for every day, I will be here. The thing that has

48:00

happened in the last three years. I

48:03

am blessed. I

48:05

saw how much for which to be thankful.

48:09

I was fortunate enough to says four

48:11

and a half years. with

48:13

a wonderful man Super Three of

48:16

years I got sell in my

48:18

has said. Pizza

48:20

rate. And

48:23

I've always going to more and foot were

48:25

never going to house the the we're we're never

48:28

going to be able to share together. But

48:31

I will celebrate. But

48:33

we weren't able full house because

48:35

every one of those moments tests.

48:40

I feel honored to have a beautiful

48:42

tiles as ten that call me mom.

48:45

And see is our miracle baby in

48:47

so many ways. I

48:50

am grateful for the time six him and

48:52

I were able to spend together as our

48:55

own little family. Was

48:57

him may have been so. and

48:59

sunshine never will. The. We're.

49:03

All say thoughts as a village of

49:05

people that surround us all. Saints

49:11

it worded. I. Love. That.

49:14

of how those and prayers and in their

49:17

accident. Our families as

49:19

a rule have been so very blessed

49:21

by our communities. Same.

49:24

And I were surrounded by a

49:26

circle of friends comprised of incredible

49:28

inspiring individuals. They

49:31

have endured miles a night in from

49:33

here and sobbing phone calls. In.

49:35

The beginning saying night after night. Been

49:38

a listening ear for nice. They.

49:40

Dropped everything and to come

49:42

through every possible road and

49:44

street in this province. Swinton

49:46

went missing. For.

49:49

My daughter and I are they are other

49:51

family. we

49:53

had fun and ingratitude see

49:56

the teams of police officers

49:58

detective services,

50:01

the victim witness assistance program, and those

50:05

incredible crown attorneys upstairs.

50:13

They have all worked so hard to

50:15

achieve justice for Tim. It

50:18

is through their hard work and perseverance that

50:20

we are here at this moment. It

50:23

was their long day, long day,

50:25

long night, and even longer weekend

50:27

spent away from their families that

50:30

we were able to achieve

50:34

today's verdict. Words

50:37

will never fully express

50:41

just how much they are appreciated for

50:43

just doing their job,

50:47

which they have frequently told us they're just

50:49

doing their job, but they

50:51

have done it so well. Each

50:55

and every one of them will forever hold

50:57

a very special place in our heart. We

51:01

also have an abundance of thanks for the

51:03

jury. Each of them

51:05

gave so much of themselves to sit on that

51:08

jury for such a lengthy trial.

51:11

Time away from their failings, their

51:14

job, and their daily lives

51:16

to sit and listen and

51:18

eventually to come to a judgment. I

51:22

cannot imagine how stressful

51:25

and difficult the distance has been on

51:27

them. We

51:29

have prayed for them every day and will

51:32

continue to do so as they re-enter

51:34

their lives. May you

51:37

all be blessed. Over

51:40

the last three years we had only begun

51:42

to learn to rebuild, to

51:45

learn to move forward here in

51:47

Kingston with us. Now

51:49

the real work begins because

51:52

our story does not end

51:54

here. Mollard

52:06

and Smich were sentenced to life

52:08

imprisonment with no parole eligibility for 25

52:10

years, but

52:12

the investigations into the two were by

52:14

no means concluded. As we mentioned in

52:16

2012, Delon Mollard's ex-girlfriend

52:18

Laura Babcock disappeared without a

52:21

trace, and after the collection

52:23

of evidence, Smich and Mollard had since been

52:25

charged with her murder. Additionally,

52:27

evidence pointed to Delon Mollard as

52:30

the suspect in his father's death.

52:34

In the next episode, part two of the

52:36

three-part series, we'll learn more about

52:38

the life and death of Laura Babcock. Then,

52:40

in part three, we'll uncover what

52:43

happened to Wayne Mollard. And

52:45

that's it for Dark Poutine episode 317, Shadows of

52:47

Deception Part 1, The Murder of Tim

52:51

Bosma. What a wasted life.

52:53

Oh my gosh. Anyway,

52:56

we wanted to mention before we

52:58

go to voicemails, episode

53:01

276, The Shooting of Jacob

53:03

Sansom and Maurice Cardinal,

53:08

one of the killers, Roger

53:10

Bilodeau, has just received day

53:12

parole. And Sarah

53:15

Sansom, who is the

53:17

wife of Jacob, is in

53:19

our yumber yard, and she's quite upset about

53:21

that, of course. Of course she is.

53:25

You know my feelings about... I've

53:27

shared them many times, Mike, about parole.

53:32

And this one really

53:36

hit my heart, you know? After

53:38

we did that story, you inevitably feel a

53:41

bit of a connection, even though

53:43

we didn't know him. Yeah. Them,

53:45

sorry. And I feel for

53:47

her and her family, and yeah,

53:50

I just wanted to make sure that we let

53:52

our listeners know that

53:54

once again, somebody who's done something

53:57

that horrible is out on day

53:59

parole. to be with his family when

54:02

Sarah and her

54:04

family don't have their

54:07

loved ones at home with them anymore. And

54:10

it's unfair and it's horrible and

54:12

something's got to change. That's

54:27

right. It's time for voicemails. You

54:31

can leave us a message at 1-877-327-5786 or

54:36

1-877-DARK-PTS. We'd love to

54:38

hear from you. Let's

54:41

see who called us this week. Let's

54:44

listen to our first voicemail. Hello,

54:49

Mike and Matthew. This is Elaine

54:51

calling from Williams Lake, BC. I've

54:53

been listening to the show forever.

54:55

Mike, I was at The Real

54:57

for the taping, live taping, episode

55:00

100, hoping that I can

55:02

see you guys live again at some point. I'm

55:05

calling today because I just heard Matthew's

55:08

comment that it's okay sometimes to laugh

55:10

at funerals and that brought up this

55:12

story. It was

55:14

1991. My grandmother had just passed away. My

55:18

kids were eight and ten at the time.

55:21

And we were taking the funeral

55:23

home's limousine from Richmond into

55:26

Burnaby to the cemetery and

55:28

it seemed to be taking

55:30

forever. In the car was the,

55:33

you know, very staid limousine driver,

55:35

my parents, my youngest sister, and

55:37

her husband, and my

55:39

family. So we are driving and

55:42

driving and finally we come over a rise

55:44

in the hill and there's

55:46

the cemetery and somebody goes, oh, there it

55:48

is. And my 10-year-old

55:50

son pipes up. People

55:53

are dying to get there. Well,

55:56

I thought the poor limo driver was going

55:58

to drive off the road. His

56:00

shoulders were shaking so bad,

56:04

but it did break up a little bit

56:06

of attention. However, it was my dad's mom

56:08

that had passed away and dad's in the

56:10

car listening to his beloved grandson saying stuff

56:12

like that. Anyways, I

56:14

hope you guys have a great day. Love

56:17

the show. Can't say you know

56:19

what. So we'll just leave

56:21

it at that. Take care. There

56:24

must be little ears about. Oh

56:28

gosh. Yeah. It's a, I don't

56:30

know. My Mike, you've, you've met

56:32

members of my family and, and you

56:35

know, that we are a very jokey

56:37

sort of family, right? Having fun,

56:40

always having a laugh. And it's,

56:42

it's, it's how we deal with

56:44

things sometimes is just via humor.

56:46

Yeah. Yep. I mean, so

56:48

I get it. I, I get it.

56:51

It's hilarious. I mean, that's how, uh,

56:54

my grandmother's funeral, my, uh, dad's

56:56

mom, she passed away in

56:58

1993, I believe. And

57:02

so at the funeral we

57:04

walk in, my sister and I are sort of together

57:06

and mom, dad are ahead and, uh,

57:09

they had, I was expecting a

57:12

full body, uh, like a casket,

57:14

but there was a, there was a,

57:16

an urn at the front and,

57:19

and I turned to my sister and

57:21

I said, well, there, I guess that's our grandmother, but

57:23

I don't know how they fit her in there. Oh

57:26

gosh. And everybody

57:28

just sort of giggled a little bit. I

57:31

mean, she was, she was very, very old

57:33

and, and she'd been suffering for quite some

57:35

time, so it was a bit

57:37

of relief when she passed away because

57:39

she wasn't in a good way for a

57:41

long time, but anyway, um,

57:44

let's move on. Here's

57:46

our next voicemail you heard from

57:48

Lauren Novak, who, uh, was the

57:50

brother of one of the boys on the

57:52

tracks from that episode, which

57:54

is interesting. Um, he, he left

57:57

his phone number as well, so we won't play that

57:59

on the. on the show but

58:01

it's interesting that he said it

58:03

was a good episode so we'll give him a call

58:05

he says he's got more info. Yeah let's do that.

58:08

Here's another. Howdy boys this is Donny

58:10

from Pickett County, Nova Scotia. I got

58:13

a couple ideas for future shows.

58:16

You guys did the Hillcrest Mining Disaster there

58:18

in I think it was like somewhere

58:21

in the hundreds and you guys did the Empress of

58:23

Ireland. I got a couple more ideas for

58:25

a show. How about you guys

58:28

cover the Westway Mining Disaster and

58:30

the wreck of the SS Atlantic.

58:33

Love the show. Go take a shoot in your hat

58:36

boys. Yeah there you go.

58:39

Yes we did cover both of those

58:41

and those other two that you mentioned

58:43

are definitely on the list to do.

58:46

So we may be doing a disaster episode

58:48

here pretty soon. Or

58:51

two. Or two. Of

58:53

a sense of it. Thank you for calling. Yeah.

58:55

This week's voicemails. Again you

58:58

can leave us one at 1-877-327-5786 or 1-877-DARKPTN. We'd

59:07

love to hear from you even if it is just to

59:09

say hi and to tell us to go shit in our

59:12

hats. If you're stumped for what to chat with

59:14

us about a quick story is welcome. Next

59:16

we have patrons and donut money donors. We

59:19

don't have any patrons but we do have

59:21

two donut money donors. We

59:23

have Helen Stubbs whose name I

59:25

recognize for sure. Donation

59:28

for most excellent Canadian podcast A

59:30

from Helen in Napanee, Ontario right

59:32

by the prisons that hold so

59:35

many of your podcast protagonists. Ugh

59:38

I don't work there. Nice I

59:40

guess. Love you guys. Thank

59:43

you. Thank you. Thank you Helen. Very

59:45

much appreciated. What

59:47

do you think if she doesn't work at the prison

59:49

in Napanee Matthew what do you think she does there?

59:52

Well she doesn't do anything anymore

59:55

because she had a number one

59:57

hit song in the 1970s. Oh,

1:00:00

what? Pray tell

1:00:03

what was it? Was it what genre

1:00:05

was it number one? Uh,

1:00:08

so it was pop Okay

1:00:11

Yeah, and the song called was was called

1:00:13

mutt of the month Okay,

1:00:16

I guess somebody if you can find

1:00:18

that have a listen. Yeah, and she

1:00:21

was singing about uh, her her

1:00:24

her boyfriend cheating on her. Oh, yeah,

1:00:26

and she she called um Each

1:00:29

woman the mother the mother of the month. There

1:00:31

you go Well, there

1:00:33

you go. I can't believe you don't know that song. I

1:00:36

don't know that song Next

1:00:38

we have Angela Marie Weselink

1:00:40

and Angela Marie Doesn't

1:00:43

say where she's from so we'll figure that

1:00:45

out But she says money towards cleaning all

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of the shit out of your hats and

1:00:50

my podcast. Thanks So

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that's what we need instead of

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donut money is like dry cleaning

1:00:57

bills Dry dry cleaning our poopy

1:00:59

toques Um, so

1:01:01

Matthew Let's

1:01:04

see where she's from. I think

1:01:06

you have that information there. I do

1:01:09

she's actually Uh

1:01:11

from ac she's actually from near you. Oh,

1:01:13

okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, what what town

1:01:15

do you live in again? Langley. Yeah, so

1:01:17

she's from the other one Abbotsford.

1:01:20

Yeah, she lives in abbotsford, which is

1:01:22

actually quite a ways away, right? and

1:01:25

and Her last name sort of

1:01:27

gives it away She actually

1:01:29

uh, it's it's a family name

1:01:32

Okay, Wes. Okay, so Wes link trains

1:01:34

you're gonna see them coming through connecting

1:01:36

all the towns soon So she's building

1:01:39

a new train system. Oh, well, that's

1:01:41

good. Yeah, we need we need more

1:01:43

trains. I'm all for more trains Absolutely.

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She's the she's the West

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