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he's an asshole. Let's talk

5:33

about a Michael Calvin Richardson Michael

5:37

Richardson football player. Yeah

5:39

on one of the most famous teams of all

5:41

time as a matter of fact Super

5:44

Bowl rings adorning really absolutely. I will

5:46

talk a little bit about him nickname.

5:49

Here is LA Mike Now

5:51

LA Mike you're thinking because we'll find out

5:54

he's born and he's born and raised in

5:56

Compton That's LA. So you

5:58

think it's Los Angeles Mike, but That's not what

6:00

his nickname, that's not what the LA

6:02

stands for. No, Buddy Ryan gave him

6:04

the nickname, Coach Buddy Ryan, and it's

6:07

definitely not complimentary and it's fucking hilarious.

6:09

So, where did we get to

6:11

that? So here he is. He's born

6:13

May 23, 1961. Oh. Like

6:16

I said, in Compton. He's a Compton guy.

6:19

He's a

6:21

defensive back when he gets older here.

6:24

6 foot, 187 pounds. He

6:26

plays cornerback. Yeah. That's a DB.

6:29

He's a size DB, especially for when he played in the

6:31

80s. Right. Now, you know,

6:33

guys are a little taller, you like that, but because

6:35

these receivers are 6'4", so. God

6:38

damn it, they're so big. When you got a guy like that, yeah,

6:40

it's hard to defend him when you're 5'11". That's

6:42

not easy. Yeah, and it feels like they're... Especially when

6:44

they have off- Right.

6:48

That's the other part. Like Megatron was fuckman. The

6:51

lines were god-awful and he was such a spectacle

6:53

because he's an enormous target. You just throw it

6:55

anywhere near him. Rob it. He's

6:57

from the defenders and he'll figure it out because it's so

7:00

long and then athletic too on top of

7:03

it. I think he was 6'6". And he was

7:05

smart the way he did shit. I think he's

7:07

6'5", 6'6". I mean, these guys, they're so huge.

7:09

It started with Randy Moss being ungodly fast and

7:11

6'4". There was no way to defend him. So

7:14

they tried to get taller corners, but you have to have

7:16

a corner who's quick enough to keep up with these guys

7:18

too. And that's so hard to do. It's really hard to

7:20

find. And anybody that's over 6'4", they want

7:22

him in a receiver anyway. They want him as a

7:24

receiver or if they're bulkier, they want him as a

7:26

tight end. Sure. These light tight ends

7:28

that you see now all the time. So yeah, he

7:30

goes to Compton High, which I have

7:32

a friend that went to Compton High actually. And

7:37

a nickname for the school, the

7:40

mascot that they had is... Oh boy. It's

7:42

a bit much. You know what it is.

7:44

It's a bit... Yeah. I

7:47

don't even like saying it. I get what they're going

7:49

for. I don't. What's it

7:51

for? It's the Tar Babes. I know.

7:54

Which is... because the Tar Pits are there. Oh!

7:58

The Tar Pits. California

8:00

Southern California is famous for the tar pit. Yeah, that's what

8:02

it was. So that's I don't like that at all

8:05

Yeah, and Compton wasn't a

8:08

when this high school came about to Compton wasn't

8:10

even a black area You know what I mean?

8:12

So but now it doesn't when

8:14

my friend whose name was hey Was

8:17

telling me that he played for Compton. He played

8:19

basketball for him and told me that that was

8:21

their Baskot I was like for real like

8:23

get the fuck out of here. That's not real and he goes

8:25

it is He goes

8:27

yeah, it is. I was like get the fuck out of

8:29

here I said on your shirt it said that across so

8:31

he goes yeah. Oh Alright,

8:34

so whatever So

8:36

anyway, yeah, that's that's what's going on there

8:38

He goes to Arizona State as we'll talk

8:41

about so really he's a Sun devil as

8:43

Jimmy will know ends up playing for the

8:45

Bears Later on we'll talk all about it.

8:47

So is that right? Yes He's

8:50

a I'm the most famous

8:52

defense that's ever existed. So That's

8:55

right. We'll talk about it here. His father's

8:57

name is blue Okay

8:59

blue first name. Yeah, that's

9:01

what they call him and his mother's name is Bobby So

9:04

blue and Bob blue and Bobby he's

9:06

got six sisters Mike

9:09

right six sisters and him five of them.

9:11

Oh my five of them are older than

9:13

him, too What is one

9:15

younger sister? So imagine the amount of babying

9:17

that went on there with five older sisters,

9:20

but that's crazy They it's not even like they

9:22

just wanted to have a boy So they kept

9:24

right because when you have another one, that's a

9:27

girl after you don't even have the excuse of

9:29

like Well, we're just gonna keep trying so we

9:31

had one. I feel like they had the boy

9:34

Okay, they had the boy then they're like, all

9:36

right. We've we've turned the tides now.

9:38

We're having boys. Let's even it up I

9:40

don't have them boys and they had another one of the girl. They're

9:42

like, all right fucking shut it down No

9:46

more fresh on it down the coffee machine off

9:48

again. I can't we only have a certain amount

9:50

of bathrooms We can have no more daughters in

9:52

this house anymore This

9:55

is crazy. So yeah, he'll have

9:57

a son and a daughter later on who we'll talk

9:59

about doesn't name them after him. So

10:01

that's helpful. Yeah, that's helpful, I guess.

10:03

Interesting. So his mother Bobby's a teacher

10:05

and his father's name is Blue.

10:07

His real name's Calvin, but he goes by

10:10

Blue. Everybody calls him Blue. He's an Air

10:12

Force veteran and... That's probably

10:14

why. They said he kept his family

10:16

in military shape type of deal. You

10:18

know what I mean? Tough guy. Yeah.

10:20

A childhood friend of Michael said,

10:23

quote, he would drive around in his camper and

10:26

you could do no wrong if he was in

10:28

the neighborhood because he was watching over everybody. In

10:31

a camper? Just driving around eyeballing the

10:33

kids in a camper. Hey, stop doing

10:35

that. All right. Mr. Richardson

10:38

said to stop. Mr. Richardson

10:40

and his RV told him no.

10:42

Seems like he could have picked a more fuel

10:44

efficient model for that, just for money. You know,

10:47

gas costs money, so he's driving around three miles

10:49

to the gallon. He

10:52

might as well have sold ice cream while he did

10:54

it. It's probably his second home so he can ride

10:56

it off. That's true. He doesn't care. He

10:58

might as well have sold bomb pops and

11:01

snow cones and shit because he's riding around

11:03

and making contact. You're driving around five miles

11:05

an hour. Get a fucking song going

11:07

on. Five miles an hour with the

11:10

wear and tear. You got oil changes.

11:12

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Come on,

11:14

man. They'll tear your car up. This

11:18

guy also said his mother and father were

11:20

incredible people who raised the community. I don't

11:23

think he raised it up. Not like they

11:25

raised all the children, I don't think. Not

11:28

like burning it down. Yeah. So

11:30

more like in Deadwood when they say Seth Bullock raises up

11:32

the community. I think it's one of those. He raises the

11:34

camp and so I think it's that sort of thing. So

11:38

he had six sisters, like we said,

11:40

and a friend of his, the same

11:43

guy said, quote, they always babied Mike as exactly

11:45

what you would think would happen. Yeah. Fuck yeah.

11:47

He's going to turn into a doll for Christ's

11:49

sake. They're going to surpass them around and even

11:51

if one of the girls or two of the

11:53

girls doesn't give a shit about kids, that's still

11:56

three other older sisters that are passing him around.

11:58

So they said he was always the center of attention,

12:00

being a boy and being one of the

12:03

youngest. He had a personality, he

12:05

had talent, and he was good-looking. The girls

12:07

had to take a second seat. So

12:10

yeah, that's I guess he was the star of the

12:12

family because he was the only boy and

12:14

he seemed special in some way. So they

12:17

all... Good personality, James. Yeah, they

12:19

all like all hands on deck

12:21

and making Michael okay, which

12:23

is gonna be... think about between that

12:26

and then being an athlete, the level of

12:28

pampering you the

12:30

real world is gonna kick you right

12:32

in the taint. Unless

12:37

you're Tom Brady and you make a

12:40

hundred, five hundred million dollars or whatever

12:42

the hell he makes, you

12:44

better buckle up for

12:46

a fall. His ass has never been

12:48

chapped from all the wet wipes. Never,

12:50

never. Every day it's

12:53

just moist and powdered. Powdered fucking

12:55

lovely. His whole ass. Unbelievable. It's

12:57

still baby soft. He's 60 years

13:00

old right now. You could still probably... Not

13:02

a wrinkle in his ball. Nothing. No. Smooth

13:05

balls. His balls look like a... like

13:07

an old actress's face. Just pulled tight.

13:12

Jesus Christ. Let go and

13:15

close the space. Just tight.

13:19

Tight and right up. Ratcheted. So

13:24

when he was growing up, in

13:27

all of this, he was born in 62,

13:29

so Compton wasn't a bad neighborhood

13:31

back then. No, it was a pretty decent place.

13:33

It was a middle class neighborhood. There

13:35

was a lot of people that worked at... there

13:37

was a factory there, some sort of air thing.

13:39

I can't remember what it was. Carrier or some

13:42

shit? Engine factory, something, but a lot of residents

13:44

worked there. It was that sort of deal. Then

13:47

things started to change after the Watts

13:49

riots in 65. Once the Watts riots

13:51

happened, all the white people fucking ran

13:53

away. So they moved to Orange County.

13:56

Yeah, they

13:58

moved to Orange County and then this happened. And

14:00

so then by 1970, by

14:03

the time he was nine, he went from being a

14:05

real nice neighborhood when he was born to having the

14:07

highest crime rate in California by 1970. Another

14:10

Calvin that'll go by Snoop movie next door.

14:12

More Calvin, not Blue. That's

14:15

the right. By

14:17

the way, did you see that all of that

14:19

has fucking, I'm quitting fucking smoking

14:21

bullshit? There's no fucking way he's quitting smoking.

14:24

Did you see what it was though? He's

14:26

not. Do you know what it was? What

14:28

is it? This is very stupid to talk about

14:30

now, but he said in his fucking social media thing that

14:32

was retweeted hundreds of thousands

14:34

of times and everything, I'm giving up

14:36

smoke. He's

14:39

... Oh my God. He's shilling. He's

14:42

a fucking ... He's shilling for

14:44

a smokeless fireplace. That's

14:46

what it is. They came out with the ad

14:48

campaign of Snoop sitting next to one of those

14:50

metal canisters that has a fire in it saying,

14:52

I gave up smoke. No more

14:54

smoke. It's a smokeless fire. I'm so

14:57

mad. I

14:59

knew he was selling something based

15:01

on the three subsequent posts of

15:04

please respect my privacy. I'm like,

15:06

come on. There's a gimmick

15:08

up here. This is dumb. But I

15:11

figured it was going to be he was

15:13

selling edibles or some shit like that. But

15:15

it has literally nothing to do with weed.

15:17

Some marketing person had a genius idea. I

15:20

hate this marketing person already. And got a

15:22

lot of attention for it. Now it's a

15:24

lot to write in the balls. Never

15:27

ever say the brand of this, James. I

15:29

didn't. That's why I said

15:31

a smokeless fireplace. Suck your brand. I think

15:33

they had enough pop. They don't need us

15:35

at this point. This would really be superfluous

15:37

and pointless. If he was

15:40

selling snickers, I'd never fucking say snickers

15:42

either. Ever again. Yeah. That

15:44

was bullshit. And it's funny because I have his weed. Death

15:47

row weed he puts out. So I'm like ... So

15:49

there's people like ... There's other ... There's no way

15:51

he's going to stop that. That's going to make him a billion

15:53

fucking dollars. There's other ... He's got a show that he likes

15:55

it. This product is terrible. It's not

15:58

good for me. You should buy it though. That's

16:00

not gonna work. I can't do that. My

16:02

family told me to give it up, but you should buy it.

16:04

If you saw Ray Kroc, he had a cheeseburger in his hand,

16:06

period. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't gonna go, oh, I'm

16:08

a vegetarian. That shit's terrible for your heart. He was not gonna

16:10

say that. I loved it

16:12

when he died. His wife gave all his shit

16:14

away. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you imagine? Work

16:18

your fucking balls off your whole life. Marry

16:20

a 20-year-old hotter woman, and then she

16:22

outlives you and gives everything he worked

16:25

for away. I think he knew

16:27

that was coming. I think he made that choice. Probably.

16:29

He probably knows the woman better than weed. I think

16:31

he made the choice, and he's like, I'd like to

16:33

spend the last moments of my life. A

16:37

great woman. A sexy woman

16:39

here. Yeah. So, yeah,

16:41

that was ridiculous. There was people responding to

16:43

him, too, like other celebrities going, I'm

16:45

thinking about it, too, and it's not good for

16:48

me and all this stuff. Oh, right. And it's

16:50

like, he can't even respond. No, no, weed's great.

16:52

Stop. I sell it. That's

16:54

my business. Please always buy my brand. Yeah, buy

16:56

it. Really good. That had to make him feel

16:58

real dumb. I hope it did. Can we

17:01

come out with the fireplace shit already? Because this is really...

17:03

This is killing my brand. This is bugging

17:05

me up. Fuck your brand. Oh, man. So,

17:10

anyway, Compton got worse is the point here,

17:12

and Stoop was from Long Beach, not Compton,

17:14

by the way. Right. He

17:16

was a Long Beach guy. It was easy. He

17:19

was from Compton. Yeah, a lot of the other

17:21

guys are from Compton, but he's all Long Beach

17:23

because my cousin Ian, who does the research for

17:25

crime and sports, he went to high school with

17:28

him. I saw him in his yearbook.

17:31

I don't think he's ever said he's from Compton. I think

17:33

he always said LBC. That's Long Beach. Yeah, yeah. That

17:35

was Long Beach. In his yearbook, though, his name

17:38

is Cortazar, not Calvin. Huh.

17:41

His yearbook. First name? It

17:43

says Cortazar Brodus under his name in the yearbook. Wow. Maybe

17:46

it's easier to spell. He looks nine.

17:48

It's funny. He still does. Yeah, he

17:51

still looks nine. So,

17:53

he's just a mess,

17:55

this guy. Now, we'll talk about,

17:58

he's going to, I'll give you an overview. of

18:00

what's going to happen here. And this is what

18:02

he says, Michael Richardson, this is

18:04

after football, after post football. This is when he

18:06

thinks everything is settled, and it's not, by the

18:08

way. He's going to have way more shit to

18:10

do. He says, I just

18:12

lost focus. On

18:15

football? On everything. He said, you

18:17

know what, let's do it in their own words here, of his

18:19

whole life. And then it's

18:21

going to really make a lot of sense later what he says

18:23

here. So here we go. In their

18:25

own words, quote, I just lost

18:27

focus. At some point, the party

18:30

has to stop and my party didn't stop. And

18:32

if the party is 24 hours around the clock,

18:34

eventually you're going to get into trouble. Unfortunately,

18:37

I had to experience some pain to change,

18:39

and that's a real motivator. Sometimes

18:41

the fire gets hot enough, you have to

18:44

get away from the place where you get

18:46

burned, and it takes some people longer than

18:48

others to change. I just thank God for

18:50

who I am today. I'm definitely a different

18:52

person today. Did he say ain't

18:54

no party like a death row party because the death

18:56

row party don't stop? 24 hours, baby. That's

19:00

what he said. That's basically what he said. And then

19:02

it gets too hot. Unbelievable. All

19:04

metaphors, very,

19:07

like just a weird, like

19:09

oblique fucking, it's just strange.

19:12

He's a strange, keep that in mind.

19:16

He's going to have a football career, have some problems,

19:18

and then he's going to think he's all good now.

19:21

And that says I'm good now, speech, okay? And

19:24

then something way worse than he's

19:26

ever done happens after that. I

19:28

thank God for who I am today. I'm definitely

19:31

a different person today. Remember

19:33

that for later. He

19:36

said he started using all

19:38

sorts of substances when he was about 13, when

19:40

he started getting dangerous. And this

19:43

is the early 70s too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was

19:45

really loose because he- It was really California. Yeah. Like

19:47

when I grew up in the 80s, like as a

19:49

child, there was drugs, like I saw drugs around and

19:51

stuff, and like the house and this, you know. Yeah.

19:55

You knew who was doing what way. Yeah. In

19:58

the early 70s, it was way more

20:00

loose. So, he

20:02

said, his friend said that, to

20:05

his knowledge, that Richardson wasn't doing anything except

20:07

smoking weed, though, around 13. That's

20:10

when he started with that, though. But

20:13

when he was about 14, his friend said

20:15

that he observed Michael now hanging out with

20:17

and talking to gang members, people who are

20:19

obvious gang members. You know your neighborhood, you

20:21

know who's in a gang. You know who's

20:24

who, yeah. Yeah. He told Richardson,

20:26

his friend said, to stay away from them.

20:29

You shouldn't fucking hang out with those guys. And

20:32

he said he didn't. He said he stopped hanging out with those

20:34

guys when he gave him a kind of a heads up. His

20:37

friend said, I never knew him growing up to

20:39

be part of a street element or involved in

20:41

drugs. He was an athlete. That's how I understood

20:44

Michael. Straight element. And

20:46

that's a lot of times, too, when you get a bad

20:48

neighborhood or there's a lot of gang activity

20:51

and shit, you'll get like,

20:54

if someone's an athlete, basically that

20:56

person's kind of exempt from shit. There's

21:01

different classes. The

21:03

athletes are like, they're not expected to

21:05

be street people. They're not expected to

21:08

be hang out with gang members and

21:10

do all that, but they'll still get a certain

21:12

amount of respect. You know

21:14

what I'm saying? Yeah. Because

21:16

they're athletes. So it's a different level.

21:19

You know what I'm saying? It's like a musician or

21:21

something. They can hang around

21:23

that gang member and not

21:25

have to do anything bad either. That's what I mean.

21:27

You get that he's got to go and shit gets

21:29

weird because he's an athlete. It

21:32

legitimizes that quote unquote crew because they've

21:34

got an actual dude that's going places

21:36

hangs out with us. That's a big

21:38

deal. And then the athlete feels tough

21:40

and cool because he's hanging around with

21:42

cool street people. It's mutual

21:44

copulation, one way or another. It's a

21:46

circle jerk. Yeah. So

21:49

playing football, he loves football. He's very athletic.

21:51

He's tough. And he

21:53

plays a linebacker in high school. So

21:56

he's smaller, but in high school he can get away with that.

22:00

an all-American at Compton High. Is

22:02

that right? Absolutely. He was the first defensive

22:05

player to win California Player of the Year,

22:07

so that's how good he was. Wow.

22:10

First defensive player to pull that

22:12

off. That's impressive. That's really

22:14

impressive. People were after him

22:16

big-time. Recruiters, I mean, it was

22:18

all hands on deck here.

22:20

In 1979, he chose Arizona State.

22:24

Interesting. Could go anywhere.

22:26

Why did he choose Arizona State?

22:28

Oh, because ain't no party

22:31

like a Tempe party. Because the Tempe

22:33

party certainly don't stop. And that's exactly

22:35

why he chose Arizona State. Is that

22:37

right? Yep. And especially back then, ASU

22:40

has slid down the list of top

22:42

party schools. Now if you go

22:44

there, you're like, there's a lot of shitload

22:47

of Indian kids doing engineering. They don't look like

22:49

they're up till five in the morning for it,

22:51

because it's seven and they're doing work. Is there

22:53

a giant math program around

22:55

here? Yeah. Because where are all the

22:57

blonde girls that cut off shorts? Yeah,

22:59

I don't see any of them. They

23:01

don't exist anymore there. No. And it's

23:03

once they moved because of

23:06

all the rapes and stuff that were happening down there, they

23:08

moved. No, James, I'm

23:11

done. I swear it has

23:13

something to do with it. This college is

23:15

so fucking crazy that they were

23:17

like, we have to physically move where people are

23:20

because there's too many rapes. It's just rape after

23:22

rape. We really gotta move stuff. But

23:24

it was driving up the crime rate on

23:26

campus, so they moved all the rats and

23:28

sororities off campus. And since they

23:30

moved all that shit away. Make that city of

23:32

Pepsi, fuck off. That's your

23:34

responsibility now. Campus Security has no part

23:37

in this. Wow. We'll be investigating

23:39

none of this. We know more rapes are gonna

23:41

happen and we don't want any part of it,

23:43

essentially. But as soon as they got rid of

23:45

all that shit, the parties

23:47

fucking dropped. They plummeted. Yeah. There's nothing there anymore.

23:49

And now it's just like a lot of engineering

23:52

stuff and math stuff. And I mean, I'm sure

23:54

there's partying still. Don't get me wrong, but it's

23:56

not what it was. It's

23:58

an old man thing to say. When I

24:00

was when I was in a high school and

24:02

and when I probably should have been in college

24:04

That's about the peak of long when the cool

24:07

stuff was there Yeah, it started drop off Nothing.

24:09

I've not that me not being a part of

24:11

it made it uncool But as soon as I

24:13

stopped being old enough to go to that shit

24:15

it plummeted their whole out. Jimmy didn't show up

24:17

to the party Put

24:21

the keg away he's not coming the

24:24

guy that all the girls said no to won't be

24:26

here. It's no Seriously,

24:28

no, don't hand out any

24:30

more cups We're

24:32

not always always start the party if he shows

24:34

up to be told to go home. Yeah, we're

24:36

not No, we're not raping tonight. It's off No,

24:41

the Friday night All

24:45

sexual criminal activity we're gonna stop that

24:47

now Yeah, we were keeping it

24:49

warm for Jimmy, but he's not coming. So fuck

24:51

it. Never mind That That's

24:54

why he went party school and in the 80s it was

24:56

and it was Party school, you

24:58

know Avenue was the shit. I mean, yeah,

25:01

he loved it Plus he liked the idea of living

25:03

in Phoenix because his Phoenix was a much smaller place

25:05

back then sure You know him there was

25:07

like maybe half a million people in the valley

25:09

in 1983 Maybe all

25:11

suburbs involved now James. There are five million

25:13

people in silver. Yeah, it's huge It's a

25:16

huge craze and that this was like, you

25:18

know, it was small North Phoenix This

25:20

really and then the other

25:22

part. Yeah dirt back then. Yeah suburbs were

25:26

There was no city in between them.

25:28

Yeah, the suburbs were farms I mean, it

25:30

was Gilbert Gilbert was lettuce farms. It wasn't

25:32

there were fucking no houses there like that

25:34

surprise That was that even a fucking named

25:37

town back then it was named in like

25:39

a long time ago But it was like

25:41

it was literally called that because the lady

25:43

said she'd be surprised if it would become

25:45

anything Well, there you go I

25:49

agree with her. I still agree with her. I'm surprised

25:51

anybody lives there every time I go there Yeah, I'd

25:53

say this is a big surprise that people Cars

25:58

make it out I gotta be

26:00

honest with you. This is just the desert.

26:02

There's nothing here. This is bullshit So

26:06

a teammate in front of his

26:09

said we partied we drank

26:11

a lot of alcohol We smoked a

26:13

lot of pot toward our senior year

26:15

cocaine got introduced and we started doing

26:17

cocaine. Oh This

26:19

is early 80s I mean in Phoenix especially

26:21

the Phoenix has never been a hard place

26:23

to get drugs It's that's one thing about

26:26

Phoenix of any time never been difficult to

26:28

get drugs That's an

26:30

early adopter of recreational

26:32

cocaine use I think to in in

26:34

in Arizona because I didn't I don't

26:36

I don't recall that time of

26:39

Life knowing well then I was

26:41

a child in New York. It was huge.

26:43

It was huge and you oh god Yeah,

26:45

in New York. It was huge since the

26:47

early 70s. I mean it was my first

26:49

place that got big well They're in Miami

26:51

obviously. Yeah, my sister's dad got arrested for

26:53

cocaine possession in like 88 and

26:56

my mom was she was like Where do

26:58

you even find that? everywhere

27:03

Go to the circle came on everywhere.

27:05

Trust me Plenty of

27:07

it. I remember saying that though. I was just like

27:09

what? Really

27:11

I get you some if you look at I'm

27:14

eight. I'll find I know a guy trust me Somebody's

27:18

mom's got that stashed away. He

27:20

knows where this baffled this. I mean I'd already

27:22

seen it in movies by then I was baffled.

27:25

She was like so baffled Really

27:29

Wow, okay seems easy from what I look for the

27:31

judge I see my you're pretty

27:33

shelter. Yeah, I get out more Out

27:37

more you're lame. So the

27:39

thing is though when you're fucking 20 this

27:42

doesn't affect you on the field Yeah,

27:44

unless you're like to doing it to an

27:47

extent where you know, you're you're like hungover

27:49

on the field I like a life it

27:51

you know, you're 20 you bounce back when

27:53

you're 20. Oh, you're fine So he's

27:56

fine. I swear out in the Sun you sweat it

27:58

out. You're okay. That's what he did running

28:00

a mountain. Yeah, there you go. You're

28:02

fine. He's moved to safety in his

28:05

freshman year because a little small for

28:07

linebacker in college. Finn is the

28:09

problem. It's not the height that's the issue. He's 190 pounds?

28:11

Yeah, 187 is not a linebacker. I

28:16

mean, that's rough for a linebacker.

28:18

So he does great at safety

28:20

right away, excels. He's named

28:23

an honorable mention in the All-Pack

28:25

10 and he won the team's

28:27

Outstanding Freshman Award. Fuck.

28:29

So I mean, he's a bad motherfucker. 1979

28:32

with ASU, there's six and six under

28:35

that Frank Kush asshole. Who I believe,

28:37

yes, this is when he left. He

28:39

only coached half the season this

28:42

year. Really? Yeah, remember he got fired for the

28:44

whole issue. Abusing kids? For

28:46

abusing all these kids, yeah. He

28:49

got shit-canned for that and then obviously gets hired

28:51

by Baltimore because you want to give that guy

28:53

a fucking promotion. Well, ASU

28:55

can fucking suck it with their high horse of

28:57

we fired him because he was bad. You named

29:00

your fucking field after him. Yeah, then they named

29:02

the field after him and then he was there

29:04

all the time. Yeah, you're not ashamed.

29:06

No. Eat shit. And also, I love when a coach

29:08

like that goes to the pros because you know for

29:11

a fact they're not gonna succeed. It's the reason why

29:13

Bobby Knight never coached in the NBA because if

29:15

you treat a fucking pro like that, they'll knock

29:17

you on your fucking old ass. I dare you

29:19

to say some shit to Sprewald. DARE you. Yeah,

29:23

well a football team. You're gonna go to an

29:25

NFL team and you're gonna tell a man who's

29:27

30 years old and has three kids and a

29:29

mortgage and puts food on his table

29:31

by knocking other grown men fucking unconscious. You're

29:33

gonna grab him by the face mask and

29:35

yell in his face. He's gonna spike you

29:37

on the fucking ground like a ball. You

29:40

nuts? And

29:43

the reason why John Elway is a

29:45

fucking Bronco is because he would not

29:48

play for Frank Cush in Baltimore. Yeah,

29:51

it wasn't that Baltimore sucked or they were shit

29:53

franchise. He said I'm not playing for that asshole

29:55

and his dad was a coach too. His dad

29:57

said you're not playing for that asshole. He's an

29:59

asshole. because it's like shit about what you

30:01

there and john played him being in the back

30:03

ten to the other hand for the you know

30:05

his dad knew him because he's a coach while

30:08

an asshole i'm not what my kid play for

30:10

the fucking guy is not about you they are

30:12

not sure they recruited him and he refused to

30:14

come here to as you possibly

30:16

a i've been possible i'm not sure of

30:18

the blue i'm here to

30:20

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so um... anyway that year they go six

31:38

and six so there's a mediocre asu team

31:40

and that's why you get fired not good but

31:42

listen to all the... you don't beat kids and

31:45

lose that's the thing if you beat kids you

31:47

better be national champion whatever yeah you better be

31:49

national champion there is a shit load of nfl

31:51

players on this team there is one two three

31:53

four five six seven eight nine ten twelve nfl

31:56

players on this team i mean

31:58

say what you want about beating kids but it

32:00

makes a successful. Yeah. Three NFL

32:02

quarterbacks on the roster this year. Who?

32:05

That is fucking impressive. They have Mark

32:07

Malone. Remember he was a, remember he's

32:09

a, like a very like traditionally handsome

32:11

guy with a mustache that was on

32:13

ESPN a lot in the late 80s

32:15

early 90s doing the football stuff. Mark

32:18

Malone. Really? Yeah, he's on like prime

32:20

time. He was a quarterback for ASU.

32:22

Yeah, he was Pittsburgh's quarterback

32:24

in the 80s for a long time.

32:26

He replaced Bradshaw. That guy, he was

32:28

their quarterback. Mike Pagel who played for

32:30

the Colts and also the Browns there.

32:33

I remember him. Yeah, he was like

32:35

a backup that would start sometimes. That's

32:37

Ohio, so alright. Yeah, close enough. Orange.

32:40

There's Orange in there. There's Orange in Ohio.

32:42

Close enough. Sandy

32:45

Osiki, who I don't know who that is,

32:47

but they, NFL logo next to the name.

32:50

So Robert Weathers, a running back Gerald Riggs

32:52

who was a good running back for the

32:54

Redskins and did he go to Tampa for

32:56

a while? Is that that

32:58

Riggs? Gerald Riggs. Is

33:00

he related to John you think? No, that's Riggins.

33:02

That's Riggins. No, this is a black guy. He's

33:04

definitely not related to John. Certainly

33:07

not related to John.

33:09

Not the same. Alvin Moore, another

33:12

running back. Newton Williams, another running

33:14

back. Wide receiver John Mistler, Bernard

33:16

Henry and Melvin Hoover, which is

33:18

a great name for a fucking

33:21

receiver. Hoover. You throw him the

33:23

ball, he just sucks

33:25

it right in. Yeah, I can't get away

33:27

from him. It's a great name. And then

33:30

two tight ends to Ron Wetzel and Jerry

33:32

Bell also in the NFL. So, of course

33:34

beat him into the NFL. Oh wait, and

33:36

then also Vernon Maxwell, not that Vernon Maxwell.

33:41

Ron Brown, another one, so actually add four

33:43

more and then Mike Black, another guy who

33:45

made the NFL. So all these guys. He

33:48

played in 12 games. He had two interceptions

33:50

that year. Mike did, does pretty well. In

33:53

1980, he makes the second team

33:55

all Pac-10 under Darryl Rogers.

33:57

They went 7-4. He

34:00

had eight interceptions that year. Sophomore

34:04

year. Yeah. Honorable, all-American

34:06

honorable mention and

34:08

AP all-American honorable mention and teammates

34:10

voted him defensive MVP in a

34:12

sophomore season. Wow. That's some good

34:15

shit. That's pretty impressive, man. That's

34:17

very impressive. Interceptions is very impressive. That's a

34:20

lie. Yeah, well your teammates being a sophomore

34:22

too, because back then nobody came out early.

34:24

So these are, there's 50-year seniors on the

34:26

team. You're a true sophomore. You were playing

34:28

here. You know, your redshirt year. So. And

34:30

he's taken eight away and given the ball

34:33

back to the offense. That's huge. Yeah, and

34:35

that'll get you the team MVP. He

34:37

played in 11 games that year, had

34:40

eight interceptions, and he,

34:42

not bad at all. Two touchdowns

34:44

too, actually. Oh. Returned two for

34:46

touchdowns. Jesus Christ. He's nasty. I

34:49

mean, he's a monster. He's a monster. Well,

34:51

he is a monster, we'll find out. But

34:53

on the field, yes. So as

34:55

a junior, he really, really had a good

34:58

season. He leads the league again, or leads

35:00

the team with six interceptions. And,

35:02

which interceptions, a lot of them are luck. A lot

35:04

of. Yeah, a lot of them

35:06

are just errant passes that go through some

35:09

hands and bounce. Yeah. It's rarely, it's rarely

35:11

like well played coverage

35:13

and then taken away. It's rarely a

35:15

one-on-one matchup down the sideline where you

35:17

take it from the receiver. Those happen,

35:19

but I mean. Sure. When you get a guy

35:21

with a. It's a misrun route. He's got 11

35:24

picks on the year. He just, five of those

35:26

were tipped up in the air in a whim

35:28

or, you know, it's just luck involved. It happens

35:30

to happen over time. So, but he

35:32

has six. So between six and eight, there's not a big

35:34

difference. That could be two walls at work tips, you know.

35:37

He is named a consensus All-American that

35:39

year. Jesus. Which he becomes

35:41

just the sixth player in ASU

35:43

history to be a consensus All-American.

35:47

Sixth ever. In history, yeah. Wow. First

35:51

team All-Pac-10 and

35:53

ASU that year finished at nine and

35:55

two. Wow. Thumping.

35:57

Yeah. That is awesome. He

36:00

was an All-American. He appeared on Bob

36:02

Hope's NBC Christmas special in 1981. The

36:04

man met Bob Hope! They

36:07

used to do those every year, the Bob Hope

36:09

Christmas special where they'd have all these different... and

36:11

Marie'd come fucking sing a song, and then they'd

36:13

bring out the whole All-American football team for some

36:15

reason. Wow. And show them to you. Here

36:17

they are. There's a guy. There's

36:20

a guy. So,

36:23

yeah, I mean, not the team's getting better.

36:25

He's getting better. Yeah. Not

36:27

too bad. Did he stay four years? Yes. Wow.

36:32

He is team captain in 82. Hell, yeah.

36:34

I mean, that's... fuck, man. So

36:36

he's a leader, too. That's the other thing. Not just a

36:38

defensive captain. Team captain. He

36:41

finished his season that year with 127 tackles. That's

36:44

crazy for 11-12 games. That's a lot.

36:47

Named a consensus All-American, becoming

36:49

just the second ASU player

36:51

to accomplish that twice. Second.

36:54

He had 112 tackles in one season? 127

36:58

in one season? Yeah,

37:01

which is like... That's got to be the most

37:03

ever. That's like an NFL linebacker rate of tackling.

37:06

10 tackles a game. If your safety has 127 tackles, your

37:08

fucking... your defensive line is porous, because that means... Terrible,

37:14

yeah. A lot of running backs are being... Did

37:16

they even play? Yeah. That means a lot of running backs are

37:18

getting past that first level, and that's not good for you. Are

37:21

you sure that's not his career in ASU? That

37:24

is his season in 82. Wow. That's

37:27

a lot. That's... I mean, they might

37:29

blitz him too. I don't know. He's a

37:31

safety, but, you know, he has probably a

37:33

linebacker mentality. He's also two-time Playboy magazine All-American,

37:35

which... What? That's a party.

37:37

You get to go play... They have that, and you

37:39

get to go to the Playboy mansion. Are

37:42

you serious? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They used to do

37:44

the Playboy All-American team, and you, Hefner, would have

37:46

all the guys. Nobody would not show up to

37:48

that shit. No. Yeah. I

37:51

gotta go. Even some of those fucking Christian guys from Alabama

37:53

would be like, Well, I mean, I can't be rude to

37:55

the man. I mean... It's Mama's birthday,

37:57

but I was invited. He got all the...

37:59

titties out for us. I can't tell them

38:02

not to. It's just rude, Mama.

38:04

They went through the trouble of unclasping those

38:06

bras. You know how hard that is? Mama,

38:08

I'm telling you right now, Mama, I'll

38:11

be here for next year's birthday. Mama, they said the

38:13

lupus wasn't that bad. You're going to survive. It's going

38:15

to be okay, I promise you. I promise.

38:18

Keep your sugars down. Keep

38:21

your sugars down. They done took

38:23

you one foot. You don't want

38:25

to lose the other. That's

38:27

what he did. Yeah, he went to go party there, which

38:30

I imagine that was quite the fucking party in 1982. Oh,

38:32

forget it. You were just doing lines of

38:35

coke off of boobs in 82, right? That's

38:37

what the party was. There was no treating

38:39

women nice back then. No, God. That was

38:42

just it for titties around. Do what you

38:44

want. He was like, how many would you

38:46

like? And then he just sends some with

38:48

you probably. Here, wait, take some coke

38:50

to do off their titties. Jesus, that's half the fun. What

38:53

are we doing here? Don't forget your

38:55

robe. Here, here

38:57

you go. Wait, there you go. Smoking jacket now. So

39:02

in 82 though, they have a great season. I

39:04

mean, they really kicked some ass. ASU

39:06

does their 10 and two that year,

39:09

which is pretty goddamn impressive. They go

39:11

all the way to the Fiesta Bowl

39:13

that year. Really? Where they

39:15

defeated Oklahoma, who's a national

39:17

powerhouse. Wow. This put ASU

39:20

in national conversation of- I was just going

39:22

to say, there's no way that ASU was

39:24

considered a viable football team before this. No.

39:26

I mean, they had that one in the

39:28

seventies under Cush. They had that one big

39:30

moment. Was it Rose Bowl or something? It

39:32

had to be something. Something like 77, but

39:35

then it went away and then this kind of made them

39:38

back in prominence. And especially it's in prominence

39:40

because a bunch of these guys went to

39:42

the NFL. Generally, when

39:45

kids are coming out of college to go

39:47

to schools back then, they look at how

39:49

often are they on TV, number one, and

39:51

number two, how many players from those teams

39:53

go to the NFL? Does that coach produce

39:56

NFL draft picks because that's what you want?

39:58

So that's what you go. So

40:00

yeah, in the last two years he was there, they

40:02

went 19 and 4. Unbelievable.

40:04

Not too shabby. He has 18

40:08

career interceptions, which is,

40:11

he has one more than

40:14

Mike Haynes, who had the

40:16

most in school history. Was

40:19

that the guy that played for the Patriots, or the Michael Haynes

40:21

that played for the Saints? Mike Haynes, the

40:23

Raiders' corner from back in the day. Oh,

40:25

corner. Yeah, he's the old Raiders' corner. Oh, yeah,

40:28

yeah, because of the interceptions. Yeah, with the interceptions.

40:30

So yeah, I mean, they're

40:32

still producing a lot of NFL players

40:34

too here, having a

40:36

damn fine time. So he does well. He's

40:38

recognized as an All-American in 1981 and 1982,

40:41

doing fantastic. So

40:44

April of 1983, NFL Draft comes around, the storied

40:46

1983 NFL Draft. This

40:52

is the most famous

40:54

draft in NFL history. There's

40:56

an amazing fucking incredible documentary

40:58

about it. Really? Yeah,

41:01

from L.A. to Marino. Is that right? The ESPN.

41:04

Have I seen that? If you haven't, Jesus

41:06

Christ, Jim, it's all about John Elway and

41:08

how that all happened. How the Broncos got

41:10

Elway. As a Bronco fan, you should watch

41:12

it. But it goes through the whole draft,

41:14

because there's all sorts of fuckery

41:16

going on. This is the draft where Dan

41:18

Marino went 27th, because everybody thought

41:20

he was selling Coke when

41:23

he wasn't. It was fucking ridiculous. So

41:25

I don't even need to ask you. Number

41:27

one player pick in the 1983 draft, John

41:29

Elway, the Baltimore, of course, where he

41:32

wouldn't play. He said, fuck you.

41:34

Not doing that. He almost ended up on the

41:36

Raiders, Jimmy. He was that close. Oh, is that right? They

41:39

had a deal, and the NFL disallowed

41:41

it. Pete Rosell said, no, no, no,

41:43

the Raiders aren't getting John Elway, because

41:46

he was always in a fight with Al Davis.

41:49

So by rights, they should have been able to get him,

41:51

but it didn't work out that way. The Bears tried to

41:53

get him. So who

41:55

went to Baltimore for

41:57

the trade? the

42:01

offensive lineman, Chris Hinton, Chris Hinton,

42:03

yeah. Chris Hinton, who was

42:06

Denver's pick at number four, who was an

42:08

offensive tackle. He went to Baltimore in

42:10

the trade and also draft picks and all that shit.

42:13

Number two overall, Hall of Famer, Eric Dickerson.

42:16

Jesus. Number three is Kurt Warner,

42:18

the not the quarterback, Kurt Warner,

42:20

Kurt with a C, the Seahawks

42:22

running back. Who's a solid

42:24

serviceable running back, but not in

42:27

this draft. He shouldn't have been number three overall.

42:30

He's not in competition. He's not Dickerson. It's

42:33

not between him and Dickerson. No, it's not even close. Billy

42:36

Ray Smith, Jimbo Covert, who's a Hall of

42:39

Fame Chicago Bear tackle with number six. Todd

42:41

Blacklidge, this is where the quarterbacks start

42:43

coming. This is where Marino's seeing guys

42:46

picked ahead of him. Todd

42:48

Blacklidge, obviously. Michael Haddix, a

42:50

very mediocre Philadelphia running back

42:52

who didn't do anything. Bruce

42:54

Matthews goes after that, the

42:56

Hall of Fame Houston slash

42:59

Tennessee guard. Kerry Canard,

43:01

the Giants defensive back goes after

43:03

that. Number 14 is Jim

43:05

Kelly. Oh, wow. And

43:07

he said, the one place I will not

43:09

play is Buffalo. I don't want

43:12

to fucking live there. He's from Pittsburgh. He said,

43:14

I played in Miami. I don't want to fucking

43:16

go to Buffalo. I'm not going back to that

43:18

shit. And that's the theme of draft. And he

43:20

went fuck. And then he went and

43:22

played in the USFL for three years, two years because of

43:24

that. You know what? I'll play here if I get to

43:26

disappoint all of you fucks four years in a row. Four

43:28

years. I'm going to get you back for making

43:30

me live here. So

43:32

Kelly, that's a decent pick. But then

43:34

Tony Eason after that is picked. Again,

43:37

not anywhere near Dan Marino's. No. Fucking

43:40

skill level. Other guy, Willie Gault, the

43:42

Chicago wide receiver who's really good, Joey

43:44

Browner, who's an excellent Minnesota

43:46

defensive back for years. Gary

43:49

Anderson, who was a long time Tampa Bay

43:51

running back in San Diego. All these guys,

43:53

Gabe Rivera, who was a really, really

43:56

good nose tackle who was a Big

44:01

tough son of a bitch in Pittsburgh drafted him and

44:03

then he got in a terrible car accident broke his

44:05

neck like immediately No, yeah terrible

44:08

Jim Jeff coat the Dallas defensive

44:10

end Ken O'Brien 24 at quarterback

44:12

for the Jets Ken

44:15

O'Brien, you know Brian and then

44:18

number 27 finally Dan Marino Being

44:21

picked so he's like Ken fucking O'Brien You

44:23

pick over me. Okay. All right, black

44:26

led black led just Ken O'Brien. Remember that

44:32

And then Daryl green he also be

44:35

Hall of Famer Washington cornerback for you

44:37

in that first round six Hall of

44:39

Famers Wow incredible draft then

44:41

finally here his teammate By the

44:43

way, Arizona State teammate is the

44:45

first round first selection of the

44:47

second round And that is

44:49

Vernon Maxwell He gets picked there and

44:51

then finally number 33 overall

44:53

right after Henry Ellard the wide receiver for the

44:56

Rams for years who by the way was the

44:58

other side of the of The other

45:00

side of the field from flipper Anderson your buddy

45:06

I do have a Christmas ornament to never

45:08

forget that said flipper is not a dolphin

45:11

people wear t-shirts to remind you that flipper

45:13

is not a dolphin God

45:16

damn it. So number 33 the

45:18

Chicago Bears. Yeah shoes Mike Richardson

45:20

So he's ready to go and

45:23

other good players drafted in

45:25

the second round Darryl Talley the great

45:27

linebacker for Buffalo Roger Craig

45:29

goes later in that that is ever just go running

45:31

back and then the Raiders. Yeah, he goes later on

45:33

So quite a few good players

45:35

in this draft here Not

45:37

too shabby at all. And then obviously I have

45:40

to ask you Who's the

45:42

first player picked in the fifth round the

45:45

1983 draft Jimmy you you'll

45:47

never believe it Randall

45:50

cunning sounds like somebody's

45:52

agent got drafted by accident

45:55

They looked at the sheet and they were like, oh,

45:57

yeah him that guy but they accidentally read the agents

45:59

name Sid Abramowitz. That

46:02

guy played the NFL. Sid Abramowitz, sounds like a real name

46:04

of one of the Beastie Boys. Are you kidding me? Sid

46:07

Abramowitz? As

46:09

an NFL player who went to Tulsa. Sid

46:12

Abramowitz went to Tulsa. Out of

46:14

Tulsa, Oklahoma. Very disappointing. There's no

46:16

bagels in this town! For

46:19

four years I've been walking and there's

46:22

nothing. It's just

46:24

no bagels. This is ridiculous. They

46:26

make beef donuts for Christ's sake.

46:28

He'd be walking around Tulsa like

46:30

me walking around going, there's no fucking sauce in

46:32

this town! Where is it?

46:36

So that's amazing. Oh, he vey

46:38

my cholesterol. Oh, he vey the

46:40

cholesterol. All these hush puppies. My

46:43

God. So yes,

46:45

Sid Abramowitz, not your expected NFL draft pick

46:47

there. He was picked by Baltimore. How'd he

46:49

do? How was his career? Doesn't look good.

46:51

22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 23, 24, 25.

46:53

That's not good. 22 games. Wow,

46:55

he got 22 out of it. He got to squeeze 22 out of it.

46:57

Not too shabby, but not that great. Almost two seasons. Jesus

47:00

Christ. So he gets drafted by the Bears and this Bears

47:02

defense even in 83 was really coming up as a

47:09

badass defense. Yeah, it was very well. It was

47:11

respected. Yeah, and 85 is obviously the peak of

47:13

it. On

47:22

his first day of training camp, they said, you're going

47:24

to switch positions first of all. Really?

47:27

We drafted you to be a cornerback, not a safety. So get

47:29

on over there on the wing there, chief. Interesting.

47:32

Which is tough. Yeah. So

47:35

Leslie Frazier, who's a 30-year cornerback, invited

47:37

Richardson to stay on the field after

47:39

practice to work on his technique and

47:41

shit. Like I'll show you footwork. It's

47:43

all about footwork, to not fall

47:45

down running backwards. Body position. Yeah,

47:47

body position is fucking everything in that position. Yep.

47:50

And the Bears said he was so eager to learn and

47:52

very humble. So he loved him.

47:54

Wow. He thought he was a

47:57

great guy. He also connected with Richard Dent, who's a tremendous,

47:59

amazing defense of that. Yeah, um,

48:01

Dent who was, uh, he was also drafted around this

48:03

time. Hall of Famer too, isn't he? I believe he

48:05

might be. If not, he's- He's gotta be in the

48:07

Hall of Fame. I think he's one of those guys

48:09

that we always go, why isn't Richard Dent in the

48:11

Hall of Fame? I think he was like

48:13

a Harry Carson who finally got in. Yeah. He

48:15

was one of those guys. Uh, but they ended up, they

48:17

were drafted at the same time and they bought condos in

48:20

the same building as well. So, yeah, they

48:22

were hanging out. Um, Dent said,

48:24

he taught me how to play bones. His

48:26

mother and my mother became tight. Like

48:29

Domino? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

48:31

yeah, Domino's and his mom's are

48:33

hanging out, so. Hilarious. We're

48:35

playing chicken foot. Fuck yeah. Um, he

48:37

said that he was amazed Richard

48:40

Dent was at the amazing banana

48:42

pudding that Mike Richardson made. That

48:45

he makes. That he makes. He goes, this guy

48:47

can throw together a banana pudding like nobody's business,

48:49

which is the last thing you expected me to

48:52

say about him. Guy's got a blender for Christ's

48:54

sake. It's unbelievable. He expected me to say like

48:57

he can break up a line, get lines of

48:59

coke out faster than anybody else. No,

49:01

no, no, banana pudding is what he makes. Banana

49:04

pudding and cocaine is his specialty. Better than a snack

49:06

pack. It's amazing. Yeah, it's so good. Well,

49:08

he said it was almost as good as his own mother's. Oh,

49:11

and mom makes it too, so he knows good pudding.

49:13

Yeah, that's what I mean. He said it's, and his

49:15

mother's is the best he ever had and this is

49:18

a close second. Wow. Michael

49:20

Richardson's banana pudding. Yeah. Wow.

49:23

So, they ended up, they practiced in Georgia.

49:25

Their training camp was down there for some

49:28

reason that year and they brought

49:30

Richardson, Dent brings Richardson to his mother's house in

49:32

Atlanta to make banana pudding for her to go,

49:34

you got to see how good he can make

49:36

banana pudding. So, he had to go to this

49:38

guy's mom's house and perform and make banana pudding

49:40

for her, which

49:43

is amazing. The kitchen's that way. We'll

49:45

see in a little bit. Yeah,

49:47

bears are eight and eight this year

49:49

and they needed a little more offense as

49:51

the problem here. So, they made Mike Ditka's the

49:53

coach and this is

49:56

a famous team. Mike Singletary, Richardson,

49:59

if you're a wrestling fan. Mongo Steve McMichael

50:01

is on this team. I

50:03

mean this is like Jim McMahon, all of

50:05

the famous Bears guys,

50:07

Dan Hampton. The fridge

50:09

comes in 85. So the fridge will

50:11

come later. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. He was

50:13

a rookie when he won the Super Bowl. Really? Yeah.

50:17

That's why he was such a big thing because he was

50:19

a rookie. He was considered so big at the time, which

50:21

obviously he wasn't compared to

50:23

now. Now he's tiny. Now he's tiny.

50:25

This is quite the squad here of

50:28

badasses. And immediately

50:30

he becomes a starter. Pretty

50:33

goddamn fast. Is that right? On a team

50:35

like this, under Buddy Ryan and everything, that's

50:37

brutal to break into the lineup that fast.

50:40

He plays all 16 games, starts

50:42

14 at cornerback, and

50:44

has five interceptions and two

50:46

fumble recoveries also. So pretty

50:48

goddamn impressive. So they weren't playing when he

50:50

was in high school and college. They all recognized

50:52

this kid's got something different. He's got a ...

50:54

Yeah, there's something different. He can just ... Three

50:56

different positions he's played at. Every level he played

50:59

at. Different position right away. He gets it and

51:01

he goes. Football acumen through the roof. Yeah,

51:03

just amazing. So 84, they're 10 and six,

51:05

the Bears are. They go to the playoffs

51:07

this year. This is like the warm up

51:10

for 85, the warm up run. They go

51:12

to the playoffs. They beat Washington 23-19. Then

51:16

they get beat by the Niners who go on to win the

51:18

Super Bowl that year, beating the Dolphins

51:20

and the Super Bowl. They lose 23-nothing to the

51:22

Niners. It was a very

51:24

good team. Oh boy. That was very

51:27

good. And they got thumped pretty hard, which happens.

51:29

You got to go that ... Oh, also Walter

51:31

Payton. I forgot to mention him. Yeah. One

51:34

of those you just assume obviously in

51:36

Walter Payton. When's the last

51:38

time you saw a blowout in the

51:40

playoffs though? That's a fucking rarity, right?

51:42

Yeah, I guess. I don't know.

51:45

I have given up on UNFL. I

51:47

can't remember a blanking in the playoffs though.

51:50

If I want to watch the NFL, I'll find

51:52

an old game on YouTube. I mean old from

51:54

like ... Even from like eight years ago and

51:56

before. It's not because they're

51:58

fucking soft. Now, no, it's not that at

52:01

all. It's because I'm really really really sick

52:03

of Kevin Hart, and I don't want to

52:05

fucking see his face anymore I'm tired of

52:07

it. Fucking sick of him. Yeah, but

52:09

if I tune in I'm gonna see his fucking

52:11

face I'm gonna see him on every fucking commercial

52:14

embarrassing himself talking like he's really sitting there worried

52:16

about his fan duel bets He's got a hundred

52:18

million dollars. He doesn't fucking care about it, and

52:20

I'm thinking it. I think he's got more than that

52:23

There's a commercial they constantly play now where

52:25

there's these guys sitting there, and they're like

52:27

garbage time shouldn't be garbage time They show

52:29

people leaving at the end of a game

52:31

like 35 to 7 garbage time isn't garbage

52:33

time if you're betting on every play and

52:35

do Yeah, even when the game's

52:38

out of hand still fucking put your family

52:40

harder in throw it in I'm

52:44

fucking right. I don't care gambling is

52:46

do whatever you want But if you

52:48

can't advertise cigarettes on fucking television, but

52:50

you can advertise That at

52:52

the click of a button give us all your

52:54

fucking money So you can't pay your mortgage and

52:57

there's so many people who I cannot handle

52:59

that and it's so easy Yeah, and

53:01

garbage time is when you throw your

53:03

money in the fucking garbage throw it

53:05

still yeah You can still waste your

53:07

family's money on whether or not they

53:09

will fucking get this third and six

53:12

That's why like no stop. It's it's

53:14

gotten out of control. We're like yeah

53:17

We're going to hear we're gonna see something. It's

53:19

coming in the next three to five We're

53:21

gonna see so many stories about how much

53:23

of this has fucking destroyed family. It's insane

53:25

It's and like I said, I don't care.

53:27

It's only what it's a voice your business

53:29

I don't care come to me exactly. I

53:31

don't want to I don't want to see

53:33

a single go fund me about how yeah

53:35

I should ruined your life go for garbage

53:37

time turned out to be really be his

53:39

own garbage type I'm

53:41

say your 401k away through garbage

53:43

time. Yeah, I Feel

53:46

like if I'm not looking to get find a place

53:48

to gamble or join the army There's really no

53:50

reason for me to watch a fucking NFL game

53:52

because that's really all they want me to do

53:54

It's really fascinating not interested in me how this

53:56

is how we've gone from

53:58

Pete Rose can't be in because of

54:01

gambling yeah and now they make all this

54:03

except as if these players are

54:05

a hundred percent involved in this they're absolutely

54:07

gambling on this they just can't get they

54:09

can't gamble on they're not gonna gamble on

54:11

sports because their contracts are so big they've

54:15

got to have a fucking burner email that they

54:17

got it linked to them there's no way have

54:19

their friends these guys aren't doing yeah right there

54:21

you go that's their friends place but certainly being

54:23

hard at the beginning of time now it's just

54:25

easier to do absolutely you know you

54:27

back in the day they go to the bar and

54:29

their one friend would he place the bets more that

54:31

way the guy wouldn't be that's how they used to

54:33

do it I mean it was gotta be it's they've

54:36

got to be a part of this so that it's

54:38

just too accessible to act like none of these guys

54:40

are involved in it yeah it's

54:42

it's fucking accessible yeah so

54:45

Michael this year by the way his rookie year

54:47

broke his wrist in October all right actually in

54:49

85 he ends up breaking his

54:52

wrist but he still plays hurt

54:54

anyway so wow that's that's not

54:56

bad the NFC Championship game though

54:59

he had a hard time in the with everybody

55:01

did they lost 23 nothing but he couldn't cover

55:03

Freddie Solomon who did very well and

55:06

buddy Ryan criticized him for playing

55:08

poorly and he

55:11

said he plays bad on the West Coast for

55:13

some reason he said

55:15

that that happens to Richardson before I don't know what it

55:17

is he said that he quote didn't play

55:19

worth a damn and called him a

55:21

strictly an East Coast player bad

55:24

in that time zone or I don't know

55:26

if he hangs out with his friends beforehand

55:29

maybe I don't know what the fucking deal

55:31

is but his nickname also okay buddy Ryan

55:33

the defensive coordinator kind of a famous guy

55:35

if you're not familiar with buddy Ryan he's

55:37

famous for being one of the most gruff

55:40

he's a great defensive coordinator but a real

55:42

lunatic like there's a footage of him punching

55:44

another coach on the sidelines his own coach

55:46

attacking him they're on the same team he

55:49

hired him pricing so he's a

55:51

crazy guy he gave everybody nicknames all

55:53

the time and he called Richardson LA

55:55

is everybody thought he's from

55:57

Los Angeles that makes sense LA Mike He

56:00

said, no, that's not what I meant it for. LA

56:03

means lazy ass. Lazy

56:05

ass Mike. He's

56:08

lazy ass Mike. Not LA

56:10

Mike, not Los Angeles Mike.

56:13

We're guys from Los Angeles, but

56:15

I'm going to destroy that for them. Lazy

56:18

ass Mike. Hey, lazy ass

56:20

Mike. That's a great nickname though. That's

56:23

hilarious that Mike probably didn't even know that for

56:25

a week. Oh, he's out for a week, right?

56:27

No, he told him, you're a lazy ass. LA

56:29

Mike over here, and that was it. Buddy

56:32

Ryan would tell you, right? Anything. Wow. He's

56:35

trying to break your ass down, Buddy Ryan. Yeah,

56:37

he does that. Everybody

56:39

says, one of Al Harris' teammates said,

56:41

quote, Mike was very easy going and

56:43

laid back. I think sometimes that was

56:45

being read as lazy because

56:48

he's just not that Rah Rah guy. Just

56:50

a Tom guy. Yeah. A lot

56:52

of guys too, and this happens to a lot of

56:54

athletes, is if you're an

56:56

amazing athlete and you look fluid and

56:58

smooth, people don't think you're going at

57:00

100%. They don't realize they're trying. Yeah.

57:03

Because you're not herky jerky, but

57:06

you're actually just ... They always just say that

57:08

about Joe DiMaggio. They said it looked

57:10

like he was just kind

57:12

of jogging after balls, but

57:15

he was flying. He was just very graceful. You

57:18

didn't realize he was going as fast, and people would say that

57:20

he was lazy. If he missed the ball, he'd be like, oh

57:22

Christ, if he ran harder, he could have got there. Meanwhile, he

57:24

was flying. He was just graceful. I

57:26

think that you get doomed a lot of

57:29

times on that if you're too good of

57:31

an athlete almost. Anyway,

57:33

84, he has two interceptions,

57:36

so good year there. 85 though. All

57:39

right, here we go. The 85 Bears are 15 and 1. Wow,

57:42

wasn't that good? That good. The

57:45

only loss being that Monday night against Dan

57:47

Marino and the Dolphins. Holy shit. Only team

57:49

to beat him, and Dan Marino was torching

57:52

records everywhere. That's

57:54

a big perspective. What week did they do that? Because they

57:56

popped in fucking 14. It was late. Yeah.

58:00

team also celebrated it when they

58:02

beat them. Wow. They

58:04

beat their undefeated season because no one else would

58:06

have fucking beat them. It wasn't happening. They were,

58:08

wait till you hear these playoff numbers. And this

58:10

was, if you didn't, if you were young and

58:12

don't know, this team was fucking

58:15

dominant. This is the

58:17

Super Bowl shuffle. They made

58:19

a goddamn song and posters and

58:21

the fridge was on every commercial.

58:24

And this made it okay for

58:26

their quarterback to have that stupid haircut, a

58:28

bandana and those dumb ass glasses. He

58:31

was so famous though. He

58:33

was on every commercial, Jim McMahon too. I mean,

58:36

this was Walter Payton was on all

58:38

these commercials. This was by far the

58:40

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shit. They are 15 and 1, stomped the

1:00:46

shit out of everybody through the season. They

1:00:49

won against the Giants in the divisional game, 21-0.

1:00:52

Jesus, blame them. Shut them out. They won

1:00:54

against the Rams in the championship game and

1:00:57

beat them 24-0. They

1:00:59

shut out both of their ... both

1:01:02

weeks to get to the Super Bowl. Both of them. Not

1:01:05

fucking around. Then they go play New

1:01:07

England and absolutely shit hammer them. They

1:01:10

gave the ball to the fridge and let him get

1:01:12

a touchdown. They were fucking around by the end of it.

1:01:14

There's a lot of garbage time. There was a lot

1:01:16

of garbage time. You could have lost everything

1:01:19

you've ever worked for in the garbage time of

1:01:21

this game. What was that score of that

1:01:23

Super Bowl? They

1:01:25

made it sound like James. You

1:01:28

know what I mean? Because I didn't watch it. I was too young

1:01:30

of a boy. I was four years old for Christ's sake. I've

1:01:33

seen the highlights of it and everything, but they

1:01:35

make it look like and sound like they

1:01:38

gave it to fridge because it was 34-33

1:01:40

and they needed to get that touchdown. They

1:01:43

thought it was fun. You know what I mean?

1:01:45

Ridiculous. Walter Payton was bitter

1:01:48

until his dying day because

1:01:50

they gave it to ... Payton

1:01:52

played for the Bears since the mid-70s

1:01:55

when they were terrible. He

1:01:57

was the only thing they had for years. He ran

1:01:59

more than anybody else. He never missed a game

1:02:01

Walter Payton. Wow he played for like 14

1:02:04

years without missing a fucking game He's a fucking

1:02:06

Iron Man and they give it to him and

1:02:09

he's like I don't get a touchdown in

1:02:11

the Super Bowl Really and he was bitter

1:02:13

about it till his dying fucking day that

1:02:15

they gave the rookie Who doesn't even play

1:02:17

offense the touchdown rather than offense? He doesn't

1:02:20

forget this position. He's not even on the

1:02:22

field when all of us are yeah rather

1:02:24

than in my opinion One of the top

1:02:26

three greatest football players who ever played the

1:02:29

game To me he's these

1:02:31

top three, you know, you can throw I got

1:02:33

a top five that you can kind of mix and match

1:02:35

them However, you're all running backs No,

1:02:38

there's Jim Brown. Yeah, I think

1:02:40

Jim Brown I think I think

1:02:42

Walter Payton No running

1:02:44

back. Yes, but not player because why

1:02:46

Walter Payton did everything. He was a

1:02:49

great blocker. He was incredible He's a

1:02:51

receiver. He's a great football player. Jim

1:02:53

Brown just changed everything I think Dion

1:02:55

and Lawrence Taylor are in there and

1:02:57

I think you can mix them around

1:02:59

however you want Yeah, and

1:03:01

I think that's that's my opinion. Anyway

1:03:08

The on shut down the yeah, he'd say

1:03:10

who's the best receiver and then you throw

1:03:12

twice in the whole he would just take

1:03:14

him out Of the game. You'd never even

1:03:16

throw to him. Yeah, Jerry Rice out of

1:03:18

the game completely Very few times has a

1:03:20

DB made over that much fucking noise No

1:03:23

in you know, I mean for a long time lately

1:03:25

was Daryl Reavis and the next one No,

1:03:27

nobody knew nobody knew any any DB

1:03:29

names. No, it was just a casual

1:03:31

fan of the NFL But everybody knew

1:03:33

the on saying well, also every was

1:03:36

a great punt returner and a great pick

1:03:38

returners Well, that's a great one like

1:03:40

an all-timer and if he intercepted you

1:03:42

better fucking get him now Oh

1:03:44

here because if he's if he gets any steam

1:03:46

it's over he's running it back I mean, I

1:03:48

don't know if I put him up there But

1:03:51

he's in my top 10 of players just because

1:03:53

there's no you couldn't have been any better at

1:03:55

what he did Yeah, bringing words in the out

1:03:57

and in English language together not these probably That's

1:04:00

a different kind of a fact. Dumbest

1:04:05

shit, but boy, on the football field, he's

1:04:07

incredible. So 4610 with that

1:04:09

ass whooping there. Here's a

1:04:11

great story. Okay. A

1:04:14

young actress, not like

1:04:16

a child, an adult-aged young woman

1:04:18

actress. In 2022. Yeah.

1:04:21

I came to visit him in Chicago for

1:04:24

a weekend during the 85 season,

1:04:26

the girl he was talking to and his

1:04:28

teammates were like, yo, that girl is fucking

1:04:30

fine as shit. That girl is hot. God

1:04:32

damn, where'd you get her? He

1:04:36

rather than hang out with her, decided

1:04:38

it'd be more fun to go hang out with

1:04:40

his friends and go out drinking and ditch her.

1:04:43

What? So he ditched

1:04:45

her and the girl was real pissed off and

1:04:47

never wanted to talk to him again and told him to go

1:04:50

fuck himself. And do you know who that was? Brooke

1:04:52

Shields. Halle Berry. You fucking idiot.

1:04:54

What a moron. What

1:04:58

a fucking idiot. Halle Berry.

1:05:00

Let me go out with the guy. This is

1:05:02

the level of dumb we're working with here. I'd

1:05:05

rather go do Coke than maybe

1:05:08

sleep with and Mary perhaps maybe

1:05:10

have a relationship with the top

1:05:12

five hottest woman on the planet.

1:05:14

At 85, Halle Berry. Oh, forget

1:05:16

it. Oh my God. Imagine you're

1:05:18

a young man, you're 23 years old and 85

1:05:20

Halle Berry walks up to you and they say you

1:05:22

can either have sex with her or hang out with your

1:05:24

friends. You can hang out with any time.

1:05:26

What would you rather do? Stay around guys. No, no, no.

1:05:29

You can either have sex with her or a good run. I'm just going to

1:05:31

say that. We've done this enough. If

1:05:34

Pop Pop saw her, he would know that this is the

1:05:36

right decision. He would tell me, you know what? I had

1:05:39

a good run. I want you to have what I never

1:05:41

had. She must

1:05:43

have been 19 then, right? Yeah, she was young.

1:05:45

She was so young. Yeah, young on the rise

1:05:47

and wow, he's a fucking idiot. And he

1:05:49

said his friends, as she got famous

1:05:51

too, they all would make fun of him more and

1:05:53

more and more. That's your girl, you dumb shit. Yeah.

1:05:56

That chick Billy Bob Thornton banged in monster. Damn,

1:06:00

she's at. So he was, um, Buddy

1:06:02

Ryan liked to blitz a lot and

1:06:05

they would blitz him. The cornerback blitz was one

1:06:07

of Buddy Ryan's famous things, but he didn't really

1:06:09

like doing. He's a coverage guy, so he wasn't

1:06:11

real into that. So he ends up

1:06:13

being demoted to second string

1:06:16

during the beginning of 1985, but

1:06:19

then he won his job back in training camp. Buddy

1:06:21

Ryan just wanted to fuck with him. Yeah, he didn't,

1:06:23

he wasn't going to demote him. He was just trying

1:06:25

to motivate him. He was trying to put a fire

1:06:27

under him and he said, Buddy Ryan later said he's

1:06:29

really matured and got his priorities straight. He realized he's

1:06:31

going to lose his fucking job if he didn't. So

1:06:34

yeah, that's not bad. Um, then

1:06:36

here, he was on the,

1:06:39

uh, he's in the, uh, Superbowl

1:06:41

shuffle video, which not the entire

1:06:43

team is there. He's got his

1:06:45

white wristbands on and

1:06:47

he's one of nine with shuffles or with,

1:06:50

uh, with solos in the shuffle. Nine

1:06:52

guys, that's Jim McMahon, Walter Pate and all

1:06:55

the real famous guys. He's in the mix.

1:06:57

My co-rese then gets a shake. Yeah. Here

1:06:59

we go. Quote. This

1:07:03

is his words from his song. This is his rap. Here

1:07:05

it is. Oh, oh God. I'm

1:07:07

LA Mike and I play it cool.

1:07:10

They don't sneak by me because I'm

1:07:12

no fool. I fly

1:07:14

on the field and get on down.

1:07:16

Everybody knows I don't mess around. Yeah.

1:07:21

I can break down and around. Down

1:07:23

and around. I can break them, shake

1:07:25

them any time a day. I like

1:07:28

to steal it and make them pay.

1:07:31

So please don't, please,

1:07:33

you're going to use it in a rap. How often

1:07:35

is the word please used in a rap? You impose

1:07:37

your will. You tell them what to do.

1:07:40

Football and rap or neither of those are

1:07:42

please activities. So

1:07:45

please don't try to beat my hustle

1:07:47

because I'm just here to watch Jimmy.

1:07:49

Ah, do that Superbowl

1:07:51

shuffle. Superbowl shuffle, bitches. That's right.

1:07:54

He rhymes shuffle and hustle. He

1:07:56

didn't rhyme shit. They didn't write

1:07:58

this someone else. But he has to say

1:08:00

that? Yeah.

1:08:03

There was a marketing company that put this together

1:08:05

and they picked the guys and they did all

1:08:07

this. They gave them the words and said, all

1:08:09

of this rocks. Say this. Okay. And

1:08:13

they went, okay. And they said it. And

1:08:15

then this is the same marketing company who, by the

1:08:17

way, did the Wrestle Rock Rumble as well. That's

1:08:20

why they sound exactly the same. I'm

1:08:23

just here to do the Wrestle Rock Rumble. Remember

1:08:25

that? It's the same thing. I'm just here to

1:08:27

do the Super Bowl Shuffle. Same

1:08:29

shit. The

1:08:31

wrestlers sell it better still. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:08:33

Well they're used to doing promos. Football players, they

1:08:35

don't go, I don't know, get your promo better.

1:08:37

You just go out and play. They don't care

1:08:39

if you can talk or not. Wrestling, you gotta

1:08:41

sell it. I'm Greg Ganyan. I'm

1:08:43

in a rage. You gotta really... Remember that one?

1:08:46

That was the best part. I'm

1:08:49

not Brody and I'm out of the cage. Yeah. It's

1:08:52

a look on his face, too. He's like all red. I'm

1:08:54

in a rage. Oh man. Oh

1:08:58

man. Then he asked to say, how do

1:09:00

you say those two rhymes together and then

1:09:02

say, just gotta do the Wrestle Rock Rumble?

1:09:04

Gotta do the Wrestle Rock Rumble. Unbelievable. Oh,

1:09:10

I love it so much.

1:09:14

So Richard Dent said in his favorite

1:09:16

photograph, one of his favorites of all

1:09:18

his playing days is a picture of

1:09:20

him and Michael Richardson hugging each other

1:09:22

after the Bears beat the Cowboys in

1:09:24

85-44 to nothing. Wow.

1:09:27

The shit stomping. They were celebrating... It's

1:09:30

a beating right there. They had two shutouts

1:09:32

in the playoffs, right? And

1:09:36

they had a garbage time regular season pummeling

1:09:38

the Cowboys. That's how that defense was. They

1:09:41

would just tighten that vice around you and

1:09:43

just beat the shit out of you the

1:09:45

entire time. By the fourth quarter,

1:09:47

you had nothing left to give in garbage time. You've been beaten. Is

1:09:50

that Landry coached? The Cowboys,

1:09:52

yeah. That's Landry. Absolutely.

1:09:55

This is the downturn when they started him

1:09:58

getting fired and everything. But Dent said

1:10:00

he'd just scored his first NFL touchdown on

1:10:03

a one-yard interception return and Richardson

1:10:05

had scored his first touchdown on a 36-yard

1:10:07

interception return on the same day. Both got

1:10:09

one the same day. And Dent showed the

1:10:11

picture and said, me and my best buddy,

1:10:13

we had a lot of fun together. Oh,

1:10:15

Rich. So Rich, yes. That

1:10:17

year, like I said, they win the Super Bowl,

1:10:19

so Mike's got a ring on his finger here.

1:10:21

Uh-huh. Doing very well. 86 Bears

1:10:24

go 14 and 2. That's the thing, they

1:10:26

didn't go in the shitter. Shouldn't stop, yeah. No, but

1:10:28

they lost in the first round of the playoffs to

1:10:30

the Redskins. Second round, though,

1:10:32

because they had a bye, right? They had... That's the

1:10:34

divisional round, yeah. So that's the divisional round. And the

1:10:37

Redskins ended up winning anyway that year, so there's no

1:10:39

shame in that. They didn't. They lost to the Giants

1:10:41

in the playoffs. Oh, really? The Giants beat Denver. Yeah,

1:10:44

Redskins beat Denver the next year. In

1:10:46

87. 87 season, yeah. So,

1:10:48

yeah, that's how that one went. And the Bears,

1:10:50

this year too, they got Neil Anderson, their new

1:10:52

running back there to try to, you

1:10:55

know, replace Walter Payton. He was

1:10:57

good, but he's not Walter fucking Payton. So, Richardson

1:11:00

was benched again in training camp in

1:11:02

86 for showing up two days late

1:11:04

to camp. Really? Not two

1:11:07

hours late, two days late, which is more.

1:11:09

That's super late. That's very late.

1:11:12

It's really late. That's incredibly

1:11:15

late. That is super late. If you're waiting for...

1:11:17

You ever showed up for anything two days late?

1:11:19

Imagine ordering a pizza and it showed up two

1:11:21

days from now. You'd be pissed, wouldn't you? I

1:11:24

think you're not. I might be pretty mad, yeah. You're

1:11:26

not paying a pizza half a million dollars a year, either.

1:11:29

So, you'd be really mad. That's a great

1:11:31

point. You know, for that late, like, I've

1:11:33

been two days late because of an airline.

1:11:37

If I were two days late to my flight, they'd

1:11:39

be like, I don't know what to tell you, man.

1:11:41

Yeah, that shit is long gone. Those people, they're living

1:11:43

their lives right now, the people are on their floor. All

1:11:47

over the place now. Yeah, they're scared.

1:11:49

They're like kicking an anthill. They are

1:11:51

everywhere. He

1:11:53

said he was confused by the date he was

1:11:55

supposed to report. There's

1:11:57

a... By two days? A football team. invites

1:12:00

like a hundred people to camp. Plus

1:12:03

all the coaches. There's like a hundred and fifty

1:12:05

people that knew the date and made it there

1:12:07

just fine, but he was confused. So that's not

1:12:09

good. Two days worth of confusion. That's

1:12:11

not great, but he ended up obviously getting a

1:12:13

starting job back. Again, Buddy Ryan knows you have

1:12:16

to demote him to light a fire under his

1:12:18

ass to make him try

1:12:20

hard, or else he won't. That's how it

1:12:22

works. 86 season, he starts all 16 games,

1:12:24

seven interceptions this year. The

1:12:27

NFL, he's had five, two, four, and

1:12:29

seven for interceptions. Not bad. So I

1:12:31

mean that is doing great. Really,

1:12:33

really good. Yeah, the Bears though,

1:12:35

like I said, losing the playoffs

1:12:38

early. 87 Bears go

1:12:40

11 and four. That was the strike shortened

1:12:43

season, that one remember. 87 season

1:12:46

was the one where Shug Knight played

1:12:48

for fucking Rams. So not a lot

1:12:50

of beginning of the season was a

1:12:53

mess. This year they lose

1:12:55

again to the Redskins in the playoffs. That's

1:12:57

their time. Who go on to trounce Denver, yeah,

1:13:00

with Doug Williams and Timmy Smith having that crazy

1:13:02

game and all that shit. So yeah,

1:13:04

this year though, I mean he's

1:13:06

doing fine. It's not his goddamn fault, it's the

1:13:08

way he's looking at it. But

1:13:11

in 87 in that season he was again missed

1:13:14

the beginning of training camp. This

1:13:17

time though he's holding out. He's

1:13:19

doing it on purpose because he's not the highest

1:13:21

paid defensive back on the team and he feels

1:13:24

he should be. Really? Yeah, so

1:13:26

he's holding out. Which he's got seven interceptions

1:13:28

and he's, that's a lot. Should be the

1:13:30

highest? Yeah, I think, I mean eight to

1:13:32

twelve is like unbelievable. Yeah, that's luck though.

1:13:35

Yeah, if you watch the film and you

1:13:37

know that he's breaking passes up, you know,

1:13:39

just because he didn't have a couple extra

1:13:41

balls tipped to him is not really, you

1:13:43

know, that big of a deal. So

1:13:46

he doesn't report to the training camp

1:13:48

till shortly before the season begins, like

1:13:50

last week of the training camp, yeah.

1:13:52

And he's not a starter by then.

1:13:56

So they've given someone else's job. Not only is

1:13:58

he not the highest paid, he's a... even a

1:14:00

starter now. That was a

1:14:02

mistake. Later in the

1:14:04

season he gets a starting job back but then he gets

1:14:06

demoted again. So he only starts

1:14:08

six games this season. What

1:14:11

the fuck? All because he held out. He's

1:14:13

fucking himself. He had no interceptions. Yeah. Nothing.

1:14:15

So now he's not worth paying highest. That's

1:14:17

what I mean. They've made him, they go,

1:14:19

oh you think you're worth something? We'll make

1:14:22

you not worth anything. Which is, you know,

1:14:24

that sucks. So 1988 Bears go 12 and

1:14:27

four again. They were really a force in these

1:14:29

80s but then they would get knocked out of

1:14:32

the playoffs. They beat the Eagles in the divisional

1:14:34

round and then got trounced by the 49ers, 28

1:14:36

to 3, who went on to

1:14:38

beat the hell out of

1:14:40

Denver. No. No. No.

1:14:43

No, no, no. That was a

1:14:45

close game against Cincinnati. Sorry. That

1:14:48

was the drive down the field

1:14:50

with Montana. Yeah. Not the

1:14:52

catch. That was 81. Oh. That

1:14:54

long ago? Yeah. That was Clark in the back of

1:14:56

the end zone. This is the march

1:14:59

down the field. Yeah. March down the

1:15:01

field. I think John Taylor got the

1:15:03

last touchdown. That's the catch, isn't it?

1:15:05

No. No. That's Dwight Clark is

1:15:07

the catch. In 81 against the Cowboys in

1:15:09

the end of the championship. Taylor's the

1:15:12

tight end that streaked across the back of the end zone?

1:15:14

Taylor's a wide receiver. He

1:15:16

was a rookie in like 87, 86. He

1:15:18

was the other guy. Was it the tight

1:15:21

end across the back? In 81 or then? That's 81.

1:15:23

81 was Clark. Dwight Clark. That's right.

1:15:25

You're right. It's Clark. I see the name on

1:15:27

it right now in my head. Yep. And the

1:15:29

footage too is older. It's that 81. Yeah. You're

1:15:31

right. Yeah. The 80s. Yeah. The

1:15:33

gold looks much more dim. Yeah. The

1:15:37

88 Super Bowl was the one where Tim Crumbrise

1:15:39

snapped his leg in half and they kept showing

1:15:41

it wiggle back and forth. The nose tackle for

1:15:43

the Bengals. Oh my God. And they kept showing

1:15:45

it because it went like

1:15:49

a fish. It flopped back and forth. Is

1:15:51

that the one that Stan was supposed to

1:15:53

play in? I don't know.

1:15:55

Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. That is the one. In

1:15:57

the mud. Yep. That absolutely is the one. because

1:16:00

of him. That didn't help at all. So

1:16:03

yeah, the Bears, you know, they're going to the

1:16:05

playoffs, but they're not the same as they used

1:16:07

to be here. In 88

1:16:09

this year coming up, he

1:16:12

gets his job back, but then

1:16:14

he's only benched for one game because he

1:16:16

failed to show up for a morning meeting

1:16:18

the day before the game in Los Angeles.

1:16:20

Why does he keep doing this? You can't just

1:16:22

not show up. He said, misunderstanding. Okay.

1:16:25

The meetings are the same fucking time every

1:16:27

week the day before a game. They never,

1:16:29

it never changes. But it was in, it

1:16:31

was in his hometown? It was in Los

1:16:33

Angeles. Yeah. See? No wonder what happened. Yeah.

1:16:35

Yeah. The head coach said, I

1:16:38

don't believe you. Yeah. You're

1:16:40

out partying with your friends, stupid. I know you.

1:16:43

Then they lost in the

1:16:46

88 championship game, the NFC championship game to

1:16:48

the 49ers. Richardson got burned on a 61

1:16:50

yard touchdown. Passed

1:16:52

to Jerry Rice though. Jerry

1:16:55

Rice. Show me

1:16:57

defensive back who never got burned by Jerry

1:16:59

Rice. But you don't want that right then.

1:17:01

No, they lost 28-3 though. You're blaming him.

1:17:03

It wasn't even close. The offense, he didn't

1:17:06

score three points, but they expect to shut

1:17:08

the Niners out and win three nothing. If

1:17:10

not, don't blame him. If

1:17:12

you lost seven to three, blame him. You lost

1:17:14

28-3. Shut the fuck up. So

1:17:17

yeah, he was very mad at him for that and

1:17:19

they kind of talk shit about him for that. That's

1:17:21

crazy. You didn't even, your whole team didn't even put

1:17:23

seven on the board the whole game.

1:17:25

Ridiculous. Yeah, I think that's a

1:17:27

pissed off coach that's just looking

1:17:29

to punch somebody. So he, coming

1:17:31

up here in the 88 season,

1:17:34

this will be his last season with

1:17:36

the Bears, 88. Richardson. Mike

1:17:40

Dick tells the press that he thought Richardson

1:17:42

should have his vision checked because he wore

1:17:44

glasses off the field. So

1:17:47

he should make sure his

1:17:49

vision's good because he's getting burned. When

1:17:51

asked about the glasses, Richardson said

1:17:53

the lenses were not prescription and he wore them

1:17:55

because he liked the way they looked. Hey

1:18:00

coach, there's not even any lenses in there.

1:18:02

Yeah, there's just glass. So

1:18:05

that's really weird. And his friend said,

1:18:07

quote, he was just into being

1:18:10

just right, making sure his hair was right

1:18:13

and his clothes. He was a pretty boy

1:18:15

in some ways like that. Uh-oh. So, yeah,

1:18:17

that's his... A lot of cornerbacks are like

1:18:19

that though. They like to look pretty and

1:18:21

be put together and there's a certain style

1:18:24

to a cornerback, you

1:18:26

know what I mean? It's much like a wide receiver. There's a

1:18:28

certain... It's gotta be fucking great

1:18:30

on the field if you wanna pull on

1:18:32

that shit. The cornerbacks are your fighter pilots

1:18:35

of the... Yeah. You know

1:18:37

what I mean? They're on the edge. They're

1:18:39

all out there all alone with the... It's

1:18:41

a different... They're in dog fights.

1:18:44

They're risking their job every fucking party.

1:18:46

Yeah, and embarrassing. Like, they're big guys,

1:18:48

right? Risking embarrassment big time. Absolutely. Because

1:18:51

if somebody burns you, it is like, oh,

1:18:53

ha ha, that guy got burned and it's

1:18:55

a whole thing. It must be great to

1:18:57

have played back then because today, holy fuck,

1:18:59

man, the reels on YouTube

1:19:03

of a... You can type in any

1:19:05

defensive back burned and they've got a

1:19:07

fucking... A super

1:19:09

cut of every play he's ever

1:19:11

had of him getting fucking just

1:19:14

torched. Absolutely. It happens. Back then

1:19:16

it would just stand out. So the

1:19:18

Bears leave him unprotected in plan B

1:19:20

free agency. So they don't even... Plan

1:19:23

B, they want to abort him. They just don't even

1:19:25

want him around. He's getting plan B'd. He

1:19:29

got plan B'd. That

1:19:31

sounds rough for a player. Fucking all the pharmacy.

1:19:33

He's getting shit out. Yeah. I mean,

1:19:35

it's fine if you're doing whatever you got to do,

1:19:38

but for a player who's already... He's

1:19:40

already 26 years old. We're going to plan

1:19:42

B and that seems a bit harsh, right? That

1:19:44

is tough. A little old for that. So

1:19:47

he signs with the Raiders. Really?

1:19:50

He signs with the Raiders. They love a hard-hitting

1:19:52

defensive guy and he's on that Bears defense. It

1:19:54

seems like Sunwell Davis would want. Well

1:19:56

here is this. This is 89 season. Mike

1:19:59

Shanahan. Oh wow, really? At

1:20:02

that point, yep. And he makes Richardson

1:20:04

a starter in training camp, but then

1:20:06

in a pre-season game, he gave up

1:20:09

three touchdowns. Three season? Oh,

1:20:11

fuck. And the Raiders cut him.

1:20:14

Wow. They fucking cut his ass. So

1:20:17

later on in the year, he's going to be

1:20:19

picked up by San Francisco for the end of

1:20:23

their run, which was good for

1:20:25

them because this is the year they beat the

1:20:27

Broncos in the Super Bowl, I believe. They have

1:20:29

the 88, yeah. They have the 89 season. So

1:20:32

January of 89, though, he

1:20:35

appears in Playgirl magazine

1:20:39

with Richard Dent and Dennis

1:20:41

Gentry, the another Bears player,

1:20:43

no wearing Speedos. Okay, that's

1:20:45

not funny. Like standing next to each other in

1:20:47

Speedos here, so. How crazy is that, that if

1:20:49

we'd never heard of Richard Dent today, you and

1:20:51

I would be giggling about his name being Dick

1:20:53

Dent. Yeah, Dick Dent, we would. But

1:20:56

because I know him as Richard Dent as

1:20:58

an amazing football player, I didn't even correlate

1:21:00

until right now. He's such

1:21:02

a badass. He's earned Richard. You know

1:21:04

what I mean? He's just earned it.

1:21:06

He's so good. That's not Dick. That's

1:21:08

Richard. That guy is Richard, man. I know

1:21:11

what you're talking about. Old Dick Dent. Old Dickie

1:21:13

Dent. So the 89 49ers are 14 and 2.

1:21:17

They're a juggernaut. They're awesome. They beat the

1:21:19

shit out of the Vikings in the playoffs.

1:21:24

They beat the Rams 30 to 3 for

1:21:26

the championship game. And then they, that was

1:21:28

a horror. I hated watching that. I loved

1:21:30

Denver. And they crushed them 55 to 10 that year.

1:21:34

And it could have been more. It looked like they were

1:21:36

like, all right, you know, we'll take it easy now. It

1:21:39

could have been more. They chose not

1:21:41

to pour it on in garbage

1:21:43

time. I feel like they were just being

1:21:45

nice after a while. It felt like there

1:21:47

wasn't any gambling on games or something. Strange,

1:21:49

right? Not mainstream at least. Yeah.

1:21:53

So this is the, I mean, Joe Montana's

1:21:55

your starting quarterback and Steve Young's your backup

1:21:57

quarterback. Jesus Christ. Hall of

1:21:59

Famer's. All over the place just

1:22:02

looking at this at this roster You

1:22:04

got like Matt Millan Tim McKay or

1:22:06

Guy McIntyre Ronnie lot These are like

1:22:08

legendary names Hall of Famers Charles Haley

1:22:11

fucking Pierce Holt It was a great

1:22:13

play Brett Jones the tight end so

1:22:15

many good fucking players on this team

1:22:17

Who's that running back Roger Craig Roger

1:22:19

Craig? Yeah Roger Craig and yeah, they

1:22:22

were great Tom Rathman its fullback Remember

1:22:24

him he used I were great

1:22:26

man. What a good team I I hated them

1:22:28

Bill Romanowski on this team. Yeah rice Jesus

1:22:31

Christ. Yeah, we know all about him everybody

1:22:33

that whole team is just it's it's just

1:22:35

Hall of Famer after hall of fame Yeah,

1:22:38

it's crushing. So this year

1:22:40

that he only plays in three games

1:22:43

with San Francisco Yeah, and

1:22:45

doesn't really get the ring anything here

1:22:48

He it's weird that he

1:22:51

you know after this nobody wants him really

1:22:53

he's done. This is his NFL career. It's

1:22:56

over He gets to pummel the

1:22:58

Broncos get a Super Bowl ring and walk

1:23:00

away and get nothing else ever again He

1:23:03

yeah, I don't know. I don't think he even got

1:23:05

a ring though I don't think he was on the

1:23:07

team through the playoffs. I think he only played three

1:23:09

early on I think he played three early. Yeah, so

1:23:13

It's pretty sad he went from being I should

1:23:16

be the highest paid defensive back. This is bullshit

1:23:19

two years later He's out of the league

1:23:21

completely done Yeah, and you know a lot

1:23:23

of wide receivers have pulled that shit and

1:23:26

become the highest paid one. See where he

1:23:28

became the least attractive player in the NFL

1:23:31

It's goddamn incredible. So yeah, he

1:23:33

was only 28. He's done what

1:23:35

the fuck. Yeah Dan

1:23:37

Hampton the lineman said that he was very good. He

1:23:40

called he said quote he was more than competent Which

1:23:43

is a compliment from him? Yeah They

1:23:45

said that he had certain skills That

1:23:48

a lot of people thought were amazing

1:23:50

so Mike was getting more safety help

1:23:52

Okay, but we didn't worry about him.

1:23:54

He would pop people be an enforcer.

1:23:57

He wasn't driven driven to be exceptional

1:23:59

like Mike Singleton was, damn good

1:24:01

player though. He would get safety help so

1:24:03

he would only play between Hashmark and sideline.

1:24:05

Well no it's just... Or at least chase

1:24:07

him that way and if the and the

1:24:09

safety drags down. The

1:24:12

way they played it there though it was

1:24:14

the upfront they were so

1:24:16

fucking such a swarming

1:24:18

aggressive upfront that it made everything different.

1:24:21

Everything was different. That 46 defense was

1:24:23

not a defense that anybody else was

1:24:25

playing. But if they're saying he got safety help

1:24:27

and all he had to play was Hashmark to

1:24:29

sideline that'll make you look great if

1:24:31

that's all you're covering. You know what I mean? If

1:24:34

you're playing like a zone. Yeah

1:24:37

that will make you look good but at the same

1:24:40

time you know if that's your scheme though that's your

1:24:42

scheme. You can't help it. That's what Buddy Ryan wants

1:24:44

to do. So

1:24:47

Richardson was reserved. They said he wasn't at

1:24:49

a place though in the locker room. One

1:24:52

of the defensive linemen, Tyrone Keys said he

1:24:54

never found himself in trouble. Good guy. Kind

1:24:56

of to himself a lot at times. Perfect

1:24:59

teammate. That's all I can say about him.

1:25:02

By the way he would love around

1:25:04

training camp to dick around. He loved

1:25:06

to ride a unicycle around training camp.

1:25:09

Richardson? Richardson. That was his thing. Imagine

1:25:13

him riding a unicycle holding a bowl

1:25:15

of homemade banana pudding. Like look what

1:25:17

I made for you guys. What kind

1:25:19

of weirdo are you? That is a

1:25:21

wild person. Yeah. Very very fucking strange.

1:25:24

They said but that was who he was. He was

1:25:27

kind of a fun-loving guy. One

1:25:29

of his teammates said he was very likable. If you

1:25:31

didn't like him you had a problem. I don't ever

1:25:33

remember seeing him get angry. So

1:25:35

yeah they said he

1:25:38

made all of us laugh. He said it was

1:25:40

a goofy laugh. They said you know his teammates

1:25:42

often imitated his laugh because it was like a

1:25:44

goofy laugh. His

1:25:47

parents came to almost all of his games by the way

1:25:49

which is nice. Yeah not too

1:25:51

fucking bad. He bought

1:25:54

his parents a new van. This

1:25:57

will replace your camper when you're monitoring

1:25:59

the neighborhood. Take this. It's

1:26:01

a white windowless, sorry about it. Sorry about

1:26:03

that. You're going to look like a perv,

1:26:05

but... Here, Dad, here's a step down in

1:26:08

creepy, a white windowless van. Yeah. How

1:26:11

about that? Good. Here you

1:26:13

go. Shortly after his career was over, both his

1:26:15

parents passed away. Oh, no.

1:26:17

Yeah. One of his friends said,

1:26:20

I thought that was devastating for him. After his

1:26:22

dad died, not knowing which way to turn, Mike

1:26:24

spiraled and lost his way in the game of

1:26:26

life. Oh, boy. Remember

1:26:28

his quote? That's a bonus.

1:26:31

Yeah. Yeah. His sister, Mary,

1:26:34

said that her brother took a downward

1:26:36

turn after their parents died, in

1:26:38

part because he was remorseful that he wasn't there

1:26:40

to show his support during their final days. He

1:26:43

wasn't around, so it gave him a depression. Oh,

1:26:45

yeah. He didn't regret, yeah. So,

1:26:47

he goes back to Southern California, of course.

1:26:49

Never go home. He's going home.

1:26:52

And it was hard. He's

1:26:54

only 28, so he feels like... Yeah,

1:26:56

he's 28. He didn't make a shitload of money in the

1:26:58

NFL. No. And he's going

1:27:00

back to LA, the second most at the

1:27:03

time, probably, expensive city in America. That's

1:27:05

the thing. And he's, at

1:27:07

the same time, too, he's watching

1:27:09

all the people who were drafted with him.

1:27:12

They're all still playing every weekend. Right.

1:27:14

And then he's like, oh, I have to go get a job now. Yeah,

1:27:17

the refrigerator still has a career. Yeah, that's what

1:27:19

I mean. Like, fuck, this is rough. So,

1:27:21

he does all sorts of shit. They

1:27:24

said, basically, for the next five years,

1:27:26

all he's doing is partying

1:27:28

and ripping through whatever money

1:27:30

he has left and not

1:27:33

doing well here. In 1992, he's

1:27:35

arrested. And

1:27:38

he's going to end up having some problems

1:27:40

here. He's going to be convicted of selling

1:27:42

or transporting a controlled substance. Okay.

1:27:45

Yes, that's what I believe. And he is sentenced

1:27:47

to you, sir. May fuck off

1:27:50

four years in prison for that. Steve

1:27:52

in 92, yeah. And then later on,

1:27:55

he's arrested for drugs again a couple years after

1:27:57

he gets out of prison and he's again. sent

1:28:00

for a four-year term. He

1:28:03

has two bids as long as his

1:28:05

career in the NFL. That's

1:28:09

wild and once again I just remember

1:28:11

the quote I just lost focus. Yeah.

1:28:14

I would say in the

1:28:17

90s then after all of this he's done his jail

1:28:19

time you know because he's got sentenced to four he

1:28:21

didn't do four. So he gets out. He's

1:28:24

got to get his shit together and find a job. He's

1:28:26

a job now. He has no money

1:28:29

and no prospects.

1:28:31

Also he's got a kid. He got

1:28:34

married briefly. That didn't last long. Yeah.

1:28:36

So yeah he's decided he's always interested

1:28:39

in cars. His dad used to own

1:28:41

a wrecking yard so he's

1:28:43

like he's interested in cars. So a

1:28:45

friend was selling cars

1:28:47

under a tent on weekends having

1:28:50

like tent sales of

1:28:52

cars. People that buy a bunch of cars

1:28:54

and whatever. Wholesale. Yeah. Wholesale and basically. So

1:28:56

Richardson went and helped out. So

1:28:59

then he went to auctions as well and would

1:29:01

purchase used cars and sell them to dealerships. So

1:29:04

he would do that when he got to be a good deal. It

1:29:07

led to him becoming a salesman for

1:29:10

Elmore Toyota in Westminster,

1:29:12

California. Oh my

1:29:14

god. I think Richard Dent is still

1:29:16

playing at this point. Yeah.

1:29:18

He played for like 95. Can I

1:29:20

interest you in a forerunner is what

1:29:23

he's asking. How's the NFL going? These

1:29:25

new Camrys are out of control. Seriously.

1:29:27

You got to come in and test

1:29:29

drive one. They're gonna leave the market

1:29:31

for 30 years. 30 years. You got

1:29:33

to come in and test drive one.

1:29:36

Wow. He worked 1 to 9. 1

1:29:38

to 9 p.m. A whole 8 hour

1:29:40

shift. Yes! Selling cars.

1:29:42

That's it. And but

1:29:44

the thing is for him that

1:29:46

85 Bears that is really a stamp

1:29:49

because he's in the Super

1:29:51

Bowl shuffle song so he can use

1:29:53

that in regular life into something small

1:29:55

like a like car dealer like

1:29:57

something little like that can really make a big

1:29:59

difference. for you to make a decent living. And

1:30:02

on his business card, it said Mike Richardson,

1:30:05

85 Super Bowl World Champion. Oh

1:30:08

my God. Yep, that's on

1:30:10

his business card, 10 years after the fact.

1:30:13

Do you think Oliver Miller has that on his

1:30:15

business card? I sure should hope so. What

1:30:18

is his business card for? 1992

1:30:20

Western Conference Ship. He sells cars. Oh

1:30:22

God, Oliver Miller, will eat for food.

1:30:24

Is that what he says? I'll

1:30:27

put on an eating display. If you'll give

1:30:29

me more food. He'll

1:30:35

put on a display that will shock you and

1:30:37

your family. And

1:30:39

then he gets more food for that. That's

1:30:41

what he looks very, well. Will

1:30:44

eat for food.

1:30:46

Oliver Miller will eat for food.

1:30:48

Oh, by the way, 93 Western

1:30:50

Conference Champion. Oh

1:30:55

man, he would wear a Super Bowl ring

1:30:57

while he's selling cars? He has to, right?

1:30:59

Let me show you some of the features

1:31:01

that he's waving his hand around in front

1:31:03

of him. Wave that big fat fucking ring

1:31:05

all over the power window. Have a diamond

1:31:07

catch the sun. Oh, this is my Super

1:31:09

Bowl ring. Have

1:31:12

you happened to have heard of William the

1:31:14

Refrigerator? I was on that team. Have

1:31:16

you seen the Super Bowl shuffle? I'm

1:31:18

LA Mike, and I'm here to say. How

1:31:21

hilarious is that? He had to say, I'm

1:31:23

lazy ass Mike. I'm lazy ass Mike. Lazy

1:31:28

ass Mike. And I'm here to

1:31:30

say. I'm here to

1:31:32

say. I'm

1:31:35

not as good at this as a wrestler anyway. That's

1:31:37

right. I'd

1:31:40

rather be doing coke anyway. I'd

1:31:42

rather be doing coke anyway. So

1:31:46

his friend said, quote, he was a very

1:31:48

good salesman. Michael had the gift of gab

1:31:50

and the ability to personalize you in conversations.

1:31:52

He had a kind of intensity that if

1:31:54

you were in the room with him, you

1:31:57

would be attracted to his charisma. He

1:31:59

wanted to. being sad and embarrassing to

1:32:01

success. Fuck it. This is what I got.

1:32:03

I got to run with it. I mean,

1:32:05

take everything you have and put it out

1:32:07

there. Wife hides your best asset, which is

1:32:09

you might know who I am. Yeah. You

1:32:11

know, which makes you trustworthy. In

1:32:14

a weird way. Right. It makes you, oh, I know

1:32:16

him. Yeah. That means. He wouldn't sell us a lemon.

1:32:18

The man played football. I know that guy saw him

1:32:20

on TV. Whereas if it's some guy you never met,

1:32:22

he could leave tomorrow, run away, never find him. What

1:32:24

was that guy's name? Chip Chad. I don't even fucking

1:32:26

remember. I got a tattoo on his neck. That's all

1:32:29

I know. Oh God, no wonder why I didn't. So

1:32:31

I knew this was going to happen. So

1:32:33

he said one day he wanted to own his own car

1:32:36

dealership here. Um, in

1:32:38

2003, he's asked by a newspaper

1:32:41

to reflect on his career. Oh

1:32:43

boy. In the NFL, he said, this

1:32:45

is funny. It was fantasy land for me

1:32:48

during those seven years. I was a celebrity

1:32:50

and I enjoyed all the perks that came

1:32:52

with the fame of being a Super Bowl

1:32:54

champion. Yeah. I bet. Yeah.

1:32:56

It must've been great. So 2006 routine

1:33:00

traffic stop in Garden Grove, California.

1:33:02

Oh no. Oh yeah. They pull

1:33:05

him over. This is Mr. You

1:33:07

know, I'll sell you a Camry guy here. He

1:33:09

is found with 28 grams, which

1:33:12

is an ounce by the way, if you're not

1:33:14

a drug person, he's, he's

1:33:16

found with 28 grams of

1:33:18

rock cocaine and

1:33:21

10 grams of meth. Oh

1:33:23

no. Not good

1:33:25

at all. Um, he's, why

1:33:27

did he do that? Cause that's what

1:33:29

he's selling fucking drugs. Yeah. Cause fucking cars ain't

1:33:31

enough. He's selling Coke. Yeah. His lifestyle is yeah.

1:33:34

I like, you know, back then he probably made

1:33:36

himself 70 grand a year and then he got

1:33:38

comfortable living at least, you know, he went out,

1:33:40

had a car in the house and pay his

1:33:42

mortgage, but that's not living it. I'm LA Mike.

1:33:44

I'll get you anything from Corolla's Camrys to Coke.

1:33:47

I'm LA Mike. Anything with C's come

1:33:49

and come to the dealership and come

1:33:51

see me. Come and go

1:33:53

with me. Camrys, cocaine, or Corolla's.

1:33:56

I got it all. So

1:34:00

he's facing 13 years in jail

1:34:03

for this. Yeah. Which is

1:34:05

a lot. Yeah, because that's a... and

1:34:07

holy shit. Well, in 2006, the

1:34:09

three strikes is over, right? I believe

1:34:12

so, yeah, at this point. You'd be

1:34:14

an asshole to enforce that in 2006.

1:34:17

But that's... In 1991,

1:34:19

this is fucking life for him.

1:34:21

Yeah. This is like fucking,

1:34:23

you know, White Mike there. You're going for forever

1:34:25

or whatever his name was. Oh, White Boy Rick.

1:34:28

White Boy Rick, White Mike. Why do they say

1:34:30

White... Oh, that's the wire. White

1:34:32

Mike. The wire's White Mike. Yeah, you're right.

1:34:34

It is. The wire's White

1:34:36

Mike. He's the other drug dealer on the line. You're right. Okay.

1:34:40

So they... People

1:34:43

also, his family comes up and

1:34:45

says that his drug

1:34:47

dependency is probably fueled or

1:34:49

exacerbated, at least from head

1:34:51

injuries from his playing days.

1:34:54

Oh, so CTE causes you to be a

1:34:56

drug addict with a fucking ounce of gold?

1:35:00

It doesn't cause you to sell drugs, not just to

1:35:02

do them. It causes you to set up a business.

1:35:06

Which is interesting because at the same time,

1:35:08

so he had CTE in college then when

1:35:10

he was doing coke? When did it

1:35:12

start exactly? Right. Because he's been

1:35:14

doing coke since 82 here, we're talking about. Coke

1:35:17

is the C in CTE? I

1:35:19

think so. Oh, yeah. So his

1:35:21

friends and family came to court. Three

1:35:24

of his sisters provided letters of support

1:35:27

and another sister who's an attorney

1:35:29

with Chicago's International Law Firm, Meyer

1:35:31

Brown LLP at the time, and

1:35:34

also was the former Chicago Building Commissioner

1:35:36

and later on became the president

1:35:38

of the Chicago Board of Education.

1:35:41

Jesus. Yeah, she's fucking serious. She

1:35:43

flew in to speak on his

1:35:45

behalf as well. Is

1:35:47

she going to say that CTE stands for

1:35:49

coke trafficking enterprises too? She says, listen, guys,

1:35:51

you got to know about this stuff. Wow.

1:35:54

She told the court of her days as a

1:35:56

law student when the judge she was clerking for

1:35:58

died and her brother's support. her financially and

1:36:00

gave her a place to stay as she studied

1:36:03

for the bar. She

1:36:05

said that had been the

1:36:07

role he had taken with other family members. She

1:36:09

said that has been the approach

1:36:12

he has taken with respect to friends.

1:36:14

That has been the approach he has

1:36:16

taken with respect to teammates when they

1:36:18

have fallen on hard times or have

1:36:20

found themselves on a path that was

1:36:22

contrary to their interest and contrary to

1:36:24

their societal interest. If you are

1:36:26

down on your luck, he will give you a free rust proof

1:36:28

on that Camry. He is fine with it. He

1:36:31

has a protection. It is all good. She

1:36:35

told the court that her brother had simply

1:36:37

lost his way. Okay. He

1:36:39

is going to wander back on the path. This

1:36:41

is his third time being arrested for drugs though.

1:36:43

That is a problem. She is going to say

1:36:45

he lost focus. Lost his way? Yeah, he is

1:36:48

a lazy L.A. Mike. What do you want? He

1:36:50

said he took his life on a downward turn

1:36:53

after both of their parents died and he had

1:36:55

not been there to support them when they were

1:36:57

ill. She said society would

1:36:59

not be served by his incarceration and

1:37:01

please give him time in a rehab

1:37:03

program. But that does not say

1:37:05

why you are selling crack. I get

1:37:07

why you are doing crack. If

1:37:09

we caught him with a crack pipe in his mouth, they

1:37:12

would be going, yeah, this guy needs help. Maybe help him.

1:37:14

He is not hurting anybody. He is selling

1:37:16

crack. That is not a I am addicted to crack. And meth.

1:37:18

And meth. That is what I mean. He is addicted to both

1:37:20

of them. What the fuck? She

1:37:22

said there is no question he is an

1:37:25

addict. But there is a line between those

1:37:27

who are addicted and have no promise, no

1:37:29

hope, no direction, no opportunity, no foundation and

1:37:31

those who are not. He is the exception

1:37:33

to the rule. When he is present,

1:37:36

he is an exemplary person. Yeah.

1:37:39

Ditka. That is a fucking ounce of coke. That

1:37:41

is a lot of crack. It was rock. Rock coke. That is

1:37:44

ready for fucking ready for sale. Yeah.

1:37:46

Mike Ditka sent a handwritten letter to

1:37:49

the judge and offered to pay

1:37:51

for Michael's treatment if he would let him

1:37:53

have that. Wow.

1:37:56

Pretty goddamn cool actually. As much as a

1:37:58

tooth bag as Mike Ditka is. That's

1:38:00

pretty fucking awesome to do. I've never

1:38:02

heard of a coach being that rad.

1:38:04

That's pretty cool. Dent and former teammate

1:38:07

Tyrone Keys, who was a backup defensive

1:38:09

lineman on the Super Bowl team, also

1:38:11

wrote letters on his behalf. Mike

1:38:14

Dicke said, I will help in any way

1:38:16

necessary. Someone spelled necessary

1:38:18

for him. They were like, N-E-C.

1:38:20

No way Mike Dicke sat down

1:38:22

with no spell check with a

1:38:24

pen and spelled necessary. I defy

1:38:28

you any day Mike Dicke

1:38:30

to sit down and spell necessary to me. He

1:38:36

definitely got help. I

1:38:38

also want to spell tomorrow without looking

1:38:40

at anything. Yeah, don't look at shit

1:38:42

and disappear while you're at it. Because

1:38:44

it's two hours, motherfucker. Exactly. I will

1:38:46

help in any way necessary to try

1:38:48

and find a way to help him

1:38:50

through this tough time. I believe his

1:38:52

life is worth trying to save. Richard

1:38:55

Dent said, I know that Mike is troubled,

1:38:58

but a good man to his soul. I

1:39:00

would deeply beg the court to give Mike

1:39:02

one last chance. Richardson

1:39:04

said he wasn't sure Dicke would. He asked Dicke

1:39:07

to send this. He sent letters out to everybody

1:39:09

saying, I need letters of support. And

1:39:11

he didn't expect Dicke to respond, but

1:39:14

he said he was happy

1:39:16

he did. Mike said, quote, that's part of

1:39:18

the gamble when you reach out and ask

1:39:20

for help, the rejection part. Not everybody's going

1:39:22

to help you when you're not doing too

1:39:24

well. The judge at the time really respected

1:39:26

Mike. So that letter he wrote helped me

1:39:28

probably more than anything. Respected Mike Dicke is

1:39:30

what he's saying. So a

1:39:33

boyhood friend of his, the guy who I keep saying

1:39:35

his friend says this, we

1:39:37

grew up with him. That's his attorney, Timothy

1:39:39

Wright. He's a Chicago attorney and

1:39:42

a boyhood friend of his. Yeah,

1:39:45

he would, by the way, be the

1:39:48

director of domestic policy for Bill

1:39:51