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Hello,

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everybody, and welcome back to crime

3:22

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3:24

Yay indeed, Jimmy.

3:27

Yay indeed. My name is James I'm

3:29

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3:32

you folks so much for joining us today.

3:34

on a home stretch episode

3:37

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3:39

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3:43

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3:45

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3:47

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3:49

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3:51

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3:54

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3:56

that's that's our thing here. This -- Yeah. --

3:58

last call it a closer closer.

4:00

That's it. That's it. You're closing

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4:06

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4:08

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4:13

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4:15

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4:17

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4:49

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4:51

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5:32

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6:02

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6:10

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6:12

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6:14

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6:16

he's gonna pick one of each and we are gonna

6:18

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6:20

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6:22

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6:36

think it's time to get into this because we

6:38

got a whole lot of insanity

6:40

that's eating good Alright. This this

6:42

is one of those, let's say, this

6:44

story, there's so much crime, there's

6:46

so much insane. Even his sports stuff

6:48

is insane. Like, well, even that's

6:50

crazy. So -- Okay. -- let's do

6:52

it with Hector Luis

6:55

Camacho Matías

6:57

junior -- Of course. -- is that

6:59

Hector Macho Camacho.

7:01

Do you know of Hector macho

7:03

camacho, Jimmy? I love him. He's

7:05

okay. But what a boxer? he's

7:08

he's the one of the first one

7:12

of the first guys to make his ring

7:14

entrance a big showpiece

7:17

wearing a crazy costume, having a

7:19

bunch of people, having crazy music, that

7:21

didn't go down back then like that.

7:23

Holly had a little bit of a thing. Couple of guys

7:25

at something, but this is like, neck,

7:28

what guys do now? It's a big giant

7:30

presentation. It's like wrestling. where the ring entrance

7:32

is just as important as the as the match

7:34

or the fight. So But what a

7:36

boxer? Holy shit. Oh, he's a

7:38

great fighter. He's a great fighter.

7:40

he is one of the guys. I remember growing

7:42

up. My stepmother's father have said was a boxing

7:44

trainer and he had a gym, you know, and guys would

7:46

train in there and he had all the equipment the fucking

7:48

ring and on the walls were covered

7:51

in, you know, boxers

7:53

from magazines. It's just put up everywhere and like

7:55

things. And I remember there was a shitload of

7:57

macho Camacho up there. I remember as,

7:59

like, a little kid being, like, wow. This guy's

8:01

fucking crazy. Like -- Yeah. -- I remember

8:03

just watching him, like, reading the articles

8:05

about him and watching his looking at his

8:07

crazy haircuts and ring outfits, and

8:10

he's got his haircut like a goddamn

8:12

checkerboard. He's wearing just

8:14

a giant Puerto Rican flag outfit

8:16

with a he's nuts. He's

8:18

funniest shit, so he's born

8:21

May twenty fourth nineteen sixty

8:23

two. a whole year. Yeah.

8:25

Yeah. He's a older guy. He's a

8:27

three year old man. Sixty. Yeah. He

8:29

was born in Beaumont, Puerto

8:31

Rico, here -- -- which is one

8:34

of the cities that make up the, like, the

8:36

San Juan area.

8:38

It's a suburb of San Juan, I guess,

8:40

here. So he's born there.

8:42

His parents are, of course, Hector Luis

8:44

Camacho senior and being

8:46

junior, obviously. This is so much

8:48

this is double junior. he's a junior

8:50

and we'll talk about his kid. It's it's a

8:53

lot. So and his wife his mother's name

8:55

is Murder, Maria

8:57

Matías. That's where that comes from.

8:59

he's the second youngest of five.

9:01

His younger brother

9:03

Felix is also a boxer. We'll talk about his

9:05

record, and what he does Camacho,

9:08

and so is Hector's

9:10

son as well. So Is that right? A

9:12

lot of boxing in his family. He's got

9:14

sisters named Raquel Australia

9:16

and Esper Anza. That's Got

9:18

an Esperanza. There's an Esperanza

9:20

in that family. It's a good

9:22

one. Yeah. That's a it's a fun name you yell

9:24

across the house. Esperanza. You

9:29

stole my Nintendo game.

9:32

Esperanza. It's

9:34

very

9:35

you can really, like, from a mountain top.

9:37

That's Buran top.

9:39

It's a good

9:42

name. Very solid.

9:45

So when he was three,

9:47

his parents separated. Oh.

9:50

So, yeah, his parents separate and

9:52

his mother moves everybody to

9:54

New York. Oh. That's where he

9:57

grows up. Yeah. So he's he ends up growing up in

9:59

New York. He grows up in

10:01

Spanish Harlem. That's where they live. He

10:02

James Weldon Johnson Housing

10:05

Project in Spanish Harlem. Son of

10:07

a bitch. Yeah. He comes up tough times

10:09

up there in in Savannah,

10:11

Charlotte. likely an upgrade from

10:13

suburb of San Juan. at

10:15

the time, possibly. It

10:18

was it was deteriorating

10:20

badly during the sixties and then

10:22

the seventies is like the hay day and

10:24

then crack came in in the earliest. I mean, it was

10:26

it was falling apart pretty bad at that

10:28

point. But he Camacho attends

10:30

six different high schools,

10:32

they say. This isn't, like, a year like, two

10:34

years because he gets kicked out of all of them, and

10:36

then he's on his school after a while.

10:38

He gets kicked out of schools

10:40

left and right. he's a hyperactive maniac,

10:43

like -- Yeah. -- what you see

10:45

in the ring and to describe him quickly, I

10:47

guess, to kinda have to give an overview of

10:49

this guy as a boxer. First

10:51

of all, you need to Google search a picture

10:53

of Macho, Camacho, in the

10:55

ring or on the way, ring entrance, something like

10:57

that where you can see the flamboyance of

10:59

the outfits and he always

11:01

had a crazy quote. It was his

11:03

whole style. Everybody says

11:06

that's not an act. That's

11:08

just germs. how he is.

11:10

Yeah. There's a quote later on where they're like,

11:12

yeah, you know how, like, most guys will do this

11:14

big flamboyant act and they change in the street

11:16

clothes and they leave. This guy puts on

11:18

a crazier route fit and then goes out in the

11:20

street. He's a different he's a different kind

11:22

of cat. He puts on a lion's skin and

11:24

leaves. And then he just leaves. No one with

11:26

the head sitting above with, like, an open

11:28

mouth, you know, sitting on top of his

11:30

head. That's that's the type of shitty would

11:32

wear with a giant down the street. He

11:34

has a huge, huge excuse me,

11:36

by the way. I'm sorry. If my voice is a little

11:38

bit bad this week, we got back from the road.

11:40

Yeah. Just got back from the road, and I think I

11:42

caught some Oklahoma in there. somewhere. I don't

11:44

know. We were in Oklahoma. I'm

11:46

not sure what that is. They just call it

11:48

the the Oklahoma fun. town

11:51

out here. I think I'm still trying to get it out. That

11:53

walk to seven eleven that I Murder. This

11:56

was great. We're I walked to seven

11:58

eleven at eleven o'clock at night.

12:00

and I took an Uber back because it was it was,

12:02

like, over a half a mile away and it was freezing

12:05

outside. Yeah. So I I take an

12:07

Uber back and I get in the car and he goes,

12:09

You walked here. And I said, yeah. And he goes

12:11

congratulations on being alive, and then he

12:13

pulled out of the parking lot. Looks like I don't

12:15

think this is a good neighborhood. So

12:18

that's what I caught something. Yeah. So

12:20

he's always getting in in

12:23

trouble. He's always getting into

12:25

street fights. He's getting into

12:27

you will talk about shoplifting and

12:29

car theft and all sorts of street shit.

12:31

He's running around on the street. He's

12:33

like defiant to his mom

12:35

too in a way that's You know, not

12:37

an well, it's very strange. There's a

12:39

guy named Pat Flannery. And

12:41

he's a language teacher in his high

12:43

school. and he helped or

12:45

hector learn to read at age

12:47

fifteen. Yikes.

12:49

Yeah. So he went to till fifteen

12:51

without even knowing how to read which

12:53

is a reason also why he would be cutting up if

12:55

he doesn't understand anything that's going on in

12:57

school because he can't read, he's gonna try to distract

13:00

from that. Yeah. Don't don't call on

13:02

me. Right. Don't call on

13:04

me. I'm standing on my desk, jumping up and

13:06

down, saying, I'm the macho man. You

13:08

don't Yeah. I'm not the

13:10

guy to ask to read the poetry down

13:12

and read page six. Exactly.

13:16

So he he taught him to read

13:18

and according to Hector, he

13:20

acted like a father figure to him because Hector

13:22

didn't have his dad around. Mhmm. And

13:24

Flannery says, quote, try to

13:26

imagine him in a classroom vaulting through

13:28

an open window with a window with a

13:30

window poll jumping over

13:32

podiums. He said that's how he would just

13:34

bounce around. He said that he

13:36

never did anything bad really.

13:38

He said, quote, he was just playful

13:40

though really playful, never did anything

13:42

remotely evil. He said, so it

13:44

wasn't it wasn't really bad

13:46

shit. He was just a pain in the ass because

13:48

he's got There's way too much

13:50

energy. Yeah. Exactly. He'll feel

13:52

replaceable. He'll get into things. He's

13:54

more of the type you go. Hector,

13:57

what are you doing, man? You know, like,

13:59

come on. Not yeah. Not like,

14:01

oh my god. He's hurting that kid. He

14:03

just he just put a knife to somebody's throat.

14:05

That's not really his his

14:07

game in school. Nice. He

14:09

gets into shoplifting. And

14:11

he said he loved it. He said he learned a shoplift

14:13

at a young age. He loved shoplifting. He

14:15

said it was great. You just walk in

14:17

and you take shit for free that you don't have the

14:19

money for. It's amazing. He thought of it as like,

14:21

who who nobody ever think of

14:23

this before. You just take it.

14:26

So I also loved it. Was

14:29

it Vicky? He well,

14:31

yeah. Well, Hector, he's in another level, I

14:33

think, though, as we'll we'll talk about here. Not

14:36

just one Sega Genesis game here.

14:38

We're talking about He

14:41

okay. His mother at one

14:43

point he had built up a collection of

14:45

thirty GI Joe figures that

14:47

he stole. Okay? Okay.

14:49

That's pretty good. We're talking those are the

14:51

big boys from the sixties, early seventies,

14:53

not your Oh, you read. Yeah.

14:55

We're talking the fucking These things

14:57

have hair, guys. Yeah. They're big.

14:59

They're not the little fuckers you can hide them all

15:01

over. These big things are huge. They come in

15:03

a big box and everything. He had thirty

15:05

of them that he'd stole and his

15:07

mother found them and said, well,

15:09

you don't have any money and I didn't buy these for you,

15:11

so you must have stole them. So she took

15:13

them all and threw them in the incinerator.

15:15

Oh my god. How about the

15:17

Salvation Army or I don't know whatever your

15:19

charity is that church down

15:21

the street that gives out toys at Christmas.

15:23

How about that? In Cetera. keep

15:25

them. I'm a hero to myself. At

15:28

least, yeah, they're there anyway. Or You know what you

15:30

do? Actually, if you really wanna fuck, give them give

15:32

them all to his brother. That's what you do.

15:34

You're not allowed to play with them, Hector, your

15:36

brother is. He would hate

15:38

that. That's what you do. He's

15:40

he's one thirty times mom.

15:42

Just let him be. his

15:44

quote about it in sports illustrated

15:46

at later date is wild. He says,

15:48

quote, the next day I come back, I

15:50

got thirty four GI Joe's.

15:54

got the airplane, got the helicopter, got

15:56

a starship. What? He

15:58

went out and just stole the entire

16:00

GIG line.

16:02

and brought it home. He was like, what's up with

16:04

that? You throw these away? I'll get fucking

16:06

stretch arms strong too tomorrow. I'll come back

16:08

with all the GI Joe's, stretch

16:10

arms strong. and a set of jarts. Don't

16:12

fuck Test me. Test me, bitch.

16:14

I swear. He's

16:16

all about Place it. and

16:18

I got COBRA, suck it

16:21

suck this this COBRA nuts.

16:24

So that's what he's

16:26

got here. he gets

16:28

into he finds boxing

16:31

and Flannery kinda guides him

16:33

into it because it's like, hey, you have

16:35

lots of energy and -- Right. -- aren't real good

16:37

at reading. You like to

16:39

punch things. Maybe this is good

16:41

for you. You know? Yeah. So

16:43

he learned to box and he also took

16:45

karate when he was a teenager as well.

16:47

Okay. Which as a teenager in the mid

16:49

seventies was the That was a

16:51

big peak of karate, them. Everybody

16:53

Bruce Lee was everybody Bruce

16:55

Lee was, like, everybody's favorite human

16:58

being back then. So that's

17:00

fascinating that Every generation

17:02

has had a martial artist guy

17:04

that's been like the guy. You know what

17:06

I mean? From -- Yeah. -- bruisely

17:08

on, there's always been a

17:10

guy. always been well, it's always been trying to fill the Bruce

17:12

Lee role, which no one ever has. because Bruce

17:14

Lee was a cultural I mean, he was a different

17:16

type of thing, man. I mean, that

17:18

was everybody tried

17:20

to be brucely. Like, people look watch Jackie

17:22

Chan and they were like, hey, look at him bounce around.

17:24

But it wasn't like, oh, I gotta be him.

17:26

Nobody thought that. The difference is Bruce

17:28

Lee had philosophy mixed in with it all. You

17:30

know what I mean? It was it was being a good

17:33

person, not not just fighting

17:35

people. Just a whole thing was Jack's still was

17:37

being bullied and everything. Yeah.

17:39

He's he always played a dumb guy

17:41

who could just happen to be and it was almost like

17:43

he like, wow. I didn't even know I could fight

17:45

was a look on his face. Wow. I know how to do this

17:47

somehow. Like, like, he'd been

17:49

programmed at another time.

17:51

Yeah. See, I just tied a bunch of people together

17:53

with a piece of rope, and I didn't even know I

17:55

could do that. The and then hit and

17:57

then even swung the ladder around my neck and I

17:59

hit every -- Right. -- school. I've

18:01

never climbed the ladder. I've never tried my shoes. I

18:03

don't know where to be. I don't know how

18:05

to tie. We're velcro since I

18:08

was five. The sad

18:10

part is our age growing

18:12

up. Our our martial arts

18:14

icon was Ralph Machio. So that's

18:16

even sadder. That was ours.

18:18

But for me, especially -- Damn. -- no,

18:21

it was my for me, it was like, this is

18:23

an Italian kid from Jersey. Yeah.

18:25

He's the best karate guy in the world.

18:27

Look at him go. You put your fist

18:30

Oh. Put your fist together swing them

18:32

back and forth like that fucking thing. I

18:34

don't care how much bigger he is. Have you been doing this

18:36

since he was too fucking his old? You can

18:38

beat him that way. That was

18:40

that was karate Rocky is what I've

18:42

always called it. It's just karate

18:44

Rocky. That's where it

18:46

got. I like him down. And

18:49

his movies were so dumb. He's a horrible

18:51

Very bad. Yeah. Yeah. They were like that

18:53

fucking accent. I can't I can't I have

18:56

time understanding him. I have a hard

18:58

time understanding for him sometimes.

19:01

All he's saying is I'm gonna punch you in

19:03

the face. That's true. I guess if you're

19:05

threatening a throat punch, you don't really

19:07

need to nuance a language at that

19:09

point. Yeah. I guess you're right. You're right, Jimmy. When

19:11

you're right, you're right, man. Yeah.

19:13

Listen. you're punching somebody, you can suck all the croissant you

19:15

want. If you can kick two guys that are

19:17

on the opposite side of you at the same time,

19:20

I feel like at that point that you're talking

19:22

is really, null and void.

19:25

Doesn't throw it out and say

19:27

whatever you want. Doesn't matter. suck

19:30

Microsoft is what he's saying to people, and then he kicks them

19:32

in the face. So Anyway,

19:37

here we Camacho starts

19:40

enters gold glove competitions and things like

19:42

that and does amateur boxing.

19:45

People see immediate Jimmie that he's got

19:47

talent for it. Number one, he's got the

19:49

energy. Number two, he has no

19:51

fear of he really just doesn't have fear.

19:53

He's one of those guys that you know,

19:55

whether he's driving a hundred twenty miles an

19:57

hour or he's in the ring against, you

19:59

know, Felix Trinidad, he

20:01

doesn't fear anything. He's just, you

20:03

know, he'll eat a punch. Yeah. He's not a friend. Yeah.

20:05

And he's never he can never knocked out in his

20:07

whole career. He fights eighty eight fights. He

20:09

never gets knocked out. He barely gets

20:11

knocked down. And he's this

20:13

is from you know, what, a hundred thirty

20:15

five, up to Walterweight, up to the, you know, he

20:17

was fighting one fifty four at the end for Christ's

20:19

sake. So Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well,

20:21

he was in his forties. So Yeah. Put

20:23

on a couple. So

20:25

his his younger brother Felix ends

20:27

up a twenty and six lifetime fighter

20:29

as well. That Felix Camacho.

20:32

So he fights in the gold gloves by

20:34

nineteen by nineteen seventy eight. He's fought in

20:36

the gold gloves. He has a son

20:38

at age fifteen as

20:40

well. What? Oh, yeah. He fathers a

20:42

son at age fifteen. Hector

20:44

junior, Rohr, at

20:46

fifty. At fifteen

20:48

or as he's known as

20:50

Macho. little Camacho. Macho. So --

20:52

-- little there he is. Little macho. So

20:55

that's the guy there. Junior

20:58

here is Macho,

21:00

he goes in his total in his career.

21:02

He ends up fifty eight and seven.

21:05

Fifty eight, seven and one in his career. That's

21:07

not bad. No. It's fucking That's

21:09

really good. It's fucking amazing. I

21:11

need never have heard of them. Thirty

21:13

two wins by knockout as

21:15

well. How out of fifty

21:17

fifty eight wins. So, I mean, that's

21:19

really good. He he

21:21

was known he in two

21:23

thousand seven, ten, fourteen, and sixteen, he

21:25

went the WBC Caribbean boxing

21:27

Federation light little middleweight

21:29

title. Uh-huh. So Did he call

21:31

Jimmie Hector the junior because

21:34

his dad's not around and it's kinda like a

21:36

is that a slight to his dad? because he's

21:38

technically the third. He's technically a third,

21:40

but I that's one of where if you just call

21:42

him, he says he's a junior. He's also a

21:44

junior, I guess. If you don't have to make him the

21:46

third, he is a junior. I guess

21:48

he cut his dad off like it didn't exist. Yeah.

21:51

Later on, they they call

21:53

Hector, you know, that we're talking about, not the

21:55

sun. They call him Hector Hector

21:57

Camacho senior. So, yeah, just Fuck my

21:59

dad. Yeah. That's a slight

22:01

for sure. I bet it is.

22:03

Yeah. So at this

22:05

time, but he's got all this going on. Gold

22:08

gloves kid shoplifting, you know, GI Joe collections.

22:10

He's got it all happening. Fifteen.

22:12

Now he's stealing cars. And he's stealing

22:15

cars. before this, but this is when he starts to

22:17

get caught a lot is the problem. New

22:19

York. In in New York City. Yeah. He first

22:21

time, he's caught he's

22:23

caught in a chase driving

22:25

a Ford Pinto. He stole a pinto. That's

22:28

not very bright. I'm sorry. No.

22:31

You don't steal a pinto. didn't

22:33

they have a bad reputation for being a lemon when

22:35

they first came out? I

22:38

don't know if they I don't know. I think

22:40

the first couple years. I think they were thought of

22:42

as good cars. And then they said, oh, shit.

22:44

They explode. That's good. And then they

22:46

turned into the the Samsung

22:48

fucking whatever model. phone

22:50

of cars that and that was that.

22:52

Then they were a joke for the rest of that

22:55

eternity. So he takes a

22:57

pinto on a thirty block

22:59

car chase. thirty bucks. It's

23:01

hard to be running from. If they pin the

23:03

movie, that thing's gonna explode. You're

23:05

gonna pop. So and then finally,

23:07

he is also caught joy

23:09

riding in a stolen car with a friend who's driving. So

23:12

this apparently happens a lot, and

23:14

this line lands him in Ryker's

23:16

Island. Oh, mine. Hey.

23:18

He's sixteen years old. He serves three and

23:20

a half months in Rikers Island for Grand

23:22

Theft Auto. Holy shit. That's

23:24

hard. That's that's hard fucking time for a

23:26

sixteen year old. in Rikers. But

23:28

lucky for him, he's a fucking gold gloves

23:30

boxer at this point and not

23:32

the first cat to fuck with,

23:34

really. Even though he mall. He's a

23:36

little guy. He's a hundred thirty pounds. He'll light your ass up like a Christmas

23:38

tree. I wouldn't wanna mess with him. Yeah. So

23:41

he serves that. He

23:44

he he's kinda like he

23:46

says later on, quote, it was my way

23:48

of having fun. Steeling cars.

23:51

Steeling cars. Yeah. He said it was my way of

23:53

having fun. If I stole a car, in my

23:55

mind, I was borrowing it. It was just part of

23:57

a game. I'm young, fifteen or

23:59

sixteen, I'm having fun. Can I get

24:01

away with it or not? A game. Right? That's

24:03

Hector. You're a father.

24:07

Yeah. Yeah. would

24:09

you tell your son about that? Hector.

24:12

Jesus. Now go back to math class.

24:14

What the fuck is happening? If

24:16

you sophomoric, he's sixteen, he's

24:18

a child. This is ridiculous. This

24:20

is why you don't have kids when you're fifteen because

24:22

you say things like, isn't it fun to

24:24

steal cars? It's just a game. It's

24:26

a game. Wow. So,

24:28

yeah, there was a the big

24:30

rumor around him was that he only took the

24:33

best cars. He stole all these really

24:35

nice cars. and there was like this big

24:37

rumor later on that he would steal them and then

24:39

he would wash them and wax them and

24:41

do all that and that even that

24:43

he would fill them up with gas then return them to where he

24:45

found them eventually. I

24:47

didn't see all these filthy cars with

24:49

no gas in them. I'm gonna take it

24:51

for a little spin, but I'm gonna bring it back to you

24:53

better than I have, better than when I got it. You know

24:55

what I'm saying? So really, I'm

24:57

just wiping my fingerprints off it,

24:59

but all. But the byproduct

25:01

is that it's shiny. They they

25:03

asked him, quote, that part might be

25:06

exaggerated. He says, He said

25:08

once I did fill a car up at a

25:10

gas station and peel out without paying.

25:12

So yeah, I guess that could be filling up a

25:14

victim's car. That's what he said. Stole

25:16

a car, stole gas. Lena. Yeah. He's like, you

25:18

know, I filled that one up. I used it by driving

25:20

around, but so he ends up

25:22

in jail, and he's a mess.

25:25

And why is he here? And it's actually

25:27

an older inmate -- Mhmm. -- that talks to

25:29

him. Somebody that had some respect actually

25:32

heard about, you know, his life and he's like, you're

25:35

sixteen. You got a kid. You're a

25:37

gold gloves boxer. Like, you're a real up and

25:39

comer. No shit boxer. and

25:41

he said, quote, what are you doing

25:44

here? Fuck you doing here, dude. Yeah. And

25:46

Hector went, yeah, what the fuck am

25:48

I doing here? This is stupid. Why am I doing

25:50

this? I should take my car stealing

25:52

time because he wasn't even doing it for money. It

25:54

was just fun. It wasn't like you had a It's a

25:56

game. Yeah. He wasn't like gone in sixty

25:58

seconds in this shit. It was like, you know, he didn't

26:00

have a chop shop with an order. He's just picking it

26:02

up, driving it around, fucking ditching it somewhere.

26:05

That's stupid. Not like fucking

26:07

dumb. A holy grail of vehicles.

26:09

He's just he's just No. gonna view it because view

26:11

it's available. Yeah. There's a he was driving

26:13

a pinto. That's proof that he was

26:15

not discriminating about

26:18

cars. Yeah. So his amateur

26:20

fight career starts before

26:22

this, and then there's a you'll see that

26:24

he fights he ends up fighting a

26:26

hundred fights. I have a couple of them

26:28

here. A lot of them were in the felt form of Madison

26:30

Square Garden for

26:33

the golden gloves. Right before he went

26:35

to prison, he fights and wins

26:38

the sub novice class championship

26:40

New York State Golden Globes title.

26:43

He does that. Then in nineteen

26:45

seventy nine, he's in the hundred eighteen

26:47

pound division of the New York State Golden

26:49

gloves, and he's Kicking

26:51

ass all through that. He becomes

26:53

champion of that, beats a guy named Paul

26:55

DeVorse, which is a great name.

26:57

DEV0RCE

27:00

Paul DeForest. That's a good that's a

27:02

good. It's definitely pronounced

27:04

DeForest. That's what's great about it. Paul.

27:06

It looks Paulie D'Vorte.

27:08

You go with D'Vorte, I think if you're

27:10

him. It's D'Vorte. Alright?

27:13

So he does all that. He also

27:15

beats a guy named Torez for

27:17

the Golden New York

27:19

versus Chicago Intercity

27:21

Golden Globes Championship. He beats

27:23

him as well. That's a thing. Uh-huh. Yeah. He's

27:26

doing doing pretty good here.

27:28

Here is a nineteen seventy

27:30

nine as an article by a guy named

27:32

Randy Gordon. It's not from nineteen seventy

27:34

nine. This is from later on,

27:36

but this guy knows him all the

27:38

way back. He's a boxing writer, been around

27:40

forever, also was involved in

27:43

promotions, I think. And he

27:45

he he's known him since Camacho

27:47

was fifteen years old. So

27:50

he writes yeah, he were, you know, forty years later, he writes

27:52

an article about him. And he

27:54

says, quote, I first met

27:56

Camacho when he was a teenage amateur

27:58

star fighting out of New

27:59

York City. When I began my career

28:02

at Ring Magazine in nineteen seventy

28:04

nine, Camacho used to come up to our

28:06

Manhattan office on a regular basis.

28:08

On a few occasions, he brought brought his

28:11

infant son, Hector junior with

28:13

him. That's hilarious. Always.

28:15

As little Hector played, His dad talked

28:17

about boxing with me and my staff. His

28:20

presence in Glow used to override even the

28:22

thick cigar smoke from Bert

28:24

Sugar's private paper strewn

28:26

office. That's great that Burt Sugar's in there smoking cigars.

28:28

That's awesome. He says, quote,

28:30

Camacho visited my office regularly

28:33

He'd constantly tell Bert and me how he was going

28:35

to be champ one day, saying, quote,

28:37

it's inevitable that I'm going to be

28:39

champ. Nothing can stop me.

28:42

That's how he has no fear. After

28:44

a while, however, we realized his late

28:46

teenage testosterone was running a muck

28:48

and that he was coming up to coming up

28:51

to visit two of our lovely Puerto

28:53

Rican secretaries at least as much

28:55

as he was coming up to visit

28:57

us. He loves ladies.

28:59

Yeah. We're we're talking in public

29:01

in a car while he's driving. We'll

29:03

talk about that. There's so many

29:05

stories of him with women. He

29:08

then goes on to say, quote, he was also

29:10

there to visit two of the stock boys we

29:13

employed to share a few lines of

29:15

blow with them. I used to admonish

29:17

them all, but it was of no use.

29:20

As the habits of the stock boys

29:22

grew, and as the ring records books disappeared at an

29:24

alarming rate, Burton I dismissed the

29:26

stock boys preserving the record books and

29:28

other ring material for consumers.

29:31

Camacho didn't care. He still had his Puerto

29:33

Rican beauties. They, on the other hand, wanted

29:35

no part of his attraction to cocaine

29:37

or his attraction to them.

29:39

What they wanted was his charm and boyish

29:42

charisma. Nothing more. They were

29:44

smart. So -- Okay. -- that's him

29:46

as a he's just

29:48

insatiable in every way, shape, or form.

29:50

It's boxing, it's coke, it's

29:52

attention, it's multiple women, it's this, it's

29:54

that, it's going out, it's look at my outfit.

29:56

He's just He's all energy.

29:58

He's human cocaine. That's

29:59

that's what he is. He's a human

30:02

stimulant. And he's smiling it.

30:04

Oh, yeah. He's

30:04

good at it too. I don't know how the hell he does it for

30:06

so long. Either way, though, he's

30:09

going in here. He he

30:11

wins all, like I said, all these golden

30:14

gloves titles and everything like that. In

30:16

his in his amateur career, he

30:18

had a hundred fights apparently, and

30:20

he was ninety six and four.

30:23

It's an amateurs. As an amateur. And

30:25

you could lose those. So there's three rounders

30:27

with, you know, head gear on it.

30:29

So it's, like, you could lose those on points so

30:31

easily -- Yeah. -- just against somebody

30:34

who's kinda Just kinda

30:36

slippery. Yeah. Or you just even just,

30:38

you know, better at not getting hit

30:40

one in a Mhmm. So now

30:42

the nickname Macho, obviously, it's

30:44

it's The word is the word is

30:46

in his last name. Right.

30:49

So it's not too hard to just cut the

30:51

CA off. I think his last name

30:53

literally means very

30:55

very macho. Macho

30:58

macho is his last name. He

31:00

says

31:00

that his father says that

31:03

his father claims to have given him the

31:05

nickname, saying that it was because he

31:07

was his youngest son, so he called the

31:09

macho, which I don't know what that why

31:11

he

31:11

would do that. The New

31:13

York Times at one point printed

31:16

that that Pat Flannery, his

31:18

teacher and mentor there, is the one who

31:20

gave it to him during his teens.

31:22

But Hector himself

31:24

says that the nickname came

31:26

because on job sites he was working when

31:28

he was first starting out boxing, coworkers

31:30

in a factory couldn't pronounce Camacho, so

31:32

they just call It

31:35

was just easier to cut it off, so they

31:37

all call, yo, Macho of

31:39

Camacho. how white are these people?

31:42

I don't know. He was I don't know what It's not

31:44

that heart of a name. Maybe

31:47

he was train in up state somewhere? Like, way you fucking

31:49

up state? Like, north of

31:51

Castamato, I have no goddamn idea

31:53

because that's or maybe

31:55

a little more west over and

31:57

fucking running or something.

31:59

They they train in Lake Plaza, but that's

32:01

not till later. So

32:04

one guy said a lot of guys came

32:06

in with outfits and costumes, but they go

32:08

back to the locker room, they take them off

32:10

and they go walk out in their street clothes.

32:13

Camacho was completely authentic. He was

32:15

just as comfortable being outside of the ring as

32:17

he was inside of the ring with some of these

32:19

costumes. Does multiple people

32:21

say that? He makes his pro debut

32:23

September twelfth nineteen eighty at the

32:25

FFELT Forum, which is the smaller

32:27

arena inside Madison Square Garden, holds

32:29

about five thousand. Tiny little

32:31

boys. Tiny little boy. Well, Matt is this work

32:33

garden old twenty, so -- Right. -- in

32:35

comparison. It's he

32:37

fights David Brown, who's o one

32:39

and one, and Hector wins by

32:41

points goes the dis four rounds is the

32:43

distance here. So one

32:45

and o, next up, except

32:47

two couple months later, December

32:49

twelfth nineteen eighty, felt for him. He fights a

32:51

guy who's 011 named Benny Yanos,

32:53

and he's 014 for his career. So you

32:55

know how this guy Hector knocks him out

32:57

in the first round for his first knockout

33:00

in two and o, March twelfth

33:02

nineteen eighty one. So there's some lag

33:04

there. It's for a

33:05

young fighter. That's big difference

33:07

in in time. He's got a

33:09

forum, man. He's yeah, really. He's working at

33:11

a factory. He couldn't get off work. He

33:14

felt forum. He fights Herman

33:17

Ingram, who also, I

33:19

guess, after finding religion, changed his

33:21

name to Hassan Ali, but I don't know if it

33:23

was about religion or just the fact that he was

33:25

one nine and one coming into this

33:27

fight and ended up six twenty three and

33:29

one. Maybe he just wanted to hide a little bit

33:32

after this embarrassing fucking career.

33:34

Hector beats him by decision three and o,

33:37

March twenty seventh eighty one,

33:39

which is a couple weeks later. Now

33:41

he's fighting. He fights Robert

33:43

Johnson, who's also one nine and one

33:45

coming in. He fights two guys

33:47

in a row whose records were one nine and

33:49

one. What are

33:49

the odds of that? That sounds

33:51

on purpose. I I'm

33:54

I'm pretty decent at math, but I don't know

33:57

that's that's pretty. pretty remarkable. Yeah.

33:59

This Robert Johnson ends up two

34:01

sixteen in one for his career. So not very

34:03

good. Mhmm. Knock out in the

34:05

first round for Hector Hector. In

34:07

April of eighty one, he fights Jerry Strickland who

34:09

comes into the fight at nine and

34:11

fifty three. Yikes, man.

34:14

Nine wins fifty

34:16

three losses. His careers,

34:18

totals here. Holy shit.

34:20

Thirteen wins, a hundred

34:22

and twenty three losses.

34:24

Holy shit. What do you think? How much money

34:26

does it do you make for losing? How

34:29

long do you think it would take that guy

34:31

to do a word search right now? Like an

34:33

elementary school word search? like a

34:35

Thanksgiving, like, Turkey, like stuff day. menu word search.

34:37

Yeah. Like a denny's word search.

34:40

What? Three, four days,

34:42

I think. to

34:44

take it home with him. Put his fucking reading

34:46

glasses on the finishes at home with

34:48

the syrup all over. Yeah. I'm

34:50

gonna take this home with me. This

34:53

will be good later. This will occupy my night. It looks

34:55

fun to color that cowboy. I'm gonna

34:57

do that later.

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man couldn't get it in the lines. So

36:44

second round knockout for Hector.

36:46

So now he's five and Hector knocking people

36:48

out. He's knocked everybody out. Well,

36:51

to three to three out of five anyway.

36:53

Doing well. In May or, like, a

36:55

week later, May second, he's

36:58

fighting Thomas, Whisman, Enrique

37:00

Diaz. who he's one in

37:02

four, he sucks. Hector beats him

37:04

by decision. We'll go through these early ones quick

37:06

here. May sixteenth eighty one at

37:09

the Concord resort hotel in Kia

37:11

mesa lake. I don't know where the I

37:13

think that is a

37:16

Concord New Hampshire maybe?

37:18

I don't know. Is that I

37:19

don't know. There's any any other conquered. It's

37:22

gotta be nice. Yeah. Maybe. I have no

37:24

idea. Either way, he fights a guy named

37:26

Caito Ali who is

37:28

certainly I hope not related

37:30

to any

37:30

of the boxing alleys because this

37:32

guy's o and six coming in, and his

37:34

career ends up at o n seventeen -- Mhmm. -- before he

37:37

finally calls it a day. 0N70N7

37:40

What made it? until two on

37:43

I mean, if you go past ten, I don't know.

37:45

I don't know what to tell you at that

37:47

point. If you fight ten fights and

37:49

lose them all, you

37:52

quit. You're not a boxer anymore. Right? It's over. I

37:54

mean, really, the point of boxing is that

37:56

you're good at this. And if you've

38:00

met seventeen people in a row that are better than you.

38:02

I could go oh in seventeen.

38:06

You know, I could

38:08

do that. No problem. I'll bet I could go one in

38:10

sixteen. I bet I could. You just never know

38:12

you throw a couple of haymakers. You might

38:14

who knows if you get lucky?

38:17

o and seventeen is disgraceful. That's terrible. catch

38:19

a guy sleeping. Yeah. Who

38:22

knows? So TK0

38:24

and seven. for

38:26

Hector, seven and o. Next

38:28

up, June twenty fifth nineteen eighty one,

38:30

Madison Square Garden, the main room baby,

38:32

not even a side room here. He fights

38:35

Marshall, Santiago, who's four in ten.

38:37

This goes all eight rounds, unanimous

38:39

decision for Hector. July

38:42

twenty fourth eighty one, Felt Forum, Jesus Figueroa,

38:44

three six and two, knockout in the

38:46

first round. Yeah. I don't know. You've seen

38:49

how this goes. So here's some more stuff from Randy

38:51

Gordon here. He says, quote,

38:54

after telling me what he planned to do on

38:58

Mullins, who is the next guy he's fighting.

39:00

He says Camacho completely

39:02

changed directions in his conversation.

39:05

quote, how do you think you're gonna die, Randy?

39:07

He asked, what? They're just talking about

39:09

a boxing Macho, and then he comes

39:11

up with this. quote,

39:14

I looked up from my editing, and

39:16

Camacho said, how are you gonna die? Did you

39:18

ever think of that? He asked, I was thirty

39:20

three. That's what he's talking about. To

39:23

be honest, Hector, the thought has

39:25

never crossed my mind. Really, he

39:28

responded. I think about that a lot. I think

39:30

about what's gonna happen at the

39:31

end. He's like eighteen

39:32

years old at this point. Why? At

39:34

what and then the writer said

39:37

at what point and what do

39:39

you come up with? Do you have

39:41

the same answer, the same ending each time? Hector said, I do.

39:43

I really do. Wanna guess how I

39:45

see myself going out?

39:48

I do. He

39:48

said not really is what the writer said. Hector said,

39:50

come on, take a guess.

39:52

I looked at him wearing a puzzled

39:54

look and sort of squinting.

39:57

Come on, he continued to take a guess. I

39:59

reached for some ridiculous answers. A

40:01

car wreck, a shook his head. A plane

40:03

crash I came back with,

40:05

again, a handshake. you're gonna die in bed

40:07

with two women. He laughed. That's a great way to go, but not how

40:09

I picture me going out. I give

40:12

up, I

40:14

told Jimmie, then he says, one more guess he requested of

40:16

me. You're gonna die in the greatest

40:18

round of action and the greatest action fight

40:20

ever I

40:22

said. That would be pretty cool, he said, but no, that's not it. That

40:24

would be pretty cool. Pretty cool

40:26

to die in the ring. A lot of boxers actually

40:28

say that, though. It'd be pretty cool to

40:31

die in the the coolest. Yeah. So then he

40:33

said, quote, how then do you see

40:36

yourself dying? Hector, tell me the suspense

40:38

is overwhelming. He

40:40

said, I see myself going out in a blaze of gunfire.

40:43

He said, he stared he stared right

40:45

at me. I stared

40:48

back. how I asked him, will it be a firing squad

40:50

somewhere? Are you gonna hold up a bank

40:52

and get taken down in a hail of SWAT team

40:54

bullets as you try to escape?

40:57

where will you be when the where will you be

40:59

when you buy the farm in a hell of

41:01

bullets? He said, I don't know. I don't see

41:03

a whole picture. I don't see any

41:05

shooters. I see me going out that way. He

41:08

said, I shook my head and used his pro he

41:10

used his prophecy to segue onto

41:12

another track. Actually,

41:14

I just realized how you're gonna go out. I

41:16

told him how. cocaine,

41:18

I said drugs because he takes

41:20

a shit out of Yeah. He said,

41:22

quote, come on, Randy, chill out. I appreciate the big brother

41:24

stuff, but I could handle this. I'm just having

41:26

some fun. Stop being a bitch,

41:30

Randy. Yeah. If you're eighteen years old and you're knocking out grown men

41:32

in fucking fights every month,

41:34

you you feel invincible at that.

41:36

cocaine, keep

41:38

kidding Jimmie. Probably do it.

41:40

Please. Yeah. Bitch, please.

41:42

I am taking mad coke is what he's

41:44

thinking. And this is eighty one too. Is

41:46

still the you know, cokes, it's

41:48

not bad. It's still innocent. Yeah. It's

41:50

still pretty innocent at that point. So

41:53

September sixteenth nineteen eighty one, Madison

41:55

Square Garden, he fights Robert Mullens, who's twenty five and

41:57

two coming into the fight here. This

41:59

ends up being TK0 in round

42:01

six, ten and o,

42:04

for mister Camacho. November fifth eighty one, he fights

42:06

Anthony Murray, who's five and one coming into

42:08

the fight. This goes all ten rounds

42:11

unanimous decision for Hector. eleven

42:13

and o, December eleven eighty one,

42:16

he's fighting for a title here. It's

42:18

a shit title, but he's

42:19

fighting for a title. It

42:21

is the North American boxing Federation

42:24

super featherweight title. And

42:26

it's the path super featherweight.

42:28

That's the shit one, the forum. It's against

42:30

against a guy named Blaine Dixon.

42:33

Yeah. That sounds like one

42:35

of the constants fried. That's

42:38

Blaine. Blaine. We need

42:39

four, Blaine,

42:40

please. Take your place in

42:42

line. You know the alto.

42:45

Fucking doucheys. So

42:48

he's fifteen and three,

42:50

Blaine. This is this goes all twelve rounds where

42:52

Hector Hector the unanimous decision and his

42:54

first belt since the Golden Globes, hey. And he He's twelve o.

42:56

February fifteenth eighty two, Richmond

42:58

Hill Arena in Richmond Hill, New

43:02

York he fights Jorge Nenia who is one in

43:04

twelve coming into the fight and

43:06

will end up three in twenty four.

43:10

Jesus. People are

43:11

just gluttonous for punishment.

43:14

It's got I guess it's an

43:16

extra couple hundred bucks every once in

43:18

a while is probably the way they're looking at it.

43:20

You know? I don't know. But I can't imagine. All

43:22

you have to do to trade though Yeah.

43:25

That's not worth it. worse.

43:28

A couple hundred bucks you you make in

43:30

a week at work. I'd rather just work a

43:32

week. Yeah. And not get punched in the

43:34

face three times. yeah, I generally

43:37

don't have to go to the hospital after every shift either. So that's helpful.

43:39

helpful. Rather helpful.

43:43

hypothetical kick in the nuts and then

43:45

actually getting punched square in the nose.

43:47

Over and over and over.

43:50

Unanimist decision in eight rounds, so Hector beat this

43:52

guy up freight rounds and then he went

43:54

back to work doing whatever he did. March thirty first eighty

43:56

two, Rafael Lopez, he's fighting

43:59

at

43:59

the felt form this time Rafael is sixteen in one.

44:02

So this is the first -- This is the real

44:04

fighter. -- good fightery spot and

44:06

match on Tko in the third

44:08

round guy.

44:10

Is that right? He brings it. Fourteen and o

44:12

for macho, May twenty first eighty

44:14

two against roof refugee

44:18

oh, huss.

44:19

Refugeo. That's we

44:22

come from a long line of refugees.

44:24

This is my son, Refugeo.

44:26

He's the red refugee. Yeah. The

44:29

red refugee. He's twenty one

44:31

and nine. The red refugee. and

44:34

he might be running for the hills after this because he's knocked down three

44:36

times in the first round, the red refugee. And

44:38

-- Yeah. -- it is ATK0

44:40

It's waved off. Yes. The three three

44:43

knocked down rule was in effect. Fifteen and

44:45

o for July

44:48

eleventh eighty two, he fights

44:50

Lewis Loy who's fifteen o and one. Uh-huh. Again,

44:52

good fighter. And macho knocks

44:54

him out, Camacho in the seventh

44:56

round, bringing him to sixteen

44:58

and o. August twenty eight

45:00

eighty two, the Sands Casino

45:02

Atlantic City. Oh, shit. I didn't

45:04

know if there was one there.

45:06

Yeah. It's Neither did I, honestly. I almost wrote Vegas. I'm like, oh, it's in

45:08

Atlantic City. This shit

45:10

all. Wow. That's he says shit

45:12

in Vegas. He's gotta be real bad

45:14

in Jersey. cool

45:16

in, like, sixty two. But, I mean, by the time the,

45:18

you know, eighty two came around, it

45:20

was a I think they were blowing

45:23

it up pretty soon. Well, smells

45:25

moist in here. Yeah. When do they blow

45:27

out up, like, late eighties? I don't know.

45:29

So early nineties or something. I just found

45:31

out there was one there. I don't know.

45:33

No. I meant in Vegas. They Oh, in Vegas. Yeah. That was

45:35

when they were early nineties. When they were when

45:38

they were really turning that place into somewhere

45:40

that rich

45:42

people Yeah. They they wanted the dumps to go away. That one

45:44

is the boardwalk and People are scared

45:46

of that one. Yeah.

45:48

The boardwalk

45:48

had a you you got circus

45:51

circus down the way that's all clowns all day

45:53

long all the time. The boardwalk just

45:56

had trash clown out front

45:58

with, like, a big lollipop that moved.

46:00

It was It's just looking like it's fuck. Trying to lure

46:02

in children. Come on in here. There's a

46:04

whole bunch of pedophiles waiting on it. I

46:06

think that clown will bring them in.

46:08

Sure. Well, horrifying

46:10

place. The circus circus is too many clouds.

46:12

It's overwhelming. Our one cloud gives them something

46:14

to focus on. It's the

46:17

circus circus the carpet. was

46:19

different than the carpet rail

46:22

around the side. You know, that one? Yeah.

46:24

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The one of the biggest

46:26

places through that. That's very popular

46:28

on the old strip. Yeah.

46:33

They had to

46:35

replace that middle. several several several times. That's

46:38

why. They were like, actually, I like the

46:40

contrast to leave

46:42

the edge. It's kinda

46:44

cool. Still clean over

46:46

there. So at the Sands, that

46:48

night he fights Johnny Seyto,

46:50

who's eighteen and eight, and knocks him out

46:52

in the fourth round. So seventeen

46:54

and o for Macho. He's coming up fast.

46:56

Yeah. Yeah. October thirtieth

46:58

eighty two, again, back at

47:00

the He fights Melvin Tank, Paul. So

47:02

this first guy with a nickname --

47:04

Yeah. -- perfect. Sixteen and

47:06

o for

47:08

Melvin. and he'll finish his career twenty two and eight. This is a

47:10

unanimous decision. Goes all ten rounds --

47:12

Yeah. -- eighteen and o for Hector. So

47:15

he's doing well. But he's also

47:18

attracting kind of

47:20

a kind

47:20

of a scumbag contingent. Yeah.

47:22

He's any kind of

47:25

low life dirt bag, drug dealer, underworld,

47:27

kinda hanger on, scumbag. He

47:30

just waves them all on and it was

47:32

entourage here.

47:34

This That likely comes around through the Coke.

47:36

That's free drugs. Yeah. Anybody with free drugs

47:38

is more than welcome. That's that's how drugs

47:42

work usually. free good drugs. Hey, come on in. We drugs.

47:45

It's universal. Dental. Where's

47:47

the Coke? Yeah. Whatever

47:50

whatever drugs you like if

47:52

someone has those drugs you're gonna be,

47:54

hey, come on, especially Coke back then

47:56

because it was expensive. Yeah. So

47:58

Randy Gordon at this about this time said this that

48:01

writer again, quote, but I cringed at

48:03

the creepyoids and low lives who

48:05

permeated every one of his training

48:07

camps. enjoyed the hangers the hangers on, and of

48:10

course, they enjoyed the free ride, the

48:12

lavish hotel suites, the late

48:14

nights, and the fast women. And

48:16

of course, They all loved the cocaine. like in

48:18

movies. It was all over the

48:20

rooms. He was just looking to trying

48:22

to a picture

48:24

of a bad time, but it sounds fucking great.

48:26

That's the thing. It's as

48:28

a twenty year old, that sounds

48:31

not lot twenty year olds. Oh, that sounds

48:34

awful. Oh my god. So wait a sec.

48:36

There's multiple women and your

48:38

friends and drugs and lavish

48:40

sweets and all No. No. That

48:42

sounds awful. No. That's the that's what

48:44

the goal of leaving the houses when you're

48:46

twenty. You hope to end up in

48:48

somebody's lavish suite with coke and

48:50

women all over the place. That's who

48:52

you're looking for. That's

48:54

best case scenario when you're twenty when you

48:56

leave the house. Especially if you're

48:58

like a boxing champion, you feel like

49:00

impervious to pain. Anybody could punch me in the face and I

49:02

won't even fall down. That's your fuck. That's

49:05

gotta feel great. And as it's more

49:07

of this room and there's puts

49:10

in and tits out everywhere. This is I'm a hit. the

49:12

tits. All the cocaine is mine. That's

49:14

what it is. All the blow. All

49:18

the tits. So November twentieth eighty two, show boat, hotel, and

49:20

casino, actually, in Vegas,

49:22

not the some

49:24

sort of weird knock off Atlantic City go

49:26

bot version. So

49:29

he fights Greg, the Candy Man Culberson.

49:32

Hey. Candy Man. Yeah. He's bringing the

49:34

sweets. Candy Man is

49:36

twenty nine

49:38

and o. So -- Wow.

49:39

-- he came, you don't wanna fuck with him.

49:40

Yeah. He will whack you with a

49:43

jolly rancher. So he turns out thirty

49:45

and two in his career. doesn't

49:48

last much longer. This goes all ten rounds unanimous

49:50

decision for Hector nineteen and

49:52

o. He's beaten the rushing

49:54

life. He's he's crushing it. February

49:57

twelve eighty three. Wonder why he feels

49:59

invincible. You know? Yeah. This is

50:02

the bunkerfield house in

50:04

Anchorage, Alaska.

50:06

Oh, my. he comes to the ring

50:08

here wearing an enormous

50:10

fur robe, floor length like a

50:12

boxing robe but made a fur.

50:15

Of course. He's trying to stay

50:18

warm. Yeah. I don't know where he got

50:20

this thing, but it's like a thirty thousand dollar

50:22

first. It's more probably more than he got paid for the

50:24

fight. I don't know where. he really

50:26

was interested in his market in

50:28

there. So he fights John

50:30

Junior Montez. No.

50:32

Junior wanted that. And

50:34

twenty two

50:34

and o for junior Montes, though. So

50:36

he is, you know, doing quite

50:38

well. This is a knockout in

50:41

the first round, though. he flies

50:43

all the way up there to fight less than three minutes.

50:45

From Harlem to Anchorage is a long

50:47

flight to fight

50:50

for two and a half minutes here.

50:52

Yeah. So that's just to Russia. It's almost there from what I understand. Yeah.

50:55

So that's twenty

50:57

and o for Hector. Hector.

50:59

you know, it's a a big that's a big deal.

51:01

That's a a milestone for a boxer.

51:04

Yeah. So Ed Brody, who

51:06

is the international is the

51:08

the direct of the international boxing hall of fame,

51:10

he said that Camacho

51:12

was bringing in a crowd at this point.

51:15

He was people were starting to notice him. This is when he was getting on all

51:17

the magazines. Yeah. He said,

51:20

quote, Camacho brought a lot of

51:22

excitement to boxing. He was bright,

51:24

colorful, and always gave

51:26

something to talk about with his walks to the

51:28

ring, with his unique style of entering,

51:30

and the costumes

51:32

he And he also said he was not only that, he was also a good

51:34

fucking boxer. Yeah. So yeah. Most

51:36

of the time, people do that. It's to

51:38

cover up for their inadequacies.

51:40

He's a good fighter and does this.

51:42

He described him as an exciting

51:44

fighter and one of the greats

51:46

he faced the best going up and down several divisions. It's about

51:49

his whole career. And he said,

51:51

if he wasn't the first, He

51:54

was one of the first that entered the ring with extravagant costumes,

51:57

feather crests, bright clothes, everything

51:59

to the rhythm of some

52:02

pop song. wrestling. He's the first guy that looked at

52:04

wrestling and went, oh,

52:06

what the fuck are

52:07

we doing?

52:08

Like, he

52:10

he started coming in like the fabulous Freebirds -- Yeah. -- or, you know, they're

52:12

kind of giving credit as the first one that

52:15

really came to the ring with

52:17

an the whole and

52:19

wrestling with with a song and a fucking -- Yeah. --

52:21

and at the end of big things and all that guys

52:23

had robes and shit, but they didn't come into free

52:25

bird with a big fucking Shicks

52:28

carrying confederate flags and

52:30

shit. So it's almost like that's just what

52:32

he's doing. He saw a lot of

52:34

boxers did that. They saw you know, wrestlers and

52:36

went, well, yeah, that's how you'd get the

52:38

box

52:38

office up. And I'm a really freaking

52:40

too. Goddamn it. That's right.

52:42

Look at me. Watch I'm gonna let

52:45

drop an Iranian anytime, man. I will do

52:47

it. So April third eighty

52:49

three, Phoenix City Plaza in

52:52

Phoenix. Is that what I was saying?

52:54

Absolutely. He fights Downtown

52:56

Civic Plaza. Downtown Civic Plaza.

52:58

Elise Cuban Perez, he finds here. Twenty

53:01

five and o. Nice. Not

53:04

bad. Goes all ten rounds

53:06

and Hector gets

53:08

the win unanimous decision twenty one and o in

53:10

August of eighty three. He went from

53:13

April to August without fighting. That's a

53:15

lot.

53:15

No. There's an explanation for

53:17

that as we'll talk about. This is

53:19

at Hiran Bittorn stadium in San

53:22

Juan. This is against

53:25

Bazooka Rafael Limón. Bazooka. He goes by. That's

53:27

his first -- He -- his first name is Bazooka.

53:30

Yeah. He goes

53:32

by or

53:33

his record is fifty,

53:36

twelve, and two. Oh, so

53:38

he's been in the game quite a while

53:40

here, but not he does not in this fight too

53:42

long, only into the fifth round as

53:43

Hector gets TKO win here over. I'm

53:45

fantastic. Twenty two in o for Hector. Now

53:48

November eighty three, that

53:50

goes on. This is at the

53:52

Callecillo Roberto Clemente.

53:54

Not bad

53:55

here. Pittsburgh?

53:57

No. Got

54:00

it. Not in Pittsburgh.

54:02

This is for the

54:03

WBC World Super featherweight title.

54:06

This is a real

54:08

fucking bell. This is a real

54:10

big deal. He's fighting Rafael Solis, who is twenty

54:12

nine and three. This is

54:13

the second of his all

54:16

Rafael trailogy

54:18

here. He fights rap Rafael Limón,

54:21

Rafael Solis, and then Rafael Williams. Three in a

54:23

row. I swear to god. I'm

54:25

not getting guys. There's different Rafael's. Yep.

54:28

Twenty nine and three Rafael is. This

54:30

is for the vacant WBC Super

54:32

featherweight. Hector knocks

54:34

them out in the fifth round, twenty three

54:36

and o, and a real belt on

54:38

top of the world. On top of

54:40

the world. God damn it. I'm

54:43

gonna say it now. know. gonna I'm give a minute. I'm gonna let it

54:45

percolate for a second. Marinate. Let it

54:47

marinate because he's

54:50

got more. this is a great

54:52

quote. He loves getting food, he

54:54

said. because he's the type of guy

54:56

who's the loved or hated guy

54:58

right away. I mean, part of the they're

55:00

loving him and then everyone else. Fucking boom.

55:02

They hate him because he's so flamboyant

55:04

and everything. And he's good. He feeds

55:06

off the negative energy. He likes the negative energy. He

55:08

says, you know, during an interview quote,

55:11

my girlfriend boos when we make love because she

55:13

knows it turns me on. which

55:16

is one of the greatest quotes

55:18

of all fucking time. Take

55:20

a vow. Bravo. Sir,

55:24

Bravo. That is amazing because she knows it turns me

55:26

on. Oh,

55:28

Hector. I laughed so loud in the

55:30

middle of the night. logging

55:33

reading that. That was wild. It's my favorite thing

55:35

ever. I I wanna see that in a porn

55:37

of some time now. I

55:40

took right. some trick

55:42

vendors or something just pop. You're

55:44

so terrible at this.

55:46

Yeah. It's really working

55:50

at now. So they say though, when he's

55:52

training, this is from an article, here's a quote,

55:54

quote, he transforms into

55:56

a hungry focused and

55:58

dedicated box that works hours

55:59

and hours polishing his speed,

56:02

his wit, and the style that turned him into the

56:04

one of the greatths of all time. That's the

56:06

only way you can explain why all those great

56:08

hitters he faced during the best moments

56:10

of his career, never been able to knock

56:12

him down. Mhmm. It's true. He

56:14

all of this flamboyance kinda makes

56:16

you think, oh, I bet he doesn't work hard.

56:18

but he knows how to work. That's the other thing. In the gym,

56:20

it's a whole other issue. He's not even none

56:22

of that bullshit going on in the gym. It's

56:25

all work, work, work, work, and

56:28

then when it's time to party, it's time to party. Yeah.

56:30

Fuck work. So May twentieth

56:32

eighty four at the Corpus

56:36

Christi, Texas. fighting Rafael Williams, whose nineteen and one,

56:38

Hector Noxam out in the seventh round,

56:40

twenty four and o.

56:42

For Hector, Hector problem

56:44

he hasn't fought. He's only fought, like, what, three times

56:46

in the last year and a half, basically.

56:48

And that that's because

56:50

he has a problem with his manager.

56:52

Well, after he won the title in eighty three, there were

56:55

some problems there because I

56:57

guess Don King, who

56:59

was the promoter, had

57:02

problems with Camacho's manager,

57:04

Billy Giles. And because of that,

57:06

he didn't get to fight a lot because though

57:08

suit couldn't work anything out to get

57:10

fights for So Giles and

57:13

he ends up dropping Giles

57:16

Camacho does and getting

57:18

more

57:18

fights going through Don King.

57:20

And he Giles went right to the media and said

57:23

that Camacho was, quote, drowning

57:25

in drugs. And he's

57:28

a loser and all that sort of thing. So Don

57:31

King, though, ends up

57:33

taking Camacho in and

57:35

his next fight, Camacho gets a five hundred thousand

57:38

dollar payday for it. So he's

57:40

pretty happy about that. That's

57:42

July nineteenth nineteen eighty five,

57:44

the Imperial Ballroom in Atlantic

57:46

City, he fights Louis

57:48

Burke, whose nickname is Sweet

57:50

Lou. Oh,

57:52

Sweet Lou. Wow. He's

57:54

nineteen and one coming in.

57:56

Lou a little Louie was a little

57:58

too sweet to come out

57:59

for the round on this one.

58:02

He's still on the corner for the fourth, and that was

58:04

that was the end of the fight. So a

58:06

little too sweet. He was over there. He needed a couple of

58:08

candy bars. That's why they call him that. get fight

58:10

without some candy. Yeah. He's a It's

58:12

a diabetes that gave him that

58:15

name. Hypoglycemic kind of a guy. They gotta

58:17

give him, like, a little Hershey's bar

58:19

or something. in between around just to get them going.

58:21

They keep a keep a couple orange juice over

58:23

there for him. So

58:26

twenty five and o for

58:28

Hector, April

58:29

twenty ninth eighty five,

58:31

Memorial auditorium in Buffalo,

58:33

New York. He fights

58:35

he fights Rocky Montoya.

58:37

who's fourteen six and two, goes all

58:39

twelve rounds to title flight, and

58:42

hector wins it unanimously, twenty six

58:44

and o. here is from

58:46

a newspaper article. This is just fucking hilarious. This is like an AP article. It was

58:50

everywhere. Quote,

58:51

His style of dress

58:53

to begin with is outlandish enough to make liberty

58:55

look blue collar.

58:59

Okay. That's a lot right there.

59:02

Enough to make a german

59:04

sequence seem like a dockworker.

59:06

Yeah. Who wears giant rings

59:08

on every finger? Yeah.

59:10

Macho wears a giant

59:12

plate on a necklace that

59:14

says macho and salt ladders. It's

59:17

huge. He says he wears enough

59:19

jewelry to make mister t look like a

59:21

man who only dabbles in accessories. He

59:24

it must be great fun

59:26

to watch Camacho through a metal detector. And that

59:28

little ponytail, a kind of eighties

59:30

cow lick. It's called a rat tail.

59:32

Right. That's what he asked. It's

59:34

cow lick. How did it

59:36

It's a rat tail. That's what that

59:38

is, sir. Sir, it's a

59:40

rat. It's a trashiest

59:43

hairdo on her. he might have

59:45

been the most popular, like like, early

59:48

purveyor of the rat tag like

59:50

that. Right?

59:53

I don't know anybody else who's more famous who had a rock

59:55

to. A rock. Yes. And eighties of

59:57

Owlette, that is the

59:59

worst. It's more It's more of

1:00:01

a freaking terrible disgrace. Lauren a pompadour. That's what it

1:00:04

is. The opposite.

1:00:06

It's disgusting. cow. Cowing.

1:00:10

Cowing. Who are the kids that have the rat tail of

1:00:12

school? They were all dirty kids.

1:00:14

They're all the dirty

1:00:16

kids. Yeah. which

1:00:18

they could they got haircuts because the rest of their hair wasn't that

1:00:20

long. So it's like you can't blame this on

1:00:22

your upbringing. You chose this motherfucker.

1:00:25

Is this because, like, your dad and your brother have it too? And if you get,

1:00:27

like, a three for one deal at the barber, I don't know

1:00:30

what's happening, but every one of them

1:00:32

was the dirty shit. No. I don't

1:00:34

know. Yeah. Anybody that had Not just the dirty, the smelly kit.

1:00:36

The filthy kit. There was a

1:00:38

there was a smelly kit with a rat tail,

1:00:40

but not smelly like sad, smelly

1:00:42

like he was like,

1:00:44

I like smelling like that. I don't know. Like, showers. Like, was He

1:00:46

doesn't He wasn't sad. It was too sad. It was too sad.

1:00:48

Yeah. Exactly. Like, to repulse people.

1:00:50

because he lived in a junkyard

1:00:54

on, but his parents had a house Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:57

It's like fucking pig patty

1:00:59

lived. He just chose

1:01:01

to sleep under a Buick on

1:01:04

cinderblocks. Yeah. He had

1:01:06

just a cloud of dust that followed

1:01:08

him around. In the red.

1:01:11

guy goes on to say, the

1:01:13

macho look actually spelled out with a

1:01:15

gold chain of enough heft to bow

1:01:17

larger men than Camacho.

1:01:20

has set some people off. No question. It's a little threatening. when

1:01:23

Camacho enters the ring in

1:01:25

a leopard loincloth, doesn't

1:01:27

really mean anything by it. It's just an

1:01:30

extravagance of style. Extravance

1:01:32

really is what Camacho is all about, and

1:01:34

this doesn't just mean the Furs, the

1:01:36

Lamborghini, because it this till point he's

1:01:38

driving a Lamborghini. Yeah. He's also

1:01:40

extravagantly talented, and his

1:01:42

twenty six and o record

1:01:44

suggests that. But Camacho is a is promising to mark it

1:01:46

up real good and then go on

1:01:48

to real glory. Quote, I'm

1:01:50

growing into something I dreamed

1:01:52

he said. People

1:01:54

have already recognized me as a champion. Now they'll recognize

1:01:56

me as a macho man.

1:01:59

This

1:02:02

is awesome. That

1:02:04

is wild. Flannery, the the

1:02:06

guy had taught him to read, and at this

1:02:08

point said, here's how far he's come.

1:02:11

He leaves my apartment one day walking

1:02:13

down the stairs because he never takes

1:02:15

the elevator and shouts up to me from

1:02:17

the street. He wants to show me something.

1:02:19

He shows me a neighbor's door with the key still

1:02:21

inside it. He had just walked on

1:02:23

by it. He says to Jimmie, see

1:02:25

how I've changed. I didn't

1:02:28

even go in there and steal

1:02:30

everything. That's what this guy said. The old macho

1:02:32

man might have opened the door and looked around

1:02:34

and borrowed something. So Yeah.

1:02:36

Look at me. Hey. It's

1:02:38

still nothing. Hi. I'm pretty respectable. It's

1:02:40

the rat tail. It gives me strength.

1:02:44

So August

1:02:44

tenth eighty five, Riviera

1:02:47

Hotel and Casino, superstar

1:02:50

center in

1:02:52

Vegas. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's our arena. I'm sure. I

1:02:54

think Underplates was just leveled, but

1:02:56

it stuck a ribbing. That was the last one.

1:02:59

Yeah. That was a shit

1:03:00

halt, though. Yeah. It was a shit halt.

1:03:02

Have they not the Frontier down yet?

1:03:04

because that's another one. It's still around

1:03:06

for a long time. Yeah.

1:03:08

It was still around in the air going on. Two thousand five, it was

1:03:10

still there. I know. So, like, yeah. That

1:03:12

shit was around forever. That whole area

1:03:16

in that section of the strip near the Riviera turned into, like,

1:03:18

way upscale shit. Like, there's a little

1:03:20

of a toy. Yeah. Yeah. It's insane

1:03:23

of them. Yeah. Those are all the those were

1:03:25

the dumpiest they weren't. Yeah. They weren't

1:03:27

weren't the new casinos, and they weren't even, like,

1:03:29

the shitty ones on the old strip.

1:03:31

a carnival down there. They were just these in

1:03:34

between those those places were thirty

1:03:36

dollars a night back in, like, two

1:03:38

thousand five. they used to be

1:03:40

you could get a room for thirty dollars at those

1:03:42

places. And it was like a decent room too for

1:03:44

thirty bucks. That's what it's James for

1:03:46

a standalone of of a place compared to

1:03:48

everything else around there. And Ricky is the

1:03:50

one that had, like, the girls out front -- Yeah.

1:03:52

-- with the can can girls, the

1:03:55

leggy girls. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's how they will get

1:03:57

the fucking creep fox to come in there and

1:03:59

and throw their money away.

1:04:02

Yeah. God. I'm gonna

1:04:04

go in there. I bet

1:04:06

I bet those chicks will have sex with

1:04:08

me if I go in there. No. Probably not,

1:04:10

actually. That's what they want. I'm

1:04:13

sure they'll come to their fucking husband and kids. Someone

1:04:15

other than or no one, just not you.

1:04:17

A scumbag from fucking Cincinnati who's here

1:04:19

on business for

1:04:22

two days. They're not gonna fuck you. Who's standing on

1:04:24

the sidewalk trying to get a glimpse of

1:04:26

Virginia as they do. to

1:04:28

pick legs. douche

1:04:30

bag from Boise here from a bachelor party. They're not having

1:04:33

sex with you. So

1:04:36

this fight the undercard

1:04:38

of this fight. Hector is the

1:04:40

main event here tonight. Okay?

1:04:42

Mhmm. Undercard of this fight, is

1:04:44

Mitch Blood Green and Trevor Burbic are both on

1:04:46

this card. Is that fighting against that. Yeah.

1:04:49

Two of our that is

1:04:51

two of our of our

1:04:54

alumni, obviously. Yeah. Finding out.

1:04:56

And, yeah, they did all of

1:04:58

this. They were Burbic was

1:05:02

explaining how in the pre fight press conference, Burbic was

1:05:04

saying how in his last fight,

1:05:06

his food was dope before that

1:05:08

fight. Remember that whole thing? This is when he came

1:05:10

out with it.

1:05:12

the main event. This is against Jose

1:05:14

Luis Ramirez known as

1:05:17

El Zerto. Okay. know what that

1:05:20

means? No.

1:05:22

Left handed. Just left handed. Uh-huh. He's

1:05:24

up south bar. Just means he's left handed. but

1:05:26

it sounds cool. El Cervo with AZZRZURD0

1:05:31

It sounds like Zuaro's cousin. That's

1:05:33

not schooler than fucking Jose,

1:05:35

guess. looking at an asset.

1:05:38

El Zberto? Yeah. Sounds like

1:05:40

a person who needs an an asset.

1:05:43

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I

1:05:46

need a Zerta. Oh,

1:05:48

El Zerta, ZURD0

1:05:51

El Zerta. Ninety and five

1:05:53

is El Zerta. So -- Wow. --

1:05:55

doing well with his left hand. is a unanimous decision win for

1:05:58

Hector, though. Twenty seven and no. It's a

1:05:59

big fight like we said. It's on

1:06:02

a big big whole deal

1:06:04

here. December eighteenth nineteen

1:06:06

eighty five, Arco Arena Sacramento --

1:06:08

Hey. -- a big place. He's fighting

1:06:12

Freddie Is that right? No. That yeah. Freddie Roach, the

1:06:14

big promoter and trainer. Yeah. This

1:06:16

is a big guy. He's a

1:06:18

Freddie Roach. What's up?

1:06:20

he fought because he looks like a

1:06:22

fighter, but III don't think

1:06:24

I've I don't think I've ever heard of a fighter he

1:06:26

was in until

1:06:28

just now. You're gonna hear about it now. Goddamn it. He went

1:06:30

by the choir boy as his

1:06:32

nickname. And he did. He looked all he looked

1:06:34

like a little yeah.

1:06:36

He looked like a choir

1:06:38

boy. He's thirty nine and nine coming

1:06:40

in. Roach had up

1:06:42

at this point now, Roach has trained twenty

1:06:44

seven world champions. Holy shit. Yeah.

1:06:46

He's done pretty well. He worked a

1:06:48

bunch of shit, and then he ended up

1:06:51

in nineteen ninety one. Micky

1:06:54

Rourke was boxing during his acting

1:06:56

career and hired Freddie Roach to help him

1:06:58

train in nineteen

1:07:00

ninety five. Micky Roark

1:07:02

gave all his gym equipment to Freddie Roach

1:07:04

because he quit boxing. So he's got

1:07:06

all of Mickey Roark's gym equipment, which is a

1:07:08

weird thing. He worked

1:07:10

he's done everything, this guy, Christ.

1:07:12

He's been everything from a

1:07:14

huge boxing to also UFC

1:07:17

people. He trained Andrey

1:07:20

Arlowski. He trained

1:07:22

Theodore Millianko. No kidding. Yeah.

1:07:24

He's trained all sorts of people, so

1:07:26

he's really done a lot in anything fighting

1:07:30

related. But Hector beats him with

1:07:32

the unanimous decision in ten rounds.

1:07:34

Mhmm. So this

1:07:34

is twenty eight and l for

1:07:36

Hector.

1:07:37

And he said

1:07:40

afterward, Camacho made fifty grand

1:07:42

from this fight. Wasn't a big

1:07:44

fight. Mhmm. So

1:07:46

he told the promoter to hold his

1:07:48

fifty thousand dollar purse

1:07:50

form. Oh. He said, quote, I don't

1:07:52

need it

1:07:54

now. when I do, I'll call you and ask for it. And

1:07:56

you just hold on and then he

1:07:57

called them a year later and say, hey, can I

1:07:59

get that fifty

1:07:59

grand? Like,

1:08:03

I'll blow it on Coke and Gold James

1:08:05

tonight. Like, it's tonight. You know, I'll buy

1:08:07

three of those kicking girls outside the Riviera.

1:08:09

If you have enough money, they'll they'll they'll

1:08:11

for sale. Trust me. But if

1:08:13

if somebody asks if somebody asks you to hold money, are

1:08:15

are you fifty

1:08:18

i mean grand? I mean, the promoter. I mean,

1:08:21

he's always got people paying out of my house. There might there might

1:08:23

be a little less than a year.

1:08:26

I maybe I don't know. I mean, why not? You gotta you wanna work with

1:08:28

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thirteenth nineteen eighty six. This is

1:11:10

Madison Square Garden. Now the original

1:11:12

fight poster for this,

1:11:14

it's against Edwin Rosario. And this

1:11:17

this undercard

1:11:18

has Julio Cesar

1:11:20

Chavez and Mike Tyson on

1:11:23

it. What the fuck? both

1:11:25

of not fighting each other obviously. That would be a that would be

1:11:27

a bloodbath. It's a seventy pound weight difference. But in different fights --

1:11:29

Yeah. -- that would be

1:11:31

terrible for Julio. Mike

1:11:35

might still be washing that man out of his air. Oh

1:11:37

my god. Somebody in the front row would have

1:11:39

been wearing Julio's blood

1:11:42

all over their clothes. brain matter everywhere. That might be why

1:11:44

Mike shaved his head because he

1:11:46

couldn't get all that out. He

1:11:50

does totally. one of the big fight promoters from

1:11:52

back then said, so there was a moment

1:11:54

when he owned the sport. I I

1:11:56

don't wanna I don't want that to

1:11:58

be forgotten. about macho camacho. This

1:11:59

was, you know, he was on top of

1:12:02

the fucking world at this point. He fights

1:12:04

Edwin Chappo, Rosario,

1:12:06

twenty eight and one, it's a split

1:12:09

decision win bringing him to twenty

1:12:10

nine and one. So or twenty nine and no. I'm sorry. Four

1:12:13

four Hector

1:12:15

or Hector wins. twenty nine and now.

1:12:18

September twenty sixth eighty six, he is in Miami Beach. He fights cornelious

1:12:24

Boza Edwards who ends up being a matchmaker later

1:12:26

on as well. Okay. The right this point, he's forty four and five, so he's not a bad fighter

1:12:28

either. This goes all twelve

1:12:30

rounds. Hector wins it for his

1:12:33

thirtieth win. Thirty and o for

1:12:35

Victor. Yep. At this point, he decides to surrender

1:12:37

the lightweight title because he's having trouble keeping his

1:12:40

weight down. k.

1:12:43

He it's a a lot of times this happens as the guys get a little older, they

1:12:45

go up just because you get naturally a little bit

1:12:47

bigger. Mhmm. And

1:12:50

it's it becomes prohibitive to keep your weight down. You don't have

1:12:52

the stamina you need and all that kind of

1:12:54

shit. So he moves up to junior ultra

1:12:57

Hector and may second

1:12:59

eighty seven convention center Atlantic City fights

1:13:01

Howard Davis junior on

1:13:04

junior violence. Here

1:13:06

it

1:13:06

comes. This guy's twenty nine

1:13:09

and three. unanimous decision,

1:13:11

ten rounds, the

1:13:13

win for Hector. So

1:13:15

he ends up now doing a

1:13:18

he goes into this

1:13:20

isolated section

1:13:21

he's in Florida he moves into the, like,

1:13:23

the woods in Florida. And the sun

1:13:26

the sun that's northern Florida,

1:13:28

he finds a woods section

1:13:30

where with some solid ground. some solid

1:13:32

ground. There'll be rocks in the soil. Yeah. A

1:13:35

couple of rocks on the stand on. A

1:13:39

boulder. and his older or his younger brother Felix who's twenty one at the

1:13:41

time also living and training with him as well.

1:13:43

Nice. He's getting into

1:13:47

it. So macho's as he puts it

1:13:49

starting to chill out a little bit. A reporter

1:13:51

notes that sitting his den

1:13:56

on bookshelves are now some health self self help

1:13:58

tapes on the buildup of self image and

1:14:00

cassettes that teach you how to

1:14:02

control your anger. So -- Okay.

1:14:05

He's he's trying to better himself

1:14:07

now, saying he be He's He's macho camacho.

1:14:10

He's Macho some philosophy.

1:14:14

I think he

1:14:14

should be good from here on out

1:14:17

probably. But right

1:14:17

after that whole article on

1:14:20

February fourth nineteen eighty

1:14:22

eight, he is arrested. for some wild shit. He's

1:14:24

arrested. This is on cocaine

1:14:26

and assault charges at once.

1:14:28

Possession We're

1:14:32

while punching. Well, more than that, he

1:14:34

allegedly pulled a gun on a child who made an obscene gesture at Hector's

1:14:39

friend. What the

1:14:40

fuck are you doing? A kid flipped him off,

1:14:42

and we got We got a finger. He

1:14:45

was driving his

1:14:47

car. That's it. unidentified boy

1:14:49

filed a an assault charge against him after a fight.

1:14:51

It was at school. It was

1:14:53

outside a fucking school at Lewiston

1:14:56

High School. So

1:14:59

a kid that was outside of a school, he's driving by. The kid

1:15:01

flips him off and hector gets out and

1:15:03

beats him up and pulls

1:15:05

a gun on him. So The one of the guys said,

1:15:08

quote, from my understanding, one boy threw

1:15:10

the bird at the other one. Hector

1:15:12

thought he was doing it to him. They

1:15:14

got into an all circation, and Hector pulled a gun on threatened to

1:15:17

kill him. Well, excellent.

1:15:19

A child. I was gonna say,

1:15:21

maybe he didn't know he was

1:15:23

a child, but He was outside the school with

1:15:25

a fucking bookbag on. No excuses for pulling your God at that point. Right?

1:15:27

I mean, we used to do that from the

1:15:29

chain link. You know, I mean, that's what you

1:15:32

did. Yeah. because

1:15:34

it's a You pull them off

1:15:36

and you run. You just hope Macho k macho

1:15:38

doesn't get out with his fucking wearing peacock

1:15:41

feathers chasing it down with a

1:15:43

glock needs a child. He's

1:15:45

he's fighters can't

1:15:48

beat him. So

1:15:51

after they arrest him, they take him

1:15:53

into book him at the police

1:15:55

station. And he's in in, like,

1:15:57

the little room, you know, little

1:15:59

room And a cop he's on video the whole time in there.

1:16:02

They have cameras even at this point in the mid

1:16:04

eighties. So there's a cop watching him

1:16:06

the whole time on this on this

1:16:08

monitor. and

1:16:10

they watch him remove a small plastic bag from his wallet and tuck it into his underwear.

1:16:16

So they go in. They go. Yeah. What'd you go put

1:16:18

in your underwear? He's like, what are you talking about? They're like, what'd you

1:16:22

put in your underwear? and

1:16:24

it's a bag containing cocaine. And he's charged with

1:16:26

possession of a controlled substance as well as assaulting a child with

1:16:31

a fucking handgun. that's amazing. I'm surprised

1:16:33

they didn't find that one. They fucking arrested him. No. I think they I don't

1:16:35

even I

1:16:38

don't think they processed If he's still at his wallet they haven't searched

1:16:40

him. They searched him for weapons, anything

1:16:43

big. Yeah. And then they took him

1:16:45

in and and that this

1:16:47

is when they go. search through all of his shit,

1:16:49

and he would have if he was going to jail, he would have

1:16:51

got arrested for smuggling contraband at that point. So he they

1:16:53

said that he did not have

1:16:56

a permit carry

1:16:58

a weapon. Mhmm. But he wasn't all he wasn't charged with weapons violations because they said all included

1:17:01

in the aggravated

1:17:04

assault charge. Right.

1:17:06

It's all in there they said.

1:17:08

He I guess this

1:17:10

is sixty miles west of west

1:17:12

Palm Beach. That's where he's hanging

1:17:15

out now. response to this macho,

1:17:17

why are you

1:17:19

doing? He said that number

1:17:22

one, none of this is

1:17:24

true. All bullshit. It's all

1:17:26

a lie. Not just a lie though, a quote, a big misunderstanding.

1:17:29

Just a

1:17:32

big misunderstanding. I was pointing a gun

1:17:34

at somebody else, and I found that cocaine. Someone must have put it in the in

1:17:36

the room. He was

1:17:38

pointing the bird at someone

1:17:41

else. I was pointing my gun at someone

1:17:43

else. Do you know how it is? Yeah. Yeah. He said that the this is crazy.

1:17:45

It's not stupid. He

1:17:48

said, quote, He

1:17:50

said, I didn't threaten to kill him.

1:17:52

He said, quote, it wasn't I'm gonna kill you. And

1:17:54

he said he was standing

1:17:55

beside a gold his big belts

1:17:58

he had with him and he said, quote,

1:17:59

I'm a nice tiger. A nice tiger.

1:18:01

He pointed a gun at him

1:18:04

because it wasn't like I'm gonna kill you

1:18:06

type point a gun at somebody. It was just like, hey,

1:18:08

what's up, dude? I'm pointing my gun at

1:18:10

you for shits and giggles kind of --

1:18:12

Right. -- I'm gonna kill you. different kind of

1:18:14

I'm gonna kill you. Sometimes tigers show their teeth. They're still they can still be nice. still nice, but

1:18:17

they yawn, they show

1:18:19

their teeth. Yeah.

1:18:22

Now

1:18:22

Camacho's lawyer, Jim Jimmie

1:18:25

or Levien, he says the whole

1:18:27

thing is a lot of nonsense.

1:18:29

He's in a small town and

1:18:31

he's a target. Well, you made a

1:18:33

child a target of your gun. That's the problem. Anybody driving by his school is

1:18:35

a target. He should

1:18:39

probably understand that. that children might

1:18:41

be dicks and cut you off. Yeah. They treat each other worse. Don't ever

1:18:43

ride behind eight year old

1:18:46

Jimmy in the back of a

1:18:49

wagon that's pointing the the back seat faces back. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:18:51

I flipped off every driver that was behind us. Every

1:18:53

school bus ride

1:18:56

-- Yes. as children. All we did

1:18:58

was slip people off and make fucking blow job faces at

1:19:00

him. This isn't, like,

1:19:03

fifth grade, though. Right. Yeah.

1:19:06

Then sits ahead. So Camacho

1:19:08

said that things are just blown

1:19:11

out of proportion. He's pissed

1:19:13

off He said that he merely argued with the youth at

1:19:15

his car window then left. He didn't This is all crazy. He said

1:19:17

there was no gun and there

1:19:19

was no threats. he

1:19:22

said that the kid and some of his friends

1:19:24

from his oh, no.

1:19:26

He, Camacho, and some of

1:19:28

his friends were just cruising around

1:19:30

in his friends in his friend rolls royce at the

1:19:33

time. You know how you do? You

1:19:35

just cruise around small towns and rolls royce is

1:19:37

like, we always do that. You know? You drive around

1:19:39

in a Rolls Royce. you're gonna catch

1:19:41

a a few stray birds. You know, and you should expect that. And you should wave back

1:19:43

at them and go, Hector, my

1:19:46

life is fabulous enough you

1:19:48

should get me the finger. Fuck it. My

1:19:51

life is certainly veteran yours kids stay in school. Man, even though I didn't go

1:19:53

to school and I didn't read till I

1:19:55

was fifteen, but that's irrelevant. Camacho

1:19:59

then that says, quote, I'm having a

1:20:01

good laugh now. He's charged with aggravated assault of

1:20:03

a child. I don't know what's what's

1:20:05

funny about that. and passed the

1:20:08

cookies in the eighties. So

1:20:10

Camacho said he contacted the

1:20:12

youth who pressed the charges

1:20:14

don't think that's allowed. Number one, I don't think it's supposed

1:20:16

to contact victims of yours that

1:20:18

have already pressed charges against you. I

1:20:20

think that's -- Right. -- part of it.

1:20:22

That's illegal. Yeah. And he said that they both agreed

1:20:25

it was blown out of proportion. How do

1:20:27

you think they came to

1:20:30

that agreement? with a couple of bucks maybe. I come

1:20:32

to that quick agreement. Sure. Sure.

1:20:34

So I'm sure Hector

1:20:37

suggested it first.

1:20:40

You know, Hector

1:20:40

then says they just don't

1:20:42

appreciate me here. Well, there's very few jurisdictions

1:20:43

that appreciate when you pull

1:20:46

guns on their children around there.

1:20:49

at the school, no less. Alright. Makes worse even. as

1:20:51

the drug charges

1:20:56

go, He he didn't deny

1:20:58

that police found drugs on him, but he also didn't admit to taking drugs. His

1:21:00

response to all of

1:21:03

this was, quote, I'm against

1:21:06

drugs. I'm dot dot dot

1:21:08

against drugs. I've gotta keep

1:21:11

training. I'm history in the making.

1:21:13

If I was hooked on drugs, I'd

1:21:15

be selling my TV. No. If you make

1:21:17

enough money, you can do drugs. That's the thing is he's he's acting

1:21:19

like no matter

1:21:22

who you are, If you do drugs, you'll sell everything you have. Not if you

1:21:24

make a shitload of money. That's what's that's

1:21:27

why famous people did drugs a

1:21:29

lot because they could. can still have nice things. If

1:21:32

you've got money and you can afford to buy drugs,

1:21:34

you don't have a drug problem. That's all. It's a

1:21:37

Sam Ginnison joke. by a thirteen thousand dollars

1:21:39

to go to the Betty Ford Center. If you have

1:21:41

thirteen thousand dollars, you don't have a fucking cocaine problem. Okay?

1:21:43

Yeah. That's the joke. So

1:21:48

July twenty fifth eighty eight, Tropicana hotel

1:21:50

and casino Atlantic City, not the

1:21:52

one vacant. Okay. So this is

1:21:54

against Reyes Antonio Cruz, whose thirty seven two in one unanimous

1:21:57

decision win for Camacho

1:21:59

in ten rounds thirty

1:22:02

two and o, October twenty second eighty eight

1:22:04

down in Puerto Rico, he fights Rick

1:22:07

South, which is sourced without

1:22:10

the r. fourteen and 1TK0 in

1:22:12

the fourth round for Hector, thirty three

1:22:14

and o, it's the he

1:22:16

ends up pleading no no contest

1:22:20

to possession of cocaine here. That's what he's gotta do.

1:22:22

Okay. The whole thing with the kid gets dropped

1:22:24

because the kid decides they've come to

1:22:26

an understanding. but both agree it

1:22:28

was crazy. Yeah. He ends

1:22:30

up. He agrees to random

1:22:33

drug screenings to avoid

1:22:35

probation or prison time. You

1:22:37

told me the police didn't think that

1:22:39

was blown out of proportion him changing cocaine from

1:22:41

his wallet to his underwear. That's To do

1:22:44

it on on

1:22:46

camera in the fucking room there is the funny

1:22:48

part. Like, dude. How fucking how dumber

1:22:51

you? I don't care that you have drugs.

1:22:53

Just don't be an idiot and take them

1:22:55

out then. Fuck, man. March

1:22:56

six eighty nine, the Lalor

1:22:58

event center in lovely Reno --

1:23:00

Yeah. -- Nevada. Oh, boy.

1:23:03

The Garden Center here. This

1:23:05

is for the vacant WBO super lightweight title. Mhmm. He

1:23:07

fights Rey, boom boom Mancini. Oh.

1:23:12

So Macho and Boom

1:23:14

boom Mancini is a big fight back then. It really is. He's been in the orbit

1:23:17

of so many

1:23:19

fucking amazing people.

1:23:23

And

1:23:23

he he goes from one era of these people

1:23:25

to the next. Like, he'll fight all these guys,

1:23:27

and then he'll also fight

1:23:30

Trinidad, Delahoya, all those guys. Right. It's fucking crazy. So

1:23:32

boom boom is about done here though. He's about

1:23:34

he's all boomed out at this point. He

1:23:37

is He's more

1:23:39

just boomed than He's more yeah.

1:23:41

He's twenty nine and three. Mhmm. And he'll finish his career at twenty nine

1:23:43

and five. He

1:23:47

loses the loses the last three fights of his career

1:23:49

and then quits. Loses three in a row and he's like, I'm not gonna embarrass myself

1:23:51

any further. That

1:23:54

in is a box saying household name, any old Twenty nine and

1:23:57

thirty four fights. Twenty nine and

1:23:59

five. Why? His his fucking

1:24:01

nickname is boom boom.

1:24:03

This is how Borton a nickname is

1:24:06

-- Yeah. -- boom boom, macho. These are the people you remember. Their names are fucking

1:24:08

legendary because of

1:24:11

these goddamn nicknames. It's

1:24:13

wild, man. Macho green. That's a great nickname. Sure. Yeah. So this split

1:24:15

decision win. So boom boom almost doesn't

1:24:18

have to retire here. But

1:24:23

he loses thirty four and o now. He's

1:24:25

beaten boom. He's basically retired boom boom.

1:24:27

He's gonna fight like one

1:24:29

more fight. This is good shit. Thirty four and

1:24:32

o. On top of the world,

1:24:34

he can pull guns on kids

1:24:36

with no discrimination. None

1:24:38

at all. He's on top of the world. Grace.

1:24:40

This is Grace. Yeah. This

1:24:42

is Grace. Right here? Man, So

1:24:46

next up, July seventeenth eighty

1:24:48

nine. This is Trump Plaza

1:24:51

at Atlantic City. He fights

1:24:53

Tommy Hanks. Who's just he's

1:24:55

just doing an undercover thing for

1:24:58

a role in a boxing movie.

1:25:00

He's playing. I'm sure. That's all

1:25:02

it is. Tommy Hanks. But I should be in that concert.

1:25:04

You gotta go by

1:25:06

Thomas. Right? because it

1:25:09

sounds the least like it. You gotta

1:25:11

run with What's your middle name? What's your middle

1:25:13

name? Pete. Great. Thanks. Hi,

1:25:16

Pete. Yeah. Don't

1:25:19

go by Tommy. Although if you wanna

1:25:22

make restaurant reservations, always go by Tom Max. Just listen.

1:25:25

Always go with

1:25:28

Tom Max. So he's eighteen and three

1:25:30

Tommy Hanks. He's been fighting for a while. Not exactly an award winner, but he's fighting

1:25:32

up. you've

1:25:35

had this decision in ten rounds, all ten, thirty five and

1:25:38

o for Hector. Jesus Christ. November

1:25:40

fourth eighty nine in Atlantic

1:25:42

City, he's fighting Raul Torres who's

1:25:46

ten, three, and two. Mhmm. And this also goes all ten. Wow. So thirty thirty six and now

1:25:48

I think he took

1:25:50

Raul a little lightly, possibly.

1:25:54

December first eighty nine, he has

1:25:56

another son. Really? With

1:25:58

yep. With a woman

1:25:59

named Amy Torres who will

1:26:02

suffer along for about the next decade

1:26:04

or so while he just does

1:26:06

awful things. This is really when

1:26:08

macho comes into his own as

1:26:10

a criminal here in this era. and this

1:26:12

poor woman is along for the ride for almost

1:26:14

all of it, holy shit. So they have a son named Justin here. have

1:26:17

a son named just in here February

1:26:19

third nineteen ninety, a convention hall in

1:26:21

Atlantic City, he fights. Vinny Pazie Enza.

1:26:24

Holy shit. It's like

1:26:26

a fucking reunion show. That's

1:26:28

great. It's like a reunion show.

1:26:30

Like, all of this past crime and sports people are coming back to us here. Tyson Burvic,

1:26:33

Mitch Green,

1:26:36

Pazie Enza, Holy fuck.

1:26:38

Vinny Paz. Absolutely. Vinny Paz, Vinny Paz's maz in the corner screaming at him.

1:26:41

Oh, she

1:26:44

was there for sure. He's

1:26:46

not that macho. Twenty eight and three, Vinny, is coming into this fight.

1:26:48

The unanimous decision in

1:26:51

twelve rounds for Hector Yeah.

1:26:54

Hector just he's a better boxer. He's

1:26:56

just out class. He was so

1:26:58

good. He was so good. That's the

1:27:01

the flash of it made honestly, in the end,

1:27:03

like, it made him more famous, but it actually makes

1:27:05

people think he wasn't as good of a

1:27:07

boxer as he was. Really?

1:27:09

It really does he has more of

1:27:11

a reputation for his crazy haircuts

1:27:13

and his crazy outfits than he

1:27:16

does for his boxing. and

1:27:18

then you go, oh, yeah. This motherfucker is thirty seven and o. Right. Right. Like and all

1:27:21

the all

1:27:24

comers. It's crazy. Right. As

1:27:26

a professional, he's undefeated against good fighters. Yeah. He's no one's

1:27:29

knocking him

1:27:32

down. He's damn good

1:27:32

for yeah. He's not dodging anybody. This is

1:27:34

who's available in nineteen ninety in this weight class. That's it. So

1:27:38

he's thirty seven and o. August eleventh nineteen ninety Caesars Tahoe.

1:27:41

Don't get to excited.

1:27:42

That sounds dumb,

1:27:46

actually. It might be better. Yeah. It might it's less hot up there. Yeah. It

1:27:49

might be nice. Yeah. Nice on the

1:27:51

wintertime scenery. Yeah. There's a little some

1:27:53

mountains. There's a lot of mountains

1:27:55

in Vegas too. So he here

1:27:58

he's fighting Tony the Tiger Baltazar. Yeah. He did it. Tony the Tiger. Thirty

1:28:00

five. Yeah. Tony the

1:28:02

Tiger. Yeah. He did it.

1:28:06

He's like, fuck it. Could anyone else think of anything? No.

1:28:08

Well, I never gotta go as a tiger.

1:28:10

I don't know. The fight's tomorrow. Macho

1:28:13

do you want for me? But it gets a lot of press. Let's run

1:28:15

it. Come on. It works for people. Boom. Boom. The

1:28:18

guy's not even that good.

1:28:21

You fucking break. So by the way, he's boom boom is also very

1:28:23

very famous because he is

1:28:28

Italian. And at this point, there's not

1:28:30

a lot of Italian fighters and the Italian fighters that are there. really rally

1:28:32

around our need to rock to

1:28:34

show. Yeah. We we that's

1:28:38

We need a hero a lot, and we don't get a

1:28:40

lot in sports. We really don't. all of

1:28:42

our guys are either, like, there's some in

1:28:44

baseball, but they're all catchers or managers.

1:28:47

You know what I mean? There's not. Since

1:28:49

DiMaggio, we've really been we've we've been empty.

1:28:51

There's a few football players, but most

1:28:53

of them are -- Yeah. --

1:28:55

alignment. Not really. a

1:28:58

couple alignment that's about it. Football's on

1:29:00

a real big Italian sporty. We

1:29:02

don't have any sausage soccer. No.

1:29:05

Yeah. We we're we're boxing

1:29:07

trainers tons all the trainers back then were Italian. They were trainers, were catchers,

1:29:09

and managers, and things like that. But that,

1:29:11

you know, athletically, they A

1:29:14

lot of them are five, six and just, you know, not really

1:29:17

Not a lot of them are wearing the

1:29:19

c for captain. No. It's

1:29:21

a different deal. Well, they might be a

1:29:23

catcher You know what I mean? But they're they're not gonna be the best player on the

1:29:25

team. They're just gonna have a good strategy of how

1:29:27

to fuck the other team over. We're

1:29:30

good at that. That's how they become

1:29:32

managers. That works. So I think that's

1:29:34

what it is though. Yeah. They get you know, we we

1:29:36

had nothing so

1:29:39

much that we set fuck

1:29:41

it. Ralph Macho and Rocky. Those are our he's not even

1:29:43

it's movies. And we're still, like, those are our athletic

1:29:45

heroes. We don't care. Ralph machio

1:29:47

and a guy that Macho

1:29:51

can't understand. Who care? Who cares?

1:29:53

A child and a man

1:29:55

with obvious brain damage? Our

1:29:57

heroes. We don't give a

1:29:59

shit. Ralph Machio. He kicked that guy in

1:30:01

the face, man. Good for

1:30:03

Ralph machio for having maybe the

1:30:05

ugliest first name in the history

1:30:07

of first names. and

1:30:09

being the least sexy man on the planet yet was still fucking

1:30:11

very well paid. Elizabeth

1:30:14

Shoe humping all over

1:30:16

him. That

1:30:18

was Elizabeth Shoe. Right? The first one?

1:30:20

Shoe was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:30:22

That's what I thought. That's

1:30:24

perfect. Yeah. Give him the time

1:30:27

of day. It wasn't a cruel summer for him that

1:30:29

summer. He was doing just fine. That

1:30:31

summer ever. That summer

1:30:33

ever. I'm gonna run this summer two more

1:30:35

times. Goddamn it. Well, they cast

1:30:38

a woman in this

1:30:40

role. Jesus, it's gonna be all

1:30:41

over. Then Hillary swankle take over, and that's

1:30:43

the end of it. So he's

1:30:45

thirty eight and

1:30:46

o after this fight. Thirty eight and o. Next up, February third nineteen

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ninety one, Caesars Palace,

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Las Vegas. The big time

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versus Greg Haugen is a tough fighter. Twenty

1:30:57

seven and three. Yeah. Now

1:30:59

this is a weird fight. It

1:31:01

goes all twelve rounds. Uh-huh. It ends

1:31:03

up being a split decision. And at

1:31:05

one point, the referee deducted in the twelfth round mind you. The referee

1:31:08

deducted a point

1:31:10

from Camacho because he

1:31:12

refused to touch gloves with Hagon at

1:31:14

the beginning of the round. That's ridiculous. Dude, you can punch a guy in the balls three

1:31:16

times before they'll fucking deduct a point.

1:31:18

No. Well, first in an accident,

1:31:22

second times of fucking warnings they have to warn you first. Next

1:31:25

time is a fucking He didn't touch

1:31:27

gloves with him, which has no

1:31:29

impact on the fight whatsoever. No. Got a got

1:31:31

a point deducted and ends up Camacho

1:31:34

ends up losing a split decision

1:31:37

in the end. split decision. So that point

1:31:39

could have, you know, made a big difference. Yeah.

1:31:41

And, you know And the at this

1:31:44

time, what year

1:31:46

was this? Eighty nine? This is ninety one. Ninety one. That there

1:31:48

was a time around that, but

1:31:50

Sportsmanship was being fucking touted

1:31:54

in every sport. Like, they they wanted they wanted, like, respect

1:31:56

and sport for each other. You know what I

1:31:58

mean? Yeah. It's not a big comment, man.

1:32:00

Who gives a shit? Yeah. Exactly.

1:32:02

Well, it's not gonna be more. Yeah.

1:32:04

And back in the day, people didn't all fucking have been worn

1:32:06

all sports money either. Tycob used to jump up and kick people in

1:32:08

the balls with his spikes being sliding

1:32:10

into things. What a what a sportsman.

1:32:14

nice leisurely game, isn't it just a -- Yeah. -- easy stroll.

1:32:21

After the fight though, they do all

1:32:23

the, you know, they drug test all the fighters

1:32:25

after the fight, and an unidentified substance was found in

1:32:27

Houghton's urine. Oh, The

1:32:30

the record stayed the same of Hagon

1:32:33

with the win, but a rematch is honored.

1:32:35

They have to fight again. And it's right

1:32:37

away too. It's in May of ninety

1:32:39

one, couple months later. at the Reno

1:32:41

Sparks Convention Center, not quite Caesar's Palace, but, you know, Greg

1:32:44

Hauken again. this

1:32:47

time goes the distance again, split decision again, but

1:32:50

Camacho wins at this time.

1:32:52

So thirty nine

1:32:55

in one for Hector, For

1:32:57

some reason, this Amy Torres marries

1:32:59

him in nineteen ninety one. I don't know why, but

1:33:03

she does. Yeah. I guess she

1:33:05

loves them. They have kids. I

1:33:07

don't know. But here it's gonna get

1:33:09

crazy now. October fourteenth nineteen ninety one,

1:33:12

Hector's arrested. This is

1:33:14

this is pretty wild. Okay. He's driving a Ferrari. Yeah.

1:33:16

A black nineteen eighty

1:33:19

eight Ferrari. Why not? So

1:33:22

it's hot shit. Okay? Yeah. It's on

1:33:24

interstate seventy five in in

1:33:27

Florida. He's driving. He

1:33:29

has stopped for driving too

1:33:31

slowly. What? In a He's doing a testarosa? He's driving thirty

1:33:34

five miles an hour

1:33:36

on interstate

1:33:39

seventy five. Some cars you gotta go slow and people see you. Some of them

1:33:41

you gotta do it. They can hear it if

1:33:43

you rev it up.

1:33:46

You don't even need to be You could be within a half mile of it go

1:33:48

and go and put it neutral and hit it

1:33:50

twice. Everyone will head and will snap, I promise.

1:33:55

Thirty five I'm good. Thirty five on the well,

1:33:57

you're you're thinking he's just showing off, and he's

1:33:59

just having, like, kind of

1:34:02

a peacocking moment. Oh, no. No. The reason when they pull him they

1:34:04

figure out why. It's because

1:34:06

he's currently fucking while he's

1:34:10

driving. Wow. There is a woman humping him on his

1:34:13

lap when the police officer gets

1:34:15

to the window. Wow.

1:34:17

She is at that moment still fucking

1:34:20

him from the ride. That's not

1:34:22

finished yet. That's why he was

1:34:24

going slow. Would you gotta give

1:34:26

him at least he wasn't going over. He said, all I can handle is thirty

1:34:28

five while we're fucking. I can't go seventy

1:34:30

five. We're being reckless enough here. Yeah. I

1:34:33

can't drive fifty five. Well, you

1:34:35

fuck me. I can't. Yeah. So

1:34:37

he's arrested for this. He has

1:34:39

no license suspended license.

1:34:41

He's gotten a license. He's

1:34:44

just driving Ferrari

1:34:46

while fucking with no license. I'm

1:34:48

sorry. That's too much. That's