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get into it. Let's dive into this

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with the man who loves the ocean. Here

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we go. Edward Martin

6:22

Rothmann is his name. Big

6:24

fan. Big fan. Fast Eddie is

6:26

how he goes by though. Doesn't go by Edward

6:28

Martin. Our second fast Eddie that we've

6:30

ever had. Yeah. This is

6:32

fast Eddie Rothman, our first is fast

6:34

Eddie Johnson. And that

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was kinda I was considering, and then I'll

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leave it out if anybody has any interest, you can

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hit us up about this. But I

6:43

was considering redoing Eddie

6:45

Johnson as one of the last episodes. because

6:48

Eddie Johnson was arrested about a hundred and

6:50

ten times, and we did that. We

6:52

did that in an hour. And I don't

6:54

feel like we gave it full justice. because

6:56

I I remember having the pick and choose which

6:58

arrest to talk about, and they're all insane. The

7:00

guy's crazy. He test drove a

7:02

portion just kept it. Like, shit like that.

7:04

He's insane. So that's

7:06

Eddie Johnson, the basketball player. Over a

7:08

hundred arrests, so we might have to revisit him and

7:10

just kinda do that. Oh, really

7:12

ruined another Eddie Johnson story.

7:15

That was the origins of the mistaken

7:17

identities, actually, was because it

7:19

was another another Eddie Johnson. We're like, good

7:21

god. I feel sorry for this guy.

7:24

So then we found Marty Johnson and we're like,

7:26

this is terrible. And then next thing you know, it's a segment.

7:28

So that's how

7:30

that worked. But this is fast Eddie

7:32

Rothman who sounds like a race car driver.

7:35

Definitely. Right? because from Reno nine eleven,

7:37

fast Eddie was it fast Eddie in the Clint talk?

7:39

is that I don't remember the last name.

7:41

I've seen I've been watching it

7:43

over and over and over. know. The

7:45

guy So good. Jason could never get, and

7:47

it's basically lightning McQueen. away.

7:49

They're doing it. So, anyway, fast

7:51

study Rothman. He is

7:53

born in nineteen forty nine.

7:55

Oh, shit. Okay. He's still alive now. We'll

7:58

talk about yeah. It's a spoiler alert.

8:00

He doesn't drown in a surfing accident or

8:02

anything like that. No sharks.

8:05

No. No. Yeah. They didn't get, like, caught in

8:07

a reef and eaten by a shark or anything like

8:09

that, which is how you expect most surfers

8:11

to die. You figure Or

8:13

in shocks, there are not more Bethany Hamilton.

8:15

You know what I mean? Like, how

8:18

does it if you're always in the water, I guess

8:20

though if you're a surfer and you're always in the

8:22

water, you probably also know signs

8:24

of when the fuck to get out of the water.

8:26

Yeah. It's right when you piss -- Yeah. -- or

8:28

you're bleeding. anything. You get things of

8:30

that nature, whereas I think people who just go

8:32

in the water and are tourists might not understand

8:34

when there's a shark right by them. There's

8:36

a surfer I feel like might have more of

8:38

a sense of the water and where things are.

8:40

And, you know, if you you're not in the ocean

8:43

normally, you're just like, oh, god. Good. I'm not drowning. You

8:45

don't know if there's You're happy with the

8:47

farm. There's a lot of drone footage of

8:49

people on the beach -- Oh, god. --

8:51

sharks swimming right right just beyond

8:53

them. But I'm sure a lot of that's

8:55

also photoshopped in bullshit, but

8:57

I'm sure there's at least one or two that are real

8:59

I'm sure it stems from some reality. probably,

9:01

hopefully. I don't know. Mostly the

9:03

fucking fear of it. Yeah.

9:06

Like, it could be there. That's the thing. whether

9:08

it's gonna air a lot. There are sharks

9:10

in the water and you are in there with them. So

9:13

at any point, that could be reality.

9:15

That's That's really

9:17

strange. And you got in. What do you

9:19

do? That'd be, like, showing, like, a guy

9:21

getting, like, getting raped in prison

9:23

or something. and maybe, like, I don't know if that's real.

9:25

Well, it could happen, though. It

9:27

really could. It's that's it's all right there.

9:29

Whether it's happening in this picture or not, it

9:31

it could happen. It's right there. Flag when

9:33

it's class out yet. It could rain any minute.

9:35

We could have been dark. If you if you

9:37

photoshopped rain and I go, well, I mean,

9:39

the clouds are there. It's possible. Makes

9:41

sense. So Fast

9:43

Eddie. Let's talk about fast Eddie

9:45

here. Let's talk about because his his

9:47

childhood so

9:49

he's from the mainland and he ends up a

9:51

Hawaiian surf legend. So He's

9:53

from America. He's from the mainland.

9:55

Yeah. Yeah. So if you're from the mainland and

9:57

end up a Hawaiian Serv Legend, you have to have

9:59

a

9:59

very strange there's no

10:01

way to come upon that in a normal way. You know

10:03

what I mean? There's just Any anybody

10:05

that's in on the mainland and has

10:07

visited Hawaii, every one of them thinks

10:10

we should just stay here. And then you go,

10:12

well, I've got a job and A401K and

10:14

the kids got school. And then you go expensive

10:16

here and milk is seven dollars a gallon

10:18

here and at it up. We can't how much

10:20

I can I don't know. It's spam. I can't stomach.

10:22

Yeah. We can't live our normal lifestyle here.

10:24

We can't we're not ready for that much

10:26

beach. We're just not ready for it.

10:28

Yeah. Let's go home. Let's go home. Yeah. That's how

10:30

it works, though. But it's just why

10:32

Nebraska's better. you're like, you know

10:34

what Omaha really has its strong points. I

10:36

didn't think about it, but let's

10:38

go to our our regular Perkins

10:40

instead. But Hawaii,

10:42

if you think in your head, if someone says

10:45

tropical paradise, you picture Hawaii

10:47

in your head. That's I mean, it's on an

10:49

island with waves and the

10:51

mountains and the things and volcanoes

10:53

and the -- Yeah. -- breeze and the palm

10:55

trees. It's ridiculous. It's

10:57

It's a silly fantasy land of

10:59

of a place. It's not real. You can't

11:01

expect you can't expect

11:04

people to Anyone who moves

11:06

there isn't moving there to,

11:08

like, get

11:10

something done. They're moving there to take a

11:12

step back You know what I mean? They're

11:14

moving there to stop getting stuff

11:16

done. Exactly. So the the whole

11:18

pace of a society like that

11:20

slows down a little bit. grants

11:22

to a halt almost. And it's the any

11:24

any island is like that too. I know like the

11:26

Caribbean. I've heard a lot of people. I know from the

11:28

Caribbean say they talk about Island time.

11:30

There's regular time. And there's Island time. And Island

11:32

time is -- Yeah. -- a a minute,

11:34

like, two and a half. It doesn't matter. It's

11:36

like, well, what are you what are you in a rush for? You know what I

11:38

mean? We're all we're all here. still beautiful

11:40

in twenty minutes, relax. And it's a

11:42

nice way. It's not bad. You know, that's I

11:45

mean, it can be frustrating if you're,

11:47

like, building something or expecting

11:49

you if if you're putting together the fire festival,

11:52

I guess, you could get frustrated like

11:54

that. But otherwise, you go,

11:56

hey, you know what? That's the pace of shit and you go

11:58

with it. You know? It

12:00

is how it is when in Rome, you know,

12:02

relax everybody. So

12:04

Eddie, though, he's from Ohio.

12:06

Okay? Yeah. Right. He's from

12:08

Ohio. his Jesus

12:10

crisis starts out with

12:12

some tragedy right off the bat here.

12:14

The last few, we've had some

12:16

strange the the the

12:18

orphan trained guy and -- Yeah. -- we've

12:20

had a lot of weird, the animal,

12:22

Barbosa, last week. This kid

12:24

here he is his when

12:26

he's five years old -- Uh-huh. -- his

12:29

parents go out one night

12:31

to get a Christmas

12:33

tree. Oh, gosh. December. And, you

12:35

know, late December. I'm

12:37

picturing just, you know, jingle bells going

12:39

and snow coming down like

12:41

Christmas story. and this is sing and song. In

12:43

nineteen fifty four, this is Christmas story. His

12:45

dad's got a fedora and an overcoat

12:47

on his mom to the front seat and

12:49

nobody's wearing clothes. No one's wearing a

12:51

seat belt. And they probably

12:54

should have been because

12:56

his parents were killed in a horrible

12:58

car accident on the way

13:00

home from getting a Christmas

13:02

tree, they even said in the

13:04

newspaper that they

13:07

specifically This is fucking this is what I mean.

13:09

People are always looking for sensationalistic

13:11

details because in the newspaper, it wasn't

13:13

bad enough that they them

13:15

the mother and father, and I

13:18

think two other people were killed in this

13:20

accident. There was another car with like four people in

13:22

the car. I think one other person from that car

13:24

was killed. So

13:26

three people are terribly

13:28

tragically killed

13:30

over a holiday season, and they

13:32

made sure to mention that the

13:34

Christmas tree was incinerated in the

13:36

in the fire in the in the

13:38

aftermath of the fire. Little

13:40

wasted thirty five bucks. Yeah.

13:42

All of that and the tree's gone.

13:44

Holy shit. That was

13:46

like, you know, the last little

13:48

poignant thing even the Christmas tree

13:50

was burned to cinders. No

13:52

no child will be retrieving presents from

13:55

underneath this tree this year. Why it was

13:57

too much? this old

13:59

man in the corner say, well, at least it's out

14:01

of its misery. It's at least they're all out

14:03

of their misery now. So

14:07

He stays with an uncle for a while.

14:09

It's his mother's brother. Okay.

14:11

Jesus. God. So, yeah, his

14:13

grandparents had already died. so they

14:15

couldn't help out. So only

14:17

child. No. No. No. He goes with an uncle. He

14:19

has a brother who's sixteen at the time,

14:21

and his brother just goes off on

14:23

his own. So -- Wow. -- he just takes

14:25

off. So, like, it's

14:27

just him now. Here he is. Wild

14:30

Ohio. to be wild in

14:32

Central Ohio here. It's like

14:34

in outside of, I wanna

14:36

say, Southwest of Cleveland was

14:38

the was the camera with the name of the

14:40

town, but Either way, they end

14:42

up his uncle for they're

14:45

together for about six months, and then his

14:47

uncle is sent to jail four

14:50

okay. Buckle up everybody here. This

14:52

is nineteen like fifty five this happened

14:54

and so this this

14:56

dog would have been long dead by now anyway.

14:58

His uncle is sent to jail

15:00

for killing a neighbor's dog. The

15:03

neighbor's dog. Well, the dog attacked

15:05

him in his defense, but

15:07

then it goes against him because the

15:09

dog attacked him because fast

15:12

Eddie's uncle punched the

15:14

dog owner, a woman in the face,

15:16

blinding her in her left eye.

15:19

Because permanently because yeah.

15:21

Blinded her, fucked up her orbital socket,

15:23

destroyed her some shit. in her eye and scratched it all

15:25

up, so she was blinded. Because her

15:27

tree was growing into his

15:29

yard. He he just

15:31

trimmed it, Nancy. So he

15:33

punched her punched a woman and

15:35

murdered the dog. And then the dog attacked him for

15:37

punching her so he murdered the dog. And

15:39

so All of

15:41

these offenses And sure this isn't a first

15:43

defense for his uncle. Let's be honest. Yeah.

15:45

If your first reaction to a tree

15:47

growing into your yard is I'm gonna punch a woman

15:49

in the face. and then

15:51

murder her dog. You

15:54

probably have some priors. I'm just gonna

15:56

watch with her one good eye as

15:58

I murder her as I murder her dog.

15:59

I would say that's you probably have a

16:02

prior to, just to, you

16:04

know Certainly have a short fuse,

16:06

Jesus. There's something a a

16:08

miss there either way. Yeah. So

16:11

Jesus Christ. So

16:13

while the uncle is in jail, by the

16:15

way, because the uncle had a girlfriend,

16:17

so he just stayed The kid back

16:19

then, they were in real keep real good track of

16:21

children. So he was just

16:23

staying with the uncle, and no one said, oh, the

16:25

uncle's gone. So, like, we gotta take this child

16:27

and put him somewhere. the uncle's girlfriend

16:29

lived in the house, so they just stayed

16:31

there. The Him and the Just got a

16:33

sitter. Him and the yeah. That's it. So it's fine.

16:35

So built in sitter. He'll be fine. So

16:37

he's just with her, they're

16:39

out one day and friends of

16:41

the woman next door burned their

16:43

house down. for

16:46

killing the dog and punching her. So

16:49

He's not even there you guys.

16:51

He's not even there. earned his house though.

16:53

So he has nowhere to come back to because he was

16:55

supposed to be getting out of jail soon. And they were

16:57

mad that he was getting out early,

16:59

and so they burned his house down. So

17:01

now he Wow. Well, now he ain't got nowhere to live.

17:03

How are you like that? Be better

17:05

off in jail now, buddy. Wouldn't

17:07

you? So Yeah.

17:09

This is a fucking pretty harrowing for

17:11

a he's five at this point. Like,

17:13

what a what a place? He's been through

17:15

a lot here. So

17:19

then Jesus Christ, this

17:21

my god. Okay. I'm still reeling from

17:23

the dog being killed in a woman getting their

17:25

eye fucking battered as a mattress.

17:27

with his own hands? Or did he have a weapon that

17:29

he killed the dog? Did he, like, beat this dog to

17:32

death? No. He beat the dog to death. He didn't have

17:34

anything to Oh, no. If he could have, like,

17:36

a rocker something, but he didn't shoot it. I know that

17:38

much or stab it. So That's

17:40

worse. Right? I would say it's

17:42

way more brutal. it

17:44

became more brutal. Anytime we talk on

17:46

small town murder, we'll talk about somebody shooting somebody

17:48

unless it's like extra or whatever,

17:51

that's pretty standard. But when someone goes in with their bare hands

17:53

and starts, like, ripping somebody apart, we

17:55

go, oh, okay. That person, it

17:57

takes a little more mentally to do that,

17:59

you know. and tolerate to

18:01

tolerate the yipe from a dog that's

18:03

injured is crazy. It's pretty

18:05

wild. Well, what about the yipe from a woman

18:07

with a fucking I'm sure

18:09

there was only one of those, and

18:11

then it was just I'm sure unbelievable

18:13

sobbing and scream after that.

18:15

It was pretty a lot of that.

18:17

the yip as you consistently deliver

18:20

a payload to punishment to this that's

18:23

amazing. also don't know how big of a

18:25

dog this was. That's the

18:27

other thing. I don't know if this is a rottweiler

18:29

where it was like a a fight to the, you know, where

18:31

there was a brutal battle, or if this

18:33

was a chihuahua, he picked it up, twisted its

18:35

fucking head around threw it to the ground and that was the end of

18:37

it. I'm not sure what this they that

18:39

wasn't in the paper. There was no none

18:41

of that. They they kinda went over this in the

18:43

story of his later life when

18:45

this happened. This is glaze

18:47

over that he beat a dog to death.

18:49

They glazed over wear poor because they

18:51

kinda did a story about the the plight of poor

18:54

little Eddie here because he's had

18:56

probably the worst luck of any small

18:58

child going in the central aisle -- Yeah. -- for

19:00

a while, at least in this area that the newspaper

19:02

people could pick up. So while they're doing

19:04

a story about what I'm about to tell

19:07

you, That's when they mention the uncle and the dog and the

19:09

Christmas tree and the rest of it. Okay?

19:11

Mhmm. So he's in the custody

19:13

of his aunt then. I don't know

19:15

why his aunt wasn't the first choice because

19:17

she seems nice compared to sending him off

19:19

of his uncle. I think it was

19:21

a a distance thing. Maybe the uncle was

19:23

closer probably. You say she's never pounded

19:25

an animal to death with this? I

19:27

don't think she has the capability of that

19:29

maybe. Yeah. One night, this is

19:31

how I think maybe she was

19:33

nice. One night, she was heating up

19:35

some milk for Eddie before bed,

19:37

which people would do back then to, you

19:39

know, I have some warm milk, which I don't

19:41

think is supposed to do that now.

19:43

Evidently, that has properties

19:45

of Zequil. I didn't know. That'll

19:47

Well, also, I think doesn't it won't

19:49

it unless it's to a certain

19:51

temperature, it's gonna definitely have some heat.

19:53

hot. Well, maybe even gonna have

19:56

diarrhea. Right? I feel like hot milk is

19:58

always gonna make you have diarrhea. Wouldn't

20:00

it? Anytime. Yeah.

20:02

The temperature of milk is

20:04

elevated. It seems dangerous. The

20:06

key thing is dangerous. It's there's so much

20:08

bacteria in there. You're you're invading bacteria.

20:10

I mean, you melt cheese and stuff

20:12

like that, but milk feels like it really should stay in its

20:14

cold state. You know? But

20:17

people steam it and put it in make

20:19

fucking coffee drinks and all that. So I don't

20:21

know. Maybe not. Maybe that's why

20:23

It means it's a flash heating? Maybe

20:26

it's just too uncertain. You really gotta heat it

20:28

up high. Maybe that's what

20:30

it is. fast. Fucking donut. Big a

20:32

blast. Just fast. Fast

20:34

blast kills the bacteria and kills the culture. And

20:36

then But if you do it slow, that gives

20:38

the opportunity to expand and then all of

20:40

a sudden you got fucking botulism. You're

20:43

botulism and you're shitting yourself out of

20:45

every orifice. Shit coming out of

20:47

your nose. You can't help it. It's

20:49

everywhere. You see it.

20:51

You never know it's gonna happen.

20:53

So I don't know whether she's as good

20:55

or bad, sweet at the time. She's heating up milk for

20:57

Eddie before bed. And Eddie must feel better about

20:59

this anyway, at least there's this. The prop

21:02

Jesus Christ, this guy he's

21:04

never gonna have a lit candle or anything in his house

21:06

ever because his

21:09

ant while heating it up on the

21:12

stove caught her nightgown on fire.

21:14

Oh, no. Her nightgown. Now the

21:16

house doesn't burn down. That's good. But

21:18

the nightgown and back then nightgowns aren't

21:20

really made of fire retardant things

21:23

or anything like that. They go up in

21:25

flames and immediately melt to your body.

21:27

They're made of gasoline. They're made of

21:29

gasoline. They're made of gasoline petroleum jelly. So they just

21:32

they just they they're made to

21:34

just fucking They're

21:36

a very thin plastic that

21:38

once they get on fire, They

21:40

stick to you and rest of your skin. with your

21:42

skin is how it works. It just integrates

21:45

itself with your straps, to

21:47

your chest. like, when I was

21:49

a when I was a kid we had in

21:51

the woods, for some reason, we took there was a somebody

21:53

threw away an old couch, so we took the cushions

21:55

from it, and we hung this cushion

21:57

up from a tree and we lit it on fire for

21:59

some reason. I don't know. We were like twelve.

22:02

And if you like a couch cushion on fire,

22:04

drippings come down of this and

22:06

they go You can hear it's amazing. Oh, yeah. I

22:08

still have a scar on my hand. It's right

22:10

here. Two scars from

22:13

blank blank down hitting my hand. Did you want to shrink

22:15

it? No. No. No. It just I got a little too

22:17

close to it, and it dripped two little

22:19

drops. Got on my one hand. Yeah.

22:21

Damn a shit. You all

22:23

skin comes with it. Yeah. It's pretty

22:25

gross. So not to

22:27

make fun of this poor woman being

22:29

on fire, but she catches on

22:31

fire causing degree burns

22:33

over sixty percent of her

22:35

body. So much. That's

22:37

insane. So it stuck to her

22:39

skin melted. Yeah. But it was terrible for

22:41

her. So Eddie is

22:43

then now he's at a family to

22:45

go to at this point. So Eddie is

22:47

sent to a local family. He was like a

22:49

friend of the family at that

22:51

point. they decided it was too much to

22:53

take in this kid, this extra kid.

22:55

And so he ends up in an orphanage

22:58

after that. So we're -- Yeah. -- a lot of

23:00

orphanage stories lately. You know what I

23:02

mean? so So

23:04

he is remember last week, we talked

23:06

about the orphan trains like that would

23:08

send kids to farmlands and shit like that.

23:10

This is kinda the tail end of this

23:12

is they weren't sending them to farms anymore

23:14

or anything like that. they weren't sending them as

23:16

like indentured servants like they were in the

23:19

twenties. But this is the kind of the

23:21

last of the sending them

23:23

to, like, they would shop them to outposts

23:25

basically. Like, there's nobody around here

23:27

that'll take them, so we'll put them, you know, someone

23:29

in the middle of nowhere will will take them.

23:31

It was kind of the last gas

23:33

with that sort of thing. Oh,

23:35

wow. So that's how he ended up

23:37

in Hawaii because -- Really?

23:39

-- he is adopted by

23:41

a Hawaiian fan. family there. Oh, they're that's a a

23:44

the woman is native and the man is from

23:46

the mainland, and they got married.

23:49

And they said they ended up adopting Yeah.

23:51

He hit the lottery now. Central Ohio to Hawaii

23:53

is a pretty good move. That's it. It's

23:55

not bad. That's a step in the right direction.

23:58

Yeah. No offense. Central life. Yeah. And pipeline

24:00

in Ohio are entirely different

24:03

Totally different things. That's part of a meth

24:05

pipeline is what that is in Ohio.

24:07

Plus, no offense to Central Ohio,

24:09

but Gus' cheese barn or whatever the

24:11

fuck that place is that we stopped at.

24:14

Grandpa's cheese barn. compare to the North

24:16

Shore. Just doesn't. So it's

24:18

I'm sorry. It just can't. It's not the same

24:20

thing. Yeah. It's

24:22

just not. So his father

24:26

was a a

24:28

pineapple guy for dol --

24:30

Yeah. -- for the dol company. That's how he gets

24:32

there. He worked with his own He

24:34

was some something to do with the production

24:36

of pineapples. He wasn't, like, picking them or

24:38

anything, but he was in some I don't know if he's

24:40

middle pineapple management or whatever

24:42

the fuck. One day

24:44

though, and he and he used to go to work with his

24:46

dad all the time. I don't know why, but he

24:48

went to work with him. One day,

24:50

his foster father Frank

24:52

gets into an argument and

24:55

the man who he gets in an

24:57

argument with was a pineapple picker

24:59

guy Yeah. And he beat his father to

25:01

death in front of Eddie, his foster

25:04

father, at worth his hands.

25:06

With his hands and pineapples,

25:08

according to the newspaper. He used, like, he

25:10

hit his head with a pineapples or hard. And he hit him

25:12

in the head with a pineapple, and then they also somebody

25:14

with them. Yeah. not a rock, but I guess if

25:16

it's if it's handy

25:19

-- Yeah. -- imagine getting fucking

25:22

imagine seeing that. Number one,

25:25

imagine seeing a pineapple bush in the

25:27

first place, the pickers this dude,

25:29

those things are they're

25:32

a weapon for sure. Yeah. They're pointy,

25:34

they're hard. There's so many thorns on

25:36

those. They're nasty. I can't believe somebody got

25:38

to one to eat to one. to eat to one to eat one in

25:40

the first place, but was to really For us

25:42

to all know. Yeah. We really have

25:44

to end some endurance, some stick to

25:46

it of ness. Yeah. wanna

25:48

get in there. There's gotta be something

25:50

delicious in here. Look at

25:52

all the thorns. It must be good. It's

25:54

-- Clearly. -- protecting

25:56

gold. Oh my god. It gold inside. It's

25:58

amazing. Yeah. It's incredible.

26:00

Meanwhile, coconut, it's rock hard and it

26:02

protects shit. Sorry.

26:05

I'm like, I'm allergic to coconut. So yeah. A lot of people

26:07

love coconut, and it's not really fair for me

26:09

to besmirch it just because my body

26:12

rejects it. But

26:14

water is not fantastic, but

26:16

the the the actual thing, I don't mind it.

26:18

That'll make you shit yourself.

26:21

You wanna you wanna yourself good? Yeah.

26:23

It tastes like vinegar water.

26:26

No shit. Oh my god.

26:28

So okay. I

26:30

don't know. I was saying, imagine seeing this

26:33

-- Yeah. -- number one because if if you

26:35

broke open a pineapple, you'd be like, oh, that

26:37

smells lovely, but my father is

26:39

also dead. So while this is

26:41

going on, Eddie runs off

26:43

away from the scene because

26:45

he's scared because he's a child. I think he's like eight

26:47

at this point. So he and

26:49

he's He's already witnessed way too old death.

26:51

Death, distraught. Everybody he's around. If you

26:53

like Eddie, he's you're gonna die. Period. That's

26:55

it. It's a curse. Like, he's a

26:58

cursed child. You ever see you're losing

27:00

the eye. You ever see the Brady Bunch when they

27:02

go over and they get the they get cursed because

27:04

they pick up a little, you

27:06

know, little techie from somewhere or something and ends up

27:09

people there's a spider. I don't know. There's all sorts of weird. damn

27:11

luck all over the floor. Yeah. I don't know. Greg loses

27:13

part of his dick, I think, the

27:15

tip it's lopped off. I don't know what happens. But thank

27:17

god. But yeah. That's what

27:19

happens there. So Eddie

27:22

runs off His foster mother

27:24

this is fucking amazing. This

27:26

lady. The native lady who yeah.

27:28

His foster mother doesn't look for

27:31

him. because I guess it

27:33

was the dad's idea to get him, so she

27:35

just doesn't look for him. Well,

27:37

I mean, He can't go

27:39

far. Everywhere he goes, he'll eventually run

27:41

into the water. He'll hit water. Of yeah.

27:43

You can find him on an island. Hey. You start

27:45

from one end and just go to the you're

27:47

gonna run into the fucking kid. He'll

27:49

pin ball around until he crosses your

27:51

path eventually. Anybody seen a kid, you

27:53

know, with like twelve dead parents who's

27:56

Probably hungry. Anybody, but definitely

27:58

doesn't want pineapples or warm milk.

27:59

Anybody? Anybody see

28:01

that? And hates Christmas. find

28:03

a kid. Yeah. So anybody. It's

28:07

got a fuck Santa Claus shirt on. That's

28:09

the last two thing you've seen in. I don't

28:12

know what. if that helps

28:14

anybody look for him.

28:16

Okay. That's allergic to sleigh bells. You've

28:18

seen him. It's fucking whose story

28:20

is more harrowing. Her him or fucking the last

28:22

one. Him or Barbosa. I'm not even sure.

28:25

This this is fascinating. This is I

28:27

guess this is fascinating because he moves

28:29

around a little here. So

28:31

either way, she doesn't look for him.

28:33

Yeah. So Eddie, just he's

28:35

in Oahu. He just

28:38

wanders the streets of the law who is a

28:40

homeless child. Oh, like,

28:42

nine -- Oh, like --

28:44

eight, nine? Yeah. At this point. Wow.

28:46

just wanders. This is there's a

28:49

place to be homeless. I'm telling you. This

28:51

is right before a couple of years before

28:53

Hawaiian statehood, I believe, too. So, I

28:55

mean, it's just, like, it's a tough territory. And he's just not

28:57

even a state. He

28:59

ends up being he

29:01

finds the the North Shore. That's --

29:03

Uh-huh. -- where where he gets into.

29:06

and he is kind of fascinated by

29:08

surfing. Yeah. So being

29:10

this urchin orphan

29:12

fucking tiny Tim child

29:14

left out in the whatever, He's basically taken

29:16

in by a group of local surfers

29:18

and beach bombs who keep him as like a

29:20

mascot basically. Like he's

29:22

like, wow. he's like the

29:24

gang's mascot. Like, hey, send little

29:26

fucking Netty over there. Yeah. There he goes.

29:28

Fast Netty. There he is. But

29:30

nobody bother with him, sexually,

29:32

just let him be. That's it. No. Yeah. He

29:34

would be sent in to, like, steal shit from stores because

29:36

he looked in a certain shit like that. More

29:38

than that. Yeah. No. He's not killing anybody,

29:40

but they'd be like, Eggo deal like this and they'd send

29:42

him into steel stuff because he's nine stakes. Nobody

29:45

will stop you. He looks innocent as fuck. Yeah. It

29:47

looks like this cute little innocent kid and, you know,

29:49

they're all kinda you know, they they have a

29:51

certain look that he doesn't have. Their adults -- Yeah. --

29:53

and teenagers. Sweat

29:55

runs down their face. Yeah.

29:57

By the time he's ten, he's

29:59

they got them stealing cars.

30:01

Oh. Muggen Taurus. That sort of

30:03

shit, you know. Okay. That's a

30:05

source I can see. But stealing vehicles

30:08

That seems like a that seems like

30:10

a lost cause. Somebody you can't

30:12

really get away. But the thing that

30:14

you got on an island, you know, that's true

30:17

but also parts over there are

30:19

probably worth a lot because they have to be shipped

30:21

over. So when you chop it, it's probably a lot more.

30:23

But you have to have you have to have somewhere to put the rest

30:25

of it when you just dump it in the ocean, the part you

30:27

don't use. But the frame

30:29

in the ocean, I don't know. Just

30:31

There's a deep dive in. Yeah. I

30:33

don't know what to do here. But, yeah,

30:35

I I'd also too use you have a when you have

30:37

a kid that young, and he gets arrested for it.

30:39

It's not a big deal, but probably won't even

30:41

be in trouble. Yeah. He'll go away. He's you got a seventeen

30:43

year old with a record, it's a different

30:46

story. So at

30:48

one point, one of his friends in the gang

30:50

was actually saving a

30:52

actually tried to save a tourist in the ocean.

30:54

The tourist was yeah. I guess

30:56

he was had some kelp issue. He was

30:58

tangled in some shit and he couldn't get out.

31:01

you forget there's fucking live shit

31:03

in their asshole. I don't know if

31:05

forgot's the right word or never knew or thought

31:07

about it because it was just somebody go in

31:09

Hawaii, fucking around the water and thought,

31:11

hey, this is beautiful. Listen, girl, god,

31:13

I'm gonna die out here. So

31:15

one of his SIRF ThUG Friends actually tried to

31:18

help him. And by helping

31:20

him, his friend ended up getting

31:22

caught in some sort of title thing

31:24

and sucked away and then a wave came and his friend around.

31:27

So -- Oh my god. -- and the tourists was

31:29

survived. So the

31:33

The current pushed him free of

31:35

the kelp and guided him safely

31:38

ashore. Guide him safely ashore. Well, this

31:40

guy was sucked out into the ocean and

31:42

drowned. That's how it works. Why

31:44

he was nice to Eddie? That's the thing.

31:47

Yeah. Never be nice to

31:49

Eddie because he knew Eddie.

31:51

He's fucking cursed. I'm

31:53

telling you.

31:53

Cursed. It's

31:56

ridiculous, dude. This fucking

31:59

guy, man.

31:59

He floats safe please

32:02

assuring Eddie goes, hi, I'm Eddie and he goes, don't

32:04

talk to me, kid. Yeah. Everybody get away from

32:06

Eddie. Oh, shit. It's Eddie. Rod may all

32:08

take off. Don't look him in the

32:10

eye. He's like medusa and

32:12

shit. You will definitely

32:14

be murdered. The worst

32:16

the worst luck of your life has come.

32:18

It's common. Eddie, he's almost

32:20

like a he gives it off like

32:23

osmosis. He has the worst luck and he just rubs

32:25

it onto him. fucking

32:28

terrible. So he hated tourists after

32:30

that and especially surf tourists anybody

32:32

in the water. He

32:33

really you know,

32:34

how there's that locals only

32:36

anti thing. That this he's

32:38

a big part of this as we'll talk about in

32:40

Hawaii, especially, he was a big to

32:43

starting this, and this is why. This is where --

32:45

Yeah. -- this is where it came from an incident with

32:47

his friend dying. So For this

32:49

asshole from fucking Kansas, some

32:51

dip shit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Some

32:53

assholes in any terrorists. Saw

32:55

I fucking know this was before endless

32:57

but, you know, to hurt about surfing and

32:59

was like, that sounds like fun. I'd like to stand

33:01

there. Saw those stupid early sixties

33:04

beach surf films and was like, yeah, I wanna be

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34:12

Perfect. Frankie and

34:14

Annette are a lovely couple. They're

34:18

perfect. So he they

34:20

also though teach him how to surf, not

34:22

only does his local thug friends

34:24

teach him how to mug people and all this, but he

34:26

also gets very very much

34:28

in the surfing with -- Yeah. -- a group of people

34:30

who are they're like the point break gang

34:32

sort of except they don't rob banks. They're

34:34

more low level than that. So he

34:36

kinda starts mixing up with

34:38

them. He becomes an absolutely

34:40

fearless surfer because -- Yeah. -- he's

34:42

gotta feel like he has nothing to lose at

34:44

this point. I mean, he's been around so much death and he's still

34:46

alive. You probably feel pretty

34:48

inventive. Fire and everything else.

34:50

Yeah. You feel like you're probably and

34:52

also, he he's around

34:54

a bunch of older people who are been surfing

34:56

a long time, and he's just trying to emulate them.

34:58

He doesn't wanna look like a pussy. I

35:00

think too, like, it's you're the smallest and the youngest.

35:02

You wanna act like you're, you know, you don't

35:04

wanna seem too weak. You wanna show that you've got

35:06

some balls. You know what I mean? So

35:10

one time here, he ends up taking

35:12

over the gang at age fifteen. It's

35:14

nervous again. There's people who are like,

35:17

you know, twenty to late teens

35:19

to, like, thirties in this game. Yeah.

35:21

And he's gonna take over at fifteen.

35:23

Yeah. He's by far the youngest

35:25

person around. Like, it's Silly.

35:28

The leader of the gang is thirty

35:30

five years old. And

35:33

Eddie rests control away

35:36

from him by one day when he's surfing here -- Mhmm. --

35:38

the the other guy,

35:40

what Eddie does is the guy is

35:42

out past dark. So what Eddie does

35:45

is Eddie hires three guys that he hired from

35:48

Honolulu to come over

35:50

and fucking get over.

35:52

There's a bunch a rocks and shit

35:54

over here. It's a -- Mhmm. -- night cool spot.

35:56

I've seen the picture. It's a dope spot. It looks

35:58

beautiful. Except if there's three

35:59

guys waiting for you to

36:02

come in from finishing surfing. And what they do is

36:04

they grab this guy and bash him

36:06

against the rocks until he's dead and

36:08

then fucking just push him in a surfboard

36:10

out there in

36:12

the water. They he hired murderers. Yeah. That's

36:14

it. So this guy And so it looks

36:16

like he just fell off his board. It

36:18

looks like he's against the rock. Looks like

36:20

he got fucking lost

36:22

his balance in a wave and got bashed into the

36:24

rocks. That's how it works and there's they can't

36:26

prove anything. It's nineteen

36:28

as kids fucking diabolic. It's nineteen sixty four

36:30

for Christ's sake. So they're not. There's no way to prove

36:32

anything. They're just like, well, another one of them

36:34

surfers bashed into the rocks. I

36:36

don't know. shuffle them up and

36:38

throw them throw them in a fucking bin. That was that.

36:40

So, I mean, it's

36:43

so at fifteen, He's

36:46

a fucking fire orphan

36:48

is now leader of a gang of adult

36:50

surf thugs at fifteen years old.

36:53

who he's having merch through

36:55

-- Yes. -- and to make it look

36:57

like an accident. He is

37:00

a terrifying

37:02

young man. He even knew enough like a mob guy to bring in

37:04

outside people. Yeah. Not even people he was

37:06

involved. He didn't try to get a couple guys in the

37:08

gang to do it. He

37:10

hired out side guy, so

37:12

it would be not connect to him, which is

37:14

like, that's pretty that's

37:16

fucking that's crazy shit for

37:18

a child. like, what kind of future does that person have? hey.

37:20

I mean, at fifteen Damer was,

37:22

like, just staring at joggers

37:24

fantasize and he wasn't fucking

37:27

Think about it. He's got a future of

37:29

this guy. And fucking it's

37:32

crazy. Right? I mean, the the only thing

37:34

crazier than that is that none of that

37:36

is true. It's the only thing crazier. None of that's

37:38

true. He's he's not

37:40

even he's Jewish. There definitely was no

37:44

Christmas tree. He's Jewish.

37:46

Fast Eddie Rothman's Jewish. He's

37:48

absolutely not a firefighter. None

37:50

of that. Yeah. It's it's burning bush.

37:53

None of it's true. No.

37:55

That's true, actually. Where is

37:57

he from?

37:59

Philadelphia. He's a Jewish kid from inner

38:02

city Philadelphia. And he wound up

38:04

in Hawaii? Yeah.

38:04

That's what the the there's a couple similarities, but it's not

38:07

it's not anything near what it was.

38:09

And He's a Jewish

38:11

kid from Philly. It's been

38:13

a long time since we put one of those out.

38:16

And I figured after

38:18

Barbosa's real story last

38:20

week, anything's

38:22

believable. Right? The last couple stories that we've heard was that's

38:24

what I mean. And the last couple stories

38:26

we've heard, this shit sounds more

38:30

credible than those and those were one hundred percent true. So

38:32

I thought last week was gonna be

38:34

fake. Right. That's what

38:36

I'd be. So I'm all in.

38:39

shit. That's I figured, yeah, we we

38:41

fool you there. So, hopefully. So,

38:43

yeah, born under -- Dogs are okay. -- all

38:45

the dogs are fine. The woman's

38:47

orbital socket's fine. Nobody's tree was anywhere. I don't know if he has

38:49

an uncle or an aunt. His aunt was not burned up in a

38:51

fire. No warm milk. There's no

38:54

kelp dead

38:56

friend though, when it was dropped out in the ocean, he didn't murder thirty

38:58

five year old. Still bad to slowly

39:00

eat. I think milk still will

39:02

make you shit your brains out if you hit

39:05

slowly though. That's for sure. Last few

39:08

that you got. That part's

39:10

factual. That part's factual. The rest

39:12

of it absolute bullshit. So

39:14

Fantastic. Sorry

39:20

to waste a half hour your time. But I feel like

39:22

rather than that way than any

39:24

hours. Let me tell you something. When

39:26

you go see stand up comedy about

39:29

twelve percent of what that person says is

39:32

true. They didn't do this last week

39:34

and none of that happened. That's just something that they

39:36

thought it'd be crazy if this

39:38

happened or That's a real

39:40

story happened and They did shit their

39:42

pants, but it was not a funny situation.

39:44

It was just sad

39:46

and shameful. and they had to make it funny so that you would laugh at. was

39:48

just an adult person not controlling

39:50

their bowels properly. It has nothing

39:53

There's nothing funny about it. But if you twist some

39:55

stuff, boy, this could really be something. And

39:57

now you're distracted from paying seventeen

39:59

dollars from my time.

40:02

That's right. Only differences on the show, we will tell

40:04

you what's real in what time. So that's the

40:06

difference. A comedy show, and I can

40:08

tell you Here, we'll

40:10

tell you when it yeah. Imagine after a comedy

40:12

show, every joke, if you said

40:14

that, you go. Well, actually,

40:16

the only part of it that was true was this, that, and

40:18

this, people would be like, Oh.

40:20

His long course is just a comedian coming out

40:22

with a PowerPoint going and joke

40:24

one sitting up on the

40:26

stool like real. with the mic

40:28

in both hands up to his face just like,

40:30

okay, here's I'll tell you what happens. stomach.

40:32

They'll stomach doing

40:34

a q and a. And then

40:37

I asked my server where the

40:39

shitty part of town is. Then I asked

40:41

him and he said Apache Junction, and

40:43

I said thank you. Or

40:45

I asked the opener.

40:48

Hey,

40:48

what's smart down or what is

40:50

that? How

40:52

many of those have you been asked in your life when we used

40:54

to open for people that were that shit? So

40:57

many times hey, let me

40:59

ask somebody. Just go Apache junk Yep.

41:02

Exactly. If it's a patch it's a patchy juncture.

41:04

You ever wanted to give them the wrong thing just to

41:06

fuck I have. I've wanted to That one

41:08

say it and watch a bomb. Here, nice

41:10

valley. Yeah. Just Paradise Valley,

41:12

just have some really famous comedian, go

41:14

up there and have people looking at them. Like, that doesn't

41:16

even make sense, bro. That's nice. That's power,

41:18

but you can't do that. You can't do

41:20

that. You won't work tomorrow. You won't work tomorrow.

41:23

Yeah. That dude will be pissed when

41:25

he comes back. like, I don't know. I think it sucks. I don't

41:27

know. I don't know. But watching you panic when the crowd

41:30

didn't laugh, was was funny for me. Yeah. It

41:32

was funny

41:34

for me. Oh, whose comic would appreciate that? because who cares at some

41:36

set on a Friday night? Who gives a shit? You know?

41:38

They need a good comic with

41:40

laugh. That's

41:42

the funniest thing you set up there. That's what a good comic would say.

41:44

Well, that's the funniest thing you did tonight.

41:47

So take that as

41:49

a compliment and and insult. For

41:52

this valley,

41:52

it's real weird. Not very aptly

41:55

named town. Right? I know it sounds weird.

41:57

It sounds weird. It's not. Then

41:59

there's all these

41:59

trailer parks. It's like Paradise

42:02

Valley. People like What?

42:04

What? You know, it's

42:07

like fuck. fuck

42:08

you. My fucking officer is a cock sucker.

42:10

Okay. He's a dick. He's all me.

42:12

What's the shit's at? Tyler Parks.

42:15

like Paradise Valley.

42:18

Oh my god. Okay. Alright.

42:20

Back to actual fast

42:22

up here. He's born in

42:25

inner city, Philadelphia. He is Jewish, like we

42:27

said, so no Christmas tree. He was

42:29

raised though in Southern

42:31

California. Oh, that's where his love of the ocean

42:33

came from. That'll do it. Yeah. And and

42:35

in reality, he says, quote, my

42:38

parents threw me out

42:40

at thirteen. Oh,

42:40

yeah. What's worse? That's what

42:41

I mean. It's not much different. That's what I'm

42:44

saying. It's But he but he wished they

42:46

died in a car

42:48

accident. Right? At least if they

42:50

died, it wasn't by choice. They didn't choose to

42:52

not wanna spend time with you anymore. They

42:54

couldn't help it. Jesus. They've

42:56

been called

42:58

away. So his father, nobody

43:00

really looked for him. That's the thing they threw him out,

43:02

and they were just like, there. You're good. You're

43:06

thirteen. Yeah. So what he did was

43:08

he he ends up

43:10

somehow he by the way, in in Southern

43:12

California was learning to surf and shit

43:14

like that. Yeah. He

43:16

ends up scraping up enough

43:18

money to go to

43:20

Hawaii as

43:22

a China. literally on his own as a thirteen fourteen year old, he scrapes

43:24

up enough money to fly to Hawaii and he

43:26

just stays there. From then on

43:28

amazing, which

43:30

is that's what I mean. It's

43:32

pretty wild here. He is raised by some foster parents there. Uh-huh. So

43:34

he's not on the street or anything

43:36

like that. But he ends

43:40

up trying a bunch of different things, but surfing becomes his

43:42

main thing. He gets known for surfing

43:45

and he's sixties. in

43:47

the sixties. Yeah. He becomes kind of part of this whole

43:50

culture and very much

43:52

in the part of ingrained in the local culture

43:54

even though he's not from here. It doesn't matter. yeah,

43:56

they end up accepting him. He

43:58

it's there's this article where they're saying

44:00

most people just think he's a lion.

44:03

They just think he's native and or at

44:05

least, you know, half native. They say

44:07

in Hawaii, a lot of people say

44:09

they're they're half half native.

44:11

That's yeah. this fucking white people moved there and they saw how beautiful

44:13

it was. And there you go. So -- Yeah. --

44:16

I've heard of Pearl Harbor and my parents were. My

44:18

dad was here, and I honestly know

44:20

I am. Once they

44:22

stayed there, they were like, oh, shit, this is

44:24

nice. But he was born Jewish in

44:26

Philadelphia. And of that, he says,

44:28

holy balls. quote,

44:30

I don't know nothing about

44:32

juice stuff, but once this lady on the

44:34

North Shore made me some juice food and it

44:36

was good, what? That's what

44:39

he said, man. That's his quote.

44:41

I don't know nothing about nothing

44:43

about Jews stuff. That's

44:46

okay. He didn't

44:50

anything. Don't know nothing about it. And for

44:52

him, he didn't mean it like, I don't like it. That's just how

44:54

he talks. So he just I don't know nothing about don't

44:56

juice stuff. That's just how he is. Juice stuff.

44:58

But once this lady on the North Shore made

45:00

me some juice food and it was good.

45:03

That's his quote. Alright.

45:06

But he's Jewish. I mean, he's he

45:08

just doesn't know he never really in

45:10

the culture in Jewish culture, so he doesn't really

45:12

know anything. But you'll see that's just

45:14

how he speaks. He speaks very gruffly all

45:17

the time about everything. He said

45:19

his mother physically abused him when he was a

45:21

boy as well. Oh, she's younger. So after she

45:23

left, that's when his father moved to Long

45:25

Beach, California. Mhmm. And he'd think everything will

45:27

be better now. He got a use of mom out of

45:29

the picture, and he

45:32

moved to Southern California in the sixties, that's pretty nice. You know?

45:34

Great time to be there. Absolutely. It's

45:36

like blow over there. But -- Yeah. -- even better

45:38

because it's before all the shit's happened.

45:42

he says, quote, my father would fucking beat the shit out

45:44

of me because I was little and that made him

45:48

mad. That's not gonna make

45:50

you bigger. Why would he be

45:52

bigger? Grow you

45:54

little grow. I'll give you the back

45:56

of my fucking hand if you don't start growing.

45:58

You go to sleep tonight and think tall

45:59

thoughts. No. I'm not

46:02

making your warm milk. Remember what happened to that

46:06

lady?

46:10

Feeze my

46:10

mother. That long. He is

46:13

only five six when he grows up. And

46:16

I guess his dad wanted him to be longer. And so he's

46:18

very upset about it. Yeah. I'm not

46:22

sure. So eventually Eddie, though, when he's

46:24

fourteen years old, that's when he

46:26

stole enough money from his father to get a

46:28

one way ticket to Honolulu, and that's how he

46:30

ended up

46:32

in Hawaii. And That's gotta be beneficial for surfing.

46:34

Right? To be shorter, to be, like, a lower center

46:36

of gravity. I'm a camera like that. I can't

46:38

imagine it wouldn't hurt. I it would

46:40

hurt because like,

46:42

skate. I just know skateboarding and I assume

46:44

staying upright on something that's moving.

46:46

Right. It's not exactly the same, but it's

46:48

similar properties. You know what I mean?

46:50

Like, everybody Yeah. I've never

46:52

snowboarded, but everybody always tells me if you know

46:54

how to skateboard, you'll pick it up fast. It's you

46:56

already know how to lean and how to move and how

46:58

to make shit. So you'll be fine. That's and

47:00

those battle on. Those boards you want it's a it's

47:02

a I think that you want it to be at

47:04

your shoulder height. I think they're those

47:06

boards are fucking huge, man. It's

47:09

so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's like

47:11

a it's like a sheet of plywood you're standing

47:14

on almost giant weird

47:16

thing. Yeah. It's a bizarre

47:18

thing, but I'm so being tall on a

47:20

snowboard probably doesn't hurt. It probably being

47:22

like skateboarding, you don't see it like

47:24

Tony Hawkins pretty tall, but you

47:26

don't see a lot of Decades

47:28

size board. Right. You don't see a lot of tall

47:30

skaters though. It's not I

47:32

assume it's easier if

47:34

you have lower center of gravity to -- Right. -- you know, there's nice of you. If

47:36

feet kinda stand on that on the

47:38

on the deck a little easier if you're if

47:40

you're a little guy. Yeah. Maybe

47:42

smaller feet would help. because, like, on a skateboard,

47:44

that's if you have size thirteen

47:46

feet, you have to pick your board. Oh, yeah. I

47:48

know for me. I

47:50

I can't Yeah. Certain boards. But yeah. Certain boards, I can't

47:52

take, like, a a very

47:54

small board, like a like an eight. I can't ride

47:56

because it's a eight and a quarter. It's it's fucks me

47:58

up because too small. My

48:00

fucking feet are hanging off everywhere. It's no

48:02

good. No control. You can also with

48:04

that, you can manipulate the board

48:06

easier. You know what I mean? Then the little fee.

48:08

Yeah. Feels like you're falling off it though. You don't

48:10

have anywhere to really land because if you

48:12

land motherfucker everywhere then. Unless

48:14

you land perfect, you're

48:16

falling off. because you're hanging off anyway. You know what I mean? It was it was enough

48:18

to learn to fucking ollie. A

48:22

tiny fucking

48:24

v Yeah. It's you needed a smaller board problem. There's me

48:26

jumping. The board just kept going.

48:28

Boom. Bay there because Jump. I'm

48:30

like I'm like his dad screaming at

48:34

it. I told you to jump goddamn it. To jump

48:36

taller. Higher.

48:38

So he'd surfed in California like

48:40

we said. He'd seen a bunch of

48:43

you know, surf film shit about

48:46

Hawaii, and he was that was the dream, so he

48:48

wanted to go there. He just pops

48:50

up fourteen years old in Honolulu without

48:52

knowing a soul. Nobody.

48:54

Didn't know anybody. He just

48:56

said he liked it there. He was

48:59

in Honolulu for a few

49:01

years. and what he would do is he'd fly

49:03

back to Southern California, pick up

49:05

a shitload to weed, and bring it

49:07

back to Hawaii. Okay. That's what

49:10

he would do. So that was his that

49:12

was his jam.

49:14

He in in Long Beach, when his father moved

49:16

out there with him, he went to school briefly out

49:18

there He said, quote, I went to school a couple of times, but the school told me

49:20

if I didn't show up, they would pass me.

49:22

So he was like, alright, and

49:24

just didn't show up. Why would

49:27

I be here? That's very strange here.

49:29

So he at sixteen, he moves to the

49:32

North Shore, and he's doing

49:34

great. He

49:36

he's people

49:38

to sell weed to. He also starts he's

49:40

selling weed, he's stealing cars -- Mhmm. --

49:42

having him chopped up. So it's very similar to

49:45

the fake story here just less

49:48

tragic, you know, beginning to it. Less

49:52

pity. Yeah. So one

49:54

day he is at

49:56

Sunset and

49:58

he is breaking into

49:59

cars. k? And while

50:01

he's breaking into cars, he

50:03

runs into a

50:06

group of local kids who were also breaking into

50:08

cars. Oh. So they were, like, in the same

50:10

parking lot, breaking in the cars, and they were, like, hey, what are

50:12

you doing? Hey, what are you up to? Hey,

50:14

we're both we should yeah. Well,

50:16

we'll just do it together then. Yeah. We'll join

50:18

us, I guess. One goes in the

50:20

past. Hey. Yeah. Hey. What's

50:22

going on? Whoa. What's going on? They do, like, mirror

50:24

each other's movements. up

50:26

and down, back and forth. Picks his

50:28

nose, hey, you're not -- Oh, you're not. -- me

50:30

god damn it. I was poof. I got

50:32

confused there. So he says they he's asked

50:34

later on how did they come to accept

50:36

you being that you're a Jewish kid

50:38

from the

50:40

mainland. Right. And you're

50:42

doing here. You're you're here. He

50:44

says, quote, I don't talk good, which

50:46

we found earlier, that he doesn't He's

50:50

been silly. He's from Philly and and doesn't have really

50:52

much of an education either. And, you

50:54

know, he says, quote, I have

50:56

bad speech like them, so it

50:58

was easy. and everything went

51:00

from there. I sounded like them and they

51:02

just accepted that I was like

51:04

them. That's all. They're just like -- Yeah. --

51:06

you're all breaking into cars and everybody

51:08

seems kinda not speaking

51:10

well, and buses are breaking in the cars and around the

51:12

same age. So let's be towels like that. from front,

51:14

we're both dumb as shit. I

51:16

would just general dumbness in criminal

51:19

criminality is how we got together. and

51:21

we don't communicate with each other.

51:23

Yeah. It's just a

51:25

lack of communication. a lot of

51:27

signals and grunting. predilections, things like that, basically.

51:30

A lot of yeah. A lot of

51:32

hold up two fingers and

51:35

you know, about appointing it things. Yeah.

51:38

Something mixed in there. That's what I

51:40

do. Yeah. He just never I don't know what it was.

51:42

Like, he just never

51:44

really got I feel like he's almost raised feral, Eddie. So it's

51:46

like he never really picked up on a

51:48

lot. And that's these kids are the same thing as they never

51:50

they don't really have good upbringings, all the kids that

51:52

he's hanging out with. So

51:54

none of them none of them speak well. None of them went to school, really.

51:57

None of them. And it's just the way it is. So

51:59

he would he

52:02

ended up also becoming kind of an enforcer

52:05

at this time for people. Yeah.

52:07

He would collect debts and

52:09

shit like that. he's a little

52:12

guy, but he's tough as balls. We'll find out through this whole deal.

52:15

He said they he's

52:17

asked interview where you kind of adopted by the

52:20

Hawaiians, and he said, quote, they

52:22

didn't adopt shit. I proved

52:24

myself every fucking day. I proved

52:26

myself with these. and he holds up his

52:28

fist. This is so much

52:30

fun. This is when he's,

52:32

like, sixty five. This interview is from by the

52:34

way. talking about yeah. The the

52:36

these quotes that I'm bringing up right now or They didn't adopt shit.

52:38

They didn't adopt shit.

52:42

Jesus Christ. If I would

52:44

have interwe woven these quotes

52:46

with my fake story, that shit was

52:48

bulletproof. It was -- Right. -- nobody nobody

52:50

would have doubted it for

52:52

a fucking a Nobody questions anything. Nothing. So

52:54

man And we don't even tell them until the

52:56

end of the show. That would

52:58

be amazing. By the

53:00

way, part of that, it would have just been so hard

53:02

to unwind it and tell

53:04

you, well, that was true, but this

53:06

wasn't and That was not.

53:08

No. That was true. He did say, he doesn't know

53:10

nothing about Jewish stuff. That was

53:12

true. That's true. And the

53:14

alliance don't adopt shit. They didn't

53:16

adopt shit. Prove myself

53:18

every fucking day. So

53:20

May fifth nineteen seventy two. He's

53:23

been doing this. He's about twenty three years

53:25

old. He's been going back and forth with

53:27

weed doing this thing. He is at the

53:29

San Diego Airport. this day.

53:32

It's not a good sign. He buys

53:34

a plane ticket to Hawaii at

53:36

the Western Western Airlines counter at

53:38

the San Diego Airport. That's an airline.

53:40

No. No longer exists. Obviously,

53:42

never heard of it. So

53:45

the ticket agent

53:48

that The ticket agent believes that he fit the

53:50

FAA profile of potential

53:54

airplane hijackers. Oh. Now,

53:56

you have to understand at this

53:58

time late sixties through the mid

54:00

seventies, sky jsavings were in

54:02

an enormous enormous

54:04

thing. I mean, that was like everyday

54:06

there was another sky jacking. It was

54:08

front page of the newspapers. It was on

54:11

everybody's mind. people were talking about Vietnam and fucking

54:13

sky jacking. So that's what it was.

54:15

Yeah. And watergate. And those were

54:17

the things. So That's how big it

54:19

was. So But the were not to crash it into anything.

54:22

No. It was to get the the the

54:24

fucking ransom for all the

54:26

people on

54:28

board. and they'd fucking pay it. So why not do it? Either ransom

54:30

or it was to land

54:32

somewhere, hold the plane hostage

54:34

in exchange for a prisoner

54:37

being let out. somewhere. That was another thing they would do. It

54:39

was all sorts of different things that were going on there.

54:41

Rarely to hurt anybody. They definitely wasn't

54:44

to crash anything. There was

54:46

no suicide you know, hijackings

54:48

at the time that I know of

54:50

anyway. So fast eddy,

54:52

Ghost. Maybe he said I'm fast eddy and they

54:54

were like, I don't know about that. That sounds suspicious.

54:57

So he goes to the boarding gate

54:59

there. He passes through the metal

55:01

detector without act activating it, you know,

55:03

nothing like that. There's only

55:05

guns on him. Then he's detained though by a United

55:07

States marshal who had been told

55:10

by the FAA by the counter ticket

55:12

counterperson that he fit the

55:14

profile. Okay? So

55:16

they ask him his name and fast

55:18

and he says his name is Roberts and

55:20

that he has no identification on him.

55:23

Well, that's illegal. That's

55:26

okay. So then fast Eddie

55:28

puts his jacket on the counter

55:31

in front of the deputy

55:34

there, the deputy reaches into the

55:36

jacket pocket thinking that there's

55:38

a bulge in a pocket and he thinks it's

55:40

a weapon. so he reaches in, finds money and keys. So

55:42

there's no gun, there's no weapon in his in

55:44

his bag. So at that

55:46

point, Rothman ends up pulling his

55:48

identification out his

55:50

wallet. Oh. And it shows that he's fast

55:52

eddy Rothman. He's not Roberts, and they're

55:54

like, okay. What the what the fuck's going on? Who are

55:56

you? Why are you giving false names? What's the

55:58

deal there? So he tells

55:59

him, listen, we need to do a further ID

56:02

check, and you're gonna have to, you know,

56:04

we're gonna have to bring you into the office and

56:06

figure out who you are and all this shit before we're gonna

56:08

let you fly, basically. That's how it

56:10

works. So while the

56:12

deputies unlocking the door to his office to

56:14

take him in there, fast

56:16

eddy grabs his right hand that he was unlocking

56:18

the door with the key with and

56:20

jerks him, like, into the hallway, like

56:22

Oh. Pulled him, like, three feet away from

56:24

the door. k? Puls the

56:27

deputy away. So he's immediately arrested for assaulting

56:29

a federal officer at that point. Grab him.

56:31

He can't do that. He, like, yanked him too. He didn't,

56:33

like, oh, hey buddy, and, like, put his hand

56:35

on. I mean, Yanked them in a hallway.

56:37

So he's handcuffed and given his Miranda warning and all that at

56:40

the time. So his

56:42

checked luggage at that

56:44

point is since he's under

56:46

arrest, his check luggage is removed

56:48

from the plane and brought into

56:50

the office here -- Mhmm. --

56:52

where he's being held by

56:54

the deputy. The deputy asked Fast Eddie if he could search the

56:56

luggage. What do you

56:58

think? Yeah. And

57:00

Fast Eddie said, no, you can't search my

57:02

luggage. So the deputy

57:04

calls the FBI asking that agents be

57:06

sent over to investigate the assault charge

57:09

because that's their jurisdiction. So

57:12

while they're waiting and there's about a forty five minute

57:14

conversation between Fast Eddie and

57:16

the deputy, which they talk

57:19

about the fact that The

57:21

old they they make a reference to

57:23

FAST Eddie asked about the possible

57:25

punishment for assaulting a

57:28

federal officer. By the way, what am

57:30

I looking at for that? What's the damage? Deputy told him

57:32

three to five years as a sentencing guideline

57:35

on that one. So the FBI arrives, they

57:37

interrogate him at length about whatever the

57:40

fuck are you with terrorists and everything like

57:42

that. Then they go into an

57:44

adjoining room. So

57:46

at some point during that time, a fast steady, they

57:48

removed the handcuffs from him,

57:50

and and then he's handcuffed again in

57:53

front of him. So he's not you

57:55

know, it's hard to sit and talk when your hands are

57:57

handcuffed behind your back. Once his hands are

57:59

in

57:59

front of him, here's the

58:02

conversation. Fast Eddie says, why don't you just go ahead

58:04

and open the bags? So the

58:06

deputy

58:06

says no. If you refuse

58:08

to open them, I don't wanna open them now.

58:10

He said, you know, we can get a

58:12

search warrant and we'll probably will later

58:14

on. So that's how we'll do this.

58:17

So fast Eddie said, what's the use of

58:19

going through all this? Go ahead and open

58:21

the bags. It's okay. Don't worry

58:23

about it. So the deputy says no, I don't want to open

58:25

them now. I won't do it. Why don't you

58:27

open it now? The keys are laying on the desk.

58:29

If you

58:29

want to open it,

58:32

go ahead. So there, at

58:33

this point, fast Eddie took the keys that had

58:35

been placed in front of him and

58:37

opened his luggage. Yeah.

58:39

yeah They

58:40

open up thirty nine kilos of weed in

58:44

there. A kilos two point

58:46

two pounds. So -- A

58:48

lot. -- that's a shitload of weed in

58:50

a fucking in suitcases.

58:52

That's a lot, man. That's

58:54

Why why like, he didn't have it on him. It was already

58:56

in the belly of the plane. Why

58:58

could cause a a scene? Just be like,

59:01

No. I'm not a hijacker. This is me here.

59:04

That's crazy. I'm just going to Hawaii.

59:06

Leave me alone. I live in Hawaii. I'm

59:08

a surfer. I

59:10

came back San Diego, I was surfing, and now I'm going back there. My dad lives

59:12

here. I'm going home. Boom.

59:14

Over. No. I'm Robert.

59:16

Don't open that door. Yank

59:18

away. Wabizant. fucking moron.

59:20

Exactly. So I do all

59:22

this. He pops it open

59:24

thirty nine kilos of marijuana. He

59:26

goes to court. He's found

59:28

guilty of trafficking and -- Yeah. -- all that sort of thing, which

59:30

is probably pretty obvious

59:32

there. He had it. He's

59:34

found guilty. But

59:36

then in nineteen seventy four, he appeals it. Oh.

59:39

And basically, he

59:41

challenges the search. which is

59:43

funny because he opened the suitcase. They didn't

59:46

search. That's what's funny.

59:48

But under the fourth amendment here, this is

59:50

from the court document. Wireless searches with

59:52

a few specifically established exceptions are

59:55

unreasonable. They say the government

59:57

argues that Rothman voluntarily consented to

59:59

the search and that the search

1:00:01

was justified as incident to a

1:00:04

lawful arrest and that the search was a

1:00:06

valid administrative search and thus the

1:00:08

motion to suppress was

1:00:10

properly denied. Now, this is an interesting thing

1:00:12

because let's say you

1:00:14

get arrested in your car. Yeah. Okay?

1:00:16

You're driving. They arrest They

1:00:19

impound your car. Now you're under arrest, they can search your

1:00:21

car. Okay? Let's say you got arrested for something else. They

1:00:23

can search your car then. But if

1:00:26

you if you're out somewhere and they arrest you,

1:00:28

they then can't go search house because

1:00:30

you weren't in your house. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

1:00:32

So that's that's kind of

1:00:34

the boundaries. It's kind of shit you have

1:00:37

access to at the time. Yeah. Now these

1:00:39

are bags that he took in the airport, obviously, but

1:00:41

then he put them down and put

1:00:43

them on. So they're saying

1:00:45

he didn't have access to they work that's

1:00:47

kinda like his house at that point. It's kinda how they're arguing it. Like,

1:00:50

that's not part of the crime

1:00:52

because the crime is a

1:00:54

suspected hijacking.

1:00:56

he's just now showing off, look, I'm not a hijacker. I'd like you to

1:00:58

see all my weed. Yeah. I why would I hijack when

1:01:00

I have all this weed? That'd be crazy.

1:01:04

That'd be nuts. be to do. So I

1:01:07

was a suspected hijacker, not

1:01:09

a trafficker. So

1:01:12

I can go now. Jesus fucking

1:01:15

idiots walks away. So he's trying

1:01:17

to argue it, like, they're

1:01:19

trying to argue it,

1:01:22

like, The government saying he brought his suitcases in. And when

1:01:24

he brought his suitcases in, that whole airport's

1:01:26

one continuous kind of a thing.

1:01:29

that's it. That that's his possessions that he just put on a plane that he

1:01:32

was expecting to be rejoined with. It's not

1:01:34

like they're it's far away

1:01:36

from him. this would kinda be, like, if you got arrested a block from

1:01:38

your car, like, then what? You know what I

1:01:40

mean? Is that car part of the search then?

1:01:42

Or, you know, you weren't in the car

1:01:44

though? kinda one of those things.

1:01:46

So they said the

1:01:48

government bears the initial burden

1:01:50

of proving consent on this whole

1:01:52

whole thing. That's how this works. The

1:01:55

trial court found that the voluntary consent was based primarily upon his

1:01:58

original refusal to permit the search. The

1:01:59

trial court

1:02:02

reason that cause he was aware

1:02:04

of his option to refuse, his eventual consent was voluntary.

1:02:06

Like, he refused at first, so he obviously

1:02:08

knew that he could refuse.

1:02:11

because when he refused they didn't search. So then

1:02:14

when he gave consent, they're saying that's

1:02:16

obviously in full knowledge of

1:02:18

being able to refuse consent. That's what

1:02:20

they're saying. So it says in the

1:02:22

court document two competing concerns must

1:02:24

be accommodated in determining the meaning

1:02:26

of a voluntary consent. The

1:02:28

legitimate need for such searches and equally

1:02:30

important requirements of assuring

1:02:32

the absence of coercion. So

1:02:34

that's why they're saying, warrantless consent

1:02:36

searches are permissible because they enable

1:02:38

the police to investigate situations where

1:02:41

the stigma and embarrassment of

1:02:43

arrest or a far more

1:02:45

extensive search pursuant to a warrant may be

1:02:47

avoided. So that would be

1:02:49

like Russell Wilson or not Russell Wilson. He needs to be searched too

1:02:51

for fucking signs of dementia. But besides

1:02:54

him, Russell Wilson Search him for

1:02:56

signs of of

1:02:58

capability of playing football. Do that.

1:03:00

It's not very good, but at this

1:03:02

moment in time. But the

1:03:04

Russell Williams,

1:03:06

the Canadian and then the Canadian BTK that I call him up

1:03:08

there. He when

1:03:10

they had him in the in the

1:03:12

box there, Once he admitted

1:03:14

it all, he said go

1:03:16

he told the cops to search the his

1:03:18

house just he he was trying to keep

1:03:20

it, let the least amount of embarrassment

1:03:23

for his wife and can you keep it low key and all that?

1:03:25

So that's what they're kinda saying here. They

1:03:27

said consent searches are a part of the

1:03:29

standard investigatory techniques. of

1:03:31

law enforcement agencies. It normally they

1:03:34

normally occur on the highway or in a

1:03:36

person's home or office. And under the

1:03:38

informal and

1:03:40

unstructured conditions, So they said

1:03:42

in the present case, the competing

1:03:44

concern of the policy is less

1:03:46

significant than under normal consent

1:03:48

search conditions. Rotham was arrested in handcuffs and had been in

1:03:50

camonocado. It had been in in

1:03:52

camonocado custody for some time

1:03:54

when he opened

1:03:56

the bags. he was by

1:03:58

no means in an informal atmosphere or on familiar grounds,

1:04:00

rather he was arrested, handcuffed,

1:04:04

isolated in a strange place given a formal Miranda

1:04:06

warning that interrogated by

1:04:08

three officers over a period of

1:04:11

approximately two hours. such an

1:04:14

environment is akin to the

1:04:16

specter of incommunichado police

1:04:18

interrogation in some remote

1:04:20

station house. they said, and this

1:04:22

is squarely in opposition to the questioning

1:04:24

environment contemplated when searches are

1:04:26

held to be permissible. So,

1:04:30

the psychological atmosphere in which the

1:04:32

content consent is obtained is a

1:04:34

critical factor in the determination of

1:04:37

Voluntaryness and they said that in looking at the

1:04:39

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1:04:42

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1:04:44

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So

1:05:58

they said that we are compelled to

1:06:00

hold that the consent was not voluntary

1:06:02

because it was systematically,

1:06:06

psychologically coerced.

1:06:08

So they he said they said moreover, this

1:06:10

is not a case in which consent

1:06:12

search was necessary or proper.

1:06:16

If probable cause for a search was available, the officers had ample

1:06:18

time to get a warrant. There was no risk

1:06:20

that the evidence would be lost or destroyed

1:06:22

or that Rothman would flee.

1:06:25

they had everything in their custody. So -- Mhmm. -- they

1:06:27

could have held it there for a week till they got a

1:06:29

warrant and then searched it. Time is not of

1:06:31

the essence. Mhmm. Of the essence.

1:06:33

It's not like sometimes it's different when you have, like,

1:06:35

you know, did you kidnap that child? And is she

1:06:38

still tied up in the basement? Where's the fucking

1:06:40

basement? That's not one of

1:06:42

these situations. It's a fucking

1:06:44

suitcase full of weed. It's still a suitcase full of weed a

1:06:46

week from now. And he's arrested on

1:06:48

attacking a a federal

1:06:50

officer. He he's not gonna

1:06:52

go anywhere. No. Right. Absolutely not. So they said in

1:06:54

short, there was no justification for the

1:06:56

course of officials tactics which produced

1:06:58

this consent.

1:07:00

said the trial court found the deputy had probable cause to

1:07:03

arrest arrest Rothman. We agree.

1:07:05

That's for the assault. the

1:07:08

warrantless search incident to a lawful arrest under certain

1:07:11

conditions, blah blah blah. So there you

1:07:13

go. The government argues that the search of Rothman's

1:07:15

luggage was a valid search

1:07:18

incident to the indisputably valid arrest, but they said

1:07:20

that the supreme court held that a search

1:07:22

incident to an arrest must

1:07:24

not go beyond the area

1:07:26

which to defend it might have obtained either a weapon something that could be

1:07:29

used as evidence against him. Okay. If it's in

1:07:31

the belly of the plane, he couldn't have done that.

1:07:33

So that's what they're saying. He

1:07:36

didn't have his luggage with him. It had been checked with the airline. He

1:07:38

was immobilized, so the search can't

1:07:40

be justified on grounds of protecting

1:07:44

the officer. or preserving evidence,

1:07:46

and there you go.

1:07:48

So they said there's an obvious

1:07:50

danger nonetheless that

1:07:52

the screening of the passengers and their carrying on luggage for weapons and

1:07:55

explosives will be subverted into a general

1:07:57

search of for evidence of

1:08:00

crime. If this occurs, courts will exclude the evidence

1:08:02

obtained. So this they're

1:08:04

saying here is they're

1:08:06

using the FAA, they're using this

1:08:10

airline in a whole different way in the seventies. They're saying,

1:08:12

the only we're only searching you for

1:08:14

fucking guns and bombs and shit that you're gonna hijack with.

1:08:18

and the government should not be able to

1:08:20

use that as an excuse to search

1:08:22

people for drugs. That's what they're saying.

1:08:25

That's what the the court is saying here

1:08:27

is an appeals court. Did this change

1:08:29

the way we do things now?

1:08:31

Because now once you walk into

1:08:33

an airport, anything on you is

1:08:36

subject to merch. Absolutely. That's that's nine eleven. That was -- Like

1:08:38

-- that was just nine eleven that did that because before nine

1:08:40

eleven, they would ask you all

1:08:42

kinds of things about your luggage.

1:08:45

They just asked if that that was more

1:08:47

about bombs, though. Did did someone else pack your luggage? Have you taken some strange bag that could be

1:08:49

is it ticking? Things like that

1:08:51

they'd ask you. Did

1:08:55

a stranger give you a ticking suitcase and tell you to bring

1:08:57

it to Dubai for him, then it's like that. No.

1:08:59

Is your bed is your bag

1:09:01

warm? Have you seen it all

1:09:03

timid or placed? Have you heard of

1:09:05

the altimeter? Do you know what that is at all? Did they tell you to

1:09:07

make a wish at

1:09:10

three thousand feet? That's

1:09:12

what's That's

1:09:15

what's happening. So I know now, like, they

1:09:17

TSA is not looking for

1:09:19

that shit. Yeah.

1:09:21

Like, they tell those people Don't go looking

1:09:23

for fucking weed and drugs and shit like that because that

1:09:26

we'll never get anyone through this fucking line.

1:09:28

Like, If

1:09:31

it can't kill somebody or it's made of liquid,

1:09:33

it goes through. Just fucking

1:09:35

put the fuck through. They literally tell

1:09:37

them to throw it in the trash.

1:09:39

That's all they do. Yeah. That's trash. I had one of those teeny

1:09:42

tiny fucking delta bottles in my bag.

1:09:44

Yeah. I I

1:09:47

forgot about it because just grab

1:09:49

my backpack and start packing it, and I go through the last

1:09:51

trip. Yeah. And they pull my bag out. I'm like, what is

1:09:53

this? There's nothing in there, and

1:09:55

the guy cuts. he

1:09:57

opens it, and then he holds up. my

1:09:59

face. Really?

1:10:04

All that. Do you wanna go all

1:10:06

the way out to back out of the line to have this water? Or would you like to throw it out? Yeah. Or do you wanna

1:10:08

ship it home? Yeah. No.

1:10:10

I'm good. Thought in the trash.

1:10:14

they just do have, like, a FedEx representative

1:10:16

right there, which is like, hey, can ship

1:10:18

that home for you right now? Box

1:10:21

it up. It's the ships. It's the ships, babe. Let's

1:10:23

do it. So this whole thing is

1:10:28

reversed. And, yeah, the the trafficking, all

1:10:30

the conviction is reversed. He's let out of prison.

1:10:35

everything is great Everything's great. That's the

1:10:37

most case ever. Grace, thirty nine kilos.

1:10:39

You're good. Grace. Wow.

1:10:44

He's nine keys and they're like, come home. Get

1:10:46

home. You're alright. Wow. Get the fuck out of

1:10:49

here. What are you

1:10:51

talking about? So So nineteen

1:10:53

seventy six, he's out of jail. Mhmm. He's twenty seven.

1:10:56

He becomes one of the

1:10:58

he starts a club basically. It's

1:11:02

a gang at the time, but it becomes more of a

1:11:04

club later on. It is he

1:11:06

and a a guy named Tony

1:11:10

Squiddie Sanchez. squiddie is his nickname. Squiddie. So

1:11:13

they start this club

1:11:16

known as, oh, Jesus. How do

1:11:18

I say this? It's a lion. Yeah.

1:11:20

I don't know how you fucking say

1:11:22

it. Oh, oh, no. I did. It's

1:11:25

dahuey is how you say it.

1:11:27

DAHUI That's

1:11:30

how you say I looked it up and

1:11:32

now that makes sense to me. It means the

1:11:34

pack or the family. It's basically the Hawaiian mafia.

1:11:36

That's if that's, I

1:11:38

guess, their thing for mafia would be like -- Yeah. -- you know, Khoso or whatever this thing of ours. Not Yeah.

1:11:44

Either way, that's what it

1:11:46

is. So it's kind of their mafia word. And it's they also they're called shorts

1:11:49

or the

1:11:52

black trunks. all the time. Okay. because

1:11:54

they they all wear just plain black swim trunks.

1:11:55

That's all they wear. So that's, like,

1:11:57

you can tell who's who's

1:11:59

on

1:11:59

the team That's what they

1:12:02

wear. Black plain black swim trunks. Nothing else. Mike Tyson going out there. Yeah. Totally

1:12:05

into theoth

1:12:08

kid from What about Bob?

1:12:10

Or, yeah, that could too. A little sigma little sigma. Oh, is

1:12:12

is you have

1:12:15

anything other than black? And

1:12:17

the kid knew what was up. He's good. Yeah. So they

1:12:19

they're like, these two

1:12:23

started, and it's big. It's a

1:12:26

surf group. And it's a lot of it is to he says to regulate

1:12:28

local surf spots and

1:12:31

prevent mainlanders from disrespect Hawaiians

1:12:35

-- Okay. -- in the surf spot. So this

1:12:37

is to police people who think they can

1:12:39

come there and surf.

1:12:42

Okay. just because you spent thousands of dollars

1:12:44

to come here to surf, doesn't mean you're

1:12:46

allowed to surf is basically what they're saying.

1:12:49

Okay. So yeah. There you go.

1:12:51

It's it's pretty pretty fucking interesting. Here's a

1:12:53

guy a surf writer named

1:12:55

Chaz Smith. This is

1:12:57

what he said about in Eddie Rothman

1:12:59

in Playboy magazine. In Playboy. In Playboy magazine, he

1:13:02

wrote about the group. Yeah. Eddie's very

1:13:04

famous. He just gets around

1:13:06

a lot. Like, he's he's everywhere.

1:13:09

This guy says, quote, rumors and whispers about his

1:13:11

penchant for violence haunt the North Shore. Brave surfers

1:13:13

speak of him in

1:13:16

hush tones. Afraid

1:13:18

they might turn around and see him standing there and then see the darkness of a knockout. Oh.

1:13:20

Yeah. Eddie is a bad motherfucker.

1:13:22

Like, there's no Last people.

1:13:27

There's no doubt about we or we will never go to the

1:13:29

islands after this. Never. See, we'll

1:13:31

have us fucking drowned probably.

1:13:33

I'm not sure. I don't

1:13:35

know. Allegedly. But I don't wanna make him

1:13:37

angry and then go there because there's a lot of people that'll do bad things to

1:13:39

us possibly. So Eddie

1:13:44

says, quote, The club started because of the influx

1:13:46

of people. The local people are getting pushed out of the North Shore left and right.

1:13:48

It seemed like the new guys

1:13:50

that there was just no respect.

1:13:54

when we started, we would sort of

1:13:56

surf we would surf each spot starting

1:13:58

at VLAN and just make sure everybody

1:14:00

or just make sure that nobody caught

1:14:02

a wave accept the local people. We cleaned it all up

1:14:05

pretty quickly. What?

1:14:08

It's crazy. so

1:14:10

you you go all the way to Hawaii to

1:14:12

surf, and this guy's gonna make sure you

1:14:14

don't. Yeah. This guy's gonna make sure you're

1:14:16

not allowed to surf. So you, like, cut do

1:14:18

you, like, cut their line to keep them from being able to get They beat the shit out They just beat them. Yeah. They

1:14:21

just beat them up and

1:14:23

go. Anybody else fucking

1:14:26

water or you guys wanna get out of the water

1:14:28

now and then everybody leaves? Is it something group of fucking guys who are beating the shit out

1:14:30

of people? Wow. So and they say, you wanna call the cops, you see any around?

1:14:35

So they'll say, like, fuck you. We're doing it r way and go ahead and golf the

1:14:37

cops. We'll be going way before they're here. Wow. And

1:14:39

they'll probably take our

1:14:41

sides. So fuck off. Like, because we're from here and you're not. Well,

1:14:44

they got a deal with us every day.

1:14:46

You are only at the fucking best western

1:14:48

or whatever. You're at the Radisson till -- Yeah.

1:14:50

You check out eleven AM Sunday from the Radisson.

1:14:52

So they're we they still have to deal

1:14:54

with us tomorrow. Yeah. We got a twelve

1:14:56

hour flight home. So we get the fuck out

1:14:58

of here. That's kinda how how it works. It's a it's

1:15:01

really weird. I don't I don't

1:15:03

really going around

1:15:05

doing that. It's it's a lot like they did in

1:15:07

California too a lot just not to this extreme,

1:15:09

but they were doing it in California

1:15:12

because based on this, they thought

1:15:14

that what these guys were doing were

1:15:16

cool because they'd have articles and shit

1:15:18

about it. And then they would go, oh, cool. We should do that too in, you know,

1:15:23

certain places And yeah. Huntington Beach or whatever. If you watched, like, Dog Town and Z

1:15:25

Boy's documentary, they talk a lot about that

1:15:27

in the beginning. Like,

1:15:30

the guys with this Well, throw bottles at you and shit if you weren't a local. It's

1:15:32

a locals only is a big thing

1:15:34

for beaches, you know. It's a public

1:15:37

beach, locals

1:15:40

only. So I don't know,

1:15:42

whatever. So he ends up forming this group there, basically based on that.

1:15:44

By the way, in

1:15:46

Hawaii, surf competitions, even like

1:15:50

you know, real what's

1:15:52

the word I'm looking for? Like,

1:15:54

legitimate, surf competition? Not legitimate, but

1:15:57

another thing here. Real sanctioned. Right.

1:15:59

Serve competitions. In Hawaii, still

1:16:01

most of them, locals go

1:16:03

first. They're they're

1:16:06

the they take the first spots. Yeah. They serve first. It's

1:16:08

it's like a locals first thing there. It's

1:16:10

a weird weird thing. Those are the rules

1:16:12

there. It's very

1:16:15

interesting here. So they started. These guys

1:16:17

would enter competitions and there was a lot of competitions

1:16:19

around here, but

1:16:23

they were like, to public. They were invitational surf

1:16:25

competitions they would have. This was,

1:16:27

like, a real you

1:16:31

know, real controlled environment here. Is it qualified for

1:16:33

it or be known enough for them to ask

1:16:35

them to come? Yeah. They gotta have

1:16:37

respect, I guess. It's a respect

1:16:40

thing here. So he said that

1:16:42

every time, every tourist wanted every every wave and

1:16:44

it changed everything, basically.

1:16:47

It changed the whole so

1:16:49

they had to clean it all up. he said, I like to I

1:16:51

want to be scared of me, but this

1:16:54

place needed it. People just take

1:16:56

advantage. That's

1:16:59

the thing about doing something that's cool. People are

1:17:01

gonna catch on that it's fucking cool.

1:17:04

Yeah. It's tough. And if you don't

1:17:06

want people to do it also, it's

1:17:08

it's difficult. This happens with

1:17:10

some, like, small towns that people find and overrun and this happen and it happens with things. Yeah. Yeah.

1:17:12

It just happens with things. restaurant

1:17:15

that you like, Turner. Yeah. Oh,

1:17:19

I bet. Well, that's but then again, that's how they make

1:17:21

money. Right. This is because all that tourist.

1:17:23

Right. You you get one day a year or

1:17:25

one week a year. Call it one season a year

1:17:27

that people give a about your town.

1:17:29

Outside of that, they don't care. So you better take every dollar you can

1:17:31

get. Yeah. Like Salem. Yeah. Here, they just, you know, it's

1:17:34

a different thing. This is all year

1:17:36

long. So

1:17:38

here, he

1:17:40

does say he is a good guy though.

1:17:42

He does do good things. Sometimes violence

1:17:45

isn't

1:17:47

always bad. Yeah. which as of being

1:17:49

an Italian person, I agree with that. So there's plenty

1:17:51

of warranted violence out there. That

1:17:54

he has punches people. So so he says he to

1:17:56

recounts this to an interviewer to see to

1:17:59

tell him how morally upstanding

1:18:02

he is as well. He

1:18:04

says, quote, see that right there. He points

1:18:06

at a spot on

1:18:07

the beach. He says, quote, years ago,

1:18:09

there were some little girls

1:18:11

playing on the sand. and

1:18:14

this big guy came and, you know,

1:18:16

showed him his, you know, his thing

1:18:18

and he

1:18:19

points at his dick. Okay? Alright.

1:18:21

So you know what? Let's do it in the wrong words

1:18:23

for the rest of it. I think his description of how he handled this,

1:18:25

I feel like should be definitely in

1:18:27

his own words. Let's

1:18:31

do in their own words, quote quote,

1:18:33

so I went over to

1:18:35

the house. He was a

1:18:37

big guy. and he was in there cleaning his

1:18:40

gun, so I got scared. But I knocked on the

1:18:42

door and he answered, and then he made a move.

1:18:44

I've always been a little guy and so I

1:18:46

just go on instinct and pow, I hit him

1:18:49

in the mouth. He and he knocked out

1:18:51

but walked back up and hit the

1:18:53

ground and started moaning. His wife came running

1:18:55

around the door and they called the cops because

1:18:57

I broke his jaw. But when the cops came,

1:18:59

they couldn't say nothing because the guy would have

1:19:01

to say why I cracked him. He was a lieutenant in the army or

1:19:03

some shit. Fucking creep, but that's the last

1:19:06

time he showed himself to any kids around

1:19:08

there. So

1:19:10

this is all Batman. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. He's

1:19:13

my he's my grandma, basically. Stopping

1:19:15

people from showing cranks

1:19:17

to others. He's my grandma, Sam's

1:19:19

Apple knife. It's not bad. not bad. No. So that's he's

1:19:21

saying. It's not just me beating up surfers.

1:19:23

I also will beat up

1:19:25

kid diddlers at least. Yeah.

1:19:28

Also events sexual

1:19:30

pedophilia and Yeah. Yeah. He apparently, there's a big beef in the

1:19:32

late seventies with Australian

1:19:35

surfers that come over to

1:19:39

surf the North Shore -- Okay. -- and don't show enough. And

1:19:41

these are, like, really good surfers. They're known

1:19:43

surfers, but they don't show the respect

1:19:45

to the Hawaiian, so there's a

1:19:47

lot of beef between the

1:19:49

black trunks and the Aussie surfers. Yeah. You told me Australians

1:19:52

aren't No.

1:19:56

They're just leaving Foster's cans floating

1:19:58

everywhere and shit. That's amazing. That's millions. Perhaps

1:20:02

it's just a language barrier because some of their language

1:20:05

does sound aggressive. It sounds maybe

1:20:07

that's all it is. Maybe it is. Or maybe

1:20:09

they're just they were being a little trashy, and

1:20:11

that's it's possible. the Australia

1:20:14

is basically Florida with the with a with an accent. So It's Florida Hawaii.

1:20:16

It's Florida Hawaii. Yeah. Just a lot

1:20:18

of flip flops and a lot of

1:20:23

shirts on a lot of shirts. Yeah. Well, I don't know shirts and

1:20:25

it's I've gotten that vibe. And when I

1:20:27

ask our Aussie listeners once in

1:20:29

a while, they say it

1:20:31

sounds exactly Florida sounds like like a

1:20:33

lot of a lot of Australia. Australia. Yeah. It's pretty crazy there. So apparently,

1:20:36

there's a surfer

1:20:39

named rabbit Bartholomew which

1:20:41

is a hilarious name. That sounds

1:20:43

made up. Yeah. Rabate Bartholomew. I did not

1:20:45

make that up, I promise. And I guess

1:20:48

the Eddie was

1:20:51

threatening him and all these other surfers and I

1:20:53

guess rabbits have like a known respected surfer

1:20:55

because they weren't showing enough respect

1:20:57

to the local surfers

1:21:00

in Hawaii. Jesus Christ. Back in this is

1:21:02

late nineteen seventy nine, Australian surfers in the

1:21:04

black shorts there, they

1:21:07

were they were fighting. and

1:21:09

I guess after a bunch

1:21:11

of harassment from what they called it,

1:21:13

Australian servers in Oahu in Oahu basically,

1:21:16

they they they

1:21:18

they rented out a condominium complex with

1:21:21

security guards -- Mhmm. --

1:21:23

to protect that, basically. Yeah.

1:21:26

One of the surfers said they all got into fights in the water and so on. And

1:21:32

they were at

1:21:34

some point, they the Hawaiian

1:21:36

surfers that weren't part of the black shorts

1:21:38

were worried that, like, hey, we're not gonna

1:21:40

have any, like, international competitions here and

1:21:43

shit anymore. If these guys are if no one's if everyone's afraid to come here, that's

1:21:47

not gonna work. You know?

1:21:49

So Just flew halfway around the fucking world. Yeah. Like, this is crazy.

1:21:51

So they they ended

1:21:54

up getting a truce from

1:21:57

the black shorts based on some certain, you know, things they're gonna do and

1:21:59

be respectful and let

1:22:02

them that's how

1:22:04

the that's how the rules of

1:22:06

locals get to go first and the competitions and all that kind of shit started. It was based on this. Like, we won't

1:22:08

beat you up,

1:22:11

but you understand that you

1:22:13

get leftovers of whatever we don't want. The the water world. The water

1:22:15

wars of nineteen seventy fucking seventy

1:22:18

nine water wars. Yeah. Kevin

1:22:22

Coster was involved. He was floating around, looking for waves. One eyed man on the jet ski. Dude, that,

1:22:24

Coster. So

1:22:29

there's a guy named Ian Cairns, and we'll hear

1:22:31

from him plenty later on. Yeah. CAIRNS

1:22:36

Cairns. Yeah. I guess. I

1:22:38

don't know. Iain Iain traveled to Hawaii. He's been back and

1:22:41

forth. And later

1:22:43

on, he'll have whenever he goes

1:22:46

to Hawaii, he has an undercover police officer remain with him because he'll hey. He pisses

1:22:48

quite a few

1:22:51

people off here. So he

1:22:53

wrote an article in the Sydney Australia Daily Telegraph in

1:22:55

December nineteen seventy seven.

1:23:00

Mhmm. He said that the black shorts

1:23:02

had harassed Australian surfer, Peter Townsend. I don't think it's it's

1:23:04

not I want you to

1:23:06

show me the way Peter Townsend.

1:23:10

I don't think it's at Pete Townsend probably.

1:23:12

He comes alive and then he surfs.

1:23:14

That's how it's what he does.

1:23:17

He sold four million copies of his album and

1:23:19

was a great surfer that year. He really did a lot. Love the Hank then. Why why why why why

1:23:21

why why is this this great? This

1:23:23

makes me wanna surf. So

1:23:27

did they say that this

1:23:29

caused him to lose a

1:23:32

contest? And he says that the

1:23:34

next year, the in Karen's when he went back to Hawaii, started getting

1:23:36

death threats. I don't know. I'm sorry. This

1:23:38

was the surfer that got death threats. He's

1:23:40

the surfer said it got to the point

1:23:42

where I had a baseball bat in my

1:23:45

board cover and a shotgun in

1:23:47

my car. I mean, yeah, to protect against

1:23:49

surfers who don't want you to surf. That's

1:23:52

the most. It's

1:23:54

supposed to be, like, the, hey, bro, like, the most laid

1:23:56

back chill thing, and you're, like, I gotta hold

1:23:58

on. I gotta fucking I gotta

1:24:00

arm up here. Like, I I picture any surfers. off

1:24:02

of going to the fucking surf. In the middle of a cove waiting on a waiting

1:24:07

on a wave. I it's I it's

1:24:10

almost a nice off for the other person to get the wave. What are you talking about? We need

1:24:12

it for the

1:24:15

next one. Yeah. What conversations could you be

1:24:17

having? Right. It's pretty. I'm pretty stoned. So are you? That's the

1:24:19

only conversations. I

1:24:22

don't know. I watched forgetting Sarah Marshall. There was a lot of of conversation

1:24:24

out there. There is a well,

1:24:26

one of the guys that we'll talk

1:24:28

about later on is was in

1:24:31

forgetting Sarah Marshall actually. Really? he

1:24:33

gets I got cast in it. Yeah. guys end and kinda

1:24:35

in with and the they become famous.

1:24:40

So this guy with a shotgun, he says, I mean, I'm

1:24:42

just a surfer. I'm not into drugs. I didn't do anything illegal. Why

1:24:45

am I up to

1:24:47

my neck in trouble? Like,

1:24:49

what the fuck is going on? Yeah. I'm not a drug dealer. I shouldn't have to walk

1:24:51

around with a shotgun and a baseball bat. What are the

1:24:54

twelve gauge on my

1:24:56

car? Yeah. Right? So the writer that Karen's

1:24:58

guy, he says that he is concerned for surfing's image.

1:25:00

He says, I know a lot of young

1:25:02

surfers who won't even go to Hawaii.

1:25:06

at that time. Yeah. He said people of my

1:25:08

era, Pete Townsend, rabbit Bartholomew,

1:25:11

Mark Richards have fought long and

1:25:13

hard to get surfing to the

1:25:15

stage where mothers think it's respectable and encourage their kids to do

1:25:17

it, but these guys are dragging it

1:25:19

down into the gutter. So

1:25:24

into the gutter. No.

1:25:26

Who has ever thought that

1:25:29

that surfing

1:25:31

is a lucrative career. You know,

1:25:33

like, wow. I mean, you'd

1:25:35

have to grow up

1:25:37

in Hawaii. On those are

1:25:39

probably fifteen guys do it and make money to live their

1:25:41

life. I mean, I was gonna say

1:25:43

it's kinda like

1:25:46

skateboarding, but at least skateboarding, you don't have to live in one of,

1:25:48

like, four places in the world that have oceans

1:25:50

that you could do this. On a skateboarding, you

1:25:52

need, like, some concrete or

1:25:54

a ramp, and you're fine. Whereas You

1:25:56

could do that. You could build one

1:25:58

indoors if you really have to. Yeah. Where is The climate

1:25:59

controlled.

1:25:59

Surface is

1:26:02

kinda get really geographically dependent there. And

1:26:05

luck of the season whether there's

1:26:07

swells or not. Like, what

1:26:09

if the waves just aren't happening?

1:26:11

Jimmy, I'll tell you when I was a little kid growing up in Wappingers Falls,

1:26:14

New York there. I I wanted

1:26:16

to be a surfer

1:26:18

more than anything, but the waves on the Hudson

1:26:20

just couldn't I I never couldn't

1:26:22

sustain it. Well, I never got the

1:26:25

skills I needed to. on the waves of

1:26:27

the Hudson River that to sustain my abilities,

1:26:29

never learn to ride the big ones,

1:26:31

you know. It just never worked out for me,

1:26:33

so I switched to skateboards as a child.

1:26:35

So a lot of sittin. Yeah. I mean, what do I have

1:26:37

more of concrete or ocean? Alright. Well, concrete

1:26:39

it is. And

1:26:42

I'm Sure. Look, there's ocean on the east side of New

1:26:44

York. I don't think it's not surfable. It's there

1:26:46

isn't a whole lot of surfing. They

1:26:49

are not nearly like this type of surfing. It's

1:26:51

not these giant way. Unless there's a hurricane coming then then watch the fuck

1:26:53

out. You're gonna die. Then you're also

1:26:55

gonna die. Yeah.

1:26:58

I'm sorry. right into the fucking Atlantic City. Oh

1:27:01

god. That's worse than

1:27:03

any other thing. You'd rather get

1:27:05

sucked out into the ocean than end

1:27:07

up in fucking Atlantic City. there's

1:27:09

way more disease there than there would

1:27:11

be just being sucked into an awful flower. shooting a montage

1:27:14

thing. Oh, not good.

1:27:18

So nineteen eighty four, he

1:27:20

has a son, actually. Okay. Machu

1:27:22

Picai, I believe, is how is

1:27:25

that right? Makua Kai Rothman is his name. Yeah. He

1:27:27

he is. It's his name, which is hilarious to

1:27:29

me. I got I know.

1:27:31

I know. I That's

1:27:34

why I had to say it like that. It's awesome. You

1:27:36

have to frame it as far as

1:27:38

how funny that name is. It's a

1:27:41

line name. pineapple and spam

1:27:43

on the tourist cracker. Yeah. hey, can we

1:27:45

have spam? I don't know. Is that kosher? Is spam kosher?

1:27:47

You have to read the label. I don't think it's kosher. So McCua

1:27:51

Cai, I believe that that's how you say it.

1:27:53

I apologize if it's not. He that

1:27:55

name means father

1:27:58

of the sea. Oh. And this kid

1:28:00

from an early age, I mean, he is

1:28:02

in the ocean, in the water, surfing, surfing,

1:28:04

surfing, surfing, surfing, and he will

1:28:06

turn out to be a very

1:28:09

he's a guy who makes a living being a

1:28:11

surfer. He's a -- Yeah. -- famous surfer. He's one of the was one of the best in the world. He's definitely a

1:28:13

well known surfer, his

1:28:16

son. Absolutely. it

1:28:18

doesn't help that or it doesn't hurt, I'm sure, that

1:28:20

his father is, like, the mysterious guy

1:28:22

on the island and, you know, involved

1:28:24

in the surf scene. Sure. He got some good

1:28:27

waves probably. Yeah. And your dad encourages you to go do it. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of people who live on the

1:28:29

island that would love to make money at

1:28:31

this, but they probably their

1:28:35

parents are like, you can go surfing another time. You have school

1:28:37

too. You can go surfing on Saturday morning

1:28:39

or whatever if you want. Whereas For

1:28:42

three, four hours, then you come back

1:28:44

home. Yeah. This is it's not how

1:28:46

you become the best at it. It's the skateboarders that become professional skateboarders are the ones

1:28:48

that, you know, drop that a school

1:28:50

in ninth grade because they're skating too much.

1:28:56

So that's nineteen eighty four that

1:28:58

he has a son. Nineteen eighty

1:29:00

six here. Okay.

1:29:02

Now Here's a guy named Fred Hemings. He's a member

1:29:04

of Hawaii state legislature and

1:29:06

a former world champion surfer

1:29:09

as well. he in a public

1:29:11

hearing calls the black shorts, quote, domestic terrorists. Oh, yeah. That's strong

1:29:13

words. Sure it is. Yeah.

1:29:15

Pretty strong words here. So,

1:29:19

Heming's is a guy who organizes surfing

1:29:21

contests on the North Shore and claimed

1:29:24

that the black

1:29:26

shorts demanded that it'd be paid to provide security at

1:29:28

the contest. They basically pulled some

1:29:30

Altamonte hells angels. Yeah. Yeah. Now

1:29:33

you're gonna the mafia protection,

1:29:35

hate to see that beautiful big beautiful front window of yours get busted

1:29:38

people in his neighborhood. Do crazy shit.

1:29:42

You never know. Yeah. He said lifeguards

1:29:44

from other parts of the island

1:29:46

ran competitions for much less money, but

1:29:48

they refused to work at the North

1:29:50

Shore because events that they were because

1:29:53

of the events that happened, because they were

1:29:55

afraid that Rothman and them would, you know, beat them up, basically. then

1:29:57

i'll beat them up basically Hemming

1:30:00

said, I don't wanna hire a

1:30:02

vigilante terrorist organization on the on the North Shore. I hired them because

1:30:06

I had no choice. So he's saying I got blackmailed into hiring them

1:30:09

basically. Also, there

1:30:12

is there's a mother who

1:30:14

goes on the radio in Australia.

1:30:17

and talks about her son

1:30:19

who's over in Hawaii and how her son has a terrible, terrible cocaine habit.

1:30:24

and all this shit. Now

1:30:26

the Honolulu narcotics vice squad picks up on this radio interview from

1:30:31

over there. Somebody gives him a heads

1:30:33

up to it, and the mother the woman's a mother of a highly rated Australian

1:30:36

surfer, and she went to

1:30:38

Hawaii and was interviewed by the

1:30:40

police. and

1:30:42

said that for the past three years

1:30:45

before that, her son and his

1:30:47

friends there had frequently

1:30:50

associated with fast eddie And when the her when he left

1:30:52

Hawaii earlier in the year, the

1:30:54

surfer the Australian surfer returned home

1:30:56

with quite a few debts. He was

1:30:58

in all sorts of coke debt. needed

1:31:01

money for Coke. Also, this this surfer had received a warning from his

1:31:04

sponsors that said they

1:31:06

were not prepared to watch

1:31:10

their money go up his nose, basically. They said, if

1:31:12

your girl's gonna be a coke, we're not

1:31:14

gonna pay you anymore. Yeah.

1:31:15

So she said, quote, I the

1:31:17

mother I was horrified when I found out he

1:31:20

was using cocaine. At the same

1:31:22

time, he said, I'm taking cocaine

1:31:24

and I like

1:31:25

it. Well, yeah. That's why

1:31:27

people take cocaine. Yeah. I like it.

1:31:29

But yeah. You're indebted to past Coke

1:31:31

experiences right now. That's

1:31:35

not good. I do like when when people say stuff that's so simple

1:31:37

and just to the point like that, don't

1:31:39

go around all this stuff.

1:31:42

I like it. There was Yeah. I was watching

1:31:44

whatever the fuck life p d is now

1:31:46

or whatever at On patrol or

1:31:49

On patrol. There you go. Sara calls calls it

1:31:51

PAW Patrol because it's on patrol. So then I always

1:31:53

think of fucking PAW Patrol and that's all I can

1:31:56

think of. And I know that's

1:31:58

not what it is. that's a cartoon. It's confusing. That exists

1:32:00

already. So I'm watching Paw Patrol. Really,

1:32:02

really intricate plot on this. There's

1:32:04

this method. Well,

1:32:07

there's this guy on on on

1:32:09

patrol, that is their Ronnie Dobbs, basically. You know what I mean? Ronnie

1:32:12

Dobbs is Yalla brutalizing

1:32:14

me. That guy from mister

1:32:17

Joe and run runny run the movie. This guy,

1:32:19

we watched it the week before, and this guy escaped a UHOL truck,

1:32:22

a fucking box truck. is

1:32:26

he taped. He took the police on, like,

1:32:28

a forty five minute chase in a box truck.

1:32:31

Yeah. And this guy was, like,

1:32:33

whipping around. Traffic didn't hit a fucking

1:32:35

thing. No accidents really was avoiding hitting people

1:32:37

with this thing. Like, I don't wanna lose

1:32:39

my deposit. He was

1:32:42

driving like that. Right? They

1:32:44

finally found the truck abandoned because he got away from them in

1:32:46

a U haul truck. He took off. They ended up arresting him,

1:32:50

like, at his sister's house because he parked that you haul, like, three houses down from

1:32:52

her or something. And in the back of

1:32:54

the truck, he they opened it up

1:32:58

and it's brae painted on the side of the, like, the walls of

1:33:00

the inside of the truck, and it's the

1:33:02

guy's name is Ralen. And it says Ralen's

1:33:06

Shaggin wagon too. in there. On

1:33:07

the inside. On the inside. You know how do

1:33:10

you pick up your u wall and it's

1:33:14

Yeah. You too.

1:33:16

What happened in here? Well, he stole the u haul.

1:33:18

Yeah. That was a stolen u haul. So then that was that

1:33:20

was the the week before

1:33:22

last. So then Friday night, They

1:33:25

cut to this chase in a pickup

1:33:27

truck, and they're like, this is Relyn again. He fucking bonded

1:33:30

himself out, got put on house arrest, cut his bracelet

1:33:32

off, stole

1:33:35

another truck and is on the run again from the cops. And I'm

1:33:37

putting a good chase on too. He's

1:33:39

going on people's

1:33:42

lawns. Let's say they had him, he had no tires on one side

1:33:44

of the truck. He was a fucking

1:33:46

disaster. Right? Dragon wagon three. The way

1:33:49

he's doing it, they're just followed him as he's

1:33:51

driving on these lawns and they're like, this guy really

1:33:53

just he's just the worst. He just won't

1:33:55

stop. What a fucking asshole. They're

1:33:57

doing all this shit. again, didn't touch

1:33:59

another car though, never hurt a person.

1:34:01

So they finally get him. They catch

1:34:03

him. They put him in cops. He's

1:34:05

sitting on the ground. And they're like, well, what the hell is

1:34:07

wrong with you, man? Why are you doing? Why keep

1:34:10

running like this? And he goes, I don't wanna

1:34:12

go back

1:34:14

to jail. I don't like it. And I

1:34:16

I don't like it. Oh, I mean, yeah.

1:34:18

There you go. You ask a stupid question.

1:34:22

Like, you have done this most

1:34:25

obvious answer on her. That's it. And

1:34:27

they go, well, what will it happen?

1:34:29

You've that's two weeks a row, you're running around.

1:34:31

What would happen if you plowed into somebody and killed somebody

1:34:33

driving crazy like that? And he

1:34:36

goes, I guess, I'd be the biggest piece of shit in

1:34:38

the world and I'd feel terrible about it for the