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The Holy Spirit is over the gifts.

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He picks out the gift He wants

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each of us to have, and the

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gift He gives us is for the

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benefit of all. Welcome

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to Conversations with John and Lisa

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Baveer. And John, this is

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going to be a part two, because we

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did not get through it in the one part.

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Actually, it could be four parts, but it's this part

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two. Hopefully, we'll get through it today. Just

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see where the Holy Spirit leads us today.

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So we're really actually happy that you can

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join us. We've been talking about the gifts

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of the Holy Spirit, and

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we got through, I think, 3.1 of

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them. That was it, and there's more

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than three. Well,

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it kind of felt like there was that many of them.

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So we really want to

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encourage you to rate, review, scribe. If

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is why we're recording this. People said

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if you actually write a review, you

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might get read. This is LJ Min.

1:07

LJ Min, it sounds like a rapper.

1:10

Great teaching, such great

1:12

people of God. I give five stars to

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all your books. Wow. They

1:17

know God and how to speak in a

1:19

way that benefits others. God bless you both

1:21

and your family. That is kind. That is

1:23

very kind. Possibly

1:25

not even accurate, but very, very

1:28

kind. Okay, so John, I'm

1:30

going to do a little bit of a recap for

1:32

people that are just joining us right now. We talked

1:34

about there's two groups of people, and I'm going to

1:36

actually abbreviate

1:38

those terms. People that

1:41

believe that the gifts of

1:43

the Holy Spirit stopped. They're like,

1:45

we believe they stopped, that they

1:47

were something for establishing the church,

1:49

the early church only, and

1:52

that the perfect has come and the perfect

1:54

is the word of God. And just to

1:57

underscore, John, I do believe that the word

1:59

of God is perfect, but

2:01

we don't believe it is the perfect

2:03

that is referred to. And so if

2:06

you want to know more about that... And that's in the

2:08

Scripture. Yeah, listen to the first one, but I just want

2:10

to reiterate it. In 1 Corinthians 13,

2:12

Paul said, when that we know

2:14

in part we prophesy in part, when that which

2:17

is perfect is come, that which is part, the

2:19

gifts of the Spirit will be done away with.

2:21

However, he goes on to say, he identifies

2:24

when the perfect is. Perfect is

2:26

when we will see him face-to-face and

2:28

we will know Jesus as he knows

2:31

us. That hasn't happened yet. So the

2:33

perfect is not yet come, which means

2:35

the gifts of the Spirit are still

2:37

very valid because Paul... Yeah, but because

2:41

Paul opens this whole thing by

2:43

saying, hey, you used to follow

2:45

mute idols, idols that

2:48

didn't speak. Our God is living.

2:50

We have a personal relationship with

2:52

him. So the gifts of the Spirit

2:54

are very much valid today. So we believe

2:56

that you believe the

2:58

Bible, every word of it, that you

3:00

live in accordance with the Scriptures, but

3:03

that God is still speaking. Which is the

3:05

second group, which is people that believe that

3:08

God's Spirit is still active,

3:10

it's still continuing, it's working

3:12

in the body. He is still

3:14

active. Okay, yes, he is

3:16

still active. The Holy Spirit is still

3:18

active. The Holy Spirit is still working

3:20

in and through the church. There's a

3:22

reason I said that. No, I get it.

3:25

I actually had a pastor walk up to

3:27

me this weekend in California. He said the

3:29

statement that changed my life and ministry was

3:32

the fact you said the Holy Spirit is a person

3:34

not in it. Yes, and we say

3:36

a person, like not a human, but

3:39

a is a person out like a

3:41

third part of the Trinity,

3:44

like Jesus is a person. And I want

3:46

to... This is really important to what we're talking

3:48

about, but didn't he descend

3:50

on Jesus like a dove? Okay, you can

3:52

say that somebody runs like the wind. That

3:54

doesn't make him the wind. I could punch

3:56

you like a box. You can say somebody's

3:59

strung like an ox. doesn't make them four-footed

4:01

because you do this all the time.

4:04

However, the Holy Spirit is a person.

4:06

He has thoughts, he has feelings, he

4:08

speaks, so he is the third

4:11

person of Godhead. And so when

4:13

I hear people refer

4:15

to the Holy Spirit as it, I

4:18

cringe because it's okay. Actually, I believe

4:20

it was a God moment because it

4:22

gives us the opportunity to say to

4:24

everybody, he is a person and he

4:26

speaks. If you look,

4:28

I remember Lisa, I was

4:30

going through the book of Acts on a fast and I

4:33

remember I was so like

4:35

the book of Acts, I just read it

4:38

like last month and yet I felt like

4:40

I was supposed to read the book of

4:42

Acts on this fast. And the whole time

4:44

I kept noticing how the apostles depended on,

4:46

relied on the Holy Spirit.

4:48

I mean Paul made statements like, hey,

4:51

all I know is the Holy Spirit and I

4:53

have been talking about this. There's chains and tribulations

4:55

that wait me every city. Then you

4:57

got the leaders writing, it seemed good to us

5:00

and the Holy Spirit. And this was jumping up

5:02

off the pages all over the book of Acts

5:04

and I'm realizing, wow, we

5:07

have a church today in America.

5:10

We don't interact with the Holy Spirit and

5:13

that's what Paul is talking about. He's not

5:15

a mute idol. He's not like

5:17

what we use those Gentiles

5:19

used to serve. He wants

5:21

a personal relationship and Lisa,

5:23

he's the only person of the

5:26

Godhead that's on this earth. I

5:28

mean God the Father came down on the mountain

5:30

at Mount Sinai and all the people ran away.

5:33

God came down in the person of Jesus. He

5:35

is God manifest in the flesh but Jesus is

5:37

at the right hand of the Father and

5:39

he said, but I'm sending the

5:42

Holy Spirit. He is

5:44

going to be just like me. He's going

5:46

to teach you, he's going to communicate with

5:48

you, he's going to perform miracles like I've

5:50

done because I've done them by him. So

5:53

we need the Holy Spirit in our lives and in

5:55

the church. 100% I want to read

5:58

a quote by William Booth that says... Oh yeah. He was

6:00

asking, he was like, hey, tell us what you're

6:02

thinking. Oh, this might be the problems in the

6:04

future. Tell us what you're thinking might be the challenges.

6:07

And he said the chief danger of the

6:09

20th century will be religion

6:11

without the Holy Ghost, Christianity

6:13

without Christ, forgiveness without

6:15

repentance, salvation without regeneration,

6:17

politics without God and

6:19

heaven without hell. John,

6:22

I can't even tell you how

6:24

many, how many influencers,

6:26

I don't even want to say who

6:29

are saying there's no, there's no hell. There's

6:32

no hell. It's

6:34

Christian nationalism. Get God out of

6:36

politics. Repentance,

6:39

you know, we don't

6:41

need repentance anymore. We're just all forgiven.

6:43

We're all the image of God. But the

6:45

first one needs to have is religion without

6:47

the Spirit of God. Because when you have religion

6:50

without the Spirit of God, you get all of these. I

6:52

am totally convinced that. The Bible says that

6:54

the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. So

6:57

in other words, you can take the Bible,

6:59

you can kill somebody with it through legalism.

7:02

And so we need the Spirit of God.

7:04

You know, Lisa, before I read the Bible

7:06

every single morning before I'm Holy Spirit, please

7:08

reveal Jesus to me. You taught me to

7:10

always pray. So I'm going to just, I'm

7:12

going to dive really quick into 1 Corinthians

7:14

4 through 11. I'm going to read all

7:16

of it. No, 1 Corinthians 12. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry.

7:19

1 Corinthians 12, 4 through 11. Thank

7:21

you. Because that would have been confusing. Okay, so he's

7:23

at first. Well, I'm actually just

7:25

set it up with how Paul set it up. Now

7:33

concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I

7:35

do not want you to be ignorant. Now

7:37

when it says brethren, that includes also

7:39

sistering. Okay, we believe it's for

7:41

everybody. Then he goes on in

7:43

verse 4 of chapter 12. There

7:46

are diversities of gifts to the same

7:48

spirit. There are differences of ministry, but

7:50

the same Lord. There are diversity of

7:52

activities, but it is the same God

7:54

who works all in all. But The

7:57

manifestation of the spirit is given to

7:59

everyone. the each one for the prophet

8:01

of on the I'm it applies here

8:03

so we skipped over that God wants

8:05

to give. A manifestation

8:07

a reality of his

8:09

spirit. To every one.

8:11

It is not just for

8:13

ministers, It is for business people.

8:16

It is for stay home moms.

8:18

It is for children's. God

8:20

wants to give everyone the manifestation

8:23

of his holy spirit. And.

8:25

It is for the profit or the benefit of all

8:27

sucks. The gift of God and your life is not

8:29

for the benefit of you. The gift of that and

8:31

your life is for the benefit of. All.

8:34

This is to one is given the

8:36

words of with word of wisdom which

8:38

we talked about less podcast to another,

8:40

the word of knowledge through the same

8:43

spirit to another save some hope we're

8:45

going to talk about today at the

8:47

same spirit, to another, gifts of healings

8:49

by the same spirit to another, the

8:52

working of miracles to another prophecies, to

8:54

another discerning of spirits, to another different

8:56

kind of times and to another interpretation

8:58

of tongues but one in the same

9:00

spirit works all of these distributing to

9:03

each one individually. As see

9:05

will to the holy Spirit

9:07

is over the gifts. He.

9:09

Picks out the gift he was each

9:11

of us to have and a gift

9:14

he gives us is for the benefit

9:16

of. People around us and the motivation

9:18

is to be love now and or talked

9:20

about the regulatory get regulatory. Guess which regulatory

9:22

gives the word of wisdom would have knowledge

9:24

and discerning a spirits and now we want

9:27

to talk about the power gifts. Are just

9:29

so tired and the first one on the

9:31

list his. Face. Yes or

9:33

right now. Every christian has

9:35

been given some of faith so

9:37

we all have face. But this

9:39

is a faith that as a

9:41

gift it's given in a situation

9:43

where almost we feel like we

9:45

don't have that ability to believe.

9:48

I'm a I'm gonna give the

9:50

example the comes to mind. And.

9:52

That is, I have a very dear friend

9:54

who's been passing for years and years, but

9:56

before he was a pastor, he was on

9:58

the L. A. share of. Mint and

10:00

he came home one night. And

10:02

his son had been electrocuted.

10:05

And. The paramedics were there, he was

10:07

dead for thirty minutes. He said i'm

10:09

a share of I know yes sir

10:12

and he said. I'm. Playing

10:14

with my associate pastor. And.

10:17

We're. Praying for my son to come back.

10:19

And. He said john. I.

10:22

Was our I was out of faith. He. Said

10:24

and I knew it. Nothing was happening. The

10:26

paramedics were standing around looking to me like I

10:28

was a crazy man. He

10:30

said and I said this God. I.

10:33

Don't have any more face. But.

10:35

I know there is another faith. What

10:37

he was referring to is your data

10:39

theft of faith and he said i

10:42

need it. And. He said

10:44

john It was like something hit me on

10:46

the crown of my head in it started

10:48

slowing down in when it hit my malice

10:50

I something. Came. Over me

10:52

he said i know was the Holy

10:54

Spirit and he said i looked right

10:56

at my son's dead body and said

10:58

you will lives and not die in

11:00

Jesus' name and he said All of

11:03

a sudden the monitor went beep. Beep!

11:05

His heart started beating and his

11:07

son. He graduated president

11:10

of the senior class in high school

11:12

and graduated Four Point. Oh and you

11:14

C L A Snuff? That's a situation

11:16

where his faith couldn't get it but

11:18

dead gift of face came in. and

11:21

he's got a son alive today because

11:23

of it. Adds up in a beautiful.

11:25

Okay, so I want to highlight something you

11:27

said, so we all have a measure. Yeah.

11:30

We all have a measure and I and I

11:32

wouldn't be here to say that. that measure of

11:34

say. Grows as we use

11:37

it. Like. It's almost like a muscle

11:39

like you know that we all have a

11:41

measure of faith that you could almost see

11:43

the bury your faith as the top. like

11:45

never believe god Yeah that that you can

11:47

increase in faith. rights it's a

11:49

this was a gift to face

11:51

way said god increase my faith

11:53

so march eleven twenty to have

11:55

faith in god's literal translation says

11:57

had the faith as dot I

12:00

love the story of Abraham. It's said

12:02

that he is our father of faith.

12:05

He had no descendants. He

12:07

had no direction except for,

12:09

I'm just going to go out

12:11

and look for what only God

12:13

can provide. He left everything by

12:15

faith, knowing that God

12:18

was faithful. And I think that

12:20

that that faith is very much

12:22

attached to a relationship with

12:24

God. So if you

12:27

have this living relationship with

12:29

God, the message says

12:31

when Abraham had nothing, he

12:34

gave his nothing to God and

12:36

said, I give you permission to make

12:38

somebody out of a nobody. Yeah. I

12:40

mean, you use the muscle terminology. I

12:42

want everybody to see it like this.

12:44

You've got a world champion weightlifter who's

12:46

spotting you on the bench and

12:49

you can bench 185 pounds, but

12:51

now you've got 225. And as you start

12:53

lifting, you're out of strength, but

12:56

that guy grabs it and helps you lift it up.

12:58

That's the gift of faith. So in other

13:01

words, yeah, I remember when I first started weightlifting,

13:03

I could only do 95 pounds, but

13:06

then I got up to 185 and I got stuck. And

13:08

I remember some pastors helping me. They put

13:10

225 on. They helped me

13:12

get up. That's like the gift of

13:14

faith. We should be growing in our

13:16

faith. That comes by spending time in

13:18

the word, obedience to God, serving.

13:21

So you're saying this is over and above. This

13:23

is when I need that extra. It's considered like

13:25

you've got something heavy on top of you and

13:27

you're with all your might trying to push it

13:30

off you so you can get free from it.

13:32

And somebody else comes in and picks it up

13:34

and you get out from underneath that weight.

13:36

That's the gift of faith. I

13:39

believe you have the gift of faith

13:41

because I have watched you have faith

13:43

to do things in and through our

13:46

organization that I didn't even have faith

13:48

for. And I've seen you impart

13:51

that to our team in prayer, in Clarity,

13:54

in strength, where we pray

13:56

into something that you have

13:58

the faith for. And then

14:00

we are at our. Our. Faith are

14:02

natural say to your gift to face. I've seen that

14:04

have what. I remember the first time I

14:06

said to you all were going give away

14:08

two hundred fifty thousand bucks this year to

14:10

pastors oversee. Go. Back further the when you said let's

14:13

give way more books and we sell every year and

14:15

I was like that is the stupidest thing ever for

14:17

her to my life. But the whole time

14:19

I'm saying that Lisa. I'm. Trembling.

14:22

But. Yet. Deep. Inside, I

14:24

know we were going to do it. And

14:26

that deep inside we know we're going to

14:29

do it. That's big gift to say. even

14:31

though I'm trembling even though I'm like, how

14:33

in the world are we ever gonna do

14:35

this? I just knew. Were going

14:37

to do it and that gift to

14:40

say I will say yes that is

14:42

something is operated I realized that my

14:44

life for the benefit of the kingdom

14:46

because it is hop Messenger international go

14:48

to work God wanted us to go

14:50

to pioneer and disciple know that the

14:52

nascent with in the same. Same.

14:54

Light. I've seen you walk in that

14:56

gift of the discerning of spirits and

14:58

other gifts. word of wisdom and so.

15:01

Why? Does God do this? So we

15:03

depend on each other And I will say

15:06

this: Lisa I I do know that. God.

15:08

One day showed me work. I've

15:11

given you the say for that, but that doesn't mean

15:13

your team necessarily has it. And. You can't

15:15

look at a night owl up. They're all

15:17

like what's wrong with you. I gotta help.

15:20

Walk. You through. To

15:23

get you to the place that Okay,

15:25

let's go together. It's like a human

15:27

beings body. The most important thing is

15:29

we're unified. This body is in unity.

15:31

It's not fighting against each other. It's

15:33

not putting down other members. It's not

15:36

despising other members. So this is why

15:38

I believe Paul sandwiches love right the

15:40

middle of this. And you know when

15:42

Jesus said had had the face of

15:44

God that's after Peters like flabbergasted because

15:46

he looked at a fig tree and

15:48

said it's no one's going ever eat

15:51

anything from you and the next. Day

15:53

they walked by and scribbled up and

15:55

peters like oh my gosh and Jesus

15:57

said hates. Deliberately. Have the

15:59

faith of. Because you can even say to

16:01

this mountain be removed and because into the sea.

16:04

And it's gonna happen if you have

16:06

to face of God. So phases so

16:08

so important. And that's why I love

16:11

this gift of the spirit enough. Another

16:13

once it would be cel. Lives of

16:15

healing is not healings. It's not the

16:17

give them a yelling at the our

16:20

gifts of healing just of healings. Now

16:22

I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to net

16:24

can talk about this one Absolute I

16:26

believe God puts a supernatural ability. Of.

16:29

Believing for ceiling. In.

16:32

People and it's different. For.

16:35

Example. I don't know why,

16:37

but it seems every time somebody has something really

16:39

wrong with their back and I pray for him.

16:42

To. Get healed and it's like I've got

16:44

this this this belief that I know

16:46

people them he be get healed but

16:48

what I. Have seen

16:50

a new. Is people getting

16:52

pregnant? I. Actually have

16:55

because or share this story of what would

16:57

happen, how how how you first discovered while

16:59

this is a gift of the spirit in

17:01

my life. Yes, I had just had

17:03

our first baby and I was, you know,

17:06

just getting ready to come back to work

17:08

and I was in the closet hanging up

17:10

clothes and I heard the Holy Spirit sat

17:12

way to play spicier specifically for this one

17:14

woman that we worked with. We had about

17:16

three hundred employees that we worked with to

17:19

have a baby and I thought what, She

17:21

wants a baby. So. I

17:24

was a I was scared John was not

17:26

issue is it sees their it I. Have

17:28

very yeah gearing way out. She was intimidating,

17:30

but she was just quite just very quiet.

17:32

Very kind unaware Aca she's not. She was

17:35

young, And to know I avoided a hard

17:37

to accept occurence and other people that are

17:39

they don't That's like a by say sense

17:41

I mean they they get pregnant, have babies,

17:43

are they dance And so I kept avoiding

17:45

avoiding them when they had knocked on doors.

17:48

And and and let me set this

17:50

up Also she was the executive system

17:52

of the second are powerful person volume

17:54

vs higher net as church yes. Yes

17:56

was also scary and so I open the door

17:58

and it's can I ask. My question

18:00

and she said. Like to

18:03

me like I'm not sure about that's an and then

18:05

I said do you want to get pregnant. And

18:08

she just nodded her head. And.

18:10

Ice and before I knew what I was

18:12

doing John to say throws up and I

18:14

just said you're you're gonna hold a be

18:16

in your arms and the next ten months

18:18

and then I walked out of the room

18:21

and panicked as like what decide says say

18:23

it's like oh my gosh what did I

18:25

just say it's. And. She

18:28

said later. I'm

18:30

shadow baby. Nine a half months later, She

18:33

said. Something inside of her jumped

18:35

when I said it. And

18:37

something that had been closed off and

18:39

her life. Opened. Up then I

18:42

remembered going to a Baby sharks and another woman

18:44

pulled me aside and said hey, I need you

18:46

to pray for me to get pregnant like I'll

18:48

be in agreement She's like no, I need to

18:50

pray for me and you presently sites as like

18:52

I want to bring I I'm praying. For be

18:54

bought the get pregnant so. I like took off

18:57

off off site any hidden room and

18:59

prayed for her. And she

19:01

got pregnant and John but so beautiful

19:03

as I was added shirts at a

19:05

women's conference getting ready to speak and

19:07

is beautiful young girl gets up and

19:09

she opens up and she sings just

19:11

I mean just like an angel and

19:13

afterwards from mom comes up to. Me

19:15

or does the girl comes up to me she

19:17

said i'm the go you prayed for. My

19:20

mom to get pregnant with an it was just

19:22

so many years later I was like wait. What

19:24

was your month or take to me? go

19:26

back to the original movie and boost Executive

19:28

associate of a sudden high school yeah on

19:30

how long have they been trying? I wealthiest

19:32

twelve years, Love years and she had a

19:34

baby in her arms. Nine I have one

19:36

month later. Yes. Okay so I think. She

19:38

had that something jumped inside of her.

19:41

And she can see that. My know, I

19:43

want to give an illustration of

19:45

how the body should depend on

19:47

one another. I. Have a

19:50

We have a partner. I was on the

19:52

phone with a partner know I remember the

19:54

part of the text is my phone because

19:56

the partner has my phone numbers. And

19:58

said would you please. Cry from my

20:01

wife and I guess that she

20:03

would get pregnant and I texted

20:05

him back and I said no,

20:07

I want my wife to pray

20:09

for you because I recognize that

20:11

spiritual gift of healing on your

20:13

life would you Member We've and

20:15

and they got pregnant Yes. They did.

20:17

Do you remember it was? I I know is in

20:19

twenty nine team. Yeah, I'm I went to

20:21

a church and. I was done ministry and

20:23

the pastor's wife could tell like you know they

20:26

put on a time limit and the pastor's wife

20:28

could tell I was kind of like I feel

20:30

like. I had to

20:32

rush off and she said if you have

20:34

something back outsized that I I prayed for

20:36

them to get pregnant and there was a

20:39

beautiful young girl. Who had miscarried

20:41

miscarriage and I think gave birth

20:43

to a stillborn and she had

20:45

just gotten so how can have

20:47

as you can imagine broken, broken,

20:49

broken and do members you record

20:51

your whole testimony. I prayed for

20:54

her and she. Had beautiful little boy.

20:56

So here's the thing. We. Believe

20:58

in healing. We believe that

21:00

God is a healing.we believe

21:03

he feels through Doctors. We.

21:05

Believe he kills through change of diet. But.

21:08

We also believe he. Kills supernaturally.

21:10

And We believe that God.

21:13

Wants to heal the there's nobody that

21:16

Jesus came to that he said i'm

21:18

not going to heal you that needs

21:20

to teach you something snug that gets

21:22

to pick the timing but I never

21:25

her Jesus say no to any once

21:27

so I would rather pray for people

21:29

to be healed. I mean

21:31

done. I've seen women healed

21:33

of Stds and and the now

21:35

calling us to ice but we've

21:38

seen that have. A that's another

21:40

gifts appealing the I see on

21:42

on your last because is like

21:44

an Ip deadly. Yeah, and I feel like

21:46

the the gift of healing on my life has

21:48

to do with Legacy. Has to do

21:50

with children. Has to do with breaking baroness? Yeah,

21:53

but yes, And so we saw God

21:55

do that and I still see God

21:57

do that. I had a good just

21:59

last week I was somewhere and of

22:01

both woman to have to be in.

22:04

She said you prayed for my friend

22:06

to get completely healed of as T

22:08

I O is we're as Td used

22:10

to be v deep as as yet

22:12

still you prayed for her and she

22:15

was completely healed. So it I keep

22:17

hearing this so. And we know what can

22:19

I say? One more thing as people. Say what if

22:21

you prefer somebody and they don't get help? I

22:24

would rather play for people and I'm not get

22:26

healed. Because. Here's the thing. We.

22:29

Don't stop preaching salvation because not

22:31

everybody. Response. So why

22:33

would we stop preaching healing God for your

22:35

i'm not the healer. I'd rather. Say.

22:38

It out there and people can grab

22:40

it by faith. At than than

22:42

act like yeah, there's no provision for

22:44

them nuts That's awesome. Or it's a

22:47

vote of the next one would be

22:49

working of miracle of miracles. Of course

22:51

the greatest miracle all is when somebody

22:53

gets born again, literally goes from being

22:55

spiritual dead to alive and we should

22:57

never take that for granted them and

22:59

are. That's why I believe alter calls

23:01

are so important. I believe leading people

23:03

to Jesus is so important. However, there

23:05

are things that happened what would be

23:07

an example of a miracle. the wedding

23:09

of kinda yet to hear they've they've

23:12

they've run out of. I don't know

23:14

if I've ever seen a miracle. A.

23:16

Man of recreate of miracle or.

23:18

Something like this. But this to me

23:20

as one of the most profound. Is

23:23

one the water turned into wine

23:26

that as how bout cd five

23:28

thousand people with to money located

23:30

and and realize noise sense Yes

23:32

okay now. These. Miracles you

23:34

have I think you have some you just

23:36

you just don't remember the I so let

23:39

me member when you had a day timer.

23:42

And. You had. Can. We

23:44

can we bring that one up? Now that

23:46

I was it was your entire your life.

23:48

You have seen miracles can I'm just gonna

23:50

reminds you See, Tells us or I know what you're

23:53

talking about. I left it. Somewhere. so you know

23:55

last lisa you are over eight states you had

23:57

a day time or this back in the days

23:59

when there were electronics. There was no

24:01

smartphones. There weren't even flip phones in

24:03

those days. We're talking mid 80s. And

24:07

everything, all our phone numbers,

24:09

all our appointments, all our calendar was kept in

24:11

day timers. A day timer was

24:14

physical. It was literally a book

24:16

with a three ring binder and they had all the

24:18

days and all the notes and appointments and all that.

24:21

You left at a store. You

24:24

searched the house frantically hoping that you

24:26

didn't, you know, you didn't do it.

24:28

It was nowhere to be found. You

24:30

checked your briefcase, I think

24:32

a couple of times. So you

24:34

were very panicked because it's Sunday

24:37

and you have to go to the state

24:40

wherever you were going the next day. You

24:42

didn't have any phone numbers. You had to

24:44

make phone calls. I had nothing. You needed

24:46

a miracle. And what did

24:48

you and I do? We joined hands and we

24:51

said, God, we know

24:53

where that is. We know where it is.

24:55

We need you to put that back into

24:57

Lisa's hands. Okay. After we said, amen, you

25:00

walked upstairs and there was

25:02

your briefcase sitting on the bed, the guest bed

25:04

in the guest bedroom with the

25:06

day timer on top of

25:09

the suitcase. You walked

25:11

downstairs and you said, John, an

25:14

angel has literally handled this. I

25:17

said, where did you find it? She said, you said it

25:19

was right on top of the briefcase. I said, didn't you

25:21

go through the briefcase? She said, I went through it twice.

25:24

That is an example of a working of

25:27

miracle. And so, um,

25:29

I could give other examples, but I wanted you

25:32

to know that you've seen it before and I

25:34

could give story after story, but these things still

25:36

happen today. And so Lisa,

25:38

we are like literally six minutes over.

25:40

So we've gone through the next three.

25:42

I think what we do is we

25:45

just, then the next podcast, talk about

25:47

the final three, because they're going to take

25:49

probably a little more time than even these.

25:52

And so why don't we continue this

25:54

until next time. So, um,

25:56

that works. Let me just say, okay, guys, I'm

25:58

going to close the. How are you closing

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