Lisa Sugarman is an author, a nationally syndicated columnist, a survivor of suicide loss, a mental health advocate, a crisis counselor with The Trevor Project, and a storyteller with the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI). She writes the syndicated opinion column It Is What It Is and is the author of How To Raise Perfectly Imperfect Kids And Be Ok With It, Untying Parent Anxiety, and LIFE: It Is What It Is.  Learn more at lisasugarman.com. 

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