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At the Coffee and Bible Time podcast,

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o ur goal is to help you delight

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in God's Word and thrive in Christian

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living . Each week we talk to

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subject matter experts who broaden

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your biblical understanding , encourage

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you in hard times and provide

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glad you have joined us . Welcome

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back to the Coffee and Bible Time

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podcast . I'm Ellen and

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you know we often give in to our

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cravings , whether that's candy

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food , shopping in

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excess or any

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other unhealthy habit , and

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these behaviors can lead

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us to having feelings of shame

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and depression , especially

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among Christian women . Well

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, joining us today is Angie Haskell

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, author of the book Sugar

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Coated Finding Sweet Release

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from Cravings that control us , and

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together Angie and I will discuss

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facing head-on cravings

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and purging negative habits from

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our lives to reclaim our

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worthiness and find true contentment

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in Jesus , who wants us to

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make choices that bring true fulfillment

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. Angie Haskell

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is an award-winning author

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, artist and speaker who

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engages audiences with her

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approachable personality , southern

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charm and passion for helping

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women form healthy relationships

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with themselves and others

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. Angie has worn many

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hats with great enthusiasm . She has worn many hats with great

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enthusiasm . She is the author

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of several books for children

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and young adults that's under the name

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Angie Spady . As

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a high school teacher , she was

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featured on PBS as

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well as Kentucky Teacher Magazine for

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her innovative teaching techniques

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. Her paintings are

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featured in esteemed art

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galleries in Jackson Hole , Wyoming

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, Santa

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Fe , New Mexico , and Tucson , Arizona . She reminds herself and all women that God created

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us to survive and thrive . A Kentucky native

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, Angie is the mother of two adult

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daughters and married to her soulmate

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contemporary artist , William Haskell

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. They make their home in the mountains

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of Santa Fe , new Mexico

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. Please welcome Angie

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.

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Thank you so much . It's a pleasure to

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be on here and we've already been chatting

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and I feel like I've known you forever , so thank you

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.

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Oh , I'm so excited to talk to

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you , Angie , because Santa

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Fe is one of my favorite places

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of all times and

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you just have the most

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interesting story and

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it's like all of these favorite topics

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that I have are mixed into

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your life , like the love of the Lord

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and food and art

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and New Mexico . So

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I thought it would be just great to start

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with having you tell us a

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little bit about your story and

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kind of how all these things intertwine

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.

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You know it's interesting

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how God has a plan and we

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sure don't see it coming . One of one of

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my favorite sayings is if you want to make God

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laugh , tell him what your plans are . And

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you know that definitely applied with

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me . I grew up in Kentucky a

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teacher an art teacher in

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high school , and thought I'd retire

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. At that , got derailed

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a little bit and thought I can't

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make a living teaching

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and unfortunately that's reality

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for so many people and it shouldn't be , because

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it's the most important job in the world and

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I was spending every penny I had on art

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supplies for my students . And

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I ended up working in pharma

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for the biggest pharmaceutical

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company in the world and did really

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well , thought I would

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retire at that . And you

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know my husband and I would end up in an RV

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traveling the countryside . You know

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I had it all planned out and

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I was on my way to work one day and

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I was hit by a semi-truck and

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my world literally turned upside down

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. Didn't know what I was

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going to do , severely depressed , had

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a nerve injury in my limbs and

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my doctor said you've got to get out of the humidity

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. And I ended up in New Mexico

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. Thought , okay , I'll

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start over . And boy did

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I start over . I divorced , blindsided

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me and in

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my 50s I thought what in the world am

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I going to do ? And

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God really got my attention and

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I started writing , meeting

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women all over the country , healed

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from the divorce , wanted to go

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forward , love New Mexico . I

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finally found my happy place , and

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I would meet women who were just

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like me . They were

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struggling , they had needs

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, they had cravings , they were

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trying to figure it all , how it all worked

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in being a Christian . And

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I would tell them you know , think about writing a book

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about this . They

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would literally grab me by the hand

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and say , Angie , you

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got to write this . It

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was then I knew that

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I wasn't alone and

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that they were struggling too and

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they needed a voice . And

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so it took five years . But here

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we have Sugar Coated and I pray

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it helps other women who struggle

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or have been struggling

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and to get healthy in the light . It's

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so empowering to do that with Jesus

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.

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Yes , it sure is , Angie . Thank

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you for just being so authentic

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and sharing . This is really

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a tough topic , but

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we are going to look take a hard look at the why and the what we reach for

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to quench our physical and emotional cravings . So let's start with the why

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. Why do we even

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have these cravings ? What's

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going on on the inside that's

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causing this ?

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Well , you know , we know we live in a fallen world

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. You know the Bible makes that very

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clear . We know sin and temptations

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are all throughout the Bible and

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I really think you know , let's face

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it , god put those in the Bible for a reason , to

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say these people are

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just like you . I mean , whether we're

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talking about , we're reading about David

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and Bathsheba , or we're reading

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about the woman at the w ell , we know these

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have been around a long time and

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the thing that complicates

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it , I think in our in 2024

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, is we

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are , we're lacking a sense of community

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among a lot of people , especially

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young people . Community

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among a lot of people , especially young people . You know they'd rather buy a car

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, even , and have it delivered to their driveway , than have to deal with

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people . But sometimes those things can get

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you in a lot of trouble because then

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you're relying on a computer , you're relying

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on social media and

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I've said before I don't think it's

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any shock that one of the symbols

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in social media is

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a piece of fruit with a bite taken out of it . I

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don't think that's any chance . You

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know , I don't think , I think that's planned and

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we can get so sucked in

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, especially younger people , and

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you're busy and you rely on that

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computer so much . And

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it depends on the age . I think you'll agree

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with me on this is it depends on the

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age what our cravings

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are sometimes , and I think that can change

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a lot . And so

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then it's . It's what I interviewed

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almost a thousand women when

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I wrote Sugar Coated . It was amazing

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the changes and the differences

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in cravings and

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my my point of writing the

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book is let's stop the cravings

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before they turn into addictions

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. It's a critical

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crossroad that no one's been talking

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about and it's

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pretty raw and real , but we've got to do it .

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Yeah , yeah . And that's so

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, so smart , because once

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you hit the addiction point , you

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know the problem is just getting that

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much bigger and harder .

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Exactly .

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Well , one of the things

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that you said right from the

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get go in your book is that

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, one way or another , we

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pay a price for giving into our

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cravings . Tell us

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about how you came to that realization

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.

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I talked to a lot of women who

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had survived

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pain or were right in the middle

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of it and so many

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times when you really

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put it under a

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microscope , a lot

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of these needs go back to wanting

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to feel desired , wanting

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to feel loved Very legitimate

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wants that are very

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normal , but they get all

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skewed and that depends

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on our upbringing . That

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depends on our upbringing . That can depend on our friends , who

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we hang around and we see how they meet their needs , or we

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may have seen how our parents meet their needs and then it just spirals

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downhill . And the

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other issue I think that occurs

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, for example , one

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example I used in the book was shopping . I

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was a shopaholic to the

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point it destroyed my checking account

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. You know it was great buying a handbag and

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taking it home and carrying it down the street

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and thinking , oh , how cool I look until

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. But they didn't see . You

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know a negative balance in

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my checkbook . But my

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daughter is a cognitive psychologist

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who writes books about this and

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our brain

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doesn't know the difference when dopamine

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, a neurotransmitter , is released

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in our brains . So whether

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it's a handbag , whether

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it's viewing pornography ,

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whether it's being online talking to someone inappropriately

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, regardless of what those are . Our dopamine in our brain doesn't know

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the difference if it's a sin or not . We

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know the enemy knows that . So

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you combine the enemy and

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temptations with what's

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actually going on physically in

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our minds . It's tough

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because we don't , our

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brains don't know the difference and

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so then it's really being alert

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to seeing wow , this is a problem

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, this is a serious

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issue and it

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there's so many topics

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to talk about in terms of how

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to deal with these . But you've also

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got to get to the root of why

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are we doing this ? And a lot

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of it goes back to wanting to feel loved

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, desired and

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respected . And if you don't have

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those things and sadly a lot of women don't

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we got to figure out how

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to get those things in

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a Christian , healthy way .

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Yes , absolutely . What would

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you say are some of the common

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triggers for these unhealthy

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cravings ?

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Well , I think a lot of times and I

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hate to go back to social media , but

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it's such a prevalent force . You

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know , I talked to a lot of women , for

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example , in their 30s they

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were raising children , they

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were newly married , they

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want , they craved peace and

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understanding of all the pressures

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, but then they'd get online

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and they'd see all these airbrushed women

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who were not even real

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and

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they were thinking , oh , why don't I look like that ? Or I wonder if

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my husband looks at that

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, the wife may

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be addicted to pornography . The

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husband may be addicted to pornography

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. And let me be very clear about this

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for anyone listening , the

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statistics of

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affairs and pornography

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all sorts of harmful

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addictions they're the same

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for Christians as

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they are non-Christians . That

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breaks my heart . I've

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talked to pastors about it . We

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know their issues , no matter if you are

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a faith or not . We know their issues

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, no matter if you are a faith or not . So you can't

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use that as a denier factor . It's real

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, it's out there and

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we've got to figure out how

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to address it . And

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then they change as you get older . When

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you get in your 40s and 50s , maybe the kids have left the nest . And

13:56

then you've got the elephant in the room

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saying we've got some issues here we

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need to talk about and

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it's owning it . You know it's really

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owning it to say I don't have all the answers

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and it's going to someone

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for help who can help you , and

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we can never be ashamed of that .

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No , no , absolutely

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, you know , kind of . While you

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got on the topic of

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people struggling

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with pornography

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, why would you say it's just

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so important for men or

14:30

women to confront

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this ?

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It's a destroyer . I mean , it is

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evil , it is a destroyer

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of healthy

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relationships . Pornography

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is a lot like even streaming

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shows you watch on TV . Okay

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, I'll be the first to say I

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have been guilty of watching a Netflix show

14:52

only to see it go off the rails in

14:55

the bedroom and I'm like what ? And this would

14:57

have been a great show without that . But

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it's everywhere , it's not just

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on some channel you have to pay for

15:04

. It's on TV . And

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then when I spoke with women

15:10

30s , 40s

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, 50s , every

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age bracket here's what they said Well

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, I thought my relationship should be like that

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. I wondered why

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don't I have a hot relationship like

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that ? You start thinking

15:26

down that road and

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then if you think and I had a

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woman tell me this that was 37 , never

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forget it she said , if

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my relationship's not like that and

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I couldn't talk with my husband about it because I was

15:40

too shy then I'd rather just watch

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it on TV or

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I'll watch it on my phone . It's a slippery

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slope because

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you can go down a rabbit hole . That

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is horrible and

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it will take your heart , your spirit

15:56

, in a very dark place and

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the worst thing about it , it's hard to

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get out of . You can . There's hope

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in Jesus in doing that . But

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you have to be willing to own it first , and

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that's why sugarcoated is kind of a tongue

16:09

in cheek title , because

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you've got to quit sugarcoating it and

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say this is who I am and

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I am still loved . That's the

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thing is . I meet . I

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met a lot of women who didn't even know Jesus

16:24

because they felt they were so

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far removed from

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Christ that he wouldn't dare want to talk

16:30

to them , and

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that's heartbreaking . You know that as well

16:35

as I do . Yes , it's

16:37

about stepping out of the shame and

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into Jesus's arms and know

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you are loved , no matter

16:44

what . You know Romans 5

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, 8 , right , while we were still sinners , christ

16:50

died for us in the middle of it , and

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that's the beauty of Christ

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is he loves us and will meet us where

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we are . It's just so important

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to remember .

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It sure is , it absolutely is

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. You know , we have someone working on our

17:05

team right now that came from working

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at a ministry called Regeneration

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Ministries , and I'm going to go ahead

17:12

and just put the link in our show notes

17:15

. But if you're listening to this and this

17:17

is an area that you're really struggling in

17:19

this organization helps people

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walk in freedom from sexual

17:23

brokenness , so I will

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put that in there . Well , let's shift

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gears , because another one of these

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sort of unhealthy cravings

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are the sugar sweets

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that tempt us

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. I always say everything in moderation

17:39

, but it can go too

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far . So why

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do you think these are such

17:46

a temptation , and how does food

17:49

feed into this cycle

17:51

?

17:52

so many times of the women that

17:55

I spoke with that were either

17:57

and it's so interesting because

17:59

it was both extremes I

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talked to women who were severely overweight

18:04

and had just given up

18:06

, or I talked to women who

18:08

had had to check themselves

18:10

in an anorexic treatment center . You

18:13

know , for example , my the book talks

18:16

about princess Diana , for example

18:18

, this was a woman that you would have

18:20

thought had everything . She

18:22

was princess . She

18:24

had every designer clothes she

18:26

wanted , she had jewels

18:28

on her head , around her neck , and yet

18:30

what did she do ? She went to the bathroom

18:32

and regurgitated her food . She

18:34

was

18:37

bulimic

18:41

. That I encourage

18:43

about when it comes to eating

18:45

disorders is especially

18:49

if you are a mom , because my

18:51

pastor says what we do as parents

18:53

, our kids often do in excess , and

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I think that's so true , and I've talked to a lot of women who were so obsessed

19:05

with their appearance and dieting . Their kids ended

19:07

up the same way , to the point they were wanting

19:09

reconstructive surgery when they were 16

19:12

. You know , you see parents

19:15

get so obsessed with that

19:17

that their children end up

19:19

like that as well , except to the extreme

19:22

. There are treatment centers

19:24

to help women

19:26

. You can even they do financial

19:28

assistance , but you have to

19:30

step out and realize there's

19:33

an issue here , and so many times

19:35

it goes back to love

19:38

, just pure love

19:40

, wanting to be accepted

19:42

right where you are . And the

19:44

first step is saying , okay , the only

19:46

person really that I

19:48

have to please is Jesus , that's

19:51

it , and he loves me no matter what

19:53

. So that's a big check mark in

19:56

your column right there . Then

19:58

it's , you know , taking the next step

20:00

to say I

20:02

need to get healthy , and I hate

20:04

to say it , but sometimes it's depending on

20:07

where you live or

20:09

the upbringing . I had someone that

20:11

told me once when I was young that counseling

20:13

is for weak people . You

20:16

don't dare do that . It's embarrassing , that's

20:19

so cruel . I really

20:21

think that's the cruelest thing that

20:23

anyone has ever said to me , because

20:26

I did have to go to counseling . I

20:28

shocked too much , I was angry

20:30

, I didn't feel love in my marriage

20:32

and I was extremely

20:34

lonely and

20:36

I wanted to figure out why I was so mad all the

20:39

time . And my kids would even say , mom , you're

20:41

always angry . And

20:44

I had to get to the bottom of that on . You

20:46

know I wanted . I wanted love . You

20:48

know I wasn't going to find love in a

20:50

handbag and a new pair of shoes from Amazon

20:53

, even though I tried . And

20:56

so we all go about that different

20:59

reasons , and I

21:01

spoke with women who were severely overweight

21:03

and they were just . They got angry to

21:06

the point . They were angry that they couldn't figure

21:08

out why they kept gaining weight . So their

21:11

response was keep eating

21:13

. And I understood that and

21:15

it broke my heart . But now

21:17

there's other medications . Even that can

21:19

help with that , and

21:21

you know , I used to be . I worked in

21:23

pharma , so we

21:26

know there's medications that can also

21:28

help on both sides of that . But

21:31

you got to be willing to do the work and get the help

21:33

. And it may be just picking up a

21:35

phone and making an appointment or

21:37

getting online to say , okay , let's first

21:39

seek out who can help me . That's

21:43

a step , but that's a step in the right direction

21:45

.

21:46

Yeah , yeah

21:55

, it absolutely is . It's so interesting because for me , food and shopping

21:57

, those two things too have like , if I go back and I look at my

22:00

prayer journals

22:02

, I can see , you know

22:04

, over and over again , you

22:07

know , in the course of my years of

22:10

being a Christian , just saying God

22:12

, help me in these areas

22:15

, because it does seem to be

22:17

like two common , very

22:19

common things among

22:22

women . And I'd like

22:24

to sort of tie in this biblical

22:26

perspective of how

22:28

we can be encouraged by

22:31

what the Bible can teach us . Tell

22:34

us how you include information about

22:36

how the Israelites' 40-year journey to

22:38

Canaan was an example of

22:40

God's faithfulness and we

22:42

can glean from that even today .

22:46

Well , you know , the Israelites

22:48

were a bunch of impatient people

22:50

. We know that and we

22:52

know today that's

22:55

like impatience times a thousand

22:57

. Our attention

22:59

span is approximately

23:02

10 seconds . We

23:05

are not a happy society

23:08

overall , like the Israelites

23:10

, we know depression and anxiety in

23:12

this country are higher than they've ever been

23:15

. They

23:17

used a golden calf to say , hey

23:19

, we're done with you , god , here's what we're going

23:21

to worship . I mean , in this

23:23

country today , we've got golden calves

23:25

on our phones , they're

23:28

everywhere , and yet

23:31

we forget the

23:33

lesson there , and that was of

23:35

patience and God saying you're

23:37

going to have to trust me , but you're

23:39

also going to have to abide by what I'm telling you

23:41

to do and what not to

23:43

do . And I think it's so

23:45

important that we think about that today

23:47

. We have to put down

23:50

the temptations and walk away from

23:52

them and get back to the word

23:54

. You know it

23:56

can't be just , you know

23:58

, briefly remembering what

24:00

God says and then going on our merry

24:03

way , getting back on our phones . We

24:05

got to make some actionable steps to

24:08

do that , and that might be

24:10

locking up your phone at

24:13

night and putting it in your car , you

24:17

know , stepping away and saying , okay

24:19

, I'm only going to be on social media

24:21

for 30 minutes , and

24:23

that's it . One thing staggering

24:25

, I thought and it's included in Sugar

24:28

Coated is the group

24:30

that's higher on social media

24:32

spend longer time on

24:34

social media , and this floored me and

24:37

I've double checked the statistics in two

24:39

different ways . It's women over 50

24:41

. I

24:44

would have never thought that in a million years .

24:46

Me neither .

24:47

Would have never . But we

24:49

are older and we have more time , and

24:52

it's just . I was like , wow

24:55

, it's no wonder divorce rates go

24:57

up after 50 . And

25:00

so I thought that was startling as well

25:02

. So we got to own it too . We just can't

25:04

chalk it up to the you know and say , oh , it's

25:06

all the young people doing this , it's everybody

25:09

, you know , it's everyone

25:11

. And one thing

25:14

, one story from the Bible that I really

25:16

encourage women

25:19

to go back to , and that is

25:21

in Mark , when the woman was just

25:23

was bleeding incessantly

25:25

and just wanted to touch Jesus's garment

25:28

.

25:28

Yes .

25:29

You know , we don't know what type

25:32

of physical problem

25:34

she had . In my brain it's like maybe

25:36

she had men , she was going through menopause and

25:38

that's why all the women were exiled going

25:40

through that , because no man had to deal with it . It

25:44

probably differed if they did . But

25:46

but

25:48

there's so many times in my life , and

25:53

regardless of how old we are

25:55

, I think as Christians we

25:57

have felt ourselves saying Jesus

26:00

, can I just touch your garment ? And

26:02

there were times in my life I was like Jesus

26:05

. I hope you feel this because I am white

26:07

knuckling it , I'm not just

26:09

touching , I'm grabbing

26:51

on with both hands . I just

26:53

went through a divorce . I

26:55

feel so broken . I'm

26:58

embarrassed as a Christian that I'm divorced

27:01

. I'm embarrassed that I couldn't

27:03

fix this . Please

27:06

don't let go , just hold

27:08

on . And we

27:11

got to do that . And remember that we

27:13

can , that he is

27:15

there to allow

27:17

us to hold on and he's

27:19

not going to let go of us either . And

27:22

so it's so important that

27:25

we use those stories . And

27:27

you know David was a train wreck

27:29

. You know it's another story . I

27:31

mean , we know that sin after

27:33

sin this man committed , but

27:35

in Jesus , in God's word , it

27:37

also said he chased after

27:39

God's heart with everything he had . We

27:43

got to think about that .

27:45

Yeah , yeah . Those are some great

27:47

, great encouraging examples

27:50

. I have

27:53

found , too , that what helps me

27:55

is having an accountability

27:57

partner , someone

28:00

that I can

28:02

say whether it's my husband , my daughter

28:04

, a friend , okay

28:06

, this is what I'm struggling with , you

28:10

know . Can you just ask me , like

28:12

on a regular basis , how am I doing

28:14

?

28:16

That is so wonderful . I hope

28:18

you feel me high-fiving you , because I'm

28:21

serious . You are so

28:23

ahead of so many women who

28:26

refuse to even do that . One

28:29

thing I write about in the book is called

28:31

having a sister circle , and

28:33

they can even go to my . If they don't have sugarcoated

28:36

yet , they can go to my website and read the blog

28:38

about it , because I just posted

28:41

it actually this morning . But every

28:43

woman needs a sister circle and

28:46

in my view , after talking

28:48

to therapists and pastors , they

28:51

don't need to be a daughter . A

28:54

daughter's too , vested in who we are

28:56

as a parent . I tell my kids all

28:58

the time and they're 28 and 32

29:01

, I love you , but

29:03

my job's to be your mom . You

29:06

have best friends . My job is

29:08

to be your parent , no matter how

29:10

old you are . But adult

29:12

women need sister circles

29:14

who are women close

29:17

to their age who get

29:19

it . And , like you said , I

29:22

mean , do you have any idea how many women

29:24

I've talked to that ? Don't say I

29:26

need an accountability partner . You

29:29

know you and I know that you need that

29:31

and so I encourage

29:34

that . Ask yourself , if

29:36

I were to get sick , who would I call ? We're

29:39

not talking about a husband or a daughter

29:41

, who's a friend you could call ? If

29:44

you had someone you had to tell a secret

29:46

to , that was burdening you . Who

29:48

would that be ? Ask yourself

29:50

these questions . And that's your

29:52

sister circle . Should they be a

29:54

faith Absolutely , because

29:56

then they're really going to hold you accountable

29:59

. Are we supposed to judge one

30:01

another ? You know I have a lot of

30:03

women say , oh , I don't judge anyone

30:05

and everybody can do their own thing . That's

30:11

not what the Bible says . Really we're

30:16

supposed to . If we have a Christian sister , a Christian friend , and we know they're struggling

30:18

, we should go to that person , not to point our finger and say you horrible

30:21

, horrible person . It's to

30:23

say it with love and say I've noticed you're struggling

30:25

with this , I'm here . Does

30:28

it take a lot of trust on our

30:30

part ? For

30:32

sure . But to get

30:34

a friend like that , you got to be a friend

30:37

like that and that's

30:39

not always easy . And I have some

30:41

girlfriends , man

30:44

. If I didn't have them in my life I don't know what I'd

30:46

do . I really . When

30:48

I got divorced they were on a plane the next

30:50

day and said

30:53

we'll stay as long as it takes . I cry

30:55

out of gratitude for those

30:57

women and I implore all women

30:59

find the sister circle . You

31:02

may have to get out of your comfort zone , but

31:04

do it . It will help

31:06

you step in the light in

31:08

such a powerful way .

31:11

And being vulnerable enough

31:13

to share those things is really what

31:15

strengthens those relationships

31:19

. And you know , I

31:21

also want to encourage people just for

31:23

Christian counseling , because there

31:25

are some things like I

31:27

have a Christian counselor and it's

31:30

so helpful from the standpoint

31:32

of there's some things that I just

31:34

don't want to tell anybody that

31:37

I like actually know Exactly

31:40

no , no .

31:41

And it's a safe place , right

31:44

. But we are pastors too and

31:47

sometimes , depending on your comfort

31:49

zone with your pastor , who's

31:51

? You know , my pastor is such a real deal

31:53

. You know he's like we are

31:55

all broken . It's like a mass unit . We

31:57

all come in here on stretchers and

32:00

we all just need to get some healing

32:02

in Madison and we all got to own it

32:04

and I've gone to him

32:06

about things that scare me . But

32:09

then I also have a female Christian counselor

32:12

, as you do , and

32:14

she's awesome and that's

32:17

okay . We may not want our

32:19

pastor to know everything . It's like you said

32:21

but you got to find someone . Life's

32:25

tough and

32:27

Jesus is there . But we got to step out

32:29

of the zone and say I

32:31

may need some help . Sometimes it

32:34

may even involve medication . I've

32:36

had some say , oh , I can just

32:38

pray my way out of that . That's not

32:40

always true . Sometimes

32:42

medication is needed . There

32:45

are things going on

32:47

in our brains

32:49

that sometimes can be a very

32:51

physical thing that deals with different

32:53

neurotransmitters . That

32:56

can be fixed . So sometimes

32:58

it's a combination of all those things and that's

33:00

okay .

33:01

Yeah , absolutely . Well

33:04

, Angie , as we start to wrap things up here , what

33:06

would you say to someone who

33:09

is listening to this conversation

33:11

? They feel like they're

33:13

in the pit of despair

33:15

. They can't break free . How

33:20

can they use your book to

33:22

really like the

33:24

practical tips to

33:27

help them ?

33:30

Well , one thing about Sugar Coated that I

33:32

wanted to make sure that I did . First

33:39

of all , it's a short book . It's not real thick , it's an easy read . We're all busy , I get

33:41

it . The first half of Sugar Coated is filled with women

33:44

who have struggled

33:46

just like they are filled

33:52

with women who have struggled just like they are . Every type of craving and want and struggle is

33:54

in the first half of Sugar Coated , because I wanted women to realize

33:57

they're not alone . The

33:59

second half of Sugar Coated is how to

34:01

Get Well and

34:03

it shows resolve of how those

34:05

women got healthy . There's

34:08

a section on different prayers that

34:10

you can say depending on

34:12

what you're struggling with . I've

34:16

already heard back from women saying I

34:18

have those written down taped

34:21

to my mirror in the bathroom . And

34:23

that , of course . That's such a comfort to

34:25

my heart to know that it's helping . There's

34:28

ways and recommendations

34:30

on first steps to get therapy , first

34:33

steps to form a sister circle . The

34:36

bottom line is it's one step

34:38

at a time . So many

34:40

people , let's say , they struggle with prescription

34:43

pills or alcohol . I

34:45

talked to a lot of young women that were struggling

34:47

with alcohol during COVID . They

34:51

struggled with it . They're still struggling with

34:53

it because we know it's tough to kick that

34:55

habit . You've got

34:57

to take one step . You

35:00

might fall back on that step , but

35:02

then you go forward again . Don't

35:05

beat yourself up and bury

35:07

yourself in so much shame that

35:10

you forget you are God's child , you

35:13

are loved . God

35:15

thinks we're the great world . He's over the moon

35:17

in love with us , and that

35:19

means even when we're screwing up on those

35:21

steps and can't get it together . But

35:24

the key is getting it together one

35:26

step at a time . Stop sugarcoating

35:28

it and get real . And

35:31

I hope women love the book and

35:33

that it just empowers them and makes

35:36

them feel loved , no matter what . And

35:39

then to get healthy . It's a beautiful

35:41

thing .

35:43

Angie . Where can people find out more information

35:45

about you and the book Angie ?

35:47

where can people find out more information

35:49

about you and the book ? They can

35:51

go to AngieHaskell . com

35:53

, so

35:56

it's just A-N-G-I-E-H-A-S-K-E-L-Lcom . Sugarcoated

36:02

is on Amazon and ChristianBook . com

36:04

and everywhere . I'm a painter

36:06

and I'm also a jewelry designer and I'm about to launch my jewelry

36:09

line on my website . I've got one on , actually

36:11

, and it's Aspen from Santa Fe

36:13

with crushed gemstones

36:16

and I patented the process

36:18

. And it's to remind

36:21

women with this piece of wood and

36:23

with the gemstones and I do turquoise , of

36:25

course , as well , because I'm in Santa Fe but

36:27

that you are never broken . You

36:30

are just put back together to be more

36:32

beautiful than you were before , and

36:34

I hope women remember that , and

36:37

so there's a lot going on at AngieHaskellcom

36:40

so they can join and follow

36:42

me , or I'm on Facebook and Instagram

36:45

as well .

36:46

Well , we will make sure we include all of

36:48

those links . Angie , you're just multi-talented

36:52

Such a joy , so

36:55

much I love you already . Before

36:57

we go , I want to ask you a

37:00

couple of our favorite Bible study tool questions

37:02

. What Bible is your go-to

37:05

Bible and what translation is it ?

37:08

So my favorite Bible , and my daughter

37:10

sent it to me , so I'm just like loving

37:12

it . She told me about

37:14

this . She said , mom , check this out because you're

37:16

such a girly girl which I am

37:19

but isn't this

37:21

beautiful ? Yes , I love

37:23

this Bible and it is

37:25

English Standard Version . And

37:27

what I love , of course , about it is

37:30

that you know I can put my notes in

37:32

here . Remember ? I was a teacher , so

37:35

I'm a note taker . I used to tell my seniors

37:37

in high school I'm preparing

37:39

you for college , You've got to learn how to take notes

37:42

. So that's what

37:44

I do all the time , so taking

37:46

my notes , and then I'm also

37:48

journaling just in my

37:50

notebook . But what's funny is my

37:53

daughter just sent me this Arteza

37:55

acrylic painters

37:58

. I love these things . My daughter's an artist

38:00

too , the one that's a psychologist , and

38:02

she actually illustrated

38:05

one of my book series and

38:07

so called the Diva Diaries for middle

38:10

school . But anyway , she

38:12

said mom , you need these . I know you're

38:14

just strictly notes , but I

38:16

have SM for social media , M

38:19

for meme , B for blog

38:21

. You know cause I'm so busy

38:23

writing and painting

38:25

. I'll write something down for J

38:27

to mean jewelry , to inspire

38:30

me on my next piece . So

38:32

yeah , I've

38:34

got a little bit of everything going .

38:36

Oh , my goodness , okay , well , there you go , you

38:38

covered your favorite journaling supplies

38:40

. That is a cute notebook

38:43

you had there . Oh , this one , yeah

38:45

, that's beautiful .

38:46

I got that at a

38:49

place easily defined or that we have

38:51

in Santa Fe , that it just went in and I was like

38:53

, oh my gosh , I can't believe we have one finally

38:55

, because Santa Fe is a small town , but

38:58

we'll mark it . Oh

39:00

yeah , that's where I got it . So

39:04

, yeah , all my notes are here . And my

39:07

pastor came up to me last Sunday

39:09

and he said have you ever thought about maybe

39:11

getting a bigger book , a bigger notebook ? Cause

39:13

, Angie , I see you when I'm preaching and

39:15

you have ink flying off of

39:18

your pen . He said you need

39:20

a thicker one . And I'm like well , I've got a whole , you

39:22

know , sets of them . So you

39:24

know it works for me when you're a writer

39:26

and you know you just have

39:29

to do it your way .

39:30

So yes , definitely . Last

39:33

question what's your favorite app or

39:35

website for Bible study tools

39:37

?

39:38

There's a daily devotional app

39:40

it's just called Daily Devotional for Women

39:42

has a heart with a cross in it

39:44

. It's one I love

39:47

just because and it's just called Daily

39:49

Devotional for Women . It's pink

39:51

, Shocker and it

39:54

has music . You can choose

39:56

music , the mood you're in , you

39:59

can choose the verse . You know

40:01

the plan , the study plan you're on . I'm

40:03

doing a week one right now about anxiety

40:05

. Honestly , I get nervous

40:07

about podcasts and I

40:10

get nervous about the launch of the book

40:12

and so that's a struggle I've always

40:14

had is anxiety . And God

40:17

put that right in front of me and said a plan

40:20

for women who struggle with anxiety , and

40:22

I'm like click , that's

40:24

what I'm doing this week , oh

40:27

, perfect .

40:30

Okay , excellent . Well , we will check that out . We'll include a link for

40:32

everyone listening . Angie

40:34

, thank you so much for being here today

40:36

. We appreciate all

40:38

of your insights to help people

40:41

to stop the constant spiraling

40:43

down of unhealthy

40:45

habits and cravings that just

40:47

can rob us of so many

40:50

things . So we truly appreciate

40:52

all that you've brought to the table

40:54

.

40:54

on that , Thank you so much . It's

40:56

a pleasure and I hope the book

40:58

uplifts women all over the country

41:01

and to know that you've got a

41:03

sister in Christ that's rooting you on for sure

41:05

.

41:05

Oh , absolutely , Listeners

41:08

. I strongly suggest pick

41:10

up a copy of this book . You

41:12

will be delighted and encouraged

41:14

and helped . We will have it linked

41:16

in the show notes . Thank you

41:19

so much for listening today . Have

41:21

a blessed day .