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good dog. you're listening to calls which on and

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and be. If you lived

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in or near a big city in

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the United States over the last want

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to have the gave You have probably

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seen it or maybe just heard it.

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Today is demolition day at Grew at

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I go. High

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public housing projects being

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blown up by explosive.

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All these buildings crumbling to the

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ground in giant clouds of dust

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and smoke. But. It wasn't just

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the buildings that were blown up. But. Also,

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this big audacious dream of social

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reformers from the early twentieth century.

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That. Dream was to make sure.

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That. Poor and working people in

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big cities have someplace safe and

1:01

affordable to live and million American

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family. incredibly human recording of American

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democracy aka day living in flung

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out in very bad condition and

1:10

infected with wrap. That's the way

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the last eight housing Authority to

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scrub the state of affairs in

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the nineteen thirties. That. Short

1:19

film with about the need for

1:21

this then new idea public housing

1:23

to be subsidized by the local

1:25

government and with money. From. Washington.

1:28

New. York City was the starting point for this

1:30

bull. do I? The. City

1:33

at whole neighborhoods made up of squali,

1:35

dangerously overcrowded tenements happy dated for every

1:37

family, recanted April imagery of a plum

1:39

home and environment. And so New York

1:42

bought a lot of public housing so

1:44

that people could escape the misery of

1:46

their slum homes. as that do we

1:49

heard. Just put it. In

1:51

lots of New York neighborhood, the

1:54

projects are defining features of the

1:56

landscape. Tall. Nearly

1:58

identical brown brick. The building

2:00

with a courtyard the seen a stretch or

2:02

four blocks and blocks at a time. It

2:04

was a model for public housing that. Much.

2:07

Of the rest of the country. Would. Follow.

2:10

But. In New York the scale of it.

2:12

Is on a whole nother level. So depending

2:14

on who do an accounting there, or anywhere

2:17

between three hundred, sixty thousand and a million

2:19

people living in public housing, a new city

2:21

that's. That's a population of on

2:23

the south of Boston or New Orleans.

2:26

That means have a high end. Something

2:28

like one and eight New Yorkers live

2:30

in Public Thousand and it makes the

2:32

city's public housing authority the biggest landlord.

2:34

And. The whole country. Back

2:37

when they were first build, the

2:39

project seems to be almost exclusively

2:41

and purposely all white in New

2:43

York City and elsewhere Today though

2:45

almost ninety percent of the people

2:47

live in them or black or

2:49

like the next. Although there is

2:51

a growing season American populations have

2:53

begun, those conflicts with and perhaps

2:55

not unrelated leaves the initial commitment.

2:57

The public housing from the Feds,

2:59

state and local governments did not

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last. The money and support for

3:03

them dried up over time. All

3:05

those properties started to fall into disrepair.

3:08

The projects were supposed to solve some

3:10

of the biggest problem facing America cities.

3:13

Is that they became a kind of

3:15

so hand for all the problems facing

3:17

black inner cities, crime and drugs and

3:19

concentrated poverty. For. After decades

3:21

of neglect by the nineteen nineties,

3:24

More. More said he started tearing i'm down

3:26

in the mouse seeing their housing projects. As.

3:29

We heard. In

3:32

New York City though most of the

3:34

projects are still standing but the current

3:36

state of affairs as as not really

3:39

work of anybody especially all the people

3:41

who live in those buildings. Fonts

3:44

Aqaba is one of those residents and

3:47

father has been to get into this

3:49

for a w and was least radio

3:51

rookies program was go his father. Hygiene.

3:54

Happy to his ear. And father you

3:56

were reporting on the soon story that maybe

3:59

not enough people Canada to do. Yeah,

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so for several years now,

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New York like cities around

4:06

the country, has been trying

4:08

out a new idea, inviting

4:10

pies, it developers and companies

4:12

to take over there public

4:14

housing. On a know

4:16

about move already make a move from

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the for Omaha. The rings have

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so many hard questions until he says

4:23

he isn't an of realize that this

4:25

is really all about money and the

4:27

fact that public housing doesn't really have

4:29

much of the anymore. But

4:32

remember. This. Is New York City. Everyone

4:35

wants to be here but there's no

4:37

space a you can forget it's really

4:39

expensive so lot of people are worried

4:42

that these plans are just a way

4:44

to turn these buildings in the land

4:46

they said on. Into. Something

4:48

else. A system with

4:51

private landlords and a prophet

4:53

Moses and everything that comes

4:55

with that. Disorders

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up a food? What happens

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when public housing goes private?

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A whole lot of the poorest residents

5:07

of America's biggest city Worms Or Biblical

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or or about The Fandom. Before.

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We get into the weeds of all this.

5:16

We should get to know a little bit

5:19

more about his reporting the story and give

5:21

us as of why. This. Story

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is so important to her

5:25

fans. We. Just met his

5:27

seventeen when she wants to be a journals

5:30

one day but rather go see she's already

5:32

pretty good at it. I focus is

5:34

a Communism. All the things I love doing

5:36

of the talk to people I love to

5:38

write and like journalism is is like a

5:41

combination of those things. Are

5:43

you know the a little that and

5:45

I am is good or you know

5:48

the breeder paid basically to be noted.

5:50

Yeah exactly. Good pace of mine had

5:52

to be to see the surfaces. This.

5:55

Crossroads that the city is facing. It

5:58

hits real. Close to

6:00

home. For. Finds her. And.

6:02

Her family. Or that I live in

6:04

the Bronx. I live in my he then

6:07

and it's like a nice a complex. Nature

6:09

scenes for the New York City housing Authorities.

6:11

And basically they are in charge

6:13

of all the public housing in.

6:15

New York City isn't as though you

6:17

live in the might even houses. As

6:19

with a lot of buildings, right? Yeah,

6:21

in the money, but houses, How would

6:23

you describe your apartment? The Zulu different

6:26

was part of. His destiny evolved

6:28

over time like when we first

6:30

moved and the how like the

6:32

generic like the plan was that

6:34

with the apartments and a my

6:36

mom started putting a lot of

6:38

time into like decorating apartments and

6:40

try to make it so like home

6:42

for us to then a faces

6:44

like the site really a c

6:46

still color but now it's. Are you

6:48

only I? Was his third. There's

6:50

a whole bunch of like grades

6:53

and like things in Arabic and

6:55

Icon chronic Vs and also just

6:57

like family pictures on the most.

7:00

Part. Of parents are from Ginny in West

7:02

Africa and along with father's oldest sister they

7:04

came to the those these in two thousand

7:07

and one and the else around with a

7:09

lot There were all of a New York

7:11

business of homeless Carolina even and they all.

7:14

Eventual. He ended up in

7:16

the Bronx living as far as

7:18

Grandmother's apartments so as you can

7:20

imagine it was sponsor or five

7:22

siblings, her parents or grandparents, aunts

7:24

or uncles seem I'm hundred or

7:27

total of off. I have a now

7:29

I would have to like cow like both

7:31

my hands and those a to so many

7:33

of us. Want a figured it out?

7:35

There were fifteen fifteen of a roses

7:37

all crammed into a two bedroom apartment

7:39

and eventually the I believe that apartment

7:42

to and that's when her family and

7:44

that of and the celtics. To

7:46

to. Morello. Few. Other.

7:49

I think maybe for a year I know.

7:51

like that time is kind of like blurry

7:53

for me. Again I have a regular that

7:56

v how long are in their spells like

7:58

a year two. Years. You

8:00

said it. Blurry for you when you think

8:02

about their time. What do you. Sort.

8:05

Of feel like when you think about it or. I

8:08

can. I make songs about it because I.

8:11

Like of course it is better because we

8:13

have more space than like just being crammed

8:16

the my them as a permit for because

8:18

it was a cell to like. It's obviously

8:20

a temporary situation and isn't it felt like

8:22

we are. It's a sake. I

8:24

don't know. like. And transition

8:27

for like a year and a half.

8:29

Basically like we we, we, just like,

8:31

we believe in have a home or

8:33

like any way to call home. enlighten.

8:35

Me and my siblings were all sharing

8:37

length. One room. All six of

8:39

us from one room. While and I.

8:42

We. Could I have a cable? Has

8:45

been in talks her neighbors we didn't know

8:47

anybody on the floor like religious. Here's it's

8:49

like living there and we had like a

8:51

curfew so I couldn't go to as to

8:53

school because we're at the school and it

8:55

as six thirty. Like the curfew the site

8:57

says it. When. Sponsor with

8:59

whom she said her family mean

9:01

to be. Out of

9:03

that seltzer and got into. Public.

9:06

Housing was in a neighborhood and we

9:08

know that will and was a few

9:10

miles away for her grandmother. Live in

9:12

the had to move when a hot

9:15

summer afternoon. Getting there

9:17

was a journey. And then

9:19

I remember like they removed and and

9:21

they were bring our allies like we

9:23

did. Take the train. I don't know

9:25

why it's but we walked all the

9:27

city for my grandma's house to my

9:29

haven likely Walt. I don't even know

9:32

how far like rewards for so long

9:34

as it was walking. like why are

9:36

you taking the bus and as because

9:38

we are hauling like all of our

9:40

stuff. Like oh, And like

9:42

shopping carts and like laundry bag

9:44

slight. So we just

9:47

like walking the whole time. Zone

9:49

is always our obviously carrying suffering

9:51

Even Little Caesars for yeah, we

9:54

all. Carrying sir. Yeah.

9:56

Wow to Maria! First day at the apartment.

9:59

I do actually. How do

10:01

you? Yeah, three months an apartment when

10:03

it was empty said it was like

10:05

nothing there and like. Told.

10:07

Me: I was like so and impressed by

10:09

so sexist. If it were like I didn't

10:11

I didn't Isis like where's my think badge.

10:14

For thirtieth or food is split. Them

10:16

up as I yeah they could take sides. Of

10:18

the you will get a feel bedroom the I

10:20

wasn't. I live

10:22

in the second floor so that

10:24

is this like small area and

10:26

front of the building was like

10:28

senses and is always like older

10:31

people outside talking or legacy the

10:33

dogs. they would always be like.

10:35

Fixing. Cars outside infinite the

10:37

building. This is always honking

10:39

plainview. Say to last me.

10:42

For you miss it is mostly. you probably hear lotta

10:44

like that and whistleblowers? yeah I hear. Everything like

10:46

I am always to him. In and

10:49

Seven Now My oh and been on

10:51

success See. Know these

10:53

services like. People at

10:55

the my neighborhood is is very. Like.

10:58

Okay and they're always saying like the

11:00

morning and afternoon, how are you even

11:02

if they haven't seen you before for.

11:05

They. Don't know you like the always very vague. Did

11:08

you expect them to be for derivatives?

11:10

That a preconceived notions about public housing

11:12

and people with the. Yeah,

11:14

lasers. I. Don't know. like

11:17

when I was younger I used to be

11:19

really a same but I love the Nevada

11:21

or really guy you said be like kind

11:23

of embarrassed about it when I was in

11:25

elementary or middle schools. They're worth of the

11:27

kids. I lived in the process but. They.

11:30

Were like caught ghetto. Like a

11:32

ghetto. I like you're right. Since

11:34

his hit the project I became

11:37

like really like consulate. My.

11:39

Apartment and like I decided to so

11:41

little ashamed of it but now like

11:43

I'm I'm utter non that will you

11:45

send it anymore I'd I think it

11:47

was just like it's hardest thing I

11:49

had. wow he says sites so concerned

11:51

about how people saw me. As us

11:54

oldest immersive. Yeah, I guess that's

11:56

how it. but I was just like insecure

11:58

site. That was so

12:00

like oh, what are they going to think

12:02

about me. You been

12:04

asking? All. The other people so

12:07

when made some nice of them. But what does

12:09

it mean to you. I

12:11

guess this anything like night sir. Specifically,

12:14

my Hasan has meant

12:16

like. says. Stability

12:18

for me and also community like

12:21

it's differ from everywhere else has

12:23

led because like almost everything that

12:25

I like wanted in some I

12:27

would like would live is like

12:29

I'm walking distance like there's a

12:31

mosque that I grew up in

12:34

basically since they down the block

12:36

and it is a basketball court

12:38

displayed and sake we hadn't neighbors

12:40

are actually care about as and

12:42

like I finally got like space

12:45

to have my own room with.

12:48

Other know I think is it like a

12:50

blessing for me? To.

12:53

Suppressing. There's

12:58

a sense of security that power projects like

13:00

on fondling. And

13:03

sense of maturity. The real danger because

13:05

what we said my to has embraced

13:08

him. Private companies to take over public

13:10

houses. And to declare this

13:12

is a happening to our nature Buildings

13:14

are now. my building isn't changing anytime

13:16

soon that I know us. Thought.

13:20

It's all about the money which to

13:22

most people so's up as repairs and

13:24

maintenance the haven't been kept up with.

13:26

Sometimes. For years they are

13:29

way too many nights or residents

13:31

living with leagues, mole rats and

13:33

rotors. Sometimes in the winter it

13:35

there's no he or hot water.

13:38

Even. And some complexes people have gone

13:40

months plus outcasts and all these residents

13:43

are paying rent that amounts to thirty

13:45

percent of their income to live in

13:47

conditions that no one said has to

13:50

live in. Socal or

13:52

the mister on here that does a lot

13:54

of the living of his with the public

13:56

housing was designed recently to fix them address.

13:59

And. Now the Housing Authority says

14:02

that in order to prepare

14:04

everything, it would take seventy

14:06

eight billion dollars. Billion

14:09

dollars with obese. Superdome.

14:11

Perspective: Like the City of New York total

14:13

budget last year with a hundred and seven

14:15

billion dollars. So. I mean. Where's

14:18

all the money for repairs? was the compound. Bow.

14:21

May. Now they're not good enough

14:23

and the government's sound says that,

14:25

inviting private developers and management companies

14:27

to take over. Entire

14:29

housing complexes like they

14:31

become the building managers.

14:34

And they get to collect the red. Knights.

14:37

A can't on that of these private

14:39

companies can and they can take out

14:41

big loans and use that money to

14:43

the motivations. This. Plan

14:45

puts these buildings and a private

14:47

control for the next ninety nine

14:50

years. So.

14:52

He. Probably was I being invited to

14:54

cash in on leases of the

14:56

country's biggest landlord for us as

14:58

we boilers right. right? And

15:01

or Congress has cut money from

15:03

public housing which was created as

15:05

a government program called Section nine.

15:07

They put more money and so

15:09

Program Code Section Eight. Section

15:12

Eight, which is the housing voucher

15:14

program that helps low income people

15:16

pay their rent. Section. A

15:19

creates a subsidy that goes

15:21

directly into private landlord and

15:23

developers pockets. I taught to James

15:25

Reggie this about this. He's a professor

15:28

at the City University of New York

15:30

School of Labor and Urban Studies. Any

15:33

specializes in things like public

15:35

housing intensification. And so

15:37

there's a way that we've

15:39

seen that housing benefit really

15:42

circumvent actual tenants and is

15:44

finding a way to create

15:47

another revenue stream for private

15:49

capital. Same. Said that this

15:51

plan has allowed knighted to ten sex

15:54

and nine apartments. Intersection: A Apartments. They've.

15:56

Already converted nearly forty thousand.

15:59

Public. The thing. Units.

16:02

Into. This private property

16:04

manager structure. And. So community

16:06

that used to be public housing are

16:09

actually no longer anymore. And since

16:11

their run in the projects like

16:13

section eight, the private companies get

16:15

money from the government every month

16:17

for every apartment they manage. Well.

16:20

I Imogen. my to is

16:22

huge. Yeah, it is

16:24

Sarah. Over one hundred seventy

16:26

five thousand units. Him.

16:28

So. He. Has kind of is my

16:30

private developers might want to get a move. as a

16:32

rule they play in a place where with the is

16:34

we are to combo. But. What are the

16:37

folks who live in public home and

16:39

who now have these developers and their

16:41

landlords. What? Are they think about all this? Yeah,

16:43

I wanted to know the same

16:45

thing. Solace for the conversion because

16:47

my building was like in a

16:49

really dilapidated state. That.

16:52

Sounds He lopez. See. Lessen the

16:54

chances houses. In the box. This. Is

16:56

privatized and Twenty Twenty. Our

16:58

apartments like a lot of things were

17:01

like falling apart. like that, had minutes

17:03

and all of that were like really

17:05

old and like they're assholes and them

17:07

and everything Mice and rats were coming

17:09

in through it. We always had some

17:11

type of plumbing issue in our building

17:14

as a senior apartments some leak, you

17:16

know, like it was always a problem.

17:18

So I thought that the conversion would

17:20

help with all of that Islam signs

17:22

he said they sewed residents Texas about

17:24

their apartments couldn't look like with renovated

17:27

kittens and such pain. I gotta

17:29

be one excited or ah, that plagues Seeing your

17:31

own apartment in the pictures and see what could

17:33

be was exciting for a lot of people and

17:35

that was the main thing that they discussed. Ss.

17:39

Sunday was really excited for the same

17:41

this. See. Even appeared in this

17:44

promo video Mensa pets the private

17:46

landlords to other nights or residents.

17:48

It is more important than ever

17:50

to maintain quality, affordable housing for

17:52

all New Yorkers. I would say for

17:55

anyone who's worried about being this place you

17:57

can rest assured that I will happen. I

17:59

felt that. As a resident, Of

18:01

my. Part is the

18:03

name of the privatization program that

18:06

converted Saudis apartment. But.

18:08

These a long awaited renovations ended up

18:10

taking Mom's in Mom's It didn't take

18:12

long for Saudi to realize that a

18:14

lot of the repair work they did

18:17

in her apartment. Pie

18:19

and as Saudi when you realize like

18:21

a regular basis for all his as

18:24

I could have to be visit oh

18:26

the paint was the first thing the

18:28

pay started shipping and like a matter

18:30

these modes also again accruing even more

18:33

than a dead with item. We still

18:35

had plumbing issues and leaking issues in

18:37

the building. Because that was and replace.

18:39

you know or like he a how waters

18:41

are in the winter. Sometimes we have issues

18:43

with that. Still that didn't go away right?

18:45

We thought all these things were going to

18:47

be rectified and brand new when the new

18:49

developer came in and later love. But the

18:51

fact of the matter is it's a structural

18:53

thing, it's a building thing. Recently

18:58

Human Rights Watch put out a

19:00

report that found this privatization plan

19:02

for residents face at risk. The

19:04

big one is that historically has

19:06

been hard says agnes and into

19:08

other thousand. But this

19:10

new program exhibiting people easier. And

19:15

of course the prospect of those

19:17

buildings eventually been demolished and going

19:19

away altogether. As looming over

19:22

on. To

19:24

this does not a lot of the housing options with

19:26

the if that happens. After

19:30

Sounds, he appeared in that promo video

19:32

for The Private Landlord Plus. See.

19:34

A second thought, I was actually part

19:36

of some other residents who spoke to

19:38

Human Rights Watch for that reports and

19:40

I feel like a lotta times were

19:42

afraid. You know, like when we speak

19:44

publicly about on are situations when we

19:46

speak about our apartments. Were afraid that

19:48

we might get over the next When

19:50

Human Rights Watch for he said says

19:52

lived in says x and rates. Based.

19:55

On increases at to death developments

19:57

that had been privatised. What?

20:00

More details, it's houses. In the box. Where.

20:02

Sergey lives. The. Other

20:04

one was Olson Bay Houses and

20:06

Far Rockaway. The. First development

20:09

to be privatized. There

20:11

might be some people at a satisfied and

20:13

grateful. For all the people that have

20:15

been evicted. As results of this process,

20:17

I feel bad for them and justice

20:19

for one is and justice for all.

20:22

That's going to Temple Says. Watched

20:24

as a nice a complex was

20:26

split into one half when underpaid.

20:28

the management. And bonus

20:30

has stayed traditional public housing.

20:34

And. While there's not enough data to

20:36

prove that privatisation leads to more is

20:38

that since. The. Pie that half

20:40

of Brenda's development saw the biggest

20:42

increase in evictions according to the

20:44

Human Rights Watch replays. To

20:46

hoof And if you're having a baby

20:48

like so many poor people in big

20:50

cities like New York we're moving your

20:52

home for full cartoon source of were

20:54

about. Yeah. And for

20:57

my family, that was I a

20:59

constant source of anxiety. He bounced

21:01

around a lot, but ever since

21:03

we landed in public housing. We.

21:05

Have a Hathaway about of and being

21:07

raised. or like if we miss a

21:09

payment by a little bit will be

21:12

elected like I know, they're in quarantine.

21:14

My mom struggled with getting rent paid

21:16

on time like so many other families,

21:18

but he know that night he gives

21:20

you some leeway. you know, because it's

21:22

public housing and are not in it

21:24

for posses. Many by Goofy

21:26

will be some on Aug. Can.

21:28

Be used to. From. Sweden about.

21:31

What? We're habit of you will live in a

21:33

public housing and gravity and you have a lot

21:35

of money obviously and you know know you have

21:37

the one with live in a city where the

21:40

median rent. For. One bedroom apartment is

21:42

over thirty four hundred over move. Would

21:44

you for the do? That's a crazy

21:47

situation of the and because there's

21:49

so few off since so public

21:51

housing residents have nowhere else to

21:53

go. And. A living conditions

21:55

are often terrible. Some. People

21:57

think the best solution is to tear these buildings

21:59

down. Start over eating a building

22:01

so too far gone We outside

22:03

think be cautious of even just

22:06

the narrative that public housing falling

22:08

apart. That sends watching us again.

22:10

He's. The Public Housing Professor. Any

22:13

axiom lived in public housing up until he got

22:15

his. P H D I grew up

22:17

on the lorry side and rockers houses.

22:19

I was born and bred there. Is

22:21

also an organizer working to

22:23

preserve traditional public housing. So

22:26

yes there repair needs yes there mean

22:28

it means for sure. But.

22:30

The. Idea that these buildings are like about

22:32

to come down. I. Think that

22:35

that varies quite considerably from neighborhood to

22:37

neighborhood or community to community. So does

22:39

the game out. James's Point Phone on

22:41

the hear people saying this department of

22:43

own apart because that is a neglect

22:46

and on the funding from global ever

22:48

from federal government and now you have

22:50

all these developers who been in to

22:52

help fix the problem when the one

22:55

six and a move out. But you

22:57

really need to be all that conspiracy

22:59

minded so wonder if oh that neglect

23:01

was may be on purpose like you

23:04

know. To. Get things

23:06

to this point so that private

23:08

developers group up and yeah, I've

23:10

heard that from a lot of the people that I

23:12

spoke with. Like. Brenda Temple. And

23:14

all residents have been suffering

23:17

with months of no heat,

23:19

months of no electricity. They're.

23:22

Scared that this might actually be part of

23:24

a bigger plan to take their homes away.

23:27

An. Eventual A. Recipe.

23:31

Find. A way to turn them into regular market read

23:33

apartments The go for thirty four hundred are the most.

23:37

Answer a lot of the. Vote. This has been

23:39

their home for decades. And. It says

23:41

like nights had doesn't really care about what they have

23:43

to say. The. Moved to prioritize

23:45

or not is not something that residents

23:48

have had any type of authority about

23:50

what so ever. Since twenty six

23:52

teen. Night. Alone has

23:54

decided let's building skull and a

23:56

private management. Animal. In. Some.

23:59

Hands. Thousands of residents have

24:01

seen their homes privatized, was out

24:03

there and put. Both. And

24:07

it's changing the after. A

24:09

lot of resident resistance to

24:11

this plan. Legislators and housing

24:13

officials have introduced a boating

24:15

options. The

24:17

idea that residents can choose booker

24:19

thousands even millions before we progress

24:21

give the full to verify. The

24:24

as I get them the

24:26

say and it's complicated. Of

24:29

others you know, we see that a lot on the So.

24:32

Because it is still these public

24:34

housing residents rarely have a choice.

24:36

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24:39

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26:47

Has been explaining to me that over

26:49

the last year's tens of thousands of

26:51

public housing residents in New York City

26:53

have seen their homes headed over the

26:55

private developers. Them are some people

26:57

are happy with. Assange has also

27:00

been a lot of fuss that

27:02

so recently came up with a

27:04

different plan set of stepping in

27:06

and privatizing more buildings without the

27:08

consent and that if an outlet

27:10

there for the first time nights

27:13

as laying residents vote for what

27:15

will happen sounds. Ominous. Wow

27:17

what a move in the right direction!

27:20

Yeah that is not that say

27:22

for it's because now it's not

27:24

just a choice between staying and

27:27

traditional public housing or having private

27:29

developers take over. And. That's

27:31

because and twenty twenty Two Next

27:34

day came out with another privatization

27:36

our senses sense Rodriguez, the Public

27:38

Housing Professor Tarsier explained it to

27:41

me. The final kind

27:43

of tactic in this overall

27:45

privatization place. Is this

27:48

new? What? They call Public

27:50

Housing Preservation Trust. Sowed this

27:52

public housing preservation trust but

27:54

basically gives nights of these

27:57

new powers. Like. What the

27:59

private developers as? I'm at

28:01

night said ten or that public housing.

28:03

And. To Section Eight. Okay,

28:06

okay so this. Is

28:08

kind of letting my to create a little

28:10

loophole for itself to get access to all

28:13

that Section Eight money. Yeah, and

28:15

it also allows them to take

28:17

on debt. Up to ten billion dollars

28:19

in debt. A lot of it a half.

28:21

So. Under this new third way.

28:24

My. To the Public Program. That.

28:26

Will be able to take on ten

28:28

billion dollars in private debt. For.

28:31

But. Okay, so this is private that so. What

28:34

was that? The creditors who hold

28:36

of it? that from repossessing all

28:38

these thousands of homes. If. Nighter

28:41

can't pay off the debt like out

28:43

of your conspiracy minded again, but that's

28:45

still busy to a place where private

28:47

capital might end up owning all this

28:49

tasty New York City real estate. Yeah,

28:51

And that's a big worry I've

28:53

seen as that were possible. Outcome:

28:56

A Thousand Prefer and a Saw

28:58

theoretical. The legislation offers no protection

29:00

for using the housing as collateral

29:03

in the events of a default,

29:05

and the legislation is also quite

29:07

clear that debt service is their

29:09

priority. Creditors will get their cut.

29:12

As the primary peace before residence

29:15

or repairs. and that's something that

29:17

residents were quite concerned about. Break

29:19

these developers a I in his

29:21

game. You know, out of the

29:23

kindness of their hearts, you also

29:26

said that nature. Can. See

29:28

gone up to ten billion dollars in debt, which

29:30

you know there's a lot of money. But

29:33

these. Nobody something like somebody eight

29:35

billion dollars in repairs or is

29:37

still a huge gulf between with

29:39

his plane makes available and with

29:41

need. Yeah and you also said those

29:43

public housing residents are you for

29:45

hims I've a because be decisions were

29:48

being me without their consent without

29:50

their input. Yeah. And now

29:52

that this notes as program on

29:54

the table, people are confused and

29:57

distrustful. For.

30:01

The last few years residents have

30:03

been speaking out about nights, his

30:05

decisions, Like

30:10

private developer know. About

30:14

how income people. Are

30:19

sort of the minister basically if

30:21

you live a public building new

30:23

city visa this be choices on

30:25

the table for you the totally

30:27

private opposite where developer just tix

30:29

of all the lisa's her hands

30:31

then another option leave things of

30:33

the are currently yeah and the

30:35

third option is the trust which

30:37

list my to stay in tours

30:39

with access to more funds albeit

30:41

with more risk as okay so

30:44

there's a lot bowser very different

30:46

options and I'm a means. There

30:48

are people some of whom have real

30:51

deep pockets who have a vested interest

30:53

the some of these options which. I

30:55

imagine his color in the ways that these

30:58

options are being presented to the people. Have

31:00

any thoughts? Exactly so nights out

31:02

informational meeting some months to try

31:04

to explain the off since the

31:07

Residence at Know Stan Houses. That's.

31:10

The first development that's going to them. since

31:12

I'm a little bit about loosen out of like what

31:14

what are they like Wow. No sin.

31:16

Houses are deep and breslin okay

31:18

and according said a city that

31:21

payments there and worse conditions than

31:23

most nights of development. So I

31:25

went up there to talk to

31:27

some of residents. I'm not gonna

31:30

say just sad about it. I'm

31:32

really really not because I can't

31:34

afford to live anywhere else. As

31:36

bad as situations my be a

31:38

my building at this particular moment

31:41

said it. And living in the

31:43

street I was talking to people

31:45

the day. Before the vote started. Hi

31:47

I'm a citizen Ls and I'm appointing on

31:49

the thought that's going on and like the

31:51

renovations are going on in know stance you

31:54

know about it. I

31:57

barely know or and severely know,

31:59

but. Mob her family has

32:01

not been set a me in

32:03

because I'm very busy. So

32:06

we know this is how Democracy works.

32:08

Wrote both to because his. From.

32:10

Big important vote. Moon does a me or

32:12

by fans isn't. For. Sale

32:14

papers and. Exactly.

32:17

But the people that know about it. Had

32:19

a lot to say about why this vote

32:21

was happening. Now. And what

32:23

am I mean? Seven less A

32:26

Alex? Pretty vile light. Israeli

32:28

behind is and what is the

32:30

fine print says of these people's

32:32

in here for years and is

32:34

like like have you just said

32:36

concern and renovating Now when people

32:38

have been complaining about. It for like this

32:40

whole time. Of what the you

32:42

know about having. I

32:44

know not a lot but I don't

32:47

know a little bunnies. I know that

32:49

I wanna go. Private. Party.

32:52

So I think is better for

32:54

us the working people that one.

32:57

Simple Private: my opinion about the

32:59

vote in i don't says this

33:01

was ill and my apartment where

33:03

I live for the last eight

33:05

years I have been waiting for

33:08

them the come and fix a

33:10

war but it's not much you

33:12

can complain about because look where

33:14

your eyes! Honestly, Say in an

33:16

accident So. When

33:18

nice he would all have the money to pay

33:21

who they then they get the money from. I

33:23

believe that if yeah don't have any money they

33:25

than a put it on the tennis. So

33:27

Adam I a stick with this and nine.

33:30

Hammerstein Other cover every state of

33:32

is also the meeting. The

33:36

Trust. Their the best one

33:38

at all. No Be Causes Aids is

33:40

coming to help them to fix

33:42

everything not trying to take over

33:44

and and voting star small. At

33:50

the information on meetings they've been

33:52

hosting the or read some the

33:54

trust and a developer. sigh times

33:56

explain what I mean of residents

33:58

vote. For their programs. But

34:00

at this meeting no one was

34:02

representing the third option. The

34:05

status quo says, so there

34:08

wasn't a rip explaining what's

34:10

that mighty? I mean they

34:13

have. Was a nights or read that

34:15

claim said these and it's for find the

34:17

right thing. To

34:20

say. Oh.

34:28

Okay but we just heard the proposed

34:30

a neutral party only off road the

34:32

to privatisation problems. As.

34:34

Often forget workers. Know that's

34:36

how it's being framed. That to

34:39

be honest, That's. The reality for

34:41

people in public housing. The

34:43

Status quo. Things things in their

34:45

house say broken. Repairs don't

34:47

get me often. I really

34:49

feel that nice for several

34:52

seconds flat and out. A.

35:07

Lot. So that's. Why you

35:09

know myself or of house.

35:13

And says that though another thing and they're

35:15

only twenty percent of the heads of households

35:17

at the notion housing projects you need to

35:19

turn out for the vote. To be buying. To

35:25

eighty percent of the have a household

35:27

goods of mass awoke. From.

35:30

However, the vote goes best the way

35:32

everything goes for. Yeah. And

35:35

so like you're putting people in a position dissolve

35:37

which is supposed to be democratic in my. Sister.

35:40

Mixer that everybody has the same way.

35:42

I don't think like all the information

35:44

is given to residents because they want

35:47

them to says what's best like every

35:49

basis like giving information to fuel downloaded

35:51

which makes it even more confusing. You

35:54

don't even know who to believe anymore

35:56

like hard. If it

35:58

was you just described emerge. I.

36:06

Mean it seems like. The question

36:08

at the center This issue is. Kind

36:10

of like who gets to live in New York? By.

36:12

Puppet how the most of them as idea that poor

36:15

people get to be right fool. Fool

36:17

residents of the city to but listen

36:19

ac reporting father like it seems like.

36:21

This. Is also bothers fundamental paradox and the

36:24

way we think about in talk about

36:26

housing in this country like housing is

36:28

that once a necessity. And. Housing

36:30

is also. A

36:32

commodity, a financial instrument and investment opportunity

36:34

in the people who live. in

36:37

his night or homes and have to vote on

36:39

this are sitting. right? At the

36:41

center that henson? yeah. His legs and

36:43

cedric as the housing Scalia said to

36:45

me, The. Fate of the City. What the

36:47

future of New York's that? He looks like. A

36:50

lot of that question. Is

36:52

gonna hang in the balance of how. Public.

36:55

Housing is able to continue

36:57

or not continue that. There's.

37:00

So many of their low income

37:02

people who are even a pile

37:04

of that conversation that are on

37:06

years long waiting list to even

37:08

get into public housing. And. For

37:10

some and than. The. Status Quo

37:12

the like a godsend. Like

37:14

a lesser, my family. Who. If

37:17

you had to vote on this to the.

37:20

Work. Would you choose? That

37:23

was one of my vote on. Now

37:25

almost of us like form

37:27

unless and his health. well.

37:29

How. Would you vote? If you could. Eat.

37:32

I saw it. Batsman of the things

37:34

I struggled with the most list this

37:36

site situation because. Like

37:38

override know a complex need to

37:41

appear as like the don't need

37:43

some parents but. This

37:45

hearing about all the things that

37:47

could happen. Is this something that

37:49

scary? You know? Isn't this so

37:52

many different size to it? So

37:54

I think it's highest mean to

37:56

ticketless. Like it sound like you're choosing

37:58

between bad choices? Yeah, not great. Some.

38:01

Effort is the whole premise of the

38:03

Pan is for time a city better

38:05

and people sullivan better conditions. people should

38:08

have feel bad about wanting those things.

38:11

Because. The things that come along with him

38:13

aren't as good as New Kitchen. Uruguay

38:15

kids you get a new season ends have

38:17

for sex. And exactly. What

38:20

has a pit one over the other side?

38:22

One thing I need and another thing I

38:24

knew. so it feels like there is no

38:26

choice. If. The choices

38:28

are between pirates as East and

38:31

fans were nature literally cause the

38:33

Status quo folks are being really

38:35

clear and saying things are nothing,

38:37

the chains and Sixty Nine Public

38:40

House. We're not gonna work to

38:42

increase funding at any level to

38:44

address these issues and so residents

38:47

get put into this find and

38:49

it's in many ways a sort

38:51

of course of choice between dealing

38:53

with substandard repair and maintenance issues

38:56

or moving into a very. Froth

38:58

privatization scheme so it becomes between

39:00

a rock and a hard place

39:02

for residents to make this place

39:04

and I think that's actually quite

39:06

intended. People are

39:09

always going to worry about what the

39:11

implications of this in the season. Faith:

39:13

because they need more than water Now

39:15

because they need a new kitten Now

39:18

because say they want votes is as

39:20

their apartment Now the glycemic Italy's that

39:22

works for them now. So.

39:30

Fun to. How

39:33

did. The vulgar.

39:35

And the and the trust, one

39:37

deval and know, said houses by

39:39

a pretty wide margin almost sixty

39:41

percent of votes cast were for

39:43

the. Is. Going to take a

39:46

few years to see that sex play out. According.

39:48

To nighter and take up to two

39:50

years to transfer ownership to the chest

39:52

before construction and repairs can even start.

39:54

And will know what because none of this is

39:56

ever been done for rape. And two kids

39:59

as restructure? How. The. For. Maybe

40:01

a million people in a city.

40:04

And. Have it just and there and only

40:06

affect. Those. People in. Yeah,

40:09

it's one huge experiment in a

40:11

city where almost everybody struggles to

40:13

pay for housing. What we

40:16

actually need is a movement

40:18

that takes into account all

40:20

renters, all working class folks

40:22

in the city, and public

40:24

housing is actually at the

40:26

center of that great lake.

40:28

The availability of a robust,

40:31

actual low income and a

40:33

working class housing program for

40:35

renters and tenants in New

40:37

York City is massively needed.

40:41

Or whatever have been studied. The.

40:43

Model of traditional public housing. Like

40:46

the kind of as a haven for my family. That's.

40:49

All the going to be an option

40:51

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