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Today on Inside Politics, campus

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clashes. The Biden administration

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is struggling to respond to

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tense pro-Palestinian protests. They're

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growing and getting uglier, with

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police stepping up arrests and

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in some cases devolving from

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war protests to blatant displays

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of Jewish hate. Plus

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Hunter Biden vs. Fox News. We

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have new reporting on a stepped-up

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strategy by Hunter Biden to fight

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back against his critics, this time

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Fox News. The president's son is

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accusing that network of defaming

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him and violating revenge porn

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laws. You're going to hear

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those details first right here this hour. And

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Michael Cohen, Stormy Daniels and Hope Hicks.

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They are all expected to testify at

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Donald Trump's hush money trial. But who

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will the prosecution call next? We're going

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to tell you what to expect when

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court resumes tomorrow. I'm Dana

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Bash. Let's go behind the headlines

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and inside politics. First

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up, the kids are not alright. I'm

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talking about so many children,

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students on college campuses across

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the U.S. Some are peacefully

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protesting Israel's retaliatory war against

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Hamas terrorists. Some

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have been pepper sprayed, arrested

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and suspended when protests got

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out of control. And

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many on campuses, their anti-Israel

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sentiment is blurring

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into anti-Semitism, with far too

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many Jewish students hearing things

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like calls for another October

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7th massacre, seeing signs for

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a quote, final solution. And

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they are scared for their safety.

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Moments ago, Columbia University notified protesters

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that if they don't leave their

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encampment by 2 p.m., that's just

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under two hours from now, they

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will face suspension. CNN's

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Omar Jimenez has been reporting

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extensively from Columbia. Omar, what's

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happening now? Yeah,

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so right now we're awaiting that

2:10

2 p.m. deadline where the university

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has given students the chance to

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voluntarily leave the encampment or face

2:16

suspension at the very least in

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eligibility to finish the semester on

2:20

good standing unless they leave and

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sign on that they will follow

2:25

the university's policies. Now, of course,

2:27

this is one of the most

2:29

concrete steps we've seen from the

2:31

university. After this morning, the university

2:33

president put out a statement saying

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negotiations between the student protesters and

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the university failed to reach an

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agreement after they started last week,

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which means, as the university made

2:43

clear, the university will not divest

2:45

from Israel, which of course was

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one of the central components

2:50

of why this encampment actually

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started here. That said, the university

2:54

did announce that they will invest

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in healthcare and education in

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Gaza, but also they said

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that while they have tried to

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foster an environment of constructive dialogue

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and protest on the campus,

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that many Jewish students just have not

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felt safe, at the very least not

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welcomed, and it's a dynamic university president

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called tragic. And we're seeing that dynamic

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play out even in a new lawsuit

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that was filed by an anonymous Jewish

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student who alleged that the campus has

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now become too dangerous to provide Jewish

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students the education they signed on to

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receiving, in particular, according to the decision

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to go to hybrid learning as safety

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was listed as a priority while the

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university. Now, back to that deadline that

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I was mentioning, 2 p.m., of

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course, local time quickly approaches, and

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a now suspended student group, a

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previously suspended pro-Palestinian student group, is

3:46

encouraging students to actually show up

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at noon to protect the encampment,

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as they have described. They're telling

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students not to sign on to

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anything. And that, of course, will

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be the question of what happens

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next, because the student... the university

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has given this deadline. Obviously

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there may be some students that actually sign on

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but for those that don't we have yet to

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find out what the university will take as far

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as next steps there, Deanna, as

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graduation is just a little more than two weeks

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away. Yeah, SJP, a group that

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has been, as you said, suspended

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from many universities and it

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is because they're not just for Palestinians,

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they have made some very blatantly anti-Semitic

4:29

charges and that's why they were suspended.

4:31

Thank you so much for that Omar,

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appreciate it. I want to go south

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now to Emory University in Atlanta where

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faculty is pushing a vote of no

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confidence in the school's president after more

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than a dozen pro-Palestinian protesters were arrested

4:45

last week, seen as Nick Valencia is

4:47

there. Nick, you have been on campus,

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what is the the sentiment, what is

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the status of those protests

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and the arrests at this hour? Yeah,

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hey there, Janet. It's very, you know, sort

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of celebratory scene here right now, much different

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from what we saw last Thursday which was

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the side of a ceasefire demonstration that turned

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violent. 28 people were violently arrested, 20 of

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them were affiliated with the

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university including a prominent economics professor

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in Poland and 27 others they spent

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the night in the DeKalb County Jail

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were bonded out on Friday afternoon but

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what happened here in those dramatic scenes,

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those violent arrests by Georgia State Patrol

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and Atlanta police officers has led to

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a sort of reckoning here on campus.

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The tenured faculty held the meeting last

5:32

week to push forward a no-confidence vote

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against the university president here, President Fenves.

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Those ballots now will make their way

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to the rest of the faculty here

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at the College of Arts and Sciences

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and that referendum will be tallied up

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on Wednesday but another thing that's happening

5:46

here since really October 7th is that

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Jewish students have expressed their concern about

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their safety concerns.

5:53

They caught up with two Jewish law students

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who talked to us about their safety concerns.

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When. The. People are chanting. Excuse.

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My language in unison. Zionist on the

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Claude Lawn of Emory University and I

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have the same time here. That and

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were told that we don't belong on

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campus. I believe everyone has a right

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to protest. The problem is when it

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becomes threatening. like holding up signs that

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say jews are nazis and things of

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that sort is not at all people.

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Are more art than expected here today. but as

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very quickly I spoke to one of those that

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was arrested and I ask her about that. The

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safety concerns is. About

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them and. I

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were obviously having some a connection issues

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with neck who. Has their out in

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about inside at the protest for we

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appreciate that important report from Nyc. Valencia.

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Now let's come into the studio

6:48

with my all Star panel today.

6:50

Seen Kristen Homes, Cnn's Manu Raju

6:53

and more Up Lopez of the

6:55

Pbs Newshour outlets is kind of

6:57

look and talk about all of

6:59

this that is happening said picture

7:01

mint we have seen. Protest.

7:04

Pop up here and there are over

7:06

the last six months. But. This

7:08

is different. And this is expanded

7:11

and this has caused and Vince's. To

7:13

bring it back to. Inside. Politics and

7:16

what it means. Politically or this

7:18

is causing. A major headache.

7:20

and it's a very, very

7:22

nuanced, difficult thing to navigate

7:24

for the President and for.

7:26

Other. Democrats? yeah no question about

7:29

it the question is what does the President

7:31

decided to the bunch? we're gonna have this

7:33

be more had addresses, more had on that

7:36

he adds. At this moment particular was continues

7:38

to grow. We'll see what happens in the

7:40

summertime blues when college students will go back

7:42

home for break while the building the summertime

7:45

get around the conventions and then the fall

7:47

as there were still in this but the

7:49

heat of this war and were Stoltz things

7:51

have not changed. How much does a grow

7:54

as we head into November elections? The question

7:56

ultimately to is the impact. the says web

7:58

portal i poorly on the president. There

8:00

was a poll last week from Harvard suggesting

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it was low on the list of issues

8:05

driving concerns of younger voters. The economy ranking

8:07

high, the new CNN poll showing the economic

8:09

issues are really what is driving a lot

8:11

of the concerns among younger voters. But ultimately,

8:13

how much more does this become a voting

8:15

issue? And the president and his party is

8:17

going to have to realize that this is

8:19

part of his coalition. And if they're upset

8:21

with his handling of this, that could be

8:24

a big problem in November. That poll as

8:26

well as one today from CBS, it shows

8:28

that a number of young voters who want

8:31

President Biden to take a

8:34

different position towards Israel still

8:37

plan on voting for him at similar rates

8:39

to the larger youth vote. And I was

8:41

just in Michigan and that's essentially kind of

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what I found on the ground, too. I

8:45

spoke to a number of young voters, some

8:47

of whom their campuses had encampments that were

8:50

launching when I was there last week. And

8:52

yes, there was one voter who was uncommitted

8:54

who said that she voted for

8:56

President Biden in 2020 and that she was decided that

8:58

she wasn't going to vote for him again in 2024.

9:02

But a number of the other young voters

9:04

that I spoke to said that other issues,

9:06

democracy, economy, abortion were things that they were

9:08

thinking about heading into November. That's really she

9:10

was going to vote for Trump or she

9:13

wasn't going to vote for Trump. So it

9:15

would she has. But in Michigan, she has

9:17

RFK Jr. as an option. She does. She didn't

9:19

say she would vote for our junior either, but she

9:21

was leaving the door open to a protest vote that

9:24

could end up for our or just not voting.

9:26

I just want to put up on the screen part

9:28

of what you were talking about, actually, the two

9:30

points that you made we have here to

9:32

show in polls. And this is

9:35

CNN's new poll that asks

9:37

about President Biden's handling of the

9:39

Israel Hamas war by age. Eighty

9:42

one percent disapprove. I mean, that's pretty overwhelming

9:44

when it comes to the 18 to 34 year olds.

9:46

But the second

9:48

point you made, Laura, about

9:51

how people prioritize the

9:53

war versus other issues that

9:55

are driving their votes. I mean,

9:57

it's pretty far down 26 percent. versus

10:00

all of these other, of course, starting with

10:02

the economy and protecting the democracy, exactly what

10:04

you said. What are you hearing from the

10:07

Trump campaign about whether they think there is

10:09

any way to capitalize on this? Because

10:12

it's hard to imagine these young people saying,

10:15

I think that Donald Trump is going to be

10:17

different, but maybe I'm wrong. No, I mean, the

10:20

young voters that CNN has talked to have essentially

10:22

said that if they actually know what the issue

10:24

is, that they wouldn't vote at all. Or

10:27

we had some voters say that they would vote for

10:29

Biden. One or two in one of the recent conversations

10:32

that we have with voters said that they might

10:34

vote for Trump. But I think if they know

10:36

the actual issue, that's not something that they're going

10:38

for. However, the Trump campaign is trying to take

10:40

advantage of this in Michigan. They barely have a

10:43

ground game, but they already have people reaching out

10:45

to Arab American communities, trying to create

10:47

relationships with them, whether or not

10:49

they're going to be successful. The

10:52

overarching issue here is, does

10:54

this take any votes away from Biden

10:57

in critical swing states? Are

10:59

votes that Biden cannot afford to lose? So

11:01

whether or not this is a huge issue,

11:03

neither one of these sides believe they can

11:06

forfeit any votes at this time. And the

11:08

question is whether or not when these

11:10

Arab American voters in Michigan, let's say,

11:14

after the Biden campaign gets to them,

11:17

following the Trump campaign's outreach, saying, remember he's

11:19

the one who's going to put a Muslim

11:21

ban in, whether or not that's going to-

11:23

That's probably why Trump is not articulating the

11:25

vision of what he would do with the

11:27

world. Yeah, what is Trump's policy?

11:29

I mean, he did- In the war. In

11:32

the war, right. And he did post on social

11:34

media and all protests, maybe that

11:36

doesn't go over well with those voters who are protesting

11:38

right now. Manuel, I want to

11:40

get your thoughts on Senator Bernie Sanders,

11:42

who was on State of the Union

11:45

with me yesterday. He's obviously sort of

11:47

the godfather of the

11:49

progressive movement right now on

11:51

so many issues, social

11:53

issues, healthcare issues, education issues.

11:56

And on this issue, he is- trying

12:00

to inject something that has

12:02

been lost, which is nuance into

12:04

it. Not calling for, not calling

12:08

it genocide, not saying some of

12:10

the things, not showing up at

12:12

the protests, but he is upset

12:14

about B.B. Netanyahu and is upset

12:16

about anti-Semitism. Do

12:19

I doubt for a moment that anti-Semitism

12:21

exists and is growing in the United

12:23

States? That it's part that

12:26

exists among some people in the protest

12:28

movement, of course. But here

12:30

is the reality. Right

12:32

now, Netanyahu's right-wing extremist

12:35

and racist government is

12:38

doing, is unprecedented in the

12:40

modern history of warfare. I

12:43

mean, it is a fascinating interview. Not

12:45

only is he the godfather of the

12:47

progressive movement, he's also a very shrewd

12:49

politician. He knows full well that these

12:51

voters, they need to elect Joe Biden.

12:54

He tries, as he tries to raise

12:56

concerns about Biden's policy, warn him about

12:58

it, raise concerns about military aid. He's

13:00

also trying to portray Donald

13:02

Trump as a real threat to

13:05

those voters who have concerns

13:07

about what's happening in Israel. So that's

13:09

why he's playing, he's walking a bit

13:11

of a fine line because all those folks

13:13

who are protesting look up to him to essentially lead

13:16

the charge, but he is not leading the charge when

13:18

it comes to these protests. Yeah, not in

13:20

the way that they are. And again, he's

13:22

trying to inject some much-needed

13:25

nuance into this. Saturday

13:28

night, Colin Jost at the

13:30

White House Correspondents' Dinner, like

13:33

most good comedy and most satire

13:35

does, really leaned into

13:37

a reality in this

13:40

race. And that is

13:43

what our new poll showed, which is

13:45

that effectively, statistically, even though

13:47

all of this is happening, it is

13:49

still tied. So

13:52

let me see if I can

13:55

summarize where this race stands at

13:57

this moment. The Republican candidate for

13:59

president, Oz half a billion in

14:01

fines for bank fraud and

14:03

is currently spending his days farting

14:06

himself awake during a

14:08

porn star hush money trial and

14:10

the race is tied? No,

14:16

I mean it is striking when you list

14:18

out all the things and he didn't even list

14:20

all of the felony counts that the former president

14:23

is facing when he made that joke. But

14:25

you know right now I think the dynamic is could

14:28

very well change a lot between now

14:30

and November. You see that President Biden

14:32

is doing well still with white voters

14:34

that he received in 2020. His numbers

14:37

are kind of holding steady. Former

14:39

President Donald Trump seems to be gaining

14:42

a bit with working class black and

14:44

brown voters but the question is how

14:46

hard is that support or is it

14:48

very soft? And Kristen the question is

14:51

put to our respondents in

14:53

our latest poll whether Trump's presidency

14:55

was a success 55% say

14:58

yes 41% say

15:00

no. Well this

15:03

is something that I found on the campaign trail

15:05

as well just talking to Trump supporters you know

15:07

this idea that in 2020 you know they often

15:10

say that the election was rigged but the

15:12

counterpoint to that which many of them have

15:14

agreed to is maybe the election wasn't rigged

15:17

which obviously we know it wasn't but maybe

15:19

people were just exhausted by what they saw

15:21

for four years under a Donald Trump presidency.

15:23

Now they've gotten some Now they've

15:25

gotten rest now they feel with the economy as

15:27

one of the top priorities with immigration as one

15:29

of the top priorities that maybe things were better

15:31

under Donald Trump. But again this is

15:33

actually consistent with what we see over time

15:35

is that people have a more favorable view

15:38

of an administration just happens that this guy's

15:40

running again. Yes he is. Everybody's

15:43

standby up next. Hunter Biden

15:45

versus Fox News. We

15:47

have brand new reporting about Hunter Biden's demand

15:49

for a retraction from the right

15:51

wing network and later it

15:54

might have been a murder political

15:57

suicide. Kristi Noem defends and

15:59

explains. Inserting a puppy didn't

16:01

already do her busy. Prospect.

16:10

The assignment with me Audie. Cornish. There's

16:12

been a ton of writing about the

16:14

album Cowboy Carter since it dropped the

16:17

Spring. But what grab my attention is.

16:19

A. New documentary on Cnn called Pony

16:21

Country Fiance and Nashville's renaissance. Lots

16:23

of artists have tried to boot

16:25

scoot their way onto country music

16:28

charts. Why did this album cause

16:30

such a thorough and what about

16:32

both this pop star and this

16:34

political moment has caused all this

16:36

conversation? Listen to the assignment with

16:39

me Audie. Cornish on your favorite

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podcast that. Now

16:45

as first on Cnn report Hunter

16:48

Biden new strategy to push back

16:50

against the years long onslaught of

16:52

attacks against him by conservative media

16:54

Lawyers for Hunter Biden are telling

16:57

Fox News to correct the record

16:59

on bribery allegations made by a

17:01

discredited As The Eye and Format

17:03

or face a defamation lawsuit scene

17:06

and obtained a cease and desist

17:08

letter sent to Fox last week.

17:10

In it Bidens legal team points

17:12

if Fox Health like Maria Bartiromo.

17:15

Continuing to push claims that Hunter

17:17

Biden and his father took bribes

17:20

from Alexander Smirnoff even after Smear

17:22

Up was indicted. For. Lying to

17:24

the F B I. Or

17:27

Cheryl, you know. And the issue

17:29

around this I charge against Smirnoff

17:31

is that it may very well

17:33

stop other whistleblowers from coming. Solid

17:35

citizen intimidation tactics threaten the sky

17:37

with twenty five years in prison

17:39

because he told us the I

17:42

Eat all the Oversight committee that

17:44

Dad Murray's been paid Biden And

17:46

Hunter And Joe. Biden Hunter biden

17:48

five million apiece. Biden.

17:50

Same also accuses Fox News

17:53

of illegally profiting off of

17:55

fictionalized show streaming on Fox

17:57

Nation called Quotes The Trial

17:59

of Hunter. Biden and of

18:01

violating revenge porn laws because that

18:03

show quote unlawfully published and continues

18:05

to publish intimate images of Mr.

18:08

Biden depicting him in the nude

18:10

scene and has reached out to

18:12

Fox News for comment. Here with

18:15

me now is Cnn's Senior Justice

18:17

Correspondent Mm Per as thank you

18:19

for coming in So let's just

18:22

talk big picture about the strategy

18:24

here. For years, Hunter Biden really

18:26

didn't say anything. For

18:29

lots. Of reasons that some biggest

18:31

reason is because. His.

18:34

Father's political team. In.

18:37

Want to write it is one is a kind of ignore

18:39

it by. And. What happened was

18:41

it continued to snowball. Snowball.

18:43

Snowball. Snowball and. For.

18:45

Lots of reasons the strategy has shifted

18:47

now. and he's he's pushing back. Is

18:50

written by very strong and look

18:52

what things that he's also done

18:54

is have you seen see how

18:56

he is of tussled with the

18:58

republicans in congress are showing up

19:01

to their hearing demanding that they

19:03

do a public hearing and then

19:05

a of finally negotiating for him

19:07

to come in and do a

19:09

private or deposition so you see

19:12

him suicide after. School. After

19:14

a period where you know the specially

19:16

the White House and of the President's

19:18

advisers would have preferred to hundred to

19:20

just stay quiet and just not. Give

19:23

more oxygen to some of these

19:25

allegations. Now for the for From

19:27

from know that the strategy in

19:29

or comes with the fact that

19:31

despite what the Republicans have been promising

19:33

you know they've yet to release

19:35

produce any evidence that they said

19:37

existed to show that there was some

19:40

kind of conspiracy, bribery conspiracy involving

19:42

the President of United States, right? You

19:44

know it's a far different matter

19:46

for you to talk about some of

19:49

the things that Hundred Biden was

19:51

into which one hundred by method

19:53

now. Admits out we're we're not what.

19:55

well ah, well thought out right? and

19:57

while in this particular case it's It's

20:00

interesting because it's about him and

20:03

not his father. It's alleging that

20:05

Fox News just flat-out

20:07

defamed him and

20:09

also People at Fox

20:11

the allegations are they were involved

20:14

and frankly a conspiracy to continue

20:16

to push Things that

20:18

they allegedly knew were not true. This is

20:20

part of the letter from by the button

20:23

hunter Biden's legal team Mr.

20:25

Parnas outlined the lab

20:27

Parnas the conspiracy formed in early 2019

20:30

between and among Giuliani and a group

20:32

of political and media Professionals known as

20:34

the BLT team to spread known

20:37

misinformation and a false narrative about Biden's

20:39

corruption Which they knew was baseless in

20:41

order to manipulate the public. I mean

20:44

that again, I should just underline

20:46

This is a letter to Fox Effectively

20:49

a shot across the bow if

20:51

you don't do this we might

20:53

sue so first on the defamation

20:55

You've covered these kinds of allegations

20:57

for years. Is it hard to prove it?

21:01

There is a there is a lot of

21:03

protection for Fox News and other news organizations

21:05

You have to remember that a lot of

21:07

these allegations are coming from members of Congress.

21:09

They've produced reports So I think for Fox

21:11

it's it's going there's going to be I

21:13

think a lot of protection. Yeah, because they're

21:16

reporting on the news the other Question

21:19

that I mentioned and that is part of this letter

21:22

is the fact that they

21:24

have this Say I

21:27

wouldn't call it documentary. It's like a scripted

21:29

something. I don't even know what to call

21:31

It's fictionalized but using some direct quotes and

21:33

apparently in this Hour

21:36

is that is streaming on Fox's?

21:40

channel used

21:42

intimate Unauthorized photos

21:45

of hunter Biden the unlawful publication

21:47

of these intimate images Cannot

21:49

be said to have been made

21:51

for a legitimate public purpose where

21:53

the miniseries featuring a mock trial

21:55

is not Accurately reporting on newsworthy

21:57

events, but rather is a fiction

22:00

trial of a non-existent case

22:03

against Mr. Biden. That's a much stronger.

22:05

Well, Gawker, remember, I mean, this is

22:07

kind of based on the Gawker case

22:09

with Paul Kogan that destroyed

22:12

Gawker. Right, exactly. And I

22:14

think, you know, a person is entitled to

22:16

control their own image. If Hunter

22:18

Biden has not been out there publishing pictures,

22:21

intimate pictures of himself, then Fox News

22:23

should not be doing this based on

22:25

a laptop or images that are on

22:27

the Internet somewhere. And

22:29

that's, I think, their argument here. And I

22:32

think that's a much stronger argument because I

22:34

don't think he has ever shared

22:36

these things himself. For a long

22:38

time, he claimed that the laptop

22:40

wasn't his or would not acknowledge

22:42

it. Now he's saying that this

22:44

is his personal day that was

22:46

either stolen or manipulated. And we do

22:48

know from the Dominion case that and

22:50

Fox News, we'll see if they how

22:53

their strategy goes forward. But because once

22:55

if this does become a lawsuit, then

22:57

it's open to discovery and everybody gets to

22:59

see all of the emails and everything that

23:02

went behind us. Right. I

23:04

will say it's interesting that the law firm representing

23:06

Hunter Biden has included these

23:10

images, some of these images in their

23:13

letter. And that's, you know, a different way

23:15

to go. Thank

23:17

you so much, Evan. Thanks for breaking it

23:19

down and putting in context. Appreciate it. Coming

23:22

up back in court, the Trump hush money

23:24

case will resume tomorrow morning, rather. We

23:27

could hear from star witness Michael Cohen

23:29

as soon as tomorrow. Donald

23:40

Trump will be back in court

23:43

tomorrow as prosecutors continue questioning their

23:45

third witness. A banker

23:47

who allegedly helped set up the shell company

23:49

used to make hush money payments to porn

23:52

star Stormy Daniels CNN's

23:54

Evan Perez is back along with CNN

23:56

legal analyst and former deputy assistant. and

24:01

District Attorney Elliott Williams and CNN's

24:03

Kristen Holmes. Hello

24:05

again. Can you just give me the big picture, or

24:09

more importantly, our viewers the big picture of how

24:12

we think the rest of this week is going to go? Well,

24:15

I think, you know, the difficulty

24:17

for this trial has been like, you

24:19

know, after Pekka, you know, where

24:21

are they going to go? How are they going

24:23

to try to prove the

24:26

conspiracy that they're alleging for the former

24:28

president? So we don't know, you know,

24:31

where they're going next with witnesses, but,

24:33

you know, I think the struggle still

24:35

is there for them to try to

24:39

show that this conspiracy was in

24:41

the service of an election crime,

24:43

which is what stands us up

24:45

to make this a felony. You

24:48

know, I think people, a lot of

24:51

people are assuming, because this is a Manhattan jury,

24:53

that this is going to be a slam dunk

24:55

for the prosecutors, and I don't think that's the

24:57

case. People should prepare

25:00

that, you know, there is at least

25:02

one juror here who may be not persuaded

25:05

by what the prosecution is. And would it lead to

25:07

a hung jury? Correct. As you

25:09

come in, Elliot, I want to put up

25:11

on the screen who this third witness is,

25:14

Gary Farrow. He's currently a

25:17

private client advisor at Flagstaff Bank. He

25:19

was the senior managing director at First

25:21

Republic Bank when Michael Cohen was trying

25:23

to set up the payment to

25:25

Stormy Daniels. So before even

25:27

getting to the point at which you're talking

25:30

about influencing campaigns

25:32

and what the purpose is, you have

25:34

to establish just what the financial transactions

25:36

were. And people may

25:38

not know that litigation or these trials

25:40

are actually often quite boring and basic.

25:43

You have to simply say, prosecutors have to come in

25:45

and establish this is where the payment was made, this

25:47

is the guy who knows where the payment was made,

25:49

and this is where the payment went. You can have

25:51

other witnesses who were in the room, perhaps even at

25:53

that August 2015 meeting, talk about

25:56

what was discussed and why they did it and

25:58

so on. But witnesses like this might just... Be

26:00

pure just the facts ma'am witnesses who can

26:02

help establish went out. Okay and I'm

26:04

sure you're hearing that Donald Trump the super

26:06

excited to sit in a courtroom. I'll wake.

26:09

Anyone michigan with thousand and on Wednesday the

26:11

first said that works because there are no

26:13

trial that yeah there's nothing on okay someone

26:15

that actually seeing him campaign in his off

26:17

days are over the weekend we'll have another

26:19

fundraiser this last weekend he was back in

26:22

Florida with money at with her birthday a

26:24

bit know either one of the details of

26:26

particularly doesn't wanna sit through the testimony what

26:28

we get to it of zombie get an

26:30

old or Michael Cohen I think what's interesting

26:32

here is that as he said these are

26:34

the kind of witnesses that are the glue

26:36

that tell the story. They're not necessarily the

26:38

most fascinating witnesses. But to others point in

26:41

one of the things that Donald Trump team

26:43

feals and they're going through. this is one.

26:45

Can they just get one sympathetic for here?

26:47

Can we get us to be a hung

26:49

jury and they think there is a possibility

26:51

for that outcome much more likely that that

26:53

he would be acquitted. But the other part

26:55

of this is going to. Can.

26:57

They paint Michael Cohen men not necessarily

26:59

Donald Trump himself as he has a

27:01

gag order, but ten his army of

27:04

right wing people on social media continue

27:06

to paint him as a perjure in

27:08

a liar wouldn't. Have a

27:10

things that are from the I

27:12

Just One it before we we

27:14

leave the Donald Trump of at

27:16

All A reminder. Viewers have a

27:18

conversation that the former presidents former

27:20

Attorney General had with our colleague

27:22

Caitlin Collins. This happened Friday night

27:24

and this is part of a

27:26

discussion of him even though he

27:29

was very critical of his former

27:31

boss. Saying. Now that he.

27:33

Would support him and will vote for him for president.

27:38

I actually don't remember him saying executing, but

27:40

I you know, when disputes. Dozens

27:43

of the President would lose his temper

27:45

and say things like that. I doubt

27:47

he would. actually

27:49

carried it around and opium i think

27:51

people sometimes to come to literally and

27:53

you know he would say things like

27:56

similar to the him in occasions to

27:58

blow off steam But I

28:00

wouldn't take him literally every time he did it. Now

28:03

he's not the only very,

28:05

very sharp critic of Donald Trump who

28:08

is now finding ways to explain why

28:10

he's going to vote for Donald Trump.

28:12

You covered him at the Justice Department.

28:14

Right. I mean, look, I mean, this

28:16

is vintage Bill Barr. He

28:18

wants to be relevant. He wants to

28:20

be in this conversation. And

28:23

I've talked to some of his friends and people around him.

28:26

And everybody's astonished as to why you'd want to

28:28

go on television and talk about this, especially after

28:30

all the critical things he said of Donald Trump.

28:32

And then sort of turn around and just kind

28:35

of explain it away. It really doesn't make any

28:37

sense. But this is how Bill Barr

28:39

does Bill Barr. Real quick, I'm

28:41

guessing all is not forgiven in Donald Trump's

28:43

mind. Absolutely not. No, he continues to talk

28:46

poorly about Bill Barr. And also, he's not the

28:48

only person who has said that he's going to support

28:50

Donald Trump after criticizing him that Donald Trump has still

28:52

written off. So it's going to take more than just

28:54

going on one show and saying that. There's a lot

28:56

more to talk about this. Luckily, we have six months

28:58

to talk about this. Don't go

29:01

anywhere. Coming up, South Dakota Governor Kristi

29:03

Noem is in the doghouse. I

29:06

know, sorry. As she

29:08

tries to defend what many feel

29:11

is indefensible, shooting and killing her

29:13

14-month-old puppy that she said was

29:15

untrainable. Stay with us. I'm

29:25

Ina Garten. Welcome to Be My Guest. One

29:28

of the best gifts you can give friends

29:30

is spending time together. But what's even better

29:33

than that? Cooking with them. On Be My

29:35

Guest, the podcast. New friends and old

29:37

stop on my barn for some conversation

29:39

and great cooking. We talk about food,

29:42

life, and everything in between.

29:45

Listen to Be My Guest, the podcast,

29:47

with me, Ina Garten. And join us

29:49

wherever you get your podcasts. If

29:58

you're explaining... you're losing. That

30:01

famous quote is attributed to Ronald

30:03

Reagan. And it's something South Dakota

30:05

Governor Kristi Noem is probably thinking

30:08

about right now. Because if

30:10

you're explaining why you dragged a dog

30:12

into a gravel pit and shot that

30:14

dog, you may be losing the

30:16

race to become Donald Trump's VP pick. Kristin

30:19

Manu and Laura are back. What

30:23

are you hearing from inside Trump land?

30:25

So I will tell you that Trump, at

30:28

least what I'm hearing from senior advisors, is

30:30

that he had soured on Kristi Noem before

30:32

this event, that she was no longer being

30:34

vantied about as the top contender

30:36

for VP, or at least one of them. So

30:39

I don't think that changes this no matter

30:41

what. I also think that talking to advisors,

30:43

they are aware of how bad this is.

30:45

And there are a lot of questions as

30:47

to why she would even put this in

30:50

a book, particularly given that she wanted to

30:52

be Donald Trump's vice president. It

30:55

makes her sort of a laughing stock, which is probably

30:57

the worst thing you can get at this moment. It's

30:59

one of those issues that just seems

31:01

to permeate. People really are talking about it.

31:03

Leenai Comics are making fun of her. And

31:06

she also had some bizarre posts on social

31:08

media even before this, too, promoting a Texas

31:10

dentist about a month ago. And I think

31:12

that's when it started to go downhill. Yes.

31:15

And that can't help you in your prospects when you're

31:17

supposed to be helping the top of the ticket if

31:19

you are the running mate. Well, you

31:21

know that sort of the warm

31:23

turns when you have

31:26

some of the most prominent

31:28

fellow Republicans trolling you. And

31:31

that is happening. Carrie Lake posted a picture

31:33

that is her own puppy.

31:36

Ron DeSantis even posted a

31:38

picture with a dog. And

31:41

then the more expected sort

31:43

of trolls are from her

31:45

fellow governors on the Democratic

31:47

side. Governor Tim Wals, Governor

31:51

Phil Murphy, Gretchen Whitmer all posted pictures

31:53

with their dogs in the caption below.

31:55

Post a picture with your dog that

31:57

doesn't involve shooting them and throwing them.

32:00

in a gravel pit that was Tim Walz saying,

32:02

I'll start. And President Biden

32:04

and Kamala Harris joined in. The campaign

32:06

tweeted out photos of them with dogs

32:10

smiling and being happy. I mean, look, it's

32:12

just frankly a stunning story. I have a

32:14

dog myself and it was

32:16

a rescue who I had to go through years

32:19

of training with. So I think that a lot

32:21

of people look at her story and question why

32:23

the dog wasn't just given up for adoption, why

32:26

the dog wasn't put through rounds of training

32:28

to become the type of dog that

32:31

she had hoped it to be. I mean, it

32:33

was a 14 month old puppy. So I think

32:35

that it's just a stunning story that clearly is

32:37

allowing Republicans to pile along as

32:39

well as Democrats. And again, just to sort

32:42

of alluded to this, but just for anybody

32:44

who hasn't followed it, and even

32:46

people who aren't following politics are following the

32:48

story. Kristi Noem has a book

32:50

coming out. She put this story, a very

32:53

vivid story about shooting

32:56

a dog that she used for hunting who wasn't

32:59

working anymore to sort of put

33:01

it in layman's terms. What she

33:04

did this weekend after that excerpt got

33:06

out is she defended

33:08

it but explained it. She said, I can

33:11

understand why some people are upset about

33:13

a 20 year old story of cricket,

33:15

one of the working dogs at our

33:17

ranch, whether running the ranch or in

33:19

politics, I have never passed on my

33:21

responsibilities to anyone else to handle. Even

33:23

if it's hard and painful, I followed

33:25

the law and was being a

33:27

responsible parent, dog owner

33:29

and neighbor. Again,

33:33

you're just kind

33:35

of digging yourself in a hole here. I mean,

33:37

I don't think her according to her book, her

33:39

daughter was pretty upset. Yeah, she asked where the

33:41

dog was if she got home from school. Another

33:43

part of the give a good explanation for killing

33:46

the dog at all. No, or that it was

33:48

a danger to anyone. And also,

33:50

keep in mind, Donald Trump is known to not like

33:52

dogs. I was going to be the next thing I

33:54

asked. I mean, this is class, but no one is

33:57

that was part of I have no idea. The

34:00

former president is not like dogs, but he definitely

34:03

doesn't like stories about people going out and shooting

34:05

a dog, or at least he knows how bad

34:07

that looks. I mean, again, this is all about

34:09

perception. You're supposed to be at a time where

34:12

you are putting your best foot forward because you

34:14

want to be sitting in the White House next

34:16

to the next president, and instead, this is the

34:18

story everyone is focused on. I'm kind of apologizing.

34:21

She's also doubling down. That's also another thing that

34:23

you can raise a judgment question about that, too.

34:25

Did you hug Peanut a little tighter last night? Of

34:27

course. I hugged Charlie. What's

34:29

your dog's name? Strider. And Strider,

34:32

too. Up

34:34

next, a new book about an icon,

34:36

the reason I am sitting here along

34:38

with pretty much every other woman in

34:40

TV news. Stay with us. Barbara

34:49

Walters was a trailblazer for women

34:52

in journalism. She was

34:54

the first female anchor of

34:56

a network evening newscast and

34:58

interviewed everyone from Fidel Castro

35:00

to Monica Lewinsky, Barbara Streisand,

35:02

and Vladimir Putin. USA

35:04

Today Washington bureau chief Susan

35:06

Page has a new biography out, The

35:09

Rule Breaker, The Life and Times of

35:11

Barbara Walters, and Susan is here with

35:13

me. This is such a great

35:15

book. It is such a great book. I

35:18

want to start with one of the many

35:20

anecdotes you have in here about her tremendous

35:23

career, and that is 1977. She

35:27

scored an interview, a joint interview

35:29

with Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin.

35:31

No one had ever had a

35:33

joint interview with the leader of

35:35

Egypt and Israel before. It

35:38

was historic. And

35:40

she got it because she had spent years

35:42

cultivating both men, interviewing them and building a

35:44

relationship that enabled them to stay almost on

35:46

the fly that they would sit down with

35:48

her. And you know who had annoyed most?

35:51

Walter Cronkite. She almost literally took the interview

35:53

right out from under him. And he heard

35:55

about it and then scrambled to get one

35:58

of his own. And when he finished. his

36:00

interview, he said, did Barbara get anything?

36:02

I didn't. And

36:04

did he? Did she? Of course she did. Well,

36:06

it's both pretty historic interviews. But you know, the

36:08

first one is the sweetest. Yeah, it is. Many

36:12

presidents, pretty much every president

36:15

since she became a

36:17

newscaster and a journalist. And

36:20

you tell so many stories about

36:22

her relationships with the presidents that

36:24

she covered, the interviews that she

36:27

did with them, and their spouses.

36:29

One that I really want you to tell is

36:32

the interview she did with the

36:34

Fords. So she sat down with

36:37

the Fords. As you said, she

36:39

loved interviewing presidents. And often with

36:41

their spouses, she liked the interplay

36:43

between them. But in this case,

36:45

Betty Ford was visibly inebriated. And

36:47

the question was, would she show that on the air?

36:50

And she decided not to because

36:52

she didn't want to embarrass Betty Ford. And in

36:55

retrospect, she agreed that that was a mistake

36:57

and that if she had it to do over

36:59

again, she would have shown Betty Ford. Interesting.

37:02

So she didn't show Betty Ford at all? She

37:04

showed Betty Ford, but not speaking, because Betty Ford

37:06

was sitting there and looked fine. But when she

37:08

was speaking, she was slurring her ward. And Betty

37:11

Ford obviously then went on to become a trailblazer

37:13

of her own in making

37:16

the idea of being an alcoholic

37:18

and an addict try

37:20

to take the stigma out of it. But

37:22

she wasn't in that stage at that point. At

37:25

that point, she had not acknowledged her drinking problem.

37:27

Senator Ed Brooke, he was

37:29

an African-American senator. And

37:32

he was the love of

37:34

Barbara Walters' life. African-American and

37:36

married. They had a long

37:38

affair. She later said it was the love

37:40

of her life. And yet, when her good

37:42

friend, Roy Cohn, the notorious lawyer, said, you

37:44

know, this will cost you your career if

37:46

it comes out, she broke it off.

37:49

They had talked about marriage. He offered to

37:51

leave his wife for her, but it was just too

37:53

much for that time. And

37:55

it really does speak to the larger

37:58

takeaway from this book that is. She

38:01

was so successful in her professional

38:03

life, but her personal life was

38:06

kind of sad. And

38:09

it is one of the things that she gifted to people

38:12

like me and you and others, and

38:14

that is because she broke the glass

38:16

ceiling and she blazed all these trails

38:19

without any kind of role

38:22

model, people like me can

38:24

have a family and can have love

38:26

and can have children and trying to

38:28

balance it all isn't as hard as

38:30

it was when she started.

38:32

Now she was relentless and maybe she had to

38:34

be because whenever there was a choice between her

38:37

personal life and her professional life, she chose her

38:39

professional life and maybe she wouldn't have been able

38:41

to do all she did at the

38:43

time because of that. And I agree, I think

38:46

it's a different, it's important to remember that because

38:48

it's a different time now. At that time, I

38:50

think women in broadcasting and in other careers thought

38:52

as a zero sum game, you

38:54

succeeded, it was going to hurt me. And that is

38:56

not I think the attitude of many women these days.

38:58

Yeah, and it was a zero sum game. My

39:01

mom when she first started, there was one slot for

39:03

a woman in TV news and that is very

39:05

much not the case. Thank goodness. Thank

39:08

you for this tremendous book. I encourage everybody to get

39:10

it. Thank you so much for writing it. Thank

39:12

you for joining Inside Politics.

39:14

CNN News Central starts after the break.