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Okay , all right , here we go , all right , and here's , let's

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do this , let's do um , I'll

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say hi , this is your cloud , this is radio

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, this is Jeremy . A new episode of yes , but . And

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then we'll go Priscilla , and then John , and then we'll jump right into

0:10

it . Sound good ?

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Yeah , okay , I

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am not an atheist .

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I've never been an atheist I've never . People are

0:21

too afraid to believe that

0:23

they have control over their own actions . Hi

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, this is Jeremy . This is Cloud of Witnesses Radio

0:27

with a new episode of yes , but

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.

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Hi , this is Priscilla .

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Hi , this is Villain Typecast John .

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Awesome , Priscilla . Where are

0:37

you known from ? Where do people find

0:39

you ?

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So I'm primarily known on TikTok

0:43

at PriscillaXDestiny

0:45

. You can also follow me on Instagram

0:47

, and those are my two primary platforms

0:50

.

0:51

John , you can find me on

0:53

Cloud of Witnesses podcast . On some of the episodes

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I'm on the Lives of the Saints and Screwtape

0:58

Returns .

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Amen . This comes into play because

1:01

we're talking about social media a little

1:03

bit . Today , the topic

1:06

is street preaching

1:08

. It's very interesting , and this is someone

1:10

that Priscilla and I know of

1:13

from TikTok . He's got

1:15

a pretty popular channel and

1:17

let's check it out .

1:18

Hey friends , here's an easy way that you can do

1:20

evangelism in your own community . We

1:22

call this sign evangelism , where we just

1:24

take signs that we have made , we

1:26

post them up in our community and stand by

1:28

them . So what we have here is a sign that says

1:30

deny yourself , take up your cross

1:32

, follow jesus the call to follow

1:35

jesus . And then we also have here our prayer

1:37

station sign . This one says can

1:39

we pray for you ? So I'm just set up here

1:41

at a at a busy intersection

1:43

in our town of Shelbyville

1:45

, kentucky , and getting the word out

1:48

to everyone who drives by . As you can see , there's

1:51

a lot of traffic . A

1:53

lot of people are seeing these signs . Who knows

1:55

, maybe someone will pull into the parking lot behind

1:57

me and ask for prayer

1:59

. That would be an opportunity for me to share

2:01

the gospel with them . These are good .

2:04

So we'll pause

2:06

it there . I want to . We'll return to

2:08

some more of his content , but

2:10

that certainly sets the stage , I think , for

2:12

an interesting conversation . I want

2:14

to say that I've actually interacted

2:17

with him on TikTok before . I

2:19

want to be very clear . I

2:21

do not in any way want to attack

2:23

him . I believe he's very well intentioned

2:26

, he's actually a very nice guy and

2:28

we've always had very civil interactions

2:31

, even though we don't agree whatsoever . He's

2:34

a Calvinist , he's a reformed

2:36

Christian , reformed

2:38

Protestant , and

2:40

so , even though we have great disagreements

2:43

in terms of the faith , I

2:46

think his heart is in the right place and

2:48

I believe that he believes

2:50

that he is fulfilling , you know

2:52

, his his call . Kind

2:56

of fascinating . What

2:58

do you guys think ? What's your , what's your initial thoughts on

3:00

?

3:00

this , so I do

3:02

kind of know him . I've seen

3:05

his videos , you know , through TikTok

3:07

. I've never actually interacted with him through message

3:09

or anything . He

3:12

does seem like a really nice guy . I have

3:14

seen some of his more funnier videos and

3:18

overall , though , as far as the

3:20

signs go , I kind of have mixed feelings

3:22

about that , because I understand , like you

3:25

know , you have one group like group a

3:27

, the first group , who they

3:29

are doing it in a very loving

3:31

way , such as he , but

3:34

then you have the second

3:36

group who they can

3:38

claim to have good intentions , but then their

3:40

signs are a little bit more . You

3:43

you know what

3:45

is it ? Fire and brimstone , yeah

3:48

.

3:50

Yeah , I've never heard of this guy before . My

3:53

initial thought about that

3:56

is I don't have

3:58

a whole lot of negative things to say about Protestant

4:00

street preaching , just

4:03

because of the fact that it

4:05

takes a lot of courage to do something like that

4:07

. So , just from the angle of courage versus

4:10

cowardice , I actually

4:13

commend people who do stuff

4:15

like this . Obviously

4:17

we have people who have signs that

4:19

say , if you're a drunkard , if

4:21

you're a fornicator , if you're this or you're that , you

4:23

are all going to burn in the lake of fire . I've

4:26

seen that before and some of

4:28

them really do push the envelope and

4:31

pretty much just inflame

4:33

a whole lot of unsavory passions

4:35

amongst the crowd

4:38

that they're in the midst of . But

4:40

overall , with the

4:42

stuff that they do , even things like , oh

4:45

yeah , can we , can we

4:47

pray for you , can

4:52

you come over here at this prayer

4:54

station and can we lay hands on you and pray for you ? Normally

4:58

most people would think to themselves , oh , this is that's , that's just totally awkward , I would

5:00

never do that . But just the courage that it takes to do stuff like that

5:02

on a regular basis , I have to say I have to

5:04

applaud that . Methodology might

5:06

be off right , the way that they're

5:08

kind of trying to get the word out there

5:10

. Maybe they could . There

5:13

could be some tweaking , you know , but

5:16

yeah , I have honestly

5:18

, as an Orthodox , even as an Orthodox Christian , I can't

5:21

help but think only positive

5:23

thoughts , and

5:25

I can't help but think only positive thoughts , mostly positive thoughts about that .

5:27

I think it's because of the way that they view

5:30

what evangelism is

5:32

, and what that looks like is why

5:34

they go about it , the method that they do

5:36

. I don't have a problem with

5:38

it because , as well , like you're saying

5:40

, it is very it is a very courageous

5:42

act . You

5:49

know you are putting your life out on the line against people that could potentially

5:52

harm you , but at the same time , I do have , I do begin to have an issue when they

5:54

start questioning , you know , the apostolic faiths

5:56

as to why it seems like

5:58

we're not going out on the

6:00

streets and quote unquote by

6:02

their definition evangelizing , street

6:04

evangelizing .

6:06

Yeah , yeah , those are great points , you guys

6:08

, you know this episode

6:10

. As you know , it's part of our series that

6:13

we call yes , but

6:15

, and this is very much one of those

6:17

topics where it's like , yes

6:19

, right , I have a lot

6:21

of agreement with what they're doing

6:23

. Yes , we are called to evangelize

6:26

, you know . Yes , we should be sharing

6:28

our faith with others in the world

6:30

, you know . Yes , we are to

6:32

sacrifice , right and and

6:34

to , as you guys were saying , to to

6:37

put ourselves on the line , if you will

6:39

, to share our faith , et cetera . And

6:42

I do too . I'm with you guys . I think

6:44

it's courageous , I do , as

6:47

I said in my opening remarks , I

6:49

think that their intentions

6:52

, generally speaking , are good

6:54

and wholesome and I

6:56

believe they believe that they are fulfilling

6:58

the great commission in doing these things . But

7:02

I do think there's a but

7:04

, and I think , for

7:06

me , part

7:08

of the but is kind of ties

7:11

to what you were saying , priscilla , what you were touching on

7:13

, which is there's

7:15

a difference in perspective

7:18

as to what

7:20

is salvation , and

7:23

I I can't help but see

7:26

, in the street preaching

7:29

mentality , this idea

7:31

that if someone will just come

7:33

and pray the sinner's prayer

7:36

with me , they can be saved

7:38

right , kind of like if I can just get

7:40

someone to come to me and , you know

7:42

, tearfully give their life

7:44

to God , right here , right now , on the street

7:46

corner , I've won

7:48

a new soul for Christ and yeah

7:51

.

7:54

Yeah , I agree completely

7:56

with that . I think you know I've seen personally

7:59

street evangelizers . As soon as they're

8:01

done , you know they talk

8:03

to their audience and they're like you know , we , we

8:05

, we won three souls today , three

8:08

people got saved today or something . And I'm

8:10

just like you don't know that

8:12

, Like I

8:14

don't know . I'm just yeah , it's . It

8:17

has to do with their soteriology

8:19

and believing that they

8:21

are almost this rush of like

8:23

. I have to hurry .

8:25

Time is running out , you know the

8:47

offer to pray for somebody , to say the Jesus

8:50

, not the Jesus prayer , the sinner's prayer

8:52

. They think that once

8:55

you say that prayer , you're good , the

8:57

slate is clean and you're set

8:59

for heaven . That's the part where

9:02

, yeah , I would also take issue with and I would just say

9:04

, yeah . It's the part where , yeah , I would also take issue with and I would just say , yeah , it's good to sow

9:06

seeds and plant seeds and put

9:08

the thought of God

9:10

and Christ in people's head to

9:13

remind them . Yeah , okay , this

9:15

is real , this is the truth . And

9:18

you know , at least get people to think and

9:20

consider . You know it's a slow

9:22

going process . It's not just an overnight

9:24

thing . Conversion is not overnight , uh

9:26

for sure . But , um , I

9:29

would say that , yeah , I mean , that's that's the thing

9:31

. That is really what's at issue

9:33

. It's not necessarily . I wouldn't , even in

9:36

and of itself . I personally don't find

9:38

anything wrong with putting up a sign that

9:40

has a good message on it , like

9:42

any , like , like a you know a little placard or

9:44

whatever , like a Bible verse , you

9:46

know , for somebody to kind of

9:48

digest , and maybe it's

9:50

there's something on it that an

9:52

individual might need passing by . It

9:55

might bless them tremendously to see a

9:57

Bible verse . I have nothing against

9:59

that , but yeah , it's like the

10:01

the , the soteriology . Well

10:04

, yeah , it's like the soteriology right and the soteriology that

10:06

informs their method .

10:08

I think also , you know , orthodox

10:10

, we don't go out and flash

10:12

it like they do . You know , and

10:27

I don't want to call them hypocrites or Pharisees , but you know the scriptures do talk about

10:29

like . Do not be like the hypocrites who wish to be seen and made public , for that is their

10:31

reward . For us Orthodox Christians , it looks like we're not evangelizing in their eyes because

10:33

we tend to do it on a more personal scale

10:35

, behind the scenes .

10:38

Yes , it's an interesting point . You

10:40

know , I can't help but think

10:42

about Orthodox processions

10:44

. Right , I can't help but think about Orthodox processions . As you

10:46

know , we're actually right around the corner from

10:48

a very important procession that

10:51

is done every year on

10:53

Pascha , where we go around

10:56

the entire church . Typically

10:58

it's outside . In some communities they

11:00

really go , they go around a large

11:02

part of the town . It varies

11:05

from parish to parish , but

11:07

you do have this . In many ways , that is

11:09

a public proclamation of

11:11

our faith . Right , we're holding our

11:13

icons , we're singing our songs , we

11:16

have candles . You know , it's

11:18

right there in their face . So it is , it's

11:20

interesting , right , but that's obviously that's

11:23

different , right , it feels

11:25

different . It is different than

11:27

what we're seeing here with

11:30

these Protestant street

11:32

preachers . I

11:34

think that you guys said everything

11:37

you said I agree with 100 percent

11:39

. Going back to the soteriology , and you

11:41

know as you both , I think

11:44

, know many in our audience

11:46

might know because I talk about it too much

11:48

I'm a former Protestant

11:51

, I'm a former evangelical . Before

11:53

I became Calvinistic , I grew

11:55

up , I went to a private Baptist school

11:57

. I myself

11:59

, many times

12:01

I lost count , but at least I'd say

12:03

five , six , seven times I

12:06

walked down the aisle during

12:08

an altar call . It's a Protestant thing

12:10

. I talked with a prayer

12:12

counselor in tears

12:15

and I prayed the sinner's prayer

12:17

again . And then I prayed the

12:19

sinner's prayer again and again and

12:22

then did

12:25

it change my life , I

12:28

don't know , sometimes , for a

12:30

certain period of time in my life , you

12:33

know . But it

12:35

goes back to what you were saying , priscilla and

12:37

John salvation from

12:41

the Orthodox perspective is

12:43

an entire transformation of

12:45

your life . It's not

12:47

talking about something

12:50

you did on October 23rd

12:53

2012

12:56

. That's not salvation

12:58

from an Orthodox perspective . Salvation

13:01

from an Orthodox is

13:03

what am I doing today

13:05

? Right , where is

13:08

my heart right now ? Right

13:11

, am I picking up my cross

13:13

? Am I willing to offer myself as

13:15

a living sacrifice right

13:17

now ? And I think

13:20

to me that's

13:23

the distinction , that's the difference

13:25

between us and

13:28

those Protestants who

13:30

are on the street corners with their

13:32

big signs , with their loudspeakers

13:35

proclaiming what they claim

13:38

. You know what they believe is the gospel right

13:49

.

13:49

It's about the present state that you're in , right , that's . That's

13:52

what counts . I mean , I think it was saint paul or christ

13:54

who said um whatsoever . Whatever state that you're in , um

13:57

, in whatever way that the lord

13:59

finds you , he will judge you according

14:01

to your present state in

14:03

that very moment . It's not what you did

14:05

five months ago , 15

14:08

years ago . God is not going

14:10

to judge you for how

14:12

you were yesterday , but how you

14:14

are now . Are you repentant

14:17

now ? It's not about being

14:19

repentant yesterday . Are you repentant right

14:21

now ? If you're not repentant right now , then your repentant

14:23

state yesterday doesn't count for

14:25

anything . So , yeah , that's the Orthodox view .

14:29

Yeah , priscilla , if you were

14:31

going to jump in , go for it , but I was going to say something

14:33

after that . Did you have something you wanted to say right now ?

14:36

No , I mean , I would say you know , yeah

14:38

, I agree with the whole . Like , repentance

14:40

in the evangelical

14:43

or Protestant world is very

14:45

temporary . And this

14:48

gets into sacramentology

14:50

and the importance of the church , because

14:52

, you know , are these street preachers , are they

14:54

referencing them to a church ? Are they

14:56

, you know ? Are you truly discipling

14:59

them ? Because , great , you have this person

15:01

that you believe is now saved , but

15:03

have you provided them with a Bible

15:05

? Are you sending them off to a

15:07

church ? You know , getting them connected and

15:10

you know , so that

15:13

that that's . Those are just like my thoughts on that

15:15

, yeah , no , it's well said .

15:16

It's well said , I . I think about

15:19

what James says Uh

15:21

, what does he say ? He says what

15:24

is true religion ? True

15:26

religion is taking care

15:29

of the widows and orphans

15:31

, right , feeding the , the

15:33

hungry and the poor . And

15:35

I think about what christ said right

15:37

, he said , when I was thirsty

15:40

, did you give me something to drink ? Right , did

15:43

you visit me ? Those

15:45

things , I

15:48

think it's interesting . He

15:50

didn't say did

15:53

you go on the street and proclaim

15:55

my , them

15:57

, etc . And certainly , orthodoxy , uh , does that we

16:00

can

16:11

talk a little bit about how the orthodox

16:14

church has grown um

16:16

and evangelized whole nations

16:19

, uh , throughout history . But

16:21

I think that you know , if our

16:24

focus is our own

16:26

salvation through

16:28

the working out of our faith , through

16:31

almsgiving , through sharing

16:34

of our talents , our time , our

16:37

tithe , all these things , I

16:39

think I believe I'll speak for

16:41

myself that God

16:44

in his sovereignty , will

16:46

, lord willing , use that

16:48

, use my pit you know my tiny

16:51

little bits of you , know what I

16:53

do for his kingdom and hopefully

16:56

he's able to use that to maybe , as

16:58

you said , plant a seed or change

17:00

someone's heart yeah , and

17:02

it definitely gets into .

17:03

Like you know , faith alone versus , like

17:05

you know , works are necessary , because

17:08

I believe that when

17:10

Christ says they

17:12

draw near to me with

17:14

their mouth or lips

17:16

, but then their hearts are far from

17:18

me , I think that is literally faith

17:21

. And then you have work . So they

17:23

claim my name , they

17:29

claim my name , they have , they say they have faith , but then

17:31

their hearts because they do not feed , you know , the poor , they don't help

17:33

the homeless , they , they do

17:36

not close . You know , like the scripture also

17:38

says , what good is it to say go

17:40

out and be warm and then you do not

17:42

close that person with like a

17:45

blanket to stay warm ? And so I

17:47

think that that's very when he says they

17:49

draw near to me with their mouth , that

17:51

is faith , but then their

17:54

hearts are from , are far from me . It's

17:56

because they do not , they do

17:58

they lack doing works

18:00

out of love and having

18:02

that action in action

18:04

.

18:06

Yep , yep

18:08

, you can even move , move mountains , you can perform

18:10

miracles . You have , you can have the strongest

18:13

faith in the world to move the very sky

18:15

, as saint paul said that I can do

18:17

all these great things and speak the tongues of angels

18:20

and perform many wonders , but if

18:22

I have no love , it's nothing . So it's . It's

18:24

a mirroring of the idea of faith without works

18:26

is dead . Even faith that has the power to

18:28

move mountains , it's not enough to save you

18:30

.

18:31

Yeah , and then there's another verse , really

18:33

quickly too , that says you know , um

18:35

out of faith , hope and love , which

18:38

is the greatest of these ? And it's

18:40

, it is love .

18:40

Amen . You

18:43

guys , I , I , uh , you

18:45

know you

19:00

guys . I want to reiterate , because I'm hoping

19:02

that I'll share this

19:04

with and I wish , I

19:06

do believe that they're doing it because they want

19:09

to express their love , their Christian

19:11

love , for the world . Right , they

19:13

maybe even would say maybe

19:15

we're just planting seeds . Right , maybe they're not walking

19:18

away saying we had four saved

19:20

souls today . Right , we can , let's

19:23

steel man it all we want , because

19:25

I think that there is a lot of good

19:27

, like you were saying earlier , john , there's

19:29

a lot of good in what they're doing

19:32

, at least in their intentions and

19:34

what they want to bring about . We

19:37

can have conversations about the efficaciousness

19:39

of it . Does it

19:41

work ? Is it effective ? Ought

19:43

we all to be doing it , et cetera , et

19:45

cetera . Objective

19:51

, ought we all to be doing it , etc . Etc . Um , right , but I , but I want to maybe say and

19:53

extend , um , the idea that you

19:55

know we're orthodox christians . You know

19:57

me , I'm a former evangelical , former calvinist

19:59

. Um , I have done

20:02

street preaching , believe it or not , I've

20:04

done it . I've been on the street and I've uh

20:06

, had conversations with people and

20:08

and been out there for that very reason

20:11

. I

20:13

believe that orthodoxy

20:16

is the fullness of the faith

20:18

and to

20:21

embrace the historic

20:23

, ancient practice of the christian faith is

20:25

not to say

20:27

that no one's called to do those

20:30

types of things . We can talk about fools

20:32

for Christ , saints of the church

20:34

who did some things that you might say

20:36

is in some ways can

20:40

be compared to at least street

20:42

preaching , and

20:44

so there's potentially a place

20:46

for that I think Orthodox Christians can have a conversation

20:49

about . Is

20:51

there a place for going out on the streets

20:54

and talking to people openly , that type of

20:56

thing ? But I would , I would

20:58

challenge our protestant

21:01

, our evangelical , our reformed

21:03

friends to

21:05

realize , or to maybe to look at that

21:08

orthodoxy is here , the

21:10

church exists for 2

21:12

000 years and

21:14

it wasn't all brought about because of street

21:16

preaching , and so maybe this

21:18

can open up a conversation with

21:21

what the practice of the church is

21:24

and how we can incorporate and bring

21:26

in more former

21:29

Protestants into the , into the fullness

21:31

of the church , the body of Christ . I'd

21:33

love to hear you guys's thoughts yeah

21:36

, I absolutely .

21:38

I agree with everything .

21:42

Yeah , I mean , there was St

21:44

Gabriel , the fool for Christ of Georgia

21:46

, who actually was , I think

21:48

, waving a cross as he was being escorted

21:50

on a motorcycle by

21:52

a Soviet officer and

22:03

he was saying yeah , jesus is the gospel

22:05

. On the streets of Jerusalem , st Paul

22:07

going around and preaching to the

22:10

rabbis and the Jews and the pagan

22:12

Greeks .

22:14

And the Areopagus the marketplace Yep

22:16

.

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Right . But it wasn't . They weren't

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going around obviously saying , yeah , I'm going to

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save these people right here and

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now . They're going to say the sinner's prayer

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, um , and that's it . They're going to be

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set for . Obviously they did not have that mentality

22:29

. It was more like an invitation . It's

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the proclamation of the gospel , is an invitation

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to the body of christ , to church

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, to the church and , ultimately

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, to the kingdom our job

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is just to preach the gospel , but

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it's not our job of whether or not they

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accept it in that moment .

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Yeah , yeah , yeah , well said

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. Have you guys heard the saying ? I'm not sure who

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said it originally , but something like

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we are called to preach the gospel

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and , if necessary

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, use words . I

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think there's an Orthodox

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, you know , kind of maxim in there

23:06

that first and foremost , we need

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to live the faith , we need to live

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the faith in love , and

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that's not easy to do , and

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I think maybe before we go

23:20

throwing stones at anybody , we need

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to make sure that our own house

23:24

is in order . And so you

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know , I think , ultimately , I

23:31

guess we'll have to table the conclusion

23:33

. I don't know if we can conclude in this episode

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what street

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preaching ought to

23:40

be or , you know , does it have a place

23:42

in orthodoxy , etc

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. But I think it's a conversation we can continue

23:47

and maybe we can open up with

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our Protestant brothers and sisters

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and

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see where it takes us . For

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sure , awesome . I'm

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curious just as kind

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of the tail end of this . We just got a couple more minutes

24:05

here . I

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have known over the years a number

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of Jehovah's Witnesses and

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Latter-day Saints , people

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I went to school with , etc . I

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even work with someone currently who's Jehovah's

24:18

Witness and , as you know

24:20

, audience that they go door to door . They

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believe that they're called

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to go door to door . It's their

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evangelism , right ? They

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would say the same exact thing . In fact

24:33

, they have said the same thing . How come

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you , as an Orthodox Christian , don't

24:37

go door to door ? Right , priscilla

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, it's part of your story . You

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were communicating with

24:45

Lds missionaries for

24:47

a while who had gone door-to-door . Can

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you guys talk about ? What's

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the connection here ? What's , what's the distinction

24:56

between this

24:58

conversation and what these

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um , these , you

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know cults do on a regular

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basis ?

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um , I kind of think they're just like

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the street preachers in the sense

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that they have this sense of urgency

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to try to convert as many people as possible

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. Um , because

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of their view , their soteriology

25:21

, just the whole Western mindset

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is so different from the Orthodox

25:27

pronima , like

25:30

our way of living and our way of thinking

25:33

here in the East for

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a business .

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If you look at it from more of like a bird's eye point of view , if you just zoom

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out , that's what it looks like . It looks kind of similar to how people advertise

25:51

for I don't know , like lemonade

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or a cereal box . And

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yeah , obviously they don't intend to do that . Obviously

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, if you ask these people , is this a

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business ? No , this is a way of life for me

26:04

. This is , you know , the one , the , the

26:06

, the true faith , and we want to

26:08

spread it to the four corners of the earth

26:10

. But just the methodology . I guess it's just

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baked into us here in

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the American West that

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it's kind of hard to break

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loose of that methodology , that mindset

26:21

. So , yeah , it's kind of kind of like you

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gotta , you gotta kind of , you know , peddle

26:26

it to as many people as possible , like

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like a business . Would a business would also do the

26:30

same thing . We gotta sell it , you

26:32

know , as much as possible , as many people as

26:35

possible interesting .

26:37

There's a famous man

26:40

named hank handegraaff . He

26:43

used to be called the Bible answer man

26:45

. He was a Protestant for years

26:47

. He actually converted to Orthodoxy . I

26:49

believe , I heard yes , really

26:51

awesome .

26:52

And all the Protestants did not

26:54

want him to keep the name . They

26:56

wanted him to change his name . And then all of

26:59

a sudden he became discreditable . Like James

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White , everybody , like all his knowledge

27:03

that he had , it was just like yeah're

27:05

you're .

27:06

Yeah , they didn't want to pay attention to it . Right

27:08

, you're exactly right , priscilla . I

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think that um and

27:12

and we'll , we'll be closing it out right

27:14

now . But one thing he used to say , cause

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he was part of this organization called uh

27:19

, oh , what

27:22

was CRI , christian research Institute

27:24

, just Protestant

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group that would kind of combat cults and what's

27:28

not . But he said , are

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you willing to do for the

27:32

truth what

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the cults do for a

27:37

lie ? And I think it's

27:39

an interesting question , right , are

27:41

you willing to do for the truth what the cults

27:43

do for a lie ? I think that's a question

27:45

that we can all ask ourselves , right , Because certainly

27:47

as Orthodox Christians

27:50

, we know that we are to give ourselves

27:52

entirely right

27:54

, all of us . What did Christ tell the rich

27:56

young ruler ? Sell everything you have

27:58

and give it to the poor and come , follow me . Right , that's

28:01

the call , and I know me personally

28:03

. I fall short of that every single day . So

28:09

I just want to leave my final thoughts here before we

28:12

let . John and priscilla will give you the last word today . Look to the

28:14

, the teachings of the church as

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they've been preserved for 2 000 years in

28:20

holy orthodoxy . Find a parish

28:22

near you and go and talk to a priest .

28:26

Amen , I agree

28:28

with you and I absolutely

28:31

loved , you know , being on

28:33

this episode and talking about this

28:35

topic . Maybe

28:38

we can talk more into depth on the details

28:40

of these , you

28:42

know , within the straight evangelism and the mechanics

28:44

within it . But

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other than that , yeah , Amen

28:50

, john , take us out .

28:53

Well , preach the good news in

28:55

season , out of season , whether

28:57

by words or deeds or both

28:59

, and obviously with

29:01

the right mindset , and it is a gift

29:04

given to certain people . Not everyone

29:06

is called to be a homily giver , right , and obviously with

29:08

the right mindset , and it is a gift given to certain people . Not

29:10

everyone is called to be a homily giver

29:12

, right ? Not everyone's called to be an apologist

29:14

, but we are , each and every one of us , called to preach

29:17

the gospel in our own unique way , and

29:20

some people preach it by silence .

29:23

Yes , well said you guys . Thank you so

29:25

much . Awesome discussion

29:27

. Those of you guys . Thank you so much . Awesome discussion . Those

29:29

of you listening . Thank you for listening to the end of this . This has been Cloud of Witnesses

29:31

Radio . Yes , but I've been joined

29:33

with Priscilla and John . Super

29:36

grateful for you guys . God bless you

29:38

. Bye-bye

29:40

, goodbye . John , thank you

29:42

so much for staying right up to the point . I

29:44

know you've got to run . Priscilla , thank you , thank you . Thank you so much

29:46

for staying right up to the point . I know you got to run , thank you , thank you . Thank you . Yeah , I'm going to get Nico

29:49

. Nico is coming on soon . I talked to him

29:51

. Yes , it's going to be awesome . So we'll do this

29:53

again soon . I love you guys . I really appreciate

29:55

you .

29:57

You too , jeremy . Thank you

29:59

, god bless God bless you

30:01

.