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Everybody. And welcome to classical stuff you should

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know. We're

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here ago and this is where I am. I'm here

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all laughing because we have been. Still,

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Arguing about the stuff that we talked about last

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episode our and it's like into our listeners as

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a week ago but as was like like mere

0:23

minutes yet years ago and then we also argued

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or to our else now residing they turned off

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like like a half hour in between episode and

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then we I came back from the bathroom and

0:32

we were still arguing about it and. From.

0:34

What I can tell we agree and there

0:36

won't be in equivocation. But anyway, none of

0:39

this matters. I don't think given his argument

0:41

either year is vandalizing. But what? I ah

0:43

so messed up. Going

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to the case, we're all still friends even

0:48

if we disagree on the Christ you know

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the Cross as effective for you and the

0:52

for it works the christian faith or great

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In any case, I. Just want

0:56

to talk about one of the pooh men

0:59

have only the whom. Sometimes just want to

1:01

talk Canada as great as big as this

1:03

classical stuff you should know my name is

1:05

a Hindenburg of here with Thomas, Mair Guy

1:07

and Ram Donald Cielo and we are all

1:09

best friends and now we're going to talk

1:11

about a children's book with cool what a

1:13

What an introduction. Yeah so I guess this

1:15

is the continued series of Thomas talking about

1:17

the books he actually reads. which at this

1:19

point in life with three little three little

1:21

ones is going to be a bunch of

1:23

kids books. So we're going to where we

1:25

the pooh We're going. Talk about a million

1:27

We're going to talk about each shepherd.

1:31

Which are about your. Why? I'm

1:33

just an ideal connection to him. You know he

1:35

makes me nervous. Want to have like how popular

1:37

he is? Oh this is interesting You will get

1:39

to. It's like the wrong characters being pulled out

1:41

I think. so. Yeah, yeah, we'll get to you.

1:43

Think you're like predestined that we were, don't? You

1:45

can agree of their own focus on this. Okay,

1:47

so. Yeah and dugout

1:49

when you the pool. lots of different directions

1:51

to take it. Will be talking a little

1:53

bit about this. I've the book in front

1:55

of me I sent you all birds and

1:58

to all the link but I guess. The

2:00

way of getting into that I don't. I

2:02

don't know if these are stories everyone knows

2:04

about Graham like off the bat knew all

2:07

this back story about when he the pool

2:09

or maybe this is Manila. reason Canadians know

2:11

about it is because when he is named

2:13

Isabella named after the city of Winnipeg with

2:15

him Canadian City Center Winnie the Pooh acts

2:17

as a Canadian Bear so let's live off

2:19

go through that. So I guess what are

2:21

from this angle. So they're the stories called

2:23

Winnie the Pooh. they're actually based on a

2:25

real bear and they're based on a real

2:27

cost for up and right? Okay let's take

2:29

the link the due to nephew recently son.

2:31

So. Last Axiom: The answer Christopher

2:34

Robin Milne is. Go. That

2:36

the Christopher Robin and than a male. And

2:38

as the guy who's the guy riding. And

2:40

so Ill started with the Winnie the Pooh

2:43

side of things southern. There's an actual bear

2:45

that. Become are there

2:47

They real Winnie the Pooh? I guess is

2:49

is is one way the taken. They're technically

2:51

to real Winnie the Pooh. I guess we'll

2:54

start with the one you're talking about. Graham.

2:56

So these other than knowing the origin of

2:58

the name, do you know if you know

3:00

anymore about the story on. Was.

3:02

It a bear that was on

3:05

was. I. Really don't know if

3:07

I I I don't I'll never had a

3:09

has some to do with the war and

3:11

dumb. Either. The bear was brought

3:13

to a zoo to get him away from

3:15

the war. More something like that. Yeah, camera.

3:17

so what will go like this? So once

3:19

upon a time there's a guy named Harry

3:21

Coburn. And Harry Colburn was a

3:24

this as I always want to say of

3:26

that's going to World War Two with atomic

3:28

of veterans that he's is a veterinarian right?

3:30

He was an animal doctor who was going

3:32

to serve in a world War One and

3:35

I might have just misspoken going to serve

3:37

in World War One and he's Canadian with

3:39

I said. I only started

3:41

looking this up to his born in

3:43

England than move to Canada when he

3:45

was eighteen. And another point the story

3:47

is taking place. he's leaving Canada to

3:50

claim him. a mechanic famous anybody does

3:52

popular that have any time and can

3:54

spare will claim Hemingway. I mean that's

3:56

okay. cool. So Coburn starts off this

3:58

journey. I think it's nineteen. Fourteen.

4:02

Is yeah easy is heading off leading

4:04

Canada is gonna go to fight in

4:06

Europe I guess is is gonna be

4:09

of a veterinarian were helping with world

4:11

war one thing place over in Europe

4:13

so he's is on this journey and

4:15

of the take a little saab and

4:18

they take the stop in White river

4:20

Ontario this. That on

4:22

answers Muslim small town malthouse and the

4:25

as that they're They're on a train,

4:27

Governors on a train. The

4:29

take a stop the get to

4:31

white river Ontario and they get

4:33

off the train in Culver and

4:35

walking around and he sees this

4:37

trapper sitting there. so this person

4:39

who hunt spares this person who

4:41

if we're compares and he's sitting

4:44

there with a a a baby

4:46

bear and he no idea. If

4:48

it's not explicitly said are out on it

4:50

it appear in a trapper has killed the

4:53

the parents of this have this baby bear

4:55

and now has just as as their name

4:57

for a child bear Wilson are a couple

4:59

yeah to bear cub thank you That's to

5:02

the come to me more quickly success of

5:04

our White River is a title township just

5:06

north of Lake Superior. Songs in northern side

5:08

of Ontario Ontario Canada hawks down underneath the

5:11

Forty ninth Parallel. Guess and this is above

5:13

the Forty Ninth ripe serve on the northern

5:15

part of Lake Superior. Him. So.

5:18

Coburn. Sees this as trapper sitting

5:21

there with bear cub and. Out

5:23

kind of. Out of wins he

5:26

kind of out of just spur of

5:28

the moment decision buys that bear, buys

5:30

the bear cub from this trap or

5:32

to sitting on a side of that

5:35

the train tracks essentially buys the bear

5:37

for twenty bucks. This

5:40

is nineteen fourteen says is approximately six

5:42

hundred dollars and today money dank, not

5:44

nothing right I'm bad thing in the

5:46

grand scheme of what when he the

5:49

pooh became probably small change but by

5:51

the spare and his regimen is like

5:53

what the heck are you doing like

5:55

why are you buying a bear as

5:58

we're going after after war gets. The

6:00

it made fun of a little bit of

6:02

for this and am. Ah has

6:04

the name this Bear So you've already

6:06

made reference to the So the Bears

6:08

named Winnie And where does the name

6:10

come from? Our I thought it

6:13

was from the city when it is and

6:15

that's where this this regimens when a group

6:17

of a group of soldiers as from so

6:19

like old mascot is their mascot that exactly

6:21

what it is. So they by the bear

6:23

while they're still in Canada. They then go

6:25

to Europe. they bring the bear with them

6:27

for the bear make the long journey with

6:29

them and becomes kind of a mascot for

6:31

what are they called the at the Fort

6:33

Garry course that the other the the name

6:35

of the regiment of the Fort Garry Horse

6:38

and so their. Mascot. Is

6:40

a bear which I guess make sense

6:42

am. And so. There's just

6:44

a bear hanging out with these people. don't After World

6:46

War One. Well. Ah,

6:51

Coburn starts getting promoted and it

6:53

has is having more and more

6:55

trouble like maintaining a bear. ah,

6:57

keeping a bear around and in

6:59

entertained and so he ultimately will

7:01

donate Winnie to the London Zoo.

7:03

That's. Where many up in the London

7:05

zoo am through this kind of weird

7:08

happenstance of guys gone to war runs

7:10

across a bear by them. They come

7:12

to London. For. Their yup got one

7:14

side of were. Aware when

7:16

he comes from Amd and

7:19

there's a i'm. A

7:21

guy should also admit that is I became the

7:23

pooh You have not. We have not gotten their

7:25

get. This. Is my question coming into

7:27

this little weird? Title. For

7:30

something and I'm wondering and my question also

7:32

is where does this come from I hope

7:34

you will appreciate the answer. if you it's

7:36

one of your links is to the Winnie

7:38

the Pooh story like the original one and

7:40

will read that would give the answer. I'm.

7:43

Just so I am somewhat citing my

7:45

sources I've made a joke in that

7:47

a may episodes that my only source

7:50

of information on like important cultural things

7:52

like art or whatever if from children's

7:54

books and as a great book called

7:56

Finding Winnie written by Lindsay Matic and

7:59

illustrated by so. The black or

8:01

so be Black or I'm

8:03

Lindsay Matic is the I

8:05

think she's the granddaughter. A

8:07

great granddaughter of Govern. Of

8:09

of the guy who bought winning in

8:11

the first place have to write this

8:13

is a cool connection there. The.

8:17

One. And. Then obviously the Swinney

8:19

at the London Zoo will have to

8:21

intersect with the author of these books

8:23

at some point that the other way

8:25

that will take things. Am.

8:29

So. I guess in

8:31

in conjunction or the around the same

8:33

time there's this guy named a a

8:35

Milne and that is for Allen Alexander

8:38

Milne. He's the author of the Winnie

8:40

The Pooh Bucks. Am. And

8:42

he is. or hit the can. He's

8:44

A is an author. He's I think

8:46

he's written at a children's book at

8:48

the prior to when he writes these

8:50

Winnie the Pooh books am but he

8:52

looking for ideas of what to write

8:54

about. Am. And.

8:57

Am. Piece is

9:00

to look for ideas. He's asserts looking

9:02

at the toys that his kid plays

9:04

with in so with kid has that

9:06

his kid Christopher Robin has a bear.

9:08

And. Bear goes by a few names as as

9:10

Bear goes by the name Teddy. Bear.

9:13

Goes by the name Edward. He goes by the name

9:15

Big Bear. Edward is just formal is that? I mean

9:17

honestly though, And then

9:19

ultimately will change the name of his

9:21

stuffed bear to Winnie after meeting the

9:23

bear at the London Zoo. So Christopher

9:26

Robin meets Winnie Real bear at the

9:28

London Zoo loves despair somehow builds this

9:30

a built like it is given permission

9:32

by the zoo keepers. This is a

9:35

a horrifying store Him about the it's

9:37

like go closer to the bear like

9:39

to go past the like outdoor enclosure

9:41

to go closer. To the Bahamas, you keeper!

9:44

I'm looking for those ah practices to see

9:46

silver to figure out on a silver little

9:48

excitement in your day to day I guess.

9:50

Gotta save money on bill somewhere as I

9:52

guess that this is the sound like add

9:54

a terrible precursor to is a grizzly man.

9:56

What's the oh yeah and the Werner Herzog

9:58

thing about Canadian. Narrator

10:01

one gets any very good guy you can hear

10:03

you said grizzly mans also Canadian. the man like

10:05

will stuff up there but gruesome is like like

10:07

that. The guy himself the bear advocated canadian

10:09

pretty sure doesn't and very well we do not

10:12

involve him of it's grizzly is as quick

10:14

as way in fact. And

10:17

I guess from their that gives us

10:19

so. Milan a

10:21

male and will eventually right two

10:23

sets of stories about Winnie the

10:25

Pooh again will read from one

10:28

of them. And

10:30

then. Also writes a thing

10:32

is to books of poetry. Sat in

10:34

this hundred acre woods world am so.

10:37

Ultimately not that much source material

10:39

to start with, but then from

10:41

that. Probably. Most importantly,

10:44

Pat Winnie the Pooh gets picked

10:46

up as of her movies, so

10:48

there's a sort feature at I

10:50

think in the sixties and then

10:53

ultimately the. Nineteen.

10:55

Seventies film have to my notes I'm. Trying.

10:58

To find it but ultimately picked up

11:00

for movies and then popularity just grows

11:02

from there to the point that like

11:04

billions of dollars of merchandise in the

11:06

Winnie the Pooh universe has sold every

11:08

year. So very much a very much

11:11

a big deal. Am.

11:14

A few things just before we get

11:17

into reading a little bit again, this

11:19

being a podcast you'll hear as reading

11:21

the words that are Mills words am

11:24

but a similar to a Beatrix Potter

11:26

who we've talked about. An important piece

11:28

of these books are the illustrations and

11:30

does. Illustrations are done by each shepherd

11:33

at least for these these first for

11:35

out the again two sets of short

11:37

stories and two books of poetry lizard

11:40

on by he had shepherd. I will

11:42

not be able to do justice to

11:44

the illustrations. maybe someone will describe them

11:46

we get to that point but i'm

11:48

similar to potter this the early winnie

11:51

the pooh bucks have entered the public

11:53

domain as of twenty twenty two i

11:55

want to say so while it's not

11:57

the ideal way to experience these books

12:00

You can go if you want to go and look at

12:02

the I know what you're doing. I know I'm making

12:04

a that a sub tweet Do you know an email

12:06

is an email that I'm saying it. I'm sub tweeting

12:08

that all your emails. Yeah, I'm yelling Oh, is it

12:11

an email something like like, you know, how dare you

12:13

or like, why would you say Beatrix Potter should be

12:15

looked at? I'm project Gutenberg. Well, yes, despite the email

12:17

recipient the email writers deep love of project. Goomba She

12:19

was like for children's book. You should always get the

12:21

book and which is true. I have a kid in

12:23

your lap and read that book Yeah, which is very

12:26

true, which is very true. So please go by one

12:28

of the kids they'll read the kids and

12:32

Just on the EH Shepherd thing

12:35

an important part to the popularity and the kind

12:37

of enduring nature of these books Milne

12:42

Inscribed on the copy of the

12:45

first Winnie the Pooh book that Shepherd received

12:49

this little poem When

12:52

I am gone, let's Shepherd decorate my

12:54

tomb and put if there is room

12:56

to pictures on the stone Piglet

12:58

from page 111 and poo

13:00

and piglet walking and Peter thinking

13:02

that they are my own will welcome me to

13:05

heaven And

13:07

the the poo and piglet one is the I

13:09

think of it as a hand-in-hand walking into the sunset

13:11

It's that it's that famous picture is what he's referencing.

13:14

So I Again,

13:16

I will not be able to describe how

13:18

important that the art is to it But

13:20

please take a look for yourself to to

13:22

see that Not

13:24

everyone loved Winnie the Pooh, maybe let's start there

13:26

you have a link that says criticism I believe

13:31

So, you know, I'm gonna speak in

13:33

glowing terms about this book but

13:35

not all critics loved it at the time so this

13:37

is Dorothy

13:39

Parker famous critic for writing for the

13:41

New Yorker Was

13:45

not a famous satirist was not a

13:47

fan of Milne's beloved bear I

13:51

Don't know if it'll be worth We

13:54

can read it. It's not very long Who

13:56

wants to read nonsense poems that in fact

13:58

come from Milne's book? Didn't

14:00

go through that dead the more his nose.

14:03

Yes, so Graham will start at the beginning

14:05

and then a Jd Want to read the

14:07

the rest of it? Essentially just least cook

14:09

great. The this

14:11

is gonna start with gram Gram it will

14:13

be quoting. Winnie. The Pooh

14:15

written by Milan and then Aj will

14:18

be reading would Dorothy Parker said about

14:20

having to read when he the poop.

14:24

The more it snows tidily palm

14:26

the more it goes thinly palm

14:28

the more it goes totally palm

14:31

on snowing and nobody knows Tidily

14:33

palm how cold my toes tidily

14:35

palm how cold my toes totally

14:37

palm are growing. The.

14:40

Both lyric is causing the Sith page of

14:42

Mister A A Milne New Book The House

14:44

A to corner for although the workers in

14:46

prose there are frequent droppings into cadence mean

14:48

see. This. Was designated as a hum

14:51

the pops into the head of Winnie the

14:53

Pooh as you standing outside piglets house in

14:55

the snow jumping up and down to keep

14:57

warm. It seemed to him a

14:59

good hum such as is hum hopefully to

15:01

others. In fact, so good a hum. Did

15:03

it seem that he and Piglet started right

15:05

out through the snow to summit, hopefully to

15:08

your oh darn their i've gone and given

15:10

away the plot. Oh, I could bite my

15:12

tongue out. As they are trotting along against

15:14

the flakes, Piglet begins to weaken a bit.

15:17

Who He said it last and a little

15:19

timidly because he didn't want to to think

15:21

he was giving in. I was just wondering

15:23

how would be if we went home now

15:25

and practiced your song and sang to your

15:27

tomorrow or. Or. The next day when we

15:29

happen to see him. As a

15:31

very good idea Piglet said to. Will.

15:34

Practice it now as we go along, but it's no

15:36

good going home to practice it because it's a special

15:38

outdoor song which has to be sung in the snow.

15:42

Sir. As. Well.

15:45

You'll see Piglet when you listen because this

15:48

is how begins the more it snows tidily

15:50

palm totally what subsequent he took as you

15:52

might say the very words out of your

15:55

correspondence mouth. Palm. Said poop.

15:57

I put that in there to make it

15:59

more humming. Editor: That word a homie

16:01

my darlings that makes the first place

16:03

in the house at Pooh Corner at

16:05

which Constant Wieder float up. So may

16:08

that guy said the Parker went by

16:10

the name Constant Reader said again at

16:12

the very into saying that at this

16:14

is what may comes to read or

16:17

throw up was having to a secondary

16:19

through this so not the universal Acclaim

16:21

bus he the there's something to. What

16:24

our rule for classics. It's lasted a hundred

16:27

years. So our. At

16:29

on out to the Pru. Parker? Wrong and I know

16:31

maybe. Or maybe this is that the

16:33

air know how to feel that when in to. Tell.

16:36

Me: Why? They're.

16:41

I don't. I mean. They.

16:44

Just seems so. Unhinged

16:47

if it's dunno are less Podcast was

16:49

on his way way what? he was

16:51

his family what you mean by and

16:53

I'm not the other. why think that

16:56

maybe there is on purpose. Piglet is

16:58

always anxious up who is kind of

17:00

like and oblivious. More on the rabbit

17:03

is on like he's like. I'll always

17:05

associate him with sort of like and

17:07

nineteen eighties like stock trader. Okay, ah,

17:10

I'm not sorry, doesn't the tiger? The

17:12

tigers like that ago. The rabbit is

17:14

kind of like a busybody has. For

17:17

your is clinically depressed and

17:19

Christopher Robin is this like

17:21

are you crazy animals Yeah

17:23

and I'm like. These he will need

17:25

an adult. These you will need help. I've

17:27

always thought that these animals need. Structure.

17:30

Yeah, the ring or the just archetypes

17:32

like rabbits are busy Think that's our

17:34

timid. Bears. Or roly Poly. Because

17:37

of don't these are often sad because donkeys

17:39

have pretty bad jobs and then tigers bathroom.

17:41

but. Are they happy? He's. Not

17:44

all of them and then I mean yours unhappy.

17:46

But if you try to make him not as

17:48

you try to make him happy he doesn't want

17:50

to do and I know that's why I've always

17:52

funny or frustrating that way that he can't be

17:54

made happily him and may have is the way

17:56

ah I'm Anna how and then like the tiger

17:58

is is just not. Like want him to

18:01

be prudent. And

18:03

the rabbit own on his I said of

18:05

have sought some incredible I've always found I

18:07

thought the I've always found it for some

18:10

reason I have found them to be frustrating

18:12

new kitten and have been person I blame

18:14

the most where it's okay Did you feel

18:17

this is a child? Yes I definitely felt

18:19

this is uncharted A year old salary like

18:21

as I wish that's how you know be

18:23

more pronounced dizzying as I said no this

18:26

i deathly member as a child is feeling

18:28

like Christopher Robin had a responsibility as the

18:30

human to. Like. help them

18:32

with more to like. Six. Things

18:35

order like order them and he didn't

18:37

and he was just like silly old

18:39

bears. like know, bringing Christopher Robin like.

18:42

You. Have. You. As.

18:45

The. You know, Adults.

18:47

In the room or whatever. I always I

18:49

always just cause they're talking animals. Associated them with

18:51

Narnia. An interview you have noble creatures new of

18:53

evil creatures in his hands of in here it

18:55

is godlike. Like. You

18:58

just got your. In. There

19:00

are no their that they all need

19:02

therapy, these animals and dumb and Christopher

19:04

Robin was I always thought was in

19:06

the position to guide them and he

19:08

doesn't be about So I was felt

19:11

frustrated by that. I

19:13

necessarily my hang up as a target

19:15

we don't talk about as you're taking

19:17

the. The task given in

19:19

Genesis, the like, cultivate and road in absolute

19:22

serious I am and being frustrated with Christopher

19:24

Robin that he just wants to experience the

19:26

animals as they are him. As a

19:28

problem, yeah, like I can see the I

19:30

can see the Clippers. Every single animal is

19:32

like a Dsm archetype and Chris Robin is

19:34

should be helping them out Needham. But I

19:36

mean you can pick would be less of

19:38

of these abilities and grown to pick eventually.

19:40

In the pic below, estimate him up so

19:42

a toggle get old and sloss maybe. But

19:44

Chris, but in the stories don't go down.

19:46

In the in the stories, they don't work

19:49

towards the same sort of the story. They

19:51

don't get to higher moral places like a

19:53

frog and toad right or light, even in

19:55

or in any button or even your even

19:57

and beat annual. Fees. As part of but like

19:59

they don't. At the end of it,

20:01

they don't like improve as characters. They kind of

20:03

just bumble, mumble through. Yeah. I also just, yeah.

20:05

I think as a kid, I got bored because

20:07

I just felt like it wasn't going anywhere. Did

20:10

you read the story or was that from like the movies? I

20:13

think most of the cartoon. Yeah. I was like,

20:15

nothing really happened. I like Tigger because he's exciting,

20:17

but everything else seems boring. Now, are there great

20:19

differences between the cartoons and the stories? Well, it

20:21

depends which one. So the the first movie, the

20:23

nineteen, is it seventy seven or seventy six? The

20:25

many adventures of winning ninety seven. The many adventures

20:27

of Winnie the Pooh is a very it's a

20:29

faithful retelling of Winnie the Pooh, the first

20:31

one. But again, there's not

20:33

much source material. It's two books and

20:35

it's two books of stories, two books

20:38

of poems. Everything after that

20:40

is, I was going to say made up, but I

20:42

guess it's all made up. But as

20:45

opposed to the real Winnie the Pooh, I

20:47

know there was a real Winnie, never mind. But yeah,

20:50

the so there might be something

20:52

to like them. It's the same Peter

20:54

Rabbit problem, maybe that like the old

20:56

PBS cartoon rules in the like newer

21:00

3D animated one that's like not based on

21:02

the Beatrix Potter stories are not great. Like

21:04

disobey your parents. Yeah, that's the like the

21:06

original ones are like you'll get shot if

21:08

you don't listen to your friends, who's like

21:10

a really well behaved person. And

21:13

the new ones are all the cool kids

21:15

break into stuff. Yeah, I guess is another way of

21:17

reading all that. That's right. I

21:19

think that's fair. And I guess

21:21

I'm so Mel

21:24

would probably follow more in the it's an

21:26

entertaining story for kids. So

21:29

like the characters in

21:31

Winnie the Pooh, almost all of them

21:33

are just toys that his son had that

21:35

Christopher Robin had. I think there are two

21:37

that were added for the purpose

21:39

of the story. But like the original

21:42

dolls, like there is an original Winnie

21:45

the Pooh, there's an original Eeyore, there's

21:47

an original piglet. And

21:50

I think they might I don't know if they're still there, but for a

21:52

long time they were at the New York

21:54

like one of the New York libraries. Like

21:56

they're they're kept there essentially. find

22:00

that charming that the one way to

22:02

read this is as if father is

22:04

like incorporating it's not too

22:06

far off from if I've talked about this

22:08

stop me like Tolkien has

22:10

a series of letters that he wrote to his like stop

22:12

stop stop stop okay to his

22:15

nieces and nephews about Father Christmas like

22:17

pretending to be Father Christmas writing these

22:19

letters to them and then those those

22:21

letters were then collected and published as

22:23

a book but it's not really meant

22:25

for that it's meant as letters to

22:27

family or like how Franz Kafka like

22:29

pretended to be a lost girl's doll

22:31

going on adventures yeah and then you

22:33

know the story so the Franz

22:36

Kafka was really bumped up against this girl she

22:38

was crying because she lost her doll and he

22:40

felt really bad and he said oh your doll

22:43

isn't lost to your doll I bumped into it

22:45

she's going on a voyage and she's going on

22:47

adventures give me your address and she

22:49

says she was gonna write me give me address and

22:51

I'll send you and I'll send you her postcards and

22:53

girls like awesome and so

22:55

for years Franz Franz Kafka wrote

22:58

this little girl dolls adventures

23:01

and he eventually bought

23:03

a doll and was like I'm coming

23:05

home and mailed it to her and

23:07

the little girl responded this doesn't look

23:09

anything like my lost doll and Franz

23:13

Kafka wrote back and said something

23:15

on the lines of like all

23:18

journeys transform you and that

23:21

was it right like I

23:23

was transformed on my voyage

23:26

I guess

23:30

the only other thing to we've made some

23:32

references to it but just kind of timeline

23:34

stuff so Milne is a

23:36

a Milne Allen Alexander Milne the dad

23:39

the guy who writes these books is

23:42

born in 1882 he'll then die in 1956 and then from

23:48

1956 on it's this kind of bouncing back and

23:50

forth of who has the who the rights who

23:53

owns the rights to Winnie the Pooh maybe this

23:55

is something only I find interesting but he he

23:58

Gives these rights to. A

24:00

few different peter and groups. One is

24:02

the Royal Literary Fund. One. Is

24:04

the Westminster School and the other is the

24:07

Gierek Club. The. You know any

24:09

of these organizations? Know, but

24:11

I'm assuming the Westminster School is this

24:13

is the the school as associated with

24:15

the church which was probably like choir

24:18

school at some point. It's Am. Isn't

24:21

and the thing in England where that what

24:23

they call public schools what we would call

24:25

a private greg to the kind of flip

24:27

that private school easing american terms that as

24:29

if you know I mean. They've

24:32

a list of their prominent members:

24:34

three Nobel laureates am. How

24:37

many as a number of Prime

24:39

Minister's a seven Uk Prime Minister's

24:41

attended there and you know a

24:43

well, a while to do school

24:45

right that Milne was associated with.

24:48

The Royal Literary Fund is this

24:50

is a fun that am I

24:52

misreading author gives assistance to published

24:55

British writers and difficult financial situations.

24:57

And then that Garrick Club is

24:59

like of social club that Milne

25:02

was associated with am. So.

25:05

They're the ones who get these rights to

25:07

what becomes Winnie the Pooh and his Family,

25:09

I should say as well. them. So.

25:12

I'm Christopher Robin received up a portion of

25:15

that ownership and then Melons widow also Am

25:17

received a portion of that ownership. She would

25:19

then go on to sell that to the

25:22

publisher associated with with Melon Am and they

25:24

were. This is all going. Is that Am

25:26

against any body? The I didn't I mean

25:28

that's where this goes is that in in

25:31

the Nineteen sixties is when the first feature

25:33

at comes out and they start paying the

25:35

licensing see I think is twice a year

25:37

they pay a bunch of money to all

25:40

these people who own the rights. Nineteen

25:42

seventies come around. They put out the many

25:44

adventures of Winnie the Pooh that I've already

25:47

referenced. Am it becomes

25:49

more popular, they're still paying as

25:51

licensing fee. in

25:53

an ultimately by two thousand and one disney

25:55

just decides to pay for it out right

25:57

instead of paying until the end of this

25:59

life agreement. So they pay 350 million

26:02

dollars to the

26:04

owners. And again,

26:07

this goes from a guy

26:09

met a bear at a zoo 100 years

26:12

before that and then to be 350 million dollars in 2001, which

26:18

is probably even like a steal compared to again,

26:20

if you're making billions of dollars a year

26:22

in sales on the stuff, it's a

26:24

good deal, right? So are

26:26

you thinking Thomas that all your little stories that

26:28

you're running for Asher and you will pay off

26:30

one day, we got to publish them, right? They

26:33

would have to be original for me to be able to do that. And

26:35

it's all all Asher wants every night.

26:37

All he wants is tell me a Star Wars story. That's

26:39

all he says every day. Let's make it up. I

26:41

do make it up, but like they're not very good.

26:43

And so we've now gone through all nine of the

26:45

films multiple times. And so now he just wants me

26:47

to retell those stories over and over again. Oh,

26:50

what's the Thomas Magby version of the Phantom

26:52

Menace? That one's very short.

26:55

And so we talk about there are cars that go fast.

26:58

There's pod racing. We don't talk about the diplomatic stuff

27:00

because that's super boring. We're talking about like trade agreements.

27:03

So you have to understand. Naboo

27:07

was encircled by, no. Yeah,

27:09

there's a boy born into poverty and

27:15

he has to race to get out

27:17

and the Jedi's don't fight unless they

27:19

have to. Like they don't force Watto

27:22

to give up. And again, they make a deal. That

27:25

was the most boring way I could have told that. I promise my kid loves

27:27

the story. And then all Will does.

27:29

I just sing him amazing grace every night. And then he goes to

27:32

bed. So it's pretty great. 2001,

27:35

big money. That's the 350 million. 2022, the original book of stories

27:37

enters the public domain.

27:45

Do either of you know what then happens after this? Like

27:47

a weird thing in the Winnie the Pooh world happens after

27:49

this? I don't. There's a movie that comes

27:51

out. There's a horror movie that comes out about

27:54

Winnie the Pooh. I

27:56

know. And Then you have the 100 acre woods. Agee's looking at me

27:58

like I'm a crazy person. Yes, that's right. What? and

28:00

honey? Yes, Winnie the Pooh Lie member.

28:02

Okay, so it's like a Nas is

28:05

because it was in the com and

28:07

are named Winnie the Pooh Been pleasantly

28:09

to come. Seventeen Twenty four I imagine

28:11

it did well, mostly for the shock

28:13

of it, not for the quality necessarily.

28:16

I'm an accidental homers and made. It

28:18

was made for a one hundred thousand dollars

28:21

in a gross five when two million known

28:23

as a five point two million dollars getting

28:25

in America? Return Em America right? But the

28:27

funny that I might watch the movie my

28:29

understanding is that so because it's only the

28:31

characters that entered the public domain, none of

28:33

the. Know

28:36

the and will speak because the voices are

28:38

not in the public domain. Like it's not

28:40

the Disney movies that are they are, it's

28:42

the story version of them. Milne First published

28:44

and. Nineteen. Twenty Five or whatever

28:47

one's am, sort of, if that's if you're

28:49

looking to way some time that so. You

28:52

could go watch that, but I don't

28:55

recommend it and it's probably very bad

28:57

and. Intellectual property is

28:59

weird. Stuff. So.

29:02

We. Actually start to should we read

29:04

a little bit. Silly little. hate it Stewart's. Of.

29:06

I say I am saying like. I

29:09

don't think it has moral as your wanted to be

29:11

that that's that's I'm just and you might. That might

29:13

be a weakness of it. I'm open to that. It

29:16

being. Less.

29:18

Than Beatrix Potter with that one? I don't know.

29:20

I. Think it does everything have

29:22

to be more like of every the for kinda

29:24

does. Otherwise though. And on about

29:26

the kitties rico book about cars. My

29:29

kids love cars books so we are. I'm thinking the

29:31

movie did you mean just like literal cars get him.

29:34

They. Would probably like that's immoral of cars movie.

29:37

Cause. Man, Okay, so the

29:39

is A Cars. Now don't get me out

29:41

because I like there's this race at the

29:43

end of this. Okay, right and so is

29:45

Lightning. Game I let my nephew Loves Lane

29:47

against Dinah against as Danica car and against

29:49

this ah this green card. His name I

29:52

don't remember So they're the three of them

29:54

are racing. Lightning has trained this entire movie

29:56

to win this race right? And he's in

29:58

first place. He's gonna win. What

30:00

a green card! Who? The bad guy

30:02

bumps into the blue car because just

30:04

so he can move from thirty second

30:06

place, not the car off the track

30:09

lightning, give up his first place. He

30:11

stops on the track, turns around, gets

30:13

the blue car to push him across

30:15

and. I don't know this is the

30:17

exact quote is the version that I tell my

30:19

kids is that am there's more to winning and

30:21

being and first place. Why did

30:24

he helped deliver? Because. Was a loser

30:26

yeah he was like speech will be when he

30:28

is not by the green party like flipped over

30:30

and over like the the Kids movie would not

30:32

say that the like. he was at risk of

30:34

dying essentially and so lightning goes to save him

30:36

and for some over the line of cars can

30:38

be wheels up a his assistant or how that

30:40

works the I'm in other yeah. It's

30:43

not yet. Whatever. There's another car who that happening.

30:45

Until two. Am and weight of a

30:48

matter fact. That there's more to winning

30:50

than being in first place at as a good lesson

30:52

of. Cars

30:54

rules is the main points. And

30:57

I haven't seen the third one. Second, One's okay

30:59

is not as good. But. That

31:01

of using the my it out exactly with an

31:03

hour but added see airplanes and i think that

31:05

was a pretty racism is a true in a

31:07

nursing every every airplane is kind of of. Country.

31:10

Racial stereotype. Okay, very strange. it's not

31:12

great. The i of nothing that. I

31:15

will not be doing that, but it let

31:17

sam. if you click on the link African

31:19

if it says oh sorry I wanted to

31:22

make reference, there's some Ts Eliot I'm I'm

31:24

poems about Winnie the Pooh and I think

31:26

I've copied them in their I'm I'm. A

31:30

who wants to read first Grammy honoree poem

31:32

One in the Native You'll reap home to.

31:35

See cities Ts Eliot Etti as

31:37

I apologize in the hundred acre

31:39

wood were friends play a landscape

31:41

changed in a peculiar way. Pool

31:43

with his honey pot wandered with

31:45

care seeking wisdom from our the

31:47

wise and rare. But. Piglet

31:49

shivered in the eerie gloom.

31:51

your side his mood a

31:53

constant doom. Rabbit hurried anxious

31:55

in his race, and tigger

31:57

bounced, adding a lively pace.

32:00

Anger and room and a quest

32:02

for peace sought a haven were

32:04

troubles could cease. Christopher Robin in

32:06

the Woods Expanse navigated a world

32:08

in a whimsical dance. Years

32:10

amid the whimsy entails on told lies

32:12

a hunt of mystery a story to

32:14

unfold in the Hundred Acre Wood, both

32:17

near and far and enchanting adventure were

32:19

shadows. Spock was one of the earlier

32:21

poems than this is above it Later

32:23

so them with a brick and find

32:25

some differences. A documentary poem to. I.

32:28

Feel happy to read this earth. Preview.

32:30

Risk of is. In

32:33

the desolate hundred acre wood. Shuttle. Sell.

32:36

A. Gloom Laden saga. A. Forlorn

32:38

spell. Poo. With empty

32:40

honey jar hand roamed the barren landscape.

32:43

a desolate land. Piglet. Trembled

32:45

and the ash and hayes. Your. Size

32:47

echoed in the empty maze. Rabbit

32:49

sprinted driven by a nameless fear.

32:52

Tigger. Bounce singers bounces lost their life

32:54

leech here. Kanga. Andrew,

32:56

seeking refuge in vain, yearned

32:58

for respect from a haunting

33:00

same Christopher Robin, a spectral

33:02

figure last wandered amid the

33:04

silence. Have a past. The.

33:07

Would. Want. Vibrant, Now.

33:09

Whispered despair. A. Wasteland

33:11

of dream. Where. Hope. Was.

33:14

Maybe a subsidy? Doors. Why

33:18

my door to use? This is clearly a sad

33:20

C V. Re

33:22

a poem away in a

33:24

pool for. Of C S L A, it's

33:26

a waste. Landed. Says look for a

33:29

prompt seasonal really hard as

33:31

you. Have this

33:33

is so sad to see as loudly as. Far

33:37

as I did, todo el eleven of us are

33:40

all I got. Your yes, yes, I said rewrite

33:42

Ts Eliot's The Wasteland as if it were a

33:44

Winnie the Pooh story, a Solicitor The Erode. The

33:46

first event for folks that era though that I

33:48

wrote the first one that I said make it

33:50

more like the Ways that. Ah

33:54

thought about us are ours

33:57

is louise. Save us! I'm

34:00

going to trust you again. I'm okay with that. They're

34:02

not both sonnets, just the second one. Just the second

34:04

one, right? Yeah. I did think,

34:06

yeah, kind of a sonnet. It did not accomplish

34:09

the write it like the wasteland. No, it did

34:11

not. So it ended with

34:13

the word wasteland, which is not exactly what it was.

34:15

Now, I read ahead, was Adrian agreeing and said, what,

34:17

this says wasteland? Would Elliot... Oh my word.

34:20

This is not real. This isn't real. That

34:22

was not real. Elliot did not write poems. Thank

34:25

you. Well, I'm... He

34:27

was getting so many assignments turned into my... I'm trying to develop a

34:29

sense for it. I developed a taste. Anyway,

34:31

so Elliot did not actually write poems at Winnie the

34:34

Pooh. Those are from chat to GPT. So there you

34:36

go. Okay. I thought it was pretty

34:38

good. Okay. Let's get to

34:40

our answer of why... So again, we

34:42

talked about Winnie. There's

34:44

a real bear named Winnie, but we still have

34:46

a few steps before we get to Winnie the

34:48

Pooh, which is, again, it's like a weird name.

34:52

So if you'll go in the link

34:54

that said story, and if you go

34:56

down to introduction, and I think

35:00

we just... I think just the first paragraph

35:02

answers that question. Yeah,

35:07

let's just start with the first paragraph. I'm gonna read... Yeah, AJ,

35:09

if you could read that. If

35:11

you happen to have read another book about

35:13

Christopher Robin, you may remember that he once

35:15

had a swan, or the swan had Christopher

35:17

Robin. I don't know which. And

35:20

he used to call this swan poo. That

35:22

was a long time ago. And when we said

35:24

goodbye, we took the name with us, as we didn't think

35:26

the swan would want it anymore. Well,

35:28

when Edward Bear said that he would like

35:30

an exciting name all to himself, Christopher Robin

35:32

said it once without stopping to think that

35:34

he was Winnie the Pooh. And

35:36

he was. So I've explained the poo

35:39

part. I will now explain the rest

35:41

of it. And then the rest goes on to

35:43

talk about the London Zoo, meeting the bear, Christopher

35:45

Robin. Yeah.

35:47

Well, when Christopher Robin goes to the zoo, he

35:49

goes to where the polar bears are and he

35:51

whispers something to the third keeper from the left

35:54

and doors are unlocked. And we wander through dark

35:56

passages and up steep stairs until at last we

35:59

come to the special cave. and the cage is

36:01

opened and out trot something brown and furry and

36:03

with a happy cry of, oh bear, Christopher

36:05

Robin rushes into his arms. Now

36:08

the bear's name is Winnie, which shows

36:10

what a good name for bears it is,

36:12

but the funny thing is that we can't

36:14

remember whether Winnie is called after poo or

36:16

poo after Winnie. We did know once, but

36:19

we have since forgotten. So

36:21

again, it's got two separate things merged together

36:23

and so it's kind of kid logic of

36:26

like, of course the name is Winnie the

36:28

Pooh. But I had a swan, the swan's gone, but the

36:30

name is still here. Here's a bear and needs a name. The

36:33

name's got poo, Winnie the Pooh done. That's the

36:35

story. Like one more do you need? Yeah,

36:39

that really is how it's presented. Let's

36:42

just do one other, another piece that is a

36:44

little strange and I hope

36:47

I've mentioned. So Winnie the bear who we just read

36:49

about is a girl. This is a

36:51

female bear. Winnie the

36:53

Pooh in the stories is a boy, right? So

36:55

there's also a thing of like, what's

36:58

going on there as to why the

37:00

original is a girl, but the doll

37:02

that Christopher Robin has, Christopher Robin is

37:04

sure is a boy. So let's go

37:06

to chapter one. So this is where

37:08

Winnie the Pooh, the

37:10

stories start in proper. So

37:13

the name of this chapter is

37:15

in which we are introduced to Winnie the

37:17

Pooh and some bees in the stories begin.

37:20

So let's start there.

37:23

We're only going to go, I

37:27

will tell you when to stop. It's when we get to

37:29

the phrase going to get that's the end of it. So

37:34

let's have

37:37

Graham. Do you want

37:39

to read? Here is

37:41

Edward bear coming downstairs now bump, bump, bump

37:43

on the back of his head behind Christopher

37:45

Robin. It is as far as he knows

37:47

the only way of coming

37:50

downstairs. But sometimes he feels that there really

37:52

is another way. If only he could stop

37:54

bumping for a moment and think of it.

37:57

And Then he feels that perhaps there isn't.

38:00

Many amps here. He is the bottom and ready

38:02

to be introduced you Winnie. The. Pooh.

38:05

My first heard his name. I said just as

38:07

you are going to say but I thought he

38:09

was a boy. Sort. Eyes and

38:11

Christopher Robin more than you can't call

38:13

him Winnie. I. Don't. But.

38:15

You said she's Winnie the Pooh Does you

38:18

know what that means? Ah yes

38:20

now I do. I said quickly and I hope

38:22

you do too because as all the explanations are

38:24

going to get that the evidence for that. So

38:26

how did when you go from being a girl

38:29

like as girl's name is what is going to

38:31

be with him for a boy was it's what

38:33

does thermae most way. I'm Winnie the Pooh You

38:35

look how gross Robin said though. They're. The.

38:38

Don't know, there was no other means and with A

38:40

or me wrong, that's all right. I'm going to it.

38:44

It's kid logic again, lot like. I

38:47

keep. I keep hoping for the at an on

38:49

going on. Israel's another reason why I found it

38:51

to be a difficult like I'm uncomfortable is like

38:53

the forebear doesn't. He's like getting his had bumped

38:55

and isn't there is. No, it's sort of like.

38:57

It is a disc their summers ago.

39:02

So. There's like an anxiety producing and

39:04

me again but they're all. Maple.

39:07

Like they're all stories of literal stuffed

39:09

animals. Were. I was

39:11

so so bad for the mayor or the bear

39:13

Now y se the he was like on get

39:15

bumped down stared at as a child. not thinking

39:17

about my feelings enough. I know there's a way

39:20

to come down whenever. I'm.

39:22

So. I'm a repressed from a

39:24

from a difference eminem and hearing this

39:26

right now says good someone i think

39:28

of your feelings were talking about the

39:30

ah know My feelings are always thought

39:33

about arm and a sunglasses, the scripts

39:35

and so I felt bad for the

39:37

bearer of her arm. And.

39:39

Then this first story if you remember from

39:41

the I'm. I'm from

39:43

the many adventures from the nineteen seventies One, This

39:45

is the story of Winnie the Pooh wanting to

39:48

get up to honey that's very high up. but

39:50

to do that he needs he gets a balloon.

39:52

he floats up the blue get popped, he falls

39:54

and mods covered in mud. If

39:57

you are my it's I think the first

39:59

main story. The movie tonight. That's

40:01

what the first one as am.

40:04

I guess I want to slugging it.

40:06

I don't know if it's worth. Reading.

40:09

A whole story am. And

40:13

on M. Am. I

40:16

don't think so that again. I'm

40:19

fine without the if this is probably the places

40:21

to wrap up with it that am I think.

40:24

Maybe. This is what game is getting out, and I

40:26

think it's fair that there's maybe there's less of a.

40:29

Moral. Element of these stories but much

40:31

more on the side of like we're just

40:33

telling fun story that my kids toys am

40:35

and building was world out from They why

40:37

do you think you got so popular and

40:39

why do you think it's now He has

40:42

a three hundred fifty million dollar price tag

40:44

Hundred years later like what is that? What

40:46

is that on the hook that everybody in

40:48

really really likes about them. Mean

40:53

I did like they're just entertaining and I

40:55

were. I had a better answer for it

40:57

wasn't just the mix of these archetypes characters

40:59

like trying to figure things out because that's

41:01

when I think the movie always thing about

41:03

like rabbits got a plan and Tigres gung

41:05

ho and they let us know what to

41:07

do you have and pool kind of stoned

41:09

and com ah i'm in your is like.

41:12

Needs a wellness check like like this is

41:14

a to be able to sort of like

41:16

seeing the. Yazidis,

41:19

The dysfunction. A

41:21

witness said everyone sometimes thousand and one of the creatures are

41:23

wants to have been like I always want to hang out

41:25

with Tigger because it seems like everyone else in boring, but

41:28

there's gotta be a timid get out there. the feels like

41:30

piglet. And. You

41:32

know it's probably a partisan Rwanda like Golden. Be

41:34

adventurous and his mom is like. Yeah

41:37

I'm stay in my pocket and there's owl

41:39

and everyone is like I have that grandpa

41:41

in only. It be that maybe

41:43

it's the is really double straightforward

41:46

fact that they're simple stories I'm

41:48

there's gotta be something just to

41:50

nostalgia to have. Like if you

41:52

are the first. again though nineteen

41:54

twenties as when these are coming out so you

41:56

have built in this is what people have been

41:58

raised on for a long time And like

42:01

I loved this as a kid so now I read it to my kids

42:03

so there has to be some of that of You

42:05

happen to be the one that was there a hundred years ago

42:07

And so now you benefit from that and now it's banned in

42:09

China Yes, due

42:12

to comparisons between Winnie the Pooh

42:14

and using ping. Yeah Now

42:17

the podcast is banned in China. We're saying that

42:19

yeah So I don't I

42:22

don't know. I'm having trouble answering that like it really is

42:24

just a these are entertaining stories And

42:27

even less than I was talking with Sarah

42:29

after the Beatrix Potter episode and she's like Beatrix

42:32

Potter is deeply moral But it's not

42:34

moralizing right? Yeah, there is a there are moral lessons

42:36

to get from it But it's not gonna beat you

42:38

over the head. Yeah, I think this is even a

42:41

step below that in most cases and

42:43

it's just like a More

42:47

primal archetypes, I

42:49

don't think kids want primal archetypes. I think they

42:51

just want stories about toys Playing

42:53

and having a good time in a make believe world

42:56

that is compelling Yeah,

42:59

but you don't you don't have any you don't have

43:01

any like hang ups about Them

43:05

and with their certain not I wouldn't say

43:07

they're a moral Yeah,

43:09

but be with the with the

43:11

characters being like with with

43:13

sort of like the humorous dysfunction of it You

43:15

don't find that to be you don't worry that

43:18

the children that kids are gonna find like

43:22

Dysfunction humorous I think remember like

43:24

a Thanksgiving episode where

43:27

everything just goes absolutely terrible. So

43:29

maybe one of the ironies is for

43:32

the end of the movie and the end of the

43:34

first book is let me get the title in

43:37

which Christopher Robin Gives a give

43:39

the gives gets to a party and we

43:41

say goodbye So

43:44

there's something to it where this is just a

43:46

kid playing with his toys for an hour and

43:48

a half and the movie Roughly

43:50

that if you're reading the book probably And

43:52

but at the end of it he says goodbye and

43:54

he goes to school if I'm if I'm not mistaken So

43:57

there is like a like this is

43:59

for children but you're

44:02

not gonna stay here. And so there's something else

44:04

that comes after it. So it is very much

44:06

a, it's a break from reality.

44:08

The whole thing is Christopher Robin

44:11

imagining himself in the hundred acre woods,

44:13

which I think there was a 500 acre wood near them.

44:17

Again, that's also based on a real place. So

44:21

there's something to that where it's escapist,

44:23

but fun. And

44:27

maybe it's weaknesses that is probably

44:29

more for children than again,

44:32

Beatrix Potter or Aesop's Fables.

44:35

I think those have an appeal. The

44:38

like almost like not

44:40

wisdom proverbial nature. Yeah. Whereas

44:42

these might be more on the nostalgia play for

44:45

them to be appealing. I

44:47

don't know. That's my read on it right

44:50

now. Like there's a reason I'm not, like it was

44:52

not the first thing that I've, like

44:54

there's a reason we're doing this after Aesop and Potter

44:56

and now this. I

44:58

still think, I don't know, some things it's

45:00

okay to just be fun and enjoy

45:03

and yeah. Flip through

45:05

Project Gutenberg if you ever get a chance. Cool.

45:08

We'll probably talk more in the in-between. There's some stuff about like the

45:10

actual relations like between Christopher Robin and his

45:13

dad. And I don't know, there's some stuff that maybe

45:15

is interesting there that we'll probably handle in the in-between.

45:17

But yeah, check

45:19

it out online if you want to just try it for

45:21

free or otherwise go pick up a copy. They're

45:24

pretty cheap now that it's public domain. So buy a

45:26

copy, read some books and.

45:29

Or sell it yourself, public domain. That's actually true.

45:31

You could do that if you wanted to. Yep,

45:33

make your own horror movie. So yeah, I mean

45:35

you could. But no talking. But no talking and

45:38

thanks Canada for giving us Winnie the Pooh.

45:40

Yep, yeah, that for that bear that

45:43

was taken from the Northern Ontario. Yeah.

45:46

Hey, that bear had a great life. Yeah, it did. Cool.

45:49

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