0:31

Oh my gosh, I was so

0:31

excited. I can't believe that

0:34

we're actually sitting here

0:34

talking about this. Right now,

0:38

Carla, and Tammy, thank you so

0:38

much for coming and being a part

0:42

of this show being a part of the

0:42

podcast. And it was a miracle on

0:47

how I even just found out about

0:47

this. And I'd like to hear from

0:51

both of you just a little bit

0:51

about what's going on. Why are

0:56

we even talking? Well, I

1:01

I found out about 15 years ago

1:01

that I had chronic kidney

1:05

disease. And it has

1:05

progressively gotten worse as

1:09

I've gotten older. And

1:12

I got to the point where I was

1:12

in need of a kidney. And I'm

1:17

went on to the kidney donation

1:17

list, the national list, and,

1:23

and then they asked if I knew

1:23

anybody who would like to donate

1:28

and become a living donor. And I

1:28

put it out there to my friends

1:32

and family. And Carla appears to

1:32

be my match. Let me ask you

1:39

this. How hard was it to send

1:39

that out? It's very interesting.

1:44

You asked that because the

1:44

biggest emotion I've had is

1:49

guilt. The guilt that I feel of

1:49

asking somebody that I felt

1:55

guilty asking my family I felt

1:55

guilty asking my friends.

2:00

So I prayed, prayed and prayed

2:00

for God to give me the strength

2:04

to ask, because it was just very

2:04

hard. The guilt I have. I still

2:10

have for you know, I mean,

2:10

yesterday, I wrote down and I

2:15

was just like, I can't believe

2:15

you would do this or me. Carla,

2:17

I can't believe that you would

2:17

go so selfless you would do

2:23

that. You would do that for me.

2:23

Yeah, yeah.

2:27

It was. Okay. I gotta get a

2:27

little bit of the backstory

2:30

because I love details. Unlike

2:30

our husbands, right, who never

2:35

got details on about you, Carla.

2:35

But if somebody gives you much,

2:38

but I get like one word answers.

2:38

So 15 years ago, where were you

2:44

at in your life? Kids? Were you

2:44

still married? What was

2:47

happening? I had kids. I was a

2:47

first grade school teacher. And

2:52

I had gone to the doctor and

2:52

they said, Let's take your

2:55

blood. When's the last time you

2:55

had your blood taken? I was

2:58

like, I don't know. It probably

2:58

been years. And so they I

3:03

remember they called me that

3:03

afternoon. And

3:07

I got a phone call that said you

3:07

need to go to a nephrologist.

3:11

And an apologist is a kidney

3:11

specialist.

3:15

I don't understand what do you

3:15

say you didn't you had no prior

3:18

knowledge to anything before. I

3:18

had no symptoms, no symptoms?

3:23

No, I thought I was perfectly

3:23

healthy. And so I I was like,

3:28

Okay, I don't even know where to

3:28

begin. So I found a

3:31

nephrologist. And I went in and

3:31

my Korea levels were high. And

3:37

they I was diagnosed with

3:37

chronic kidney disease. And at

3:40

that point, I was stage three.

3:43

Okay. And so I've had a slow

3:43

digression, this might be a

3:49

really dumb question. But how

3:49

many stages are you? And when

3:54

you get to stage three? What is

3:54

that looking like for years,

3:57

five stages total. There's five

3:57

stages. And so you know, when

4:02

we're young, we're all stage

4:02

one, you know, unless you

4:05

actually have something wrong

4:05

with you, everyone is a stage

4:08

one, everybody's great. You

4:08

know, you're good. But then as

4:11

you get older, you're just like

4:11

all the rest of your organs,

4:15

your organs get older, you know,

4:15

just like you do, but mine, my

4:19

kidneys have just really gotten

4:19

older quicker than the rest of

4:23

me. Wow. Right now, my kidneys

4:23

work at about 18%. Okay, once

4:30

you get to 15% then you go on disability at

4:34

work, because at that point,

4:38

you're probably getting on

4:38

dialysis and doing a lot of

4:41

appointments and things like

4:41

that. So right now, I'm still

4:44

teaching first grade, and and go into dialysis, right?

4:47

Well, I'm not on dialysis yet.

4:52

So I'm a few. A few kids you

4:52

have to be at 15 to start okay,

4:58

you're at 18 Yeah. And I'm an eighth. So but once

5:00

you get below 20. You go to go

5:05

through all the same testing

5:05

that Carla just went through

5:09

to see if I can receive a kidney

5:09

if I'm healthy enough to receive

5:13

a kidney and I you go through

5:13

all the testing and they talk to

5:20

you about the transplant and

5:20

then you go before the Medical

5:24

Review Board. And so that

5:24

happened in November for me and

5:29

National Kidney list. And they asked, Do you know

5:31

anybody who would want to

5:35

donate? Okay, when did you put

5:35

that out there? To your friends

5:39

and family? Um, well, I knew it

5:39

was coming. So I put it out to

5:44

my family, but nobody can

5:44

actually donate until you get on

5:47

the list. Nobody registered and donate. Oh, no

5:50

way. You have to wait until your

5:54

body has gotten to that point.

5:54

Yes. Yeah. So once it got to

5:58

that point. Yeah, November, I said, I just

6:01

prayed and prayed. And, and, and

6:06

I just thought if I've just put

6:06

it into the Lord's hands, he'll

6:10

know, he'll know the right match

6:10

for me. He'll know the right

6:13

person for me. And I really had

6:13

like I said, I had to overcome

6:16

the guilt of asking someone to

6:16

give you know, this no kidding

6:23

how hard generous of you know of

6:23

themselves. I mean, yeah,

6:28

themselves. Yeah. So all right.

6:28

So I gotta hear when Carla found

6:33

out. And that whole exchange and

6:33

how that went. Carla, how did

6:38

that go? You must have seen or

6:38

heard at a particular time this

6:42

was going on with your friend.

6:42

Well, you know, Tammy, and I

6:46

have a 45 plus year history

6:46

together.

6:53

I'm sorry, what? How did you two

6:53

meet? We met in high school.

6:57

Okay. And so we've been friends

6:57

since I was only like, 10 years

7:00

ago, though, Carla. I mean, come

7:00

on. Yeah, well, that's when I

7:03

graduated from high school. That we have high school friends

7:07

that still stay in touch, we

7:10

still get together. And we have

7:10

a group thread that we share

7:15

things. And it was on that that

7:15

Tammy shared that, you know, I

7:19

was I was added to the national

7:19

donors list. And, you know, she

7:23

didn't so much say, Would you

7:23

all please go apply or anything

7:27

like that? We go pray about it

7:27

right now. I'm kind of in a

7:31

hurry. Yeah. Yeah. And so she put it

7:33

out there. And I know, there's

7:38

been several that have gone and

7:38

have applied, and I did the same

7:42

thing. And applied and then I got the

7:44

call from the Living Donor

7:49

Advocate that hold on a lot of

7:49

question. Did you have to like,

7:53

like, you saw the tags? Did you

7:53

have to? Did you know

7:57

immediately, like you knew in

7:57

your spirit, this was happening,

8:00

and I'm gonna go down this road.

8:00

And if it works out, it works

8:02

out? Or if you were, if God kind

8:02

of like pulled you aside, you

8:05

know, into your closet, and was

8:05

like, working on your for a

8:09

little bit? How did it happen

8:09

when you realize, okay, do that.

8:13

I mean, I definitely prayed

8:13

about it. But I filled out the

8:16

application pretty quickly. It

8:16

was like, why would I even think

8:20

about it? You know, this is

8:20

someone that I've been friends

8:23

with all my life. And I know she

8:23

would do the same for me. And as

8:27

I know, chills, yeah. What do we all do it for each

8:30

other? And so it wasn't just it

8:34

wasn't even a question. And, you

8:34

know, it started to get more

8:39

real as the Living Donor

8:39

Advocate called me and starts

8:42

asking me a lot of questions. But it was still a lot of metaphors still just them trying

8:44

to navigate their way through if

8:48

if I was a potential candidate,

8:48

and it went through that, and

8:52

then they had me do some lab

8:52

testing. And then it became

8:57

okay, all this is is matching up

8:57

with Tammy.

9:01

You know, now the next step is

9:01

to come to Houston and do all

9:05

this extensive lab testing and

9:05

meeting with physicians and, and

9:10

that's what we're doing right

9:10

now. And that's when me and you

9:14

figured it out. Within those two

9:14

days. It was like, you and I

9:18

have known each other probably

9:18

about 10 years through training.

9:22

And we have the same age kids

9:22

and the same faith in the

9:26

schools and the workout and

9:26

we've meshed that way. Over the

9:30

years, I've seen how both of our

9:30

lives have kind of been

9:32

paralleled going in the same

9:32

direction has been so cool. So

9:36

I've always known like, I need

9:36

Carla on here. We're going to

9:39

talk about nutrition. We're

9:39

going to talk about exercise,

9:43

you know, her soon to be by gas

9:43

and but we hadn't figured out

9:49

when we meant we bumped into

9:49

each other at Christmas. I saw

9:53

you last summer, that kind of

9:53

thing. And then all of a sudden,

9:56

for two days, I could not get

9:56

you on my mind. And I kept

9:59

feeling the Lord texts or text

9:59

her and I'm like, It's January.

10:03

It's the year. We're going to do

10:03

this I'm going to talk about and

10:06

I'm planning it out. We did and

10:06

in those two days is when you

10:10

got that phone call. Yeah, I

10:10

couldn't believe that. I was so

10:16

blown away by the whole story.

10:16

I'm so honored. They are even

10:20

talking to me about this. It's

10:20

yeah. Wow, that was amazing.

10:24

Because you and I were talking

10:24

about me coming on your podcast

10:26

and just talking about all the

10:26

things that's exactly right.

10:29

Yeah, and yeah, Like I was like, when we had

10:30

scheduled the day, that's when

10:33

I, I message you. I'm like,

10:33

Okay, this isn't a text or audio

10:37

that just anybody leaves, but

10:37

I'm a potential kidney donor.

10:41

And I have to go. Yeah, so we

10:41

might have to reschedule. And

10:45

I'm like, No, yeah, that's what

10:45

really, if you look back and see

10:49

how the Lord works, all the

10:49

timing of it, this is what we're

10:53

supposed to talk about. Yeah, it

10:53

really is. Okay, so then we

10:59

don't talk, you'd have your

10:59

appointments. How's it going

11:02

there? What's been going on

11:02

every day that you've been

11:04

there? And how are y'all

11:04

feeling? And how are the tests

11:08

going? Yeah, it's, it's, it's

11:08

been good. Yesterday was the big

11:13

day of a lot of needle poking

11:13

and testing and EKGs echoes, CT

11:19

scans. Gosh, what else? Yeah, chest X

11:22

rays, a lot of different

11:26

testing. So a lot of poking and

11:26

prodding, and just, but yet

11:29

along the way, you know, I mean,

11:29

Timmy, and I always have fun

11:32

together. And we have another

11:32

friend with us. DD who is a

11:37

photographer, and she's

11:37

documenting the whole journey,

11:40

because our main goal is to

11:40

bring awareness to to living

11:44

donors, and just just our faith

11:44

in the faith is what is getting

11:50

through us through all of it.

11:50

And just, you know, in the in

11:55

the all the tests and stuff

11:55

yesterday, there was still a lot

11:58

of laughing, and a lot of

12:02

just light hearted, but then

12:02

there was also heavy in meeting

12:08

with a surgeon, that one that

12:08

would actually take my kidney

12:11

out. And that was a very

12:11

emotional time for Tammy.

12:17

Because for her, it's her worry

12:17

and concern for me. And so that

12:21

was real hard for her. I don't

12:21

know if you want to say anything

12:24

to that, because now I'm getting

12:24

all choked up about that.

12:28

It was just amazing to sit in

12:28

there. And I was jotting down

12:32

notes as quickly as I could. It just everything Carla would

12:36

have to go through all of that,

12:40

you know, this is what you would

12:40

have to do before surgery, this

12:43

is what's happening during your

12:43

surgery, these are the scars

12:46

you'll have, you know, this is your recovery

12:47

time. And I was just overcome

12:52

with emotion, I can feel it now

12:52

that somebody would do that for

12:57

me, you know, that conditional

12:57

love 100% would do that. For me,

13:03

it was just, it was just a why I

13:03

just was overcome by emotion.

13:10

It is it's wild that I can what

13:10

I can feel from both of you. And

13:14

knowing your faith is probably

13:14

you felt that light hearted, but

13:19

kind of an easy flow, you know

13:19

how the Holy Spirit works? Yeah.

13:23

And any works in these ways. And

13:23

you can't even you know,

13:26

explain, and most people are

13:26

would be petrified or scared.

13:31

And I can I can tell Carlos had

13:31

such a another concerns but

13:36

you've had such a, an ease to

13:36

and then knowing is what you're

13:40

going to do. Yeah. And I mean,

13:40

you know, we know our faith. And

13:44

we know I mean, it's it. I

13:44

didn't just continually stay in

13:50

prayer and with the Holy Spirit

13:50

and allowing Him to guide me

13:53

there's things that come in,

13:53

there's, you know, there's all

13:56

of a sudden, we all know the

13:56

enemy wants to come in and bring

13:59

that fear and discouragement and and it's just like, No, you

14:02

know, you have no place here.

14:05

And I wouldn't keep moving

14:05

forward if I didn't feel that

14:10

peace if I didn't feel the Lord

14:10

opening the doors and, and, you

14:14

know, showing me the way and I

14:14

know that's what has kept me at

14:19

just a peace and a light

14:19

heartedness through at all.

14:22

Yeah, you know, and there's

14:22

times every now and then when

14:25

you take that deep breath, and just,

14:26

but I think it's more of the

14:31

just being tired from all this

14:31

stuff we've had to do. Oh, yeah,

14:35

that and the emotions will just

14:35

wear you out all day.

14:40

But yeah, and we've had our

14:40

friends here surrounding us

14:45

and spoiling us and had a room

14:45

full of goodies for us. And they

14:51

surprised us today with a big,

14:51

beautiful brunch and just just

14:57

have showered us with so much

14:57

love because I think that's one

15:00

of the most important things and

15:00

all these people want to

15:03

surround you and love on you and

15:03

help you Yeah. And they don't

15:06

know what to do and how to help.

15:06

And so they have all just loved

15:10

us so well and just have been

15:10

carrying us through.

15:15

You know all of it. And that's

15:15

been such a sweet, beautiful

15:18

thing too. That's amazing. Yeah.

15:18

So, Tammy, how has your family

15:25

reacted to all of this?

15:28

Well, my dad now calls Carla

15:28

Mike

15:30

You know, his other daughter, and

15:35

my family is, is just in, you

15:35

know, there's they're so

15:40

grateful. And there's you know,

15:40

they're just can't believe that

15:44

she, you know, my whole family

15:44

applied to be my donor. And I

15:49

don't know what it was I don't

15:49

know what God had in store but

15:54

Carla was the one that rose to

15:54

the top. And so I think my

15:59

family is just so thankful that

16:05

you know that they were willing

16:05

to give me a kidney they were

16:08

all willing to do you know, my

16:08

children, my parents, my sister,

16:12

my husband, they were all

16:12

willing to do it. And so that

16:16

Carla is, you know, is so bright

16:16

now the person she's my, my

16:21

person. There's just so much

16:21

love. You know, like, every time

16:25

I talk to my sister, she's like,

16:25

when you talk to Carla, tell her

16:28

Tell her I love Tell her I love

16:28

so, you know, there's there's

16:31

just a lot. It couldn't be more,

16:31

you know, just more thankful

16:39

to Yeah, yeah. What about you,

16:39

Carla?

16:44

Well, I was going to jokingly

16:44

say that it's just that

16:47

competitive spirit in me, you

16:47

know, I had run, I had that run

16:51

to the front. Yeah, it'll be funny after this,

16:54

see what you're craving, you're

16:57

gonna start like, like, and

16:57

jeeps and working out.

17:04

So there you go. It's a perfect

17:04

match, I drive a Jeep, it was

17:08

meant to be people. Kidding aside, you know, for my

17:13

family, it's a journey, too. And

17:18

it's, it's the same things go there. You

17:20

know, Sonny knows my faith, and

17:24

he knows that what I do, I'm

17:24

walking with the Spirit. And,

17:28

you know, there's things that

17:28

come in concerns for him, too.

17:31

It's just all the natural things

17:31

that come up. But in all of it,

17:36

my family just wants me to

17:36

follow wherever God's leading.

17:39

Yeah, no. And it's sometimes

17:39

it's hard to let that person do

17:44

that. They're worried Do you

17:44

know and three, and, and it's,

17:49

you know, it's a worry. So I can

17:49

only imagine the feelings that

17:53

her you know, her children and

17:53

her husband and her parents, you

17:58

know, that they all have?

17:58

Because it's it's her, it's

18:03

elective for her. It's something

18:03

that she's, you know, she's

18:06

chosen and she doesn't have to do it. Yeah.

18:12

So, go ahead. Well, I've just, I actually lost

18:15

my train of thought what I was

18:19

going to say on that. So you go

18:19

ahead. Well, one of the things,

18:24

there's so many things I want to

18:24

ask you, but so in chronicling

18:29

this your journey. So what is

18:29

what is it that you really want

18:34

people to know? I mean, you

18:34

know, they will you see your

18:37

faith and in the story. But what

18:37

is it? Is there something that

18:43

you want to tell people that are

18:43

needing a kidney? Don't you

18:47

know, that need a donor? Is

18:47

there something that you really

18:51

want to tell Carla about being a

18:51

donor or anything along those

18:56

lines? Well, it's so funny,

18:56

because I don't want the focus

18:59

to be on me, I don't want the

18:59

focus to be on me, I want it to

19:02

be on Carla. Because she is the

19:02

person that is you know, chosen

19:08

to do this and be you know, and

19:08

be my hero. And Carla being as

19:12

selfless as she is. She doesn't

19:12

want it to be about her. She

19:17

wants it to be about you know

19:17

about God and how he's led her

19:20

to, to make this decision and to

19:20

do this. So I feel like,

19:26

I feel like neither one of us

19:26

want it to be about us. Well,

19:29

just being a spectator right

19:29

now. And being a part of this, I

19:33

don't see it being about you, or

19:33

you. It's about the both of you,

19:37

and just the whole entire

19:37

encompassing of Christ and his

19:43

followers coming together and

19:43

supporting each other and moving

19:47

through you. And here's your

19:47

stories through Karla and moving

19:50

through you and then having to

19:50

deal with, you know, you got to

19:54

humble yourself, you know, the

19:54

guilt. Also the worthiness, like

19:59

Am I really worthy of all of

19:59

this and that. That's the guilt,

20:04

you know, and God's showing that

20:04

you are worthy girl. Yeah, you

20:08

know, and that he's working.

20:08

Yeah. And

20:14

I think just the whole time

20:14

we've just even in in doing this

20:18

and anything that we do when we

20:18

talk about it. Our main focus is

20:22

just creating awareness because

20:22

I've learned so much as I've

20:26

walked through this, about

20:26

living donors and just had no

20:29

idea I Um, how many are just out there

20:30

waiting for living donors,

20:34

because if you get a, a

20:34

transplant from a living donor,

20:38

your life expectancy and

20:38

everything is so much longer

20:41

than from a deceased person,

20:41

really? And why is that? I know

20:46

that it's just a living donor,

20:46

you know, her, her organs are

20:51

still alive, you know, they're

20:51

still, they're still beating,

20:53

and they're still they're still

20:53

alive. And so and, and of

20:57

course, they come from a very

20:57

healthy person, because the the

21:01

testing that she has to go

21:01

through to make sure that she's

21:04

healthy enough to donate. So

21:04

when you get an organ from a

21:08

deceased person, that testing is

21:08

really not there.

21:13

So quickly, you know, it's okay.

21:13

Somebody, you know, tragically

21:18

passes away, and is a donor, and

21:18

they bring in the person who is

21:22

a match, and it happens so

21:22

quickly. So. So let me ask you

21:28

this. So is it true? Like,

21:28

there's a certain amount of time

21:31

that that kidney has to get to

21:31

say it comes from someone who

21:35

has passed? Yeah, to get to the

21:35

person that needs it? So it's

21:38

all that hurry up and go? And

21:38

yes, so the people that are on

21:42

the kidney LIS like I am, but

21:42

they're at the top of the list,

21:46

because they're already on

21:46

dialysis, dialysis, like they

21:49

have a go back. And they you

21:49

know, and they're waiting for

21:52

that phone call, when two

21:52

o'clock in the morning, or, you

21:57

know, whatever, they're waiting

21:57

for that phone call, and they

22:00

grab their bag, and they go,

22:00

well received that duck that

22:04

kidney before, you know, while

22:04

it's still viable. Yeah. But a

22:08

living donor. You know, I think

22:08

that just the life expectancy

22:13

for me is so much more than if

22:13

I'm if I don't receive deceased.

22:20

What did they give you? The

22:20

statistics, like the odds of,

22:25

you know, maybe it could be a

22:25

year, maybe it could be a couple

22:28

of years. So if you didn't have

22:28

a living, how many? Eight years?

22:32

Wow, yeah. And a lot of people

22:32

don't have five to eight years,

22:35

you know. So that's, you see the

22:35

people that are in the hospital,

22:39

and that are on dialysis all the

22:39

time, and their bodies are just

22:42

breaking down because they're

22:42

waiting on on a kidney, they're

22:45

waiting, sadly on someone else

22:45

to pass so that they can have

22:49

Yeah, that organ. Yeah. So,

22:49

Carla, as far as like, you were

22:56

surprised by the things that

22:56

you've learned with the donors

22:59

and that kind of thing and

22:59

bringing awareness what, what

23:02

were some of the things that you

23:02

just felt were shocking, that

23:08

maybe didn't know the whole

23:08

process of it all. And just like

23:13

the amount of testing, you don't

23:13

really think of what all you

23:16

have to go through, to just

23:16

cross match everything and make

23:20

sure everything lines up, and

23:20

just the intensity of the

23:23

testing they do on the living

23:23

donor, to make sure they are not

23:28

going to be compromised in any

23:28

way, you know, if it's if they

23:32

have any issues with heart or,

23:32

or kidneys or abdomen or liver,

23:36

or, you know, whatever it may be

23:36

just very intense testing,

23:40

meeting with the different

23:40

doctors meeting with living

23:43

donor advocates meeting with

23:43

dieticians, meeting with

23:48

Gosh, therapists, I mean, it

23:48

allow, it is a journey that they

23:53

take you through to make sure

23:53

that you are I mean, truly that

23:58

perfect match, and that your

23:58

body is not going to be

24:01

compromised along the way, you

24:01

know, before you kind of heard

24:04

about someone getting a new

24:04

kidney or whatever. And you just

24:06

think, wow, you know, they just

24:06

took that one. And you just

24:09

don't think as much about the

24:09

whole process that goes behind

24:13

it. And the thing is, too, that

24:13

I've learned is if I'm not a

24:18

match, then Tammy goes through

24:18

this all over again, with

24:22

someone else and if they're non

24:22

match and someone else and it

24:25

keeps going on and on, and that

24:25

concern into a long process, as

24:29

you can imagine. So so my

24:29

insurance pays for everything.

24:33

Okay, I was gonna ask that.

24:33

Yeah. Kenny it comes out of

24:37

Carla's part pocket, wow. covers

24:37

every single every single

24:42

doctor's visit every single

24:42

blood, draw

24:46

her entire hospital stay, and

24:46

then treatment for two years

24:50

afterwards, just you know, make

24:50

sure that our kidneys or the

24:54

kidneys still functioning at

24:54

where it should be and and all

24:58

of that is so it shouldn't cause

24:58

Carla a single penny throughout

25:02

the whole throughout the whole

25:02

thing which I think is good for

25:05

people to know that are

25:05

interested in want to apply. You

25:09

don't like I don't have to go

25:09

through my insurance. Nothing

25:13

goes through me. And so it's

25:13

it's not like anyone has to have

25:17

insurance. A living donor. It's

25:17

it's there is nothing on my end

25:23

that you have to pay for her

25:23

like to that. Yeah. Wow. And I

25:26

think that's important for

25:26

people to know too. Yeah. So

25:30

When you got that first call,

25:30

and during those few days when I

25:34

got to experience, you were

25:34

like, Oh, my match, what was it

25:37

that you? What was it that you

25:37

were a match for that nobody

25:40

else was like the first initial

25:40

thing? Was it the blood match?

25:44

Was it? What was it? You know? I mean,

25:46

that's a hard. It's a hard

25:49

question. Yeah, we believe it's

25:49

the blood match. But then they

25:53

also did like, antigen tests and things like

25:55

the error analysis, 24 hour

26:00

urine collection to check your

26:00

kidneys. And so things like

26:04

that, that are important to

26:04

cross match and see, then

26:09

putting it with her blood and

26:09

how it works together. And I

26:13

think that's, you know, that's

26:13

where they start connecting.

26:16

Okay, we're moving you to the

26:16

next phase of, you know, the

26:21

thorough testing to see where

26:21

you land. You know, most

26:25

people's question to us all the

26:25

time is when we know for sure

26:29

when when we have the surgery.

26:29

And we don't know, for Hillary,

26:35

Oh, I thought it was like, may I

26:35

do it there, we have no day. And

26:40

it goes through a whole medical

26:40

review board where they all can

26:43

sit down after I've been here.

26:43

And that whole review board goes

26:48

through all my stuff, all my

26:48

tasks, everything and then

26:52

determine, again, if I am the

26:52

right match. And then even when

26:59

they determine that for sure,

26:59

then there's still more tests

27:03

that we go through even before

27:03

procedures, and they continually

27:07

test to make sure you're both

27:07

still on the same page. Okay,

27:10

they don't want to risk either

27:10

one of us. Right process. Right?

27:16

Yeah. Wow. And it's all the same

27:16

tests just to make sure that

27:20

your say enzymes and your

27:20

antigens and all those things

27:24

are still what they're saying.

27:24

Literally everything you can

27:28

test, like every blood I've had

27:28

there, my eyelash.

27:34

Oh, the only thing they haven't

27:34

checked is my brain. And they

27:37

probably should have looked at

27:37

that. But literally, I mean,

27:41

they check everything. And one

27:41

of my things that I think that

27:46

the Lord has shown me all along

27:46

the way is we know my my

27:52

lifestyle, and my my health and

27:52

fitness and all the things that

27:55

are so important to me and

27:55

taking care of yourself. And

27:58

I've just constantly been like,

27:58

Lord, is this what you've been

28:01

preparing me for? You know?

28:05

And not be healthy and fit. And

28:05

you know, because I want to live

28:10

longer for my family and my

28:10

kids. And But is this what

28:14

you've been preparing me for?

28:14

Right now? I know you're not

28:19

supposed to ask a lady your age.

28:19

I know how old you are. I don't

28:23

know if you want to say that.

28:23

But I think that if you do and

28:26

tell the truth. You may braggin.

28:26

Yeah. Yeah. I am. 58 Tami's

28:32

about to turn 58. We're both 58.

28:32

And now everyone is shocked if

28:38

you're watching this on YouTube

28:38

right now? Because they do not

28:41

look that the years old. You are

28:41

very kind.

28:46

I mean, thank God, you both are

28:46

taking good care of yourselves,

28:51

amazingly. And that.

28:54

Maybe this wouldn't have

28:54

happened if you didn't. Yeah,

28:57

yeah. You know? Yeah. Well, I

28:57

do. I feel like, you know, when

29:03

Carla said to me, I feel like

29:03

this. This was this was the

29:07

reason God had me take such good care of

29:09

yourself. This. He knew so many

29:14

years ago when she got into

29:14

fitness. And, and and, uh, he

29:19

knew he already knew this. You know, thank God, he knows

29:22

what's going to happen next

29:25

because of land. Yeah, it wasn't

29:25

revealed to us until just man.

29:31

Yeah. And how, what a blessing

29:31

and a gift for you to both to

29:36

experience this kind of love on

29:36

Earth. Yes, yeah. Yeah. I mean,

29:41

it's this kind of love is the

29:41

kind of love that, you know, is

29:46

in heaven. God, this is what

29:46

God's bringing down. Right here

29:50

to show everybody what true love

29:50

is being there for your friend.

29:56

Yeah, so after all that, go

29:56

ahead. I was gonna say and I

29:59

think it's also just the

29:59

testimony and just the beauty to

30:04

have of community and our

30:04

friends and the people that have

30:09

surrounded us just how important

30:09

it is just to have those people

30:15

in your life that are going to

30:15

be there for you in these times.

30:20

Yeah. So you've gone through all

30:20

this testing now. You're gonna

30:24

go home tomorrow both of you are

30:24

in Houston right now. And what

30:27

in what medicals. What

30:30

We're a huge Medical Center in

30:30

Houston. Each Medical Center

30:34

right now we're at Yeah, we're

30:34

in the

30:40

you're at St. Luke's. You're at

30:40

St. Luke's. Yeah, Baylor, St.

30:43

Luke's. And we have more. Well,

30:43

I do, Tammy just comes with me

30:47

but more meetings tomorrow and

30:47

another stress test, and then

30:55

we'll be finished with this face

30:55

of it.

30:59

And did they give you any kind

30:59

of idea of what's next is it

31:04

will wait until the board

31:04

reviews it like you said, right?

31:08

And then bring it back in and

31:08

keep doing the tasks that you

31:11

don't know, are they kind of

31:11

saying, in a month,

31:16

you might need to come back

31:16

more. We don't give you

31:18

timelines when we met with who

31:18

would be my surgeon, we met with

31:22

him yesterday. You know, he's

31:22

the one that told us you know,

31:26

there's there's still people

31:26

looking at all the tests and all

31:30

the things and then if we go to

31:30

the Review Board, nobody really

31:34

gives you a timeline, they gave

31:34

me an indication of you know,

31:39

that these tests will happen.

31:39

And then once they're totally

31:43

okay. I mean, it is really when

31:43

it moves forward, and there just

31:48

be additional testing along the

31:48

way.

31:53

So we could this happen, like

31:53

really fast, though? I mean, did

31:57

they give you a heads up like,

31:57

Alright, we're gonna have

31:59

surgery, like, say, in a couple

31:59

of weeks, just because I'm

32:02

curious if someone is thinking

32:02

about doing this.

32:06

If I was thinking about doing

32:06

that, I would want to know

32:09

everything about your journey,

32:09

like, okay, are they going to

32:12

call me in the middle of the

32:12

night and say, We're gonna

32:15

schedule surgery next week? And

32:15

it's happening on that day? No,

32:19

I can speak to that. Because

32:19

when when I first I had to do a

32:23

whole class and everything that

32:23

I went through to really learn

32:27

that all the details of what

32:27

this entail, and one of them was

32:31

that the living donor is like in

32:31

the driver's seat, and no one

32:38

else scheduled the surgery day.

32:38

It is totally up to me. When I

32:45

decide that it works in my life,

32:45

too. And psychologically, and

32:50

emotionally, that's probably the

32:50

best thing to do. I'm not gonna

32:53

get a phone call in the middle

32:53

of the night that it's next

32:55

Thursday, you know, yeah, don't

32:55

be me saying, hey, I can do it

32:59

in this timeframe. Let's see

32:59

what we can work out there. And

33:03

so that's what I have been told

33:03

him learned. All right. Okay, so

33:09

Can y'all tell me a little bit

33:09

about the surgery? How is that

33:12

guy if someone wants to know

33:12

what the surgery is? How long

33:16

does it take longer you in

33:16

surgery? What's the recovery?

33:21

So mine is a little bit more

33:21

complex. Of course, I'm in the

33:25

hospital for about seven to 10

33:25

days. I have about an eight week

33:28

recovery time. And so mine's a little bit more

33:31

difficult. And then Carla lips,

33:34

you speak about yours? Yeah. So

33:34

he told me that with mine, it's

33:38

about a two hour surgery. They

33:38

go in laparoscopic with a

33:42

camera. And that's how they were removed

33:44

the kidney. It's a very small

33:48

incision, where Tammy is cut

33:52

in a C shape, which I said was

33:52

my tattoo.

33:56

Forever, I'll say no. To my face, love God.

34:04

Because they have to then

34:04

reattach the kidney to, you

34:11

know, everything in flow and the

34:11

bladder. And yeah, make sure

34:16

that it's attached to everything

34:16

it needs to be. So my surgery is

34:19

about a 10 hour surgery, and two

34:19

and a half. So obviously, we

34:24

have two kidneys. For those that

34:24

don't know that out there. My

34:28

grandmother lost a kidney when

34:28

she was in childbirth with my

34:32

uncle, and always had to go to

34:32

the doctor and double check all

34:36

those things, which is another

34:36

really ironic thing that my

34:39

grandmother went through that.

34:39

And so in the back of my mind, I

34:42

always wondered, really, I

34:42

always wondered if I would have

34:46

something wrong with my kidneys.

34:46

And this is going to be another

34:51

not dumb question. But why did

34:51

it affect both of your kidneys

34:57

and my grandmother only affect

34:57

one, right? So I have chronic

35:00

kidney disease. So it is it's

35:00

just a disease that affects the

35:04

kidneys. So my kidneys are

35:04

slowly shriveling up. Okay when

35:10

they do the surgery, you know

35:10

your kidneys are in your back

35:13

that kind of area. So when I did

35:13

the surgery, they they won't

35:17

actually remove my two kidneys.

35:17

They only remove them. If if

35:21

they have you know, a view of a

35:21

cancer or a kidney or something

35:25

that could spread throughout

35:25

your body. By my disease. It

35:29

only affects the kidneys So they won't remove either one

35:31

of my kidneys.

35:34

God in another one of his

35:34

miracles

35:39

gave people two kidneys. And you

35:39

only need one kidney to live. I

35:45

know I thought I was just having

35:45

that conversation. I was telling

35:48

my eight year old about y'all

35:48

and kind of be quiet when I'm

35:52

recording. But telling him and

35:52

explaining that like, Thank God

35:57

we have to and she can give her

35:57

one. Yes. And then got actually

36:02

gives you this is called the

36:02

handy dandy kidney pocket. So

36:05

when they put Carla's kidney, if

36:05

she is my match, and they put

36:09

her kidney into me, it actually

36:09

goes in the front and into my

36:14

stomach. And there's a

36:17

a little pocket between muscles,

36:17

and it slides right into that

36:22

pocket. And God God knew and he

36:22

just put right into created that

36:27

inside of that, you know,

36:27

humans. So it's just, it's

36:32

amazing. Makes me want to cry.

36:32

Yeah, it really does. Like just

36:37

amazing. It is. But Carla's

36:37

Carla's surgeries, about two,

36:41

two and a half hours. Okay,

36:41

recovery. She's in the hospital

36:44

for one to two days. No time at

36:44

all. Yeah. Trying to like, no.

36:51

Maybe they want to keep you one

36:51

or two extra days.

36:55

I know. Right? I need to live

36:55

with that. Well, I can't. It's

36:58

not a nice go. Yeah, yeah. And then I mean,

37:01

even immediately, of course,

37:06

they want you up, they want you

37:06

moving. I mean, my limitations

37:09

are really just no heavy

37:09

lifting. But otherwise, it's,

37:13

you know, normal daily life. And

37:13

the main thing is, you'll feel

37:16

tired and fatigued easier. I

37:16

mean, because once your kidneys

37:21

out, that one then takes over

37:21

and it grows, and it's making up

37:26

for the other ones. So you'll

37:26

have some fatigue and stuff. But

37:30

really, there should not be, you

37:30

know, anything else. Beyond

37:35

that, of course, you'll have

37:35

some pain from the incision and

37:38

stuff at first. You know, I'm just counting on

37:41

that, that my recovery would be

37:46

quick and easy. And, you know,

37:46

again, God's already gone before

37:50

us and that and he's taking care

37:50

of it. And then you may we'll,

37:55

we'll have a much longer,

37:55

longer, longer, longer recovery.

37:59

But yeah, but I have a friend

37:59

who had a kidney transplant, and

38:04

she said, she didn't feel she

38:04

didn't know how bad she felt.

38:08

Until the day she woke up after

38:08

her kidney surgery, really, and

38:13

her whole body felt different.

38:13

Because it just felt that's

38:18

gonna be amazing to watch. And

38:18

you Yes, yes. I mean, just

38:22

there, she said she was a nurse

38:22

because I had the pain of the

38:25

incision. But everything about

38:25

my body felt better. Because my

38:30

work, you know, everything was

38:30

working again. So I can't, I

38:34

can't imagine. Yeah, I can't. So

38:34

looking forward to that.

38:40

To that miracle, I have a couple

38:40

of more questions for you guys.

38:45

So you have a face. And I'd like

38:45

to hear from each one of you

38:50

what your faith is, and what

38:50

made you have such a strong

38:55

faith to, to notice any of this,

38:55

let me just say, we've been

39:00

through our things in our lives,

39:00

right? I've been in hospital

39:03

rooms where I have witnessed

39:03

families that have a lot of

39:08

support. I have I've witnessed

39:08

families that didn't have any

39:12

support at those very crucial

39:12

moments. And it's a big

39:18

difference in the healing for

39:18

that person, their walk their

39:23

outlook on the whole thing,

39:23

being aware and noticing that

39:26

God is alive and then this

39:26

moment, because a lot of people

39:30

will just focus on the sucks. I

39:30

don't have kidney I need a

39:35

kidney. I'm gonna get down. I'm

39:35

gonna, I mean, easy for me to

39:38

say, I'm just saying we've had

39:38

our own stuff gone. I know how

39:42

hard it is. That Christ is that one, your

39:44

faith is what really pulls you

39:47

through. And we say that a lot.

39:47

But I feel like when people see

39:51

it or hear it when conversations

39:51

don't know what that means.

39:56

Right? Right. I know that. You

39:56

know, I'm a Christian. I believe

40:03

that he has been I believe he

40:03

has walked with me my whole

40:06

life. I believe that. You know,

40:06

there were times where, you

40:11

know, he carried me and I've

40:11

kind of feel like that's where I

40:14

am right now that he's, you

40:14

know, he's walking beside me

40:18

with you know, giving me a

40:18

little boost as we go you know,

40:21

to walk alongside me and you

40:21

know, I I live on the lake and I

40:27

go out to the water and I talked

40:27

to God every day and you

40:30

And just, you know, I thank him

40:30

for all the things I have. And I

40:34

just asked him, mostly I pray

40:34

for my donor. So, you know, I

40:39

don't necessarily pray for me, I

40:39

pray, I pray to Him, for me to

40:44

try to accept what's happening.

40:44

But I, we, my husband and I pray

40:49

every every day, every morning,

40:49

every night for my

40:52

Wow. air rising.

40:58

Yeah, I mean, Tammy, that's the

40:58

thing I can say about her is

41:01

just, you know, she's not wanting to

41:03

walk around. And just most

41:06

people don't know, there's

41:06

anything wrong with Amy.

41:10

And it's because she doesn't,

41:10

she doesn't express it to

41:15

people, she doesn't focus on the

41:15

the illness part, the sickness

41:20

part, the disease part, but on

41:20

on the the healing part. And,

41:25

you know, that's where I land. I

41:25

too, am a Christian. I mean, I

41:29

am a Jesus follower lover just.

41:34

And, you know, there were many

41:34

years that I wasn't walking with

41:38

him. And boy, he just, you know,

41:38

he reeled me in, you know,

41:42

through stuff that I was walking

41:42

through. And it's just a

41:46

constant leaning on him and, and

41:46

listening to him. And just, I

41:53

don't know, it just brings, it's

41:53

a piece that you can't really

41:57

explain to people, but I think

41:57

people feel it from you. They,

42:02

they feel it resonating from

42:02

you, they feel that lightness in

42:05

you, and and that is it's all

42:05

because of him. And even in all

42:11

of this and all that we've been

42:11

going through. It's just that

42:16

light, peaceful feeling of

42:16

knowing that he has he's right

42:19

there with us. I mean, we we've

42:19

prayed before appointments, we,

42:23

you know, it's just he's ever

42:23

present. It's yeah, I couldn't

42:28

imagine doing this with our

42:28

without him. couldn't imagine

42:33

it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't

42:33

want to rely on myself, because

42:38

that never works out. Well.

42:38

Yeah. You know, what would you

42:41

say to somebody that was

42:41

watching this right now that was

42:44

feeling that feeling like, like they're alone

42:48

walking through it, they've got

42:52

the kidney thing going on? And

42:52

they're not feeling so great

42:57

about it? You just I mean, would

42:57

you recommend? Do you want to

43:01

pray right now, for those

43:01

people? I'd love to pray for

43:05

him. I think that's, that's

43:05

great. I would love for Carlo to

43:09

pray. Me too, initially is gonna

43:09

say that.

43:14

Okay. Oh, Father, we just come to you

43:15

right now. Or we just so we

43:20

thank you for being present here

43:20

with us and our conversation, we

43:23

know that you are speaking

43:23

through us and you are giving us

43:27

the exact words you want us to

43:27

say. And I just pray that, that

43:31

the people that are listening,

43:31

watching that they would just

43:35

feel your love through us they

43:35

would, they would feel just

43:41

you drawing them in that you are

43:41

pulling them close, you are

43:45

saying child, I love you so

43:45

much. You're not alone come to

43:49

me, let me carry you. I just

43:49

envision him picking these

43:54

people up as they're down on the

43:54

ground and they're weary, and he

43:58

is picking them up. And he is

43:58

holding them close and drawing

44:01

them near and showing them that

44:01

they don't have to do this

44:04

alone. And I just pray, I just

44:04

pray, Lord, that people would

44:09

feel that they would know it.

44:09

And that they would want it they

44:13

would want to know the peace and

44:13

the love that you

44:19

that you have filled us up with

44:19

that they would be able to have

44:23

that same thing and all. All it

44:23

takes is saying Jesus, please

44:27

come near Jesus, I love you.

44:27

Whatever you just say the name

44:31

of Jesus. If you can't say

44:31

anything else, say the name of

44:35

Jesus, and He will know he will

44:35

be there. And just pray for

44:39

those out there that are weary

44:39

and feel alone. You're not

44:41

alone. He is with you. And we

44:41

just we just ask that you would

44:46

draw near to Him. In Jesus name.

44:46

Amen. Amen. And yeah, if you're

44:52

out there, if somebody's out

44:52

there, and you're watching this

44:55

and you're struggling, and

44:55

you're angry or upset about the

44:59

whole situation, I just want to

44:59

encourage you to do exactly what

45:03

Carlos said. If you can't say

45:03

anything, just say Jesus, come,

45:08

just do it. Because what else do

45:08

you have to lose? Yeah, you will

45:15

open yourself up to miracles

45:15

that you have never experienced

45:19

before. And

45:23

if someone I know there's going

45:23

to be people tracking your

45:27

journey all over the place. Do

45:27

you have a website that

45:30

You're going to create, or I

45:30

know you're probably going to be

45:34

posting it on your social media.

45:34

But I don't know if y'all ever

45:38

saw this show, it was on

45:38

Netflix, and I can't even

45:40

remember the name of it, but

45:40

they named it.org or.com. And

45:44

you can actually follow these

45:44

people. And they traveled around

45:46

for the, you know, the world. It

45:46

was like a kindness thing,

45:50

right? And if you wanted to

45:50

follow Him, you can just get on

45:53

the website, is there a way that

45:53

they can just go directly to

45:58

somewhere where they could see

45:58

these pictures, all your videos,

46:02

your comments, anything like

46:02

that? Well, that's definitely

46:06

something that's in the works,

46:06

we have secured the donating the

46:09

domain name. And you know, these

46:09

are areas where people ask us,

46:15

How can we help? How can we

46:15

help, that's an area that

46:18

someone could help by, we are

46:18

not technology people. We are

46:22

not, but you know, areas where

46:22

people that want to come in, and

46:25

they desire to serve and help

46:25

help us create a website. But we

46:31

do have an Instagram page. It's

46:31

at a donors story

46:40

is what it's called. And we have

46:40

a private Facebook page, by the

46:44

same name, where we go and put

46:44

updates and pictures and

46:49

stories. And, you know, we're

46:49

trying to get better at that

46:53

too. So we can get on more and

46:53

share our journey. And that's

46:57

why also our friend Didi, who is

46:57

the photographer came to

47:00

document as much as she was

47:00

allowed to do, because it's hard

47:03

when you're in the hospital

47:03

setting with all that you do,

47:06

but to document this journey,

47:06

again, just to create awareness.

47:12

So it's stuff that we can share

47:12

with people along the way,

47:16

and help others because if we

47:16

can, if we can save one life by

47:20

doing this, and when we did an

47:20

Instagram Live, you know, we had

47:25

friends saying, Hey, I've got

47:25

three people that want to know

47:28

how to apply, where do I send?

47:28

Okay. So things like that, where

47:33

we can create that, and I know

47:33

there's we can send them, you

47:37

know, we have a phone number and

47:37

the information for the living

47:41

donor advocate that people can

47:41

contact. Uh huh. Okay, well,

47:46

what I can do to help is put all

47:46

that information in my show

47:51

notes. I give it all that

47:51

information on the chatterbox

47:55

website. I get all that

47:55

information from you, and then

48:01

even put it out there on my

48:01

platforms. And who I know

48:06

about getting you need a website

48:06

developers what you need. Yeah,

48:10

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we both you

48:12

know, you've heard Tammy, she

48:16

has a full time job. In addition

48:16

to everything, you know, she's

48:20

not just a little one, your

48:20

first graders, and had five of

48:25

those suckers before there are

48:25

we both have other things that

48:30

we're doing and this, you know,

48:30

stuff like this. It's time

48:33

consuming. Yeah. And so but it's

48:33

our desire to get things out

48:38

there and whatever way we can.

48:38

Okay, can you spell a donor

48:44

story for me? Because I just

48:44

don't know if you're using two

48:46

s's or one? A, D, o, n o r s. s.

48:46

T. O ry. Okay. And that's on

48:56

Instagram. Yes. And then the

48:56

private Facebook group is by the

49:01

same day. Okay. I gotta make

49:01

sure I'm on. And I know I saw

49:05

something come by. And I think I

49:05

make sure I'm on all this.

49:08

Because I want yeah, I want to

49:08

be able to put in, I can post on

49:12

there to anything like, yes, you

49:12

can do you can get in there.

49:16

It goes through approval by us.

49:16

Yeah. And so yeah, you can put

49:21

stuff on there, we would approve

49:21

you. Thanks. I appreciate that.

49:27

All right. Anything else that we

49:27

can think of right now? You have

49:31

anything? I know. I don't know.

49:31

I mean, we covered the

49:35

surgeries, what you've been

49:35

doing your faith, how you got

49:38

there, how we got the match? And

49:38

how long? I'm really glad that

49:44

you brought that up about how

49:44

long each one of you would be in

49:47

surgery. I really want to know

49:47

about that. And the recovery.

49:50

That's good. And then we're just

49:50

going to wait and see when we

49:53

can tape again and know what our

49:53

next step is. But, but how I can

49:59

help y'all is I can work on

49:59

finding a website developer for

50:04

you. And you have a you didn't

50:04

tell me the website name. They

50:10

are saying a donor story.com

50:10

Okay. Yeah, I've already secured

50:15

that. Perfect. So I think it'll, you

50:16

know, you know, like you said,

50:21

What's websites up and running

50:21

and we can, you know, here, this

50:24

is our next step. Here's the

50:24

next step in our approach. This

50:27

is where you're at now and and

50:27

you know, because

50:31

I think there'll be a little

50:31

some more testing. And then God

50:34

willing, if this is, this is

50:34

what God has been playing, you

50:39

know, for both of us then

50:39

eventually will be the surgery

50:44

day. And that would be a huge

50:44

update that we could share with

50:47

everyone and, and time and how

50:47

Brown is doing and yeah, I think

50:55

even just recognition of if, if

50:55

I am not the perfect match for

51:01

any reason, I mean, as of now,

51:01

it definitely looks like I am.

51:05

But if I am not, it's that I I

51:05

want just people to pour into

51:13

and surrounds me because it'll

51:13

be a disappointment. It'll be,

51:17

you know, to go this far. And

51:17

going back again. Although we

51:23

know and we've been praying if

51:23

it is not me, I we've said we

51:28

know God is preparing that

51:28

person right now.

51:31

I believe that 100% So I'm so in

51:31

awe by both of your your faith,

51:38

your love that you have, I can

51:38

just feel it through the

51:41

computer. I've been getting

51:41

chills the whole time. Yeah, you

51:45

two are amazing. People, I'm so

51:45

glad to know you and be a part

51:49

of all of this just to be able

51:49

to talk to you about it. Provide

51:53

one small outlet to get it out

51:53

there for people to hear and

51:56

feel support or direction.

52:00

So, where do you go?

52:05

If I wanted to be a donor? What

52:05

would the first step man I

52:08

didn't know. And I didn't know

52:08

one person that needed a kidney.

52:11

But I went you know what, I'm

52:11

gonna do that. Yeah, there's

52:14

where do you start? Well, I what

52:14

do we know? We know that the

52:18

Living Donor trying to think what's it

52:20

called? Living Donor Advocate

52:23

and Donor Advocate? Yes. And her

52:23

name is Jane. We're allowed to

52:27

give out information. And okay. I can

52:29

probably send that to you. I can

52:34

get to it right away. But but

52:34

she is, you know, and she's a

52:41

living donor coordinator. So it's okay for

52:43

me. She's for for anyone, for

52:48

anyone. So anybody in the United

52:48

States that heard this could get

52:54

a hold of her and say, I want to

52:54

be a donor. You know, if you

52:58

live in Boston, she could drink

52:58

keep directions perfect. In

53:02

Boston. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard

53:02

her. Okay, let's do it. Do you

53:07

want me to say it right now say

53:07

right now and then I'll rewrite

53:11

all of it. But okay, get it out.

53:11

There is Jane Daly own D E. l e

53:18

o n. She is a living donor, kidney

53:21

transplant coordinator.

53:30

And her phone number is

53:30

83235573061. Did she say

53:39

355-355-7061? Okay.

53:46

And then her email is Jane

53:46

francis.de. Leon.

53:59

Okay, at common c o m m o n

53:59

spirit.org.

54:08

Oh, that sounds interesting. And

54:12

you go down yet? No, I haven't.

54:12

We should. Okay. Yeah. Well,

54:18

honestly, I haven't paid much

54:18

attention to that. So Right.

54:21

Yeah. Kind of like going on

54:21

girl. Kidneys to think about?

54:25

Yeah. Well, thank you so much for

54:27

coming and visiting with me. And

54:30

this our time went by so fast. I

54:30

know. Well, and I want to say

54:35

thank you, because I mean, that you're you're our

54:37

first podcast first out there,

54:43

and I wouldn't want anyone else

54:43

doing it for us. So are you

54:46

serious? Thank you, Carla. Alan.

54:52

That means a lot coming from you

54:52

too. It really does. I was like,

54:56

Carla, I really like to talk

54:56

about that. We were like this to

55:02

nutrition. Let's talk about

55:02

that. Better Instagram agents

55:06

know your cage. This is what we

55:06

need to talk about. Yeah. And

55:10

get it out there. I know it.

55:10

Tammy, I don't know you that

55:14

well. But I love you so much.

55:14

Why do and I want to hug you

55:19

and I want to be bringing friend

55:19

over here. You can see it. I'm

55:23

gonna turn it so you can see it.

55:23

That is my area right there. See

55:26

that? Yes. My 23 year old went

55:26

in the garage when he

55:30

was for and got wood and painted

55:30

Christ and put nails in his

55:36

hands. And so I've got all my

55:36

stuff right there. And I kneel

55:42

and I pray every morning every

55:42

night. And I got a list right

55:46

there. So I'm not playing. Yeah,

55:46

and I'm not kidding. And I'm not

55:50

a Christian, one of those

55:50

Christians that say, I pray for

55:53

you. And then I turn around and go to

55:55

talk about you bad. That's not

55:58

happening. You're right on my

55:58

list. And I'm so honored that

56:02

you are, and I don't feel

56:02

worthy. Being a part of it, but

56:07

we all gotta get over that.

56:07

Right. Like, we're God's

56:10

children and we, he loves us and wants us to be

56:13

doing this. And showing his

56:18

Christ's love with all of his

56:18

believers to absolutely so I'll

56:25

pray us out. And and then you

56:25

guys can go have dinner. I'm

56:29

sure you're starving. It's been

56:29

a long day. What are we having

56:32

for dinner? By the way? Tell me

56:32

gonna go to some good Mexican.

56:35

They're going to a steak house.

56:35

Yeah, my husband is taking us

56:40

out to dinner. So I've known her husband since the

56:43

sixth grade.

56:47

Yes. Yeah. So cool. So family a

56:47

little while do we call it day?

56:54

Six. Okay, wait, I need to have

56:54

another podcast because I want

56:59

to hear that story. I want to

56:59

hear all y'all that got

57:02

together. So good.

57:07

You got days, girl. We got days.

57:12

All right, I'll pray. Okay. Father, God, thank you so much

57:14

for this time together. I ask

57:18

that you just bless these two.

57:18

Once we close our computers and

57:22

they're off and running that I

57:22

know that this thing is going to

57:25

happen. It's going to happen

57:25

under your watch and your

57:28

covering and only bring you

57:28

glory. And I pray for all the

57:32

people that listen to this

57:32

podcast, or watch the YouTube

57:36

that they can get this

57:36

information, feel encouraged,

57:39

feel inspired, feel God work in

57:39

their life, no matter what is

57:43

happening. I thank you. And all

57:43

these things in Jesus Christ

57:47

holy name, amen. Amen. Love

57:47

Pres. Thank you so, so much,

57:53

y'all. Okay, thank you. Bye