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It's time for Mac and me to leave the island.

1:01

Our next stop is Dusseldorf, where Helga

1:03

grew up and still lives for half of the year. We've

1:07

got meetings arranged with several people in and around

1:09

the city, and we're hoping they can shed

1:11

some much-needed light on Helga's life and

1:14

crimes. To really

1:16

bring him into focus.

1:19

As I pack to leave Helga's borrowed home, I

1:21

feel like I'm starting to get a handle on the guy. But

1:24

that at any moment, the handle

1:26

could break. At times he seems

1:29

utterly transparent. A hustler constantly

1:31

hustling everybody, myself included.

1:34

Then there are the flashes of sincerity. For

1:37

now, I'm feeling optimistic about the next

1:39

leg of our trip. One of the people we're due

1:41

to meet was the lead prosecutor in

1:43

Helga's trial. Helga

1:47

drives us to the airport in the rented Peugeot. Simone

1:50

rides Shotgun. Helga plays

1:52

some of his favorite songs by his favorite musicians.

1:55

Pink Floyd, Adele, Leonard Cohen.

1:58

He cranks the volume for the ringing guitar.

1:59

of shine on you crazy diamonds.

2:03

On the other side of the car's window, the burnt

2:05

toast of the volcanic rock life path. The

2:07

vast sky is impossibly

2:10

blue. Soon,

2:12

Helga will return to Germany, move

2:15

into another loaner home from April to October,

2:18

before heading back to Lanzarote. This

2:21

one on the former pig farm in Karsk, where

2:23

Culture Without Borders has rebuilt a dilapidated

2:25

farmhouse into its HQ. During

2:28

our last hours on the island, Helga's been busy

2:31

making sure we will visit Culture Without Borders

2:33

and sending us contact info for people he

2:36

thinks we should speak with to better understand

2:38

him. He can't resist

2:40

putting his thumb on the scale of our story.

2:44

And

2:44

of course, Helga has plans.

2:48

Deals he can't tell us about yet. Now

2:51

we're arriving at the airport. It's

2:53

time to say goodbye. But I have

2:56

a feeling this is far from the last

2:58

time we'll speak with Helga. And

3:11

then they're gone.

3:13

Mack and I immediately start to process

3:15

the Helga experience. He really doesn't

3:17

live like a guy who's earning 1200 euro a month. I

3:22

wonder how many people come to town and buy him

3:26

fancy dinner and stuff. Selena.

3:29

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After Bertolt died, Helga's life went

6:17

on just fine.

6:19

By then he'd set up a new fund with a prominent

6:21

bank called Berenberg.

6:23

The plan was to raise 50 million euros from investors

6:26

to buy some 200 paintings and sculptures

6:29

with the idea that everything would

6:31

go up in value and everyone would get

6:33

rich.

6:34

To help with acquisitions, Helga hired

6:37

a former museum director named Thomas

6:39

Kelline.

6:42

At the time, Helga felt that he'd

6:45

gotten away with it. The secrets

6:47

and lies of his fraudulent invoices had died

6:49

with Bertolt Albrecht, and it seemed

6:51

that his widow, Babette, was none

6:53

the wiser. A

6:56

different kind of person might have ended the scheme

6:58

there, satisfied with the millions

7:00

they'd managed to steal. But

7:02

as Mack and I learned while we stayed with him, Helga

7:05

can't help being anything but himself.

7:08

He wanted more.

7:10

And at Berenberg, Helga had access

7:12

to new clients. Emboldened,

7:15

Helga tried his collages again, this

7:18

time with pharmaceutical mogul Christian Behringer,

7:21

who was looking to build a collection. Now,

7:24

however, things were different.

7:27

Because now, Helga wasn't the only person

7:29

with access to the transaction records. Thomas

7:32

Kelline can see them as well. Kelline

7:35

and the bank, Berenberg, were partners

7:38

in this larger art venture. Working

7:40

with a financial institution meant that there were people

7:42

Helga was accountable to, people

7:44

he didn't know very well. Helga

7:47

believed he'd bought Kelline's silence by securing

7:49

him a six-figure signing bonus. But

7:53

in December of 2012, Kelline noticed

7:55

that, quote, something wasn't right with

7:57

the transactions Berenberg was facilitating for the

7:59

financial system. pharmaceutical mogul. Helga

8:02

had been charging premiums that Kellogg quote

8:04

couldn't support he later testified.

8:07

After noting three unusual

8:09

transactions conducted between 2012 and early 2013, Kellogg went

8:11

to the bank and informed them of

8:15

exactly what Helga was up to. So

8:18

I found one day

8:20

Kellogg and I said, Kellogg, why

8:23

you made this stupid

8:25

thing.

8:27

Why you did not speak with me? You got

8:30

the money. I split with you the money

8:32

we took from Berlinger.

8:34

You got 150,000, the other partner

8:38

got 105,000 and my company

8:40

got 150,000 and the rest was cost.

8:42

He said, yeah, you know, I think

8:45

it is good for you that you are not your

8:48

life, full-life crime

8:50

criminal. I said, okay,

8:52

thank you very much. Today,

8:55

Kellogg is the top art consultant for the private

8:57

Swiss bank, Burgos. According

9:00

to the bank's website, he looks after international

9:02

collectors, analyzes trends on the art

9:04

market and advises on strategic

9:07

issues.

9:09

We sent several emails and

9:11

made many calls to try and reach Kellogg.

9:14

We didn't receive any response.

9:16

So in the spring, after

9:18

hearing he was going to be at the prestigious

9:20

Frees Art Fair in Manhattan, Mack

9:23

and I tried to find him there. We

9:26

wandered several floors of the coldly

9:28

glamorous Midtown spot hosting this year's fair,

9:31

but no one had heard of either Kellogg

9:33

or Burgos bank. Finally,

9:37

we found our way to the Deutsche Bank Wealth Management

9:39

Lounge on the mezzanine level, which

9:42

was as easy as finding the seventh and a half

9:44

floor in being John Malkovich. That

9:47

is not easy at all. We

9:50

figured if anyone knew where to find Kellogg, it would

9:52

be in a wealth management lounge. A

9:55

Deutsche Bank rep stopped us as we tried

9:57

to enter the room.

9:59

What is it

10:00

you're wanting to do? Okay, so we were looking

10:03

for a very specific banker. Okay. His

10:05

name is Thomas Kelline. He works for Burgos.

10:07

But we were like, oh, there don't seem to be

10:09

any other bank thing here. They

10:13

weren't on the map, so we thought maybe

10:15

Burgos... Did a thing with Deutsche Bank.

10:18

Yeah. No. Not that. I

10:20

mean, it's nothing we're aware of. Okay. And, yeah.

10:23

Have you heard of Burgos? I haven't, no.

10:25

No. No. It seems no one. Do

10:28

they exist? We figured wrong.

10:30

Later that afternoon, Kelline replied to our last-ditch

10:33

email to say he had been at Frees one

10:36

day earlier. And

10:38

to say good luck with our story.

10:41

After Kelline revealed Helga's fraud, Helga

10:43

says he met with Behringer and returned

10:45

the money he'd skimmed from the sale. A

10:48

story in Art News seems to confirm that

10:50

was more or less the case, reporting

10:52

that the quote 1.8 million euro

10:54

dispute between Behringer and Aachenbach was

10:56

later solved by Behringberg Art Consulting

10:59

in an out-of-court settlement. As

11:02

far as Helga knew, at that point, the

11:04

matter was resolved.

11:07

For a while, it seemed like none of Helga's

11:09

shady maneuvering did anything to slow his

11:11

career. Near the end of 2013,

11:14

he was hired to bring art to the seven-building

11:16

complex in Brazil that was housing Germany's 2014

11:19

World Cup soccer team. He

11:21

called on his friend Klaus Fühtinger, an

11:23

artist Helga had met as a young man at the Düsseldorf

11:25

Art Academy, to design lamps for

11:28

the bar area. The lamps depicted

11:30

German soccer stars of the past. Fühtinger

11:33

ended up helping construct the bar himself. I

11:35

did it with my brother. My brother was

11:38

the IT man. And we

11:40

built it together, and some Indians were helping

11:42

us. And I think

11:44

we built about two months, the

11:47

whole thing. So in this case,

11:50

I built the bar, I chose

11:53

the furniture, everything. Whatever

11:57

Fühtinger did, it seemed to help the soccer

11:59

teams' memory.

11:59

Mojo.

12:01

That year, Germany crushed Brazil 7-1

12:04

in a semi-final match on their way to winning the

12:06

World Cup title.

12:07

The Brazilians are in disbelief.

12:10

They are stunned. They have come

12:12

here for a sombre and they have

12:14

been totally roped back on

12:17

their hands by the longest-manable

12:19

Germans.

12:20

Helga, meanwhile, was not as

12:23

lucky. While the Brazil

12:25

project was coming together, bank executives

12:27

familiar with Helga's Behringer deal were in

12:29

touch with Babette Albrecht's lawyer,

12:32

Dr. Andreas Erban. Babette

12:34

and her lawyer began digging through Bertolt's records,

12:37

paying special attention to the collaged

12:39

invoices. Helga says his phone

12:41

was tapped by the police. A

12:43

case was being built against him.

12:47

While Klaus was constructing the bar, Helga

12:49

flew to Brazil to see how everything was progressing.

12:52

And it was my checkup flight to

12:55

see if everything is fine, because a few

12:57

days later the championship started.

13:00

And so we were in

13:02

a kind of celebration atmosphere.

13:05

There it was a good time and very

13:08

nice and everything. From

13:10

there, Helga said he traveled to Washington,

13:12

D.C. to attend a friend's 60th birthday

13:15

party. He met Dorothy there, and

13:17

the two of them flew first class overnight back

13:19

to Dusseldorf, arriving on June 10,

13:23

2014, at 7.30 in the morning. Stepping

13:25

off the plane,

13:26

Helga knew immediately that

13:29

something was not right. There were two

13:32

tall guys, very

13:34

sympathetic, good looking, very

13:36

sporty, looking at me and said, are

13:38

you Mr. Ahama? I said, yes, I'm Mr. Ahama. Ahama,

13:42

would you come and come to the side, we

13:44

have something for you. And

13:46

I said, what do you have? Yeah,

13:48

I have here. I don't know the word in

13:50

English, but we have a paper that means

13:52

you are arrested.

13:54

If Helga was surprised, Dorothy

13:56

was blindsided. Until

13:59

this moment, she had no idea her

14:01

husband was a wanted man.

14:03

And she was shocked, of

14:05

course. She said what happened. I

14:07

said, yeah, something stupid. They

14:10

think I took too much money from Berthold

14:12

and... So you said that

14:14

then? I said, they

14:17

think, yeah, that was written. I

14:19

could read it, you know? And

14:23

I said, but don't be

14:25

afraid, because there's no

14:28

criminal act, because

14:31

he got from me this security

14:34

of bringing the paintings back.

14:35

What Helga means here is that he was under

14:38

the impression that any possible legal

14:40

exposure would be mitigated by the fact that he

14:42

had offered Berthold the 4% buyback clause. So

14:46

even as he was being arrested at the airport, Helga

14:49

believed that everything would be straightened out soon

14:51

enough. So I found this lawyer. From

14:53

the airport? Yes. And I

14:56

said, listen, we are sticking

14:58

here, and can

15:00

you help me? And she said, yes,

15:03

sure, we go to Essen.

15:06

Helga and Dorothy drove with the two detectives

15:08

to Essen. Getting there wasn't

15:11

easy. A massive storm was coming

15:13

in. All trees were, not all,

15:15

but a number of trees were on the streets. And

15:18

I was thinking, oh, that's my life. So

15:22

it was exactly how I was feeling

15:24

at this moment. Because of the storm, they

15:26

couldn't use the highways. A trip

15:28

that normally takes about 20 minutes lasted

15:31

four and a half hours. In

15:34

Essen, Helga was taken into a small

15:36

room in the police headquarters.

15:39

He and his lawyer met with a judge and a

15:41

state prosecutor.

15:43

The prosecutor laid out the case, claiming

15:45

that Helga had stolen between 60 and 120 million

15:49

euros from Bertolt Albrecht. That

15:52

number included much of the art and some of the cars,

15:55

Bentley's Bugatti's Ferraris.

15:57

I said, are you crazy? And you know

15:59

that we offered Mrs.

16:02

Albrich to buy everything back.

16:05

And he said, yeah,

16:06

you might have done it, but

16:09

we are not sure if this all is correct

16:11

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. At this point, Helga's

16:13

lawyers began negotiating with the judge about

16:15

how much the state's claim should be and

16:17

how Helga might be able to pay it back. While

16:21

Helga didn't have a ton of cash on hand, he

16:23

once told me that for every one million

16:25

he made, he tended to spend another three

16:27

million. He did have assets

16:30

in the houses and cars and some 2,300

16:32

art pieces in his own collection. As

16:35

the night wore on, Helga couldn't keep his

16:38

thoughts straight. Everything goes through

16:40

your head in those

16:42

months. You have thousands of points,

16:44

of course, my children, of course,

16:47

the doors here, of course, the company, the

16:49

people working for me. Everything

16:51

came down. So it's a panic

16:54

zone, you know, it's a very special thinking.

16:57

Finally, the judge determined

17:00

that Helga would be a free risk and ordered

17:02

him kept in jail until the trial began.

17:05

You have panic

17:05

and you think it's not

17:07

possible. You destroy everything

17:09

now. And then you have also

17:12

this hope that the lawyer

17:14

is right. So it

17:16

was a really mixture of emotions.

17:19

And then it gets

17:22

real. Helga was first put in a temporary

17:24

cell. So there was a... There's gonna be some

17:26

spiciness. Like, why don't you and Kimmy

17:28

look at the line? Like, why isn't Ben Savage here? Why don't you get along?

17:31

But when they brought it up here,

17:32

what's her name, Joe Marie Peyton, just goes, we

17:35

miss him so much. He's dealt with a lot in his life.

17:37

We wish he could be here, but he's so special. I

17:39

was like, it's funny that it seems like they were trying

17:41

to bait

17:42

these people into hating Jaleel. And

17:45

they were like, nope, it's nothing but love. We love

17:47

Urkel. Sorry, bye.

17:49

And guess who took the bait? Danielle Fischl.

17:51

She said, I'm not voting for Ben for Congress,

17:53

California 30, Congress CA 30,

17:56

is that representative? Oh, Congress. He wants

17:58

to be Congress.

17:59

Congress.

17:59

You know what his slogan is?

18:02

What?

18:03

Together we can do better. It's like as long

18:05

as it's not what my boy meets world fam.

18:08

I'm sorry, your tagline should be

18:10

Ben meets vote. You know, like, come

18:12

on. Ha ha ha ha.

18:14

Remember he was running for like city

18:16

council in West Hollywood and posing with all those drag

18:18

queens and he was like, it's me. He's like,

18:20

I support gay. Yeah. Well,

18:24

guess what he's doing now? He's like posing with cops

18:26

being like, never forget. He's

18:29

kind of he's kind of going a different

18:31

route now. He

18:34

said, never forget to vote for me.

18:36

Wink, wink. OK, bye. This

18:39

all caps is definitely like a Timmy question. I

18:42

appreciate the prompt. It's me. Oh,

18:44

you wrote that all caps. I always think all caps is

18:46

Timmy. Oh, Timmy always puts Timmy with italics.

18:48

Yeah, I'm all caps. Us Weekly

18:50

DMed 19 male celebs to see how often

18:52

they think of the Roman Empire. And it's shocking. My

18:54

first reaction to this was, oh,

18:58

horrible content.

18:59

You don't like it. But do you get it?

19:01

Yeah, of course I get it. You get what it is? No, I

19:03

get the Roman Empire meme. I just thought it was dumb.

19:06

OK, how do you feel about Us Weekly doing

19:08

a meme?

19:08

I was ready to hate it. I said memes

19:10

don't belong in Us Weekly. And then I read

19:13

it and I was like, it's actual reporting. It's journalism.

19:15

Memes belong in Us Weekly.

19:16

What I love about this and like

19:19

Us Weekly, tell us if we're wrong.

19:21

You know, I feel like maybe a younger person

19:23

in the office was inspired

19:25

to pitch something slightly outside of the box,

19:28

outside of the norm and said, wouldn't

19:30

it be funny if we just DM'd men,

19:32

celebrity men, and asked what they thought about the Roman

19:34

Empire? For those of you who aren't in

19:36

hell, what's happening on Twitter right now or like

19:39

on TikTok or I don't even know where it's originated is

19:41

that there's a joke that men are obsessed

19:43

with the Roman Empire. Do you feel this

19:46

way? Are you obsessed with the Roman Empire? Not at all.

19:48

OK. No, I'm not.

19:50

Well, there is a catch to this that certain

19:52

types of men are not involved in this.

19:55

I can look at the Roman Empire and say, that's interesting. I

19:57

can look at an aqueduct and say, I'm glad you invented that.

19:59

No, like how often are you thinking about

20:02

the Roman Empire? Apparently a certain type of

20:04

man is thinking about it constantly They

20:06

said let's do a fun gag and

20:08

they use their us weekly Twitter privilege to DM

20:11

some

20:12

This is what I love. Yeah,

20:14

and they do you like the funniest list of celebs

20:16

because it's very much like It's Friends

20:18

of the pod, right? It's like Friends of the magazine.

20:20

It's people like who were bachelor contestants, you

20:22

know It's a Jonathan Bennett. It's very

20:24

BFFs. We slide into their dams and they respond

20:27

immediately, you know We're not people who us we please

20:29

into yeah, and it's here's

20:32

my favorites. I put in here, but they're all pretty

20:34

good it said we DM 19 male celebs and

20:37

Most of them are pretty funny or at least I think

20:39

like worth reading I'll

20:42

read the ones I put in here Matt James

20:44

Every day except for Sunday when it's

20:46

closed. That's when I think about it the most

20:48

James responded Some of them responded

20:51

with jokes Some of them explicitly said they

20:53

were jokes some of them us weekly interpreted

20:55

a jokes and it editorialized them as

20:57

jokes Here's one from Jesse Palmer. The

20:59

bachelor nation host told us he

21:01

thinks about the Roman Empire at least once a week

21:04

quote Just last night I was marveling

21:06

at a how ingenious of an invention the aqueduct

21:08

was he jokingly added and I was

21:10

sort of like How do you know that was jokingly

21:13

because some of these are very serious.

21:15

I think they're kind of fun I mean you can tell

21:17

first of all who's online Mm-hmm and

21:19

who already knew about the meme and who's kind of like that's

21:22

random like Mike Johnson said while in these are

21:24

all bachelor People while in Europe two weeks ago

21:26

legit the most random Johnson

21:28

said before noting he wished that he had come up with a funnier

21:31

answer No, he was just answering like that's pretty random Sean

21:33

Booth said actually thought about last week when I was planning

21:35

a workout for my gym That is an honest and true

21:38

answer one of the worst answers

21:40

comes from a property brother who said

21:42

not often at all The property brother

21:44

host said alongside a link to a tick

21:47

tock video of himself answering the same

21:49

question sarcastically meaning

21:51

he'd already Engaged

21:53

with with the content

21:54

online Humiliating

21:56

and he said please see my tech talk for my

21:58

full statement

21:59

You said please, Lincoln, share. Thank you.

22:02

The Scott brothers? They're so into

22:04

content. They're really on top of it. They're so into TikTok and

22:06

meals. They're always, they're like, they're like,

22:08

oh,

22:08

is there a meme about the Roman Empire and how men

22:10

love it? We must engage?

22:13

They engage with every meme.

22:15

Okay, here's a good one. This is a good one.

22:18

Mm hmm.

22:18

I don't know who this person is, Jeremy Lewis. Who is that? He

22:21

has a podcast called Wild Till Nine.

22:22

Very like internet culture.

22:24

Okay, here's a very authentic answer

22:26

as to what I think the meme is actually referring

22:28

to. Considering they essentially invented,

22:31

engineered, and commercialized running water, I dare

22:33

say I don't think about them enough. Not

22:35

to mention at least one of those aqueducts built in

22:37

the first century is still functioning today. I

22:40

think that's what the meme literally is. Like

22:43

a girlfriend listening to a boyfriend be

22:45

like, let's talk about aqueducts

22:47

or do you know about the aqueducts? What's that

22:49

podcast that's like the history

22:52

one that's like 12 hours long, each episode's like 12

22:54

hours long and some guy just like tells you history. I

22:57

feel

22:57

like you know about this. No,

22:59

because I hate podcasts that are just people reading a history

23:01

book. It's like absolutely not. You're not going to editorialize

23:03

it. As opposed to reading a Wikipedia entry

23:06

like we do. It's like you think about like celebrity

23:08

memoir book club. It's like they're reading the celebrity memoir.

23:10

They want you to engage with it too. They're adding funny

23:13

context or adding humor. The ones that are just like,

23:15

I read this book on Queen Elizabeth and now I'm just going to tell

23:17

you everything that was in the book. I think that that's so annoying.

23:20

It's like just read me the fucking audio book.

23:22

So I think what we should end on

23:24

for these questions is what I inferred

23:26

why I asked you about you knowing about the

23:28

Roman Empire, which is they asked out

23:31

of all of the men they asked who were gay. OK,

23:33

one Chris Olsen, the tick

23:35

tocker to Mean Girls Jonathan

23:37

Bennett, who the tick tocker flash you, Megan,

23:39

his best friend,

23:40

always around. OK, these two are

23:43

always available. Chris Olsen said, is

23:45

that a Nicki Minaj thing?

23:47

Roman, which is funny.

23:48

Me when asked anything, is

23:50

that a Nicki Minaj thing? And

23:52

Jonathan who said, I don't think that

23:54

I do.

23:55

Laugh, cry, face.

23:56

I think that he didn't know about the

23:58

meme. I truly think he didn't know. about the meme and would

24:00

just like, LOL, Us Weekly's being funny.

24:02

And I think that that's beautiful.

24:06

I do too. Okay. How

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25:39

How much of

25:41

this, David?

25:42

What do we think about the friendship between

25:44

Jen Shaw and Elizabeth Holmes in prison?

25:45

I mean, I think Jen Shaw made a beeline.

25:48

I think she knew that woman was going to be there coming in.

25:51

The question really is who's more dangerous. And I think

25:53

Jen Shaw said, there's a more dangerous

25:55

woman than me in here when it comes to... Who's

25:57

more dangerous? Elizabeth Holmes by a factor of like a heart.

25:59

For

26:01

sure. And Jen Shaw said, I'm coming for that woman.

26:03

Because you know Elizabeth Holmes didn't know about Jen

26:05

Shaw, but Jen Shaw had a lot

26:07

of time

26:08

to do reading about Elizabeth Holmes. They're

26:11

friends.

26:12

They're both rehabilitating and have bonded over

26:14

being on the journey of positive change. The

26:17

situations brought them together and they have a good

26:19

understanding

26:19

of one another. They're getting through it together. This

26:22

is Jen's rep, which I love. Just

26:24

being totally open about it. I think setting the

26:26

table for some piece of

26:28

content, some piece of something,

26:30

some piece of cursed, wretched

26:33

entrepreneurial activity to come out of these two.

26:36

I know that they're planning

26:38

for something to happen between Jen Shaw

26:40

and Elizabeth Holmes.

26:41

My thing is, although

26:43

I learned that Dancing with the Stars

26:46

is a WGA

26:46

production and should not be going

26:48

back to production.

26:50

Yeah, it sure is. Did you know that? Uh-uh.

26:53

Uh-huh. Wow, I didn't know it was

26:55

a WGA production.

26:56

Since I just learned that I'm not in support

26:58

of this season, but I am in support, I do think these

27:00

women have a very big future ahead of them on

27:02

Dancing with the Stars. Because as we know,

27:05

that category of felon was

27:07

missing.

27:08

Oh my God. From the lineup. No,

27:10

you're right. You're right.

27:12

I didn't realize DWTS was

27:14

WGA. That's so fucking cool. Sure

27:15

is. Sure is.

27:17

They don't want you to know that, but they are. They

27:19

didn't know that. So, Jen Shaw

27:21

and Elizabeth Holmes, Jen gets all

27:23

the ladies together and they rally behind her while

27:25

she teaches them fitness moves. And Elizabeth has

27:27

been there right along with them. My

27:31

God.

27:31

Moving on. A lot of relationship

27:34

news this week. So much.

27:36

And a lot of it is actually pretty surprising.

27:38

Number

27:39

one, Deanna Taylor and Imane Schumpfert

27:41

broke up. They seemed like one of the perfect couples.

27:44

I was very shocked.

27:45

I gasped. I literally

27:47

gasped because they had a reality

27:49

show together. First of all, the

27:52

divorce thing has been crazy recently. Doesn't it feel like everybody's

27:54

getting divorced? That's what it feels like. It's

27:56

one after the other. I keep retweeting

27:58

like, no. I just I feel

28:00

very I feel very confused

28:03

like it's something in retrograde is something happening

28:05

What's

28:05

fighting about their thoughts about unions you

28:08

got a pro union at the Union in every

28:10

relationship?

28:11

Yeah, maybe the house is split.

28:13

She wrote Not too much on

28:15

my bestie in all fairness and Mon and I

28:17

are separated have been for a while to be 1000% clear

28:22

infidelity in doesn't quotes Infidelity

28:24

ain't one of the reasons for our departure

28:27

We are still the best of friends great business

28:29

partners and one hell of a team when it comes to co-parenting

28:32

our two beautiful children Most importantly

28:35

we are family in the ten years together seven

28:37

years married. We ain't ever played about that We

28:40

just keep y'all asses in the group chat law Which is the

28:42

reason we've been able to sinfully and peacefully separate

28:44

without all of the outside noise The only

28:46

reason I'm even sharing this as part of the chat

28:49

is because the narratives are getting a lot of hand and

28:51

it's unfair To all parties involved. I hope

28:53

this provided some clarity for y'all Okay,

28:56

auntie taken y'all back out of the chat Bye

28:58

bye What I think is interesting

29:01

about this and the only reason I kind of believe

29:03

this to be mostly true Is that

29:06

Tana Taylor famously says whatever she wants

29:08

and has like actually been very alienating

29:11

to her career that she kind of says Whatever she

29:13

wants like I think she gets in trouble a lot for

29:15

that I really admire that and

29:17

I think she's really talented But I do think

29:20

she kind of is very opinionated and kind of doesn't

29:22

hold back I don't think that

29:24

she would have not said Something

29:27

if something had happened,

29:29

right? Oh, yeah. I see what you're saying now. Yeah. Yeah,

29:31

you mean I don't think I don't think she would

29:33

Have held back is my point. She's

29:36

an outspoken person if she had been betrayed

29:38

in some way Then I

29:41

think she would have said something like I just don't

29:43

I don't see her That's her whole

29:44

thing. But this I think is specifically

29:46

because

29:48

Last week there was a rumor that

29:50

Iman was cheating on her because he

29:52

was caught with some other woman in some

29:55

sort of public place and When

29:57

that happens and you're married that turns into

30:00

to cheating allegations, cheating allegations.

30:02

So because a mom was getting specific cheating allegations

30:04

in fidelity, that's why that's in quotes in her statement.

30:07

I think that's why she was like, okay,

30:09

we should take something. Because it

30:11

seems like they sort of settled into many months of

30:13

being separated without anyone knowing. And then the

30:15

moment there was a bump on the road, they were like, okay,

30:18

now's as good a time as any.

30:19

Right, and also cheating allegations

30:21

means that somebody knows that you're broken up and wants

30:23

to announce it and say, and give

30:26

a reason or any reason why. So she was like,

30:28

yeah. She was kind of like, if

30:30

you know, you knew, you know?

30:33

It's important to set the scene. I

30:35

think we did a bad job of it. The photo that they posted

30:37

alongside this separation announcement was

30:40

of the two of them in a costume as Wayne and Garth

30:42

from Wayne's World. So like, it's

30:44

a very lighthearted, playful announcement

30:46

to match the tone of the actual caption.

30:49

They were charming. Like they were together when he won

30:51

Dancing with the Stars and he win, did he win? I already forgot.

30:54

He won. Remember when he cut the cord

30:56

with like his air pod cord?

31:00

He cut the umbilical cord with his air

31:02

pods? Not his air pods, his

31:04

wired headphones? He cut it with the

31:06

headphone cord. He like went like, yeah.

31:08

What is next on here?

31:11

This is

31:11

really nuts. Just

31:14

read the headline. Savannah Chrisley

31:16

is dating Robert Shriver, ex-football

31:18

player who survived Beauty Queen Murder

31:20

Plot exclusive. Savannah Chrisley

31:22

is one of the daughters of the Chrisleys, obviously, who

31:25

just got their jail sentence

31:28

a little bit reduced. Did you see

31:30

that? I did. So they are

31:31

gonna be out soon. This is one of their daughters who also

31:33

has like a bunch of podcasts and is like, was

31:36

on the show and blah, blah, blah, and is known for

31:38

that.

31:38

And just broke up with her long-term boyfriend,

31:41

her fiance, they bring it up for a long time.

31:43

Right, so guess who she's dating?

31:45

She is dating a like 2020 star, and

31:48

I mean just somebody who would be on 2020, whose

31:51

name is Robert Shriver, ex-wife

31:54

whose name is Lindsay, tried

31:56

to murder him, okay?

31:58

She tried to murder him.

31:59

The former beauty pageant queen and

32:02

Auburn University cheerleader from Thomasville, Georgia,

32:04

and her alleged boyfriend were accused of plotting

32:06

to kill Robert with an alleged hit

32:09

man. Him men are never real, girly.

32:11

They're always cops. Yeah.

32:14

Per the Bahamas court news, who reported

32:17

the story on July 28th, the trio were arrested

32:19

by police in the Bahamas, where

32:21

the former married couple shared a home. Law

32:23

enforcement made the arrest after discovering a chain

32:26

of WhatsApp messages owned by Facebook,

32:28

not very encrypted. Why would you use those? That

32:31

laid out the- I mean, you signal, you

32:33

dumbass, that laid out the plot

32:34

to kill

32:35

Robert while investigating a

32:37

July 16th break-in at Grabber's

32:40

Bar and Grill on Guana. The phone-contained

32:43

messages belonged to someone suspected of

32:45

the break-in. On July 16th, 2023,

32:48

the Atabaco, the defendants,

32:50

while being together, did with a common purpose

32:53

agree to commit an offense, namely the murder

32:55

of Robert

32:55

Shriver. Okay? And now,

32:58

that man, who was not murdered by

33:00

a hit man because his ex-wife was caught by

33:02

the police, WhatsApping a hit man or

33:04

whatever, is dating

33:06

Savannah Chrisley. I'm sorry. The

33:08

plan was concocted

33:11

two months ago.

33:13

They tried to kill him, they got caught, and

33:15

he said, I gotta find someone new, and he found a

33:17

Chrisley.

33:18

He literally rebounded

33:21

two months after almost being

33:22

murdered by his ex-wife. With a

33:24

Chrisley. With a Chrisley.

33:25

How do you even meet a Chrisley? This is so

33:28

crazy.

33:29

He works for an insurance company because people would like everything

33:31

to know about this man. Who was Savannah Chrisley's

33:34

boyfriend all about Robert Shriver? Do you want to hear the things?

33:36

Yeah, duh. Number

33:39

one, he works for an insurance company. Number

33:41

two, he played football at Auburn University. Number

33:44

three, he married Lindsay Shiver in 2007. Number

33:47

four, he survived an alleged murder for a higher

33:49

bond. Number five,

33:52

he's a dad. Number

33:54

six, he and Savannah were first linked

33:56

in September, 2023. When it was revealed that

33:58

his ex-wife was a hit man,

33:59

Call the call. I

34:02

can't.

34:02

And that's literally what she did. She

34:05

said this on Vile Files. Nick

34:07

Viles, Vile Files. I'm gonna play the

34:09

clip, but she goes, this guy that I'm talking

34:11

to, his wife just tried to kill him. It

34:14

was a thing. He's a normal person, and I love

34:16

it.

34:18

His wife tried to kill him. He's a normal

34:20

person. I love it. That's the funniest thing ever said

34:22

on any podcast. He's a normal person,

34:24

and I love it. Is there a clip somewhere? Or you

34:27

have to find it, I guess. Anyway, your current

34:29

boyfriend is a survivor of

34:31

a murder attempt?

34:32

It was a thing. Who is attempting to kill who?

34:35

I don't know. I don't know. So

34:36

he's a normie. He's a normal

34:38

person.

34:39

And I love it.

34:41

I am obsessed with

34:44

this.

34:45

And People magazine, the same place that's reporting

34:47

this, only on July 31st, only a month

34:50

ago or so, had

34:52

Beauty Queen accused applying to kill ex-Auburn

34:54

football player husband to police find WhatsApp

34:57

message. Do you think Savannah Chrisley saw this headline?

34:59

It was like,

35:00

so you think he's single? So you're

35:02

saying he's single.

35:06

How did you meet him? Instagram!

35:08

Who slid? Me! But how did you find

35:10

him on Instagram? He's headline? Yeah! And you're like

35:13

that man. So you saw the headline. You're

35:15

like, wow, he's hot. I'll find him on Instagram and

35:17

say, hey-o. Yeah. Is

35:20

that

35:20

the potential? I mean... Incredible.

35:23

Incredible.

35:24

Here's a great new phrase for dating. Gigi

35:26

Hadid and music producer Cole Bennett quote, mesh

35:28

really well, colon, quote, moving

35:31

in a romantic direction. Gigi

35:33

Hadid is moving in a romantic direction. This is

35:35

in quotes with music producer Cole Bennett, a

35:37

source exclusively reveals in the new. That's

35:40

not a revelation. That's not a revelation.

35:42

What the fuck does moving

35:45

in a romantic direction

35:47

mean? The way that these people speak,

35:50

moving... This is a quote from an

35:52

insider, a person

35:55

I assume, maybe AI, maybe chat GPT. They've

35:57

been friends for years. They've been playing coins.

36:00

about their status, but they mesh really well together.

36:03

How do you find Bennett refreshing? And the feeling is

36:05

apparently mutual. He lights up around her, second

36:07

source tells us. I wonder if I put in chat

36:09

Bt, like use source length, like pretend

36:12

like you're

36:12

a source. Like, I'll do it. Hold on.

36:14

Do you think chat Bt could speak in first language?

36:17

What should the print be?

36:18

Yeah, have it open. That's gonna be, I think that's gonna be hard.

36:21

What should the print be?

36:23

Write a three

36:26

paragraph story in the style

36:30

of like an us weekly magazine

36:32

source.

36:35

In which two anonymous

36:38

insider sources claim

36:41

Gigi Hadid, is

36:43

dating someone, what's this guy's name? Is dating

36:45

someone named Cole, a music producer

36:48

named Cole. Here

36:55

we go. Exclusive Gigi Hadid

36:57

secret love affair with music producer Cole. Hollywood's

37:00

hottest supermodel Gigi Hadid is rumored to be igniting

37:02

sparks with none other than a talented music producer named

37:04

Cole. According to two anonymous insiders who claim

37:06

to have the inside scoop on this burgeoning romance. Our

37:09

sources have revealed that the stunning runway sensation

37:11

and the music night show have been enjoying a low profile

37:13

love affair that's been kept under wraps until now, sending

37:15

shockwaves through the entertainment wild. Here we go.

37:18

One source close to the situation spilled the beans saying, quote

37:20

Gigi and Cole have been seeing each other for a while now.

37:23

They've been keeping it low key, enjoying breakfast dinners

37:25

and cozy

37:25

nights in. It's clear that they have a genuine

37:27

connection. That is perfect.

37:30

That is perfect. Yes,

37:32

it's the same.

37:33

This is so spot off.

37:34

I mean, to be fair, chat GPT does

37:37

learn from what's out there.

37:38

Yeah, they do.

37:39

But it really is just showing this is what's out there.

37:41

Like it is confirming what we're saying, which is like they

37:43

all say the same shit and it means nothing.

37:45

The other insider added, quote,

37:47

it's refreshing to see Gigi with someone from

37:49

a different part of the industry. They share

37:52

a passion for creativity and

37:54

their chemistry is electric. Yes,

37:57

yes, yes. Yep. That's

38:00

exactly perfect. What's next?

38:02

Who else is dating someone? And Colbin, there's

38:05

a lot of research here. Thank you for Timmy for doing this.

38:07

He's a very, very prolific music video director.

38:09

Name and music video.

38:11

Like Juice WRLD,

38:13

you know? Oh, okay. No,

38:15

I'm seeing Jack Harlow. I'm

38:17

seeing the kid, LaRoy.

38:18

I'm seeing Juice WRLD. It's cool.

38:20

I'm seeing Trippy Redd. I'm seeing Lil Durk.

38:23

All right, okay. I'm seeing Lil Yachty.

38:25

So he seems cool. He

38:27

directed Blinkway 2's edging music video.

38:30

I don't even remember that song. All right. No

38:32

one does. No one does. Lyrical Lemonade

38:34

is his website, lyricallemonade.com.

38:36

Daisy Edgar Jones. What did

38:38

our GFF call Daisy Edgar Jones

38:40

a couple of weeks ago? I have to.

38:42

Daisy and the Six,

38:45

he called her Daisy and the Six

38:47

Jones Girl or something.

38:50

I sent the trailer for the bike riders. I

38:52

said, I love Jeff Nichols so much. Comer

38:54

appears to be a sleigh. Same for Austin

38:57

and Tom. Where did this movie come from? This

38:59

looks so good. Our GFF goes,

39:02

that's Jodie Comer? I really thought this

39:04

was a Daisy, Six, Lily, Edgar and the Jones

39:06

one. And I said, Lily, Edgar and the

39:08

Jones. Daisy, Six, Lily, Edgar and the Jones.

39:11

Meanwhile, Lily and Daisy are

39:13

both not in Daisy and the, like those are

39:15

not women in that show.

39:16

That's Jodie Comer? I really thought this was

39:18

a Daisy, Six, Lily, Edgar and the Jones one.

39:21

He just thinks all women with

39:23

brown hair and bangs look alike, which is on

39:25

him. He needs

39:26

to reassess. Anyway,

39:28

Daisy, Six, Lily, Edgar and the Jones is now

39:30

dating someone named Ben Seed, who

39:33

used to date Anya Taylor.

39:34

Anya Taylor Joy. Who's another Daisy,

39:36

Edgar and the Six Jones? Well, no, she's, Anya

39:39

Taylor Joy has a very distinct name. No, Anya

39:41

Taylor Joy. Her name is Anya Taylor Joy.

39:43

And we're talking about Daisy, Edgar Jones. And I have to

39:45

say, if you're just saying those names to me, I'm

39:48

not,

39:49

I'm sorry. If some publisher,

39:51

some children's book publisher made a Where's Waldo-esque

39:54

update, but it was Where's Anya, every good would be like,

39:56

founder, founder, founder, founder, founder,

39:58

founder, founder.

39:59

Yeah, big eyes. Listen,

40:02

this is so funny. So she's dating this guy named Ben

40:04

Seed, which is just a funny name. They're like,

40:06

just objectively like Ben Seed. Okay.

40:08

And the son wrote about it, and they

40:11

wrote about it in first person because

40:13

it's fun. I'm told Daisy

40:15

and Ben, who goes by the artist named Pip,

40:17

have been seeing each other for months and have been spotted

40:20

on a string of dates in East London, where they both

40:22

live. You're telling me a guy who goes by Pip lives

40:24

in East London? Shocking.

40:25

You're telling me a guy who goes by Pip lives

40:27

in East London and is dating a woman named Daisy?

40:29

There is a real spark, and they are excited about

40:32

finding each other. They've already met one

40:34

another's friends, and she's on cloud nine.

40:36

Another great source quote.

40:38

Great source quote.

40:40

Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are quietly

40:42

hanging out, according to a source.

40:44

This is an exclusive from The Messenger.

40:46

She's definitely a them, and he is like actually

40:49

vaguely a them,

40:49

him and his brother, For sure.

40:52

For sure he's a football them. There were all these articles

40:54

about them, and blah, blah, blah. I don't know which

40:56

one is which. There's a brother, there's

40:58

Jason and Travis, and they're both Kelsey.

41:01

I think he's a who in the Swift

41:03

universe. He's not the type of

41:05

guy that she typically dates.

41:07

No, no, I was gonna say, how does it feel

41:09

that we finally maybe entered Taylor Swift's

41:11

dating a sports person era?

41:14

That I think that's huge for the kind

41:16

of celebrity world. If she's indeed

41:19

dating a sports player, that's a big deal.

41:21

A sports star, a sports player, a sports

41:23

star.

41:24

Now that Taylor is at her most

41:27

aggressively capitalistic and money-making

41:29

era, where she's trying to squeeze as many pennies as she

41:31

can out of everything.

41:32

She's also in her most single out in

41:34

the town, I'm going to the club with Blake Lively

41:36

era, which is like, we didn't think we'd ever see that again.

41:38

It's very welcome to New York, Cornelia

41:40

Street. We didn't think we'd see it.

41:42

It's hard for me not to be cynical to this

41:44

sort of decision, because to me I'm like, I

41:46

see every decision that she's making as a financial

41:48

one, and as a very calculated one, where it's like,

41:51

okay, now she's smart. Now she's finally

41:53

expanding her empire. Like she's going to sports.

41:56

What's another audience I can attract? Oh,

41:58

you think she's trying to buy SPN?

41:59

the map alone II know what he's trying to find yeah

42:02

and I know I know they're for sale though the

42:06

oh I know oh I know you

42:08

know that ESPN what are they Lindsay

42:10

what are they gonna do with the I what are they I was gonna

42:12

buy so I was gonna buy ESPN but I

42:14

bought the Katy Perry discography instead

42:17

me waking up at the middle of the night being like

42:19

it's Tyler Perry gonna buy BET like oh

42:21

my god is he gonna do it who's gonna take ESPN

42:23

off of Disney's hands from the ringer and fuck I'm

42:26

Matt Bellany and this is the town

42:27

okay so Taylor Swift

42:29

is in her sports star era it's

42:32

giving a little bit glitz of getting a little glamour I

42:34

do think it's interesting if she dates this like big

42:37

personality sports guy that's

42:39

very different than her last you know she dated

42:42

like I'm gonna have a no one Daisy Edgar Jones actor

42:44

you know well

42:45

well she dated no between

42:47

the between Daisy Edgar Jones and Travis

42:50

Kelsey she dated Mattie Healy which was a whole problem

42:52

of course and she was like I think that was triggering for

42:54

I think she was like I can't date one of these guys

42:57

I can't say one of these guys

42:58

I got to date the opposite guy who

43:00

is like a very flashy

43:02

very public very front-facing

43:05

and media trained sports person

43:07

and not like alt

43:08

I do like this because Timmy said I

43:10

know you guys aren't paying attention this stuff

43:12

but sports season is back football oh my

43:14

god I need something sports

43:15

football season is back this is a specific

43:17

sport and just Jared

43:20

and the other

43:20

kind of traffickers and click

43:22

click traffic are going to hear it on the other traffickers

43:25

I mean like I mean

43:28

like web traffic no I know I know you're

43:30

going fucking crazy with the headlines

43:32

so then you're getting like who is Jimmy

43:35

Garoppolo's girlfriend who is Mack Jones

43:37

girlfriend I keep

43:40

calling him Kelsey Travis because that's like the name

43:42

of a normal country star not Travis Kelsey

43:45

like Travis Kelsey spelled K on a name

43:48

in case you're not a sports player

43:49

but whatever who is Dak

43:51

Prescott's wife

43:52

who is Jimmy Garoppolo's girlfriend

43:54

dating history and current girlfriend revealed including

43:57

an adult film star it's like like

43:59

it must be bad out here for publishers. They're trying so

44:01

hard to get clicks and attention. They're trying to get so hard

44:03

to get like Google visibility. It's such

44:06

a disaster. This reminds me of another

44:08

trend that I've noticed on specifically Just Jared and

44:10

I moved this up from the bottom because

44:12

I think it's a great

44:14

segue from Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift.

44:16

First

44:16

of all, we didn't finish that. Do you think they're actually dating or

44:18

do you think it's fake? I think they must be dating. I don't think that comes

44:20

out unless it's real. I think she dates and I think they've been on

44:22

dates.

44:23

Yeah,

44:25

that's perfect. What is dating? Like I

44:27

don't know are they gonna be in a relationship?

44:30

Maybe but do I think they're in

44:32

one? I don't know but do I think they've gone

44:34

out for sure? Yeah.

44:35

He's like a hot single guy who's

44:37

like made comments about wanting

44:39

to date her. She definitely slid in the DMs

44:42

or had Tree send him a telegram

44:44

or something. I hand-delivered that said like,

44:46

I'll fuck you. You know what I mean? Like sure. You

44:49

saw her at the VMAs. She's definitely

44:51

fucking a hot football player.

44:53

Definitely sent like

44:56

a big contract and was like fill out all these forms,

44:58

get it back to my lawyer by the end of the week and

45:00

then we can fuck somewhere TBD. And

45:02

let's do it before the VMA so I can be

45:05

like a happy bitch and she

45:07

was. I love

45:08

the

45:10

video

45:11

of her dancing and I saw something

45:13

where it's like I'd know that Clunchjaw anywhere or

45:16

something. So

45:21

the headline construction of these

45:23

football people, these sports people,

45:25

who is the girlfriend? He's dating

45:28

Anna Gore. Who is the girlfriend? He's dating Sarah Jane Ramos.

45:31

I'm just seeing a new construction that feels very

45:33

SEO tinged.

45:36

They ask and answer the question at the same time.

45:38

Typically you ask the question in the headline and then you

45:40

answer it in the body and you want the headline to entice

45:43

you to click. In this one it says, is

45:45

Peter Port single or married? Question mark.

45:48

Meet his husband Jacob Jules Villare.

45:50

Next one that I saw is Marcus Rosner

45:52

married?

45:53

Meet the Hallmark stars wife, Ali Kroker.

45:56

So I'm almost like why are they doing

45:58

this? Why are they asking and answering the question?

45:59

in the same space, I'm losing my

46:02

desire to click, but they must know something that

46:04

we don't.

46:05

Every time I see insane headline construction,

46:07

I think they must perform well, right?

46:09

I think they're just seeing people typing, is

46:11

Peter Port single or married?

46:12

Yeah, probably.

46:14

It's the snake eating its own tail thing

46:16

where it's like you optimize your

46:19

search results for Google SEO. Google

46:21

SEO starts using artificial intelligence

46:23

or machine learning

46:25

to add those suggested questions

46:27

and follow up to the bottom. Then people start clicking

46:30

those. Then people like just Jared realize

46:32

that those questions are fucking,

46:35

dark, ugly, whole

46:38

of shit. It was

46:40

nothing, it was dirty, and there

46:42

was a toilet inside, very,

46:45

very ugly, and it was no

46:47

light, you could not have daylight. And

46:49

then after three hours, somebody

46:52

came very rude, said, oh, come

46:54

with me. And there was another one,

46:56

so they took me in the car, in

46:59

a Volkswagen boost, covered, and

47:01

they brought me the prison. He was in

47:03

shock as he was processed into prison. And

47:06

there was a kind of system

47:09

where you come there, you

47:11

have your clothes, take off your clothes,

47:14

neck it, show us

47:16

your penis, you have to

47:18

show your open, your hooden,

47:22

you show turn

47:24

around, they look in your ass to

47:26

see if you have drugs inside. So

47:29

it's awful. And

47:32

then they said, here's your clothes

47:35

from the prison. I got the prison

47:37

clothes for a moment, dark blue gray,

47:40

and very big size,

47:44

I forget it. So it was really

47:46

terrible. And then they brought

47:48

me in a cell.

47:51

Germany's most famous art dealer, the

47:53

man who threw 400 person parties, who

47:55

was the life of the party, who for decades

47:58

lived for international gallows and glamor. The farmer was

48:01

now alone, completely

48:03

alone. Alone in a

48:05

jail cell, barely wide enough for a single

48:07

bed and a small desk. No

48:10

television, no radio. Alone

48:13

with his thoughts.

48:14

I was also thinking sometimes

48:16

to kill myself because

48:18

I was frightened of the future.

48:27

You're listening to Camellia from

48:29

Campside Media.

48:31

In late 2007, the

48:34

remains of a young woman from the Kaska

48:36

Nation were discovered in the Yukon

48:38

Woods.

48:39

I always think about, I

48:41

want to know what really happened. So

48:44

I travel north to try to understand

48:46

what happened and who was

48:48

involved. It's a pretty big risk

48:50

to come forward with the information that I have.

48:53

I'm David Rijan and this is Someone Knows Something,

48:56

Season 8, the Angel Carla

48:58

Case. Available now.

49:15

You're

49:19

listening to Camellia from Campside Media.

49:39

We're now, I

49:40

think, going in the

49:42

right direction. You are over

49:44

the speed limit. Shut up. It looks

49:46

like 31 kilometers to

49:48

go.

49:59

called Build Your Dream.

50:02

For me, it was love at first

50:05

acceleration. Ooh, baby.

50:06

Oh,

50:09

I want to go so fast.

50:12

Mac named our SUV Bertie. I

50:14

drove Bertie through Düsseldorf and onto the Autobahn,

50:17

headed for Essen. Today,

50:20

the weather's good, so it takes us about 20 minutes.

50:23

Düsseldorf is now a

50:25

nice, clean, and bougie place with

50:27

plenty of restaurants, bars, and galleries. Including

50:30

one owned by Helga's son, David Achaembach.

50:33

Klaus Futtinger told us that after the war,

50:36

the city was rebuilt into a kind of bohemian

50:38

paradise. A lot of buildings

50:40

were destroyed in the Second World War,

50:43

so it was a good place

50:45

to concentrate and think

50:48

about the essentials. On some social

50:51

hangouts like Rathen Gohof or

50:54

other interesting places,

50:56

there were also

50:57

the musicians and the artists

50:59

were out then.

51:01

The Art Academy, where Helga met Klaus,

51:03

Gerhard Richter, and many other artists

51:05

who would go on to have brilliant careers, was

51:08

an important place for the global art scene.

51:11

The art world was quite small at those

51:13

times, let's say in New York, at

51:15

Düsseldorf Cologne, and in

51:17

London. So the Art

51:19

Academy was kind of a light tower for

51:22

many artists and also

51:24

the teachers there. But of course,

51:26

Helga is a long way from those days

51:29

now. His downfall

51:31

began that morning when he arrived at the Düsseldorf

51:33

airport and was arrested. And

51:35

it accelerated on December 9, 2014, when

51:39

he entered the courtroom for the first time to

51:41

face charges of fraud and embezzlement.

51:44

The journalist Tobias Timm attended the trial

51:47

and described what Helga looked like that day in his book

51:49

Art and Crime. Timm

51:51

wrote that he was pale, almost reserved.

51:54

Helga had lost so much weight in prison that his fitted

51:57

suit now sagged on him. He

52:00

was joined by an unnamed codefendant, a

52:02

former insurance executive. They

52:05

faced three judges and two jurors who

52:07

sat at the front of the room.

52:10

The trial of one of Germany's biggest art

52:12

stars had captivated the country. And

52:15

on that first morning, the room was packed.

52:18

The media swarmed.

52:19

You couldn't avoid it. There

52:22

was so much coverage of this court

52:25

case in the media. You

52:26

wouldn't believe it. That's Markus Eisenbeis,

52:29

the head of the Van Ham auction house you heard from

52:31

in episode one. You know, we have something

52:34

like the Financial Times in Germany. It's

52:36

called the Hamdelslacht. And

52:38

there was this six full-page

52:41

story just about Aachenbach,

52:43

about what he has done, about his story,

52:46

about the court case. It

52:49

was so present in the

52:51

media. It was incredible. It was

52:53

kind of like

52:56

a crime series in

52:58

itself, because on every day the trial happened,

53:03

there was a new constellation,

53:05

new witnesses, a new kind

53:08

of picture

53:08

of Helge's life and

53:11

how he acted in

53:13

the art market. For Tobias Timm,

53:16

the drama of the trial felt like great fiction.

53:19

But it was all too real for Helge. He

53:22

remembers seeing many familiar faces in the crowd.

53:24

Family, friends,

53:28

critics, art critics, numbers.

53:30

It was full. Every day it was full. Some

53:33

of Helge's former friends and associates would

53:35

testify against him, including

53:37

the artist Tony Cragg and the man Helge

53:39

had hired just before his arrest, the

53:42

man who had blown the whistle,

53:43

Thomas Kelline.

53:45

Almost immediately, the stress of the trial

53:48

got to Helge. So every day

53:50

you go there and you have this audience

53:53

and they are nosy and watch

53:56

you. It was so terrible.

53:59

My lawyer said...

53:59

Don't say anything

54:02

They want to give you ten years. They would

54:04

love to give you ten years In

54:06

essence Mac and I meet our interpreter Minu

54:09

outside the boxy putty colored building

54:11

where the state prosecutor has her office After

54:15

some confusion at the security desk were let

54:17

in greeted by the head of PR The

54:20

PR woman leads us to a well-lit library

54:22

lined with shelves thick with leather bound books

54:25

The prosecutor who brought the case against Helga is

54:28

waiting for us Oh Bijon

54:33

Nice to meet you Valeria Sontag

54:35

was born in st. Petersburg, Russia and

54:37

lived there until she was 15 She

54:40

studied law at a university near Essen

54:42

and has worked as an essence state prosecutor since 2010

54:45

In almost

54:47

every way possible Sontag, which

54:50

is how she introduced herself Just a single

54:52

name is the exact

54:54

opposite of Helga Akhenbach She's

54:57

as thin as a long-distance runner wears

54:59

her hair pulled neatly into a ponytail and

55:02

only laughs when absolutely necessary

55:05

Based on her answers to our questions Sontag

55:08

unlike Helga is definitely

55:10

into the whole brevity thing

55:13

Like when I asked her while making small

55:15

talk what she does for fun These

55:17

are really good at attracting clickers So

55:20

they start styling their stuff in the form

55:22

of those Google machine learning questions

55:25

I'm just like everything you know becoming dumber

55:27

and dumber and dumber and like English is disintegrating

55:30

By the way It has previously been reported that Jacob

55:33

is a banker and is locked in through my count implies that he

55:35

was previously based in New Orleans before moving to

55:37

Los Angeles

55:38

Oh, I bolded that that's my favorite sentence read

55:40

it again. I want to hear it again It's such a good sentence It

55:42

has

55:42

been reported that Jacob is a banker

55:45

and his locked Instagram account implies

55:47

that he was previously based in New Orleans before

55:49

moving to do, Los Angeles

55:50

It says the locked Instagram account implies

55:53

that he was previously based in New Orleans before moving

55:55

to Los Angeles What would you put in

55:57

an Instagram account that would imply that what?

55:59

you think his bio says?

56:02

Like New Orleans plane emoji Los

56:04

Angeles.

56:05

Close. From

56:07

parentheses NO LA to

56:09

just LA. From NOLA to

56:11

LA. See? There you go. Wow that

56:13

does imply that he previously lived in New Orleans and now

56:15

lives in Los Angeles. There's an implication

56:17

there. That is a hell of an implication.

56:19

I'm no Agatha Christie but that's an implication.

56:22

Honey. I want to be famous.

56:25

I want to

56:27

be famous.

56:27

Here's the headline. Joe Manginello

56:30

casually dating new actress Boo after

56:32

divorce from Sofia. Who

56:34

is she? She's an actress who's on...

56:36

She's on a winning

56:38

time. She's

56:40

on the sports show that everyone loves that I haven't

56:42

watched. Oh it got cancelled? Good. I

56:44

don't have to regret not watching it. I

56:47

don't know that I've ever seen this before. They're

56:49

pointing at the age difference between her

56:52

and Sophia Vergara.

56:54

So this headline says Sophia Vergara's ex

56:56

Joe Manginello 46 leaves the gym

56:58

with actress Kate Little Connor 33 who is 18

57:01

years younger than the modern family siren. 18

57:03

years. He

57:05

dated a woman older than he is now he dated a

57:07

woman younger than he is.

57:08

It is I have to say it is say

57:10

after dating a woman who's older than you to

57:12

divorce her and then immediately date a woman who's 18 years

57:15

younger than you. Yeah.

57:16

There's a whole span of years in between 33

57:18

and

57:19

however old Sofia Vergara is

57:21

you know. There's a whole span

57:24

of years. So this

57:26

divorce actually surprised me because there's

57:28

like... No I

57:28

did you see my RT? I was like so

57:30

sad. First of all I retweeted

57:33

it so fast that I was scared that somebody

57:35

did something

57:35

wrong and it like wasn't like I shouldn't have.

57:38

Like

57:38

that's how fast... No that was just more like

57:41

I ignored my impulse

57:43

to kind of wait and see why. I didn't even click until

57:45

before I... I'd retweeted before I

57:47

clicked you know. Oh that's how kind

57:49

of like... That's a dangerous game to play. Re-tweeting

57:51

before

57:51

I clicked. No I felt bad.

57:53

I know trust me. You know the browser's like you sure you

57:56

don't want to read the article and you're like bitch no. Wait.

58:00

We didn't even say what happened. Jeezy filed for divorce

58:02

from Jeannie Mai.

58:03

They were married for two years.

58:05

That's so

58:07

sad. Jeezy's filing says the

58:09

former couple are quote, currently living in a bona

58:11

fide state of separation and that

58:13

their marriage is irretrievably broken

58:16

with quote, no hope for reconciliation.

58:19

But it doesn't say, so Jeezy

58:21

did the filing and I think the implication would

58:24

be that since he did the filing and the documents

58:26

say there's no hope for reconciliation, that

58:28

Jeannie did something wrong. But I don't know that you

58:31

can actually, I'm not willing to jump that

58:33

far just because I feel like I'm very team Jeannie.

58:35

I do feel like that's what you'd

58:37

think but I don't think that's always

58:39

the case.

58:40

It feels like a race to who's gonna file first

58:43

for that reason too.

58:43

The divorce is final and he posts this on

58:46

Instagram. It's him posing in front of this nice car,

58:48

looking good.

58:50

Ring

58:51

on the finger. He's distinctly

58:53

displaying his left hand.

58:55

And it says to focus on who

58:57

I'm becoming to focus on who's

58:59

not coming with me. It's

59:02

truly a Rorschach test. Like this, he's

59:04

displaying the wedding ring.

59:06

Yeah, why would you wear the wedding ring and

59:09

the message is so shady?

59:12

Maybe he fucked up and he was trying to say, I

59:14

still love you despite the fact that you're not coming with me

59:16

or it's fuck you. I'm

59:18

not taking you in my new car. Right, what does

59:20

that even mean? But the fact that he's flashing

59:23

the ring is so weird.

59:25

We're so eagle-eyed towards

59:27

looking for rings in this day and age, wedding

59:29

rings, engagement rings.

59:30

Also, the

59:32

caption was edited.

59:34

What did it say before? We

59:36

don't know. I don't know, we don't know, we don't know.

59:40

We don't know.

59:42

The top comment from just a fan

59:44

is, this caption is crazy now after

59:47

I'm reading the headlines and I feel as crazy as this

59:49

person.

59:49

Well, everyone's like, I hope they can make it work.

59:52

They

59:52

are very hopeful.

59:55

Well, I was like, did she talk about it on Hello Honey,

59:57

my favorite YouTube account, genie my vlog.

59:59

Hello Honey. Hello Hun Nai! Hello

1:00:03

Hun Nai has not been updated in two months. No.

1:00:05

But listen to the most

1:00:07

recent three videos. They could

1:00:09

tell a story. I took my

1:00:11

husband to Vietnam and you won't believe what happened next.

1:00:14

Next one. My husband and I live like locals in Vietnam.

1:00:17

Most recent video.

1:00:18

How Vietnam changed my life forever. Parentheses

1:00:21

gets emotional.

1:00:23

Did something happen in Vietnam?

1:00:24

I mean maybe. I saw a tweet.

1:00:27

I don't want to put this out here but it did make me laugh. But

1:00:29

there is a rumor going

1:00:32

around that is not at all verified. Oh no.

1:00:35

Did you hear the rumor that she was sexting

1:00:37

Mario Lopez? Oh fuck I did! I forgot! You

1:00:40

told me that last night and I said don't text me about Mario

1:00:42

Lopez sexting anyone. Ew. Ew.

1:00:45

But I also don't. It's so so

1:00:47

so so so so unverified. It's literally

1:00:49

just tweets on Twitter. I think

1:00:52

it might be somebody making a joke

1:00:54

about videos of them hosting. Because

1:00:56

they do like I think she hosts co-hosted

1:00:58

some Access Hollywood type thing with him. And they

1:01:01

were having like little moments. But not even anything

1:01:03

just normal like where to co-workers

1:01:06

like being in entertainment moments. I think people

1:01:08

were kind of being all shady about it. So

1:01:10

I tried to find more out about it

1:01:13

but then I was like I was like there's not enough

1:01:15

here to even say this. So I

1:01:17

take it back.

1:01:18

I take it back. I cannot think of Mario

1:01:20

Lopez sexting anyone like he's too presenter

1:01:22

brain. I can't think about that type of vibe.

1:01:25

Can you imagine Regis Philbin texting someone like oh.

1:01:28

I'm

1:01:28

sorry if your job is to say welcome to Access

1:01:30

Hollywood like I don't want to know how you like I

1:01:33

don't know how you're sexy via text like I can't

1:01:35

I can't hear it. Mario Lopez is still pretty sexy.

1:01:38

No I know he is. But he's still pretty sexy.

1:01:41

The cheesiness of hosting extra I think

1:01:43

negates any sexiness that exists. And I'm

1:01:45

concerned about in what way you are

1:01:47

sexy if your job is to be that type of

1:01:49

guy. And how that sort of like seeps into

1:01:52

your DNA your texting DNA.

1:01:54

I will be sending you a dick pic and you

1:01:56

will be loving it. like

1:02:00

some sort of like really weird picture of my dick

1:02:03

is incoming like how do you sex as

1:02:05

a host that's what I'm asking

1:02:07

and I don't know but I don't think it's gonna be good

1:02:09

genie's like thanks Mario now we've

1:02:11

got a report on my tits

1:02:13

now that you've seen my dick let's

1:02:15

take it back to your tits

1:02:17

genie like no

1:02:20

not good and they're both sort of host

1:02:22

vibes anyway

1:02:26

moving on Zoe so's and Alfie days

1:02:28

are I

1:02:30

I don't care about this at all actually

1:02:32

no one no I don't care they're engaged we

1:02:34

talked about them

1:02:35

listen the one-two punch of Jeezy

1:02:37

and genie and then Hugh Jackman and Debra

1:02:40

Lee furnace and breaking up like it

1:02:42

was like actually painful to

1:02:44

watch

1:02:44

that unfold like it it's enough Tiana

1:02:47

and Iman is sort of like okay

1:02:50

they're being like they're being pros they're being so

1:02:52

nice to each other they just like grew apart and their co-parenting

1:02:54

seems very positive genie and Jeezy it's sort of

1:02:56

like something happened or what happened here

1:02:59

Hugh and Debra Lee

1:03:00

you have a couple that just broke up

1:03:03

and something seems wrong you have a couple that says they

1:03:05

broke up a while ago and clearly have been through it and the statement

1:03:07

is on point and it's very like established then

1:03:09

you have a couple that have had this word

1:03:12

it have had 20

1:03:13

years of being like we love each other we love

1:03:16

each other so much almost 30 years

1:03:18

of it like how dare you we love each other yeah

1:03:21

yeah but then when I saw this detail

1:03:24

I was because all Debra Lee furnace Debra Lee furnace

1:03:26

her full-time job is saying my husband's not gay

1:03:28

that's all she does that's her number one job

1:03:31

and I I think that must suck

1:03:33

right she does charity work but when

1:03:35

I saw this detail I was like everything makes

1:03:37

sense I have no further questions your honor case

1:03:40

closed they have two kids one

1:03:42

of them is what 23 the other

1:03:44

one

1:03:45

is 18

1:03:46

this is the most stay together for the kids shit

1:03:48

I've ever seen in my entire life

1:03:50

I mean the fact that the kid turned 18

1:03:52

and they got

1:03:53

they immediately bye-bye

1:03:54

but I do think it is strange because only

1:03:56

like a few months ago they gave their like

1:03:59

Second kind of big moment

1:04:01

where she says like he's not gay if he was

1:04:03

gay he would be dating Tom Cruise Or

1:04:06

I would be dating Tom

1:04:06

Cruise. Sorry. What was the quote? I'm so rude. Hold

1:04:09

on, hold on. If he were gay he'd be gay He'd be dating

1:04:11

anyone. He'd be dating Brad Pitt.

1:04:12

She said he's been gay for whatever I

1:04:14

mean hello guy because she's saying he's been called

1:04:17

gay for what for so many years I mean hello

1:04:19

guys if he was gay he could be gay She said he

1:04:21

wouldn't have to hide in the closet anymore and he'd be dating Brad

1:04:24

Pitt or whatever I love it. She just called Brad Pitt gay.

1:04:26

Not that Brad's gay, but you know what I'm saying?

1:04:28

Not that Brad's gay

1:04:29

And that was not the first time years

1:04:32

ago in his 60 minutes joint interview

1:04:34

They were asked if he was gay and she said if he was gay fine,

1:04:36

he would say he's gay. It's gotten so out of whack

1:04:39

It's stupid. Yeah, it's annoying because it's not

1:04:41

true and he said if I were gay I would be to

1:04:43

me. It's not the most interesting about a person. I

1:04:45

do get frustrated for Deb

1:04:47

That was the original

1:04:48

but do you think Ben is back?

1:04:49

I think whether or not Ben is back is entirely

1:04:52

irrelevant in the situation

1:04:54

Yeah I agree

1:04:55

as someone who's like very and I

1:04:57

hate talking about Ben is backness publicly But

1:04:59

like privately of course I do like thinking about

1:05:01

it Like it just feels sort of icky to talk about it publicly,

1:05:04

but I know you really lying Yeah,

1:05:06

that you're not Ben is back in private. Yeah,

1:05:09

I'd be lying if I I'd be lying if I said I don't Ben is

1:05:11

back generally in private.

1:05:12

No, and I appreciate that honesty

1:05:13

I just think this is just so this

1:05:16

is just seems so clear to me and like everyone's

1:05:18

shocked But who who said it was it you or

1:05:20

you were Steven? Who said something

1:05:23

like the moment this released it was like prepare

1:05:25

yourselves for like the most disgusting tweets

1:05:28

incoming and they were so

1:05:32

It's not only nasty,

1:05:34

but it's boring

1:05:35

it's boring. Yeah, do

1:05:37

we care about

1:05:38

Tom Sandoval dating someone? No, no Do

1:05:41

we care about Eric Lemon Ides and

1:05:43

Lee Felty dating?

1:05:45

What if he's a he's a restaurant

1:05:48

group owner?

1:05:49

Mm-hmm, and he and he married

1:05:51

his agent.

1:05:51

It's an extravagant Hamptons

1:05:54

wedding attended by Don Lemon Joy Behar

1:05:56

and Huma Abadine had a flash mob drone

1:05:59

show

1:05:59

And can you guess the final thing that's in the spotlight?

1:06:03

Extravagant Hamptons wedding attended by Dawn

1:06:05

Lemon, Joy Behar and Huma Havidin had a flash

1:06:07

mob drone show and

1:06:10

fill in the blank.

1:06:12

You took too long Debbie Gibson, Debbie Gibson. The

1:06:15

drone show that played like over Lady Gaga

1:06:17

said when she was like, and liberty and justice went

1:06:21

over their house and the Hamptons and it said love

1:06:23

wins.

1:06:23

I have an announcement. I have it. I have

1:06:25

the hiccup.

1:06:26

So I need me to read it

1:06:28

to read it then.

1:06:31

What was she wearing? Where

1:06:34

was she seen? She

1:06:36

posted what? On Instagram.

1:06:39

She's a who queen.

1:06:40

And the people

1:06:43

want to know all

1:06:46

about the number

1:06:49

one who. Please, anybody,

1:06:52

tell us how.

1:06:55

What's Rita Ora up to?

1:06:58

Who is this woman? Rita's going to be on

1:07:01

Watch What Happens Live tomorrow. Who's she

1:07:03

going to be with? That's right. Diplo. Yikes. I'm

1:07:05

going to watch the energy between Rita Ora and Diplo

1:07:07

is going to be electric. And Andy Cohen is going to be like, we're having

1:07:09

a free sum after this. I hundred percent. Are

1:07:11

you kidding for some? You forgot about Taika. He's

1:07:13

not invited.

1:07:16

He's not invited.

1:07:17

Andy Redo is hot. And if Andy doesn't if

1:07:20

Andy doesn't

1:07:20

propose they hang out after, that's a huge loss

1:07:22

for him. And I would be disappointed.

1:07:24

That's a huge slay. Rita

1:07:27

Ora, she also put on a glamorous. I mean, she's in New

1:07:29

York City. That's the thing. She's in New York City. And

1:07:31

what I would the only thing I don't love about this is

1:07:33

that Watch

1:07:34

What Happens Live, which is not a WGA show,

1:07:39

shaved. Shaved. Already

1:07:41

filmed this stuff.

1:07:42

So

1:07:43

you're saying it's already filmed? These are already these

1:07:46

are canned?

1:07:46

The episode exists. So

1:07:48

a friend of ours, a mutual friend of ours

1:07:50

has a conspiracy about Rita. She thinks Rita has

1:07:53

a body double. She says the woman can't possibly be

1:07:55

all these places. And I was like, this is literally her number

1:07:57

one thing is being all these places. I think that's a

1:07:59

bad conspiracy.

1:07:59

I think I know what you're talking about, and I think that's about conspiracy. Rita's

1:08:02

whole thing is being everywhere all the time.

1:08:05

Okay, so I encountered

1:08:07

some Rita Ora news like live in person

1:08:09

this week. I was on my

1:08:11

way up to the cursed Alamo Drafthouse

1:08:13

at your favorite and my least favorite

1:08:16

in downtown Brooklyn. Riding up

1:08:18

the escalators, and I'm like,

1:08:21

oh, I can't believe I'm here, da-da-da. You

1:08:23

have like five escalators.

1:08:24

Five escalators, and on my way

1:08:26

up, guess what store is in the

1:08:28

mall where Alamo Drafthouse?

1:08:30

Yeah, it used to be a Century 21, yeah.

1:08:32

And guess what I saw? The Rita

1:08:34

Ora signage. And I stopped it and I cried. Oh, you saw it in person.

1:08:37

And I said, what?

1:08:39

Huh, who? And

1:08:41

then I realized

1:08:42

Rita Ora was doing a Primark

1:08:44

collaboration. Did you buy some product?

1:08:46

No, it's not out yet.

1:08:48

Oh, it's not out yet? Okay, I thought it was already out.

1:08:50

It was

1:08:50

like they were setting up to put it in stores.

1:08:52

At first I was like, oh, it's gonna be

1:08:54

like, what is it, like a scent? Is it a fragrance? Is it something,

1:08:56

but it's like, no, it's a clothes.

1:08:58

No, it's a fashion collab. Rita

1:09:00

Ora and Primark, from loyal customer,

1:09:02

Mela Well, to global brand

1:09:04

partner. Primark joins voices with Rita Ora for

1:09:06

new fashion collaboration. They wrote,

1:09:08

the director of future trends and innovation at

1:09:11

Primark, great job, wrote,

1:09:12

in a world of collaboration

1:09:14

overload, it's more important than ever for

1:09:16

brand partnerships to be rooted in genuine

1:09:19

authenticity and connection. We've

1:09:21

known Rita to be a Primark fan for a long

1:09:23

time, but it was only when we ran into her almost two years

1:09:25

ago and got chatting. Who is this, Primark,

1:09:28

him? The brand? That we

1:09:30

realized the extent of our love for the brand. Yeah, I

1:09:32

bet you did. She loves to sell herself,

1:09:35

to do shit like this. The instant chemistry

1:09:37

between both parties was undeniable. Rita

1:09:39

and the clothes. And today, following months

1:09:41

of collaboration,

1:09:42

I'm so proud to be revealing

1:09:44

Rita Ora X Primark. Bringing together

1:09:46

the best of Primark and Rita. I

1:09:48

hope the collection allows customers to express

1:09:51

their- Again? I like to read and I like

1:09:53

to travel.

1:09:53

SunTog

1:09:56

is no more expansive when it comes to discussing

1:09:59

Helga's trial.

1:10:00

I

1:10:02

didn't feel too many emotions.

1:10:04

I was assigned the case and I got straight

1:10:06

to work. I asked myself

1:10:09

how can we argue this case and how can

1:10:11

we get to an appropriate

1:10:13

result.

1:10:14

For Suntag, this was not a complicated

1:10:16

case, even though it was also

1:10:19

her first high-profile

1:10:20

case.

1:10:21

I first heard of him when he was

1:10:23

sued by Mr. Eilricht.

1:10:26

And at the beginning, the case seemed completely

1:10:28

normal. The only unusual thing

1:10:30

was the amount of

1:10:32

money that was involved.

1:10:34

She treated Helge as she would anyone

1:10:37

else in her courtroom. When I got

1:10:40

the case

1:10:40

assigned, I wasn't aware how

1:10:43

famous Mr. Aachenbach was in

1:10:46

his industry. Throughout

1:10:49

the prosecution, I

1:10:51

just

1:10:52

saw him as a suspect. He

1:10:54

was someone who took advantage

1:10:57

of a good opportunity for

1:10:59

him to make

1:11:01

money. And in that case, he

1:11:03

was

1:11:04

a suspect to me, like any

1:11:06

other suspect. Helge's forged invoices,

1:11:08

his collages, were the primary

1:11:11

pieces of evidence in the case. And

1:11:13

then there was something that happened on the second day of

1:11:15

the trial.

1:11:16

Mr. Aachenbach confessed. I

1:11:20

can't say for sure how much of that was

1:11:23

also his way

1:11:25

of getting as little damage as possible,

1:11:27

how much of it was methodical. I

1:11:30

think the evidence was very clear-cut

1:11:32

and there was no way of denying so that

1:11:34

in the end the confession was necessary.

1:11:37

We asked Sontag

1:11:39

about the key to Helge's defense,

1:11:41

the claim of the buyback clause, the 4%

1:11:44

guarantee for Berthold.

1:11:46

There was no proof of

1:11:48

these buyback clauses, and

1:11:51

there was no evidence that he could

1:11:53

actually economically afford that at

1:11:55

all. It wasn't really meant seriously.

1:11:58

It was more to protect

1:12:00

And we asked who gave the most damning testimony.

1:12:03

The most important witness statement

1:12:05

was surely Mrs. Albrecht.

1:12:07

Before

1:12:09

saying goodbye to Valeria Sontag, there

1:12:12

was one last thing I was curious about. Do you

1:12:14

buy art?

1:12:15

I do like art indeed, and I do

1:12:18

have some art pieces at home. But

1:12:20

I buy them because I like them and not because

1:12:22

they have a high value.

1:12:31

You're listening to Camelia from

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Infamous is a podcast about the biggest

1:12:37

scandals of the rich and famous. From

1:12:40

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1:12:42

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1:13:16

After a four-month trial, Helga was

1:13:18

found guilty on 18 charges

1:13:21

of fraud. He was sentenced

1:13:23

to six years in jail and ordered

1:13:25

to pay by Bet Albrecht 19.4 million euros. Helga

1:13:30

cried in the courtroom and told the judges

1:13:32

he felt ashamed of what he had done. He

1:13:35

was bitter and bewildered. He

1:13:38

felt as if the punishment far outweighed

1:13:40

the crime. It was a stupid game.

1:13:42

It was a fucking game. It was a terrible

1:13:44

game. I hate it. Helga

1:13:47

was led out of court and brought to a prison in

1:13:49

Essen.

1:13:50

Two days later, he received a visitor in

1:13:52

his cell.

1:13:53

I'm Michael Luker, and I'm the pastor

1:13:56

in the jail where Helga Arsenbach. There

1:13:59

hasn't been.

1:13:59

Father Luca remembers that when he first met

1:14:02

Helga, he was worried. In

1:14:04

the beginning,

1:14:07

he was shocked. He said,

1:14:09

I didn't do anything and I

1:14:12

don't know why I'm here.

1:14:15

Yes, we discussed a lot. And

1:14:17

I said, it's better for you if you

1:14:19

feel your own guilty.

1:14:22

Because if you sit in the jail

1:14:25

and you're always struggling and

1:14:28

saying, well, why I'm here, it's

1:14:33

not good for you. Because then

1:14:35

you are always fighting against

1:14:38

yourself, against the others.

1:14:40

The two men got along well and Helga took

1:14:42

to chatting with the priest in his office at the end

1:14:45

of every week.

1:14:46

We talk a lot about his life

1:14:48

and his lifestyle, about the

1:14:51

philosophy of life. If

1:14:54

you

1:14:54

live in the upper

1:14:57

class and you are

1:14:59

always

1:15:01

somebody

1:15:03

and everybody is praying

1:15:06

to you, it's not good

1:15:09

for your own personality.

1:15:12

And we talk a lot

1:15:14

about this. And I said

1:15:16

to him, what type of person

1:15:18

have you been before the

1:15:21

selling of art starts?

1:15:24

And it was very interesting because

1:15:26

he was a self-worker in

1:15:29

the jail also.

1:15:30

Father Luca is referring to Helga's year

1:15:32

working in the Juvenile Detention Center in Siegberg.

1:15:36

The priest wanted Helga to remember that before

1:15:38

he met Gerhard Richter, before he did

1:15:40

deals with IBM and Jeff Koons and Keith

1:15:42

Haring and Bertolt Albrecht, before

1:15:45

all of the cars and the homes and the private planes,

1:15:48

Helga had simply wanted to help people live

1:15:50

better lives. Father

1:15:52

Luca's advice to Helga when they spoke often

1:15:55

boiled down to just that.

1:15:57

Be more like the guy you used to be and...

1:15:59

less like the person you've become.

1:16:01

I said, maybe

1:16:03

you go a little bit back

1:16:06

to this personality.

1:16:08

Out of these weekly conversations, Helga

1:16:10

began thinking of what he might do after

1:16:12

he was released from prison. How he

1:16:14

could start over, somewhere far from

1:16:16

the art world.

1:16:18

Culture of his own borders started already in

1:16:20

the prison. When I was in

1:16:22

deep, deep shit, deep,

1:16:24

deep trouble, I

1:16:27

saw a nice little

1:16:30

movie about this

1:16:33

punk band, Pussy

1:16:35

Ride in Moscow, where they

1:16:37

were dancing in the church and

1:16:40

put in, put them in jail. And

1:16:51

different persons, artists,

1:16:53

which are there because they were fighting

1:16:56

for the freedom. And I would

1:16:58

love to help them in the future,

1:17:01

to protect them and give them a chance.

1:17:04

So that was my idea,

1:17:07

to do something for my inner soul,

1:17:09

you know, for my freedom. Helga's

1:17:11

idea would be deferred for years while he

1:17:13

did his time.

1:17:15

But soon, he fell into a rhythm that,

1:17:17

against all odds,

1:17:19

felt good to him.

1:17:20

Along with 11 other men, he joined Father

1:17:23

Lucas' choir. He was a good singer, yes,

1:17:25

of course, because he has a good body

1:17:28

for singing.

1:17:30

There's

1:17:31

coming a lot of voice

1:17:34

out of this

1:17:36

very big body. Helga's bass

1:17:38

blended with the choir's other voices. Those

1:17:41

of murderers and thieves and Thomas

1:17:44

Middelhoff, a former Bertelsmann executive

1:17:46

in for embezzlement and tax evasion.

1:17:49

Middelhoff sang baritone.

1:17:51

Father Lucas told us that Helga had a few favorite

1:17:53

songs. There's one song

1:17:56

from Dieterch Bonwoofer. It's

1:17:58

a German song.

1:17:59

who were killed by

1:18:02

the Nazis.

1:18:04

And it's a very famous song

1:18:06

in German. It's called Von Rootenmächten,

1:18:09

Wunderbagenborn. It's about that

1:18:13

also if you are in prison,

1:18:15

if you have a lot of

1:18:18

trouble,

1:18:19

goddess with you always,

1:18:21

and you can feel it. And

1:18:24

Bittig-Bonhoeffer wrote a letter

1:18:26

out of the prison

1:18:28

to his wife.

1:18:30

And

1:18:31

this letter is now the song. And

1:18:34

there's also a song

1:18:35

through selves and to show their inner

1:18:37

aura.

1:18:39

That's good. So now read it or has a fast

1:18:41

fashion brand. Congrats. The US listeners

1:18:43

who were listening to this, it's sort of,

1:18:46

it's very like H&M-E Zara. There

1:18:48

aren't that many in the United States yet. It's like a,

1:18:50

it's a fast fashion company that has

1:18:53

recently sort of put a foot in the United States.

1:18:55

Yeah, but it's kind of like a classic

1:18:57

British brand

1:18:58

that people loved when they went. It's Irish.

1:19:01

It's very targetty. Oh yeah, it is. I think,

1:19:03

yeah, I don't know. Well, either way, I don't know. They love

1:19:05

it.

1:19:06

Anyway, so she was here for Fashion Week, and she

1:19:08

announced her fashion

1:19:09

thing. And then she went to the Invictus

1:19:12

Games and hung out with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.

1:19:14

Of course, why wouldn't you?

1:19:16

And that one guy, who's the guy with the long

1:19:18

hair who was in Eurovision? What's his name?

1:19:20

Like, I always forget his name. Right. He did

1:19:22

the covers on

1:19:23

his talk and then they sent him.

1:19:25

He was like Britain's winner, or Britain's choice.

1:19:28

Yeah, well, he didn't win. Tell you that. Britain

1:19:30

long hair Eurovision. Sam.

1:19:33

Sam.

1:19:34

Sam what?

1:19:35

Sam Ryder. Yeah.

1:19:37

She's getting called out for fast fashion stuff.

1:19:40

Then, of course, she went to Vogue

1:19:42

World. I mean, she literally like,

1:19:45

she has to go every, if there is something

1:19:47

happening, Rita Ora is going. It's so incredible

1:19:50

that she doesn't, she does not, she was at

1:19:52

the VMAs. She doesn't skip a beat. She

1:19:54

presented the VMAs. She was at Vogue World. She's

1:19:57

doing Primark in New York, Fashion Week. Fashion

1:19:59

Week. She was at Venice. She's at the Invictus

1:20:01

Games.

1:20:03

Honey, take a nap. This is why the

1:20:05

conspiracy theory that our friend has about

1:20:07

her not having a body double, which I can't tell if they were serious

1:20:09

or not. No, they're serious. She would

1:20:11

need an identical twin. It couldn't just be

1:20:14

a body double. It would have to be an identical twin. So

1:20:16

that's a better conspiracy theory. Rita Ora has

1:20:18

an identical twin.

1:20:19

Well?

1:20:21

I'll believe that over body double. A

1:20:24

secret identical twin. That's like a fun

1:20:26

YA novel.

1:20:27

Okay. Okay, we're done. Thank you for listening to this episode

1:20:29

of The Week League. Call in at 619 who then believe questions,

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Thank

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you to

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Timmy, Vinnie, our research and editorial

1:21:00

assistant for providing our

1:21:04

researching and editorializing. I

1:21:06

can't do this. Oh my god, I'm sorry. You

1:21:08

are literally doing it. Beck Shaw's like, I'm going to kill you right

1:21:10

now. What else? I

1:21:13

think we're done. We'll see you on Friday.

1:21:15

Bye. Hey. Hey.

1:21:19

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

1:21:23

His wife tried to kill him. He's a normal

1:21:25

person. I love it. That's the funniest thing ever said

1:21:27

on any podcast. Um,

1:21:30

Peter Maughry. It's a German singer

1:21:33

and it's called Ubersie

1:21:35

Brütten. Father Lucas sent us a

1:21:37

recording of the prison choir singing this song.

1:21:40

The translation is you

1:21:42

have to go

1:21:45

over a second.

1:21:59

bridge in your life

1:22:02

and go through

1:22:04

a lot of micronals. Then

1:22:07

at the end, yes, you

1:22:09

can feel like a child

1:22:11

and you are remembering the love

1:22:14

of the child. Helga and Father Luca

1:22:16

also spoke a lot about Helga's childhood,

1:22:19

growing up with a cold and distant mom and

1:22:21

a dad who was not his biological father.

1:22:24

I think this is also one of the big

1:22:27

points of

1:22:29

Helga. He is searching

1:22:31

love.

1:22:33

Everybody is searching

1:22:36

love. The main theme

1:22:38

of the Bible, the main theme for me as a pastor,

1:22:41

the main theme of the people I'm

1:22:44

working with and also a very,

1:22:47

very, very big theme of Helga

1:22:51

is searching love,

1:22:52

always looking,

1:22:55

how can I get a little bit involved?

1:22:58

In part because of his weekly conversations with Father

1:23:01

Luca, Helga says he was able to start

1:23:03

to think differently about his life. I

1:23:05

think honestly, very

1:23:08

deep, honest.

1:23:10

I was

1:23:11

completely in peace with myself,

1:23:14

even in the prison because

1:23:17

I knew I had done a fucking

1:23:20

mistake and I should

1:23:22

not do it and I should

1:23:25

not do things like this. I thought,

1:23:30

okay, if I'm going out and I try

1:23:32

to live a new life, honest

1:23:36

life, radical honest life and

1:23:39

without any kind of

1:23:43

trickies anymore,

1:23:47

the life will be better. A

1:23:49

few months into his prison term, Helga joined

1:23:51

an art program. It was

1:23:54

the first time he'd painted since he was a young man.

1:23:57

He painted alongside other prisoners who were

1:23:59

impressed the amount of money Helga had taken

1:24:01

from the Albrechts. They called him

1:24:03

Gangster. They liked me. He

1:24:07

took the money from the rich. Some

1:24:11

of course were thinking, can I have a million

1:24:13

from you? The art program was,

1:24:16

and still is, run by a local

1:24:18

artist named Anna Berlett. She

1:24:20

admired the way Helga united her group of convicts.

1:24:23

He was

1:24:25

warm-hearted, and

1:24:29

he was able to ignite

1:24:32

a warm light.

1:24:35

And this

1:24:35

radiates to all the

1:24:37

other of the group. He wanted

1:24:39

to do big canvas. And

1:24:43

when I

1:24:44

asked if I can bring some

1:24:46

big canvas, and after a while

1:24:48

everybody wanted to paint on

1:24:51

big canvas, but this is in

1:24:54

this institution of a prison

1:24:56

that's not easy

1:24:58

to handle because what

1:25:00

can we do with the canvas? The

1:25:04

prisoners aren't

1:25:05

allowed to take the canvas

1:25:07

to their

1:25:07

cell. Eventually, Anna

1:25:10

convinced Helga to work on smaller canvases

1:25:12

and to take his time with each painting.

1:25:15

I motivated him to stay,

1:25:17

to task, and to go

1:25:18

deeper into themes.

1:25:21

He was able to stay for

1:25:24

one canvas three months,

1:25:26

four months, five months. So we started

1:25:29

over and over again. After all,

1:25:31

I realized that this is not

1:25:33

at all his habit. He

1:25:36

is a person

1:25:38

of great ideas, which

1:25:41

all comes out of him by

1:25:44

his intuition. I was doing

1:25:47

always landscape

1:25:49

to bring my

1:25:52

own soul in shape because

1:25:56

I called it all the spending spirit

1:25:58

of freedom. So in

1:26:00

this mind, I was

1:26:03

free.

1:26:04

Two years later, Helga was transferred to

1:26:06

another prison early on good behavior.

1:26:09

For two more years, he would be in something Germans

1:26:11

call open prison, meaning

1:26:13

he could work and live outside the prison during

1:26:16

the day and only had to return

1:26:18

there to sleep. He

1:26:20

now had the time and space to begin his work on

1:26:22

culture without borders. So

1:26:25

he gathered a handful of friends who remained loyal to him

1:26:27

and convinced them to invest in the idea.

1:26:31

The British architect David Chipperfield, another

1:26:33

old friend, agreed to help renovate the

1:26:35

rundown farmhouse in Karst. And

1:26:38

Anna Berlett agreed to help conceive of what

1:26:40

this new organization should do. Everything

1:26:44

seemed to be coming together.

1:26:46

But because this is a story about Helga Aachenbach,

1:26:49

his new life gets complicated fast. I

1:26:52

worked there, but he wanted that I

1:26:54

join the group and live there

1:26:57

within. And I

1:27:00

didn't want it all. So

1:27:03

no, yes, I left

1:27:05

the group, but I'm still in the association,

1:27:08

but not in the inner

1:27:10

circle of the association.

1:27:12

And I don't like to bullshit around.

1:27:14

Believe me, it is. I am not

1:27:17

interested to bullshit around. So

1:27:20

I believe you. You can believe

1:27:23

me.

1:27:26

On the next episode of Chameleon. In

1:27:29

Germany, for example, we

1:27:31

have people who make bigger

1:27:34

mistakes than this. God

1:27:36

said six years for this. Yeah,

1:27:40

absolutely crazy. Helga begins to rebuild

1:27:42

his life. Are his actions hurtful?

1:27:45

And I don't think so. But his new start

1:27:47

brings old problems.

1:27:48

I have a very family feeling

1:27:51

with the elders. Yes. You know, like

1:27:53

a guru sometimes. It can be like

1:27:55

this.

1:27:56

Like a guru.

1:27:58

Guru, yeah. I think it's a good thing.

1:28:03

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1:28:05

motives.

1:28:07

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1:28:08

trust Helge? He always

1:28:11

can trust me,

1:28:12

but I'm not sure if

1:28:15

I trust him.

1:28:16

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1:28:17

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