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Drs. May and Tim interview Dr. Jonathan Howard, author of "We Want Them Infected," on BS Free MD. Dr. Howard's book challenges the herd immunity approach taken during the COVID-19 pandemic, arguing that promoting widespread infection was dangerous and ineffective. 

As a dual specialist in neurology and psychiatry, Dr. Howard provides a unique perspective, highlighting the divide between hospital-based experiences and public health strategies. The discussion covers the ethical concerns of using children to achieve herd immunity, the impact of lockdowns, and the role of vaccines. The episode underscores the value of open, respectful conversations in exploring complex health issues. 

Bio

Dr. Jonathan Howard is a neurologist and psychiatrist based at NYU and Bellevue Hospital, where he has practiced for over 20 years. He is the author of "We Want Them Infected," a book that critically examines the herd immunity strategy during the COVID-19 pandemic. Dr. Howard has been deeply involved in discussions on vaccine policies and the anti-vaccine movement for over a decade. His work focuses on understanding the cognitive biases in medicine and promoting honest, evidence-based public health strategies.

Show Highlights

1. Introduction and Episode Overview (00:00-02:00)
   • Introduction of Dr. Jonathan Howard and the topic of herd immunity during COVID-19.
2. Dr. Howard's Background (02:01-05:30)
   • Dr. Howard discusses his dual specialty in neurology and psychiatry and his career at NYU and Bellevue Hospital.
3. Origins of Interest in Vaccine Policies (05:31-10:00)
   • Exploration of Dr. Howard's longstanding interest in vaccines and the anti-vaccine movement.
4. Book Introduction: "We Want Them Infected" (10:01-15:00)
   • Dr. Howard explains the controversial title and the main message of his book.
5. Ethical Concerns of Herd Immunity Strategies (15:01-20:30)
   • Discussion on the ethical issues of promoting widespread infection to protect vulnerable populations.
6. Impact of Lockdowns and Remote Learning (20:31-30:00)
   • Examination of the consequences of lockdowns and school closures on children and families.
7. Debate on Vaccine Efficacy and Safety (30:01-40:00)
   • Insights into the effectiveness and potential risks of COVID-19 vaccines, especially in children.
8. Role of Monoclonal Antibodies and Early Treatment (40:01-50:00)
   • Drs. Hindmarsh and Howard discuss the use of monoclonal antibodies and other early treatments for COVID-19.
9. Censorship and Medical Freedom (50:01-01:00:00)
   • Conversation on the impact of censorship and the importance of open dialogue in the medical community.
10. Closing Thoughts and How to Find Dr. Howard's Work (01:00:01-01:05:00)
    • Final reflections on the discussion and information on where to find Dr. Howard's book and articles.

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Everything in this podcast is for educational purposes only. It does not constitute the practice of medicine and we are not providing medical advice. No Physician-patient relationship is formed and anything discussed in this podcast does not represent the views of our employers. 

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All opinions expressed by the hosts or  guests in this episode are solely their opinion and are not to be used as specific medical advice.  The hosts,  May and Tim Hindmarsh MD, BS Free MD LLC, or any affiliates thereof are not under any obligation to update or correct any information provided in this episode. The guest's statements and opinions are subject to change without notice.

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