0:00

09 Warren was a young mother looking for a fresh

0:02

start in the process of a divorce. She'd

0:04

moved out, found a great new job, and even

0:06

found a new boyfriend. Life was looking

0:08

up But on a mild October evening after

0:10

a long day at work, Sherry said goodbye to her

0:12

coworkers, left the office and

0:14

was never heard from again. All eyes

0:16

quickly turned toward her estranged husband.

0:19

He had a checkered past having lured another

0:21

woman into the mountains where he beat her

0:23

with a tire iron. But there was another

0:25

man that also peaked the interest of investigators,

0:28

09 new boyfriend. He was a former

0:30

reserve police officer with a dark history

0:33

of sexual violence. The two

0:35

men closest to 09. One

0:37

swore he loved her, the other seemed

0:40

not to care, but did one of them

0:42

murder her I'm Dave 09. In

0:44

season three of the hit True Crime Podcast,

0:47

Cold, I dig into what really

0:49

happened to 09. Follow cold wherever

0:51

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0:53

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1:18

Welcome back to bring home Sandrine.

1:21

A podcast covering the disappearance of

1:23

Sandrine Jordan. This

1:25

is episode nine, the

1:28

right to information. My name

1:30

is Graham Crowley. Thank you for listening.

1:33

This podcast has been created for an

1:35

adult audience. There is discussion about

1:37

suicide and death, so listen to discretion

1:40

is advised. The thoughts

1:42

and opinions in this podcast are more on.

1:45

In past episodes, we covered the wear

1:47

and the wear of 09 disappearance. And

1:50

the hair and the wife who arriving at

1:52

123 Thomaston Road that

1:54

fateful Friday, 09 July

1:56

two thousand and twelve. And

1:59

I for one was ready to accept Sandrine

2:02

left that property that day, willingly

2:04

09 unwillingly. As

2:07

with any investigation, new

2:09

information always pops up. Sandrine

2:12

had two mobile phones. One,

2:15

she purchased the day she disappeared. She

2:19

must have reached the decision to commit

2:21

suicide after buying that

2:23

phone. Would you

2:25

consciously decide to buy a phone if you

2:27

intended to kill yourself later that day?

2:31

Apparently, Sandrine used one phone

2:33

to make calls, and the other to receive

2:35

calls. Why you

2:37

do that? I do not profess to understand.

2:41

What happened to Sandrine's phone that

2:43

it needed replacement? Depends

2:46

on who you talk to. Some

2:49

say her previous phone dropped in the toilet.

2:52

Others say she smashed it in frustration

2:55

at the barrage of SMS messages,

2:57

09 was receiving from one of the three

3:00

males in her life at that time.

3:03

No doubt the Queensland 09 Service file

3:05

address that issue and 09 shall find

3:07

out the real reason in due course once

3:10

the file is received. If

3:12

the Queensland police decide to release

3:14

the file under RTI legislation.

3:19

I was always under the impression Sandrine's

3:21

phones and shoulder bag disappeared

3:23

along with her. I

3:25

don't know why. Perhaps

3:28

because one expects that to be the case,

3:31

goes missing, they take their personal

3:34

possessions with them.

3:36

That was my thinking 09.

3:40

In just the last week, I've seen an

3:42

email from the police investigator to

3:44

the family dated two thousand

3:46

and fourteen in which the comment

3:48

was made that the QPS had

3:51

possession of Sandrine's two

3:53

phones in her bag.

3:56

This came as a complete shock to me.

3:59

Initially, I was skeptical and

4:01

reread that email closely.

4:04

It said exactly 09,

4:07

and the

4:07

family confirmed the contents to me.

4:10

It transpires the phones and

4:12

bags were recovered from John's place

4:14

at 123 Comonson Road.

4:17

So

4:19

instead of just the jacket, being left at

4:21

the front gate. We now have

4:23

her personal belongings left behind

4:25

at the time of her disappearance. My

4:28

first thought was, what woman

4:31

gets up and leaves without her phone

4:33

in her handbag or shoulder bag

4:35

called what you like? The

4:37

jacket, I could understand, the

4:40

phones and the handbag, I cannot.

4:44

Is that even possible? Was

4:47

this a reason Queensland 09 concluded

4:49

Sandrine committed suicide? We

4:53

heard how distracted Sandrine would

4:55

become if she could not find

4:57

her laptop. I expect

4:59

she would have been similarly distracted without

5:02

her phone or her shoulder bag.

5:05

09 know John has said Sandrine

5:08

went out the front of the property and was

5:10

never seen again. John

5:13

Leiter told Jordan family members

5:16

09 ran out the back toward the creek

5:18

and disappeared. Hence,

5:21

the phone calls and texts late at night

5:24

to search the back of the property. There

5:27

are questions over how well the property

5:29

was searched but investigator

5:32

Taz searched the property again

5:34

with the cadaver dog. If

5:37

Sandrine was at the front of the property

5:39

and recognize someone approaching, it

5:41

is unlikely she willingly went

5:44

with them 09 her phone and

5:46

bag behind. My opinion,

5:48

09, it is now even

5:50

more important to read the results

5:53

of the Queensland 09 investigation. And

5:56

if any of you have had experience

5:58

with RTI, right, to information,

6:02

and previously now on his FYI, 09

6:04

of information. I'm sure

6:06

you agree with me. It is a

6:08

heartache waiting to happen. Dealing

6:12

with public servants who sometimes appear

6:15

to take delight in refusing your

6:17

application for information. When

6:21

I met the Jordan family in December twenty

6:23

twenty two, I discovered the

6:25

family had only limited information

6:27

from the Queensland Police Service. And

6:30

certainly not the results of the police

6:32

investigation. Essentially,

6:36

the only information they had was

6:38

several emails from the police detective handling

6:41

the case, and the coroner's

6:43

report. And the

6:45

contents of that coroner's report are

6:47

less than desirable. The

6:50

Jordan family had heard of but had

6:52

not applied under RTI legislation.

6:56

In years gone by, I had undertaken

6:59

many FYI requests and

7:01

shuddered at the thought of dealing with them

7:03

again. I had

7:05

hoped those matters were behind me.

7:08

My clear recollection was frustration.

7:12

Always. Frustration with

7:14

the process. The seemingly

7:17

endless refusals for what could

7:19

only be considered petty reasons.

7:22

The case of Graham Stafford, who had his

7:24

conviction for murder quashed in two thousand

7:26

and nine, is the classic example.

7:29

After the dust of the court results settled

7:32

and the continued uproar over the investigation,

7:36

The Queensland police agreed to review

7:38

the original murder investigation. After

7:42

the investigation was completed, The

7:44

service refused to release the findings

7:47

and refused to release the report

7:50

to Graham Stafford's solicitors under

7:52

RTI legislation. It

7:55

took eight years of repeated

7:58

RTI applications and appeals to

8:01

secure the heavily redacted report.

8:04

After refusal to release, the

8:06

matter would be referred to Kukat, the

8:09

Queensland Civil Administration tribunal

8:12

for arbitration. Qcat

8:15

would invariably uphold the appeal

8:17

and order the QPS to release

8:20

the report. On one

8:22

occasion, the Qcat member

8:24

castigated the QPS for

8:27

refusing to release the report. On

8:29

that occasion, the QPS

8:32

agreed to release a report and

8:34

then immediately lodged an appeal citing

8:37

a different reason for doing so, and

8:40

the process would start over again.

8:43

The fight to get the unredacted report

8:45

continues. It is

8:47

now eleven years since the report

8:50

was completed. After

8:52

reading the redacted report,

8:55

It became instantly clear why

8:57

Queensland police so vigorously defended

9:00

the release of the report. The

9:02

report was designed and written to

9:04

settle unrest in the public arena. Noisey

9:07

journalists and individuals, we 09. Who

9:11

were questioning the actions of the original investigators.

9:15

Fabricating evidence and perjury in murder

9:17

patrol are after

9:19

all, not insignificant matters.

9:21

We can only wildly speculate

9:24

what will be found in the areas of the report

9:27

that was redacted.

9:30

The Jordan family lodged an RTI

9:32

application in mid December twenty

9:34

twenty two to obtain the police

9:36

file in relation to Sandrine's

9:39

disappearance. This

9:41

podcast has been paused awaiting

9:43

the receipt of the police falls. I

9:46

did expect the family would receive them

9:48

in January twenty twenty three.

9:51

The application has now been refused

9:53

two times. Most recently

9:55

on twenty two February twenty twenty

9:57

three. I

10:00

assisted the family to lodge the initial

10:02

RTI application. As

10:05

it was many years since I'd been involved

10:07

in any type of RTI matter,

10:10

I asked in an acquaintance to assist.

10:13

This woman's job is to lodge

10:16

RTI applications on behalf

10:18

of a large organization. That

10:21

is her job. She is a

10:23

professional RTI lodger.

10:26

And here we are, two refusals

10:28

from Queensland, please

10:29

later. Says it all 09.

10:32

The

10:33

family have answered the further objections the

10:35

RTI officer raised and

10:37

the game continues. Frustration

10:41

is the word that comes to mind. Again,

10:44

it is crucial to understand what

10:46

investigations Queensland police conducted

10:49

and more importantly, what investigations

10:52

they didn't conduct. And

10:54

from there, we can start to understand

10:57

what areas or matters we

10:59

should be looking at. And

11:02

whilst the three men in Sandrine's life,

11:05

John, Brad, and 09, have

11:07

been cleared of any involvement in Sandrine's

11:10

disappearance. It is important

11:12

to understand what investigations 09

11:15

police undertook. Whilst

11:17

I accept these men have been cleared of any

11:19

involvement, we may need

11:21

to look at their associates. After

11:24

all, it was someone close to Sandrine

11:27

that is at the center of this, of

11:29

that I am sure. Who

11:31

knows until we see the fall?

11:34

And more bad news. Sandrine

11:37

had two laptop computers. The

11:40

Jordan family have them. I

11:42

arranged for an IT person to

11:44

examine both laptops. 09

11:47

was given a brief to look for

11:49

emails, documents, videos,

11:52

and deleted files. We

11:54

heard previously that Sandrine

11:56

said her life was in danger. She

11:59

had sent an email to the wrong person.

12:02

We do not know what Queensland police

12:04

found when they had the laptops

12:06

examined. They did say

12:09

they found video they could not

12:11

be 09 to watch. More

12:13

reasons to read their report. My

12:16

IT guy found only family

12:18

photographs on the first computer hundreds

12:21

of family photographs, mainly

12:23

of her children, some

12:25

family videos, No

12:28

emails, no deleted files,

12:31

and no video to unbearable to

12:33

watch. 09 was unable

12:36

to access the hard drive

12:38

on the second laptop.

12:42

09 Warren was a young mother looking for a fresh

12:44

start. In the process of a divorce, she'd

12:47

moved out, found a great new job, and even

12:49

found a new boyfriend. Life was looking

12:51

up. But on a mild October evening after

12:53

a long day at work, Sherry said goodbye to her

12:55

coworkers, left the office and

12:57

was never heard from again. All eyes

12:59

quickly turned toward her estranged husband.

13:01

He had a checkered past having lured another

13:03

woman into the mountains where he beat her

13:05

with a tire iron. But there was another

13:07

man that also peaked the interest of investigators,

13:11

09 new boyfriend. He was a former

13:13

reserve police officer with a dark history

13:15

of sexual violence. The two

13:17

men closest to 09. One

13:20

swore he loved her, the other seemed

13:22

not to care, but did one of them

13:25

murder her. I'm Dave 09. In

13:27

season three of the hit True Crime Podcast,

13:29

Cold. I dig into what really

13:31

happened to Sherry. Follow Cold

13:33

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13:46

John told me that he has been undertaking

13:48

IT work for over thirty years.

13:51

He has never seen a hard drive

13:53

with the level of encryption on it that

13:55

is on Sandrine's second computer.

13:59

He simply could not get past the password.

14:02

I wondered whether police place the encryption

14:04

on the hard drive, and if so,

14:06

why would they? I contacted

14:09

a recently retired homicide detective.

14:11

He told me it would be unlikely Queensland

14:14

police would place encryption on the computer.

14:17

There would be no reason to. He

14:19

thought they would have been able to crack the password.

14:23

More reasons to read their report. I

14:25

have previously covered the coroner's report

14:28

in relation to Sandrine's disappearance. On

14:31

that basis alone, I believe this

14:33

matter should go back to the coroner. You

14:36

may recall the report was five pages

14:38

and a few lines long. Sixty

14:41

three dot points of information In

14:44

episode two, I compared that report

14:46

to the coronation investigation of police officer

14:49

Mick Ulz, which ran to fifty

14:51

eight pages. That

14:53

was not the most appropriate matter

14:55

to compare it to, particularly

14:58

as Mick was a police officer and on

15:00

duty at the time of his disappearance. Listener

15:03

Barbara, recently directed me

15:05

towards another missing person, 09

15:08

Club. And suggested

15:10

I read the 09 report

15:13

in relation to that, which

15:15

I have now done. And

15:17

this is a valid disappearance and

15:20

coroner's report to compare the

15:22

grains. 09 Club,

15:25

twenty four years, lived with her

15:27

mother and sister in Harvey Bay, about

15:29

three hours north of Brisbane. 09

15:32

left Harvey Bay on twenty June

15:34

twenty thirteen to travel to Brisbane

15:37

with friends. For a few

15:39

short days. It was

15:41

completely out of character, not

15:43

to stay in touch with her 09, particularly

15:47

over this lengthy period of time,

15:49

ten years. Monique was

15:51

last seen leaving a shopping center in 09

15:53

Lee. On twenty two June

15:56

twenty thirteen and walking

15:58

across a nearby 09, the

16:00

creek was less than one meter 09. She

16:03

was seen to walk up the bank on the other side.

16:05

She has not been seen since. No

16:08

remains have ever been found. Her

16:11

bank accounts have not been accessed since

16:13

that date. Her family

16:15

and friends have not heard from her. It

16:17

is very likely she is deceased.

16:21

09 conducted extensive ground and

16:23

air searches looking for her. Police

16:26

concluded she died of a drug overdose

16:28

or was murdered. A coroner's

16:30

inquest was held in December twenty twenty

16:33

one. The coroner found

16:35

Monique to be deceased. 09

16:37

found that how many died could

16:40

not be determined. Now

16:42

compare the two reports. Sandrine

16:46

disappearance was a 09 investigation

16:49

where the coroner base her findings on

16:51

the contents of the police report and

16:53

completed a five and bit

16:55

page 09. Sixty

16:58

three dot points. There

17:00

was no cord hearing. No

17:02

witnesses called to give evidence. No

17:06

questioning of whether Sand 09 went out

17:08

the front of 123 Thomaston Road,

17:10

or disappeared at the back of 123.

17:14

The men in her life at that time

17:17

were not called to account for their whereabouts,

17:19

or actions. There are

17:22

already rumors, one of the

17:24

three men has confessed to

17:26

lying to police about his whereabouts

17:28

on the day Sandrine went missing. More

17:31

about that in a later episode. Sandrine's

17:34

death was ruled suicide. 09

17:37

disappearance was the subject of a

17:39

coroner's inquest. The

17:41

inquest was held in open court

17:44

over four days. Nineteen

17:46

witnesses were called and gave sworn

17:48

evidence. The

17:50

coroner's findings extended to thirty

17:53

six pages and two hundred

17:55

and ten dot points. Her

17:57

cause of death ruled undetermined. What

18:01

was a difference between Sandrine's disappearance?

18:04

And Monique's disappearance that

18:06

one 09 in O'Connor's investigation or

18:09

the other was the subject of an inquest.

18:12

I believe had Sandrine's disappearance

18:14

been the subject of an inquest. There

18:17

would not be all these question marks

18:19

still swirling around her last hours.

18:23

SANDRINE would be considered the neglected

18:25

poor cousin in this instance, that's

18:27

for sure. I have read

18:29

the legislation surrounding the coroner's

18:31

obligations. This is

18:33

what is written. When

18:36

is an inquest held? Very

18:39

few coronal investigations proceed

18:41

to inquest. However,

18:44

an inquest must be held If

18:47

the death occurred in custody, if

18:50

the death occurred while a person was in care

18:53

and there are issues about the care,

18:56

If the death occurred as a result of police operations,

18:59

unless the coroner considers an inquest

19:01

isn't needed, If

19:04

the attorney general directs that

19:06

an inquest be held, if

19:09

the state coroner orders an inquest to be

19:11

held, If

19:13

the district court upholds an appeal against

19:16

a coroner's decision not to hold an

19:18

inquest.

19:19

After reading the report, in relation to

19:21

Sandrine's disappearance and

19:23

the report in relation to Monique's disappearance,

19:26

I see nothing that would suggest

19:28

one should receive a cursory investigation

19:31

and the other a full inquest.

19:34

The

19:34

coroner's report in relation to Monique

19:37

mention nothing about being directed

19:39

to hold an inquest by the 09 general

19:42

or the state coroner. I

19:44

decided to write to the state coroner seeking

19:46

clarification. I have

19:49

sent this 09. Dear stay

19:51

corona. I am broadcasting

19:53

a podcast into the disappearance of

19:55

Sandrine and Emmanuel Jordan who

19:58

was declared deceased on two

20:00

June two thousand sixteen.

20:02

There are two matters I would like to raise

20:04

with you regarding the 09 investigation

20:07

held in the Sandrine disappearance. I

20:10

find it extraordinary. The coroner

20:12

found 09 committed suicide given

20:15

no body and no remains have

20:18

ever been found. Point

20:20

sixty of the report refers.

20:23

I believe that filing to be unprecedented.

20:27

Would you care to comment on that?

20:29

I would like to draw your attention to

20:32

the comparison of how you'll

20:34

corner dealt with these two disappearances.

20:37

Sandrine Jordan disappeared

20:40

two thousand and twelve. No remains

20:43

recovered. Death threats

20:45

received, subject of

20:47

a 09 investigation consisting

20:49

of six pages and sixty two dot

20:51

points, ruled suicide, 09

20:55

Irene Club disappeared

20:57

June two thousand and 09. No

21:00

remains recovered. Death threats

21:02

received. Subject of a

21:04

09 inquest held over four days,

21:07

nineteen witnesses called to give evidence,

21:10

a report comprising thirty six

21:12

pages and two hundred and ten dot

21:14

points ruled undetermined. After

21:17

reading the details on the Queensland government

21:19

website, when an inquest is held,

21:22

And after reading the coroner's report

21:25

in relation to miss club's disappearance, her

21:28

case did not appear to qualify for

21:30

an inquest to 09 It is

21:32

more than regrettable that so many

21:34

unanswered questions remain

21:36

surrounding the disappearance of Sandrine

21:39

Jordan. Hence my podcast.

21:42

To prevent any possible breach of privacy,

21:45

perhaps you can comment generally on

21:47

why one missing person case 09 a

21:49

corona investigation and

21:51

another similar missing person case

21:54

receives a corona linguist. I

21:57

wait your advisors, Graham Crowley.

22:00

If and when I receive a reply, I

22:02

shall advise. I'm not

22:04

suggesting that 09 Club did

22:06

not deserve a 09 inquest. I

22:09

am suggesting SANDRINE Jordan

22:11

did deserve a 09 inquest.

22:15

There are any number of missing

22:17

persons, particularly in the Kombucha

22:19

area, We could compare to Sandrine's

22:22

shabby treatment, but I think the

22:24

point has been made. However,

22:27

in due course, I do want

22:29

to look at the cases of missing women,

22:31

Jennifer Kilkenny, missing

22:34

from one January two thousand

22:36

and twelve. Tina

22:38

Greene. Missing from eighteen

22:40

January two thousand and twelve.

22:43

Gail Lynch. Missing from

22:45

three July two thousand and

22:47

twelve. Kenya Buckland,

22:49

missing from eleven August two thousand

22:52

and 09. And Barbara

22:54

Troughton, missing from twenty

22:56

seven January two thousand

22:58

and sixteen. None

23:01

of these women have ever been found.

23:04

There are others I could add to the list.

23:07

I want to know what, if anything,

23:10

09 of those women had in common

23:12

with Sandrine. For

23:15

instance, we already know,

23:17

Jennifer 09, disappeared

23:19

only a short distance from where

23:21

Sandrine was living on one

23:24

January two thousand and twelve.

23:27

Members of the Jordan family, no

23:29

members of the Kilkenny family. We

23:33

know SANDRINE new girl

23:35

lynch. The name

23:38

of one of the three men in

23:40

Sandrine's life pops

23:42

up in the case of missing woman

23:44

Barbara Trilton. And

23:47

that is all without even

23:49

really digging. At an

23:51

appropriate time, I expect to recommend

23:53

to the Jordan family to contact

23:56

the state coroner with a request

23:58

to reopen Sandrine's case.

24:01

But I do not think this is yet the appropriate

24:04

time. Judging

24:06

from what has turned up so far, I

24:08

expect the police report will hold

24:10

even more surprises

24:12

if we ever see it.

24:16

That's it for the right to information.

24:19

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24:21

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24:24

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