As a former hard-charging consultant burdened with insomnia, Hylke was surprised to find that exploring meditation on a trip to Vietnam allowed him to sleep more restfully than he had in quite some time.

What's amazing for me is how much I am learning through this process of podcasting and having these exploratory conversations. Hylke is no exception and helps me highlight this for myself even more. It brings up deep questions of human nature and I get a chance to share myself and learn with my guests.

Here's a few things I am learning:

1) I am learning slowly what it is to just be vulnerable in these conversations and not put up a mask simply because I have impressive guests and other people may be listening. It's not always easy, but it is a great growing experience.

2) I am also learning the most basic things--like genuinely respecting the other's point of view while sometimes holding a different opinion, and then choosing to focus on where our common ground is.

3) While I have an audience and I respect them, I think I do them fewer favors if I am constantly thinking about them. I am learning to explore the curiosities that arrive for me in the moment and trust that that is where the conversation is best suited to go for all interested parties. To think with my own mind rather than try to think with many other people's minds, which of course is impossible anyway.

I find Hylke to be kind, thoughtful, deep, and brilliant. For those on a path of dharma in the modern world, this will be an enjoyable conversation.

Hylke is through and through a Truth-seeker who places primacy on awakening to deeper levels of reality, while making a positive contribution to the world at a high level. As somebody who works with well-known, "name brand" institutions while being someone who pursued monkhood at one point, he helps me to build a bridge between spiritual life and material life, and remember my own values.

A great synchronicity at the end and Hylke's love for music brings us to a nice close. This conversation was a real pleasure for me. It also challenged me to reflect a lot afterwards. I am grateful for it.

You can find out more about Hylke's work at Constancee.com and growthleadersnetwork.com.