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Music.

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That's so great. Thank you for joining us. Don't look behind you.

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Welcome to Bruise Clues. I almost forgot the name of our podcast.

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Bruise Clues. It's been a minute and we're so glad to be back recording.

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How have you been? I've been good. It's holidays, it's vacations, it's life.

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I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot going on.

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There's a lot. We have a bunch of episodes saved up. We have some we need to

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rerecord now that we know somewhat what we're doing so you don't have to listen to us in a tin can.

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That's a work in progress. It is. And we're making it right.

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We're making it right for you listeners. Yes. Because I hate,

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I have tried listening to random podcasts and if the quality of the audio isn't there, I can't.

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It's very difficult to listen to. So we hear you.

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We hear you. We're responding accordingly.

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Yes. So yeah, so we're getting ready for the holidays around here.

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Lisa has all her holiday decor up and makes me so, I feel so jealous.

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This is not even half of it. Holy cannoli.

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I'm not even, I haven't even begun. Holy Christmas cannoli. This was the first

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day where I just, November 1st, sweaty, running, because it's Florida,

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so I'm going to be sweaty in the attic. But I was too excited, just running up there, switching boxes.

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And Lucy wanted the tree. so lucy's

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six and she wanted to put up the tree she

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threw on her hat and she's taking things out going jingle bells oh my god she

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lily couldn't care less she was like whatever i'm excited about christmas but

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lucy and me we were like yeah oh and i love that i have a surprise for us are you ready Yes. Really?

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Get out with her. She snuck some snacks in here.

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I'm so hungry. Can I eat that now? You can eat it now. Oh, my.

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We have a little Debbie. I have not had those in years. Christmas trees.

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Are you kidding me? No, I don't eat these, but I do now. This is the only one

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I eat, and they probably all taste the same. It's the same recipe,

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but you know what? Amazing. I'm coming over here all the time. Listen. Okay. That is the sound of a Christmas tree Little Debbie,

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And we're not telling anyone about it Take a bite and tell me what you think

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Because you haven't had it in so long I had one like yesterday I just think

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it tastes Like Christmas, Tastes like a Hallmark movie Wow,

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That's beautiful. It is. I love it. It's so sweet. It pairs great with this beer.

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And cakey. The icing. I'm going to take one more bite because I've got to record.

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I've got to tell my story here. Yes. And I saw on Pinterest you could do some kind of, you take these and you mash

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them up with Cool Whip and you make like a Christmas tree cake dip.

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But then I'm like, what do you dip in it? So you're just taking cakes,

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basically. Those cinnamon pitas, pita chips.

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Oh, pita chips would be somewhat healthy. Yeah. Yeah, because people had spreads

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with like Oreos and gingerbread.

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I'm like, yeah, this is all great. But I have high blood pressure and high cholesterol.

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And yeah, I'm trying not to die. I mean, don't die. I'm on medication. Don't die over dip.

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I mean, unless it's Christmas tree dip or buffalo chicken dip.

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I'm willing to maybe risk it.

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Not that dip. Correct. Not your Christmas dip.

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I'm with you in the buffalo chicken dip. Yeah. Girl, I would bathe in that.

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Love me some buffalo chicken. I'm going to make some. Okay. Next time.

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Next recording. We're just going to do pairings. I'm so hungry now.

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This is great. All right. Let's on to the story and we can try and calm ourselves down.

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All right. Okay. Here we go. Let's get started.

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A few years ago, I went to visit a friend in upstate New York.

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One day, we took our bikes out and rode from her grandparents' house.

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They had a house in their family they'd had for eons. and we were staying in that house.

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And so we took these bikes out and we rode to some cherry tree fields close by to pick cherries.

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It was a gorgeous summer day and we felt so free riding around the quiet roads

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without a car or person around for seemingly miles and miles.

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Speaking of Hallmark movies. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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It felt like that. I mean, just two girlfriends riding around,

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laughing, having a great time. The summer sun was out. We just felt also free.

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That feeling should be something every young woman has access to with the knowledge

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that the only danger she may encounter is a flat tire or some sudden summer rainstorm.

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But the story I have today didn't end in a cherry field or back at a family

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member's house after a long bike ride.

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And these stories are what pull us into true crime.

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How do we stay safe when something as as innocent as a bike ride could go so terribly wrong.

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Our story takes place in Delta, Ohio. Delta is a village located in the northwest

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corner of Ohio with a population of 3,316 people.

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Known for its vast cornfields and small-town feel, Delta boasts a rich history,

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friendly people, and beautiful scenic vistas.

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And it's one of those places where true crime does not exist.

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We all know those places. You don't lock your doors. Yeah. Everyone knows everyone.

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Yeah, and especially not violent crime.

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So in the afternoon of July 19th, 2016, Sierra Jogan left her grandparents'

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home where she was staying while on summer break from her time at the University

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of Toledo's Junior College of Business.

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Sierra took to the road on her purple road bike and headed over to her boyfriend

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Josh's house a few miles from her grandparents' home.

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Sierra was bright, beautiful, smart. She was young, 20-year-old, at the prime of her life.

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And she was described by friends and family as the life of the party and super ambitious.

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Sounds like she lit up the room. It's possible. She lit up the room.

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She did. Yeah. She did it well. I'll say that.

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Sierra's bike ride of about six miles over to her boyfriend's house that day was uneventful.

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Other than being super hot from the ride Sierra didn't mention anything out

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of the ordinary when she arrived, she spent a little bit of time with her boyfriend and then decided it was time

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to bike back home remember it was a six mile bike ride so and it was in summer

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so it was hot a little bit of a trek yeah okay,

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So Josh was admittedly old school and he insisted on riding his motorcycle alongside

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Sierra as she pedaled home. Good on you, Josh.

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Yep. He actually took a video of the two quote unquote biking together that

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evening and posted it to social media.

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He was making a joke saying we're going on a bike ride and he's on his motorcycle

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and she's actually pedaling. It's pretty cute. That joke because everybody at the brewery had bikes, like bike,

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real bikes. And I was like, Like, let's go have a bike club, guys.

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I feel you. He did the same thing. It was super cute.

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So the video is short, but he chose Sierra grinning and riding her bike alongside

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Josh, who was on his motorcycle. Note to kids, please don't selfie and drive. Be safe. Yes.

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Hashtag put the phone down. Correct. So about halfway to Sierra's grandparents'

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house, she told Josh to head back home.

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And she was fine. fine she was not

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taping me josh i'm sweaty josh i want to get

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home i love you but please back down and

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so he listened to her about another mile down

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the road so he decided to turn around before he

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left her he kissed her to goodbye he told her he

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loved her and asked her to text him when

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she got home that was the last time he would

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see ciara alive wait was it dark by

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the time she left his his house around 7 p.m so

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it's summertime so no so no it wasn't yeah it's like

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dusk right and but it wasn't dark this was ohio

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right so we were in michigan and it didn't

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get dark until almost 10 o'clock it

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was crazy like it would it was definitely very

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bright at seven yeah so i mean i

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assume it's probably about the same maybe

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a little bit less less bright but

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still exactly yeah so it was good it

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wasn't pitch black on these roads correct

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yep and he went with her halfway more than

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halfway actually so around 9

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p.m that evening sierra's mom was

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driving by her parents house remember sierra was.

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Staying with her grandparents yeah and

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that was just because of the room they had an extra room at her at their house

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versus her mom's house so her mom lived right around the the corner and this

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is where she grew up and stuff and she just wants yeah so around 9 p.m that

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evening sierra's mom was driving by her parents house and noticed the sierra's bedroom was dark.

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Normally that time of night, Sierra would still be awake and the bedroom light would still be on.

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Around the same time, Josh noticed Sierra hadn't texted when she arrived home.

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Thinking that was odd and uncharacteristic of her, he tried calling her phone.

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Her phone was going straight to voicemail.

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Feeling more concerned, Josh called Sierra's mom and explained that he hadn't

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heard from her since he saw her last and wondered if she was okay. Okay.

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Sierra's mom called her parents and asked if they could check the bedroom where Sierra was staying.

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They checked the bedroom. They checked the house, the yard, and the barn where

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she would have parked her bike. The fact that not even much time has passed and Josh is on it is amazing.

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He has her family's numbers. They're all calling around looking for her. This was so quick that that they

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realize something was wrong, not like her, and they're on it. This is so great.

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I mean, it's not great, but it's great that she has so much love and people that care about her.

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Yeah, and new things that were uncharacteristic of her.

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Right. I mean, if she normally turned her phone off or, like,

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ghosted him or something, it would be out of the ordinary.

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Yeah, if I go to my car and Trey feels like something's wrong,

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I want him to do the same thing. Like I want him immediately to be like,

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listen, something's up. Yes. Yeah.

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So couldn't find her. They looked everywhere.

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So then the police were called and the search party began.

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The first item found was her bicycle. About half of a mile from where Josh had

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left her, that's where they found the bike.

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That's never good. So this is summertime in Ohio. The corn was tall and green,

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and a bike was set back a few rows from the road.

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So it was in the corn.

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It was in the corn. The police actually noticed that a couple of the corn stalks

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were smooshed down in a full perfect row.

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They noticed that and so they thought to look there and they found her bike.

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That's the most terrifying thing. Was somebody waiting in the corn or did somebody

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push her in the corn? Yeah, we'll get to that. Oh my gosh. Okay, so we lived in a small town in Michigan and this brings me

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to I did so many runs on a dirt road along cornfields and just along like farms

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and stuff and just so many things like this. Like I would jog.

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I was training for a half marathon that I did in Detroit.

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And I did 12 miles around this super tiny town. So I went everywhere.

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And some of it was remote.

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Yeah. And you shouldn't be crazy. You shouldn't.

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I felt great. I felt so wonderful.

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And besides dying, besides the fact that you're running, besides the fact that

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I'm sorry, honey, I had to like, Like, get to the tree.

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Get to the stop sign now. That's how I run.

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One foot in front of the other. Don't fall place forward.

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Besides that, once I did it, I'm like, I'm freaking awesome.

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Look at me. Yeah. Can't touch me.

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Yeah. But the fact, yeah, just you're enjoying nature. Just being outside on

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a nice day. You should just. Should be able to relax into it. You should. Yeah. I don't like this.

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So they found her bike in the corn field.

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A struggle was also noticed near the bike, along with trace amounts of blood and a motorcycle track.

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A few other items were found near the bike. A pair of men's sunglasses,

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a screwdriver, and further away, a motorcycle helmet.

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Not Josh. So Josh was interviewed soon after the bike was found and the motorcycle

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tracks were discovered. But he was quickly ruled out as a person of interest.

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I mean he seems so sweet but that could be an

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act because what are the odds that he wanted to ride

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with her home so nothing happened and then she convinced him

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to turn around and then something actually happens i mean yeah the

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odds are probably good but it's always like your

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partner they always look at your partner right yeah but it

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was not josh everyone so yeah he's cleared so

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his motorcycle helmet was accounted for and he had

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a solid alibi for the rest of the evening so josh was

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i wanted to put that super early in the story good on you

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josh yeah and he was very cooperative and

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the fact that he like is calling everybody called everyone he's

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just yeah concerned he was on top of it so

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the investigators then took to the areas around where

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the bike was found canvassing neighbors and

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locals for more information and possible leads or

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if anyone knew anything they eventually interviewed

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a man by the name of james worley i

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don't like his name no a local

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man who lived about two miles from where her bike was

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left probably in the cornfields like i could just see him like probably wearing

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a plaid shirt he doesn't have hair but he has hair like around his head oh quite

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the imagery he might have have glasses and a mustache is this clue does anyone

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have guys with glasses and mustache. It's just like in movies like 80s 90s movies

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like creepers yeah the full-on with like the circle

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big glasses super big glasses yeah exactly also just

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i we said jeffrey dahmer earlier and i just have

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that in my head so maybe glasses are sticking in my head

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night stalker imagery yeah okay no not

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night stalker jeffrey dahmer i know but night stalker also didn't

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they have the sketch of his like glasses were super big i think

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did he have glasses i can't remember i

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for some reason that or zodiac head oh we're

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gonna look it up okay we'll look it up okay she'll do that and i'll be looking

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stuff up not relevant to the story at all that was a total tangent nope and

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we're back all right they eventually interviewed a man by the name of james

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worley which we don't like that name a local man who lived about two miles from where her bike was left,

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James seemed particularly interested in talking to the police.

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He opened up and shared that he had been in the area the night of Sierra's disappearance.

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He stated his motorcycle had broken down and he stopped in that area to fix

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his bike so he could make it back home.

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So get this. This is wild. Another witness interviewed by police noted a white

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panel van speeding through the area the same night.

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They had the foresight everyone turn

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up the volume they had the foresight to

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take down the license plate number and it

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turned out to be orly's van wild i don't know about you guys but anytime i see

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a white van i take down the license plate number wild what are you guys doing

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in there why can't we see where are the windows it's a small town and one van

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goes speed speeding down down the road. Why are you in such a hurry?

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Someone wrote down the license plate. That is wild.

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I'm sorry. That is a wild. It is. Someone had a pen. I can never find a pen.

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And a piece of paper. I can never find a pen. Where's the goddamn pen?

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Okay. But when the circumstances call for it, maybe they didn't even have a pen.

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Maybe it was that suspicious that it stuck out to them. It must have been.

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I would love to talk to this person. There was a time where we were having a

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birthday party and somebody kept stopping like slowing down at the house in front of the kids,

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turned out it was just somebody we

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know that knows the kids it's like it was like an

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uncle of one of the kids or something so not at all creepy but we couldn't see

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him at first we didn't know the car at first I could still tell you the freaking

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license plate which I'm not gonna say but when something is off you're just

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like boom you got it it's just I'm I'm just so impressed by that fact.

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I mean, that is crazy, though, that somebody... I mean, if you see a white van

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speeding, though, like... A white van just speeding.

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A white panel van speeding. I don't know. It just blew my mind.

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It's such a detail that, like... Did they have, like... It's not an ice cream truck.

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Where is he going in a hurry? Like, what is he doing? Yeah, but I mean,

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to write it down, I don't know. I'm not that person.

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I am not that person. I can't even tell you...

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If I see anybody that I don't like... the person who checked me

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out at the republics this morning looked like i'm not

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that person please don't ever ask me to come and testify on the

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witness stand i will not know anything i won't

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even know why i'm there are you trying to be that person being a true crime

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person like you're trying to like mold your mind to remember i'd like to i'd

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like to have those yes you need to remember i would love to have those instincts

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i just know that i don't but to have okay so i think a while super long tangent,

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just skip ahead 30 seconds. I also have a quick, okay, yeah.

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Wasn't it that long ago i i just told us about

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a story in tampa when i was there and there was

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a white van i didn't write down the license plate and that

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was extremely suspicious yeah but you

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guys were also drinking and you were with your friends that

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intoxicated yeah but you had people around

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and you're being very sweet i need to do better just

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say do better do better do better do better crime people

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lighting up rooms and trusting everybody stop stop

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it do better i should do do better i feel so bad

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reading this like thinking my gosh i i

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had an opportunity to write down a white panel

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yeah that was being suspicious

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but what do we even so i guess you just write

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it down and then if anything comes out in the news then what

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do you like how do you know to turn it

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in what do you say to police you just write it down and say i

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don't like this van i have a feeling I'm

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just telling you guys this little you must have to

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keep me down a tailspin because

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I'm like yes I had all the questions I

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was like where did where did they find a pin they were speeding how did they

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follow them how did they see it in a flash if they were speeding where were

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they speeding by did they have a piece of paper handy did they keep the paper

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so in suspicious folder I need to create Greatest suspicious folder.

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You know what I'm getting you for Christmas is a little notebook where you could

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write down with a white van on it and be like, there's my white van notebook,

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like Scooby-Doo. Like if you had merch. Yeah.

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Right here. Merch. Merch. Trademarked. Don't do it. Stop it.

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Stop it. White van. White van. Notepad.

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License plate numbers. Oh my gosh. Okay. It's better to be safe.

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But yes, I am very... I forgot what I was going to say. I said...

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I don't know, but I'm going to... You make something up so I can finish this

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Christmas tree. Okay. So...

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It's a lovely night oh boy she forgot okay

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i forgot i totally did okay let her

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eat the christmas tree people let her have this indulgence i

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i need another beer so they had the foresight to take

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down the license plate number and it turned out to be worley's van

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and remember worley's story was that

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he had his motorcycle out and his

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motorcycle was breaking down and that's why why

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he was on that same road so based on

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dna at the scene of her bike and the

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witness's statement about the van they found

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both worley's dna and and sierra's dna at the scene and the the statement about

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the van the police had enough evidence to search his property and this is when

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the story turns into a nightmare it's so crazy so then i guess just if it came

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out on the news that that something happened. They probably just took it down. I'm still stuck on the license plate.

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They probably just took it down saying, better safe than sorry.

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And then if something came out, they were like, oh, suspicious.

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Yes, I bet I'll turn this in. And then, boom, connection.

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That's wild. You guys, this is why we do this. Like, write down license plates.

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Yeah, I'm going to do better. Upon searching a barn on Whirly's property, authorities discovered a hidden room.

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I just have to sigh like please don't

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do guys please don't okay hidden freaking

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room like this is guys serial killer

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101 that they're like okay this watch this

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guys this is my dungeon this reminds me of this the lovely bones did you see

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that or read that no it was well i don't want to split spoiler alert skip ahead

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it's it's so sad it's about like a girl in the neighborhood at one of her neighbors

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or something somebody i think it's her neighbor but somebody she knows.

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He ended up like in a field on

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her way home from school had a hidden room

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and was like gross come down and okay

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i killed her but yeah just hidden rooms i don't know yeah don't do it don't

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have available visible rooms so serial killers are like no thank you so upon

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searching the barn They discovered a hidden room where they found several pairs of women's underwear,

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some of which had blood on them, restraints, and under some wood panels on the floor,

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inset into the floor of the barn, they found a carpet-lined freezer with the

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interior stained with blood. It was like a deep freezer. Yeah. But he had carved out a hole in the floor

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of the barn and inset this freezer into the floor. So it was like built in almost.

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Like he made it built in. Into the floor, insulated, and carpet lined.

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And the carpet had blood on it. But there was nothing in it.

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When they opened it up, nothing was in there. Just the blood-soaked carpet. Oh, my God.

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They also found blood on Worley's motorcycle.

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As well as zip tie restraints. So he literally had zip ties pre-tied.

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Yeah. And a ski mask in his truck.

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Sierra's DNA was found on a piece of duct tape and on an inflatable mattress found in the barn.

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So this was enough. This was just enough.

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Period. This was enough to throw him in the freezer and lock it and call it a day.

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So this was enough for police to arrest Worley and the same day they made their

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rest, they found Sierra's body.

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Wow. Sierra was discovered in a shallow grave along County Road 7,

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a few miles from Worley's property.

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She was hogtied. This is a little graphic. She was hogtied, had a large plastic

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toy in her mouth which functioned as a gag and was wearing an adult diaper.

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Her cause of death was determined to be asphyxiation caused by the gag,

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and there was no evidence of sexual assault.

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So he did it just to do it. Like he liked the fear or something.

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Potentially. Or he had planned to do more and she just asphyxiated.

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Yeah. Yeah. Or there was somebody that came upon them almost or something. Who knows?

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So during the trial in which Worley pleaded not guilty, of course,

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piece of shit, a previous victim of Worley testified.

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Her account of Worley's attack on her had very similar elements as Sierra's.

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She testified that in July of 1990, Worley ran her down with his truck,

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threatened to kill her if she didn't come with him, and held a screwdriver to her neck.

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At that time, he was sentenced four to ten years, but only served three years

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and was released early. Wow. Good behavior.

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Yeah. Yeah, he's such a good guy. Great behavior. I'm just, I'm trying,

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like, when you were saying that, I was trying to picture in my

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my head because where else do you picture stop steven trying

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to picture just walking and having that happen

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can you imagine if somebody pulls up next to you and

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starts yelling those things no i don't know

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what i would do or she has to hit you with a car or or

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in this case of sierra they i don't

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know if my mind would work that fast i'd be like what the hell is happening

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i think of the fight or flight or freeze yeah

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i would freeze i think i'm more of a freeze person just

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because because i'm like i don't know what i would do i just don't know

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i don't know and in the case of sierra they believe that

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he hit her over the head while she was biking by him with his motorcycle helmet

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so she she was oh so she might have not even seen him coming i mean potentially

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maybe she saw him and like just biked near him you know thinking yeah she's broken down and yeah.

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So, Worley's case, the case with Ciara, was weak at best, and the jury was quick

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to turn around a verdict of guilty. Capital punishment was on the table, and the judge sentenced Worley to death.

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After years of appeal, his final appeal was denied by the court,

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and an execution date of May 20th, 2025 has been set for Worley.

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Oh, so he's still alive, so we could still talk shit to him. Hey, listen up.

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Just based on your name, we knew that you sucked at life. Get him. You're awful.

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Get him, Lisa. Get him. Get him. You will never have a Little Debbie's Christmas

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tree. Oh, my God. They're delicious. I'm almost done with mine.

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You will never know the magic of Christmas.

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Unless it was his last meal request, which would be really weird.

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This is like Santa Claus talking shit. I don't know what I'm doing.

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All right. You will have coal in your stocking, sir. Wow. Thank you.

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This Christmas spirit is sitting next to me. I feel it.

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Okay. So the best way to fight darkness is with light.

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And that's what Ciara's family has done since she was taken from them in 2016.

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So I want to tell you about Ciara's Law. So after the murder and trial, Ciara's family and other activists came together with their community.

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And they worked to put

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into place a way to warn public

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the public of offenders in their

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area so they felt like registry that

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we have now it well in their area this is

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they introduced so they introduced senate bill 67 sierra's

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law and it was put together in 2017

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and the bill was intended to

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allow the public to search on a website for offenders with

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the qualifying convictions similar to sex offender a

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registry so it's similar to that okay but it's more i think it's more violent

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any violent or anything after several hearings with some opponents such as the

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aclu argued that the bill did nothing to protect the public the bill was changed

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so that residents must visit the local sheriff's office to request a search

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to be performed oh god how dare you like It's the internet.

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Give us access to everything because that's what it's for.

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Yeah. In November of 2017, Sierra's law was introduced in the Ohio Senate as Senate Bill 231.

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Sierra's mother spoke before legislators in November 2018, urging them to pass the bill.

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It was passed on December 6, 2018, and signed into law on December 19,

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and it went into effect March 20, 2019. Thank you.

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So I'm, you know, what do you do with all that pain? I don't know.

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But this is actual physical things that they did.

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They had, they have a scholarship fund.

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They've put together a ton of memorial stuff for her.

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It just, you can feel the pain reading this story and going through this.

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And our hearts really go out to their, to her family, to Sierra's family.

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We know she's in a better place. It's beautiful that they were able to find a silver lining in it.

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And I think in any of these stories, when the families just turn their pain

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to rage and then to action,

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I feel like that's kind of a process,

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but that who knows if any of us went through like what it would be.

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I think, you know, if you just lay in bed, it's fine. I think we said this before.

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Like if you just lay in bed and you get up and shower, that's also fine.

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You're a rock star. You're doing awesome. but the families

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that you know just try and turn something

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positive into it it's it's great yeah and that's the story i loved it all right

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cheers cheers second beer hey no big deal which one do i talk about there's

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so many i'll talk about this one i have wicked weed brewing what is this Yes, Perrin.

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Perrin. Oh, wait. Jesus Christ.

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Perrin, but then it says Perinicious. Pernicious. Pernicious.

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I don't know. It's an IPA from Wicked Weed Brewing. Thank you very much.

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It's lovely. I don't like the super bitter IPAs. I can't do...

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People say too many hops, but it's not the hops that make it bitter.

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I don't like the IBUs being too high.

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Hops are fine, different tastes of hops. But I feel like the IBUs on this have to be somewhere below.

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I don't know what it is, but it has to be somewhere below like the 60 range

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because I don't typically go higher than that. Nice. I like it. Okay, cool.

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I pair as well with cakes. cakes christmas tree

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cakes everyone that i finished devoured in the telling of that story i've got

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tropical beer hugs it's an imperial ipa from goose island beer company zach

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if you're listening all of this beer is from your beer french 9.9 so thank you for that uh.

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It's more a beach vacation for your taste buds i feel like that's a stretch

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i mean it's very good I think it's it's very drinkable it doesn't taste like

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it's 9.9 percent so anytime that occurs.

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Cheers to you yes you know but you don't it's also

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not one you'd want to drink at the beach right no no

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no I'd want to have like a salsa or light beer yeah I

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think that's a that's a bit of a swing and a miss

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maybe my taste buds are

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at the beach but even then you know but but yeah

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I mean it's a cute can it's pretty it's very

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it draws your eye in and overall it is

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it's like teal it has a bear on it with sunglasses he's

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cute yeah so anyway it's drinkable it's delicious

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so very nice yeah here we are yeah so

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what'd you think i liked it i feel like

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i might have once you started describing the

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story i might have heard it on uh one of those shows 2020 maybe

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maybe 2020 2020 I've been falling

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asleep to that recently nice bedtime

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stories oh man soothe me to sleep but

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I I agree with you that I just feel like

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you should be able to be carefree no matter what age you are I mean she was

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in college and this was you're not a real adult yet kind of you know so she's

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she's visiting her family she's hanging out with her boyfriend felt the safest like the The safest.

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That's what gets me. She was less than a mile from her grandparents' house.

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Oh, my God. That's disgusting. Less than a mile. That's the safest you feel. Mm-hmm. On a bicycle. On a bicycle.

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Wild i couldn't imagine that i used to go stay at my grandparents

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in connecticut and my grandma's neighborhood like

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we used i i know that neighborhood like the back of my hand it

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feels so safe and i it's so

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crazy yeah it's really upsetting i don't even know but it's these types of stories

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like i said that really draws in because you wonder like how could i make this

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more safe yes what could i have done what could have ciara done different not

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that that she did anything wrong. No. But like, how could her mom, or like, how could we prevent,

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any of this, from happening? Like, what could we do better?

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And, the assholes, who do these crimes, are the, are the people that,

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make you think like, they should be doing better.

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Like, we should just be able to live our lives. But you end up with that, as a takeaway. Mm-hmm.

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Because, we know they're not going to change, because they don't care.

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They're narcissistic. They just, they don't want to change. They think they're fine.

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Yeah. And, we so we end up

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being like what can we do to avoid you because

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we know you're out there and you're fine living safer so

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that i think that's why sometimes these laws come

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up because they don't want another family to feel that pain even though none

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of these people could have done anything differently it was kind of just like

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wrong place wrong time or they were being stalked and you know you don't know

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these things when it's happening it's so we don't know if he lived there if he just...

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It was like crime of opportunity. Had he watched Sierra before?

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Like nobody? He lived nearby and I think truly this was a crime of opportunity.

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I really do. Yeah. I think he was just riding by.

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But what about the room? Nothing else was ever tied to him? So he...

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You don't build a room and then just be like, okay, waiting for my...

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So he had that one case, the victim that testified. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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And then there was another woman who was a sex worker and she went missing and

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she was potentially tied to him, but they never found her body and they could

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never tie that to him officially.

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Okay. He ended up telling his social worker or counselor,

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who he was probably court mandated to go see, that the next person he would

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do this to he would bury and cr was buried wow.

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So it's like there's no

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rehabilitation for this person there's not you

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know sometimes we say with some people they they don't belong in jail but some

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people do and he does because there's no getting better you don't want to get

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better you're you're too it's just this darkness that That you can't get out

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of. You don't deserve to be around society. Right. The rest of us. Yeah. Yeah, you're not safe.

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But then that's hard because how do you know the people that are acting like

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they want to get better? And then the people that I feel like you just know. I don't know.

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I don't know. And that's what let him out early. Oh, God.

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That's what let him out early. Three years and a four to ten year sentence.

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I mean, I don't know. No, there's so many questions because it's like there

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are people out there who are let out early and don't mess up again.

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Right. So it's just, yeah, it's just horrible.

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Well, I feel like if you kill maliciously with malicious intent,

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not, you know, negligent homicide, not anything like that.

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But if you are like first degree murder and they find that you planned it out,

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you had the intent, you probably just shouldn't come out. I don't know. Yeah.

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Unless it was like a domestic abuse situation.

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I don't know. God. I know. Well, that's not for us to determine today. So many loopholes.

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Okay. We're never going to solve this, but we'll figure it out. Yeah. One of these days.

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But thank you for listening. Keep listening. And remember to...

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Music.