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Well, you might think there is nothing

2:27

to do in Fresno,

2:30

California, but Cory

2:32

Erdman is not one of those people that

2:35

believes there's nothing to do. Corey Yosemite.

2:38

Erdman is joining

2:40

me here in person on the podcast. Corey

2:42

will be on the MIC on Saturday

2:45

for the Jose Ramirez rants Barthelomy

2:47

headline show live onto his own

2:50

Before then, though, he'll be puttering

2:52

around Yosemite National Park.

2:54

Is that right, Corey? If I'm lucky, I'm

2:56

definitely gonna make it to Sierra National Forests.

2:58

Like, what do you mean there's nothing to do here in Fresno.

3:00

Oh, I'm just simply saying no. The I

3:02

didn't say it. I said that. The perception is

3:05

you go to Fresno's nothing to do. You would

3:07

disagree with that perception. I would strongly disagree

3:09

with that. First of all, this is this is like the capital

3:11

of America. Neighbor bills, as

3:14

Jose Ramirez would tell you, plus there's

3:16

just serenity and beauty and

3:18

a target right across.

3:20

There is a target across the street,

3:22

which you have already frequented, and now

3:24

we headed over there right after we're

3:26

done recording.

3:27

But we are here in Fresno, big.

3:29

Fight, big event this weekend, A lot to

3:31

get into, Corey and I want to just touch on

3:33

briefly at the top the

3:35

lawsuit that I just read

3:37

today that was filed I

3:40

guess it's a counter complaint. One was filed by

3:42

Derek James no

3:45

towards Errol Spence, ERL Spence. I'm

3:47

probably getting the language wrong, but countersuit

3:50

him.

3:52

It's an interesting read, to say the least.

3:53

What it boils down to is

3:56

Derek James believes that

3:58

he is owed ten percent

4:01

of what Errol Spence made

4:05

on the entirety of the Terrence Crawford

4:07

fight.

4:07

Believes he's owed.

4:09

Everything that every nickel that Errol

4:11

Spence made in that fight. Derek

4:13

James believes he's owed ten percent of it. Errol

4:15

Spence as counter and said, no, no, no, you're

4:17

owed what the contract says, which

4:20

is two point five million, which is the minimum that a guy

4:22

gets for this fight. So Derek James believes

4:24

he's owed that he also

4:27

has discovered it seems that he has

4:29

not been properly paid for the previous

4:31

pay per views, has not gotten his piece of the upside

4:34

of the fight against Danny Garcia, Mikey

4:36

Garcia. There's a couple others there

4:38

in that mix. Kind

4:40

of an ugly ending between a longtime

4:43

fighter and tran Remember, you know, Derek

4:45

James had Arrow from the very beginning. You

4:47

know, he had him trained him leading up to the Olympics,

4:50

coached him from his first pro fight up

4:52

until now. And it seems now Corey,

4:54

we've reached the point in o return with these two.

4:56

Yeah, it's a it is a sad

4:58

ending and I

5:00

don't like hearing these stories either, and

5:02

I think that it's there's

5:05

a lot of kind of sadness I think in

5:07

Aerospence's life over the last little while.

5:09

You know, obviously the loss of Crawford and then everything

5:11

previous to that just seems like things

5:13

are kind of spiraling a little bit. I hope that's not

5:16

the case. This kind of

5:18

speaks to another issue that I was thinking

5:20

about on the way over too, which kind

5:22

of ties into Garcia

5:24

and Haney. And some of the reporting of

5:26

kind of the earnings of those fights. And it's

5:29

I don't believe much that no, of course,

5:31

but it's I guess like this speaks to kind

5:34

of the finances in boxing these days

5:36

too, where no one really knows

5:38

what anyone is getting paid. And perhaps

5:40

Derek James felt that he was on the outside with

5:42

regards to what his own fighter was getting paid.

5:45

I mean, it's ultimately, I

5:48

think the contract and what is on paper will

5:50

will obviously win out. That's how these lawsuits

5:52

work. But the bad to be

5:54

clear, they have nothing on paper between the two,

5:57

right, I haven't read the law was. I had

5:59

no idea they have an oral agreement

6:01

right that Derek James gets ten percent of

6:03

what person make, Yes, okay, right?

6:05

Right?

6:06

And the interpretation of what you make is

6:08

wide open. Now, Look, I'm of the belief that

6:11

there's a middle ground here, right, Like, is

6:13

Derek James entitled to two point five million of a twenty

6:15

five million dollar person? Probably not that that

6:18

feels like in excessive amount.

6:20

Is he owed more than the three hundred and fifty thousand dollars

6:22

that he was paid?

6:23

Probably? You know, is he worth a million bucks

6:25

to him? Yeah, the guy's been with him from the very

6:27

beginning. Look, we see this a lot.

6:29

I've had this conversation in the past with

6:31

Freddie Roach, who's had conversations

6:34

with Manny Pacio before

6:36

his fights or before their fights, where

6:39

they discussed what he would make. It wouldn't

6:41

be a traditional you know, ten percent. Ten

6:43

percent is applicable, you know when you're fighting

6:45

off pay per view. Ten percent is less applicable

6:47

when situations like this where the

6:50

minimum is the minimum. But then who knows what

6:52

the fight could be worried.

6:52

If I recall, Freddy would just get like a flat fee, right,

6:55

you're getting this amount, And I think Robert Garcia was

6:57

doing something similar around the time

6:59

too. Yeah, I mean I think that's the middle

7:01

ground. And then, look, they're not going to meet it. This

7:04

will wind up playing itself out in court.

7:06

There's a whole bunch of text mess I encourage people to find the lawsuit

7:08

and read it. It's interesting to read, to say the

7:10

least, which certainly

7:13

you finish reading it and you

7:15

don't believe there's going to be a reconciliation between these

7:17

two. I think they're pretty well done. So

7:19

we'll talk more about that as it develops, but pretty

7:22

clear as Aero Spence comes back, he

7:24

will have a new trainer in his corner for the first

7:26

time in his pro career. All right, let's

7:29

look back a little bit on this

7:32

past weekend. Devin Haney, Ryan Garcia.

7:33

We've had some days now to digest

7:36

the end results still of an

7:38

epic night, thrilling performance by

7:41

Ryan Garcia. You were there sitting

7:44

ringside. You call it the undercard of that

7:46

fight. Tell me what you were thinking as

7:48

as that fight developed.

7:50

My mind has changed so much on

7:53

like just over the last seven days or so, because

7:55

I going into the fight, quite honestly,

7:58

I was of the belief that, like

8:00

I was a little uncomfortable with

8:03

the fight. And I know that's a little weird saying

8:05

that as a guy that's calling fights for his own and whatnot,

8:07

but I was. I was uncomfortable seeing how

8:09

Ryan was behaving and that he was

8:11

allowed to participate. Like it didn't

8:13

leave me with a good feeling going into the fight. This

8:15

is because of the mental health health,

8:18

yes, exactly, and obviously I didn't

8:20

know what was going on and still

8:22

clearly don't know what was going on after

8:26

the fight. I was obviously

8:28

as shocked as everyone that the result was what

8:30

it was, But in the immediate

8:33

aftermath, I still felt

8:35

like the reaction was, oh,

8:38

he won, so everything is okay.

8:40

And I wasn't fully comfortable

8:43

with that either, Like, I don't think

8:45

that just because Ryan Garcia

8:47

won, that that means that he's

8:50

all right, and that everything that we saw beforehand

8:53

was necessarily, you know, you

8:55

know, a fake or an act.

8:58

But then the other day, you

9:00

know, I saw the podcast clip of Ryan saying,

9:02

oh, like I perpetrated the whole thing,

9:04

this was all an act. There's there's a video of me

9:07

saying was at all an act? You know, in

9:09

the moments right after the fight, Chris, when you

9:11

were talking to him, he

9:13

kind of let on like, oh, you know, I'm not actually

9:15

crazy, But then he was still behaving the same

9:17

way. He hadn't let the act go if

9:20

it was an act. So I like, either,

9:23

you know, Ryan Garcia is like an

9:25

Andy Kaufman level method actor

9:29

with a comfort level in kind

9:31

of trafficking and dangering conspiracies,

9:34

or there is actually something going on, you

9:36

know, Like I I really

9:38

still don't know what to think. But hell of a performance,

9:41

though, But underneath all of that I don't.

9:43

I don't know that I have a fully formed opinion. I

9:46

think there's definitely stuff going on.

9:48

I mean, at his post vice press conference,

9:50

he said, I drank all

9:52

week, I went out early in the week.

9:55

You know, this was stuff he admitted to. He said

9:57

he wasn't proud of it, but he said that

9:59

was it was. And if

10:02

you are behaving that way prior

10:04

to your fight, there's

10:07

something going on there. There's something

10:09

happening with Ryan Garcia.

10:11

Neither one of us are doctors, were not psychiatrists.

10:13

We can't diagnose him. But the idea that this was

10:16

all, you know, schadenfreud,

10:18

that this was all just a setup, that

10:20

we were all supposed to believe that

10:23

this wasn't happening, I'm not entirely

10:25

buying into that altogether. I

10:27

wanted to dive into the

10:30

Haney side of all this because the

10:32

longer I've thought about this, the

10:34

more blame

10:37

I place on the shoulders of Bill Haney.

10:43

Look, Bill

10:45

Haney was the twenty

10:47

twenty three Boxing Writers Manager of

10:49

the Year, had a banner year as

10:51

a manager. I don't think

10:53

he managed his client well

10:56

going into this fight. When

10:59

Ryangara rolled in

11:02

three point whatever, pounds overweight.

11:04

An option for Bill Haney and

11:06

for Devon was to cancel

11:09

the fight or conceivably shoven

11:12

Artoll Barboza into that main event, which is something

11:14

that's been talked about, you know, over the last couple

11:16

of months. Bill Handy didn't do

11:18

that. There was probably

11:20

an opening to attach a rehydration

11:23

clause to the new contract

11:26

that was made Bill Haney, the

11:28

Handy side, they didn't do that. I

11:31

think that's a failure. Look, a lot

11:33

of it's on the fighter. He's ultimately going

11:35

to make the decision. Bill has often said Devin

11:37

is the boss, but the

11:40

fighter is always gonna want to fight man, and

11:43

a fighter that cuts down in weight like that,

11:46

that went through hell to get to one forty,

11:49

he's not gonna say scrap the fight.

11:50

He's gonna You know, there's almost.

11:52

A when you're trying to cut that

11:54

much weight, there's almost a madicness that takes hold of you

11:56

because you're so depleted, you're so

11:59

ready, you're so rhymed. Like the idea

12:01

of canceling a fight, he doesn't even register with you

12:03

at that time. And obviously Devin was supremely

12:05

confident during that fight

12:08

week. That's where I think Bill Haney

12:11

needed to be the manager, the

12:14

trainer, and to some extent the father. Bill

12:16

Haney should have said, no

12:19

fight, three point two pounds is

12:21

a big number that like people can dismiss

12:23

that. It's not I've heard like Robert Garcia,

12:25

we're gonna see this week, and I was watching a YouTube clip

12:27

of something he said.

12:28

He's like, you're crazy.

12:30

If you think three point two pounds is not a

12:32

massive amount of weight to in a

12:34

fight like that. Not

12:36

attaching the rehydration clause was

12:39

a miss like forcing Ryan

12:41

to suffer, like there was some leverage there the Hainies

12:44

had in that moment. Ryan Garcia wanted

12:46

to get paid, Golden Boy wanted to get paid. They didn't want

12:48

to go through all this for nothing. Not attaching

12:50

a rehydration clause I

12:52

thought was a mistake. I thought there was a

12:55

level of arrogance on

12:58

the Hany side that ultimately

13:00

wound up cost them.

13:01

Am I being unfair with that? Do you think? It's

13:04

hard to say, because like you can see exactly

13:06

why they felt that way, because

13:09

we five minutes ago we were talking

13:11

about wholeheartedly believing that Ryan

13:13

Garcia was not okay, that they were going into

13:15

the ring against a man who was actively

13:18

drinking all the way up to the fight

13:20

and was dealing was in the throes

13:22

of mania. Like, I

13:25

can understand why they thought, don't

13:27

worry about it. I don't care that he's missing weight. We're

13:29

gonna go ahead with this fight. Obviously

13:31

there's pressure to go through with the fight too. If

13:34

you play the tape back and you knew everything

13:36

that you know, now, yeah, they could

13:38

have said, no way, we're not going

13:40

through the fight. It's Barbosa stepping in. HAINI

13:43

gets the win, and then Garcia is painted

13:45

as the the unprofessional bad guy,

13:48

uh promotion.

13:50

I've thought about that so many Like, you know,

13:53

rewind five days, six days, whatever

13:55

it was to Friday afternoon.

13:59

How different would the conversation be if

14:02

Devin Haney had been like, you know what, you didn't make the weight.

14:04

If you're not gonna fight for one hundred and forty pounds title, I'm

14:06

not fighting you like it.

14:08

You know, Ryan might have been finished.

14:09

That might have been the end for him to like to not

14:11

make a weight in a fight of

14:14

this importance, you

14:16

know, I get it. I just think that's where Bill

14:19

Haney should have had.

14:21

A more level. Head.

14:22

I don't expect Devin in that moment, David lelhead.

14:24

Look, I was messing with him all week long. I was

14:26

asking him about the weights, and look, if he blows the weight, what's

14:28

gonna happen? He said, you know what, whatever, I'll take

14:30

his money. That I'm not I'm gonna knock him out.

14:33

So clearly confidence in Devin

14:35

Haney in that moment. Bill

14:37

Haney either needed to he

14:41

needed to make a better decision or have some more experience

14:44

tell him like, hey, not

14:46

a good idea here. Look, I know you think Ryan's

14:48

crazy, but look Ryan is still powerful no matter

14:50

what you thought of where he was at mentally,

14:54

he's still a power puncher with one of the best

14:56

left hooks we have in boxing today,

14:58

maybe the best left hook in boxing.

15:00

I just.

15:02

Again, you're right, hindsight is twenty

15:04

twenty. It's easy to look back right now. But in

15:07

that moment, the guy that's

15:09

purported to be the best manager in boxing, at least he

15:11

was last year, should have managed

15:14

his client better. Do you think, and I'm gonna follow

15:16

this back at you, do you think an element of

15:18

this is Bill

15:20

and Tim Haney not like

15:23

wanting to be the anti Tank, because

15:25

there is that kind especially over the last six

15:27

months or so, they've really kind of taken aim

15:30

at the Mayweather camp at Javonte

15:33

Davis. And do you think

15:35

in the back of their mind they wanted to be the

15:38

guys that said, I'm not.

15:40

Going to force Garcia into anything. We're gonna give him

15:42

whatever he wants, and we're still gonna beat him.

15:44

Do you think that they were motivated maybe

15:47

by trying to prove a point in that way, in

15:49

thinking they were gonna go through the fight, they're gonna get the win,

15:51

and hey, we beat him in a way the Tank didn't.

15:54

Maybe.

15:55

I just think that by Wednesday,

15:58

when they got a good look at Ryan and look,

16:01

Ryan stood right next to me in the ring

16:03

at Gleason's gym, you knew in

16:05

that moment, and we talked about in that moment he

16:07

wasn't gonna make weight. He looked like a junior

16:10

middleweight on Wednesday cut down to one forty

16:12

three and change. You knew though

16:15

he was not gonna make weight. I just think they believed

16:18

wholeheartedly at that point that there was nothing

16:20

Ryan Garcia could bring to the table that

16:23

that they couldn't deal with you know, I

16:25

think they believe they'd beat him down, they'd make

16:27

him quit. Look, and there was a time during that fight where

16:29

I thought that might actually happen. I mean,

16:31

the first round was the first round, great moment for Ryan

16:33

Garcia, but you get into the fifth and all of a sudden,

16:36

like this looks just like Regi's prograde, Like that's what I think

16:38

I said on that on the air, Like this looks like Devin's

16:40

walking him down. Landed a big left hook in one of those

16:42

rounds up, so I can see that,

16:46

you know where they came up with that, But

16:48

uh, it

16:51

was it was too It was over confidence. It

16:53

was over confidence at the point of arrogance, and it cost them

16:55

in that fight.

16:56

Yeah, and again like to

16:58

what degree is it forgivable? Though? Like if

17:00

all of us, if literally everyone was fooled

17:02

by this, why do they not get

17:05

the same?

17:05

Girl?

17:05

Like I understand on the weight issue, I think that you probably

17:08

should have been firmer on that weight issue. Although

17:10

you know, one point five million dollars, assuming

17:12

that is true, is pretty you know

17:15

whatever, I would have said, you know, you know what, Like, but in

17:17

that moment, Corey, like you have so much leverage,

17:19

like I would have said a million dollars a pound, Like you want to

17:21

fight three million dollars, that's how much's gonna

17:24

cost. What what's the danger?

17:25

Like?

17:26

Look, and I'm I'm not a fighter. I didn't go through an

17:28

entire training camp to train for this, for this big

17:30

moment.

17:31

But there's nothing that

17:36

Devin Handy would not have faced criticism if

17:38

he backed out of that fight at that moment. Three point two

17:40

pounds is three point two pounds. I said this in the air, and

17:43

people I remember, certain social

17:45

media writers, certain writers write for certain

17:47

publications, crapped on me on the air for

17:49

saying that Ryan Garcia him

17:52

missing weight on Friday, was disappointed,

17:55

was unprofessional, but it had nothing to do

17:57

with how he was gonna fight on Saturday. In fact, Ryan

18:00

see it was probably better off

18:02

for blowing through that weight as a fighter in

18:04

the ring. You gotta know that.

18:07

I just feel like you gotta.

18:08

Know that if you're the trainer, the

18:10

manager of the fighter, and

18:12

and again, look, it's easy for us sit here and do it and Thursday

18:15

morning quarterback.

18:16

But that that's kind

18:18

of where I'm.

18:19

At with with with the Hainy side

18:21

of all this that they should have done more.

18:23

Cancel rehidration clause, ask

18:25

for more month. I don't know what it would be, you know, but they I

18:28

think they should have done more.

18:28

No, but you're right, I mean, because there's different ways,

18:31

there's different types of missing weight. And

18:33

I've been thinking about this too, because there's one,

18:36

you know, there's one instance in which you miss

18:38

weaight and you you really like you killed

18:40

yourself trying to get down there and you missweait. Obviously

18:43

that's gonna have a deleterious

18:45

effect on your performance

18:47

in the ring. Then there's this way, which

18:49

is just opting seemingly not to make

18:51

way. Ryan Garcia clearly knew he wasn't gonna

18:53

make that way. It was it was an option. And

18:56

it brings to mind another discussion too,

18:58

because I haven't heard because

19:01

I think that we're were really caught up,

19:03

obviously in how phenomenal

19:05

that performance was by Garcia and how shocking

19:07

it was. And I've been

19:09

thinking about all the fighters

19:11

throughout history that have genuinely

19:14

tried to make weight and haven't made

19:16

weight. And the

19:18

immediate the pattern in immediate aftermath

19:20

is number one. You know, here

19:23

come the out of shape and like fat jokes generally

19:25

about like one hundred and twenty two pound fighters with like three

19:27

percent body fat, and then

19:29

they're unprofessional they don't respect the sport.

19:32

But here we have and I'm you know, whether

19:35

it's Ryan Garcia or whatever. In the instance

19:37

of someone whether it's Ryan or Floyd, someone

19:40

deliberately missing weight strategically,

19:43

I don't hear unprofessionalism

19:45

really being tossed around all that much with it.

19:47

It's just like this genius tactic. But

19:50

on the flip side, it's unprofessionalism. Like

19:53

if I had someone like put it in

19:55

another realm, if I had someone that

19:57

was, you know, racing

19:59

to get to work and they were late and they showed up late

20:01

for work, or if I had someone that

20:04

called in and said, you know what, fuck it, I'm coming

20:06

in an hour late. Go ahead

20:09

and take it out of my paycheck. I don't care, I'm gonna

20:11

come in. Which employee would

20:13

you label as being trustworthy

20:15

and professional? Not the latter? Right?

20:17

Yeah? Is it interesting the way?

20:20

And I think it's just because it was

20:22

so wacky and so fascinating that we just

20:24

we don't feel like having that discussion. It's not fun.

20:27

Yeah, I mean, to me, a lesson should

20:29

have been learned from the Corrals Castillo two fight.

20:32

You know, Kralos Castile one one of the greatest fights in

20:34

recent boxing history. This the rematch

20:38

Castillo blueweight by three and a half pounds, and

20:40

the fourth round of that fight, he knocked Corrals

20:42

cold. Now, maybe he does that regardless, but

20:45

maybe not having to shrink your way down to one

20:47

point thirty five deplete yourself gave him

20:49

a little bit more when he got into the ring and able

20:51

to land that type of shot. That's always gonna

20:53

be a great what if when it comes to this fight.

20:55

While all that being said, this

20:58

fight needs a rematch.

21:01

I don't know how many times we have to say it. I don't

21:03

know if we have to scream it from the heavens. This

21:05

the best fight for both these guys in

21:08

their next fight, maybe one fight in between

21:10

whatever is going again. That's why I was

21:12

disappointed to see Oscar de la Hoya

21:15

on Devin Haney's Instagram, I guess

21:17

saying that there was not gonna be a rematch between

21:21

Haiti and Garcia.

21:21

That doesn't make any sense to me.

21:23

I mean, look, I don't know what

21:25

the pay per view buys were for the first fight.

21:27

I genuinely don't, but whatever they were,

21:30

they're probably gonna be three times bigger the

21:32

second time around, because look,

21:35

the fight was great in the ring, it was compelling, it was

21:37

a buzz of social media, were talking about it for days

21:39

afterwards.

21:40

But that doesn't matter when it comes to pay per view.

21:41

What matters what people think it's gonna be right,

21:44

and nobody believed going to that fight it

21:46

was gonna be competitive. The odds went from eight to one, nine

21:48

to one, ten to one in favorite Devin Handy.

21:50

When you see that, you're not inclined to

21:52

press the buy button and spend seventy

21:54

seventy five eighty bucks whatever it was for

21:57

that fight. The rematch massive

21:59

number. I think the rematch could

22:01

push a million pay per view bys if promoted

22:03

properly, if done in the right location,

22:07

I think the rematch could do a million pay per view buys.

22:09

I can't see a fight out there for either one of them that

22:12

does that. I mean, Ryan's, you know, talking about

22:14

junior middleweights. Now he's talking about Sebastian

22:16

Mondora. I know we're gonna talk

22:18

about Sebastian Mundoora in a minute, but he's

22:20

talking about Aero Spence because of the Derk James

22:22

stuff. Look, he's gonna move

22:24

up to welterweight.

22:25

We know that.

22:28

What's kind of sexy in the welterweight division.

22:30

He's clearly not gonna fight Bouttennis. We saw

22:33

the look in his father's face when Eddie

22:35

Hearn brought that up, which

22:37

I don't disagree with part

22:39

of that. Connor Ben kind of interested me a little

22:41

bit, I guess. But Haini Garcia

22:44

too, is a huge event

22:46

that both these guys should be instructing

22:49

their teams to make sooner rather than later.

22:51

This one was a huge I agree. I think

22:53

that the rematch is the fight to do. And

22:55

who knows what Oscar is thinking. Maybe he's

22:57

suggesting that there isn't gonna be a rematch to try and

22:59

get some kind of like negotiating leverage or

23:01

something. Who knows, But I think that this is

23:03

the fight to make. I think you run it right

23:05

back. And even in this one, even

23:08

with all of like the doubt about,

23:10

you know, the seeming certainty that this

23:12

wasn't gonna be competitive, when you got

23:14

there, when you were in the arena, it

23:17

felt like a big fight. The energy in the

23:19

arena felt different. Our

23:22

live stream, like the Undercard

23:25

on YouTube, did one point five million

23:28

views. You know, that's an astronomical

23:30

number for a lot of card. It's a lot

23:33

of people that are curious about the fight. On

23:35

fight night, It's gonna say a lot of Curguy Derevin Shanko

23:37

fans, I would imagine, so right Ukraine

23:39

stand a lot of Von Alexander fans, a lot of

23:42

I think the buzz. The buzz was big, and I think

23:44

a buzz even this time, So think about it the

23:47

second time.

23:47

And look, I love New York City.

23:49

I would like to see more fights in New York City. This

23:51

to me feels like a Vegas fight. You do it again, you

23:53

do it a T mobile, MGM, Grand whatever.

23:56

In Vegas, I think you

23:58

sell out that building in a heartbeat

24:01

and it's a major event.

24:02

Yeah, and look, it could have hit a different

24:04

level in New York and the way that I know

24:06

that it can. I didn't see any bootleg T shirts

24:08

being sold on the sus That's

24:11

how you know a level.

24:13

And look, to be honest, I think Ryan owes it to

24:15

Devon. I do look,

24:18

Devin is responsible for Devon. He agreed

24:20

to take the fight. The money was transferred, however much

24:22

that was, so it's not cheating like

24:24

I've seen some people suggest.

24:26

Devon agreed to it. He got in the ring. What happened

24:29

happened.

24:29

But you know, if you're Ryan Garcia,

24:32

you know you kind of did Devin

24:34

Haney what Tank Davis did to you,

24:36

Like you handicapped him a little bit, right. Devon

24:38

struggled to get down to one forty. You didn't,

24:41

and you reaped the benefits of it in the ring.

24:43

I think to a degree, Corey he

24:45

owes Devon a rematch.

24:47

Yeah, but you know, in his new character

24:49

as this like devious mastermind, does

24:52

he care that he owes anyone anything? I don't

24:54

know, probably not.

24:56

But you know, I also don't think there's a

24:58

market for Sean O'Malley in a

25:00

crossover type of fight.

25:01

Yeah, probably not. Although shout out to Sean O'Malley.

25:03

I did go to his Cold Plunge place in Phoenix's

25:06

that's really good information that I'm sure there you go

25:08

go check it out, the Art of Recovery in Phoenix,

25:11

Arizona.

25:11

Maybe he goes up to welter Way. There's not a lot of big names

25:13

there. Maybe Devin Hante doesn't want an immediate

25:16

rematch. There's the mandatory against

25:18

Sando Martin out there, which is challenging

25:21

in different ways, but not one that you can expect

25:23

to take any kind of punishment in, so

25:26

to speak. So maybe there's a fight

25:28

for him in between. But by

25:30

this time next year, we got to see the rematch.

25:32

We got to see it.

25:33

That's too good a fight. A hell if Devin wins

25:36

trilogy, bring it on. That's

25:38

one of the things I love about these

25:40

guys fighting at this point in their careers

25:43

twenty five years old to two of them. It sets up multiple

25:45

fights down the rude. Too often we

25:47

get Paquiel Maywe at the very end,

25:49

Spence Crawford at the very end. We got these guys

25:52

just hitting their physical prime where

25:55

you can easily see them having multiple fights,

25:57

big fights that could define

25:59

their careers. So I hope we get some of

26:01

that.

26:02

All right.

26:02

So this week I was in New York for

26:04

the announcement of the first RIODD

26:07

season card in the US.

26:10

Turkey Ala Chic and the Saudi officials

26:13

responsible for RIODD season are

26:15

moving the show into Southern

26:17

California in Los Angeles, and they're leading

26:20

off with a big fight

26:22

in the junior middleweight division. Terrence Crawford number

26:24

one pound for pound, We'll take on Israel

26:26

Madramoff at the top of that card.

26:28

Madro of course a one hundred and fifty

26:31

four pound title hold. The rest of the card, Corey

26:33

is insane. You have got Virgil

26:35

Lortiz going up against Tim

26:37

zu It's assuming that Rotez gets through Thomas DeLorme

26:40

this week, and Andy Ruiz Durell Miller that's

26:42

crossover heavyweight fight, Isa Cruz

26:45

against Jose Valenzuela.

26:46

That's a good fight. At one point.

26:49

Andy Cruz is on that card.

26:51

David Morrel is on that card.

26:53

It's just fully loaded top to bottom.

26:55

And this is kind of continuation of

26:59

what the Audi's are trying

27:01

to do, not just put on an event

27:03

with a big main event, but putting

27:05

on events that have a whole bunch of

27:07

fights on it that could be their own main event on some level.

27:10

Yeah, it is raising the

27:12

bar for everyone else because almost

27:14

all of those fights that you just mentioned in

27:17

a normal world could headline a broadcast

27:19

on his own on ESPN on almost

27:21

anywhere else like basically, with the exception of

27:23

Andy Cruz, Antonio Moran. You

27:26

could place any of those fights in a

27:28

main event somewhere and it would feel acceptable.

27:31

And so I'm wondering kind of like

27:33

what this More

27:36

so than I'm wondering kind of like what is

27:38

the end game of you know,

27:40

Saudi involvement in American cards,

27:43

is like what will this do for the industry at

27:45

large? Does this again raise

27:47

the bar? Does this make other promoters

27:49

try and match like that

27:52

level of talent on a card

27:54

or is it just assumed that this

27:56

is at a price point that most people can't or

27:59

don't want to men and you just

28:01

can't do that. That's that's kind

28:03

of where you go to bring your fighters to get

28:05

the big payday. But otherwise it's business

28:07

as usual. I'm curious about what

28:10

standard this sets for the sport. Yeah,

28:13

I think it's it's a positive

28:15

that these fights are taking

28:18

place in the US, these types

28:20

of cards are in the US because

28:23

as great as the Day of Reckoning

28:25

was and the Fury and Ghanu show

28:27

was, and the Joshuan Ghanu show was, because

28:31

of their location and because

28:33

of the time zones, like, the

28:35

audience wasn't big, it wasn't and

28:37

it was never going to be big because it's

28:39

really difficult to get a US audience

28:41

to tune in to a fight at five o'clock

28:44

in the afternoon and even and the live audience

28:46

has a very different vibe that

28:48

just doesn't resonate with the the North American

28:51

viewer quite the same. Exactly like this fight in

28:53

LA.

28:54

You're gonna have Crawford fans there, but

28:56

you're gonna have is Sakkruz fans

28:59

there. We saw many fans he drew to Vegas for

29:01

his last fight. You're gonna have Andy

29:03

Ruiz, Durell Miller type fans there.

29:05

You're gonna have a lot of fans of different types

29:08

that are going to probably sell out

29:10

that stadium August in LA.

29:12

That's pretty nice night to go out and watch boxing.

29:15

So I think that's that's

29:18

the development of all this that I think is the

29:20

most positive is that we're having these fights

29:22

in the US, These mega cards are taking

29:24

place on US soil where

29:27

you know they have a chance to have a greater level

29:29

of exposure. And look, I love the

29:32

Crawford Madromoff fight. Like Madromoff probably

29:35

was not on the top of Crawford's list six months

29:37

ago when he was calling out Canelo, and he was

29:39

looking at Tim Zou and then maybe he was gonna

29:41

fight Sebastian Vandora. All

29:43

those things fell by the wayside. So now

29:45

he gets Madromoff, who.

29:47

Is really freaking good, like really

29:50

good, decorated amateur, just had

29:52

a one sided destruction in his last fight

29:54

against what Maga Mt Kerbanoff to win

29:57

his world title.

29:58

Uh.

29:59

You know, Crawford's first fight at one fifty four,

30:02

This won't be easy, Corey.

30:04

No, it's not a cake walk, and if

30:06

it is, it speaks to how great

30:08

we think Terrence Crawford is. You know, he's

30:12

he's a special operator. And

30:14

if he can dominate Modromov,

30:17

even though Madromov may not be a big name to a

30:19

lot of people, it may not resonate with the casual

30:22

audience. If if he goes in there and destroys

30:24

Modramov, it will mean

30:26

something to the hardcore fans as

30:28

well. And it's it's listen.

30:30

It's a fascinating entry point to a new division

30:33

for him. And it also gives Crawford,

30:36

uh, the opportunity really to

30:39

have this kind of like mega show, you

30:41

know, a stadium show where he's the headliner,

30:43

which is something that

30:46

he hasn't He's he hasn't yet had

30:48

the opportunity to do. But as

30:50

the top pound for pound fighter in the sport,

30:53

arguably is if if

30:55

boxing were a meritocracy, that's

30:57

what you deserve, right and and so in

30:59

comes this entity that makes it so, and

31:02

in that regard that that's

31:04

obviously a positive.

31:05

Right.

31:06

Yeah, I think madromov Is is a

31:08

good opponent, right, Like he's well trained,

31:10

He's part of that. Antonio Diaz, Joel Diaz

31:12

camp I favorite Crawford

31:14

going into the fight, but uh, when

31:17

I think of the toughest tests of Crawford's career,

31:19

it's probably.

31:20

Gonna be right up there. It's probably right up there. The madrov

31:22

is twenty nine years old. He is a career long junior

31:24

middleweight. There are not the questions around

31:26

him that there were Aerol Spence

31:29

for example, in his last fight, or guys like

31:31

you know, Julius and Dongo at one and

31:34

some of the other guys that Jeff Horn like, they were not He

31:36

wasn't limited in that way. He's a really

31:38

really talented fighter, strong fighter,

31:40

heavy handed. It's gonna be a great fight headlining

31:43

that card. The fight though I'm kind of sneaky.

31:45

Most excited about though, is this Ortiz

31:47

Zoo fight. Like this is like

31:50

we say this lost kind of a cliche, but Rock'm

31:52

soccer robot that that's kind of what what I feel

31:54

like. That fight is going to devolve to Tim

31:57

Zuo. We know, you know, top level guy at

31:59

one fifty four pro probably would have won

32:01

that fight against the baste Mondor if his

32:03

head doesn't explode in the end of

32:05

the second round.

32:06

Uh.

32:06

And for T's it's a big jump

32:09

for him going into a fight like this. Look, he's

32:11

gonna have his second fight at one

32:13

fifty four on Saturday night. I

32:15

don't think it's a stretch to say that he's probably gonna

32:18

do well against Thomas de Lorrim. But Thomas de Lormi

32:20

his best days came at like one forty and then he

32:22

fought at one forty seven.

32:23

Like Virgil.

32:24

Ortiz is going to go into that fight against

32:26

Tim Zuo having never fought

32:28

a legit one fifty four, And that's

32:31

reason to be concerned, because Tim Zu was not just legit

32:33

one fifty four. But you're making a list of

32:35

the top guys that division. Before

32:38

that Fendora fight, he was probably at or near

32:40

the top.

32:40

Yeah, there were people arguing there was number one, you

32:42

know, and and if not for that head clash,

32:45

maybe people would still be saying that, right, I think they

32:47

would. He was landing some shots, Yeah, of

32:49

course, you know, you and I talked about it on the podcast

32:52

here that like, going into that fight,

32:54

I assumed that he was going to knock out Flendora,

32:56

and my mind really wasn't changed until

32:59

that blood really started gushing. It

33:02

definitely changes the dynamic of this weekend's

33:05

fight for Ortiz, not just because

33:07

the stakes are different, but because

33:09

there is something dangling there that Ortiz

33:12

needs to get to. It means he needs to get out of this fight

33:14

quickly and utterly unscathed. And so

33:16

if there were blast

33:18

out of their well, because there may

33:21

have been the idea of this other fight weren't on

33:23

the schedule, Virgil Ortiz

33:25

fought like you know, half around in

33:27

like three years. You know, maybe

33:29

you mess it. You know, he's fighting a guy that used

33:31

to be a sparring partner. You know, they know one another.

33:34

Maybe you get some rounds in and whatnot.

33:36

I don't think that's the case at all anymore. I think

33:38

that Virgil is out for destruction against

33:40

Alorme because he has to. It's

33:43

necessity at this point. But I love

33:45

this fight between Ortiz and

33:47

Zoo, not just because just stylistically

33:50

it's a good fight, but because of how

33:52

it was made too, just a respectful

33:54

call out from Ortiz basically

33:57

Spider Man meaning seeing

34:00

guy that that behaves and fights like him

34:02

and saying, I want to fight that guy

34:04

because I see a little bit of myself and him, and

34:06

it's gonna be a wicked fight. That's awesome.

34:09

You know, That's like I wish that would that would happen

34:11

more often. And you know, kudos

34:13

to to Virgil Ortiz for understanding

34:16

where he's at in his career, understanding

34:18

that he has some time to make up and making

34:20

those moves to make up for that time.

34:22

And this is another fight that I don't think

34:24

happens without uh

34:26

Turkey Ala Chic Saudi Arabia's

34:29

involvement, because look, Tim

34:31

Zou is not a PBC fighter, but he's fought a lot of PBC

34:34

cards over the last couple of years.

34:37

Virgil orts obviously Golden Boy aligned

34:39

with the Zone. It was crazy Cory being

34:41

at that press conference in New York seeing all the people

34:44

that are often that are rarely in the same

34:46

room, in the same room, Like I'm like saying

34:48

hello to Louis de Cubas while passing.

34:51

Eddie Hearn Sehn Gibbons is there and Keith Conley's

34:53

walking alongside him, like promoters,

34:56

managers, fighters that rarely

34:59

if ever find themselves on the

35:01

same cards are now mixed

35:04

together and for the

35:06

right fights in a big event.

35:07

Rio season is like the like the capit Bera of

35:09

box, everyone just sort of gathers

35:11

around and gathers around, brings up

35:14

together and puts on good fight. But I think the artiz

35:16

I was gonna steal the show. I think that is going to be uh

35:18

a war on August third. I'm looking forward

35:20

to it.

35:22

I have to say this though about this card, and

35:25

again I love the card. The sanctioning

35:27

bodies have glombed

35:30

their way on to this card, and they

35:32

have glommed their way on to

35:35

a lot of things over the last couple

35:37

of days and weeks. So the Crawford

35:39

Madromov fight is for

35:42

the WBA title. Madromovhones perfectly

35:44

fine. Madramuff has the belt. He's the real champion

35:46

Crawfords gonna fight.

35:47

For it now.

35:48

The WBO has attached

35:50

the interim belt to that fight.

35:53

I mean Sebastian Fandora's like

35:56

nose is still crooked, Like can we give the

35:58

guy a minute to heal before we hand

36:00

on interim title in his weight class?

36:02

That that was insane.

36:05

The zoo Ortez fight is

36:07

going to be for the WBA interim

36:10

title. Love Virgil

36:13

not fought a one P fifty four yet, Like,

36:15

what what is that all about? Like

36:17

the WBA jumping in to try to collect

36:20

a sanctioning fee on that fight.

36:22

Uh, nothing to do with that

36:24

card. But I also noticed that

36:27

the WBC has sanctioned

36:29

Adrian Bronner Blair Cobbs for

36:31

the WBC's People's Championship,

36:35

whatever the fuck that is. The WBA,

36:37

on that same card sanctioned Michael

36:39

Hunter cash as Cheney for its interim

36:42

heavyweight title. Meanwhile, on

36:45

May eighteenth, the undisputed

36:47

championship is going to be resolved

36:50

in Riadde, Saudi Arabia.

36:54

Let me just throw another one out there, because I've got a whole list of

36:56

things so I can't hit.

36:58

I was just like, it's all, it's all coming all in one and

37:00

this I found out in New York last week.

37:02

David Morrell Canelo's mandatory for like three

37:04

years, right, he had that goal the regular

37:06

championship for a number of years. Now he moves

37:09

up to one seventy five, and in that

37:11

moment, the WBA decides to make Edgar

37:13

Berlanga Canelo's mandatory, calls

37:15

him the mandatory. What happened with Dave Morrell was the

37:18

the quote unquote

37:20

mandatory, the next to the champion or whatever. But

37:22

what what are we doing with what these like?

37:25

I I enjoy everything

37:27

that the Saudis are doing

37:30

to to put these kind of cards

37:32

on. I would love it if they do a card that

37:35

has no sanctioned belts on the

37:37

line, have the Ring Magazine

37:39

championship on the line wherever it's applicable, everything

37:41

else, screw screw it. Do not let

37:44

them involve themselves. All they are doing

37:47

is taking money out of people's

37:49

pockets for titles that for

37:51

the most part are not real, like these

37:53

are not real belts, interim belts, uh

37:57

an interury to stop doing it, stop stop

37:59

taking stop allowing these

38:01

guys to infiltrate the sport

38:04

because they are dragging it down Corey.

38:06

They yeah, and and but they remain

38:08

These titles remain tempting to

38:11

promoters and to entities that are

38:13

putting on events because they still they

38:16

still mean something to someone. And and particularly

38:19

I think for the casual fans.

38:20

Have an interim title on the line on

38:22

the same and the WBC this a few

38:24

weeks ago.

38:25

The interim WBA one hundred

38:27

and fifty four pound title is on the line on the same card,

38:30

Like moments before the

38:33

main belt is being fought for,

38:35

the interim belt will be handled. It

38:38

just someone who was willing to pay the sanctioning feed. And

38:40

you know, some of these don't surprise

38:43

me, Like the the interim WBA

38:46

heavyweight title has basically belonged

38:48

to Don King for like fifteen years.

38:51

Like a lot of WBA weirdness

38:54

runs right through Don King, So

38:56

that doesn't shock me at all. Like,

38:58

but they're being like the People's

39:01

champion belt, But I mean,

39:03

obviously that's that's just for

39:05

Adrian Broner of all people. Is he the people's

39:08

champion. But the funny thing

39:10

is funny thing is I kind of sneaky, Like that fight,

39:13

that's a fun fight, fun build up as well.

39:15

Yeah, a lot of trash talk, like two guys that are

39:17

fringy kind of contenders. The winner

39:20

will probably get himself into a decent fight.

39:22

I actually don't mind the Hunter cash a Cheney

39:24

fight either. I think I actually like Kasher Cheney.

39:26

For a long time, Who's the main events had

39:28

at least one setback, and Hunter has been

39:31

the only lost on Michael Harry's career. As to

39:33

to.

39:33

Ou sick, right, yeah, I mean he

39:36

deserves like big fights. It just stop

39:38

attaching dumb titles to this, like.

39:40

I yeah, yeah, but yeah exactly.

39:43

But I mean it'll again, it'll be

39:45

a fun build up with the with Broner and Cobbs.

39:47

Won't be as fun as if we had about billions

39:50

on YouTube. But the uh,

39:52

the consolation prizes that we get Adrian Broner

39:55

on Inside Camp, Cunningham on YouTube,

39:57

that's the new reality series.

39:58

He got to watch that if it's excellent. He is listening

40:00

to the podcast. The let's start.

40:03

Let's let's start cleaning up the sport by getting the sanctioning

40:06

bodies out. They are just parasites

40:09

on this sport. I cannot handle the

40:11

things that they're doing. All right, last

40:14

thing, the big fight we have this week. In the main event,

40:16

Jose Ramirez against Rancis

40:18

Barthelomey. Ramirez, of course a

40:20

former unified champion at one forty,

40:23

Barthelmy had a built at one thirty.

40:25

Barthelome On paper looks like a

40:27

bit of a mismatch, but Barthelemy,

40:30

look you look at the box treck. The Gary

40:32

Antoine Russell fight ended by knockout, but he watched

40:35

the fight back and he was tough on Russell for

40:37

a while, and you know, a lot of people thought that knockout

40:40

was questionable, say the least that

40:42

the stoppage was was premature.

40:44

But in his next fight, you know, he might have gotten

40:46

a gift decision. It's omar Warez. So you

40:48

don't really know what you're gonna get with Barthelemy.

40:50

But how do you see kind of this fight shaken out?

40:52

Yeah, it's it's interesting. I think that there's

40:55

a version of Jose

40:57

Ramirez, the one

40:59

that we saw against Maurice Hooker, that

41:02

I think could really do a number

41:04

on the present day version

41:06

of Rancis Barthelemy if that one shows up.

41:09

But then there's a more recent version of

41:11

Jose Ramirez that you

41:14

know hasn't been quite as intense, hasn't

41:16

been quite as dogged in his pressure in

41:18

the ring and reading between the lines.

41:21

Robert Garcia said that with a new contract,

41:23

he used the word he's re energized,

41:26

which, you know, maybe I'm reading into this too much,

41:28

but kind of is confirming

41:30

some of the suspicions I think a lot of observers

41:32

have had about Ramirez over

41:35

the last couple of fights, not

41:37

that he wasn't motivated, but just didn't seem to

41:39

have the same moxie in the ring that we saw

41:41

out of unified champion Jose Ramirez.

41:44

So we'll see if a more intense

41:47

version of Jose Ramirez shows up in this fight.

41:50

Historically, Rancis Barthelmy

41:53

he can just make fights weird

41:55

and tricky sometimes. And

41:58

if there's a if there's a Jose

42:00

Ramirez in the ring on Saturday night that

42:02

is applying pressure at like sixty

42:05

five and seventy percent speed, Rantis

42:07

Barthelemy knows how to make that a

42:10

like hideous seven to five type

42:12

fight with some wacky scorecards.

42:14

We're in to sell it. Corey, he split

42:16

it. That's what he's done throughout his career. Like there's

42:18

a way that that happens, idiots

42:20

seven, It's like, there's a way

42:22

that that happened. There's also a version of this

42:24

fight that could be an absolute banger, and

42:27

that's the one that I'm hoping for. But tell him, he's

42:29

got a history of some tactics too

42:31

that I've seen over the years, swinging his

42:33

head around a little bit. It's got a low blow. That

42:35

Mendez fight ended when a couple of punches after

42:38

the bell. He's had

42:40

like five wins too, at least five

42:42

wins that a lot of people thought

42:45

could have or should have gone the other way.

42:47

Like he is a historically fortunate

42:50

fighter. Yeah, that doesn't mean that he could

42:52

have won all those fights. I'm saying that, like he's

42:54

got the benefit of the doubt each and

42:56

every time. Is there.

42:58

You know, Ramira is the house fighter

43:00

here. We're in Fresno because Amira is gonna sell out

43:03

save mart Center does a big crowd. I

43:06

think there's a lot of

43:08

pressure on Ramirez to get

43:11

some of that mojo back, to get his swagger

43:13

back, because you know, look,

43:15

the facts are the facts. He's had multiple opportunities

43:19

to fight for a world

43:21

title over the last few years and

43:23

not taken them. Now, his reasons are his reasons,

43:25

and some of them are good. You know, did

43:27

not take the fight against Josees

43:30

paid it because he was getting married. I can understand

43:32

that. You know, your personal life, you

43:34

know, it comes first. But then there

43:36

was the whole deal with Regi's program. We passed on that

43:39

fight because he wasn't

43:41

going to get his minimum with Top

43:43

rank. And then the bigger deal was the

43:45

more recent one where you know, according to

43:47

Top Rank, they offered him two million dollars to

43:49

fight Tafy Molpez. They offered him seven

43:51

hundred and fifty thousand dollars in a comeback fight.

43:54

He would have also had to sign an extension as

43:56

part of that. But that's a lot of

43:58

money to fight for world title,

44:00

you know, and that's a winnable fight.

44:02

Theoretically for Jose A Ramirez.

44:05

So I think that.

44:07

The the the pressure might be

44:09

the wrong word, but like they're the there are questions

44:11

now about Jose Aramrez and what does he want. Like

44:14

Jose is currently the number four

44:16

contender in the WBO for the

44:18

belt owned by Tea Fimo, So theoretically

44:20

he's trying to work his way up the rankings for

44:23

the fight that he passed on

44:25

this past year. So I

44:28

mean, I think that

44:30

there's there's a lot of pressure on Jose to

44:33

not just win this fight convincedly we then get back in the ring

44:35

three months or later and start to get some momentum

44:37

back.

44:38

Yeah, I think that there's maybe the

44:40

feeling amongst some like you know, Ramirez

44:42

is almost like this

44:45

sounds too extreme, but it's almost like he's kind of like the previous

44:47

generation of the contenders at one four,

44:50

like there's there are new guys that have surpassed

44:52

him. And I think that he's only thirty one too. He's only

44:54

thirty one, and and with a performance,

44:57

uh, an exciting performance and

44:59

and and a convincing one on Saturday, I

45:01

think he can erase those doubts. And

45:04

I think that he places himself firmly

45:06

back in that conversation and then we

45:08

see how he navigates that now that he's on this

45:10

side of the street on his own and with a new promoter. But

45:13

you know, ultimately, you know, I

45:15

don't know Jose Ramirez all that well.

45:17

We're gonna have a chance to sit down with him, you know,

45:19

tomorrow. But also like he's always

45:21

been a guy obviously with you

45:24

know, more worldly aspirations. And it

45:26

does make sense when you see when

45:28

you when you put Jose Ramirez

45:30

in that framework where you

45:33

know, like their fights that he's just gonna pass up

45:35

because there are other things that he cares

45:37

about in this world too, and and for

45:39

other fighters they wouldn't have turned those down. Jose

45:42

Amirez like he has other things going on

45:44

too, you know, so like what how is that

45:46

applicable to this?

45:49

I mean just that it's like

45:51

I still fighting, like he is still fighting,

45:53

but that like maybe he's

45:55

not fighting.

45:57

Isn't one hundred percent of his world,

46:00

is what I'm saying, And so you know, yeah, if

46:02

there is a little bit of apathy with taking fights sometimes

46:05

like maybe he just yeah, he's focused on

46:07

other things. I don't know. I

46:09

haven't had a chance to talk to him until tomorrow, and maybe I'll

46:11

get some of those answers I get. If you're gonna fight, though,

46:14

fight, you know, if you're gonna get back

46:16

in the ring, you know, maybe

46:18

look, maybe a year from now, we're both gonna sit here and

46:20

be like, wow, he made the right move. He maybe four.

46:22

Million dollars to fight ta Femo or fight

46:24

whoever maybe fights Ryan Garcia in his

46:26

next fight. I mean, I'm sure that's what a lot of guys at Golden

46:28

Boy are wondering right now. Are they gonna be in

46:30

next in line to fight Ryan? But right now,

46:32

like in terms of the one hundred and forty pounds vision,

46:35

the likeliest next fight for Jose Ramirez is

46:37

probably like Arnold Barbosa, Like they're.

46:39

Both signed with Golden Boy.

46:40

Barboza number one with the WBO, Ramirez,

46:43

I said number four. I

46:45

don't really, I don't quite get the thinking.

46:47

I don't quite get the

46:50

path forward here, because yeah,

46:52

look a bad loss to taf Fimo would be a pretty

46:54

big setback. But if you have a comeback

46:56

fight for seven and fifty grand, like, I

46:59

don't know, I don't know, but to me, I'll.

47:02

Have to again, I'll ask the same questions Fred

47:04

exactly. Yeah, you're very curious. Figure all that

47:06

out as well.

47:07

All right, Corey will be on the mic Saturday

47:09

Live on his own Ramirez Bartholomy

47:12

or Tease against the lorm. I also have a good women's

47:14

title fight Marlinasparza against Gabrielle

47:17

Ellenize, the rematch of a fight from

47:19

last year's check it out Saturday Night live

47:21

on his own.

47:22

Corey always appreciate it man anytime, and I promised,

47:24

even if it's a dreadful seven to five fight, I'll try

47:27

and make it exciting.

47:28

Okay, Sergio will too. And when we

47:30

come back. My conversation with

47:32

Robert Garcia, Robert Garcia

47:34

is here, who I think on Saturday's

47:36

card is training thirty seven of the

47:38

fighters on this card.

47:40

Roberts that about right?

47:42

You know what, we have three guys that I'm

47:44

training, but I'm also we also have a

47:46

I think the first fight Fiegel, who's

47:49

whose school comes with uh from Dallas

47:51

with with Virgio,

47:53

so I'm also gonna help him out.

47:57

We're gonna be basically you don't want. A few

47:59

years back, uh, we had

48:01

a Top Right had a card at the Top Hub where

48:04

Nonito Donaire was the coming event and Brandon

48:06

Rio's fight out Verado. On

48:09

that card there was nine fights total

48:11

and eight fights were my fight, so we

48:13

had the whole hundred card. We had Nano and

48:15

a bunch of guys on that car. So yeah, that was probably the

48:17

busiest I've ever been.

48:19

Is it a good thing to have that

48:21

many guys you prefer to have one guy

48:24

and just focus on him.

48:26

At this magnitude of the fight, where jose

48:29

A Meirez and Virgil both big

48:31

names, big stars, they need

48:33

to have their own cards. This was a great

48:35

opportunity for Virgio to come back

48:37

right after his one round

48:39

knock cart in January.

48:42

If we didn't do this, he probably wouldn't fight to August

48:45

thirty. If you know, that offer,

48:47

you know, was already there. So this

48:49

was perfect for Virgio to come back, especially

48:52

after just getting lesson around. Uh.

48:54

We'll get a few rounds here and uh

48:57

and that'll, you know, give him a little more. I need,

48:59

I need to be active. So that's why we

49:01

we decided to put him on this card. Rig Morigan

49:04

was able to pull it up with Golden Boy, and that's

49:06

the reason we're here. You know. Then Oscar Dart that caused

49:08

me, I want to come join your team. I said, you

49:10

know what, We're gonna need him for sparring,

49:12

and he's also gonna help us with Jovanni

49:15

something and a bunch of guys that we have. So

49:17

it's it's it turned up perfect and all

49:19

three in the you know, there's gonna be the last three fights

49:22

on me. So you know, I'm already

49:25

preparing everything, the timing. I'm gonna hand

49:27

wrap the hands and everything, so you know, just

49:30

it's gonna be part of the job, you know, part of the world.

49:32

It's gonna change a lot of T shirts during the course of that

49:34

different T shirts every single fight. I

49:36

want to ask you about your three guys at the top of

49:38

the bill. But the boxing world is still kind of buzzing over

49:41

the Ryan Garcia Devin Haney fight.

49:44

As we're Monday morning quarterbacking it. We're

49:46

looking back and wondering should

49:48

Devin Haney have done anything different at the way

49:51

and should he have walked

49:53

away from the fight? Should he have hit

49:55

Ryan Garcia with a rehydration

49:57

limit. It's easy to sit here and

50:00

do it now, But if you were in

50:02

Devn's corner for that fight, and

50:05

Ryan misses weight by three point two pounds,

50:07

what would your recommendation have been.

50:10

I would have at least put up a rehydration

50:12

claus because see the magnitude

50:15

of the fight, you know, to say I'm not fighting,

50:17

which he had all the right to do it, even

50:20

myself as the trainer. The

50:23

fighter already went through training camp. He already

50:25

went through two or three months of hard

50:27

work. It's hard to say we're walking

50:29

away because it's just a big

50:31

fight, big payday. Everything's already

50:33

done, the promotion, so the

50:36

undercart's already there. So it's hard

50:38

to say, no, I'm not going to fight.

50:41

So at least the rehydration class

50:43

where you know you can the day

50:45

of the fight or the as you walk into

50:47

the to the arena, you can weigh

50:49

more than X amount of pounds.

50:51

I think that's what they should have done. But I think,

50:54

you know, I think, just like the whole

50:56

boxing world, they were so confident,

50:58

so sure the fires going to be turned

51:01

out easy, that they didn't care.

51:03

You know, I go back and I

51:05

compare it to Lomchenko versus Salilo.

51:07

I think I know personally,

51:10

I know lo Machenko, and I know how

51:12

sure they were of that win and clean

51:14

us no problem. That's gonna be an easy

51:16

fight, easy win, and look at the results.

51:18

I think this the same thing happened with the

51:20

Haini's. I think it's a learning experience

51:23

for them. They should have done something about it.

51:25

Like I said, it's hard to say I'm gonna cancel the fight

51:27

because the fight's already there. It's already

51:29

a big event. You know, it

51:31

would have been really bad if

51:34

they had all the right to do it, but it

51:36

would have been really bad. So at least the rehydrationing

51:38

class.

51:39

How big a difference do you think the weight made

51:41

on fight night?

51:43

Big difference? You know. I know a lot of people are

51:45

already saying, well, Ryan was heavier the

51:47

day of the fight. I mean, Hani was heavier

51:49

the day of the fight. But that

51:52

doesn't you know. I'm

51:54

a trainer, I'm a former fighter. I

51:56

know how hard it is to

51:58

cut weight, and especially

52:00

the last two or three pounds or

52:02

the hardest. Every fighter goes through how to make

52:05

to make that cut weight. And Hanny did

52:07

that and Ryan didn't. So

52:09

there is a big difference.

52:11

Does it. You know, if they

52:13

meet on a level playing field, you think it's a different

52:15

outcome.

52:16

I think it's a fight that heaven could Devin,

52:18

Hanny could win. We

52:21

could get the same results because of Ryan's

52:23

speed and power, and if Hanny

52:26

doesn't do any changes, if he doesn't prepare

52:29

for that, because it seemed like they

52:31

just didn't have a game, like

52:34

he just got hit by those

52:36

left folks over and over. I really

52:38

don't know what went wrong, but if

52:41

he makes those corrections, I think

52:43

for him, you know, I know they've done so great,

52:46

they've done it their way. Him and his dad always

52:48

done it their way, and they've been so successful

52:51

and got away with it for so many years and so

52:53

many fights that they're comfortable doing that,

52:55

and they could continue to that. But I think it's maybe

52:58

time for them to add something

53:00

or somebody to their camp

53:03

where they're gonna bring something new, something

53:05

different. I would recommend that maybe

53:08

join a team, a camp where

53:10

they're gonna get they're not the main guys,

53:12

where they're not the stars, where where nobody's

53:15

there because because of them, where they're there,

53:17

because every the gym is full of great,

53:20

great work, great sparring. That's

53:22

probably what he what I would recommend. You know

53:24

that obviously none of my business, but that's

53:26

what I would recommend. But I think there could be a really

53:29

in a rematch, the result

53:31

could be different, And.

53:32

Ironically that's exactly what happened with Oscar

53:34

Duarte, who lost to Ryan Garcia back

53:36

in December, decides he needs

53:38

another voice and comes to you. What was your

53:40

reaction when you got the phone call from

53:43

Duarte's team about training him.

53:45

You know what, the first thing that came to my mind

53:48

was his style. I've

53:50

done it before. I did it with my Dinna. I've

53:53

done it, you know where where fighters are already

53:55

coming off alas coming to me

53:57

to see if I could give them the

54:00

new just a new life, and

54:02

and and and that's why I took the challenge. I

54:04

also right away one forty one thirty

54:06

five, right away, I took advantage of how

54:09

much sparring I'm gonna get in my gym. You

54:11

know, Raymond Murdataya also needs work when

54:13

he fights, you know, Uh, you

54:15

know Jose obviously, you know, there's

54:17

just so much work we could get in my gym

54:20

with uh, with uh, with so

54:22

I knew I wasn't gonna fail. I knew

54:24

I was going to be busy with Jose and Virgil,

54:27

but I knew he was going to be in the mix with the

54:29

sparring, with everything around around them

54:31

them too, So there were all three were pretty

54:33

much training around the same time. Virgil

54:35

would be sparring in one ring, and then once Virgil's

54:38

done, we go to the next room with Jose and Duarte.

54:40

Same thing, because you know it was pretty

54:42

much they They kind of got the

54:44

same sparing partners throughout throughout camp.

54:47

What what do you think you can add to Duarte

54:50

who was really successful leading up to that

54:52

Garcia fight and then you know, get

54:54

stopped at his moments in that fight. But

54:57

what what have you been trying to add to his game?

54:59

You know what? I can't. I don't

55:01

want to change his style

55:03

because that'd be a big mistake for me.

55:06

I just didn't want him to let go of his

55:08

hands a little more combinations. His shoulders

55:10

are too tight, and I think in this fight, you

55:12

guys will see him putting combinations together

55:15

where he doesn't have to throw every punch

55:17

hard. I even though he's so strong

55:19

that every punch is hard, but

55:21

he doesn't have to try to do it.

55:23

He's gonna He's gonna do combinations, three, four

55:26

or five punch combinations to a point where

55:28

where breaking him down little

55:30

by little and not one punch at a time. That's

55:33

that's what he looks for. He knows he hits

55:35

hard, and he loves to to throw that hard punch,

55:37

but especially against somebody like Jojo, who's very

55:40

fast, pretty slick, could be could

55:42

be a good counterpuncher. We have to throw combinations

55:44

and not one punch at a time, is there.

55:46

I mean you and I talked about this briefly

55:48

before, but against Ryan, one

55:50

thing that was kind of exposed was he

55:53

kind of has to see the target before he throws Punch's

55:55

why Ryan kept moving a lot in that fight.

55:58

Is that kind of what you're talking about is let your hands go.

56:00

Don't worry about being fully positioned

56:02

before you throw these punches.

56:03

Exactly. You know when when when when a fighter hits hard

56:05

and throws and throws one punch at the time, he's landing,

56:07

he's learning, he's throwing, he's going for just that

56:10

one punch to land at a certain place. I'm

56:12

you know, we're trying to throw three four punch

56:14

combinations. It doesn't matter where they land. I

56:17

tell them, if they land in the and the

56:19

elbows, in the hand, and the ribs wherever

56:21

it's gonna hurt, and the ears, and you

56:23

know, wherever, wherever they're in the head,

56:26

wherever those punches land, they're

56:28

gonna hurt it. It's that kind

56:30

of power. So you're gonna throw

56:32

three, four or five punch combinations, not

56:35

aiming at a certain start. You know, I

56:37

even't told him, I don't want you to straight at

56:40

the head at the shoulders, and

56:42

you know they'll land, and you know wherever they land,

56:45

they're gonna be, they're gonna be solid punches.

56:47

So the co main event of the show Saturday is virginalti

56:49

Is. You're back with Virgis.

56:51

You trained him all the way up until his win

56:53

over Vegas Cavloscis and he decided

56:55

to go in a different direction after that. Were

56:57

you disappointed that he

57:00

did that? You know, because you there was a lot of success,

57:02

undefeated record, all knockouts.

57:04

How did you feel when he decided to lead?

57:06

You know what, it's part of boxing. It's happened

57:08

before, it happened. It happens. He's

57:11

not you know, it's not the first time that happened in

57:13

my gym. It happened earlier in his when

57:15

he was with Joe Diaz and came to me. You

57:17

know, Uh, Josetra made as

57:20

well with Freddie Roach and came to me. So

57:22

you know, it's not it's not like it's the first time that happens

57:24

to me. When when a fighter leaves,

57:27

I've had fighters come from other trainers too, you

57:29

know, what I like to do when Joe ordias

57:31

that we we always talk about it with

57:34

him and manage it. Roblez us three Southern

57:36

California trainers. You know, we

57:38

have a good communication where something like that happens,

57:42

a fighter goes to them and or

57:44

vice versa. We talked to each other. We're gonna

57:46

continue doing this. We're gonna need each We're gonna need each

57:48

other for for a reason or

57:50

another sparring or whatever it is. That's

57:53

what we we have to maintain that, that relationship

57:55

and and we keep it like that. I

57:58

was you know, did

58:00

it hurt because Virgil is

58:02

a from

58:05

you know, before he got sick, everything looked like

58:07

he's the future superstar everything. You know,

58:09

it did It did hurt a little, but it's part

58:12

of the sport. It's it's just there's no

58:14

no surprise to that. I was okay well, and we

58:16

still kept a good relationship, you know, even though even

58:18

though they were training with many dollars, you

58:20

know, we were always in communication. I

58:23

I flew to Dallas when when I learned

58:25

about him being sick and what happened

58:27

to him before you know, his last fight.

58:30

I flew to Dallist myself just to go

58:32

visit him, spend time with him and the dad.

58:34

You know, we drove around, went to his house. You

58:36

know, I just want to I want to see how he

58:39

was doing health health wise. He told

58:41

me a lot of things about that he didn't

58:43

never thought he would have to do. Went back to

58:45

school, started getting college classes

58:48

because he thought his career could be over.

58:50

So, you know, just a lot of things that that

58:53

went through his life and

58:55

also us, you know, not having him

58:57

around. You know, it was it did

58:59

hurt a little, but it's like I said it,

59:01

I wasn't mad about it because

59:03

it's part of the sport. It happens

59:06

with with with other fighters. It's happened

59:08

before. You know, it's not the first or last

59:10

time that we're gonna see something like that.

59:11

Do you think he has a handle on these

59:14

health issues? Because it was the rapedi in myalysis

59:16

first, then you know, collapsing

59:18

before the STANDIONI is fire, which he says has nothing

59:20

to do with the rabdough. But it's still one

59:22

health issue after another over the last few years

59:25

that have slowed his career down. Do you

59:27

feel like he has, you guys,

59:29

have a handle on all these issues.

59:31

You know what we we

59:34

we don't see it because I fight also, So I

59:36

think that's what that's that's the difference, uh,

59:39

and and and and and everybody

59:41

in camp that I also fight. I was a

59:44

professional fighter. I've been

59:46

through that. I've I've been through cutting

59:48

weight and have and and getting up

59:50

and waking up you

59:52

know a few seconds later, because

59:54

it's just the way it happened, the way it happens when you're dehydrating

59:57

and you're not drinking water. Boxers go

59:59

through that a lot, you know, it happens to them. So I've

1:00:01

been through that. I think that's what. That's

1:00:03

what what's been helping a lot that

1:00:06

I know when the fighter maybe you

1:00:08

know, we're thinking of one day doing ten

1:00:10

rounds and I don't see the

1:00:13

what I want to see, and we cut

1:00:15

it at six and and

1:00:17

that helps, you know, if it's run, run

1:00:20

a little bit less today because tomorrow you're gonna probably

1:00:22

be hard. I think all that is something

1:00:24

that's really helping him with his career.

1:00:26

I know, Uh, he's a hard working

1:00:29

kid. He trains so hard, you

1:00:31

know, in the gym, to a point where yeah,

1:00:33

you know today you don't have to do that much. He

1:00:35

you know, the last couple of fights that we've been doing

1:00:37

together since he came back, and he's

1:00:40

you know, he's he's been listening. Charles

1:00:42

trem is also a great person in camp

1:00:44

because he's he's he's actually a doctor,

1:00:46

and he knows everything that goes on. We

1:00:49

we communicated with Victory content

1:00:52

we uh, we send him blood

1:00:54

work, and he made a lot of changes when

1:00:56

when he got Virgil's blood work

1:00:59

the first when he first came back to camp

1:01:01

with me, Victor Conte told

1:01:03

us, good thing you guys did that,

1:01:05

you know, send me his bead work, or else he wouldn't

1:01:08

have he wouldn't have made it through camp, you know. So

1:01:10

there's a lot of things before the loss in fight or

1:01:12

this, no, this before his last night he came with me, Yeah,

1:01:15

this is your first fight back first. Yeah, so

1:01:17

we we so Victor contest started

1:01:19

communicating with Charros to where

1:01:22

you know, he sent us over a few

1:01:24

things oxygen tanks and stuff

1:01:26

like that. So we start doing every day.

1:01:29

So all that we added all that, and uh

1:01:31

and and and and we haven't seen any you

1:01:34

know, he's been doing. You know, he was under

1:01:36

under one today obviously

1:01:38

one fifty four is where we want him to get a Tori fight,

1:01:41

and both both both

1:01:43

times right before he steps into

1:01:45

the scale when he's already you

1:01:48

know, already on weight. I

1:01:50

asked him, how do you feel, do you think

1:01:52

two more pounds is something that you could do for the future,

1:01:55

and and clearly tells me, no problem,

1:01:58

I'll do him. He's walking around, he's

1:02:00

not you know, he's thirsty and killed

1:02:03

himself to make weight. But he's talking,

1:02:05

he's you know, so I see that two

1:02:08

pounds he could do plus I asked

1:02:10

him. I asked him, and he says, no

1:02:12

problem, I'll do two more pounds, So I think

1:02:14

one will.

1:02:15

Be So you're preparing for this fight against Thomas

1:02:17

DeLorme, but it is revealed this week

1:02:19

that assuming this fight

1:02:22

goes well, it is Virgil Ortiz

1:02:24

tim Zu on August. The three is part

1:02:26

of a huge card out in Los Angeles,

1:02:28

when like the Saudi's, they move fast, so

1:02:30

you probably don't get the information.

1:02:32

Once you get the information, you got to make a decision on it.

1:02:35

When this was first presented to you as

1:02:37

Virgil's next fight, were you for it?

1:02:40

Were you a little bit uncertain about it?

1:02:42

How did you feel we were always for it as

1:02:44

soon as we heard about it. You know. It's funny

1:02:46

because when I got to the gym in the morning, they

1:02:49

had already called Virgil you know obviously

1:02:52

Rick and yeah, but you know, so

1:02:54

just don't already knew about it the night before

1:02:57

because I know a lot of people in boxing

1:02:59

too, and with it.

1:03:00

They can't keep a secret.

1:03:01

In boxtly call him from New York a Robert, this

1:03:03

was going on, so and so and whatever, whatever, whatever.

1:03:05

I'm like, holy cow, you know that's you know, But

1:03:08

for me when when I came to the gym

1:03:11

and I already brought up to the dad and he's like, I wasn't

1:03:13

supposed to do but you already knew, you know. Uh.

1:03:15

We said, look, let's just get through this fight first.

1:03:18

We'll do it. But just like right

1:03:21

now, let Rick do his job. You know, Rick is going to do

1:03:23

his job. Let's focus on dol because

1:03:25

we still have to fight. We can't skip this

1:03:27

fight and say we're going straight into that one, because I

1:03:29

think we needed this this fight to

1:03:31

get his rhythm back, get a few more rounds and

1:03:33

and and and in a fight, and then

1:03:36

we'll prepare for

1:03:38

for the August two against August

1:03:40

fight against Tim Sue. But yeah, right

1:03:42

away we roll the whole the whole

1:03:45

gym, everybody in the gym. We were up

1:03:47

for the fight, but we just knew we had first

1:03:49

had to get rid of, you know, take this fight

1:03:51

out of the way first.

1:03:52

Tim Zu is a full fledged junior

1:03:55

middleweight, arguably was the top guy

1:03:57

before that loss to Sebastian

1:03:59

Door, which we all know was caused more by the cut in

1:04:01

the head than anything else. Virgil

1:04:03

going into that fight will probably

1:04:06

only have well, I'll have two fights against

1:04:08

guys they're kind of blown up welterweights, whether it was

1:04:10

Frederick Lawson and now Thomas DeLorme. Does

1:04:13

that concern you at all? You know, facing someone

1:04:15

that is a true one fifty

1:04:17

four in the big fight coming up.

1:04:20

It doesn't concern me at all because I

1:04:22

know how how big and

1:04:24

strong Virgil is. I think you know, I've

1:04:27

told I've told the Dad and

1:04:29

Rake and everybody else that I know Virgil

1:04:33

could dominate at one sixty

1:04:36

if we couldn't make one fifty four. You know, like

1:04:38

I told you earlier that this last

1:04:40

couple of fights, by the time before he steps on

1:04:42

the scale, I asked him how do you feel

1:04:44

you know, I know right now is a moment to ask him, because

1:04:46

he has two more pounds to get to fifty

1:04:49

four and he's both times he just told me I

1:04:51

could do it. So I feel comfortable

1:04:53

with that. But if there was a little bit doubt,

1:04:56

I know, even at one sixty, he could dominate.

1:04:58

You could name sixty pounders

1:05:01

and I know he could compete against them, and I

1:05:03

know he could beat them. So I have no problem at

1:05:05

want with before. I know Tim Sue is a great

1:05:08

fighter, great warrior, but it's just

1:05:10

gonna be a canal action

1:05:12

fight, man. I think one of those

1:05:14

fights that steals the show. And

1:05:16

you know, uh, it's hard to

1:05:18

say that because you also have Pitt Boo versus Ay that's

1:05:20

also gonna be full of action. But

1:05:23

that fight right there, Virgio versus Tim Sue

1:05:25

is an unbelievable fight, and that's what Virgil

1:05:27

wants to you know, Virgil knows that

1:05:30

that uh he's had, you know, his

1:05:32

career has been on hold for for those for those

1:05:34

personal uh

1:05:36

sickness that he's had and personal issues.

1:05:39

He he wants to be there. He wants

1:05:41

those fights. I think that's what those fights are gonna make

1:05:43

them better. Those fights are gonna bring the

1:05:46

best out of him. I have no doubt

1:05:48

that he that he dominates that fight, and

1:05:50

he could he could hurt Tim Sue and

1:05:53

and and and even stop him. I really believe

1:05:55

that.

1:05:56

Last thing we'll ask you about is the top of

1:05:58

the card. Ramirez. Uh.

1:05:59

You trained him for a long time, and one of the questions

1:06:02

I have coming into this fight is kind of where

1:06:04

his head's at, because he's had

1:06:06

a lot of time off sporadic

1:06:09

activity since the Josh Taylor

1:06:11

fights. Look, there

1:06:13

are reasons why he turned down some

1:06:16

of these fights, but the facts are he

1:06:18

didn't fight Zepaida for a title at the time,

1:06:20

he didn't fight Pro Gray, and he didn't fight Tefi

1:06:23

Molpez. Obviously, money he got married there,

1:06:25

Obviously circumstances come into play with

1:06:27

all that. But as he begins

1:06:29

kind of this new chapter of his career,

1:06:32

do you see the same fire

1:06:34

that he had early in his career

1:06:36

when he was becoming unified champion. He's

1:06:39

fighting for the undisputed championship against

1:06:41

Josh Taylor. Do you see that same guy?

1:06:43

I think now that he's with that he's

1:06:45

signed with Golden Boy and It's something

1:06:47

new to him and something new, like

1:06:50

like a new chapter in his career. He

1:06:52

is this Kimbell's great. His

1:06:55

body you seem Dwayne. He looks

1:06:57

fresh, he looks healthy, he looks good yesterday

1:07:00

last night. Hose

1:07:03

is a very responsible person. He always

1:07:05

tells me Robert, I'm I'm

1:07:08

very responsible. You don't have to worry about my weight.

1:07:10

I was there with him. I wanted to be with him

1:07:13

when he comes within. Oh he did. Was thirty minutes

1:07:15

in the bike, broke a good sweat and

1:07:17

he was ready on waight and and and and and

1:07:19

they moved the fight to forty two. Not

1:07:22

because we asked for it, it was it

1:07:24

was it was actually we I seen the messages

1:07:26

that were sent to Golden Promotions

1:07:29

where you know, if it's not a title fight, you

1:07:31

know, coming from from the other promoter from

1:07:34

U TGB, if

1:07:36

it's not if it's not a title fight, do

1:07:39

you guys want to move it to one forty two? And

1:07:41

so then I said, well, if they're

1:07:43

asking for why not. It doesn't hurt too if

1:07:45

both fighters want to come in one for the two. It

1:07:47

is not a world terrifight, So I don't have to kill my

1:07:49

fighter to get to fortyse we're done.

1:07:52

One forty were no problem. Instead of doing half an hour, he would

1:07:54

have done forty five to two hours and in the bike and

1:07:56

he was sweating, sweating so much that he

1:07:58

would have made one forty problem. But if

1:08:01

there was no need to white white force them.

1:08:03

So I was there just too to see and he

1:08:06

had no problem. After after the after

1:08:08

he he he finishes his

1:08:10

half an hour workout, we go to his backyard.

1:08:13

He turns on his pool, the waterfalls,

1:08:16

the lights, just chaining there, talking

1:08:18

to everybody around him. He's happy.

1:08:20

He's Before he wouldn't do that,

1:08:22

you know, he would do it on his own. He

1:08:24

didn't want nobody around him. Uh,

1:08:26

this time he's happy. I think it's a

1:08:28

new promotion. You know, he was with top

1:08:31

Bronk for twelve years. Top Rank honestly

1:08:33

been one of the best promoters in the world for

1:08:36

sixty plus years. But in

1:08:39

this case with Jose, I think

1:08:41

I think he needed something new. He

1:08:43

Toprank just got to a point where it was

1:08:46

the same thing for so long

1:08:49

that he needed a change. And Oscar

1:08:52

head Oscar's energy. Oscar

1:08:55

since the beginning of the year, the first thing we hear

1:08:57

is I want to do different. I want

1:08:59

to do things different in boxing. I

1:09:02

want to invite

1:09:04

all the promoters to let's work together,

1:09:06

let's let's and and they've been doing it. They've

1:09:08

been doing it. Oscar's been pushing for it, and

1:09:11

he's been getting fights from different promoters

1:09:13

to to fight, to fight in his cars or

1:09:15

they go to or oscars, fighters go

1:09:17

to their cars. They've been doing what Oscar

1:09:19

has been asking for. So that's

1:09:22

that's something that's motivating. That's

1:09:24

pushing Jose now that he's part

1:09:26

of Golden Boy, to be one

1:09:28

of one of his big biggest stars.

1:09:31

At some point, Ryan Garcia is going

1:09:33

to be looking for another fight end

1:09:35

of the year, something like that. Uh

1:09:37

if Golden Boys says catchweight

1:09:40

fight Jose Ramirez against Ryan Garcia

1:09:42

one, how do you think a fight like

1:09:44

that plays out?

1:09:45

I would love that fight, you know what, I

1:09:47

think? I think Ryan is a great fighter, especially

1:09:50

after his last performance. Man,

1:09:52

he became a superstar. Nobody even mentions

1:09:54

him him not making weight, Nobody

1:09:57

mentions him you know nothing.

1:09:59

It's just that he's a superstar. So it

1:10:01

would be a huge fight for Jose. That

1:10:03

would be the fight that Jose, you

1:10:06

know, him being him, becoming a

1:10:08

unified champion. His win against her

1:10:10

Crew was huge. Then he fights for the end of Tyrant.

1:10:13

He lost. That was a big you

1:10:15

know, uh,

1:10:17

it hurt him back because Jose doesn't

1:10:20

like to lose and he's a winner all the time.

1:10:23

So a fighter against

1:10:25

Ryan would be the biggest thing for him.

1:10:28

He would he would trail like never before,

1:10:30

especially at a catchwaight of forty five forty

1:10:32

four forty five. It would be good because if

1:10:34

you see, he should have he should have been in Walsrood

1:10:36

maybe first time. He's two

1:10:39

years ago. But he's so disciplined and so dedicated

1:10:42

and and and and has has

1:10:44

that that hunger to become champion

1:10:46

again. That he still wants to compete at one forty,

1:10:49

but he could easily fight at forty seven if he wanted

1:10:51

to. He could compete against any of the forty seven

1:10:53

pounders. So a fight with

1:10:55

Ryan at forty five, I would love it. I

1:10:57

would love it. I think I think Jose has a

1:11:00

ale to frustrate Ryan.

1:11:03

Obviously Ryan has that sharp,

1:11:05

fast, powerful left hook. But

1:11:08

you know, I don't think I'll be I don't

1:11:10

think I'll be like Hany. I'll

1:11:13

have a plan.

1:11:13

Gotta keep that right hand up all times.

1:11:15

I'll have a plan. I'll

1:11:18

do things that I would have loved

1:11:20

Haney to do.

1:11:22

Robert, I know you're gonna be busy tomorrow. Man. Thanks for stopping by

1:11:24

a given time.

1:11:25

Thanks for having me.

1:11:25

That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to Corey

1:11:28

Erdman and Robert Garcia for joining the show.

1:11:30

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