The conversation explores the importance of formal education in the law enforcement field, specifically focusing on the role of National University in providing accessible education for working adults. The guests discuss the need for higher education in law enforcement, the benefits of critical thinking and diverse perspectives, and the impact of education on policy-making. They also highlight the challenges and inconsistencies in supporting formal education within police agencies across the country. The conversation focuses on the importance of education for law enforcement professionals and the barriers they face in pursuing higher education. The guests discuss the value of diversity and the need for representation in law enforcement. They also highlight the benefits of education in improving communication skills, reducing complaints and use of force incidents, and enhancing professionalism. National University is presented as a solution that offers accessible, high-quality education tailored to the needs of adult learners in the public safety field.